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1st and a Mile: A Look at 1st year Defensive Coordinators

The 2010 college football regular season featured 23 new head coaches and staffs (defensive coordinators in parentheses): Florida State (Mark Stoops), UVa (Jim Reid) , Kansas (Carl Torbush), Texas Tech (James Willis), Cincinnati (Tim Banks / Jon Jancek), Louisville (Vance Bedford), USF (Mark Snyder), ECU (Brian Mitchell), Marshall (Chris Rippon), Memphis (Jay Hopson), Notre Dame (Bob Diaco), Akron (Curt Mallory), Buffalo (William Inge), Central Michigan (Joe Tumpkin), UNLV (Kraig Paulson), USC (Monte Kiffin), Kentucky (Steve Brown), Tennessee (Justin Wilcox), Vanderbilt (Bruce Fowler), UL-Monroe (Troy Reffert), Western Kentucky (vacant), La. Tech (Tommy Spangler) and San Jose State (Kent Baer).

In addition, there were 20 programs that unveiled new defensive coordinators: Georgia Tech (Al Groh), Georgia (Todd Grantham), Arizona (Bill Bedenbaugh / Greg Brown), Stanford (Vic Fangio), Cal (Clancy Pendergast), Illinois (Vic Koenning), Duke, (Jim Knowles), FAU (Kurt Van Valkenburgh), Nevada (Andy Buh), UTEP (Andre Patterson), FIU (Geoff Collins), Ball State (Jay Hood), UF (Teryl Austin), Miss. St. (Manny Diaz), Middle Tennessee St. (Randall McCray), Houston (Brian Stewart), Boise State (Pete Kwiatkowski), Eastern Michigan (Phil Snow), Western Michigan, and Texas A&M (Tim DeRuter). That's quite a bit of turnover. But such is the life in the modern day pay-for-play (no offense, Cam), admin-eat-coach world.

So how did the 1st year DCs do? We'll look at a statical comparison of the each BCS / mid-major team's defense, and then look at the change in defensive ranking from 2009 to 2010 to see who is working some magic and who might end up working the street corner.

Wait for it...and...the jump.

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The table to the right is a composite of all 2010 BCS teams plus Boise State and Nevada that featured a new defensive coordinator for the 2010 season. The two columns are defensive F/+ rank and the defensive strength of schedule (FEI-based) to get a feel for the quality of offenses faced. The table has been sorted by Def F/+ ranking.

For reference, the F/+ metric is a combination of FEI and S&P ratings (give them a click). FEI is a Brian Fremau creation which adjusts for, in other things, garbage time and clock-kills. The S&P Ratings are based on 3 categories:

  1. Success Rate - 50% of necessary yardage on 1st down, 70% on 2nd down, and 100% on 3rd and 4th downs.
  2. Equivalent Points Per Play - an explosiveness measure derived from determining the point value of every yard line
  3. Opponent Adjustments - Ultimately - this is a schedule-based adjustment designed to reward tougher schedules and punish weaker ones.

Boise State and Mississippi State headline the list, with Dan Mullen's team actually playing a tough schedule and Boise State playing one challenging opponent (VT) and giving away a game to a fraudulent team (Nevada). Having said that - earning the #1 Def. F/+ position while playing the 90th ranked offenses means they pummeled just about every team they played. The old adage here: Good teams destroy bad teams.

A simple average of Def. F/+ shows a 50th overall defensive ranking, or about the 42nd percentile of all 120 FBS teams. A ranking stronger than the median team number makes sense here; most are in good conferences that aim to hire accordingly. Florida State comes in at 11th out of 25 on this list with the 41st overall ranked defense. FSU jumped from 48th to 41st after their USC bowlgame performance.

Now let's compare how teams with new defensive coordinators compared to the year previous. (Defensive SOS unavailable for 2009 season).

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The table to the left shows defensive F/+ ranking in 2009, 2010, the net change in ranking, and the amount of defensive starters returned for teams featuring a new defensive coordinator in 2010.

We see a very wide range in the net change. The mean of the teams is slightly positive (+2 ranks), the standard error is about 42 ranks. Basically, there is a wide variety of outcomes of defensive performances under a new defensive coordinator.

Stanford (+82), Illinois (+70), and Texas A&M (+56) showed amazing improvements under their respective first year DCs. FSU featured the 5th most improved defense (41 rank improvement) of the group, outperforming in-conference opponents Duke (-6), Georgia Tech (-13), and UVA (-70). Al Groh's 3-4 defensive implementation at GT is going to take some time, but you can't fault his defensive units from his days at UVa.

The correlation between starters returning and defensive performance has long been speculated. Recently, a study shows that a defensive unit's FEI ranking improves by +3.0 positions for each additional defensive starter that returns. Check out the MGOblog report here. Upper-classmen heavy defenses are in general bigger, stronger, and more versed in a particular system.

We can do our own correlation study here amongst first year DCs using everyone's favorite open-source statistical analysis software, R. The data is here. Feel free to follow along and mess around with a great piece of software!

> test=read.csv("test.csv",T); head(test)

We have to do a little prep work to get the data ready for testing. We must convert the "f." ranking to a normal random variable.

> test$f.norm=qnorm((test$f.-.5)/120)

Check. We will now do a Pearson Product-moment correlation test here between the normalized 2010 Def. F/+ ranking ("f.norm") and the # of defensive starters that returned for the 2010 season.

> cor.test(test$f.norm,test$starters)

Pearson's product-moment correlation

data: test$f.norm and test$starters
t = -2.9484, df = 22, p-value = 0.00743
alternative hypothesis: true correlation is not equal to 0
95 percent confidence interval:
-0.7702325 -0.1640060
sample estimates:
cor
-0.5321931

We see a nice (and significant) negative correlation. This makes sense with the theory: More starters returning, lower (better) Def. F/+ ranking.

But is there a relationship between the Net Change in F/+ and # of starters returning? That is, how much improvement in ranking under new DCs can be attributed to the number of starters they inherit? We can test this, too.

> cor.test(test$net,test$starters)

Pearson's product-moment correlation

data: test$net and test$starters
t = 1.3561, df = 22, p-value = 0.1888
alternative hypothesis: true correlation is not equal to 0
95 percent confidence interval:
-0.1414964 0.6125210
sample estimates:
cor
0.2777543

The relationship is positive (more starters returning inherited --> higher net improvement) as we might expect, but it is not significant.

Boise State returned 10 defensive starters from their 11th ranked D F/+ defense in 2009 and produced the top-ranked D F/+ defense this year. Conversely, East Carolina lost 9 defensive starters from their 2009 CUSA championship team and plummeted to 118th.

But what about a team like Georgia Tech? GT fired Dave Wommack and brought in former-UVA head coach Al Groh and his 3-4 system for 2010. However, even with 9 returning starters GT managed to drop 13 places, near the bottom 1/3 of FBS teams with new DCs.

Another aberration is FSU. Of teams with new defensive coordinators, FSU tied for returning the 2nd fewest starters with USF (ECU lost 8 starters heading into the 2010 season). However, even with only 4 returning starters FSU improved 47 spots (from 88th to 41st). ECU lost 9 starters to FSU's 8 and their DC (FSU's LB and DCIW Greg Hudson), and plummeted to near the bottom in the country.  There are a few things in play here for FSU, as TN readers know. FSU was not as bad, talent-wise, as 2009's 88th D F/+ ranking indicated. FSU also suffered from being out-coached and out-schemed.

So, what are the takeaways from this?

  • There's a pretty big variance in how teams with new DCs fared. This can attributed to coaching ability, player receptivity, number of starters returned, quality of talent (not analyzed here).
  • The # of starters and Defensive F/+ ranking are very nicely correlated, which corroborates previous research. However, improvements in Defensive F/+ ranking aren't very well explained by the number of starters returning. Upperclassmen leadership is important, but in a new system it can also be a detriment (i.e., old habits are hard to break).
  • FSU under Mark Stoops demonstrated the 5th biggest leap amongst 1st-year DC teams, improving 47 spots.
  • The 2011 FSU defense will feature 9 returning starters (compared to 2010's 4). According to the MGOblog analysis, that could result in a 15-rank improvement (~32nd). According to many of our opinions, that is probably extremely conservative, given that much of your youth is located along the defensive line and still physically maturing.

Sources:

-OneBarrelRum for vetting DC list

-Wikipedia for new coaches in 2010

-Ted Miller (@ESPN_Pac10) for info on Pac-10 teams

- Info on returning starters from Phil Steele

- For more on how to use R, check out this tutorial / walk-through made by Jim Elsner, PhD (Florida State University)

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I have forgotten all my R training! Thanks for the breakdown, it was most informative. Wonder if we’ll continue to make big strides in year #2…

by StM on Feb 22, 2011 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

Wow at Stanford

Would love to know which teams switched schemes (4-3 to 3-4) or had major defensive philosophy overhaul, like FSU.

by BenDNole on Feb 22, 2011 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Georgia, Georgia Tech for sure

And they both had technically worse defenses than what they fielded in ’09. First year very hard switch.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

4-3 to a 3-4 is a bigger change than...

going from a man based scheme to a zone based scheme. I would expect a team switching fronts to struggle much more unless they happen to have just the right front 7 guys lying around.

by Iota1410 on Feb 23, 2011 7:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome Stuff/Excellent Work.

I’m the entire returning two-deep (that is to say what does a team lose form 1st string and key reserves) has at least some to do with a team maintaining or getting better the following season. A lot of teams rely on seniors for 2nd string. Lose those AND the starters, a team has problems. Good news for FSU—don’t loose much of either—starters or second string. And all, especially on the defensive line, should be bigger and stronger.

Calling it right now, top 15 in defense.

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by onebarrelrum on Feb 22, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

dang it

*I’m SURE the entire….

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by onebarrelrum on Feb 22, 2011 4:47 PM EST reply actions  

::grandiose bow::

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Make a Menudo rap song and you've got it.

I feel more like I do now, than I did before

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by HaveNoleOption on Feb 23, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Ummmmm..........I don't know any Menudo songs.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 24, 2011 4:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well done

I don’t think it is at all unreasonable to think that we will finish next season in the top 20 in F/+.

Just adding the depth on the defensive line will have a big impact on our 1st down success score. We went from 117th in 2009 to 55th in 2010 in terms of yards allowed per first down, but there is still a lot of room for improvement.

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by fsu44 on Feb 22, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

how we do feel about the offenses in 2011

Oklahoma will be elite, UF better probably, Miami prob the same, Clemson prob a little better, the rest no great shakes…just curious how the schedule of offenses we will face stacks up next year

by NicktheNole on Feb 23, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

BC should be better. Can't be worse, right?

UMD the same or better. NC State worse. Wake, Duke, Virginia…who knows.

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by tricknole on Feb 25, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Great work, thanks

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by NOLE09JON on Feb 22, 2011 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

Did this double as a final project in your stats class?

Great work. Technical but also understandable. I think our D will finish just inside 25 D F+ next year.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Feb 22, 2011 6:11 PM EST reply actions  

sadly, no.

I did email my stats professor/mentor this article. During my Master’s he helped me understand that I needed to convert rankings to a normally distributed distribution.

I hang out with statisticians; I don’t pretend to be one, though. Their light bulbs have a wee bit more wattage than mine does.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I learned S-Plus from him in grad school….real good guy.

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by El Soro on Feb 22, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm working on my PhD here in Geography

E-man is my major prof. Might be one of the brightest scientific minds I’ve ever come across. Bob Hart (FSU Meteo.) is up there.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2011 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Bob Hart is crazy smart...

I’ve got friends that will swear to you that Bob helped write GrADS. Im in the met program at FSU and did some undergraduate work for him. Crazy smart. Rico send me an email, I wanted to send you a pm but didn’t see your email listed at the bottom.

by fsugrizz on Feb 23, 2011 3:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone have any explanatory info on the top turnaround teams--

Stanford, Ill, ND, TA&M? I wonder if there’s a common thread among them or a small cluster of elements that explain their amazing performance.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Feb 22, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

Harbaugh did hire all NFL guys for his coaching staff

Muschamp has brought in a bunch of NFL guys at UF, too.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 22, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a pretty significant difference between the Super Bowl DC (fired or not) and a former 49ers DT with no coaching experience.

I think that UF will have VASTLY better coaching then last year, but they will see no FSU like turnaround.

What has happened within the FSU football program in the last 14 months is an anomaly not covered by any precedent or statistic.

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by DRusso97 on Feb 23, 2011 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Great write up, it's good to know that FSU is headed in the right direction.

I am curious on how Illinois was ranked so high defensively this year? If I can remember correctly they gave up something like 67 against Michigan and 37 against an awful Minnesota team in back to back weeks.

by mn nole on Feb 22, 2011 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Nice work

I’m a little surprised how significant the relationship is between # returning starters and rank and that the linear relationship isn’t stronger. I’d like to see a graph of the data points (maybe logarithmic?).

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 22, 2011 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure if I've got the syntax right

but it looks like he converted the F/+ rankings to values between 0 and 1 (divided them by 120) and left the # returning starters as is. I tried it using the data and the strongest trend is logarithmic with R squared value of 0.3006. So, not really logarithmic either.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 23, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

between -2.638 and +2.037

> range(test$f.norm)

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by ricobert1 on Feb 23, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve now gone with a linear regression model instead of just a correlation test.

Y= -7.769 * (# of starters returned) + 101.238
(p = 0.05)

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by ricobert1 on Feb 23, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

FSU way out-performed the model

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by ricobert1 on Feb 23, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Top 5 outperformers
South Florida (43)
Stanford (40)
Mississippi State (33)
Illinois (30)
Florida State (+29)

Top 5 underperformers
UVa. (-52)
GT (-46)
ECU (-40)
Kentucky (-31)
Duke (-30)

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by ricobert1 on Feb 23, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha, is Illinois the label-less dot?

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by tricknole on Feb 25, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Anyway you look at it, Stoops and his new Defense made great strides. The linear model doesn’t sit well with me, but I’m having trouble coming up with a better alternative.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 23, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

Limited sample size, sure there is noise in there

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by ricobert1 on Feb 23, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Discrete dependent variable makes it difficult.

Perhaps if there were a method to rate each returning starter on a continuous scale (other than bean counting). Maybe factoring in position importance, previous performance, etc.? Might help to separate all the bunched up folks around the 5-8 range.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 23, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I think this is part of the problem

Star power seems to be very relevant here. What would you expect to correlate with a higher FEI rank? Returning 5 4-5 star players or returning 10 2-3 star players? Because of this, I like the idea of coming up with a rating of returning players instead of just using the #. Such a thing would be possible by looking at their rank coming out of high school (although it would take a LOT of work). As you mentioned, you could also include position importance (although it would be hard to objectively rate such a thing) or previous performance (maybe go by some of the individual stat categories on cfbstats.com – again a LOT of work).

by MWM Nole on Feb 24, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

This makes me think about another relevant factor

What would you expect to correlate with a higher FEI rank? Bama returning 5 players or E. Michigan returning 10 players? Obviously this also has something to do with recruiting, but programs like Bama also have better coaching, better facilities, and bigger home field advantages – things that will make a returning starter more effective than a returning starter lacking them. The problem is, how do you control for program? That was one thing I liked about the mgo article – using change in rank instead of rank accounts for these things at least to some extent.

by MWM Nole on Feb 24, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Oops, meant "independent". Both discrete. So...oh well.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 24, 2011 5:13 AM EST up reply actions  

um maybe Im drunk but

Miss ST, ND and Stanford seem to be the most impressive to me. Also I think it should be said about ECU how much they have fallen. And to think all we did was take there DC for a asst. pos and not a DC spot. Dont know if that makes scene but to see how much they drop. I dont want to say our def. improving is all because of Mr Stoops. I feel we need to look at the bigger pic here. Just because hes the DC dont mean he should get all the credit.

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by Desman on Feb 23, 2011 6:40 AM EST reply actions  

That makes scene to me!

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by GonzoNole on Feb 23, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Stoops.

Why not give him the credit. If the defense were playing terribly, he would get all the blame.

by duval.nole on Feb 23, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

this

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by ricobert1 on Feb 23, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Not only are we due, but we will play harder than the other teams and we have more heart.

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by FrankDNole on Feb 23, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Ouch! Too much thinking makes my head hurt...

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by BossNole on Feb 23, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

CTC... is that you?

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by BossNole on Feb 24, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

...because we're Florida State!

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 24, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

We were 1 player away

So which one was it? Rhodes is my pick…if only he hadn’t redshirted…

by bdahern on Feb 23, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

All I needed was the post picture...

All the other stuff, I did in my head. #scratchPaperIsForLosers

by ryandinho on Feb 23, 2011 9:29 AM EST reply actions  

Stoops and FSU are impressive

But even as an FSU fan, I looked at this article and came away with more respect for Tim DeRuyter, Manny Diaz, and Vic Koenning than I had before. I always thought Koenning got sort of a raw deal at Clemson (not that Steele wasn’t an upgrade) and am impressed with what he did at Illinois. DeRuyter is legit for sure after what he did at both AFA and now A&M. Same for Diaz with MTSU and MSU.

All that being said, I think Stoops worked wonders last year, as did the rest of the D staff, and think the best is obviously still to come. Am really excited to see what some of these guys can do with two springs and summers worth of practice under their belts.

by TomRob on Feb 23, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

I'm wondering what the difference would show between teams that fired their DC

and those that had to replace them with one that was hired elsewhere (or promoted to HC if there were any). There are two extremely different ways DC jobs come open.

You might expect teams that “fired” their DC like FSU to improve because theoretically they were already under acheiving, where at a place like ECU, you might expect them to drop because in a sense, they had a coordinator that was superior for his position.

Certainly that has to play a part in predicting things.

by LouC on Feb 23, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Nice work ricobert

Real nice to see how much our defense has improved after the trainwreck it was in 2009. I’m hoping for a top 20-30 ranking this year, and then leap into elite status in 2012.

by Matt Champion on Feb 23, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

More correlation

Great job Rico. I think this study could be furthered by including the reason for the change. A program replacing a coordinator for poor performance should expect more improvement than a program replacing a coordinator that took a promotion. Illinois, FSU, or Louisville vs Florida, Cincinati, or Tennessee.

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by TBfisherman on Feb 23, 2011 11:50 AM EST reply actions  

Fantastic Analysis

Thanks for the hard work you put into this!

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by BookemDanole on Feb 23, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Humbly Lost

//shrugs shoulders

“Good work, I think”

This is what I love about TN, by the way – mad statistical mojo to confirm that defenses are better with returning starters. I just wish I was more familiar with the statistical language. Keep on doing what you do, playa.

by Geoff33rpm on Feb 23, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

DCIW?

That’s not official is it?

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by SeminoleMike on Feb 23, 2011 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

Nope, I'm just being bullish

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by ricobert1 on Feb 23, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Just checkin’ in case I missed something. It would probably be a good idea.

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by SeminoleMike on Feb 23, 2011 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

Is that Jenije in the photo?

Jenije: “I went that way because—”
Stoops: “But he went THAT way, so you go that way.”

by Invictus13 on Feb 23, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Go get me Clint.

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by FrankDNole on Feb 23, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you serious with this article??? HAHA wow - Great stuff!

Great work Rico, not enough people can thank you.

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by BostonNole on Feb 23, 2011 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

Rico tremendous tremendous job

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