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Will FSU's Offense Change now that E.J. Manuel is Under Center?

 The era of E.J. is about to begin at FSU, and I along with many FSU fans are very excited. After three years of having an excellent quarterback in Christian Ponder at the helm, it is time for E.J. to show us why he was one of the top quarterbacks in the nation in 2008. FSU fans have already seen glimpses of E.J.'s potential the last two seasons as he filled in for Ponder during the stretch run in 2009 that concluded with a Gator Bowl win in Coach Bowden's final game, and this season in which he started the Clemson game, the ACC Championship game, and most of the Chick-Fil-A Bowl victory over SEC runner-up South Carolina. Now E.J. finally gets his chance to be the full-time starter at FSU.

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  This begs the question, how will the offense be different now that E.J. is the starter? The offense will be different in that Coach Fisher will, at least early in the season, tweak the offense so that E.J.'s strengths are magnified and the weaknesses are minimized. In watching E.J.'s highlight film from this year ,one conclusion that can be reached from the video that he excels at the designed quarterback runs.   This is because he is like our running backs in that he has good vision, finds a hole quickly, and commits to it. Whether it was an option play, a QB draw or sweep, or a zone-read play E.J. ran them extremely well. These plays I believe will become staples of our playbook next season as Coach Fisher will likely mix these plays in with the traditional zone running plays in order to establish the running game. 

One could also conclude that FSU will use more rollout plays . These plays are great for a quarterback like E.J. because of his running ablility,  accuracy with the sideline throws and throwing on the run, and they could not only wear the defense down but also open up the running lanes by stretching the defense.  We could even see some deep rollouts like the one E.J. pulled off in the Clemson game that was one of the biggest offensive plays of the game.  In speaking of the deep pass, I believe FSU will call more deep passing plays next season because of E.J.'s arm strength and to keep the defense honest.

The underlying conclusion of this article is that Coach Fisher will look to keep E.J. moving in order to generate offense, similar to how Charlie Ward was used in 1993. This is not to say E.J. can't drop back and toss the ball over the field because he has shown his ablility to do so, I just believe Coach Fisher will do what has mentioned above to get E.J. comfortable with being the full-time starter and until he can trust E.J. with checking the offense into the right play. This will be especially evident in the early part of the season when we play OU and Clemson. However, I do believe Coach Fisher will give E.J. more freedom when he becomes comfortable running the offense like Ponder ran it when he was the starter. I have full confidence E.J. can become as good as Ponder and perhaps even better.  Here's to having another elite offense in 2011. Go Noles!!!

This is my first fan post so I welcome all feedback positive AND negative so I can become a better writer.

 

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well then

I think we would go back to throwing Bubbles with this to make CB stay out so they cant support the run. Also I think we can now use the TE to attack the SS so they cant run up agents the runs. Play action roll-outs/bootlegs with more crossing with the TE and a wheel with the Slot. There is so much that they can do its just finding what fits with EJ and how well he picks up the other Def. If ponder tough him anything its how to read a Def.

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by Desman on Feb 28, 2011 12:22 AM EST reply actions  

Not sure you've been here that long

But we don’t comment on Des’s spelling/punctuation/grammar. He’s probably commenting from a bunker in an unknown location, and it’s not that he misspells, it’s more likely that shrapnel is hitting the keyboard and causing issues.

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by Desman on Mar 10, 2011 5:36 AM EST up reply actions  

A) nice article

2) it was 2007 not 2008 when he was one of the est qb in the country 2008 was his RS year
D) i doubt the offense would change much, he would probably throw deep balls more often as we saw against clemson,, ut by the time the fall cames i think he would have a great understanding of the offense remember he has been in the program for 3 years now but never participate in spring practice due to injuries, and thats one of the reason he is not totally confortable with the offense
green) the offense we run is the offense jimbo likes to run and is the offense he recuted ej to play in so why he would change any of that? for me it would be a middle point between 2008 and 2009 as q goes because manuel would bail on the play some times too early as ponder did in 2008 but not as often as he did, neither he would have complete control of the offense as ponder did on 2009.

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by ColombianNole on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the comment ColombianNole

I probably should have mentioned this, but the change I am talking about is running more plays catered to E.J.’s strengths along with the regular offense.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

thank you fo rthe article

and maybe its implied in the article is just that im almost asleep but saw and thought its an interesting topic, I should have wait til the morning to read well enough

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by ColombianNole on Feb 28, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

No problem CN

I should of clarified what I meant by change more.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 12:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Just because its the offense Jimbo runs doesn't mean EJ runs the same plays as well as Ponder nor did Ponder

run some of the same plays as well as EJ. No system is a plug and play unless you want to become stagnant and predictable. Cater your offense to the strength of your players. No the offense won’t change. We will still be very multiple and balanced via the pass and run, however the type of plays could change and should change. EJ is a considerable upgrade running the option and will force teams to respect his ability to run and play 11 on 11

by fsugrizz on Feb 28, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for your comment fsugrizz

see my reply to ColombianNole as how the offense will change. On the option, would much rather E.J. run the option than Ponder.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

One big thing with Ponder is that

we had E.J. behind him in case something went wrong. That gave the coaches the confidence to use more designed qb runs.

If the defense is much better, and the running game is strong. Expect to see us focus on the run with occasional play action. The happiest Fisher was all season was after the 8 minute plus grind out against BC.

Finally, E.J. was better at finding the backs, so we might see the number catches by running backs going up.

by gambelero3 on Feb 28, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect the defense to continue

to get better. How good our running game is depends on who steps up and fills the voids left by Hudson and McMahon’s departure. I’m real excited about Fahrenkrug and believe he will make an impact at guard just like Mike Harris did this year at DB. Center is the postion I’m the most worried about filling on the o-line. It would not be a bad idea to have Spurlock fill the void, but he is a one-year solution to the problem. Does Stork fill the void or does Lovelady step up and seize the job as a true freshman? I guess we will have to wait and see, anyway thank you for commenting.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 11:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Whoever replaces Hudson is a downgrade. Whoever replaces McMahon is a talent upgrade....even if it's Lovelady.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 1, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't replace a lineman

like Rodney Hudson. He rarely, if ever, made
a mistake and was dominant in run and pass protection. However, if there is a guy that can step up and replace him well it’s Fahrenkrug. What I will miss about McMahon is his mental ability and mastery of the line calls. I do agree that whoever replaces him from a talent standpoint will be better. If Fahrenkrug lives up to his billing, and either Stork or Lovelady fills the position of center well then we will be just fine on the o-line. Btw thank you for reading and commenting DRusso97.

by Matt Champion on Mar 1, 2011 10:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My pleasure. Good 1st article.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 2, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

I think Lovelady is a pretty smart kid, which, coupled with his size, may be why Trick likes him at the C position.

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by CornNole on Mar 3, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for commenting CornNole

My next post will be about the center position.

by Matt Champion on Mar 4, 2011 11:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good points Desman

E.J can read a defense, but can he do it at Ponder’s level yet? I believe he can, but it will take some time. Thanks for the comment.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

Awesome post.

With the rotating running backs and a true running QB I am very excited about next year. With us building a huge line to go along with the great running game, We are gonna ram the ball down their throats next year. And when they try to stack the box against us. E J will let it fly down the field. Gonna be a good year.

by stop drop & nole on Feb 28, 2011 2:21 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you stop drop & nole

For the comment. I share your excitement for next year. Once E.J. gets truly comfortable with the offense, he will be a nightmare to gameplan for.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 9:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i like the way ej

gets his pad level low in the hole and makes defenders guess where he will come out… additionally he is low enough to deliver the blow if a safety enters the same hole he explodes through.
now, i dont want my qb delivering/receiving blows every play, but with Ej playing over 235lbs should hopefully (knock on wood) ignite a top 10 rushing attack in ’11.

if then the defense cheats up to stop the option run…. boom, check down bubble or watch out deep ball!

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by 939909 on Feb 28, 2011 6:57 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the comment 939909

I would like to think of E.J. as a pro-style Cam Newton.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 9:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Interesting.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 1, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

EJ will be asked to run

that’s for sure. However, it does concern me that he has no proven backup like Ponder did. Also, if Clint is his backup and EJ ever gets bannged up, our offense will be forced to switch styles with fewer qb runs.

by FSU PHD on Feb 28, 2011 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly...

I’d say I’m cautiously optimistic about how explosive our offense can be with EJ under center. But please, please slide EJ!!!

by FOshizzleFSU on Feb 28, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I like that FSU has tough QB’s but tough can also get you injured i.e. Ponder.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 9:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for the comment FSU PHD

We were lucky to have had Manuel as experienced as he was. If E.J. were to go down, let’s hope it’s not serious and a game that we are guaranteed to win.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

While I agree

I really think that is par for the course in college football. Only a handful of teams can actually feel comfortable if their #1 QB goes down. EJ was a luxury last year, but that is not something we should ever get used to. Almost all teams will be screwed and need to tweak the offense if the starter goes down.

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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 28, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right

that we will probably never have a backup as experienced as E.J. was. However, I’m confident CJF will have Trickett ready to play even if Manuel were to down.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 9:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think

that CJF should play “Trick-it” some during the first 2 I-AA games. Give him some time under center. EJ really shouldn’t be at risk there, anyway. And please give T some garbage time! I could not see why Ponder was nearly always in there, to the end.

by DrNole on Mar 3, 2011 1:15 AM EST up reply actions  

There was some speculation that E.J.

was banged up last season, which is why Ponder may have had to stay in longer than expected. I’m sure Trickett will get playing time against ULM and Charleston Southern. Thank you for commening DrNole.

by Matt Champion on Mar 4, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think the option was run pretty often in the

games EJ was forced to start this year because Jimbo wanted to keep it simple for him. I could see roll outs and things like naked bootlegs to get EJ in space but I wouldnt be surprised if we see very little option. It’s just a free pass to kill the QB even if he pitches it and EJ doesnt need to run option to beat a team with his feet. In spots I guess its ok but I hope its not a staple. The “Wildercat” would also be a way to save the hits on EJ in short yardage situations. I hope to see less designed QB runs this year and more runs by our talented stable of backs. EJ’s runs need to come out of plays that are pass first.

by cerebralfish on Feb 28, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you for your comment cerebralfish

The option is the play I hope we run the least out of all those plays, I see us running more zone-read and QB draws. However, I do
believe once E.J. is more comfortable with the offense, we will see him running less.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 10:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think we'll be taking more shots down field

(A) Improved and tall receivers
(2) I’d imagine opposing defenses playing shallow this year to stop the FSU running game
(D) And of course, EJ is not hurt, and has a fantastic deep ball (its so deceptive coming out of his hand; you’d barely know he was about to chuck it 50 yards)

I do not think they will use his feet like they did Ponder because (A) there is no respectable back-up at this point. Jimbo will certainly have the plays there, but (2) Ponder’s injury were in a large part due to the fact that we HAD to run him. I do not see this being the case over the next 2 years.

by Trus1te on Feb 28, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks for the comment Trust1te

I really hope we throw the deep ball more often, it’s good to have a QB who can chuck it 50 yards. My predicition is that we will run E.J. a good bit early on in the season, then decrease it as the season goes on. Hope we have a WilderCat formation like cerebral fish talked about.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not so sure Jimbo calls more designed QB runs this year.

A) We have plenty of proven backs (and depth) to run the ball.
2) We DO NOT have a proven back-up QB. If EJ goes down, who steps in? (Granted, I do think EJ is bigger and stronger physically than Ponder was.)
d) With a talented, proven backfield and EJ behind center, teams will ASSUME that FSU will run more. Thus, they will be stacking the box. That should open things up for EJ to chuck it.

Pending the status of the o-line, I think Jimbo will call the same kind of offense he has always called. However, I think EJ will have to work on his short passing game. That’s probably how opposing defenses will try to make EJ beat them.

by FSUjab on Feb 28, 2011 10:36 AM EST reply actions  

I completely agree

E.J. needs to work on the short to intermediate passing game because as you mentioned that is how teams will make E.J. beat them, but at the same time I can’t see Jimbo abandoning the designed QB run entirely just because E.J. does it so well He’ll call it if he gets the matchup he wants. Though I believe we will see less of it when E.J. gets more comfortable with the offense. Thanks for the comment FSUjab.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The most intriguing question in my mind at this time

Is how much audible power Jimbo will give EJ. Will he give him 3 plays and let him check into the correct one like he did with 7, or will his choices be more limited? We shall see.

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by DKfromVA on Feb 28, 2011 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

The spring will tell a lot.

IMO that’s most biggest problem created by losing CP7. Will he be allowed to check at the line and if so, will he make the right check? He has experience which lessens his learning curve; however, being able to go through a full spring is key.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 28, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree

FloridaStateJay. I deff. believe he can do it though, you know E.J. was one of four FSU players to make the All-ACC academic team?

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He definitely has the mental capacity to do it.

But how soon will he excel at it? I think that’s why a lot of people point to 2012 as a potential championship season for us as opposed to 2011.

I hope he’s Manningesque as of March 21.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 28, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe the answer to this question

will be found in the first two games we play. Since we are playing cupcakes the first two games, I believe Jimbo will test E.J. and give him three plays to see if he checks us into the right one. If he does well, E.J. will get some freedom at the line versus OU. If not, then E.J. will be heavily protected.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good article, MC12

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by ricobert1 on Feb 28, 2011 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you Ricobert1

I was really nervous as to how this article
would be received.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's good stuff.

Keep writing.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 28, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

On the run

EJs throw to Kenny Shaw against WF last year was sick. Cant wait to see more of that. I am sure HCJF will mix it up alot now that EJ is THE man. Always loved Ponder but was also very excited to have such a talent in waiting. Scary how good he could be.

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by Dcubbienole on Feb 28, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

I hope E.J. becomes so good

that opposing defensive coordinators have to sleep in their offices the week they play FSU. Thanks for the comment DCubbienole

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That throw to Shaw

was an easy read. He was wide open the play before. It was basically just make sure you don’t miss him, because they were leaving him wide open.

by ct10h on Mar 2, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

and its hard to miss

aim for the back pylon. it gives you a corner to throw it to, which means no anticipating where the receiver will be. sorry, but it was a hideous throw that landed in a nice spot.

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by nole07 on Mar 2, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The more beat up ponder got, the less I was enamored with a offense that relies on a running QB.

EJ is not built like Tebow or Newton and cannot take a constant beating. I cringe to think what would happen if he gets dinged up.

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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 28, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

Are you sure?

I thought EJ was 6’4 235-240.

by FTSNole on Feb 28, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But you would agree that EJ is bigger (and likely stronger) than Ponder right?

I’m not saying I like an offense with a running QB, but there are distinct advantages of having that as an option.

by FSUjab on Feb 28, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Looking at E.J. running the ball

The first part of the season we use it fairly often but not enough to where the defense can key on it and put him at risk for injury. We’ll use it less and less as the season goes on and he gets more comfortable in the offense.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

The key word is relies. If that’s the foundation of the O, I don’t want it. If it’s apart of the O that must be respected, I’ll take it.

I don’t want to see 6+ QB options per game. My nerves can’t take it.

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by Jamil Dawson on Feb 28, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes running a lot of option would not be good

for the nerves of any FSU fan, especially when our backup hasn’t taken a snap.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I understand not wanting your quaterback to take a constant beating, but still..

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Sure, there are games on the schedule where he might not need to run at all. But let’s say we’re in a dogfight with Clemson. I mean, you have to use every weapon that you have, don’t you? And what kind of message would it send to the team if you didn’t?

Having a quaterback who can run is a HUGE weapon. I think you use that weapon as much as you need to to win. That’s what Fisher did with Ponder, and I’m sure he’ll do the same with E.J.

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by SeminoleMike on Mar 4, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree SeminoleMike

CJF kept calling the QB running plays bc it seemed like they were the only plays that would work against Clemson. Although I do think they will be called less now that we have no proven backup.

by Matt Champion on Mar 4, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't know if anyone noticed

but in an interview a few days ago, Fisher basically said he wouldn’t hesitate to have designated runs for Manuel. Observed that QBs aren’t typically hurt on designated runs, rather the most common QB injuries happen when the QB is hit while throwing the ball or during follow through of a pass.

Or in the case of Ponder in ‘09, while trying to tackle a defender after throwing an interception ;-) (my observation, not Fisher’s)

by Wild@Heart Nole on Mar 12, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

CJF Offense won’t change

but the plays he calls and the concepts he works on will. He will certainly look to utilize EJ’s mobility as much as possible and as a 4th year Junior he will have full use of the playbook. EJ will have a large amount of input on plays he likes as well. What players he like for certain routes and combinations ect. What our Nole’s will do for sure is give everyone we play next year numerous match up problems! With the combination of size on the outside and quickness in the slot and the versatility of our TE’s and RB’s in the passing game, we could be really dangerous. One example would be… Benjamin and Smith split wide, O’Leary in the Slot, Realford in tight with Thomas coming out of the backfield. Who are you going to double? Do you want 5 DB’s on the field? You got 3 guys 6’5 or better that don’t even have to be open to get the ball! :) And that’s just one of many! CJF is going to have lot’s a fun!!

by FSUALLTHEDAMNTIME! on Feb 28, 2011 3:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Solid points FSUATDT

Thanks for the read and comment.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 6:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Our Offense

will give the defense fits next year. If we can stretch the field with our fastest receivers down field, meaning the O-Line can give EJ time, it will be a huge advantage over our recent offenses because of EJ’s arm and our developing O-Line. We have steadily increased the size and athleticism of our receivers, our backs are great, we should have a better year on the offense on paper. Like many before have commented, I too am very concerned about EJ carrying the rock into the interior line and when he does…..SLIDE!!!!!

Great post, I was wondering when the topic was going to come up.

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by LaxNole on Feb 28, 2011 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for the comment and

encouragement LaxNole. I completely agree our offense could give opposing D’s nightmares. The key is having continuity and health on the o-line.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I know he should slide...

… but man is it cool to watch him push through guys. In the SC game after a big run he stiff armed the defender coming at him. He was pushed out anyway, but it was nice to see him try to go for more. Again, I understand the logic of staying healthy and not taking risks but it is fun to watch him be physical.

by stop drop & nole on Feb 28, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it will look like something between our 08 and 09 offenses

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by Bud Elliott on Feb 28, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions  

Thank you for commenting Bud

If we can get a good mix of those two offenses the 2011 offense could be elite for a third straight year.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 7:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I really like the weakside option run out of the I

Clemson was terrific in front 7 this year and that’s what we used at the end of the game to march down the field for DH’s moon shot.

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by ricobert1 on Feb 28, 2011 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

I was at the FSU-CU game

The option was the only play we seemed to gain positive yardage from.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 8:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Jimbo basically bent over Steele on that drive...

Just said here it is every play come and get it….lol

by fsugrizz on Mar 2, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I am excited about the potential for the offense in 2011

But I am trying to keep my optimism in check because we thought 2010 would be 2009 on steroids. Losing a few supporting players can drastically change a team’s capabilities.

Here’s to hoping that E.J. can replace Ponder and that we can replace Hudson and McMahon (along with any others that we lose).

by MWM Nole on Feb 28, 2011 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

I feel the same way

very optimistic, yet keeping it tempered. I thought going into the season our offense had a chance to be top 5 or greater, but injuries on the o-line and the early poor play of the wideouts made the offense very inconsistent at times. Even though we had guys banged up off and on over the course of the season, we still managed to win ten games, dominate both in-state rivals, and be the ACC runner-up. That is a testament to how good our coaching staff is and how well they prepared these guys to play. Thanks for the comment MWM Nole.

by Matt Champion on Feb 28, 2011 11:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice job, Matt. Great topic.

I’ve read all the comments and don’t really have anything to add, though.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 1, 2011 2:26 AM EST reply actions  

Thank you for reading and commenting

DKN, and i also thank you for encouragement. That is what you added.

by Matt Champion on Mar 1, 2011 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Next year's offense will look alot like what we saw against both USCe and VT.

It will have QB options and runs plus alot stuff over the top. Jimbo loves to move the safety and to stop the option with EJ the safety has to play in the box which opens up the pass over the top. I don’t think EJ reads defense or sees the field as well as Ponder but that will come with time (The rest of the QBs at the Senior Bowl didn’t either). EJ does though have a world class arm and an ability to run the ball. If Jimbo can get him to go through his progression the sky is the limit.

For those that said, EJ won’t run as much as he did in the past think about this, who would have come in for EJ if he been hurt in the Clemson, USCe or VT game? The guys behind EJ are better this year then last and Jimbo clearly has no fear in sending in his 2nd or 3rd string QB. Plus don’t forget the way we run practice is different then most schools, our backup QBs get alot of reps due to the spliting the practice fields.

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by CJNole on Mar 1, 2011 8:07 AM EST reply actions  

Excellent pespective CJNole

Thank you for reading and commenting.

by Matt Champion on Mar 1, 2011 9:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I’ll have an article on this soon discussing the need to change the offense during the season

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 1, 2011 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

Best thing about Jimbo is that

Jimbo and Co seem to know there teams STR and the Oppos teams weaknesses very well. They also seem to know how to use each players the same way. Most of the time when EJ was in starting back to 2009 the play calling seemed watered down more for him but if you look with EJ it was more I formations with Twins. I dont know if its because hes more suited under center than in shotgun or what.

Over all the Offence will be changed but only for the better. JF wanted to get TE more involved and hes gone and got his recruits knowing EJ was going to be at the helm.

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by Desman on Mar 2, 2011 5:34 AM EST reply actions  

Desman

Now that we have a tight end that can be an actual threat in the passing game(O’Leary), if the somewhat new offensive line can gel, then our offense has the potential to be the best it has ever been since coming to FSU.

by Matt Champion on Mar 2, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

posing a question to the far more knowledgeable than myself

What is EJ’s biggest strength at quarterback? What does he do best? He seems to have a lot of great athleticism and we all saw his arm during the Clemson game. But as I don’t have full game film to look at I am having trouble deciding which plays are the ones where he is obviously most comfortable. Was hoping some of you guys could offer insight. much appreciated in advance.

by stop drop & nole on Mar 2, 2011 6:27 AM EST reply actions  

Probably his wheels at this point. He just glides

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 2, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would add...

His wheels combined with his eyes. What separates EJ and why Fisher liked him is yes he’a athletic but unlike most young “athletes” at the QB position – He keeps his eyes down the field to make a play. Even though they’re are option packages within the scheme, EJ doesn’t view himself as a running QB, rather a QB who can run to create. That’s partially what sold him coming to FSU. The opportunity to play the QB position and learn from the Fisher how to be NFL ready in the pocket.

by FSU on Mar 3, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

EJ will do fine

IMO, EJ will do fine, calling the plays, throwing, running, etc. He has been in the program, I wish he had had more time in the Spring.

IMO, the OL will be fine, I turst Trickett to prepare the OL whoever is their. However, for the OL to be great, will depend on the health of Spurlock and Datko to be there fulltime to get everyone set up.

The question on the Offense for me, is the WR, we have Burt Reed, Taiwan Easterling, who both need to step up and the tall WR need to continue to develope. These guys are just not there yet.

by rspknole1 on Mar 2, 2011 2:28 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think the play-calling will change that much.

A few packages here and there that will utilize EJ’s natural ability to run the ball but I look for him to stand tall in the pocket and use that rocket of an arm to air it out a bit. He’s more of a pure passer than Christian was, and he will be throwing to some really great receivers. Let’s not forget that there are several true studs emerging at wide-out for FSU and that should really benefit the offense. Where EJ is really going to hurt the opposing teams is play-action. Basically, there is no way a defense is going to smother our wideouts or get enough pressure on EJ to even make him sweat. He’s played and won big games at FSU, so he’s no stranger to handling the pressures of the game. He’s had the luxury of learning from one of the best QB’s in current history and he will definitely shine.

by Ken Pace on Mar 2, 2011 2:40 PM EST reply actions  

if you watched EJ play, you would think hes more of a pure passer than Ponder

hes the better athlete and has higher potential, but he isnt a better pure passer right now.

as for the wideouts, they will have to improve if no defense will be able to smother them. they had big issues last season with getting open and being where they need to be, so that will have to change.

i see big potential for EJ, but lets not get ahead of ourselves here. he is very good, but he needs more polish to be great.

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by nole07 on Mar 2, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, you would *NOT* think hes more of a pure passer

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 2, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been coaching as long as some of you have been alive.

I know what a “Pure Passer” is when I see it and EJ has all the necessary skills and mechanics to go with his god-given talent to out perform his predecessor in Ponder. I take nothing from what Ponder accomplished. He started off very raw but quickly became a very efficient passer. Efficiency should not be confused with the title of “Pure Passer”, though.

EJ’s ability to step into throws and the power and accuracy is hands down better than Ponder was at this same time in his career and Ponder was asked to start very young. Once EJ has had a full Spring, Summer and Fall to prepare, I will guarantee you will agree with me. Don’t forget, he sat out his first Spring with a finger injury and then he missed last Spring while recovering from surgery on his shoulder. Barring any unforseen injuries, he will prove why he was rated so high coming out of highschool. Take if from someone that has coached highschool QB’s for the last 12 years. He is a better “PURE PASSER” than Ponder ever was.

by Ken Pace on Mar 3, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

how do you define pure passer

because to me, pure passer means a polished, pass-first, run only when necessary QB. that doesnt sound like EJ at all. i dont mean that he isnt a good passer, just that he isnt a pure passer. he is more of a dual threat than a pure passer, and Ponder is more of a pure passer than a dual threat. both can do both, but EJ is a more accomplished runner than Ponder, and Ponder is a better passer. the latter is subject to change, but as of right now EJ isnt the better passer, and he is definitely not a better pure passer right now.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 3, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like...

… the difference in perspective is about potential vs. current reality. Ponder right now is a better passer than EJ. It sounds like Ken is saying that once EJ gets some familiarity with everything through spring and summer, he will be a better passer than ponder because his higher potential will start to be realized. If I am wrong about this, my bad, but this seems to be the disconnect.

by stop drop & nole on Mar 3, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

My idea of a "Pure Passer"

I’m old school so I’ll take you back a bit. Danny McMannus, played at FSU from 1984 to 1987 and led FSU to a 11-1 record his senior year. From the first time I saw this guy sling a ball, he was impressive. His arm strength, velocity and accuracy was very similiar to EJ’s. He seemed to throw the ball effortlessly to every spot on the field. His deep balls were not the looping throws we got from Ponder. They were low, hot and on target. The same way you see the ball come out when EJ throws. A pure passer to me means someone that can throw the ball with what looks like no effort but yet they also possess a pitcher’s accuracy. The more he works with the first team and receivers the better timing and feel for their abilities the better he’s going to get and the less running he’s going to do.

by Ken Pace on Mar 4, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

WR's

IMO, we have the perfect situation in the WR’s developing. We have two playmakers in Burt Reed and Taiwan Easterling, and two big receivers that have been in the program.

 in following comments on 1010xl in Jax the other day the commentator was mentioning that in following fantasy football in the NFL, they were saying except for Randy Moss, most of the WR’s that have made an impact are the ones in their third year. We tend to think of WR’s as being immediate impact, but that apparently is because the intricacies of the position are less known than the speed and the ability to catch the football. However, the WR in our system needs to be able to block, block downfield and has to work to get open. In high school the fastest player usually gets open, but in college that tightens up and it tightens way up in the NFL.

I wish that Taiwan would quit baseball and work with the football team full time, he needs to really step up this year and he needs the work. Burt Reed needs to become more consistent and I feel if Taiwan steps up it is going to open up Burt and the two tall guys, Willie Haulstead and Rodney Smith able to get one on one coverage downfield.

If the above works out that these receivers have been in the program long enough to learn and understand what is the best for the team, then the WR’s becoming more effective is going to open up our running game even more.

EJ will win the Heisman!!!

by rspknole1 on Mar 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

Agree that it takes a while to re-learn the WR position at each level

disagree that Taiwan needs to quit baseball. That is his more likely future. Taiwan is what Taiwan is – a dependable possession receiver. A playmaker in the sense that he will make that 3 and 7 catch, not in the sense that he will score breakaway td after breakaway touchdown. Nothing at all wrong with that, in fact, I really like Taiwan. Less a fan of Bert. I know he has been shifted around a bit, but for almost every good play he makes, he makes a not so good one. I tend to think he may have reached his peak at FSU and will be passed by Shaw or Greene. Would be great, though, if he woke up and fought so that he didn’t get passed by the young talent. I think if WH and RS continue improving like they did at the end of the season, the slot position will be able to work itself out.

by WaimeaNole on Mar 6, 2011 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Oops

first time a messed up on the reply thingee… meant for rspknole1

by WaimeaNole on Mar 6, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

thinking Bert has hit his ceiling doesnt account for his play

he looked worse this year because of his drops, he didnt level off and get passed. read this article i wrote a while back, it explains whats going on with him (and the other guys this past season). essentially, a guy doesnt go from reliable to stone hands without something else happening, and that something is between his ears. i dont know if he will get back to his best next season or not, but he certainly should improve if the WR corps as a whole improves.

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by nole07 on Mar 6, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We aren't really saying anything different, except

you are understanding what I meant by ceiling differently, I think. I don’t mean that he doesn’t have talent, period, or doesn’t have additional talent to tap into. Or has leveled off and will be passed. I meant in production. I don’t claim that he can’t be a good receiver, just that I am not convinced that he can be good enough to keep both Greene and Shaw off the field (and you threw in Dent which I will not argue against). And notice the date. I wasn’t calling for Greene or Shaw to be getting that time last season, but talking about next season. Even you said in the article that he would get passed if things didn’t change: “Just be patient, you will see plenty of Dent and Shaw next year, and if Reed keeps dropping passes at this clip, they will see a lot of time this year too.” I am just saying that I am not convinced, even if he stops dropping as many passes, that he will be able to hold off the young bucks. Fast, yes. Quick twitch, somewhat, but less so. Good size, no. Consistent, one year – somewhat, the next year, no – wait isn’t that the definition of no? Add it all together and it is not a sure thing that he stays on the field. But like I said before, wouldn’t it be great if he was able to earn that time over them?

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