Noles News 12.22.11
by Bud Elliott on Dec 22, 2011 12:07 PM EST
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PrintBig basketball game tonight down in Gainesville. I know NorCal Nole will have the preview up. Let's see if the 'Noles can pull it out.
Also, I've heard the Greg Hudson to Auburn rumor, but not from a credible source. I think it is completely bogus and would be beyond shocked if that happened.
Shirts With Random Triangles: Terry Bowden Zip-lines into Akron. Wow. Wonder if his North Alabama roster is better than Akron's.
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In Re: Terry Bowden to Akron
“Wow. Wonder if his North Alabama roster is better than Akron’s.”
The bigger question is what will he do without his famed FSU’s “outhouse” pipeline?
King Moonracer leaves the Island of Misfit Toys.
Now where will Santa FSU send the unwanted toys?
Miami???
Pursue some path, however narrow and crooked, in which you can walk with love and reverence.
Henry David Thoreau
by slumgullion on Dec 22, 2011 12:26 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
There's always West Georgia
Daryl Dickey will always be more than happy to take Jimbo’s cast-offs.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Dec 22, 2011 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only SEC team I ever disliked was UF
but Auburn is exponentially rocketing up my list
by MarchantWarchant on Dec 22, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Really? Only UF? I mean, I understand why UF, but there is just so much to hate about Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, and Alabama.
The only above-average team that has never bothered me is LSU. Don’t know why, but just never had an issue with anything LSU.
As for the rest, they’re just chumps, so yeah … no worries.
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I actually like Georgia and Alabama...
under “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” premise.
Come live in Georgia and see how fast that changes.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 22, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
After Bama made Tebow cry
They quickly have become my #2 favorite team.
by dominicannole on Dec 22, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This^
I was hoping Brady would do it Sunday, but din’t see the prodigal son’s precipitation.
by FullTimeNole on Dec 22, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Truth!
Some of the worst fans ive encountered.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Dec 22, 2011 10:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dislike ’Bama because of their fans. The actual team has never bothered me, or done anything for me to dislike them. But their fans must have a combined IQ of a piece of plywood.
Try explaining to them what a recovered fumble is, and it makes you want to smash the computer.
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by FlaGators on Dec 22, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec for this part:
“Try explaining to them what a recovered fumble is, and it makes you want to smash the computer.”
That is freaking hilarious.
I’m still baffled at their lack of understanding on the subject. It appeared to be only the SB Nation crop of ‘Bama fans that couldn’t quite figure it out. It was and still is, amazing.
Editor at Alligator Army.
Basically, it’s this play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo5x1TPp2VU&feature=related
Now, nobody is debating on whether or not he fumbled it (he did) but whether or not Brantley regained control of the ball on the ground.
Best angles are at the 1:20 mark, the 1:34 mark, and from 1:40 on. You can clearly see, that he is using his right arm (and chest) to cover up the ball. ’Bama fans however, would tell you he is never on top of the ball, nor is his arm even near the play and that the ball is rolling around the entire time.
But it’s pretty simple. Recovered fumble or not? I say yes, easy.
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I say no
Just to frustrate you and see where you with this from here :)
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
But I do know that you’re a smart guy and that deep down, in places you don’t like to talk about at parties, you know it was a recovered fumble.
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Oh, that play
Yeah. I thought Nat Moore went to Florida?
Reminds of the Manual fumble at the goal line. God Bless Casey Weldon for putting up with Nat on that one ;-)
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
I'm definitely leaning toward recovery
I can see where there’s room for dispute though if viewed through Crimson lenses.
by BobLoblaw113 on Dec 23, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
You hate Alabama because of their fans.....
AND YOU ARE A GATOR FAN?!?!?!?!?!? THE SINGLE MOST ANNOYING FANBASE IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS!!!!! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING???
by Todd F Packer on Dec 22, 2011 2:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I’m thinking that I wouldn’t trade liking the Gators for any other team in college sports.
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Be True To Your School!
I knew The Beach Boys did something right.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
I’m still trying to find Kokomo off the Keys though. Not the place in Indiana, Arkansas, Hawaii or wherever, but I want the damn one in the Keys.
Editor at Alligator Army.
This is serious
It’s in all caps.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I hate pretty much all of them
But UF, USCe, and Tennessee are definitely the worst.
by BobLoblaw113 on Dec 23, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Also from the link about Terry Bowden:
I had to go back and read this part twice:
“Bowden, who was one of the most charismatic coaches in college football at Auburn, may be helped in attracting recruits to Akron by his legendary father, Bobby Bowden. His brother Jeff is a top assistant at North Alabama and could come with him to Akron.”
That is so absurd it made me laugh out loud.
Jeff Bowden’s career is pretty amazing – that’s amazing in a bad way. Walked on at FSU – where his dad coached. 27 year coaching career and all but three of those years he’s had either one of his brothers or his father as his boss. How does he not even try to leave the nest?
That aside, I think this is a pretty good hire for Akron. Whatever is to be said about Terry Bowden, the fact is he’s won at every stop in his career and he has proven experience as a head coach. He should energize a pretty demoralized fanbase in Akron and, at a minimum, he’ll guarantee more media coverage for Akron than they likely ever received under Rob Ianello or JD Brookhart.
whats the deal
with tradition of the ucla players jumping the fence and leaving practicing?
Practice for their trips to Tijuana
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by BenDNole on Dec 22, 2011 12:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Ridiculous.
Unfortunately, it is may be a microcosm of a bigger culture problem in this state.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
by pasadenanole22 on Dec 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Unreal
This idea of missing practice. I had been away from the game for awhile as a player when I started helping coach high school a few years back. And I was shocked to see kids just not come to practice. Then, I was amazed, candidly, when they ran a little bit and were still on the team and played on Friday nights.
That didn’t happen when and where I grew up. And it damn sure didn’t happen when I was in college. Our Monday practice was always at night, so that players could schdule their labs that afternoon. It’s when you HAD to have them.
I’ve read snippets where players at UF were missing practice this year and it pissed Muschamp off, to the point he made some comments about it and the former coaching staff.
Sometimes you have to be willing to lose some games to win bigger, later down the road. And letting players hold you hostage just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
We ain’t not gonna practice
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 22, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Backside tag routes article was pretty neat
Does Jimbo use symmetrical routes, or does he use the concepts mentioned in the article?
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by BenDNole on Dec 22, 2011 12:33 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Huh, Huh.
Backside tags.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 22, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Oligatory Diet Coke spit take..
by Widespread Seminole on Dec 23, 2011 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Auburn
Are they being so annoying lately for payback due to us making fun of them for so long when they were too scared to play us?
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
They’re too scared to play anyone. In 2001 (for the 2002 schedule and beyond), when the SEC ruled that two permanent rivals were too much, they were given a choice to play either Florida or Georgia as their permanent SEC East rival. They chose Georgia, and we in turn, remained with LSU.
Auburn, without question, has the worst inferiority complex of any FBS school.
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13 > 2 will do that to you.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 22, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I agree with Auburn in that there are quite a few National Championships that Alabama won that are pretty much BS.
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If you want to get technical, 50% of Auburn's were BS too.
But at least Cam’s daddy was barred from going to the game.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Yeah, but it’s Auburn. Nobody really cares. Well, except for tree poisoners.
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You got that right.
I actually feel like last year’s championship game simply didn’t happen.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
It took me about 10 minutes yesterday to even remember who Auburn played. Granted I had been driving for 14 hours (of an 18 hour drive), with a parrot on my shoulder (amazingly, he didn’t poop on me or in the car, when not in his cage) and my lady friend sleeping on my right arm which caused it to fall asleep when she promised me she’d stay awake!
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I still don't remember.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Are you a pirate?
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by Marmaduke1 on Dec 22, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Butt Pirate.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Appreciate the set up.
And, yes, I do have a 5th grade sense of humor.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 22, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
Me too!
Goes well with my education level.
Thus your job as an ACC ref.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 22, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Auburn and everybody not in crimson.
There are a decent number of Bama fans who actually think they were cheated out of more.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 22, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Mostly rumors, but never anything legit or substantial. I never really thought they would, I always thought they’d just add a team (whoever was the 14th team) to the East. Which is by far, the easier way to go.
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Glad to see you back on here, btw.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
"Auburn, without question, has the worst inferiority complex of any FBS school."
That’s saying a lot with teams like Boise State out there.
But I think I agree with this assessment.
They seem to be pretty shady in everything they do. I’m sure a lot of it was Bammer propaganda being funneled out into the open, but when Cam’$ pay for play drama was being hung out in the open, there was a lot of info being leaked about a blatant booster payments for years.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Yeah, but nobody can get their boosters to pay like SMU and UF in the mid-80’s. We was rolling!
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There are a lot of reasons to call Auburn cowards
There are a lot of reasons to call them the War Chickens BUT choosing UGa over UF isn’t one of them. That’s the oldest football rivalry in the south, at least, according to the parties involved. That one was a no-brainer, wasn’t it?
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
They first played in the early 1890’s, but have only been annual opponents since WWII.
Auburn and UF had been annual opponents since 1912. Though we did have a 10 year break in the 20’s.
I mean, don’t get me wrong, if I was Auburn, I’d have picked Georgia as well, but it doesn’t mean I can’t talk smack about it either. Much like the choice we made between continuing the FSU or Miami series. We chose FSU, and everybody slams us. So I feel like I can do the same in that regard.
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Fair enough
Seems to me, you got the chance to either play the only big time school in one state OR little brother in another.
You got the chance every other year to go to New Orleans and stay (if so inclined) for the weekend OR you could go stay in Opelika (or if a “Big Spender” you could stay in Columbus).
For us, Auburn sent us a fax and a nice fat check to buy out of the 1999 beat down we were going to put on them. Lucky for us, we got La Tech to replace them. As it turned out, La Tech helped our strength of schedule that year, as they would go on to beat the SEC Champions from the state of Alabama, the Crimson Tide.
The timing of dropping Miami is one of the reasons you get slammed, seems to me. When you add to it, that UF forced Miami to play in Gainesville in 82 and 83 and then at the neutral site of Tampa for the 84 and yet, still dropped them…..well..you can see how that looks.
You know what they say. “All dirt roads lead to Auburn.”
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
"All dirt roads lead to Auburn."
Either there or Clemson, but definitely one of the two.
There are perfect, natural opponents
I just don’t know where they would park all those tractors.
One of my favorite bumber stickers is
“Furman, A Rose between Two Thorns.”
LOL
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
That game in Tampa was also the first ever live on TV ESPN college football game. But yeah, it probably was bad timing, but we had to choose. Personally, I feel like the correct decision was made. Granted, I was born in 1984, so I don’t know another way, but I like playing y’all. I’d be so pissed if we couldn’t anymore.
But our rivalry with Miami is always a win for us, no matter what, because of the Florida Flop in 1971.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Uzu-wPFmc
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Ouch
You call that a win? See, I think that’s one of the lowest points of UF football history (and that’s saying something!)
My mother kept a clipping from the Florida Flop all these many years and we didn’t have a dog in the fight.
As to that game being the first live on ESPN, not so. ESPN did both the 1980 FSU/LSU and FSU/Pitt games for example. I happen to have both DVDs sitting on my desk and am looking at them as I type.
It's what we learn after we know it all that counts. John Wooden
I think it’s freaking hilarious. Especially the jump in the pond after the game.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Canoe_Trophy
1984 game in Tampa was the first. Those games before that, were simulcasted or something like that.
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Didn't the governor actually make you choose us?
by nolesblogger on Dec 22, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
we slam uf
Because they are vaginas!! If they had a pair they would be taking teams like FURMAN off their schedule and replacing them with the U…don’t get me wrong, Miami is getting worse and worse as a football team but this is the state Of Florida and Fsu plays miami and Uf every year…yes we are state champs for the second straight year but it would mean a little more if UF Played UM every year…Fsu is playing USF, UM, and UF next year..which will be our 3rd straight state champs year…not to mention our first National Championship title since 99…2012 is almost here and I Can’t wait!!
by thornole on Dec 24, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh like I said, if I was them, I would have kept Georgia, but that doesn’t prevent me from talking smack about it.
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IDK about that.
A&M is pretty bad as well.
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
LOL, just because you ARE inferior as a program. Doesnt mean you can’t have a complex. Try being in a state where there’s a “Longhorn network” … A&M literally left the conference because of inferior complex (warranted).
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
Haha
That’s what makes it so humorous. I don’t even know that it’s a complex if you are genuinely that inferior as a program. Plus, I’ve heard the Perry/BOT/AD situation is a nightmare that scared off several canidates, AND their AD is low on funds. Something like 13th or 12th lowest HC and assistants salaries in the SEC, IIRC
Backside Tag article was a great read.
And the coach he is referring to in the begining is John Mackovic, and the #1 Draft pick he mentions is Jeff George.
if you guys liked that tag article
you should check out the norm chow BYU article linked at the bottom of that article. awesome read. Love the air raid.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
by YouNoleIt on Dec 22, 2011 6:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Jeff Bowden forever ruined my perception of the air raid
Knowing what he did to us, and knowing that he was executing the air raid by the book just ruined it for me. Never again.
I now see the air raid as the football equivalent of those late night no-money-down real estate scams. Despite the promises of endless winning, the actual methods are inherently suspect and far more programs end up ruined than reaching the promised land because of it.
I’m at the point where I’m more receptive to even the triple option than ever trying the air raid again.
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-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Dec 22, 2011 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry .....
but I don’t think Jeffy could figure out a paint by numbers book; let alone follow an air raid manual. I am not buying it. That guy could f up a game of tic-tac-toe. The Air raid is awesome if you have the personnel for it. But I understand how bad experiences cam ruin things for you. Jeff took away so many years off my life I’ll never get back.
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
by YouNoleIt on Dec 25, 2011 2:09 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Jim Mora is absolutely correct.
Explains why they are a “middle-of-the-road” college football program in the middle of a recruiting hot bed and a beautiful campus.
Can’t wait to see what he says about driving a60 to 90 minutes across town on the freeway to play “Home games” in Pasadena.
Jim Mora should talk to Al Golden about that.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
But, UCLA is in an international city.
Jim Mora should talk to Al Golden about that.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Never bothered USC, a private school, with just as much diversity.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
by pasadenanole22 on Dec 22, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Team Chemistry
If there’s one thing Tech knows, it’s how to gel as a team. The kicker was obviously looking to substantially increase his street cred. This experience will form a life-long bond with his new friends.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Dec 22, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Another comment on the great article by Smart Football.
It makes me want to re-evaluate EJ Manuel’s performance this year.
"You can’t live a perfect day until you do something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
— John Wooden
Jimbo Fisher is now 4-0 against UF and UM.
Terry Bowden
Am I correct in remembering that what led to his downfall at AU was him butting heads with the boosters? If I remember correctly he did a pretty good job over there and was very well thought of when he left. With all that is known about AU’s booster community and Bobby Lowder dominated culture, Terry looks even better now.
Bud, any news on where De'Joshua Johnson comitted yesterday?
I heard California, Oregon, and Miami were trying to get him.
Not Bud
But he was in the paper for being arrested for failure to appear.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
He committed a crime
No word on which institution he will attend.
/Poorplayonwords…
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 22, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Committed to PB Co jail, I believe.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 22, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
What? That's terrible. DJJ and Demary Dorsey
USF is about to get some bad ass players in…well…2-3 years
He chose them over Miami
because they play their home games on campus.
by Nolegrad89 on Dec 22, 2011 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to believe
given what we saw from him this year. At no point in his four year career have I looked at Zebrie and thought he was a 1st round pick. The guy has above average skill set for an OL but has never really put it all together. Me thinks after teams put the tape on from this year and really break him down he ends up a 2nd or 3rd pick based mostly off physical ability.
Big size and got several bad calls this year
I’m interested in seeing him at the combine.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 22, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hilarious!!
Almost as funny as your game against Clemson.
Like I care about grammar rules.
or any other rules.
by ACC Referee on Dec 22, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Excellent point.
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by Jamil Dawson on Dec 22, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like his kick slide
I don’t see it, personally, not a first rounder.
I hope I’m wrong, for his sake and FSU’s too, for that matter.
He’s played a lot of football for us though and I’m very thankful for his efforts for those four years and helping us go 4-0 against UF and Miami the last two years! That will win you a lot of brownie points at my house.
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The one false start per game always gets me with Z
Seminole Game Day -- "All the trash talkin' stops, when the spear drops."
Which shows a lack of focus, which is the direct result of poor coaching. Which provides one more reason why Trickett should be fired IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!
And Jimbo should hire a “real” OC.
#sarcasm
Interesting
You see, I think the poor kick slide helps contribute to him moving early, trying to get the jump on defenders.
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I'm skeptical of McShay's evaluations.
Give me Wes Bunting any day.
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"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man."
by pasadenanole22 on Dec 22, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
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