Champs Sports Bowl Preview: Notre Dame v. FSU
by Bud Elliott on Dec 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST
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PrintThe Notre Dame Fighting Irish square off against the Florida State Seminoles in the Champs Sports Bowl, Thursday night at 5:30 p.m. The game will be broadcast on ESPN.
Forecast: 50s to 60s, not raining.
Here's a look at the 1993 game between FSU and Notre Dame by our friend Kleph.
Kelly had his Irish team very well prepared to play in the Sun Bowl last season, I think. But I'll admit it was tough to separate the Irish's good play from the horrible play of the coachless Miami Hurricanes.
Notre Dame's Offense v. Florida State's Defense
Notre Dame Offense: 22nd | FSU Defense: 8th
This is a tale of two units that got steadily better as the season wore on. And I'll point out that these are adjusted for opponent. That means the "Notre Dame poor competition" argument is out the window. Those numbers account for this.
Notre Dame's offense has been better than Wake Forest, Boston College, Maryland, N.C. State, Virginia, Duke and Florida. But it has not been as good as Miami, Clemson or Oklahoma.
What do the Irish do on offense? Chis Brown of Smart Football breaks it down for us here. This offense will stress FSU's defense vertically. But I'm not sure if Notre Dame can pass protect against FSU's fearsome defensive line long enough to throw some of these deep routes like they want to. That likely means the Irish will have to throw a lot of anticipation routes. The ball is in the air a lot on deep anticipation routes, and that means the defensive backs will need to play the ball when it is in the air.
Our friend Eric from One Foot Down wrote me to say that was not correct with the new quarterback:
Nearly all of the passes will be ~15 yards or less from the LOS, and if a ball is thrown further it's almost a lock to be to Floyd down the sideline, or to Eifert in the seam. You can expect MAYBE 3 of those passes max.
Rees doesn't have the arm to drive the ball down the field, and we almost never attack the deep middle. In the rare instance that we have, it would be to Floyd, but honestly we're talking like 5 throws in that area over an entire season.
I would expect almost exclusively screens, slants, crossing routes and quick outs when Rees is in there. Hendrix has a cannon but I doubt he'll throw deep much either
| Notre Dame Offense |
| WR 7 TJ Jones 5-11 187 So./2 |
| WR 9 Robby Toma 5-9 185 Jr./2 |
| LT 70 Zack Martin 6-4 303 Jr./2 |
| LG 66 Chris Watt 6-3 310 Jr./2 |
| C 57 Mike Golic Jr. 6-3 295 Sr./3 |
| RG 78 Trevor Robinson 6-5 311 Sr./4 |
| RT 75 Taylor Dever 6-5 301 Gr./4 |
| TE 80 Tyler Eifert 6-6 249 Jr./2 |
| WR 3 Michael Floyd 6-3 224 Sr./4 |
| QB 11 Tommy Rees 6-2 215 So./2 |
| RB 20 Cierre Wood 6-0 215 Jr./2 |
| 6 Theo Riddick 5-11 198 Jr./3 |
Despite all that, Notre Dame actually can run the football very well. They just don't do it a whole lot, and don't do it all that conventionally, as they base mostly from the shotgun. Cierre Wood has 1000 yards. FSU will need to shut down the run game and make Notre Dame all pass, as opposed to majority pass.
The Irish like to get teams into a nickel defense look before running with the big back. FSU actually stops the run pretty well out of nickel personnel, because it has Mike Harris -- a sure tackling nickelback.
I think FSU can limit the run. I don't think they'll shut it down entirely.
Then it gets to the passing side, which is what Notre Dame really wants to do.
Notre Dame has one of the best receivers in the country in Michael Floyd. And the Irish will likely try to get Floyd singled up on Greg Reid because Floyd is very physical and can jump. That's a big, big advantage for the Irish. If Lamarcus Joyner can pop Floyd early and ring his bell or get him off his game, it would really help the 'Noles.
The other Irish receivers are decent, but they are nothing close to the star that is Floyd. I am very intrigued by the matchup of Floyd v. Xavier Rhodes, who is a very good corner when healthy.
Aside from Floyd, the next biggest threat in the passing game is undoubtedly tight end Tyler Eifert. At 6'6" and 249 pounds, Eifert is a tough matchup because he has decent athleticism in a large body. FSU does have the ability to body Eifert with Christian Jones (6'4" 240 and looong).
Look for FSU to plan to take away Notre Dame's main weapons and force the Irish to use its 2-4 receivers.
| FSU Defense |
| LE 95 Bjoern Werner 6-4 273 So. Berlin, Germany |
| 91 Cornellius Carradine 6-5 267 Jr. Cincinnati, Ohio |
| DT 93 Everett Dawkins 6-2 295 Jr. Spartanburg, S.C. |
| 98 Cameron Erving 6-5 305 r-Fr. Moultrie, Ga. |
| NG 92 Anthony McCloud 6-2 311 Jr. Thomasville, Ga. |
| 8 Timmy Jernigan 6-3 297 Fr. Lake City, Fla. |
| RE 49 Brandon Jenkins 6-3 265 Jr. Tallahassee, Fla. |
| 58 Dan Hicks 6-4 275 So. Oxford, Miss. |
| SLB 7 Christian Jones 6-4 240 So. Winter Park, Fla. |
| 28 Nigel Terrell 6-2 230 r-Fr. Helena, Ala. |
| MLB 11 Vince Williams 6-1 245 Jr. Davenport, Fla. |
| or 22 Telvin Smith 6-3 216 So. Valdosta, Ga. |
| WLB 13 Nigel Bradham 6-3 240 Sr. Crawfordville, Fla. |
| 48 Jeff Luc 6-0 245 So. Port St. Lucie, Fla. |
| BC 27 Xavier Rhodes 6-2 211 So. Miami, Fla. |
| 1 Mike Harris 5-11 195 Sr. Miami, Fla. |
| FS 20 Lamarcus Joyner 5-8 204 So. Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. |
| 31 Terrence Brooks 5-11 193 So. Dunnellon, Fla. |
| SS 4 Terrance Parks 6-2 215 Sr. Fairburn, Ga. |
| or 10 Nick Moody 6-2 224 Jr. Wyncote, Pa. |
| FC 5 Greg Reid 5-8 186 Jr. Valdosta, Ga. |
Oh, and Notre Dame also has another element to its offense: QB Andrew Hendrix. Hendrix is a very good runner who many Notre Dame fans wanted to start the bowl game. He won't start, but you can bet he will play. FSU has not had a lot of struggles this season with mobile quarterbacks, and if the 'Noles play sound, Hendrix should not present a problem. Of course, if the 'Noles are undisciplined, which hasn't been the case this year, Hendrix could do some damage.
And of course, the match between what is a very good Notre Dame offensive line and an excellent Florida State defensive line.
I should also note that no team has really shut down the Irish this year without getting a lot of turnovers. If the Irish offense doesn't turn it over, it is pretty good. So yes, a certain amount of luck is needed in shutting them down.
Defensive Goals:
- Hold ND to no more than 4.8 yards/play before garbage time. Examples: 60-288 65-312 70-336 75-360
- Force two turnovers
- Less than 50% TDs allowed in the red zone
- No more than four big plays (pass plays of 25+, runs of 15+)
Notre Dame Defense v. Florida State Offense
Notre Dame Defensive Rank: 17th | FSU Offensive Rank 34th
Do I think there are only 34 better offenses than Florida State's right now? No. I believe there are probably 45 better. But this is a measure of how the offense has performed over the entire season, adjusted for opponent quality.
FSU's offense could never get healthy, and now even more injuries have lead to starting four true freshmen on the offensive line (LG Matias, C Barron RG Jackson RT Hart). That's a very talented, but very young group.
Will EJ Manuel be right? He was awful in the mental game for much of the year, and is still dealing with the shoulder injury. He's probably the wildcard in this one. I expect the offensive line to get dominated, as its a group comprised almost solely of freshmen backups. But EJ is at the end of his fourth year. He's been almost as big of a problem as the offensive line, and for FSU to have a chance, he'll need to stop making so many mental mistakes. And he cannot hold the ball for six seconds and have atrocious pocket presence.
This is a very good Notre Dame defense. I've laughed all week at those who have no clue about it. They are huge and well coached. The defensive line can be undisciplined at times, and the secondary is decent but not great. But the linebacking corps is very good and they totally shut down the run.
"The Irish will get Stephon Tuitt back after he missed the final two games due to an illness. Also keep an eye on DE Aaron Lynch, who is originally from Florida, and has caused havoc all season for opposing QBs, and Butkus Award finalist LB Manti Te'o, who has already decided to return to ND for his senior season."
Oh, and Notre Dame runs a 3-4, which could totally confuse the green line.
If FSU can get at least 5 yards/play, with 1 or fewer turnovers, score TDs in the RZ at least 50% of the time, and have less than 5 operational penalties, I bet FSU would take it.
Final Thoughts
- Notre Dame's defense should have its way with the FSU offense. The two best defenses FSU faced this year were Oklahoma (11th) and UF (16th). Notre Dame is 17th.
- FSU's defense is much better than anything Notre Dame has seen in a game this season.
- FSU has the better special teams.
How do the 'Noles win? By forcing turnovers, making field goals, and playing field position. I don't expect FSU to win, but I don't expect them to lose either. These are two talented teams who haven't had many breaks this year (Notre Dame with bounces, FSU with injuries).
Chance of winning: 50%. Score guess: FSU 16, Notre Dame 14
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Things ill be watching for
FSU o line
DB match up on Floyd
Our RBs finding non-existent holes
ND secondary
by origiNOLEone on Dec 28, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Excellent write up!
My thoughts on the game exactly. I see ND with a win if the Noles don’t step it up.
Thanks Bud.
Sad to think I won’t be reading another one of these for nine months! Hopefully we can end this year on a good note. We definitely need another defensive effort like the UF game. I hope CJF has them ready to play like last year’s bowl…
Go Noles!!!
by Crawdad_Class of '86 on Dec 28, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions
I think EJ will have a great game
the guys over on Seminoles.com were really impressed with his practices.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
If EJ has a "great" game, we win.
I just don’t see it happening with little time and a good defense bearing down on him.
by seminoleballer on Dec 28, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Who????
Is he on the Team?
I hate you Off-season
think he was refering to the video the team did
all the players acted like they didnt know who he was
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by BenDNole on Dec 28, 2011 2:07 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What video?
Linkage?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCOrZsWVXK4
I hate you Off-season
EJ has found ways to come up big in Bowl games during his career.
I expect that trend to continue tomorrow.
I hate you Off-season
Not discrediting your opinion, but I don’t get this logic. There are many different circumstances in this game than in EJ’s previous bowls. Drunk Grarcia doing his best Jacory impersonation, key injured players for the other team during the game(WVU quarterback, Lattimore), not to mention Stewart taking the ball out of Noel Devine’s hands…
IF key ND players are hurt in this game, and we are able to convert RZ opportunities I can see a win; but I don’t see this game as similar to the previous two and even scratch my head that FSU is favored
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by The Ryno and I Know on Dec 29, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Interested to see how the OL holds up
I’m hoping to see them not get completely dominated and overwhelmed. If they are even somewhat serviceable that will make me feel alot better going into the offseason.
Also I would say EJ’s play in this game is very important for his psyche. I hope he can end on a good note and come out next year with his head on straight and some confidence, because it was sorely lacking the second half of the season.
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 28, 2011 12:03 PM EST reply actions
another key to the game we're overlooking:
where will the refs come from?
if theyre acc refs, all bets are off…
Great question, anyone know who will be officiating?
by CrimiNole Defense on Dec 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Big XII.
They’ll be confused by the defense being played.
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by Kazoonole on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Going to give them a call
And make sure they keep an eye on the #13 fella that hits like it’s nobody’s business.
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by Ron's Cherry on Dec 28, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Per Twitter JWJ is really doing well in practice and Jimbo said something along the lines of it all “clicking for him” and that he should get a good deal of playing time tmrw.
by CrimiNole Defense on Dec 28, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions
Break Out Game for him and the O line.
Watch, after all the speculation they straight up MAUL their assignments and our RB’s just have these gaping holes to run thru and we gash em on the ground the whole game.
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Put the koolaid down son
you are ingesting dangerous amounts
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Dec 28, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
It's the last game.
We will have MONTHS to Detox. It’s KOOL-AID TIME BABYYYYY!
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(On the O-line) My fan side wants to press the "I believe" button.
My rational side, not so much. These guys have just had so few starts, as has been discussed at length already. Maybe a month’s worth of rest and their heads in the playbook/Trickett in their ears will make some difference……..I hope.
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I am not a FSU or Notre Dame Fan
I am not a FSU or Notre Dame Fanbut this bowl is one I am really looking forward too. Enjoyed the NC State Louisville game last night.
I probably would pick Notre Dame in this one. With FSU’s O-Line and the injuries there I am not convinced they are a top 50 offense. I think Notre Dame offense holds serve just a tiny bit better then FSU’s and they win a close game, maybe 20-17. Should be a great game. Good luck.
I heard FSU is practicing in
UCF’s IPF. Is this true?
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
Yesterday because of the rain.
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 28, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Very good.
I hope it helps.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Dec 28, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
???
How does UCF get a Indoor Practice Facility before FSU???
UCF's got built
when we did our new stadium. That whole part of campus is new as of 2007. Very nice, I recommend checking it out if you get the chance.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Dec 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I've been in UCF's facility...very impressive.
That whole athletic area is pretty nice. Its amazing to see how much more land UCF has to expand if needed.
Gripper
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UCF's IPF is gorgeous.
Outstanding. See what happens when alumni are well organized.
by CCDFSU07 on Dec 28, 2011 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
FSU has plenty of land around Doak too
Boosters own most land for almost a mile west and southwest of the stadium, and will provide it to FSU has needed for expansion.
This may be a silly, non-relevant question
but dammit, I’m asking anyway!
How does a school arrange using something valuable like that at another school (UCF’s IPF). Do they rent it out? Or is it a courtesy extended with some sort understanding that it will be reciprocated by FSU when UCF needs something like that?
I'm not sure.
Alabama used it last year, though.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Dec 28, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
As a show of appreciation
Saban didn’t kill anybody from UCF
I hate you Off-season
by Chief03 on Dec 28, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
And we appreciated that.
Rec’d.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Dec 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
I thought they practiced at Dr. Phillips?
by garnetandgold on Dec 28, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that's what Miami held their practices all season long?
Maybe it was a smaller high school field.
I hate you Off-season
FSU practiced at Thunder field which is right outside the Citrus Bowl
They actually practiced in the Citrus Bowl on Monday.
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They did until the weather got bad.
Then they came and practiced in our IPF. They were there for 2 days I believe.
Go Knights! Go Boilers! Go 'Noles! Not necessarily in that order.
by UCFBoilerNole on Dec 28, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
simple
We made a promise to get Jen Sterger to do a shoot in their locker room……….
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by renegade nole on Dec 28, 2011 3:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
With Brett Favre as the photographer?
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I hear he demands thatthe photographed person wear pair of Crocs for each photography session.
by CrimiNole Defense on Dec 28, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Question for you Bud
In regards to Notre Dame’s defense, are they aggressive or conservative? Do they let their line get most of the pressure, do they send a lot of linebackers or secondary, or do they mix it up based on the team they are playing?
I am curious on what the offensive line has in store for them….
Running a 3-4, they must send linebackers.
That’s going to be a problem for our young line. I really hope they’re practicing every scenario possible right now.
by seminoleballer on Dec 28, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
From a Domer
Good write-up. I’d say you’ve got ND’s defense about right – the linemen are all over 300 pounds and the inside linebackers are bruisers, thanks mainly to Te’o. If we had a clear weakness on D, it would be the outside linebackers’ pass coverage and pretty inconsistent DB play. I guess that’s two weaknesses.
Re our offense: the Eifert/Jones matchup is going to be huge. Almost more important, in my opinion, than the Floyd/Reid/Rhodes/whoever matchup, and for largely the reasons that you talked about – if Floyd is covered, a 6"6 TE with decent speed and amazing hands is a pretty good safety outlet. This is especially true if Tommy Rees is in at QB.
I’m probably most worried about Special Teams and FSU’s Defense. We literally have a punt return average of about .2 yards this year. It’s horrible. Field position is a battle that will almost certainly be won by FSU.
@ aznole85: Mainly we send the three down linemen with a linebacker or two perhaps on obvious passing downs – the defense is more of a take-what-they-give-you type of D than a kitchen-sink blitzing team. Of course, with 4 freshmen linemen (wow that’s a lot of young guys) they might change things up to bring more pressure.
I’m curious about Manuel – the only game I saw him in was against Oklahoma, and until he got hurt he looked pretty good. You seem kind of down on him though. Is he a Jacory Harris type of guy (talent is there but lots of mental mistakes)?
EJ isn’t bad. He just needs to be better on the mental side (checks, etc).
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by Bud Elliott on Dec 28, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
gotcha
incidentally, the presnap stuff is probably Tommy Rees’ greatest strength, though not so much the check-downs. He’s been known to gaze longingly at Michael Floyd for about 4 seconds, then throw the ball to him into double or triple coverage.
Playing injured with a patchwork line has gotten into EJ's head a little bit--perhaps
Hard to tell why EJ has had the mental errors, but they have increased as the season wore on. In the game against UVA he was even making good decisions on the read-option plays whereas that is one of the things he has done well the past couple of years. Early in the season, it looked like EJ was over-thinking all of his reads and options while missing simple decisions like throwing to a wide open back in the flat. Don’t know what the source of the mental errors is, but mental errors are correctable. In the past he was good at throwing on the run. Perhaps Jimbo will have some designed roll-out passes to try to protect him and get him to think on the run rather than over analyzing the situation. EJ’s pocket presence has been absent all season—shuffling his feet when he has time, lack of a mental-clock about how long he has held the ball in the pocket, seeming unawareness of rushers from both the back and front side. It’s not the EJ most Nole fans were expecting to see after he had won bowl games the previous two years.
What are the corners like? Bud mentions they are good, but not great. Is this from lack of experience, skill, athletic ability? How big are they?
I think the match up of our WRs, who are talented, but still young, with y’all’s CBs will be important for EJ and pass protection.
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by SteadfastNole on Dec 28, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Corners are pretty big with decent speed
Our two starters are Robert Blanton and Gary Gray, both seniors. I’m not checking this so it may be off but Blanton’s about 6"1 and Gary Gray is close to 6. They’re great tacklers in the open field, but in big games they’ve made very occasional bone-headed mistakes in coverage, mostly by not turning around when the ball is coming down and either getting flagged for Interference or just getting abused for a TD (see Gray against Michigan, fourth quarter, ugh).
Safety play has been pretty good this year, Harrison Smith is excellent and Jamoris Slaughter has stepped up. There is, however, very VERY little depth in the secondary, and teams have caught us with our pants down in certain rotations with guys like Zeke Motta and Lo Wood.
continuing with that line of thought...
Does FSU run trips wide or anything like that often? That would worry me, because as I said our secondary depth is awful, and the outside LBs are really young (we’ve started sophomores and freshman most of the year, with the exception of our cat linebacker, Darius Fleming, who often lines up in a three point stance anyway).
we’ll run trips 3 or 4 times a game, but we also run out of it too. The WRs this year were a surprising treat on offense. They are all very young (save for 6’6’’ Smith), but show tremendous potential.
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by SteadfastNole on Dec 28, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I would expect a fair amount of 3 and 4-wide sets this game to get EJ someone to throw to quickly.
We’re pretty thin at RB due to injury and suspension/inelligibility. Our TEs suck. Our leading rusher, receiver, and TE-receiver are all true freshmen. They are good, but ND will be looking at what will be in effect a HS-all-star type offense filled with guys who are true freshmen both on the line and at the skill positions. Yep, lots of injuries this year.
That would be a good strategy
ND’s linebackers are pretty awful in coverage and we don’t have the depth to play dime coverage. Even when we play nickel, we have a safety playing the nickel back. And that also means we’ll have Zeke Motta at safety and he’s been a liability at times.
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Semi-serious question here
With so many beautiful Catholic girls out there (gotta be the best-looking religion), why do so few end up at Notre Dame?
Ha-
as a subway alum, I plead lack of personal knowledge on the subject.
Maybe the weather? There have to be some good-looking girls up in South Bend, and I say that knowing that you’ll probably post a picture of Jimmy Clausen with some sketchy looking females. /cringes
I wouldn't post that pic;
no matter how much I wanted to make fun of a ND fan before game da;, I don’t think my eyes could handle it! Good luck, cheers, here’s to a good game with no injuries.
haha, much appreciated
Thanks to y’all for the conversation, and good luck to you as well. Extra cheers for the no injuries part.
What picture?
I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Most Miami fans have a bead case of SARS. Slap Ass Retarded Syndrome.
by Nole Resurrected on Dec 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well then lets hope we can use NOL properly, because i’m pretty sure Reliford and Tye arent going to take advantage of a weakness at OLB.
by New Mexico Nole on Dec 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Realiford has proven to be EXCELLENT at taking advantage of a wekness at TE....
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by AMFKNole on Dec 28, 2011 2:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Thanks Danno
I personally think EJ is good he just lacks pocket awareness. However our offensive line is so horrible it is hard to blame the guy. But he should realize that his o line sucks and that he won’t have as much time as he thinks he does.
Re: Manuel
I would say the majority of his mistakes are different than Jacory Harris. Harris (before this year) tried to force too many throws. EJ’s mental mistakes have more to do with presnap reads and holding the ball to long in the pocket.
I got it -)
That makes sense, too. Harris made a about three awful throws in the Sun Bowl last year. Of course, after about three seconds our outside LBs will stop covering whoever they’re covering and just stand around, so it will depend on whether Manuel finds his receivers before our linemen get at him.
Agreed. He’s not throwing balls up for grabs too often.
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Yeah, a lot of the disappointment with EJ around here is because we had such high expectations for him coming into this season.
He hasn’t come anywhere CLOSE to people’s expectations, a very disappointing season overall.
by seminoleballer on Dec 28, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
Both of these teams are better than their record.
But starting 4 freshmen on the offensive line scares me.
I think our defense keeps it close, but ultimately Notre Dame wins 17-16.
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Bud: perhaps you would consider
breaking out your anticipated statistics for Offensive and Defensive performance of yards per play between run plays and pass plays next year. Since run plays have an average per play that is significantly lower than pass plays generally – the play selection of run or pass seems to have a huge outcome on what the average yards per play is. I am reminded of the Virginia game mostly where UVA had a decent yards per play average – but where they passed the ball a lot more than expected too
True freshmen on offense tomorrow
It is conceivable that we could see 8 true freshmen on offense on the field at the same time tomorrow and it’s highly likely that there will be times when we do see 7.
4 OLs, 35, 80, 8 all at the same time. And I can see a scenario where 32 plays with 8 in the shotgun.
With all those freshmen, I wonder if we’ll see some wider splits up front? Would make it tougher to twist/easier to pick up if they do. I think it makes assignments easier, although tougher to help. IF we had veteran RBs (other than 24) that were good blitz pick up guys, maybe you don’t but that’s one thing we could do up front that would help our guys a lot, quickly, I think.
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by Sobering on Dec 28, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Whenever you mention "8", you may need to add O or D.
There is an extremely talented freshman “8” on the D side as well.
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by pasadenanole22 on Dec 28, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
True freshmen on offense tomorrow
It is conceivable that we could see 8 true freshmen on offense on the field at the same time tomorrow and it’s highly likely that there will be times when we do see 7.
4 OLs, 35, 80, 8 all at the same time. And I can see a scenario where 32 plays with 8 in the shotgun.
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And please, please, please let 35 play!
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by pasadenanole22 on Dec 28, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
yes!!! for the love of god!!
Reliford and Little suck sooo bad, I know I shouldn’t hate on Little cuz I’m a Lincoln grad but man they both suck!
NOL is a playmaker and needs the ball in his hands, I still don’t understand how he gets soo wide open and EJ never even looks at him..I’ve seen it several times and I’m yelling at the field or the TV screen, 35!!!! 35!!!! Wide open! Ohh, too late, another sack or TFL
by thornole on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought I heard we were starting 7 true freshmen on offense tomorrow?
Aren’t we starting true freshmen at offensive line (4), wide receiver, running back, and tight end?
by seminoleballer on Dec 28, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Shawn Powell MUST
put our defense in scoring position
Florida State
NOW
State Champions
8-4
5-3 ACC
by SeminoleMike on Dec 28, 2011 1:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I dont think the question is will he, but rather…do you want it inside the 5 or the 2?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Dec 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
How important is scoring first in a low scoring game?
Anybody have stats on this?
It surely helped us against UF.
Florida State
NOW
State Champions
8-4
5-3 ACC
FSU!!!!1!!!!1!
And aloha from Hawaii.
That is all.
Like the score prediction
except I have it opposite: FSU – 14, Notre Dame – 16.
Let’s drink to hoping I’m wrong.
by SarasotaSeminole on Dec 28, 2011 1:55 PM EST reply actions
Just a reminder
For all the fans going to the game tomorrow. The magic also have a game tomorrow at 7:00pm. Both will probably finish at the same time. The Amway Center and the stadium are about a mile apart. Traffic is going to be a nightmare.
#patience
I recommend taking Orange Ave if you can
DO NOT TAKE THE TURNPIKE….it will be hours before your anywhere
by reid-the-manuel on Dec 28, 2011 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
No, no, no, no
I recommend taking Orange Ave if you can
First off, its the Orange Blossom Trail aka ‘OBT’ aka 441. As far as using it…it depends where you are heading, but I would avoid it….lots of stoplights. Personally, coming and going, I would use John Young Parkway no matter where you are heading. It connects to the 408 (East-West Expressway) and Hywy 50 both of which gets you back to I-4.
In fact, if you are coming on the 408 from I-4 don’t get off at the 441/OBT exit. Go to the John Young Parkway exit.
Gripper
Tommyhawk Nation: Bobby Bowden is the all-time ACC leader in conference titles, conference wins, total wins, winning percentage, bowl appearances & wins and owns the longest conference winning streak.
I live here in Orlando and can confirm what you are saying
They will also shut down certain lanes on OBT after bowl games and limit access to side streets.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
Yes..limit access to side streets ...
that should you venture on, hope you are in an armored humvee
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 28, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
So you're saying I shouldn't break down at Gore & Division at 4AM?
Would have liked to learn that lesson 2 weeks ago…
"Roll 'em up"
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
"He's probably the wildcard"
Had visions of Charlie from Always Sunny in Philadelphia running through my head.
As far as the game, I’m hoping to see some improvement from the young oline tomorrow. At this point I’d take mediocre oline play which hopefully leads to adequate play next season. Go Noles!
by nolesdude on Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Special teams will be the difference in a FSU win
I’m a little surprised that Bud didn’t include any analysis of kicking and kick coverage, or maybe it is a foregone conclusion that FSU is so much better. I am predicting FSU 19-14, the difference being a D-Hop 45+ yard FG and a monster safety by BW95 following a Powell punt inside the 5.
Enjoy the game and have a Happy and Healthy 2012!
p.s. Congratulations to Ms. FSU on the new arrival.
"He who hesitates, meditates in the horizontal position" Edmund Kealoha "Ed" Parker
you left out the spectacular G5 punt return and Los having an epic KR TD with a broken wrist!
by New Mexico Nole on Dec 28, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, G5 will have a pick 6, and the other TD will be set up by a G5 40 yard return.
OK, I’m getting a little carried away now…but wait until NEXT year!
"He who hesitates, meditates in the horizontal position" Edmund Kealoha "Ed" Parker
My Prediction
Defense sets up the offense nicely twice but we only get two field goals. EJ puts one good drive together early to score, and Hopkins gets 2 other FG’s (4 total). FSU – 19 points.
Powell dominates field position and G5 keeps the ball in ND territory. Notre Dame puts 3 decent drives together the entire game, netting 2 TD’s and a FG.
We find a way to keep the ball last possession and run out the clock in a nail biter.
FSU wins 19-17.
"I wish you loved me as much as you love TomahawkNation!"
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by freshcollegeboy on Dec 28, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions
There are no guarantees in life.
Except that Lynch will have the game of the millennium. I seriously hope I’m wrong, but there’s no way he could be set up any better. ESPN can cue the draft footage now.
"If you want to see me, come watch me on Fridays. I play in pads."
-(Future FSU Star) Mario Pender
by SoCalNole on Dec 28, 2011 4:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Anyone remember the last time we had a all world punter playing in the champs bowl. Gano put on a clinic. I expect much of the same from Powell. FSU- 28 ND-13
by Seminole4Life on Dec 28, 2011 4:52 PM EST via Android app reply actions
4 freshmen O-line
When I heard we’d be starting 4 true freshmen on the O-line, the first thing that popped into my head was the cliche dialog from action movies: “That’s so crazy, it just might work!”
…probably not. But here’s hoping.
by Nolesferatu on Dec 28, 2011 4:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
dividends
I’m just hoping the extra practice time together and game experience pays dividends next year.
by nolesdude on Dec 28, 2011 5:05 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
No, that was then.
We’re at now now.
by LilburnNole on Dec 28, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
we were
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Dec 29, 2011 5:10 AM EST up reply actions
Droid App Spaceballs Autorec
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 9:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Is this going to be like a home game tomorrow?
Or will ND hold their own with 30-50% of the attendance?
72,000 or so...whatever sellout is
at least 50k will be cheering the Noles
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Dec 28, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
longest 24 hours of my life
can’t. freakin. wait
taking the domers here
20-6. They score late to make it look worse than it is. Not confident in EJ making the right reads in the option (if we run it) or pre-snap reads, and expecting the oline to get overwhelmed and commit several penalties. 8-5 season and a rocky finish to 2012 recruiting.
I think the defense and special teams keep ND pinned all day long. ND has shown that they literally cannot return punts, and Powell has shown that he can literally make it so you can’t return punts. If a punter could score points on punts I would say he’d get us 28 points, but he can’t, so he can at least make it extremely hard for ND to score. Unless we turn the ball over I see ND having no short fields to work with.
Which is good because I can’t see our offense doing much with 4 freshman OLs. We hardly managed to do anything with a better situation. Unless a member of the offense plays out of their mind, I see the offense looking a lot like it did against UF ….doing very little, but maybe capitalizing on some ND miscues from them having to continue to sustain long drive after long drive.
I like FSU 16 – 9
"Kill a fly with an axe"
unless they get in the habit
Of getting rid of the ball quickly…if EJ makes quick throws and we take our time moving down the field little by little, then the offense should be alright, even with those four freshmen
by thornole on Dec 29, 2011 3:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we get blown out score wise
I think their offense scores 14 on our defense (Long drives).
I think they will score at least 14 off turnovers (fumble or int or both).
Add a field goal and think they win 31-3 or something similar to that.
I think our offense will struggle big time against them.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
Why are we all of a sudden giving up multiple TDs on turnovers?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Dec 28, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
If anything, ND has shown the propensity for multiple turnovers a game. Not us
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Dec 28, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Four freshmen offensive linemen
EJ likely going back into his shell after being hit a few times.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 28, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, anyone:
with 4 freshmen on the OL, what sort of play selection do you expect to see from us? Roll-outs, screens, mis-directions?
Championship!
I understand my opinion isn't popularly, but I am looking at this objectively
Could something happen during the game? Sure.
However, I don’t have much confidence in our offense to do anything against ND’s defense, in fact I expect them to be a liability.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 28, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I agree but it burns my eyes to read.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best! EJ has played well in bowls. Our defense is stout. We dominant on special teams. In theory, we have the advantage in 2 of the 3 phases. I like our odds.
FSU back-2-back state champs!! 52-14
by CashvilleNole on Dec 28, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
But EJ hasn't shown a propensity for throwing picks as of late
and Freeman hasnt fumbled. To make that prediction about turnovers is just to be a negative Nancy.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 9:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Run on passing downs, pass on standard downs
Play-action bootlegs, bubbles, jailbreaks. Basically try to keep the line from having to see anything too complicated or make it so that when they are confused, EJ won’t be in danger because of it.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 9:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Marijuana's not a drug
I used to suck dick for coke.
I seen em!
by NoleySmokes on Dec 29, 2011 7:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wrong again...
Like your 2011 prediction… “12-2 (6-2)”… we won’t get blown out. The major advantage in this game is our defense against their offense. We could lose, but our defense will not let us get “blown out.” I think we win a close one, we’re running the ball a little better now… look for Rashad and crew (possibly K Shaw) to play well… and EJ seems to like playing in bowl games – he just has to play well (not amazing) and we win.
by ProgressiveRouse on Dec 28, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
My prediction wasn't really that far off
I think ND score 14 on our defense with their offense. I don’t think our offense will be able to do much of anything against ND’s defense. Seems to me a recipe for a game that is really close upon viewing, but a blow out scoreboard wise.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 28, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Not seeing it...
I’ve looked at the game from several angles… I’m not seeing what you’re seeing… hope you’re wrong. I have to think Jimbo has a game plan well-suited for EJ… the one thing EJ seems to struggle with is scheme and he’s had PLENTY of time to prepare. As the analysts like to say, “these freshman (Free, RG, etc…) ain’t freshman no more!” I think we win the game.
by ProgressiveRouse on Dec 28, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
That's fine, and as a Seminole fan I want to come away with a win as well.
I am just calling it like I see it. Also, the fact Jimbo may have a well-suited game plan for EJ does not mean EJ will be able to execute it (be it his own fault or the fault of the line).
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 28, 2011 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
One of us
will be right and the other will end up in a roach motel with no shoes or knowledge of how we even got their… possibly the Prince Murat…
by ProgressiveRouse on Dec 28, 2011 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Also I am not saying out defense will get us blown out.
I am saying that our defense gives up 14 straight up (i.e. long drives) and the offense (our offense i.e. Florida State) turns the ball over resulting in ND having a short field to score.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 28, 2011 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
dont you all see?
he’s trying the reverse jinx
clever, sir…very clever
You're also saying we'll give up 4 TDs
And hold them to 1 FG, that’s you predicting a massive defensive failure.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 9:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
How?
If an opposing offense scores, because of short field that is not on the defense.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 29, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Scores, yes
but giving up 4 TDs means not holding them to FGs on any of those drives, that is a failure.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 10:16 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
You do realize Notre Dame has a very good offense right?
If we held them to field goals I would be happy, but I am not sure if that is going to happen.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 29, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Probably even better than you do
But I don’t care if ND gets two drives that start at our 20, giving up 100% TDs is a massive failure and not up to the standard FSU has set for itself on Defense.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 10:20 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Alright.
I am just going to disagree with you and move on. You apparently are some sort of expert, and are prepared to flex your cred.
Keep it easy.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 29, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
You ask a condescending question which the article we're both commenting on discusses
And I’m the one who is flexing? You state that we will give up 2 long drive TDs and two short field TDs and another FG. Every week it is a goal that we discuss on here to allow less than 50% redzone TDs. You’ve said nothing with regard to us getting turnovers in the redzone, or that you expect these scores to come from outside the redzone (although TDs from outside the redzone are big plays, another thing we don’t typically give up). Therefore, the implication I’m picking up is either an 80% or 100% redzone TD % for ND. That would be a failure by our defense.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 10:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Do you put the Virginia lost on the defense?
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely not
but 100% redzone TDs was a failure by the defense. This was never about who to put the loss on. You made a prediction that involved our D giving up four TDs and a FG. You made no statement about opportunities. If we give up the types of scores you reference, the defense has failed. Now if we only score 3 like you also mentioned, the loss falls on the O. If we lose 31-28, it is a different question entirely.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 11:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
So if the defense has to deal consistently with a short field against Notre Dame
You expect them to stop Notre Dame from scoring every time? Or do you expect the defense to give up field goals?
As for our defense creating turnovers, I think it is possible, but what will our offense do with those turnovers? I am going to say nothing, hence the three points. I believe this game will come down to the offense failing the defense, and not the defense giving up a large amount of points due to having to defend a short field for what I expect to be a majority of the game.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Dec 29, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Field Goals not TDs
Then I’d say the D did their job.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Don't overlook ND's offensive line
They went almost 2 months without giving up a sack. They haven’t been playing quite as well since Braxton Cave got hurt and we were forced to play Mike Golic at center, but this is still a tough, physical line. They’ll give your d-line all they can handle.
I still don’t know if we’ll be able to move the ball, but I don’t think we’ll be as bad as Florida was.
One Foot Down
On teh Twitterz
All they can handle?
That’s cute. ND hasn’t faced a DL all season long that eveb begins to approach the talent level and the depth they’ll see today.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 9:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not having Cave at center hurts
but Martin (LT), Watt (LG), and Robinson (RG) are studs. FSU’s line is good – I’m not denying that – but this might be the best o-line ND has had in about ten years. FSU’s d-line against the ND o-line will probably be the most interesting matchup of the night.
One Foot Down
On teh Twitterz
What is the best defensive front you have faced all season?
Genuinely curious…
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 10:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Probably Stanford
who we, admittedly, struggled against, but we did a decent job moving the ball when Hendrix came in for Rees.
It could also be Michigan State. We didn’t put up huge numbers on them (only around 275 yards of total offense) but we ran the ball well and shut them down on defense. If we want to win tonight, we’ll have to play a game similar to that one. Good special teams play, a timely turnover here or there, and just enough offense to win.
One Foot Down
On teh Twitterz
My grandfather was the pilot for The Beatles
Catchy “subject line” to capture attention.
KJ’s a bit grave for my liking. Moving on…
Also, I heard Tom Block say we’d be preseason top three if we be ND… wow… don’t agree with that and hope we win tomorrow and come into the 2012 season as a preseason #15. That’d be good for us.
If we win then there’s a chance next season will truly be "our time" unlike this season when we said "this is our time" and it wasn’t really "our time." Next year can be "our time," but we need to win tomorrow get "our time" started. However, still don’t think "our time" will truly commence until we have a solid offensive line and I don’t see that magically happening eight months from now.
by ProgressiveRouse on Dec 28, 2011 8:52 PM EST reply actions
Sooooooooooooooooo
Your grandfather was, or was not the pilot for the Beatles?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
He was
not the pilot for The Beatles. It was a ploy to garner traffic.
by ProgressiveRouse on Dec 28, 2011 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Hey dude
Thats my family you’re calling grave buster!
cal's qb
is built lke a tall rashad greene.. lol
which is harder to believe
he made it through the season or that he starts for Cal?
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
by Mannieblunts on Dec 28, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Wish I was more confident
since Im going to the game.
I just cant imagine the Oline being anywhere near decent. Same with EJ. That Florida game was one of the worst performances Ive seen in a long time.
Heres hoping for the shutout, I imagine we can get 3 points.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
It amazes me how over confident some of our fan base is.
Not many of the people on here, but just some of them in general. I’m with Bud, I see this as a low scoring, coin flip type of game. My pick is 17-13 Noles.
by fsunole23 on Dec 28, 2011 10:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
as in confident for a victory? in our teams ability to produce points? Public sees Notre Dame and assumes they suck and over-rated. I think it will be a fantastic game.
Seriously Turtle, Smoke More Weed
by Mannieblunts on Dec 28, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
facebook fights
with a friend who loves notre dame are awesome!
FSU has given up an average of 9.2 points per game the last five outings
There is no way Notre Dame scores over 14 points. They scored 14 points against Stanford and 16 against Boston College. Our offense scored 38 against Boston College.
The Seminoles are still America's team
Can there be one with soul so dead whose heart does not leap at the sigh of Renegade and the flaming spear
You forgot to mention on the road
@ night in their backyard
Walton High C/O 2017
Follow me on twitter at FSUnconquered10
"You make the helmet, the helmet doesn't make you" -Jimbo Fisher
by Unconquerednole1022 on Dec 29, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Boston College is a jinx for Notre Dame
We never play well against them. Think of them as our Wake Forest. (/throws gauntlet)
One Foot Down
On teh Twitterz
Wait, when did Wake Forest cost FSU a national title we arrogantly thought we deserved?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
As was I
You threw the gauntlet, no?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 10:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
True
Sarcasm/humor sometimes doesn’t translate well over the interwebs, so I apologize for misinterpreting your comment.
One Foot Down
On teh Twitterz
My prediction
I was thinking 20-14 FSU. So we were close!
Walton High C/O 2017
Follow me on twitter at FSUnconquered10
"You make the helmet, the helmet doesn't make you" -Jimbo Fisher
by Unconquerednole1022 on Dec 29, 2011 12:33 AM EST reply actions
With how bad their return game is...
Having Hopkins kicking the ball out of the end zone might give the Irish better field position! I say kick it high and inside the 5 so they have to return it lol. Giving it to them on the 20 is a much better deal for them than having to return it ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 20! Also, they might as well try to block every punt cause the return guy won’t break a sweat back there. That guy will be retreating faster than the person who makes a wrong turn in the ghetto tomorrow. (hard to tell whats the ghetto and whats not at this stadium) GO NOLES!!!
Now im very concerned with the OL and our ability to score.
But its under sixteen hours away and im so READY to see my defense out on that field.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Go Noles
My prediction is 23-10 Noles..Hopkins knocks home 3fgs to send them back to tha Bend,with a cozy L for the Holidays. But r we really that banged up on the O-line or is Jimbo jus trying 2 get Krug and the others fired up by benching them for the first few series? I have seen coaches do this before,but I really don’t know the effectiveness.Well too late to wonder now, its almost game time! SCRAP’em up Noles!!
Noles4Life!!
Highly unlikely its a motivation tactic
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Dec 29, 2011 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
motivational
That fact that I'm paranoid doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy against us
by stevegrizzle on Dec 29, 2011 5:20 AM EST up reply actions
jus wondering, so those guys are out because of injury,not performance?
Isn’t the bowl season the time for teams 2 get healthy? WTH is goin on over there? I know jimbo and trickett wasn’t goin full speed Oklahoma drills with those guys!!if so then I am impressed with his approach..maybe some of our guys needed a kick in the a.#%
Noles4Life!!
I think Jimbo
has proven he can get the team up for games that matter (even though to us fans we think all games matter and should be treated accordingly, see WF and UVA).
Although our O is a train wreck, the coaches have had plenty of time to review film and figure out a way to keep our O off the field as long as possible and just let our D score when it wants to.
Who is G5 going to knock out this game?
I know the clock operator for the game. He and his family are ALL big ND alums/supporters.
So the Irish have that going for them, which is nice.
"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat"
Well, I caddied for Jimbo before Christmas
and he told me at the end of the game I would receive total consciousness.
So, I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.
No tip mind you
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
21-7 FSU
Lifes a SPEAR then U TRIBE!!!!!
"We Are FLORIDA STATE!!!!"
"I know what you're scared of.... Its comin' BANK ON IT!"
-CoachColey
"FSU can't beat Oklahoma,Clemson and the refs. I rarely harp this much on officiating, but they were truly brutal. Protectionism at its finest." BUD-ice
*slow clap for subtlety*
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Dec 29, 2011 9:37 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I don't like foreplay....
Lifes a SPEAR then U TRIBE!!!!!
"We Are FLORIDA STATE!!!!"
"I know what you're scared of.... Its comin' BANK ON IT!"
-CoachColey
"FSU can't beat Oklahoma,Clemson and the refs. I rarely harp this much on officiating, but they were truly brutal. Protectionism at its finest." BUD-ice
glass is half full
I’m gonna say that FSU D has a stellar performance to cap off the year. Proving why this group deserves to be mentioned with the top squads in the nation. I think it comes down to the DL harassing Reese all night causing some ill advised decisions. Big game for Timmy J. Mike Harris will go out with a bang with at least one pick and multiple PBU’s. Offensively I am optimistic that we can throw the rock around against a shallow secondary. 23-10 noles!
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by renegade nole on Dec 29, 2011 9:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Throw out all logic and stats
It’ll be a 75-73 barn burner in 6 OTs. The game will be moved to ESPN Classic after the 3rd OT to accommodate the Baylor v Washington game on ESPN. Washington will go up big on Baylor in he first half because RGIII decided to stay in the locker room and watch the rest of our game forgoing his own game cause, hey, he already has the Heisman.
In seeing the competitive fire and spirit of competition, Andrus Peat, Eddie Goldman, Evan Goodman, Nelson Agholor, Josh Harvey-Clemons, and Avery Young immediately hop on a plane and/or car and travel to Orlando to commit to Coach Fisher in person. The NCAA, inspire of the dead period, allows this because of the Jimbo’s smile and explanation that the recruits were driving around, doing some things.
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