'Noles News 12.20.11
Today I have an excellent collection of stories for you. 20, in all. As always, I've read each of these and promise not to bring you junk. Not all of these are about Florida State, but I've always maintained that the readers of this site like reading good articles about football, regardless of the team. And perhaps no news is good news for FSU, considering the Mark Stoops drama and the arrests of the last week.
Oh, and did I mention... ANDROID APP for Tomahawk Nation? Yeah.
Avis Commack and Arrington Jenkins are both currently suspended from team activities. Jimbo has handled the rare arrest during his tenure quite well, deferring to the legal process and preserving the rights of the kids.
Also, feel free to talk recruiting in the recruiting open threads (-----> right sidebar).
Draw It Up: Evaluating Alabama's Defense - The Triangle Blog
Brandon Ford is Plan B for Tigers | The Post and Courier, Charleston SC - News, Sports, Entertainment
A reminder that Clemson is likely going to lose its freak of a tight end in Dwayne Allen.
Bloody Monday in Norman | December The turnover in the Oklahoma Sooners football program started in earnest on Dec. 19 with the announcement of a number of transfers from the team.
Cripes! Get back to fundamentals...: Sean Payton: Quarterbacking
Spaziani In-Game Management: Punting In Opponent Territory - BC Interruption
Interesting look. May do something like this with Jimbo, though we do it during the year anyway, usually.
Clock Management Report Card: Spaz's Use Of Timeouts In 2011 - BC Interruption
Football As Films: Bowl Season's Opening Weekend Reviewed - SBNation.com
Since they don't really count but you watch them anyway, let's look at the games of bowl season they way they should be viewed: as long, unscripted movies of varying quality. Today we review the three films from Saturday.
Florida State baseball earns No. 13 preseason ranking – Chopping Block – Seminoles Blog – Orlando Sentinel
The Diamond!
Video: Difficult season ahead - ACC Blog - ESPN
Heather Dinich says there is too much for Maryland and Miami to overcome to be considered contenders in 2012. Duh.
Chomping At Bits: Will Muschamp Discusses Offensive Coordinator Search - Alligator Army
Austin Peay Added to 2012 Schedule | The Key Play
Excellent decision by Tech. They understand how the scheduling game is played.
Ranking the bowls by conference - ACC Blog - ESPN
Finally, the ACC is the No. 3 conference in the land. In bowl tie-ins? I guess, but damn, those behind the ACC must be awful.
Paragraph of the day, red zone playcalling edition | Smart Football
2005 F/+ Rankings Now Available At Football Outsiders - Football Study Hall
Neat!
A Pre-Recruiting Look At Our 2012 Canes: Part 1 - The 7th Floor
This post will cover the skill positions, and is assuming that all the guys that will be leaving for the draft have already declared their intentions, or of course are seniors and have no choice. As far as I am aware, the last holdout was Ojomo, and that was due to his application for a 6th year, which sadly he was denied. So this list is subject to change, albeit it shouldn't be much different aside from the new kids on campus.
This doesn't seem all that realistic to me, but it's not crazy, I guess.
Bowl blog debate: ACC vs. Big East - ACC Blog - ESPN
This really isn't close.
Visesio 'Junior' Salt Commits To Florida Gators - Alligator Army
*A darkhorse candidate for the Jaguars job is Maryland coach Randy Edsall. It may be tough to hire... - Testudo Times
Testudo Times continues to hope and pray that Edsall leaves.
TJ Yeldon Flips: De-Commits from Auburn, Commits to Alabama - Roll 'Bama Roll
Auburn continues to be a mess.
Here's a fun link on Notre Dame girls (work safe): http://100redflags.com/post/10757667996/45-she-went-to-notre-dame
Remember when we laughed at Miami's situation? It got worse, just a day later.
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In memorium, UM Football:

What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Dec 20, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions 6 recs
If only someone could replace the W with a U....
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
If I was a top tier RB I would be running to Norman
Opportunity to play there immediately and be the next AP or Demarco Murray would be pretty influential.
I read that Miami article yesterday…I am shocked at the optimism from their writer…acting like someone can just “replace” Miller…plus, he didn’t read your article over the summer which can predict passing offense quality based on returning WR catches from the year before…I have done 0 research, but if you lose your top 3 receivers at about 75% or higher, it doesn’t look very good (look at NC State this year and FSU in the beginning of 2010).
U fans are very high on Duke
they think he’ll replace Miller right away.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Kid's got miles of talent, but Lamar Miller may go first round.
How can you consider it feasible for a true freshman to replace a 3rd-year player who is going to the NFL? Especially in a skill position, and especially when you will have no returning starters at all skill positions?
They had an excellent offense this year BECAUSE of those playmakers. Not because Jedd Fisch is an offensive genius. If they can manage a top 25 offense next year Fisch deserves a medal.
They are delusional,
but to be fair their o-line should be decent.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
The line will be decent, but losing Washington will be a big blow to it.
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 42 muscles to frown But it takes 0 to stand there with a dumb look on your face
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
So will playing the FSU DL.
Official reader of Tomahawk Nation.
Formerly known as Florida State Jay.
by Jamil Dawson on Dec 20, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
well played
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 20, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I watched the State Championship Game, and he is bigger than that.
I am pretty sure you are exaggerating though. He looked to me to be just north of 190lbs, but I am guessing. I don’t think he will have a problem with being an every down back, but it will be hard as a freshman.
As for being able to replace Miller, he could wear the same number, and play the same position; but he has a way to go before he can be his equal, if he ever could be. He surely doesn’t have the same top end speed, but he is a very good RB.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Stephen Morris has "a cannon for an arm"?? FOH...
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Notre Dame girls

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Dec 20, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
Her teeth maker her look.... uninviting.
Man I hate Notre Dame…..
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Looks like she should
Fixodent and forget it.
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 42 muscles to frown But it takes 0 to stand there with a dumb look on your face
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah.
All you have to do is find one redeeming quality. Shecan have a third eye in the middle of her forehead, as long as it’s a pretty eye.
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 42 muscles to frown But it takes 0 to stand there with a dumb look on your face
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
since when is hooking up with hot chicks
who arn’t the brightest crayon in the box, something that needs to be justified?
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 20, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Never.
As long as she’s not slapass retarded, it’s all good.
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 42 muscles to frown But it takes 0 to stand there with a dumb look on your face
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Retards need love too
and they like the Zoo.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
wow.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 20, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Some more than others.
Retards need love too

Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Rock...
take her to the zoo…..i hear retards like the zoo
by Renegade11 on Dec 20, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec cause you caught the ref.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
She looks like half of the chicks at Notre Dame
And by “half” I mean size. I was up there for the ’93 game and I saw scores of ND women bumping around campus with a bottle of whiskey in one hand and a brat in the other. Oh, BTW, they were all fish-belly white and 200 lbs.
Sure there were a few decent looking ones (and I emphasize ‘decent’). But finding one was comparable to finding a straight guy at a Lady Gaga concert.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
by BossNole on Dec 20, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
She's not ugly. Up here in the Midwest, you take what you can get.
Still, the teeth scare me a bit.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Plus, at their size, they can help you push your car out of the snowbank when you get stuck...
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
shoot, you could put a saddle on them and ride through the storm
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by NorFla_Nole on Dec 20, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Usually it's the other way around...
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
Or cut open their gut with a lightsaber & climb inside to save your own life....
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by DRusso97 on Dec 20, 2011 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
rec…
no rec from the app?
by jasonole59 on Dec 20, 2011 6:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
C'mon man......don't make me go all nerd-status & describe that scene from The Empire Strikes Back where Luke Skywalker gets caught in a snowstorm, and cuts open the belly of the beast he was riding & crawls inside the carcass to save his own life, and...
Awwwww………….crap. Yeah—I like Star Wars.
The originals, not that crap that came out 10 years ago.
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Actually
HAN is the one who cuts the creature open… :)
by Invictus13 on Dec 20, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Crap, if I didn't have to Google the spelling of "Hans Solo" I would have been 1st.
Damn you Invictus, you stole my thunder… :)
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well crap, how is it spelled then?
When I put it into Google a bunch of pictures came up of him, with that spelling under them.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, it's Han. My bad.
But there are a bunch of pictures with Hans above them.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Hans is the German version.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I bet you can find buger (with two dots above the u) on the internet, too, but the correct spelling is booger. Same principle applies.
You are correct.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I will resist the urge to check your theory.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
Sorry about the stealing thunder thing… you can Google the spelling of the creature, though, and be the first with that (it’s tonton, tauntaun, or something like that).
Oops, nope
SolidNole got it first, below.
You were 10:11, he was 10:13, same as me.
So I give it to you, he was 2nd, and I was disqualified for a spelling error.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
And so...
here we are discussing Han Solo, tauntauns and boogers whilst a post of the federal reserve’s true masters is being largely overlooked below. Tsk, tsk, tsk…
Ya, we should move on.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, cool
By the time I Z’d through the comments, his post was already there. I didn’t even look at the time. I guess I can claim the title Emperor of TN Star Wars Geeks.
(Or do I want to claim that?…)
TomTom is the spelling.
What was your roommates name? I most likely played with him...
-The one and only DRusso97
by RollNole5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:54 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think it was Hans Solo that cut the beast open, and shoved Luke inside it, but I am not sure.
The comment was classic though, and I gave it an Rec.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
wampa/cookie monster
me was going to invite you to snow monsters ball, but now No Way!
- Family Guys ‘something something darkside’
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 21, 2011 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
read the replies
to the blog piece- man those Domer girls got real defensive , REAL FAST!
My favorite...
Post: A) I’ve been dating for many years and hope to marry the loveliest, smartest, sexiest, kindest woman I know. She went to Notre Dame.
B) The other 7 chicks I bagged there were pretty awesome too.
C) Hendrix has got potential.
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2 weeks ago 4 Likes F
Reply:
7? That sounds like a respectable number.. for 1 semester. Signed, Most Universities
by newdynastynole on Dec 20, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Using the term "bagged"
Tells me this guy didn’t get laid very much
by Widespread Seminole on Dec 20, 2011 4:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that where you hand bags of money to the women for certain favors?
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
The replies give away just how ugly most of those chicks must be.
You don’t write stuff like that unless you’re trying to justify something that just isn’t true.
by seminoleballer on Dec 20, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Wouldn’t be too excited about the pre season baseball ranking with the pitching we have returning.
SPEAR or get SPEARED!!
by centralflnole on Dec 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Welp
With the release of the SBN android app, it’s offically time to say good bye to my productivity.
Do you like this thing?
I’m not a fan so far. No recing ability, comment trails hard to follow…
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Dec 20, 2011 4:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Haven't even played with it yet
On work PC. Figure it’s like the IPhone one where they’ll improve it significantly over time
I could never really figure out the iPhone one.
What was your roommates name? I most likely played with him...
-The one and only DRusso97
/didn’t like it
What was your roommates name? I most likely played with him...
-The one and only DRusso97
Actually just gave it another try and figured out that I had to add TN and now I like it a lot. Good talk, self.
What was your roommates name? I most likely played with him...
-The one and only DRusso97
Also, seems Ohio State will find out their punishment from the NCAA at 3
Guesses on punishment?
Show cause for Tressell, 12 scholarships docked
by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 AM EST reply actions
Seriously doubt it.
But who knows. I bet it is pretty light.
Knowing is half the battle, the other half is violence.
by onebarrelrum on Dec 20, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Few scholarships, probation, and a STRONGLY-WORDED LETTER
NCAA sanctions have about as much teeth as non-binding UN resolutions.
by jmnpb996 on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Not so sure in this case...
OSU has been less than willing to open the books for the NCAA during it’s investigation.
That lack of cooperation, sense of entitlement, and the NCAA’s desire to look relevant might spell out a need for a few examples.
Next at bat = The Miami Hurricanes.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Nothing will happen to Miami.
The NCAA will probably give them extra scholarships and 2 bowl games for being so cooperative.
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 42 muscles to frown But it takes 0 to stand there with a dumb look on your face
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Sarcasm?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
A little.
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 42 muscles to frown But it takes 0 to stand there with a dumb look on your face
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Last I heard (no link unfortunately)
The death penalty really isn’t off the table at this point. I think this was in an editorial story on Foxsports or something like that, but they were talking about how the NCAA is sick and tired of being made a mockery by bigtime programs and Miami would be a perfect place to unleash their wrath considering the Canes blatant middle finger to the rules in years past… they have history.
Also, it helps handing it down to a team like Miami because although there is still some mystique tied to the name – their self-imposed mediocrity over the past decade or so eases the burden of smashing them. There isn’t any big proceeds that will be lost by crushing them under a boot (unlike teams like USC and Ohio State) who have been NCAA cashcows for years recently.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
But Miami has been soooo cooperative.
You can break all the rules you want as long as your cooperative. At least that’s what I’ve been told.
The “A little” comment was also sarcasm.
It takes 17 muscles to smile and 42 muscles to frown But it takes 0 to stand there with a dumb look on your face
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
We'll see what happens
I mean don’t get me wrong, I don’t know anything about what the NCAA is thinking, they stuff I heard (from that article and others) just makes sense to me.
I think Miami made a mistake not taking the bowl game when they could this year. It won’t have any effect on the NCAA crackdown and they are already hurting for money.
Would have been nice for them just to get to the Wakulla “We Barely Have Enough Clout and Money to Even Have a Bowl, and If You Made It Here You Still Suck” Bowl… They could have at least put the money in an interest bearing savings account and made an extra $250-$300 in the next 4-5 years towards a hotdog stand or something.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
by Nattylite on Dec 20, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
also remember that teh NCAA bought info off fomer players
and recruits, via immunity for talking. I cant recall the NCAA ever giving immunity for info, and then taking it easy on the school they are investigating
RayRayRayRay = Homerism Squared
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Like reporting players for cheating on an online exam?
There was little mercy for cooperation :(
by najabaas on Dec 20, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It has to be worse than USC's punishment. There were more players involved. A coach knew about it and lied about it.
12 scholarships, two year bowl band atleast
BC fans just can't get rid of Spaz
They are not showing up for games (Alumni Stadium sounded like Doak on TV) and they are withholding their donations, yet the administration keeps supporting this guy. He’s a great guy, but he’s a coordinator, not a head coach. BC and Maryland…. what a mess.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
I'm not complaining
2 weaker roadblocks every year to winning the ACC and a BCS title
by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 20, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, really. If you want to be more like the ESS E CEE, 2 elite teams in each division (though 1 side will be elite at a time),1 low end team that rises to mediocre season, and a bunch of patsies
It’s clearly a winning formula. And it really looks like that’s going to be the case going forward in the ACC as well.
Atlantic (SEC West):
FSU & Clemson (ugh) will be your elite programs, and then 4 patsies. TOB and Grobe will alternate 7-5 seasons. Maryland may get relegated to level 2 football if Edsall stays around, and Spaz is doing his best to follow.
Coastal (SEC East):
VT will continue to be top dawg, GT will play 2nd fiddle, UVA will rise to #2 in Coastal until London leaves, UNC could end up being really good in 2-3 years, and Miami will wallow in its own filth for 2-4 more years. It’s really amazing to me that in 2-3 years, UNC and UVa could be at top of Coastal division, and Duke may be able to beat Miami…
Well it's goof for us, yeah, but I remember the "lost decade"
Obviously Bowden is in another class from Spaz, but I can sympathize with seeing your program fall from where it was, and nothing being done about it.
"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted!"
by JaviLouis on Dec 20, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
OMG…they just posted a story about everyone else returning for Miami…and it is more jaw dropping than the last…They lose a reportedly 7 DLineman from their rotation, and the returning players are “very talented”;)…you lose all credibility when you say that your secondary will be the most talented and deep position on the team…if that is the case, please be true, please
Rumor Mill: Vaughn Telemaque.....
may decide to go pro too… Don’t know the validity of it yet but rumors surrounding UM players possibly going pro have been proven to be true more than not lately… Secondary would definitely not be the most talented or deep position if this turns out to be true….
Doctor – “What’s the baby’s 1st name?”
Mama – “Ray”
Doctor – “What’s the baby’s middle name?”
Mama – “Ray”
Doctor – “Seriously?!??”
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Like how Delino Deshields got his name
Doc said to put the kids name on the line “Where” the line maam “De Line O”
And so he was named
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Probably looked something like this.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujfC1wCvVBk
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, UM fan here. *everyone points guns
If you read it correctly it states that there are 6, not 7 DLineman as you imply. Out of those players (Forston, Ojomo, Robinson, Vernon, Smith, and Regis) only 3 I REPEAT 3 were impressive (Robinson, Regis and Vernon). Forston couldn’t live up to the hype and a case of the injury bug, Ojomo would probably be in FSU’s 4th team DTs, and Smith was irrelevant. While the D-Line next year won’t be as impressive, there is still potential here. Hopefully, the lineup will be Chickillo (4*YS, 5* Scout) Grimble (4* YS, 5* Scout) Smith (6’3 320+) and Porter (was a force in the last 2 games accumulating 10 tackles after coming off injury ). They’re a little bit inexperienced, but talented nonetheless. The problem comes in when we have to rotate. 2nd string will be Williams(this guy is weighs less than Sean Spence, but was wanted by a lot of top-tier teams in recruiting) Pierre (was solid in the GT game) King(redshirt), and hopefully Green can put on some weight. After that it’s just ST players. If our current commits stick, Jelani Hamilton may be 2nd string, and Jake O’Donnell may start (Franklin loves this kid TOO MUCH if you ask me).
Seriously....[]_[] guys would be better off *NOT* trying to justify anything & just embraced the lowered expectations and brace for 2012/13/14.
Rather then spewing forth a litany of reason why the Canes “won’t be that bad”, just admit the truth, grit your teeth, pucker your collective buttholes…..and prepare for what’s coming. It’s going to remind you of “Shawshank Redemption”:
You might win 1 here or there, but rest assured….You’re taking it up the tailpipe
They “say” if you relax your muscles & breath slow….it helps.
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I didn't say anything about expectations.
I was pointing out an error one of your colleagues made and simply informing him that while it’s bad, it’s not as bad as you may think. I never mentioned any wins or losses, so why are you bringing up records “You might win 1 here or there, but rest assured….You’re taking it up the tailpipe” when I’m talking about the 2012-2013 Miami Hurricanes D-LINE? Typical. And RollNole5 I’m pretty sure Chickillo and/or D. Smith could start on 1st.
i like chickillo, thought he looked pretty good
but i think he’d be 2nd string at best behind Jenkins and Werner.
As for your D-Line, I think what will be fun to watch is what happens when 1-2 of your starters go down to injury
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by BenDNole on Dec 20, 2011 8:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Comparing a freshman to an all american and the german beast… Thats a bit to ask of Chickillo even though its correct
by fsugrizz on Dec 20, 2011 9:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh.
He put up similar numbers as Jenkins and Werner as a freshman though. Not saying he’s better than them, but he has room for improvement.
You said he could start over them. That's saying you think he's better than them.
by nolesblogger on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Edwards and maybe Carradine too
by nolesblogger on Dec 20, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Edwards hasn't touched the field yet.
But that’s your opinion and you know you’re team better than me.
You are right, he does.
That is how he knows there is no way Chickillo starts at FSU this year. Unless someone, and probably more than one, gets hurt.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take the way Carradine finished the year for sure...
But I can’t take a freshman who hasn’t played in D-1 except Clowney :)
As others have said, Carradine would start over him. And at DT, let’s just say 3rd team is where you should aim for.
What was your roommates name? I most likely played with him...
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by RollNole5 on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Miami doesn't have a single player on defense that could start for FSU.
Might have 3 that would crack the 2-deep.
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That is true.
But who does your defense consist of? That answer is: players who have experience. Miami will be starting at least 3 players on D who have little to no experience (DE,CB, and S if Telemaque leaves).
Fighting hyperbole with hyperbole I see. Well played.
What was your roommates name? I most likely played with him...
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by RollNole5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:58 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ah I see you we’re assuming Jenkins went pro. Nevermind.
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If Jenkins were to go pro....
Carradine and Werner would still be the starters would out a doubt. They have earned it and are beasts to say the least. But Chickillo is a very good young player that has proven himself to be a 5* talent at the position and would definitely be in the 2nd unit rotation if he was at FSU.
Not for long. MEJ/Casher/Fowler will prove to be > Chickillo
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SB Nation app is nice
Still needs lots of work tho
by vickers8 on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM EST via Android app reply actions
App is working
Not used to it yet, but amazing a of yet..btw we are approaching nd…I’m going to get hit with a bunch of good stories soon
by LetsGoNoles on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 AM EST via Android app reply actions
They are trying to get the bugs out.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 20, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
is there any way to check FanPosts on it yet?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Thank God!
The Android app has arrived.
btw, there are more Android users than iphone users!
Championship!
1st comment through the app
what an improvement over the TN mobile site
Championship!
by TLHWG on Dec 20, 2011 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I love this
compared to the mobile site this is alien technology.
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- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
by YouNoleIt on Dec 20, 2011 12:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
More iOS users than android users.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Dec 20, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Not true
Android is killing in the mobile world.
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Apple will likely be relegated to niche status by Google in much the same way Microsoft did in the pc market in the late 80s through the 90s.
Microsoft continues to dominate with around 80% market share in pcs compared to Apple’s 12-15%.
Greatness is consistency and performance over a long period of time - CJF
Apple isn’t in the PC business though. They are all about iPods, iPhones, iPads, and iTunes etc…
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And Android will likely replace them in those markets
There is a reason Apple is launching as many lawsuits vs Android as they can
by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 20, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Doubt it, Apple has always been a niche product. The can charge a premium for an inferior product as far as the inner workings because they have a crazy loyal fan base, slick designs,and intuitive interfaces. It’s never been about the hardware per se.
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by RollNole5 on Dec 21, 2011 12:03 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Oh yea...
android app is rockin man
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by JediNole on Dec 20, 2011 11:25 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Man...Alligator Army really blows compared to TN.
;___;
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Dec 20, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions
Yeah
They have some good authors running it now. Will be interesting to see the progress.
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AA is the only other SB sight I regularly look at
Decent content. prettt active. Good to know what your rivals are up to. esp in down years. I got banned from 7th floor for saying NCAA sanctions will hurt future recruiting lol. but no real loss there as they post Maybe 2 stories a week, and most are bat dung crazy
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 20, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
AA isn't as active as TN
but for only having 2/3 writers I think they do a good job. I also read Track ‘em tigers, but that’s mostly because some of their posters are totally ridiculous.
I’m not saying that Bama is cheating…
But Bama is totally cheating. Why would anyone want to play there.
It’s awesome.
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by onebarrelrum on Dec 20, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for visiting. Feel free to grab one of the brochures on your way out.
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by FlaGators on Dec 20, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 8 recs
Well done sir.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 20, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
I did. It was written in crayon.
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by Marmaduke1 on Dec 20, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah, I figured you might have. We had ones that were printed up by a laser printer, but Urban borrowed the printer to show his family, but took it to Columbus instead. We ran out of what was left of the printed ones last week. I’m pretty sure Charlie took them, though some suspect he substituted them for bread.
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by FlaGators on Dec 20, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
At least Weis didn't eat the crayons on his way out?
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
They were all we could save. We do plan on donating them to Auburn though. They’ve still got books to color.
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by FlaGators on Dec 20, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
No. That was the silly putty.
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I figured Cam stole it before he left.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 20, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Nah. $cam does show up from time-to-time and checks out the “Lost & Found” box at the Reitz.
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The "facts about STD's" brochures......or the business cards for a criminal defense attorney specializing in football player defense?
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Criminal defense attorneys of course. Normally, a business card would suffice, but because our list is very lengthy, we fill a brochure with ease.
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Very nice. I can rec that.
TN is still much better, and I know this even though I have never been to AA.
After all, why would I go there? I don’t have a drinking problem.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 20, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
hey, it is light years better than messing with the mobile site. i'll take what I can get
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
What's up with OU?
What a mess. Makes the problems at Auburn look trivial. Do they really think M Stoops would return there?
Memo to MEJ….you need to talk to some of the players that are bailing out.
Can you eleborate?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
The article titled Bloody Monday in Norman above
talks about some of the issues OU is having recently
by newdynastynole on Dec 20, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
Question about that article
He indicates that Ronnell Lewis is a first rounder. Is that accurate or is it him being a (blantant) homer(ism)?
Accurate.
Quite a few scouts are really high on him.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Strongside or weakside?
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 20, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
Haven't seen him play a ton other than the FSU game
Don’t know much about his cover skills, but my guess would be as a will
Oh, woops :)
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for the articles and not the photos.
Bud,
Why doesn’t the iPhone app show fanshots that you post on the front page? I’ve been meaning to ask for months now. Will that be adjusted in the future?
by FSnowUknow on Dec 20, 2011 12:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not sure, and not sure. I don’t have much say in it, unfortunately.
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I wonder how.the ban warnings work on this new app?
I’m sure I’ll find out soon enough
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by CornNole on Dec 20, 2011 4:15 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I expect you will be able to see them the same way you now see them on your PC. ;)
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
So the media is getting the NCAA's ruling at 2pm, but asking people not to release it to 3?
This should be interesting
by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 20, 2011 12:58 PM EST reply actions
Twitter laughs at such requests.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
the ability to scroll thru new messages without going to the full site makes this app well worth downloading.
by jasonole59 on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Awesome article from Smart Football on the Red Zone play calling.
Also great information on Overtime %, onside kicks and when to take timeouts.
I will never listen to the TV announcers again.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
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Come and see the violence inherent in the system!!!
Heather Dinich sounds like she's blogging on sleeping pills
cute girl, but shes almost slurring her words in that video blog
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Dec 20, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions
Cute?
Maybe if she went to ND.
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
by CashvilleNole on Dec 20, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Cute compared to who/what?
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 20, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Ohio State Only loses 9 scholarships and 1 year post season ban
Merry Christmas to them
9 over 3 years
According to Hurricane killer Charles Robinson, this is despite the main witness in this OSU thing refusing to work with the NCAA.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
I bet USC is pissed about this....
If I’m not mistaken they got hit w/ a total of 5 years probation w/ 3 years of scholarship reduction (3 per year) and 1 year post season ban…
They had a 2 year postseason ban
But tOSU got off waaaaaaaaay to easy
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 20, 2011 3:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OSU should get an extra ban for that Sugar Bowl fiasco last year
But 5 year show cause is a big deal for sweater-vest
by FredGarvin...NoleProstitute on Dec 20, 2011 3:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love it.
Thought Tressel was big weasel in this whole situation.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
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Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
by pasadenanole22 on Dec 20, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I STILL see Tressel as a smaller piece of shiiiite the Urban Meyer
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So how do I view fanposts and fanshots on the sbnation app?
or is this just for front page articles?
by vickers8 on Dec 20, 2011 3:52 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I especially liked the red flags blog on Notre Dame women
I am always up for a good laugh. There was some banter in the piece among a few still defining themselves according to the democrat vs republican Hegelian dichotomy. That does not speak well for universities in general. If you are educated today it most likely had very little to do any university. In fact I went through the FSU business school and I don’t recall one professor, not even one, bothering to point out the federal reserve is not federal but owned by a consortium of private bankers who issue worthless paper money and stash the gold and silver in European vaults.
I wish I had thought of this but I did not, Gerald Celente the trend forecaster who appears on the news sporadically stated that he fails to see how any grown up adult these days still can believe one word emanating from politicians or the media.
As for Notre Dame I can’t imagine attending a university where you would have to spend all four years deprogramming everyone you met and trying to break the spell of the religious cult which had seized upon them.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
Android app is "meh" for tablets
Just quit having sites default to mobile viewing
by Jonathan Loesche on Dec 20, 2011 9:20 PM EST reply actions
RollNole5 do you mean find out more about Notre Dame women or the fed?
With Notre Dame women I have only been on the campus once and that was many many years ago. As for the fed google federal reserve scam, how many ex presidents shot and you should find enough to read for six months to a year.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
Conspiracy unfortunately is an over used cliche many hide behind to mask their unfamiliarity with sometimes complex subjects or dodge a weighty issue they feel uncomfortable discussing. There are very few conspiracies, simply issues you may not yet be aware of.
Some use it to mask their lack of intellectual resolve and some do so due to their personal involvement or own moral weakness as a result of not speaking out on certain issues which cause them pangs of guilt. A case in point might be one who has himself just finished an aspartame laced cola. It is better to call it a conspiracy than to admit such a chemical is indeed a low cost neurotoxin and used in many insect killers than to face the fact that such person may simply be uninformed.
Some however may be directly or indirectly involved in certain conspiracies and seek to stifle debate on such matters. This could range to everything from employees of cellphone companies, sugar substitutes, Monosodium glutamate, GMO modified foods, media enforcers, fluoride manufacturers, nuclear energy companies, politicians, vaccine makers etc.etc. All of these have the ability to cause you unmentionable suffering but may well seem like a conspiracy to the uninformed. It could also apply to football conferences where some entities perceive a certain advantage by simply failing to note obvious interference by referees, preferring to label such thought as a conspiracy.
A conspiracy is not a complicated issue, simply two or more people joining together in an effort to bring about a desired result. The attempt consciously or unconsciously to avoid and repress intellectual debate on some topics is of and itself a conspiracy.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
The comment below was supposed to be a reply to DocHoliday2.
The Color Orange, I am sure had something to do with the reply fail.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
There can be little doubt that the Color Orange, and the NCAA are perpetrating a conspiracy together.
Think about it.
Why are there so many teams in the NCAA that wear The Color Orange?
A better question is: Why are there any teams that would wear that God Awful Color Orange?
Look around your house, how many things do you see that are The Color Orange? Thats right, not many. Would you buy a car, boat, dish washer, laundry machine/dryer, pair of shoes, or anything for that matter, that was The Color Orange? Would you paint your house The Color Orange, or wear any cloths that are The Color Orange? Of course not, but if it is the color of your beloved Football/Basketball team, you would. Are you following where I am going so far?
Then look at the teams that wear The Color Orange, and ask yourself: Are these teams that would partake in a conspiracy? There is: UF, Miami, Clemson, Florida, Auburn, UM, Boise St, Clemson, Virginia, The Gators, Tennessee, Illinois, The Tigers, Texas, the []_[], Oregon St, Utep, The Canes, that team from Hog Town, and many others.
Then there is: Bowling GREEN, you would think their colors would be green right? Well you would be wrong, it’s The Color Orange. Why would a team with green in it’s name, run around wearing The Color Orange? I’ll tell you why, MONEY.
Let us not leave out the most obvious of them all: The Orangemen! They have even named a team “The Orangemen”. How does that name even make any sense? Syracuse, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I can’t wait for you to get on our schedule, so we can stomp you into a big Orange puddle of mangled leftover pieces of Orange Football Players.
The only real question is: Why are The Color Orange, and the NCAA perpetrating this shockingly, unthinkably, horrible conspiracy together? Well I have a theory for that.
I know a guy, that works with a guy, that has a sister, that used to be married to a guy, that worked for this huge company that manufactures paint. He told his wife (when they were married, he denies it now of course), then she told her brother, and he told the guy that I know, that this company made up tens of thousands of gallons of Orange paint on accident. We all know that no company is going to throw away billions of dollars in paint. So they struck a deal with the NCAA, and Complicit University’s. This deal was to use up the mistakingly made Orange paint.
The All Mighty Dollar at work again, it is just so obvious to anyone that opens their eyes.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 21, 2011 10:00 PM EST reply actions
Actually...
all schools in the University of Texas system (Texas, UTSA, UTEP, etc) are required to have the color orange in their color scheme.
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by FSU on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you serious?
I now will believe it to be true, even if you tell me you were just kidding, even if you bring up TCU, even if you make up a fake website claiming to be “The Official Website for the Rulebook of the Universities of Texas.org”.
I only hope you don’t loose your will to expose this, that they don’t get to you the way they did; the ex-husband, of the sister, of that guy, that works with the guy I know.
This Color Orange thing is for real!!!!!!!!!
It Must Be Stopped!!!!!!!!!!!
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 23, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Orange is allowed if it says "FAMU"....
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Where's my damn Twitter button??
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Grrrr....
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Seriously?!?
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OK....
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Come onnnnnn....
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BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ya, I haven't thought my way around that one yet.
But it is a Conspiracy Theory, so I can leave large holes in the thought process. I will just blame it on “The Man”, and an attempted subterfuge to hide what is really going on.
If that doesn’t make any sense, well it doesn’t have to.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 27, 2011 6:13 AM EST up reply actions
Where is MY TWITTER BUTTON?
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 27, 2011 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
Crap, never mind.
I don’t have one.
When ahead never let up. When behind never give up.
It is hard to overestimate how significant the advantage you gain from being underestimated.
by Chief Pit Bull on Dec 27, 2011 6:17 AM EST up reply actions
since Thomas wont be playing do yall
Think that it’ll mean more PT for wilder in the bowl game? Hopefully freeman will get 100 yards by the 3rd Qtr and Wilder will grind out the 4th Quarter
by thornole on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions

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