Spring Position Battles
by CJNole on Feb 14, 2011 11:20 AM EST
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During the spring, most of the Fall Depth Chart should be finalized. We have at least five positions that are in play in this spring.
SLB
Contenders: Christian Jones and Telvin Smith
Dark Horse: Chad Abram
Christian Jones has to be the favorite heading into spring but a lot depends on how much weight Telvin is able to add during the offseason. Telvin was able to make a lot of plays last year even though he was substantially undersized. Jones not only looks the part but also has shown flashes of brilliance. If Jones is able to play more consistently, I see this position as an upgrade over last year. Alexander was a great hitter last year but was still learning how to play Linebacker last year.
Don’t sleep on Abram. If he was able to maintain his athleticism with the added weight and can take on blocks. He offers a dynamic option at LB. Abram would have had a different rating coming out of HS if he was a 237 pound LB with safety speed.
LDE
Contenders: Werner and Carradine
Dark Horse: Onwukaife
I’m probably in the minority but I think Werner has a great shot at starting in the fall. Werner unlike most true freshmen is twenty and was a move or two away last year of being a dominant player. He was the first player, I’ve seen in long time that was able to physically push around Offensive Tackles. If he adds a push pull move they will not be able to anchor against him. Carradine is an athletic freak who could be one and done kid. His film simply dominant and the spring should afford him the opportunity to unseat Werner.
I don’t think Onwukaife has a real shot to beat out either Werner or Carradine but I do think he’ll end up at DE. He’ll have a much better shot getting playing time at DE.
MLB
Contenders: Vince Williams and Jeff Luc
Dark Horse: Nigel Terrell
The question remains if either Vince or Jeff has enough flexibility in their hips to be counted on this year. Both guys are physically big enough to dominate the game at the point of attack but have a tough time changing direction or in coverage. Right now, I have to think Vince is the favorite with Jeff on his heels. I don’t expect this battle to be over until fall camp. If either player doesn’t step up, it would not surprise me if Nigel Bradham slides inside and Christian slides to Will leaving Telvin and Chad to fight it out for the Sam spot.
Terrell was recruited as OLB but Kendall was really an OLB playing inside last year. We are going to be so big inside that Terrell may be able to play pretty clean allowing his speed to come into play. To date either Luc or Williams have impressed me and moving Terrell inside is just another idea to solve what I think is the weakest position on next year’s defense.
LG
Contenders: Jacob Fahrenkrug and Henry Orelus
Dark Horse: Blake Snider
Fahrenkrug has to be the leader in the clubhouse due to his massive size. Trickett didn’t fly to South Dakota six times for a backup guard.
Snider is really a distance dark horse. I think he’ll take some snaps at LG but will see the majority of his time at RG.
C
Contenders: Henry Orelus and Bryan Stork
Dark Horse: Lovelady and Pettis
IMHO, when I look at Orelus I see little Rodney Hudson. Henry is built to play center, it’s just a question of whether he can get the calls down. He has plenty of speed to block guys in space but offers a little bit more weight in the butt then McMahon. Bryan Stork is the linemen the coaches seem to love and want to get on the field. He’s clearly athletic enough to play Center. This should be a great battle.
Lovelady and Pettis could end up getting a serious look but I think it’s doubtful either starts. Both Stork and Orelus have been in the program for a while so their technique has to be pretty good. The big separator though has to be physical strength, it’s tough for a High School Senior to be strong enough to battle in the trenches as a true freshmen
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I'm starting to rethink my optimism on Werner
He’s a 20-going-on-21 year old high floor / low ceiling guy to me now. He’s a serviceable back-up at SDE, but he lacks the agility to become a playmaker at SDE.
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I think he'll be a huge asset off the bench, however.
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I think he played a little slow at times
Trying not to lose his contain or mess up his assignment. I don’t necessarily think it was due to lack of agility. Another year of experience and a spring practice could help significantly towards his progression mentally. He seemed pretty agile in his HS films, probably lost some of that with the weight he’s put on.
Plus, I’m personally less concerned with who is starting…. we’re not talking about QB or OL, we’re talking about DL where our guys will rotate often and hopefully stay fresh.
Shouldn't you offset that by the fact he's only played two or three years of football in the US
The guy has to be incredibly raw plus, folks don’t finish physically maturing until their late 20’s. At this time of year, folks go back to HS rankings instead of the film. What really sticks out to me last season, was Werner bull rushing guys and them going backwards. The guy had one move last year and flashed.
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He played pretty smart
last year and made some tackles on adjustments to screens and from pursuit containment.
His problem was a lack of stamina, common in DL in general. He would make a big push one play and take the next play off. White gave us an incredible amount of endurance last year. He played 70-80% of the plays in the tough games and still would make a big play 8-10 plays into a drive without rest.
In general though, our biggest weakness last year was a lack of front 7 depth and we really got manhandled late in games against the more physical teams. We need to rotate four guys at both end and tackle. Bud seemed to think that Carradine would play right end. Either way, I think Werner and Jenkins start, but don’t play that much more than Carradine and another back up DE. That way Carradine stays hungry and likely stays for two years.
DE is a position where a new freshman like Newberry can come in and play right away.
If Newberry does anything but redshirt (medical included), I'll be surprised.
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Not saying you're wrong
and I basically hear the same thing from everyone else, but he looked good during the UAAA game.
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correct me if im wrong
but i think his 2 biggest issues are building up his body comp and the learning curve from HS to major college football. both of which can be fixed with a RS year, depth chart permitting.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Needs to bulk up his lower body.
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...Vs H.S. players.
I say he gets a taste the 1st 2 games & “medically” shirts………….at best.
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if he became "injuried"
aka giving him an extra year of eligibility since he wont see the field much
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Yeah Newberry was playing against HS players but
the majority of players he was playing against won’t be taking a RS next year, e.g, Clowney, Lynch, Chickillo, etc. And Newberry did well against them #justsayin
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that was on OL, and they arent Jrs and Srs
he looked ok at DE (when he actually got time there), but his size is a liability to him at the next level right now. if he can bulk up in time, he might be able to hold his own despite being shellshocked at the change of talent, pace, and complexity. it worked for Werner because the kid is flat out strong, but thats not the norm.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
As a HS Sr. he's listed as 6'5", 250
so I’d expect him to be 260 by fall. You make a good point about playing OL & DE in the UAAA game—I barely remember him playing DE. I’m just a little surprised that the consensus is that the size of a 6’5" 250-ish DE is a liability. I do admit, however, that his skills for playing DE in a BCS conference are unknown.
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its not the weight, its where he carries it
he is very small from the waist down. he has great upper body size, but his legs are really thin. he needs to bulk up down there to get more explosiveness from his stance.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
is lower body strength more important for DE than OL?
again, b/c he did very well on OL.
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Vs 17 year-olds......not seasoned 21/22 year old men.
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I'm sorry Newberry doesn't look like a thin kid to me
cant find the pictures at the moment
but there were a couple good shots from the UA workouts. he has thin, basketball player legs, which worked for him during basketball season. he needs to bulk up to play college football.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
that is to say
im no expert on DE body comp (leave that one to DRusso), but i can clearly see the difference. thats how obvious it is.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
His legs look like longer versions of my arms.
…Except that they have balls attached.
This guy needs some serious anchor work on his lower body. The GOOD news is that now he will get it!!
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He has balls attached to his legs?
Maybe football’s not his best gig. Circus might be better….or weird porn.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 26, 2011 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
Every picture I've seen make him look like he has big hips
Think about it could he play OT if he had a small lower body. To play tackle you have be able to anchor which is done predominately with your legs.
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a lot of it is hands and bending to keep your weight in the right place
legs are important, yes, but a T doesnt explode off the line in pass pro to win the point of attack, a DL does.
again, not an expert, but from everything i have gathered, he needs to build up his lower body.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Dude has thin legs.
Go through the archives on here from early January. You will see the pictures from the Under Armour game practices.
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thanks trick, thats a good example picture. has him standing next to Hart and Pettis, and it shows the comparison very well. also, the last picture looks like Newberry rushing against Hart, so there’s another example.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
A DE isn't suppose to be built like a OT
Look at Justin Tuck.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-10-27/sports/17908740_1_tony-romo-cowboys-giants-defense
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Tuck has thick legs
your point?
my point isnt that Newberry should be built like an OL, but that the three of them are linemen as opposed one being a skill position player. if you only saw them from the waist down you might think its Karlos Williams with those legs. while impressive at 210, its probably not big enough at 260 vs. college linemen. if i could find a picture of him next to some DE’s, i would post that, but i cant find one.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Didn't you say earlier that Newberry can play OT?
Now you’re saying a DE shouldn’t be built like an OT? Can you explain?
I think Newberry is thin in the legs, especially from about the mid-thigh down. Certainly capable of bulking them up after some time in the weight room.
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Carradine will be an immediate improvement to Marcus White
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Werner...
already was though the coaches did not agree as eveident from the number of snaps each played.
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Disagree
Werner was not ready to take the amount of snaps that White took. While yes I believe Werner was better, he was not ready to take as many snaps as White. I may be wrong but Werner did not participate in Spring Practice last year.
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by CP7.4.Heisman on Feb 15, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
agree with that....
though he is 20, i forgot that it was his first season of college ball and you are right in that physically he was not ready for as many snaps. That being said, talentwise, he was better to me.
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Word on street that Spurlock is taking snaps at center during preseason
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You have to throw Snider in there for competition for RG. He was 2nd string prior to his leg injury.
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I thought about adding him. Knowing Trickett he'll be in the mix.
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He came into class today with a boot/wrap kinda deal today
and crutches. Shouldnt hurt him too bad right now, but while he’s having to sit out hurt, someone else is getting better
Two questions.
A. Datko had surgery on both shoulders, right? Has there been any word on how that went?
2. Is Spurlock’s problem with concussion(s) still a concern?
No, they rehabbed one shoulder and scoped the other.
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by Bud Elliott on Feb 14, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
#2 - Scientifically, yes
Having one concussion increases your chances of having another. Considering the man tried to play through them, he’s on his last legs as a college player IMO.
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Still don't know how I feel about this
Isn’t Center the most mentally demanding? How is Spurlock’s mind? I hope it is OK, but I just worry from the concussion issues he has had.
I also worry about his durability. Let’s say he ends up starting at center, but ends up with another concussion before the OK game. What then? Is having him for part of the season and then switching up the line better than placing a younger (but I’m assuming still capable) player in there and having a better chance at retaining consistency?
Interesting.
I don’t think Werner beats out Tank but Werner is an excellent guy to have as a backup. Also I’m interested to see what Wilder, Freeman, Los, and O’Leary do early.
With JT's legal issues
We may get to see some younger backs thrown in the rotation with CT and TJ. I didn’t expect to see a lot of immediate impact from Wilder/Freeman a few weeks ago, but now that is looking like more of a possibility, even if it still isn’t that likely.
Anyone thnk we can expect to see any "wildcat" looks w/ Freeman?
If so, i vote for “Freebird” as the designated terminology.(showing my redneck side too much?)
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Not with Manuel @ QB
with Ponder injured last year, and G5 willing, it would have been a good time to Wild it up. But Ponder ran the Wildcat formation himself – just WR-QB option
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We may see the old "Direct"
I agree with the poster, running back is such an instinctive position that we could easily see substantial contribution from JWJ or Freeman. The problem is that their highlight reels don’t show them blocking. CJF has so little tolerance for mental fu’s (see Ty Jones) that it may not be possible right away, even for a natural zone blocking runner like Freeman.
Driving on a suspend license traditionally doesn't lead to a dismissal.
I think it would hurt the relationship with First Coast
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He did it twice in a week (I think)
I agree and don’t think it gets him kicked off the team, but does increase the percentage of that outcome (hence “more of a possibility”). Also, he may end up sitting out a game or two (the cupcakes), which would make sense to me given our depth at RB
Definitely, he has to be skating on thin ice. Another bigger issue and it has to be gonzo. (Drug Test, etc...)
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He is
up to 3 now I beleive. 2 last week alone
whats the third?
i only know of 2 tickets for the suspended license.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
The 3rd is the offense he committed to get suspended in the 1st place.
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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 17, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Man, no depth at safety hurts.
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by slumgullion on Feb 14, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I disagree. We should have at least six good guys back there
FS
Moody
Karlos Williams
Demps
SS
Parks
Brooks (He’s big enough to play around the box but can also cover)
Hunter (Big Time Player – Very Unrated if back checks out)
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Moody and Parks struggled with the mental side of the defense. I hope it clicks for any/all of those guys. Too many blown coverages.
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by slumgullion on Feb 14, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They can't regress, then, right?
Personally, i’d like to mix whichever safety demonstrates the most competence/dependability w/ ‘Los. Get his feet wet now. IMO, he’s just too good to keep off the field. But then again, that might not give us the best chance of winning. Who knows, just really wanna see him on the field in a significant capacity. That is IF the coaches determine him not to be a liability for lack of understanding the playbook.
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No they can't regress
Last year was their first year starting, with a completely new D playbook. And S is the most mental D positions. Also, don’t forget the our Safeties were burned most badly in the second half of the season when our DL was gassed and couldn’t bring any pressure.
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Good point.
They’ll certainly have more help from the line this year.
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Fisher says Parks did well repeatedly. Played within the scheme, etc...
I do think Brooks has legit shot of taking some snaps from Parks. Competition is good.
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Our eyeballs say otherwise.
If he’s playing “in the scheme” then he must not have the tools to do it well.
I get that Moody and Brooks were first year starters in new scheme, etc. But they should have been getting better exponentially over the season if experience was the issue.
Safety, imho, is a big concern. If Moody and Parks are starting against OU, or we’re hoping a true freshman can come in and save the day, we’re in trouble.
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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 15, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
unless
the run stopping and pass rush got worse throughout the season due to lack of depth. subsequently exposing the safety’s who came up to help their tired outmanned teammates. they did a decent job in run support as well… at least they brought fear to the opponent. see moody highlights…
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Opponent fear < correct coverage
If I remember correctly, Stoops’ D is about bending, not breaking (no big plays). We want to instill fear if possible, but not at the expense of blowing coverage.
Good point about a tired D-Line. Still, poor coverage is poor coverage.
1st year, peoples.
Zone D scheme is the most difficult for the safeties. Lots of subtleness required in coverage.
I think they’ll be much better year 2.
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Isn't LOS a strong safety?
He’s almost Will sized.
I get confused with Stoops terminology system, but I mean a traditional SS who lines up opposite the TE about 10 yards off and has more run responsibility.
If we go cover three, I’ve heard Joyner may play FS—any truth to that?
It confuses me as well. All I know is LOS will play the same position as Moody.
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Stoops is weird and labels them strangely
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by Bud Elliott on Feb 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
you are weird
and label things strangely
j/k… morning humor
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I think both safety spots are up for grabs.
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Are the corner spots solidified?
Harris was great coming in at nickel, but does he get any looks for starting on the base d?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
Rhodes won't be overtaken
which means Harris would have to beat out Reid. He did look great, but that might be hard to do for a few reasons
Trickett with weight?
What is Trickett weighing in at these days, I know the kid has a neck like Bill Goldberg but has he put on any mass any where else?
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i think he has the neck of this guy instead
maybe he can clone us a Ponder without the injury problems. while hes at it, lets have a couple deion and derrick brooks clones, too.
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This year's spring matchups will make for interesting garnet/gold team selections
I wonder if Jimbo will let the seniors pick the teams again.
Trying to remember the strategy… pick the player with the biggest dropoff to the #2 spot?
Should be interesting choices… You pick Jenkins, and will have to face Carridine.
Other than QB, where’s our biggest dropoff?
OT, just for lack of depth
theres whole lotta question marks behind Datko and Sanders. i would imagine one team will pick one and the other team will immediately pick the other. gotta have a solid LT if you plan on passing.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Unless your QB is a lefty.
And in Secord’s case, he would like a solid RT.
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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 15, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
not in order of importance or anything
TE, Safety(after 1+2), OT(after 1+2), DE (after 1+2)
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But importance goes out the window
when the drop-off is small.
That’s the fun of position battles, both teams might possibly have the better player.
If I’m picking, for the most part, I don’t care who I get at runningback. I’d almost rather get Freeman, just to see what he can do.
interesting thought on the TE
i think Tye is a better option in the passing game than Reliford, but blocking is the opposite. Tank is likely a better blocker than Tye as well, but less of a receiver. the TE has to be connected to the T situation, meaning if you get the 4th available tackle, you will really need that blocker. that means either Reliford or Sessions. the rich get richer there, since your opponent now has a better outside line to handle the DE pass rush, plus you can send the TE on occasion as another receiver.
in my mind, it depends on if you pick first or second, and who is already on the teams. since Datko and Sanders are both seniors, they will likely be captians and be split up. that means you need only one more T. if i have the first pick, i go with EJ. if i have the second pick, and the first pick was EJ, i go with the best option at RT, since that has the least depth compared to importance. you know the backup QB is a bit of a toss up, so save that pick for later.
having picked the tackle you believe will help the most, you can gamble with your TE pick, and either get Reliford, if hes available, or Tye. that wouldnt be the next pick, since you have an option, but it does give you the option. without the solid guy at RT, you must pick either Reliford or Sessions, depending on which is the better blocker (dont know enough about Sessions to know).
otherwise, i think you have to make sure that if the other team snatches up Rhodes, you take the Harris immediately, since he is the most reliable CB after Rhodes. at receiver, you probably want to have at least 1 big (Haulsted/Smith) and 1 small (Reed/Easterling) so it opens up the routes you can run. RB is so deep that you can pick anybody and make it work, but Pryor is the only solid lead blocker, so it may be worth it to pick him early on as well. he doubles as a RB if necessary, so the utility player is worth it to me. DT and DE have a solid 2 deep, so that wont be a huge issue in the early rounds. same with the LBs.
and finally, the FS and SS are already question marks, and the jobs are open, you cant lose too badly getting the second string of either one of them. theres some unproven talent there, but there shouldnt be so big of a talent gap that they likely wont be exposed enough in one short game. i would suggest splitting the starters, since they should play better together than the 2 backups.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Good thoughts
I think CB might be one of the least important picks….meaning the least drop-off. I like the 2-deep for that rotation (Rhodes, Harris, Reid, Joyner)
WR will be an interesting pick. I agree with the one big, but it’ll be interesting to see how the rest of the picks work out. Do you pick the experience with Reed, or the talent with Greene/Shaw? Personally, if you made me pick, I’d take Greene all day, assuming he’s healthy.
i would go with reed second (after haulstead/smith)
then take whichever of green/shaw is available next. remember, you will have at least 3 receivers, so its not a question of which one you pick, but which you pick first.
bert dropped a lot of balls this past season, yes, but that was the anomaly. the year before, he didnt drop one for about 2/3 of the season, and after that there werent even that many, so i dont think that trend will continue into this year. he knows where he needs to be, which makes it especially easy on whichever QB not named EJ is throwing to him. in this situation, i want to have a known to go with the unknown, so you always know you can check down and that guy will be where he is supposed to be every time. he may not be my primary receiver, but its important to have him for consistency.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
few things:
TE: reason why you havent seen Tye catch a pass since whenever. I think Beau has been our best receiving TE and has only recently caught up in the blocking.
Don’t disagree with your first pick; EJ.
I think Harris/Rhodes/Reid are all interchangable more or less. If Reid can’t do punt returns (which he hasnt been able to) thats one thing. But I don’t think there is a HUGE drop off between those three. And i’m not unhappy with Joyner either.
I think if CT is picked, you prick Pryor next, as the next RBs will get you the same. Try to get McCloud early, you must get one of Carradine or Jenkins.
I disagree most about the safeties. How many safeties did you see play meaningful snaps last year? Not many. A reason for that. Beyond Moody and Parks I think its going to be a big drop off.
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the reason we havent seen Tye catch a pass
is because he was a RS, likely to work on his body and blocking. we probably thought it was worth it to keep Reliford playing this season because he improved his blocking, which was more important at this stage than as a receiver. he has had consistent issues with running the correct routes and dropping passes, but the total package was probably enough to hold Tye back a year to get him to a minimum level of proficiency in blocking.
my reason for picking harris next is that i dont want to be left holding the short end of the stick (literally) with 2 5’8" corners. i want a consistent, taller corner on one side, and the other side is interchangeable. not that they are bad, just that i would want some balance to deal with the bigger receivers.
i agree at RB, but i dont think theres so much of a drop off from CT that you really need to pick him early at the possible expense of another position. JT or TJ (and possibly Pryor) will be okay for one game.
we didnt see much out of the safeties because they were young and too prone to mistakes. thats why i said split the starting safeties Parks and Moody. but i think they have been learning enough over the past year to be minimally proficient at the zone defense. athleticism wont see a huge dropoff, its the decision making that concerns me, but i think you can get away with only one of Parks and Moody for one game, especially one with mixed offensive starters.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
after the last signing day
you cant say that anymore
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Take another look at
Tye’s film. He’s damn good reciever
Tye is a freak athlete...
he returned punts in HS (like NOL), etc. but came in very raw. I’m really hoping that he worked hard last year and surprises the hell out of people who haven’t been paying attention to him.
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Is Tye going to be big enough to block a DE next year?
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Depends on the DE
relative to size, the ‘10 roster lists him as 6’3" 230, which means that he should be at least 240 by the ’11 season. Relative to skill, it remains to be seen… his skill is what I was referring to when I said “I hope he worked hard last year”.
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will O'Leary?
they are about the same size right as HS seniors. its not a question of size as much as technique with Tye. smaller guys can chip a DE, and i dont expect either of them to take on a DE with any regularity.
interestingly enough, though, rivals lists him at 6’2", 254. dunno if i believe that, but its possible. then again, i havent seen anything but conjecture to suggest that chad abram suddenly blew up, so it could go either way.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
And if neither have the flexibility by year 2 and 4 in the program, will they ever?
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Change in training program can affect hip flexibility
In William’s case the previous staff didn’t seem to have the expertise to open up hips so I’ll give him another year.
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Agree with CJ
I think the previous staff let williams explode in the weight room. Also headling with the injury early in the season prevent hampered a lot of his flexibility training. I think he’ll be fine.
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That is not outside the realm of possiblity
At the end of the season, Amp was clearly the better player but is that because of the injury? Is JMAC a better 1-Tech then 3-Tech? Part of the reason, JMAC maybe at the 1-T was a lack of depth at that position. No matter where JMAC goes there is no guarantee he starts next year.
The only folk IMHO on the DL who aren’t in a position battle are Jenkins and Dawkins but even that could change.
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He's not a 3, and Jenkins/Dawkins have nothing to worry about--they start unless injured, period.
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There has been talk of him moving back to 3-T due so he can rely more on his speed and hand placement. He seems to be having a tough time taking on the double team.
I believe he originally played 3T in Freshmen year.
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He doesn't have the length to threaten the outside shoulder of the strongside guard....
Unfortunately, he’s a ’tweener due to skill set/body. I still say he has All-Conference ability if he puts it together.
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We already had this discussion before in a thread that earned me multiple green posts.
Amp is already the better 1-tech overall……but J-Mac has speed & agility advantages.
To sum it up, if it’s a spread-to-pass or heavy outside run team, I want J-Mac because of his pursuit.
If it’s a pro-style or inside run heavy team, I want Amp because Jaccobi simply cannot handle the physical demands of a 1-tech. Right now.
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Already has imo.
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