FSU's 2011 Recruiting Domination in the State of Florida
by FSUjab on Feb 4, 2011 9:47 PM EST
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Yesterday's St. Petersburg Times included a nice visual showing just how dominant Florida State's recruiting class is this year. This perspective categorizes the recruits based on how many recruiting services rank the player in the nation's top 100 for 2011. I apologize in advance for the unsophisticated scan job.
Since the color may not come across well scanned, I'll break it down. A recruit ranked in the nation's top 100 by all 3 services is shown as a blue chip recruit. A recruit ranked in the top 100 by 2 services is a red chip recruit. Recruits ranked in the top 100 by only one service is a green recruit.
Blue = 3 services (FSU: 5, UF: 2, UM: 1, USF: 0, UCF: 0)
Red = 2 services (FSU: 2, UF: 2, UM: 0, USF: 0, UCF: 0)
Green = 1 service (FSU: 4, UF: 3, UM: 2, USF: 0, UCF: 0
As you can see, FSU totally dominated the State. In fact, FSU had more blue chip recruits than all of the other Florida schools combined. FSU had five, the rest of the state had three (UF two and UM one). Had Traitor... I mean, Tony Steward not flipped to Clem$on, FSU would have doubled the rest of the state. FSU also had more ranked recruits than all of the other Florida schools combined. FSU had eleven, the rest of the state, ten (UF seven and UM three).
Notably, USF and UCF did not have a single recruit ranked in the nation's top 100 by any service. So much for the "Big 5" argument - at least in 2011 recruiting.
In addition, many of FSU's lower-ranked recruits are "sleepers." For various reasons, some of FSU's 2011 guys were not evaluated by the services until late in the game.
FSU's recruiting domination of the ACC has already been well documented here. However, what surprises me is the complete and utter domination of UF and UM. Some will correctly argue that FSU should have dominated UF and UM as both programs are in transition. In addition, they both had bad years on the field. However, these arguments fail to recognize that FSU had a vast majority of its recruits BEFORE Meyer quit and Shannon got canned. Realistically, the turmoil surrounding the rival programs should help FSU more in 2012 than 2011.
Please use this information liberally in conversations with Gata and Cane-vict fans. It's a good time to be a Nole.
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They say for something to not be considered luck, it has to be done more than once.
The Once and Future King
We don't have to dominate in 2012 to prove we dominated in 2011.
I don’t expect the numbers to be as lopsided in the future; however, I do expect to get our fair share and consistently pull top 5-7 recruiting classes.
I actually anticipate Muschamp doing very well on the trail in 2012. It’s Golden that we must beat down. The state can’t sustain all 3 of us.
"A prediction, in a field where prediction is not possible, is no more than a prejudice."
- Malcolm Gladwell
"The reason you can't play defense is because you can't."
- Jerry West
I was just busting y’alls chops a little bit. All in good fun. :)
In all seriousness though…I agree 100%. I can see FSU being consistent in the 5-7 area, and every couple of years being in that 1,2,3 area.
Miami doesn’t really stand a chance. They had their run in the 80’s when neither FSU or UF was at the height of their power and as soon as Spurrier showed up and FSU became that force for a decade..Miami fell off the map for the most part. And…they began their rise in the early 00’s when FSU was in the early part of their decline and Spurrier had stopped caring all that much.
When FSU and UF are at the top of their respective games….Miami will never be able to compete. Ever.
The Once and Future King
Miami won the NC in 91 and then was on probation for half of the 90's
I dont think Spurrier had anything to do with that considering he didnt even play them during the 90’s, and the one spurrier led team that faced miami lost.
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 4, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
I was referring to the fact that Spurrier put UF on the map, thus costing Miami some recruits.
The Once and Future King
I wouldn't say UM's rise around 2000 was a result of FSU's decline.
Davis was building that up before 2000 and FSU’s decline really hadn’t begun.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 4, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
It actually had, we just didn't know it yet
b/c the results were still good. Unfortunately, the results dropped off once the recruits from the late 90s showed to be not as good as advertised. Class of 99 was full of studs but it was tiny and thin on the Lines.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
We were still the best team in the country in 2000.
Miami began their 30-something winning streak that year. They did not all of the sudden become that good in one year. It had already been building.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 4, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
So was I. We're talking about the same time.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Point being…when Miami had their run, the Zooker had arrived (It isn’t like Spurrier left Zook with a lot to work with and we all know how that turned out) and FSU wasn’t the FSU of the 90’s.
The Once and Future King
Yes, but you mentioned (implied?)
UM’s last rise was partially a result of FSU’s decline. IMO, it absolutely was not.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
I just think that’s applying hind sight too liberally. As far as recruits were concerned FSU wasn’t declining and therefore UM didn’t gain a competitive advantage to help rebuild post-sanctions….Davis and staff were just good.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
FlaGators...
To say that Miami will “never”….“ever” be able to compete is an ignorant statement. Our team hit rock bottom last year, punctuated by a blowout loss to Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl. We fired our coach, who had ZERO official visits scheduled for any commits, and only TWO commits left when he took over. I promise you that with a full year to recruit, our class will be ranked much higher next season, possibly top 10. As many have pointed out, we may struggle a bit in 2012 and 2013, but do not think for a second that we are just going to fade away.
And this really go to everyone trashing the Canes since signing day, but if Miami is so unappealing to recruits, why did top names like George Farmer, Marquise Lee, and Ray Drew even bother to visit Coral Gables? And don’t tell me its the weather, Golden convinced some of these guys to fly across the country from Los Angeles. FSU and UF are doing much better than Miami right now, and I respect that, but I am sick of hearing about how our program is finished. With the right coaching staff in place (which I think we have), the wins will come, and the recruits (and bandwagon south florida fans) will follow.
What are you going to do about
the Administration that might not allow the right kids to come play?
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 4, 2011 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
We will overcome it
True, the admission standards for athletes at UM is getting quite high. But it is not a program breaker by any means. Schools like Stanford this year, and Michigan, and Notre Dame in others, can overcome academic restrictions, and so can we. There will alway be a few (like Bryant Dubose this year) who want to come but have to go elsewhere due to inadequate grades. However, for the right recruit, like Latwan Anderson a year ago (or so we thought at the time, he recently left the program for personal reasons, and also couldn’t keep his grades up once he got to campus), the administration has shown that it will “bend the rules” a bit. I am not privy enough to this kind of information to speculate on specifics, but I believe being a private school has some benefits in this regard. I also believe that Kirby and Golden will get Shalala to start reissuing some academic waivers. Indeed, her hand may be forced in if the team continues to perform like it has over the past several years and the booster $ stops coming in. I assure you that although the football team is not our President’s #1 priority , the Board of Trustees (with members like Bernie Kosar and The Rock’s wife) DOES care an awful lot about the football team’s performance. They proved that by having Shannon (and Coker) canned; and consequently eating up the rest of their contracts. Which, as many have pointed out, is precious money to our limited athletic budget. Remember, President Shalala DID NOT want to fire Randy. The Board will not let overly-high admission standards ruin the proud football tradition we have established here at UM, and if it comes to it, will force Shalala’s hand. This school did not just make a significant investment to upgrade its facilities to see the losses continue to mount.
We'll see.
Small window for improvement. Siting Michigan, Notre Dame, and Stanford doesn’t really support your case. More of the argument that UM will struggle. While yes those schools will get some good players/classes, will they get them enough to be nationally elite year in and year out? None of those schools have been over the course of the last decade. Not consistently.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
Funny, they arguably disproved it by hiring them in the first place.
They proved that by having Shannon (and Coker) canned; and consequently eating up the rest of their contracts.
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miami's success has always and will always depend on drawing marginal kids from SoFL.
By contrast, Stanford, Michigan and Notre dame draw from a national but relatively small pool of athletes who are academically qualified to be admitted. Good luck trying to compete by matching their national academic appeal to those kids and their families (yes, I’m aware of miami’s USWNR rankings)… not to mention trying to compete with their resources, facilities, alumni base with employment opportunities, etc. Miami has simply chosen a different path than the thug culture that spawned its success. Speculating that it will rise again to an elite level another way is pure fantasy.
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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 5, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions
This
ND and Standford go all over the country trying to find keeps smart enough to get in and good enough to make a difference. I also wouldn’t bet on Shalala’s hand being forced. When Miami starts losing most Miami fans just stop showing up. If it stretches through the next decade will fans even care anymore?
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Stanford this year, and Michigan, and Notre Dame.
Michigan and Notre Dame have a few things that Miami doesn’t thought. They are considered “national brands” and are the main program in their respective state.
Stanford got lucky. Their one year/two year run is about to end. IMO.
The Once and Future King
Miami IS a national brand.
Miami, however, does not routinely fill an 80,000-110,000 seat stadium or have a long list of alumni who will gladly donate to the cause.
As for Stanford, I wouldn’t call it luck. I think Harbaugh is a hell of a coach. I don’t know how many seniors they are going to lose, but I would’ve been very interested to see what Harbaugh and Luck (oh, were you making a pun?) could’ve done in 2011.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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There is no way that Miami is on par with Michigan and Notre Dame.
Not a chance.
The Once and Future King
As a national brand?
As in, if you ask somebody if they know about Miami Hurricanes football, you’ll get a significantly smaller amount saying yes than for Michigan or Notre Dame? I completely disagree.
Are we talking eyeballs on television sets? Because Miami draws quite well in regards to tv ratings.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Guess I just disagree.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
I think his point is the same as mine:
Of course miami has a past football reputation. But miami is NOT a national academic brand to attract the kind athletes with superior qualifications that Stanford and Notre Dame go after.
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by PeachTreeNole on Feb 5, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I took national brand as football reputation, not academic.
If we are talking academic then you’re absolutely correct. Nationally, Miami is no better than Florida or Florida State. Heck, even within the state I doubt you’d hear many people saying Miami is vastly superior to the state schools.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
To agree I would put it like this
I live in Miami, and know Michigan has an excellent reputation for academics. I highly doubt someone living in Michigan thinks, “Gee, Miami has a great ____ program.”
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gotta agree with da Gata
Michigan is and has been, for a long long time, a big traditional and extremely well known name in college football.Just off the top of my head, pure opinion…
1. Notre Dame
2. Oklahoma (tie)
2. Southern Cal (tie)
4. Alabama
5. Texas
6. Michigan
7. LSU
8. Ohio State
9. Nebraska
10. USF (kidding); how about…Penn State
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
How can you even begin to put LSU on there if no Florida State, Florida or Miami?
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
History
Paul Dietzel and the Chinese Bandits. Ever heard of them?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dietzel
First national championship in 1958. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSU_Tigers_football
In 1958 FSU went 7-4, We were pretty good but unranked, and we were in our 12th year of competition.LSU had won 6 SEC championships by then. They had several All Americans going back to the 1800s including a fellow named Billy Cannon. While an exhaustive review might eliminate LSU from any reasonable top ten list, they are not quite as unworthy when compared to FSU as you suggest. My criteria for my top ten includes tradition spanning more than the last 20 years and is probably much different from yours. I’m pretty old and will definitely have a longer view than most here.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Don't see them nearly as national as some other schools.
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I understand
and we’ll agree to disagree.
Business Pundit (http://www.businesspundit.com/the-12-most-valuable-teams-in-ncaa-football/) lists LSU seventh among the top 12 “most valuable” football teams. I was happy to see that their list (based on commercial criteria) was very similar to my quick, non-commercial list. Seventh, for LSU, is pretty darn “national,” in my opinion. :-)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
They have an entire state to themselves
no one outside the state of Louisiana gives a crap about LSU
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
That would be easy to prove wrong
and impossible to prove correct, barring several billion interviews. If you followed the business pundit link, are you supposing all that revenue came from Louisiana?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
if we're talking about 'national brands' in college football
you’re really gonna point to an article that lists USCe at number 12 and leaves USCw completely off?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yes.
Assuming the analysis I linked used the same criteria for all twelve, unless none of the results make sense, then rather than discredit the list, one might be surprised. The alternative, let’s just accept as an axiom that intuition is the sole source for determining what constitutes a “national” team. Your intuition. Ergo; LSU is not a national team. I’m convinced.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
If you'd focus more on facts and less on rhetoric you'd see your logic is flawed
That lists gives totals of entire athletic department figures which isn’t apples to apples if we’re comparing national brand power of football. Some schools, like the UofF even subsidize revenue from student fees into the athletic budget and report it as total revenue, as much as $2 per credit hour per student. Using your logic, a school like Duke, which has a total revenue of $67m, is more nationally relevant and recognized then say Miami or BYU; two schools that have significantly smaller revenue numbers for their athletic departments, two schools we both know (call it intuition) have more national brand appeal in football than Duke.
Obviously this conversation is completely opinion based, and only a polling of all the people in the US would solve it (which would be closer to 350m and not several billion as you stated earlier unless this country had a huge population boom recently), but I’m just showing you why using this article as your sole source for determining what constitutes a national team is inaccurate.
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Feb 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yet
I lead one article to zero. Calling logic “rhetoric” doesn’t make it rhetoric. (I do like your point about Duke. Would you argue, though, that there is no value to their basketball prowess even in the football vane?. I think (opinion) there is at least some crosstalk.) Really, I have a very easy position to defend. Any school with a tradition going back to the 1800’s, three national championships (two of them recent), several conference championships, all Americans, famous coaches, a “name brand” stadium… This argument really humbles a “no way” argument saying that FSU is more national. LSU has more NC’s, two of them more recent, more all-Americans, a longer tradition, a better known stadium than FSU, they play in a much more acclaimed conference, yet I am told they can’t compare to FSU. Bull.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
The list fmnole listed is value not brand
Ilinois tool works has a higher value than ebay but ebay is a much bigger brand.
It is much harder to judge brands because its hard to find the ratings data and more importantly crunch the numbers. It is almost impossible to get items sold for merchdise numbers or to correct for tickets sold and at what price level so much of this is going to be by the gut. That said any list of college football brands has to have ND at the top they are the clear cut biggest brand in the sport they really are the University of College Football in America.
While the gamecocks produce a lot of money you will be hard pressed to find anyone that believes that they are a bigger brand than FSU and Miami and well up to a dozen more teams.
You also have Michigan which is 10th on that list mostly because they don’t want to maximize their value hell they are still not sure about adding Michigan St to the big 10 60 years ago. They leave millions on the table with their refusal to play night games, to have a corporate sponser for the tOSU game and well to do anything new. But any honest look at their ratings, their reach, their mentions by the sports press, their jersey sales and its clear they are a top 4 brand.
First
logic and rhetoric are not mutually exclusive. You can pretend to be using logic, but that doesn’t mean its not rhetoric. You might need to do a quick dictionary search of what the word actually means.
Second, No i dont think there is any crosstalk between duke basketball and duke football, and that really has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
Third, I never once mentioned anything about FSU, so you might need to reevaluate your inference there although I do disagree in nature with what you are saying considering it wasn’t that long ago FSU had:
-its historic run of 14 consecutive top 4 seasons
-the most decorated football player in history win the Heisman
-the first and only wire to wire #1 season
-the second most winningest coach in D1 history
-the two highest rated games in ESPN history, and 4 of their top ten
-An annual rivalry game with one of the top programs in the country, which is considered to be one of the best, most well known rivalries in college sports
The last one being very important to what we are talking about considering a lot of people think that college football is defined by its rivalries. Considering FSU has two of college football’s top ten rivalries (you can find this information on google), and LSU has none, its very easy to see why LSU isn’t considered a name brand when all the other ‘traditional’ schools are listed in these rivalries that are watched around the nation and continuously voted on by people around the nation as games they feel are worth watching. As I stated early, people dont really care about LSU outside the state of Louisiana
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Feb 8, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
You certainly mentioned FSU this time.
Your point is…?
1. "People don’t care about LSU outside the state of Louisina? Hope not.
2. FSU > LSU? Okay. You’re entitled. I like us better.
3. …?
My only point in this whole thing had only to do with the comment that “there is NO WAY” LSU could be compared to FSU as a national brand. Even if you didn’t say it, I still think it’s funny.
ps: didn’t respond to your "rhetoric versus “logic” teaching because I have no idea what your talking about.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Problem with this study: It only uses publicly available numbers
As such, it will necessarily exclude large private school programs like USCw, Stanford, Miami, or even BC, since as private colleges they are not required to release their financials. Even the Notre Dame valuation is an estimate they found in Forbes, and may or may not be accurate or current.
That’s the big blind spot when people use the internet to do studies like this. They don’t catch the huge private programs, because they don’t have to list their yearly profits.
USCe may be the 11th biggest PUBLIC football program, but I’m with fmnole here. It seems like a few schools (like USCw) should be more valuable than they are. Unfortunately, we’ll probably never know.
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by Dogrel on Feb 7, 2011 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you agree with fmnole or me (steadfast)?
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 7, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
You, Steadfast. Sorry, my bad.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
So do you think an FSU that had just won 2 national titles in the past...6ish years would be as high as LSU is?
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You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
FSU was as high then. Higher.
Then came the lost decade and in order to be a true National team you need a relevant past if the future isn’t producing much. LSU has both, now.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
LSU's past is not relevant.
Nobody today strongly cares about 50 years ago. In 10 years people won’t care about the Miami teams of the 80’s and in 20 years people won’t care about the FSU teams of the 90’s. You get a 20-30 year window where the past is relevant and then after that it’s not. It truly is not.
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
What is the cutoff year for "caring?"
Knowing this will help me the next time I form an opinion. Since the word “tradition” implies some consideration of things occurring before last April, I want to know the universal cutoff. Thanks in advance.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
Rule of thumb: about 25 years or so.
It’s a given that most people’s concept of history begins when they were born. Since the average age in the US is just under 37, and the average age of exposure to football is about 10, that puts the average amount of college football history remembered by most people at just under 27 years’ worth.
Beyond that horizon, you’re getting into a point of diminishing returns. Most people will have no knowledge or concern for stuff before that point.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
And there's my problem
I remember a lot more football than you, apparently. Just not inclined to apologize. :-)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
But just because it's remembered doesn't make it relevant to today.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Depends really
I agree with Dogrel and tricknole about 20 to 25 years for most programs but there are exceptions namely ND but also Bama before Saban. What ND has that LSU doesn’t is a very long history of excellence not a single spurt of excellence a very long time ago and than long stretches of not mattering on the national stage. LSU for what ever reason does not seem to be able to make the jump to the top tier of brands.
hell, lets throw army in the top ten then
three consecutive national championships (‘44, ’45, ’46). doc blanchard and glen davis? what happened 50-100 years ago has no where near the impact as what happened 20 years ago…unless you’re beano cook.
by nole country for old men on Feb 6, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
I mentioned Army.
They would be a national team pretty easily if they had done anything at all recently. I think more people watch Army-Navy every year than just about any, if not all, other games. As I mentioned above, if you don’t have caché right now, (relevance in the last few years) you had better have a great past. Michigan, which started this whole discussion, has been great for decades. FSU, if we make a run under Fisher, will really cement its tradition and stature, If you guys don’t like that I consider LSU a high-visibility national team because they have a ’58 NC and two recent ones, no problem. My only reason for responding was the “no way,” statement. I think I have shown that there is clearly a way to make my case, You have a perfect right to reject it.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
no hard feelings,
but lsu doesn’t belong anywhere on this list. i’m not going to give trick any more tag line material, but the noles, gators, and canes are all much more recognizable brands than lsu. heck, i live one state over and i don’t know anybody who’d watch a tiger game unless they were playing bama of uf. imo, lsu is on a par (and maybe slightly below) a georgia or tenn nationally. part of that is a lack of a herschel walker or peyton manning presence.
by nole country for old men on Feb 5, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
i agree with you 100%
i was born and raised in Maryland and I have NO memory of ever watching an LSU game growing up. UF and UM were on the TV all the time. Obviously FSU was too and that is why I went there. I remember watching FSU all the time and loving the swagger they had in the 90s and everyone doing the Tomahawk Chop. It was because of all those TV appearances I went to FSU.
by newdynastynole on Feb 5, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why are we getting so hung up on tradition?
It doesn’t translate into success in any way. Every team on that list has been up and down over the last 10-20 years according to quality of coaching.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Shannon's buyout was 1.5 million
That hardly constitutes “eating” a contract
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm...
If I lived in Cali or Georgia, I may consider an all expenses-paid trip to South Beach during January, regardless of circumstances.
Just a thought, though.
Florida State Seminoles
by basbalstr101 on Feb 4, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on where in Cali.
I wouldn’t leave San Diego for any city in the world.
I am addicted to Tomahawk Nation
by pasadenanole22 on Feb 5, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
You still take a free trip to South Beach.
San Dog resident, or not.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, you are right. I misunderstood the comment.
I am addicted to Tomahawk Nation
by pasadenanole22 on Feb 5, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
For permanent residence though,
which is probably what you meant….SD all the way.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
I think Miami could return to glory, but you're clearly running 3rd in the state right now.
I don’t think Golden has done a damn thing at UM. He turned Shannon’s shitty class into a poor class in a month. Good job. A lot of coaches could’ve lured in those same 3* recruits he lured. And it’s not out of the question to think many coaches could’ve actually landed some of the guys Golden whiffed on.
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From the outside looking in, I realize it is hard to appreciate Golden’s efforts. Our class was subpar, and Golden did miss on a lot of guys, including Brissett this evening. I just really can’t reiterate enough what a bad situation he walked into. Manny Navarro’s article does a much better job explaining it then I ever could…
Read that article hours ago.
No one is arguing that Golden didn’t come into a bad situation. What I am arguing is that there are many, many coaches that could’ve done the job Golden did in his cycle, and that there are likely quite a few that could’ve done a better job.
I’m not saying he’s a poor recruiter or coach. I don’t know. This one class isn’t enough to say that. But it’s also not enough to said he did a hell of a job. He really didn’t. He may have worked really hard at it, but it didn’t amount to a whole lot imo.
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Agree
A “hell of a job,” regardless of where he started, was to get Miami of Florida at least into the top 20 where it belonged. There were enough kids still out there who would have responded and signed if a “hell of a job” had been done.
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Yup.
And about half of the kids he did land were Florida guys that we passed on. The other half were out of staters we didn’t need to look at.
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He was a no-name
Coach. I agree the class is nothing to write home about but the fact there wasn’t one before he got to Miami and no in south Florida new who the hell he was, he did a good job. The fact they did not get a QB when it was a critical need keeps me from saying he did as good as possible. If he can put some wins together this yr, he will grab a top 10 class for sure. If they struggle, man is he going to be in a tough spot.
by MeBeFirst on Feb 6, 2011 12:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think "for sure" is too strong
If he is allowed to recruit like other schools, I cannot see him failing to recruit at least fairly well. Too much tradition and local talent not too. But they have tons of obstacles. Facilities, cash, academic policy… His problem, IMO, is that his responsibility extends far beyond his authority. His success is in the hands of others. So he is gambling.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
There is something wrong with the "sell"
Golden’s problem (as you stated) is not getting kid’s attention, it’s getting them to commit. Best example of this is Brissett. No reason you guys should have lost him to a school that just recruited the #1 QB in country. The guy wants to start really bad and the easiest path to start is at UF (his back yard BTW). My point is that when the kids investigate playing down there, something is scaring them away. Better get that fixed or it will not be any different next year.
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by PTCNole on Feb 5, 2011 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meant UM not UF as easiest path to start
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by PTCNole on Feb 5, 2011 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is exactly why I said that when FSU and UF are at the top of their games, Miami isn’t going to do anything. EVER.
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Agreed.
I actually think when try imploded the Orange Bowl, they actually imploded the football program along with it. Call me crazy, but the stadium had as much to do with their brand equity as anything. College football is about tradition. That place was magical for them. How do you tear down all that tradition?
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by PTCNole on Feb 5, 2011 10:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
This is spot on. If Da U was Sampson, the Orange Bowl was their hair.
Hell, now they have to play on a baseball field for three or four games each year and its an hour from campus. That is a hard sell compared to Doak Campbell or that festering sty in hogtown.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
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by HaveNoleOption on Feb 5, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
There was plenty of tradition and lots of great UM moments there.
but I don’t think tradition and magic would keep them on top. They would’ve fallen off no matter where they play games.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
I can't imagine them tearing down Doak Campbell Stadium.
That would be just, nuts right?
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
What does that have to do with the Orange Bowl?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I just couldn't imagine them tearing it down.
I just repeated myself. It’s just nuts that they tore down the Orange Bowl and left UM to play in an off campus baseball park. I have a friend that is a UM fan, ban wagon fan that is. I had to pull it up on the computer and show him. He didn’t believe me when I told him the Hurricanes didn’t play at the Orange Bowl anymore, and that they tore it down.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sure. I was only saying that had nothing to do with UMs demise.
If we ever decide to build a new stadium and tear down DSC that would not destroy FSU football either.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. It had nothing to do with there demise.
I do think not having the Orange Bowl anymore, and no on campus replacement will be, and is a hindrance to there return to any sort of football prominence. I can’t imagine that happening in Tally. I guess I would disagree with you that if they did tare down DCS it would not hurt our program. If thats what you’re saying.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
If we tore it down to build a newer stadium, how would that hurt us?
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I didn't say "If we tore it down to build a newer stadium"
I was saying if they tore it down and didn’t build a new one that would hurt us. Like they did in Miami. How many schools have a successful football program without an on campus stadium anyway. That is a real question, I’m not trying to be a smart ass. U.S.C is the only one I can think of. The Coliseum isn’t on there campus right.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, it's literally across the street.
Think our basketball facility.
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So then there really isn't any successful football programs without an on campus stadium, or something very close.
Thats got to hurt Miami then. At least in there ability to become a B.C.S contender again.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Hurts in the wallet as well
Normally if you play in someone else’s building they keep the money from concessions, parking, naming rights, advertising etc. Pretty much the only thing you make money on is ticket sales.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
UCLA
The Rose Bowl is a hour from Westwood if there is any traffic.
But it’s been a while since they were successful.
Absolutely.
Pasadena is next to the San Gabriel Mountains.
Westwood is near the beach.
It would take you less time to drive from Tallahassee to Alligator Point than it would to travel from UCLA’s campus to the Rose Bowl.
Very bizarre.
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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 8, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
If we tore Doak down and played where?
It’s not like the Orange Bowl was on campus or even close.
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We wouldn't tare Doak down. That was my point. Where would we play? I don't know
It looks like there was a school with a successful football program without an on campus stadium, and it got tore down. Good luck getting that “aura and mystique” at that baseball park. Those kids must love getting tackled in that clay.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Your point doesn't make sense.
Miami had an alternative and never played on campus in the first place. We would never tear down Doak without having somewhere to play. This hypothetical is outrageous.
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And by the 2012 football season it will be a football only venue.
They’re actually trying to drum up support to get the stadium renovated.
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Argue with someone else trick. I don't care If my point made any sense to you anyway.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
I won't say your hypo was outrageous.
But I was very confused when you brought up tearing down Doak in a discussion about the Orange Bowl.
The only way we’ll tear down Doak is if we have a new stadium to move into.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Dr.Ken if I knew it was going to be this big of a deal I never would have said it.
Let me try putting it this way. I couldn’t imagine being a UM fan and having them tare down the OB, because it is so far from something that would happen to us. Of course we wouldn’t tare down Doak unless we were going to build something new. But we aren’t going to build a new stadium, we don’t need one. So yes that part makes now sense. But I wasn’t saying that. Only that I couldn’t imagine it, and for good reason.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
Nope, I couldn't imagine being forced from the home stadium we'd played in for 70 years like what happened to Miami either.
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Ok so were are on the same page.
Sorry If I didn’t get my point across the right way the 1st time.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
I almost forgot.
Part of my 1st comment was a vale attempt to acknowledge that I must be the only person on here to not have seen the movie Anchorman. That it took me this long to figure out were you got that name. I really thought it was your name. And now I am hopping that it isn’t or I’m going to look like a real ass.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't catch the "nuts" reference.
Yes, that’s where I got the name. Big Ferrell fan.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
hoping not "hopping"
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 7, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, it would be nuts.
But we also own our stadium. UM did not. They had no funds to repair and renovate it and the city was unwilling to help them out. It was much, much cheaper to just move to Miami Gardens to play home games.
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It wasn't just the tradition, it was the acoustics.
I was in the OB with the Canes buddies of my youth when UM broke the Oklahoma wishbone. I was in the closed end of the stadium at about the five yard line. The Sooners appeared confused because they could hear themselves think.
Same thing when UM won its first MNC. I was in the open end of the field when the Cane knocked down the two point attempt against Nebraska. It was the loudest single noise that I have ever heard in any Stadium. The Stadium formerly as Joe Robbie will never rival that effect for either the Canes or the Dolphins. IMO that will make a huge difference over time.
I think you're crazy. :)
The stadium had an aura and mystique about it, but let’s not act like Miami was doing anything special on the field the last few seasons there anyways. I think poor coaching killed Miami. Not Shalala’s academic-first vision. Not the City of Miami knocking down the Orange Bowl. Not the whole money argument. None of that. Poor coaching that started under Coker and that carried over to Shannon. Then Shannon decided to add lazy recruiting to the list.
FlaGators said they were lucky, but just look at Stanford. Much less history than Miami. Much stricter academic standards. The same level of fan support/attendance. Similar cheap budgets. Yet they won big last year. Why? Because Harbaugh is a great coach and apparently a great eye for talent.
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For football?
They were paying Harbaugh what Shannon was making from 2007-2009.
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Let me clarify this.
Shannon’s 2007-2009 salary is what Harbaugh was making in 2010.
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Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. As they say. But do I think that Stanford can keep the run going for the next couple of years? Not at all.
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Me neither. Not without Harbaugh.
Unless this new guy is a great coach, too.
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Sort of like the U hitting on guys like Jimmy Johnson and Butch Davis
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Absolutely.
Lot of mystique for the U was centered around that dump…like some unholy source of power.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
When y’all do it for the first time, then come back and bring it up. Then we shall see if y’all do it a second time to prove that it can be done more than once.
Until then…have fun.
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Gotta wonder how much impact the gates last few classes are really gonna make....
As stout as recruiting has been for them the last five years or so and as much talent as they brought back last year….they still looked very average and a lot of times mediocre. gotta have the coaches to utilize all those horses. Strong and Mullen were big blows for the gates. and as soon as the only real coach remaining on the team-Tebow-left, the program looked about as well put together as a 39 dollar suit. yet to be seen if they have the right coaching staff in place now to reign in all that talent, i have my doubts, Which in turn should make FSU all the more attractive to any kid on the fence in the future. All that jelly and no toast…..
Hopefully now the right coaches are in place. But then again, anybodies grandmother would be a better OC than Addazio the past 2 years.
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The team make up was something for a more “traditional” offense. And what was said (tweaking the offense to better suit it) was different that what was done (no tweaking what-so-ever).
I personally don’t think that Addazio had the brain power to do such a thing.
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I don't see why Addazio is still the villain.
Meyer’s the one that screwed it up.
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Meyer is at fault for not making the change, no doubt about it. And I have my own beef with Urban (regarding him quitting and taking up post at ESPN) but Addazio was in the position to make the changes. Didn’t happen, thus the blame falls to him.
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No, the blame falls on Meyer.
He is the head guy and everything that happens in his program is his responsibility. He was in position to force Addazio to make changes. He just sat there rubbing his face and hair like this:
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"traditional offenses" typically have MUCH bigger RBs
Those that can tote the rock on 3rd and short for a 1st down without having to resort to a qb “specialist” to come in and attempt to be 1/2 a Tebow
by Cigar City Nole on Feb 5, 2011 9:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well…That is what everyone expect Gillislee and Mack Brown to do. Emmanuel Moody as well.
Moody was a bust, Gillislee really wasn’t given and Mack Brown was given a RS. They all are about an inch from the “traditional” offense size…but it was supposed to be a hybrid of sorts.
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HAHA, I enjoyed that.
Miami only signed 2 of Florida’s top 50 (per the G-Sun) and none of the top 25.
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<blockquoteif Miami is so unappealing to recruits, why did top names like George Farmer, Marquise Lee, and Ray Drew even bother to visit Coral Gables?>
A paid for trip to Miami is an easy sell for an 18 yr old. Hell it is an easy sell for most people no matter the age. Those kids had no interest in Miami at all.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
take 2
if Miami is so unappealing to recruits, why did top names like George Farmer, Marquise Lee, and Ray Drew even bother to visit Coral Gables?
A paid for trip to Miami is an easy sell for an 18 yr old. Hell it is an easy sell for most people no matter the age. Those kids had no interest in Miami at all.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
As long as South Beach is open.
Miami has a chance.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
5-7 is the floor, not the average under Jimbo.....IMO
I simply cannot see this staff (and future staffs), not consistently pull in top-5 classes, with top-3 being the norm.
Remember, the 2010 class was top-6 coming off the 3rd 7-6 season in 4 years with only half a staff. If you look at it right now, FSU is probably #1 for 2012 so far.
A #6/7 class is a bit of a disappointment…..and DAMN does it feel good to say that.
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FSU is #1 according to ESPN
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 4, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
He said 'probably', I was just confirming it
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 6, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
I definitely think 5-7 is the average.
I’ll be happy with a top 10 class next year because I’m not expecting 29 recruits. And averaging the 5th ranked class over a certain period of time could still be the highest average class of any school over that same time period.
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I think JimboCorp will average #3/4 classes on average
#6/1/3/2/5/1/6/4/2/5……something like that.
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Have to consider numbers also.
Not sure if the recruiting services put a weight on number of recruits, but with FSU bringing in a class of 29(?) this year, and close to that many last year, the next few years they will be in the low to mid 20s (unless some upperclassmen buried on the depth chart decide to move on).
It helps with Rivals
Not as much with ESPN. I think Scout uses a math formula as well but they had out so many 5* ratings that a smaller class can have a real chance at the top. 247 I think just weighs in on your class like ESPN does.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
247 hasn't decided on a formula yet.
I saw they have a few ideas they’re throwing around. Apparently they will only count 17-20 recruits per class and it will be a straight forward system. Each player is worth so many points. Add the points up. You get your ranking. There will be no bonus points awarded to one player for being the #5 quarterback as opposed to being the #5 linebacker. What I’m not sure of is if they’ll give all 5* the same points, all guys rated an 87 the same points, or in any other manner.
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I know its extremely hard but its crazy
This is probably my biggest gripe about rankings where positions are not weighted. I know its extremely hard at the college level where players are more likely to switch positions and the value of the position is much more variable from team to team. But at some point someone needs to say QBs are just more important than lbs and rbs which are a dime a dozen.
Then do that in the evaluation process and not the class ranking process.
If you have a QB and a slot WR that are equally talented, but you think QB is a more important position, change his rating from an 85 to an 86 or 87. If you think that slots are a dime a dozen, drop him from an 85 to an 84 or 83. Make the team ranking formula as simplistic as possible.
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That would work
Wished they did this more almost every year there are too many high star WR, RB and LBs.
fwiw fsu is already #1 on maxpreps for 2012
ND, surprisingly, not listed in the top ten.
by espanole on Feb 4, 2011 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They also think D. Freeman will add great depth on the defensive line.
Great evaluation by maxipad.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Meant Pender, not DFree. But, I see they've corrected that.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
It may be lower strictly because of the amoun of recruits we take.
We wont be taking as many guys next year so our point total wont be as high. however the quality of recruits will stay top notch
class of 99
I read somewhere we're looking at 20?
If we continue to pull the quality of guys were pulling now it could easily be 10 espn150s. That would not be a low rated class.
Yeah. Like I said above. I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t stay well within the Top 10 every year.
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Thanks for the objective analysis
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by FSU PHD on Feb 4, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You’re just mad that we are going to get Jacoby Brissett after all aren’t you?
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What does it matter if you get him?
He’ll never play behind Driskel.
Yeah. The weird thing is, some QB just decided to walk-on to the program as well. Ryan McGriff.
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Fred's older brother?
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 4, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan is 3rd generation Gator
His grandfather Perry McGriff played (50’s), his dad Mark McGriff played (80s), his uncle Lee McGriff played (70s) and his cousin Travis McGriff played (90s). He’s been privately tutored by Shane Matthews the last three seasons. Now with all that said, the kid ain’t very good.
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I don't care who he goes to as long as he doesn't go to Miami.
He hasn’t announced yet, right? I see it’s reported he will choose Florida though.
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No. He hasn’t announced. Supposed to very soon. Supposedly at some basketball game.
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He verballed Gator, but didn't sign. His Mom hopes to flip him back to UM before Monday
She’s miffed because Muschamp didn’t recruit HER…..
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I can't get over how crazy this is...
Why would a SoFla kid that is dying to start go to a school that just recruited the #1 QB? Kid seems like he doesn’t want competition…now he has the best competition in the country. Is Miami really that bad? The onu thing I canthink is that Weis really wanted him…which means what for Driskel?
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by PTCNole on Feb 5, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only thing I can think of is that Brissett would be playing a couple of positions on offense. Not just QB.
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Thought the Addazio circle jerk offense was gone?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
This is different. What Addazio would do is have Brissett play QB and have Driskel come in and run dive plays up the middle and then he would just stand on the sideline and not make any adjustments.
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by FlaGators on Feb 5, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for unbiased ( and humorous) analysis.
"Yes it is impossible: therefore it will take a little longer.----Paolo Lugari
Yeah. That’s what he says now. But hey, he can if he wants. May the best man win.
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whats else would he play? not exactly a burner...
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No idea. Just a couple of ideas being thrown around (for a lot of people for that matter) but we’ll have a better idea come spring.
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I'm impressed by Driskel's athleticism
But no way is he a lock for the job. I think Brissett chose UF for early playing time opportunity and the coaching staff over Miami’s. Either way, look for one to transfer in the next 3 years.
Still think Driskel must be pissed.
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no doubt. big time.
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I would think, only way it doesn't happen
is if they both struggle and we see a Weatherford/Lee thing. But you don’t have that terrible of coaches, so I really don’t see that as a realistic option.
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Yeah. I fully expect one of them to take the reigns (I hope it is Driskel) and run away with the job though.
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I'd rather have the nasty boy.
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ah, not saying you were saying this. just sayin'
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I think he'd go the Newton route if UF tried to switch him.
Kid’s a hell of a qb.
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It's a multi-step process.
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Haha. Yeah. Hopefully if he doesn’t make it at QB and wants to quit football, he will play basketball. Just stay a Gator.
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Is he for sure going to sign?
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Only thing I can think of
is he thinks he can beat out Driskell. It is possible, not like Driskell is Peyton Manning or something. While Miami is an easier path to starting Florida is closer to actually winning. Lot more talent on hand.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
mama not happy. . .
"Not my choice," Brown said. "I’m very disappointed. I didn’t like the way Florida handled the process. I’ve never been able to meet the head coach … I’ve never met (Will Muschamp) face-to-face and I find that very disrespectful and I’m just hurt with the whole process with the Gators. I was hoping that he would respect me and go to ‘The U’ because ‘The U’ showed respect to his mom."
Hmmm
so this guy has two days after signing day with the only priority being Brissett and doesn’t even make the trip to Palm Beach to talk to her before Jacoby makes his decision? Did this guy actually have to recruit at Texas?
by TampaLawNole on Feb 4, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares?
His mom needs to stfu. You don’t say that to the media. You can tell them you’d like to talk it over with your son before he signs but don’t say ME ME ME and make your kid look like an idiot.
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Bad form but an intresting look at Mushcamps style
I am less impressed by him by the day. How do you not meet with the mom I will grant that maybe the kid said not too but if that is the case how do you let him say something and not get the LOI. He has left over 48 hours on the clock for his mom to negative recruit the kid.
apparently he didn't look like an idiot to you
she did. I agree that she ran her mouth, but it really doesn’t reflect on the kid. His stupidity about wanting early playing time and signing with UF reflects on him.
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No, I don't think he's an idiot.
But his mom is turning this into a joke, which will only look poorly on Jacoby.
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Don't care about the moms comments, you miss the point
But after all the talk of making “momma” happy regarding other recruits and how that has been a successful recruiting effort for many of our signees, its interesting to me that Muschamp didn’t bother meeting this kids mom. Do you think Jimbo hasn’t met Wilder’s mom? I don’t think “momma” is the end all for recruiting a kid but it’s a pretty dumb move to me and now it seems it may bite him in the ass. I thought he was smarter than that.
by TampaLawNole on Feb 5, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Sure, Muschamp should've met with her.
Do I trust Brissett’s mom is telling the absolute truth? Hell no. Do I think she needs to stfu? Hell yes.
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May have been a time crunch time
Muschamp had a lot on his plate lately. But my hope is he has some of the Texas recruiting ego in him. Texas could just toss out an offer, talk to the kid a bit and let the commits roll in for the most part. Recruiting in Florida will be very different.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
For those who want the link
http://recruiting.blogs.gatorsports.com/10988/brissetts-mom-upset-pushing-um/
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Why would they buy him?
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 4, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Best they can afford?
If you work for a living, why do you kill yourself working?
by JaviLouis on Feb 4, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
must not have heard Ms. Brissett's comments...
“I don’t trust him.” That comment would knock him out of the “perfect score” category.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
She seems to be like Aaron Lynch's mom.
What she wants is more important than what her child wants. I wouldn’t trust anything those two have to say about a school that isn’t their choice.
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NOTHING like Aaron Lynch's mom!
Thats all I’ll say since my comments regarding that issue get deleted
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
In regards to what they want being more important than what their child wants, I think they appear quite similar.
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Post me a link where Brissett's mother is all over message board wanting her son to go to UM
and sprinkling ashes were the OB was imploded. Brissett’s mom will get over it eventually IMO. Lynch’s mother was absolutely obsessed.
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think there are plenty of quotes from his mom stating that if she gets her way he's going to Miami.
They just aren’t directly from her interacting on a message board. But I don’t recall Lynch’s mom making the type of statements Brissett’s mom made in the newspapers, either. Are they the exact same situations? No. Are they similar
In regards to what they want being more important than what their child wants[?]Yes
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Lynch's mother was referred to as a "walking ncaa violation" and thats as far as I'll go
Brissett’s mom is a temporary pain for UF’s staff
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Alright.
I think my comment is accurate.
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And Jacoby's mother has now given her blessing
So no it isn’t
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 7, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
The also say that
your team was a pathetic 8-5 last year and got blown out by the Noles. They also say the gata got out recruited by half their SEC rivals and Florida State. Was it luck? Probably not. It was the perfect storm of Jimbo Fisher being a freakin’ genius and turmoil at the “other two institutions down south.” If the new coaching staff can’t correct the death spiral that CUM put the gata in results like these might become typical for years to come.
I take issue with our class this year being called the perfect storm of our rivals' turmoil.
We were going to possibly land the #1 class even without their turmoil. You’re taking away from the achievement that this class is and the work our coaches put in.
And I think “death spiral” is a bit much; sort of like the Miami is dying comments.
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I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, TRICK
but I think it helped a little with Waisome, KB and Jernigan. Maybe not much with the class overall.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Hadn't we already pretty much "flipped" Benjamin prior to the change?
Definitely on Jernigan. And Waisome’s an odd story. I guess I look at it in more of a “It didn’t help us too much, but it certainly didn’t hurt us” way.
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And I'm not deaf.
Or blind.
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I know, just wanted to avoid a long argument.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Long argument averted.
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Tricknole—Notice the first part of what I described as the “perfect storm.” Despite the turmoil down south, this never would have happened without the exemplary efforts of the new coaching staff. Nothing is being “taken away” from anyone. Admittedly, “death spiral” is hyperbole. It’s a device employed in about 4/5ths of the posts on this (and other) boards. You’ve probably heard of it, right? That being said, Miami does have a critical illness that could turn out to be terminal. (Again, hyperbole, but you get the idea.)
I saw it.
Seemed you gave it equal parts our coaches doing a good job and our rivals being down. I’d put it much more like 90/10. Jmo.
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90/10 might fall into the hyperbole category too, but your status as an apologist has been sufficiently established. I didn’t mean to marginalize the current staff or get into a “I can defend Jimbo’s honor better than you” competition. All I meant to say is that in addition to the staff doing a great job, the delta between FSU and UF/UM got even wider because of the problems experienced by the two rivals.
I just think we had the vast majority of our class locked up before the coaching changes took place.
That’s why I said 90/10. I’d go 80/20 but probably not much lower than that. The changes obviously didn’t hurt us. No disagreement there.
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I love that we picked up Austin Barron, but
did his 2 star ranking cost us the #1 spot in rivals or did it not play a factor? Sorry if this has been discussed or mentioned.
I believe Barron is a Greyhshirt and counts toward 2012, not 2011 recruiting class.
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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 4, 2011 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
The 2012 recruiting class but the 2011 recruiting rankings.
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Didn't play a factor
Once we missed on Steward we didn’t have a shot at the top of Rivals.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 4, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
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It’s “didn’t play a role” (think about it) or “wasn’t a factor”.
I’m on a mission: “play a factor” makes my head feel like it’s going to explode.
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of a class when doing their rankings.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 4, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
So why did our total points drop when Jenkins committed?
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And go up when we traded Lynch for KB.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
higher rated 3 star that had impact at the time of commitment.
Counted in the 20. Rivals has FSU at 15 four/five stars. So some three stars factor into the numbers. They will take the best three because they still use the weird 6.1 scale.
So the low 3 star/2 star guys don’t weigh in. I saw a post on their for the formula they use-it is absolutely ridiculous.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2011 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Still not sure why he would have made it drop....
Like I said, their formula is insane to get to their point total.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2011 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't really clear anything up for me.
We already had over 20 commits at the time. The bottom handful were 3*. If he replaced some other 3* in the 20 that counted toward the rankings, he’d have to be worth more points, right? If he wasn’t worth more points, he shouldn’t have replaced anybody and he wouldn’t have been counted and our points wouldn’t have changed at all.
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Said it above, not really sure either.
Perhaps it changed the star average and that gets put in their huge formula but doesn’t weight heavily. Don’t know. Was it the actual point total or was it just the star average? The Mysteries of Rivals…we may never know.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
We decreased by 3 points.
I assumed there had to be a small portion of the rankings that included the overall star average but never recalled seeing that was actually part of the rankings.
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Brissett commits to FU
Weis says he’s happy to have Jacoby Brisket
He's a good player
grats to them…. and Miami falls even further
by StM on Feb 4, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
UF adds a talented bench player, and UM adds no backup to Morris in 2013/14
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Brissett wants to play basketball too.
How good of a back up plan will he be if he is with the Gates’ B-Ball team instead of taking snaps during spring practice? I hope that they are relying on him big time and he does well for Donovan.
Brisket...
HaHa… I see what you did there. Big Bubba goin after Jacoby shows how raw he thinks Bubba toothed Driskell is. Either way, while it will improve their QB comp, still only one of em can hurt us.
you have to wonder why though
he could’ve come to play for us and compete with coker for a job. Or, he can go sit behind driskel b/c he seems to be the obvious successor to their three headed monster. Weis must have gotten in the kid’s head? maybe billy d gave him a shot, who knows?
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Brisset's primary motivation seemed to be early playing time,
from what I read. I would think this wouldve pointed him towards UM. Unless Weis intimated to Brisset that he didnt think Driskell translated well to his system.
Agree.
Brissett plays at UF next year. It would be 3 @ FSU. Miami seems the better opportunity, but coaching-wise + playing opportunity, UF was the better decision.
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IS his demand to play hoops still open
and, does Eddie Munster have a spot for him on that basketball squad? The more drama in Gutersville the better……..
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i thought jacory wanted to play immediately?
He’s NEVER going to play behind Driskel…
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I've been high on Driskel,
but I don’t think he is that he is guaranteed the job.
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Why do people think Driskel is some all world qb?
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Because he is the second coming of Tebow, Duh !
by Tony Mustian on Feb 5, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
He is very talented.
Pretty raw, but very athletic and has an absolute cannon.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, he's a good prospect, but so good that people write off a guy like Brissett?
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True.
I wouldn’t write off Brissett either. Think they will compete. I’d rather him go to UF as some have said. While it gives UF a better chance at finding the right QB it leaves UM high and dry. Can only play one at a time-of course UF might have different ideas. HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I don't want UF to find the right qb, but I'd rather Miami have no qb.
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Exactly.
The pros of UM not having one is better than the chance of UF finding the right one.
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Miami having a good QB makes them slightly more of a threat
but still really unlikely to get a win in the next 3 years.
UF having 2x the chance to strikeout of a QB makes them more scary and a significantly better shot to beat us in the next 3 years.
I’d rather Brissett gone to Miami. He still doesn’t beat us there.
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Well, right now
Morris has showed he could be great. He also could have been ruined by last year. His performances went down. But, he’s all they got, right?
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technically Highsmith too
so yes. that’s all they got.
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The Sun Sentinel printed a short article on Highsmith
that said he requested a change to DB. If that is true, then UM has Harris, SR, Morris, Soph, and nobody.
hm, interesting.
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How has Morris shown he could be great
His good games came against the worst teams on their schedule. IMO all he has shown is he can be better than Harris.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure he showed that even.
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In his very first game
under the same Jake Leg offensive scheme, he moved the ball very effectively, passed precisely with a STRONG arm at times and touch, at times. The huddle responded to him. So did the crowd. Just my opinion but he looked every bit as good as Ponder did as a sophomore(?) against VT in Blacksburg when he made his first meaningful appearance. I saw him play and wondered if Jacory would ever make it back. My judgment (no expert), kid looked very promising. He seemed to play a bit more poorly every game thereafter. Go figure.
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I think they responded
bc the backup is always popular when the starter is sucking. They were more relieved than anything else. He does have a stronger arm than Harris, but that isn’t saying much. And since he was playing against the weaker teams on the schedule he faced less pressure and had bigger windows to throw in. Basically he looked better by default by missing playing against FSU, VT and UNC.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
You can have a big window
and maybe that settles a QBs nerves, but he was putting the ball on the money at first, with zip when needed, and not wasting any time in the process. Quick decisions, accurate arm, leadership. I thought the kid looked like he could be an excellent QB, sooner thazn later.
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Disagree a bit
Miami already has a bunch of solid RBs and can find WRs easily. The position that is harder to find down south, and still takes time to coach up, is QB. If they landed Jacoby they could have had a monstrous offense in 2 or 3 years which would increase their chance of winning.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
You cant write off Brisset...very talented and the Gators were smart to sign him.
Driskel might be pissed, but he also might be drafted high enough to go Baseball. Gators are CYA themselves
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Feb 5, 2011 8:08 AM EST up reply actions
Not writin him off...
But Driskell is the better prospect, has enrolled early and will be ahead of Brissett in learning the offense, and Brissett will not catch up if he continues to pursue basketball.
Barring injury, of course.
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by pasadenanole22 on Feb 5, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't throw out "better than Brissett" so liberally.
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Driskel doesn't have the greatest football IQ
Weis has a very difficult system to grasp. If Brissett progresses mentally and stays off the b-ball court he could definitely beat out Driskel. UF isn’t dumb, they realize staking their future solely on Driskel is an extremely risky proposition
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
For 1 - all # 1 in the nation QBs get a lot of attention
plus the kid looked pretty good in the UA game. And 2 – im not so high on Brissett – if he was all that, i think Jimbo would have done his best to lock him down, regardless of what Brissetts intentions were
What makes you think he didn't do his best to get him?
I know it’s a big Jimbo love fest right now and I’m in on it. But, every guy FSU recruited and didn’t get folks around here assume it’s because Jimbo lost interest or the other guys paid. Don’t mean to pick on you, it’s everywhere on TN.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 2:03 AM EST up reply actions
It was my understanding that CJF stopped recruiting Brisset b/c Coker got a bit ticked..
So I’m not sure Jimbo & Co gave it 100% with him. They pulles back the reigns for fear of losing Coker.
by PaNole on Feb 5, 2011 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know where that came from. Maybe a rumor started on TN?
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe WC.
No one anywhere that has any credibility has said that, but there IS some dope on WC saying something similar.
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I think it was tea leaf reading
We suddenly dropped off Jacoby’s lists after being the pick for months at the same time that Bama offered Coker. People took it as a bird in the hand situation.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
From what I remember
It came from Bama fans after Bama offered Coker. Also about the same time FSU stopped recruiting Brissett. Brissett also said somewhere that he didn’t feel FSU was recruiting him as hard as other teams (throughout the year)
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Exactly my point
These conclusions are being drawn from what “fans” are saying and a quote from the player. Does that mean Jimbo really didn’t want him? I don’t know, but it’s getting ridiculous to write off every kid that signs somewhere else as “we didn’t really want him”, or “$$$$”.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Bama was/did gonna make a big play for Coker
We had to play defense on that one. It seems pursuing Brissett wasn’t as important as retaining Coker in the staffs eyes and I agree
by westcoastnolefan on Feb 6, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
That's a little different than "Jimbo stopped recruiting him"
which is the predominant theme on this site.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
FSU is incapable of not landing a recruit they want.
That’s one reason I liked this site in the beginning, because it didn’t always paint rosy pictures. But now that Fisher is the head guy, I see the general thought on the site has changed, and excuses are being made much more frequently.
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Word.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 6, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not so sure it's necessary to call Steward a traitor.
Kid did what he felt was best for him
by fsucj2431 on Feb 4, 2011 11:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was a little overboard.
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I thought it was hilarious
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Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Feb 5, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
You just made it funny.
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Great supplement to this story
From the Palm Beach Post: FSU’s shining 2011 recruiting class has a distinct South Florida feel, and that’s not by accident:
In the past five years, FSU has signed a total of 26 players from this area – 13 from the Treasure Coast and Palm Beach County area and 13 from Broward and Miami-Dade Counties.
In the five years (2002-06) before Fisher’s arrival? They signed 11, three from Palm Beach County, none from the Treasure Coast and eight from Broward and Miami-Dade.
Also some great quotes from Jessie Hester, former ’Nole reciever (now coaches high school in south Florida) about how lazy FSU got recruiting the area and how Jimbo is turning that around. Another quote about Stoops trying the morning of singing day trying to get Maggitt to switch from Tennessee to FSU.
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haha, that is exactly what I was thinking.
Article says they were on him to the very end, perhaps they had a shot at getting him to switch.
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Glad Daniels sort of likes us
Doubt he would ever push a kid our way, but hopefully it stops him from pushing a kid away. Some Canes are convinced he played a part in Jacoby going to UF.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
From the stuff I've read on the JWJ commitment
he was always honest with FSU and his players. Didn’t seem like a guy to push a kid in any direction. I have read that more than anything it was Matt Elam that pushed Jacoby to UF. Apparently they are really good friends. Daniels seems like a pretty stand up guy.
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I'd like to an updated south Florida signee chart that Bud or...rico(?) were posting on here last year.
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yeah, I like Maggitt's skills a lot
glad he didn’t go to UF. Too bad we couldn’t get him in
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I recall some UF fans...
…predicting the demise of FSU football (in the midst of Meyer’s stint). As if FSU was some kind of aberration…that the Seminoles beating the gators to the truly national stage and to the national championship was just a hiccup. No chance. FSU will give uf hell for as long as there’s football. The hopes that this state would someday be unified as “gator nation” with a few also-rans in laughable. FSU is becoming the big dog again…and the cycle continues. There will be no permanent heir to the State of Fla football throne. I just hope that FSU can hold the seat the most often.
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Well to be fair,
During Urbs time at UF, Florida State football WAS dying…
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by onebarrelrum on Feb 5, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
they were saying it was basically permanent...
in their snotty, elitist way…that FSU would be relegated to some kind of directional school status…and UF would shine above the rest forever. Not all of them…but I saw numerous references to it. As if UF would eternally become what Ohio State is to the Buckeye State…or UTx is to Texas…or USC is to Cali. Ain’t gonna happen. FSU built too much tradition and support, too fast for UF…even with its many competitive advantages.
No, pretty much all of them said that.
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Was talking to a Gator fan before the year started,
I told him the rivalry will be competitive again. He said “Yea, Georgia and Tennessee fans say the same thing.” I haven’t seen him since they lost to South Carolina.
UGA and Tenn. fans do say that.
But they’re morons.
Some players move chains and some change numbers on the score board.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Feb 5, 2011 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. It all goes in cycles. FSU dominated certain parts of the 90’s. I guess you could say that Miami had the their time as well. UF was very good in the mid-90’s. The early 00’s were Miami, and the later half of the 00’s was clearly UF…and now it looks like FSU has the top spot.
Cycles. With UF and FSU getting the majority of them. Within the last 20 years or so. And that doesn’t appear to be changing.
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I'm pretty sure FSU dominated the whole 90's
Even when gainesville won their NC in 96, FSU beat them that same year. You dont go an entire decade with 10 plus wins and consecutive rankings in the top 4 and say ‘certain parts.’ FSU never lost to spurrier at home and beat spurrier in hogtown.
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by SteadfastNole on Feb 5, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't call it cyclical.
But you can’t stay on top forever. That part is true.
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This
I am completely against the cyclical explanation. Every time a team falls off you can see it coming if you look hard enough. They either loses coaches and don’t replace them with other quality coaches, or they get complacent after a run of success. Talk of cycles makes it look like things are out of anyone’s control. Our state is just unique in that once one school starts screwing up there are other schools that can pull in most of the talent which puts them on top of CFB.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
So I've seen in a few articles today that:
Jenkins said he’s going to be a middle backer, Fisher said we may have a couple not qualify, we are hoping to not have to greyshirt any signees, and the average size of our signees was 6’2.5" and 247 pounds.
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Pretty sure the 'not qualify'
bit is his way of saying, “Terry Bell will not make it.” Really hoping everyone else does. Greyshirt for the other guy…
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I'm worried about Jernigan.
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Really?
he seems intelligent enough to me.
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by freshcollegeboy on Feb 5, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
supposedly borderline.
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According to?
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just seen it in a few different places.
I’ll see if I can drag one up.
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I would also like to know if Bud has some knowledge of this.
seriously not trying to stir things up.
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FSU already #1 for the 2012 team rankings...
Do we expect 2011 results for the 2012 class?
I know it will be a smaller class, but with the talent we’re bringing in for 2012 it seems we could average 4 stars or have 50%+ be espn150s.
Thanks for posting this FSUjab!
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What about UF's class size?
Even before Meyer quit, wouldn’t their smaller class size this year affect their recruiting ranking?
No they could have taken 27. They will take an enormous class in 2012
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'11: Conference Champions?
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Well 28 max (per SEC rule)
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
They can count 6 EE's back to 2011 and not count against the 28, per the SEC rule.
So I think they can sign 31. The SEC rule was only to make it look like they were trying to curb oversigning. Just trying to get the media off their back.
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What might hold them back
is their President. You can’t have the top dog come out against oversigning and greyshirting, then the very next year you sign 30+ kids.
by osceolafan2.0 on Feb 5, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
I think Machen was talking out his butt.
He hadn’t stopped his university from oversigning before. Highly doubt he will now. If he wants to get the rules changed so that everybody has to adjust, that’s one thing. But he won’t intentionally hinder his school.
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I went to the PC Seminole Club meeting last night
Coach Craig was the guest speaker. He showed film and talked about this years class. When KB came up, he said think of Randy Moss. I sat beside Tay Cody and he was really excited about this class. He really liked Nick O’Leary, he was telling me how a great TE really causes a lot of problems for the D. Hearing that from a former FSU All American made me feel even better about this class. Just wanted to add that coach Craig and Tay were to of the nicest people you could meet.
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by jskipnole on Feb 5, 2011 12:06 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Sooooo envious right now.
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Has there been any news on what made Tony Steward chose Clemson.
I ask because he didn’t look real happy at his announcement, and his mother, and brother looked kind of pissed. At least thats how it looked to me.
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Most likely playing time and Steele.
I think you and the others on this site that saw an upset Steward family and a “shit eating grin” of a coach are reading into the announcement what you want to. I thought his mom looked fairly supportive of his decision with her head nodding at a few times during the ceremony. The little brother is just a kid. Of course he’d be sad his brother is going to a rival.
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Now why would I want to read anything into his announcement? And I don't even know what "shit eating grin" you are talking about.
Don’t bother to answer because I don’t care. fmnole gave me the answer. Thank you fmnole.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of people on here commented that the coach had a shit eating grin and that was their reasoning that Clemson did something fishy and used the coach to lure Steward. If you don’t think that then what I thought was wrong.
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I didn't think that. Its cool, just wasn't trying to start an argument.
His mother and brother really didn’t look happy to me, and he didn’t look as excited as the other kids that signed that day did. I have no vested interest in that being the case. He seems like a nice guy. His mother, and brother seem really nice too. I hope he is very happy, and has a lot of success. Just not against us. Maybe in 5 years or so we can land little bro.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
They didn't appear too excited.
But his mom nodded in support/agreement a few times to things Steward said. His brother is likely upset that his brother is going to play for a rival of one of his favorite teams. I’m sure his mom had a little of that going on as well. Steward never seemed like the type that wanted all the attention or hoopla. Perhaps he was more uncomfortable with the announcement ceremony than anything. All just best guessing on my part.
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Thanx.
I didn’t know if he had given any reason. What you said makes sense of what I saw. There were a lot of people outside with FSU signs. That might have made him uncomfortable. He really seemed torn.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't put much into the whole thing
until I read what Bud said.
He doesn’t run his mouth about something like this unless he knows something from the inside. Clemson might be joining New Mexico and Auburn in the sell your soul club.
insert credence
been a long day (actually I’ve been editing all day, so there’s no excuse)
Maybe the coach was paid off but that doesn't change my opinion that people made up what they wanted while watching his commitment ceremony.
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I live in the Greenville area.
We get the Clemson station. They had an on the spot reporter for the announcement. He reported that the scene “looked like an FSU pep rally.” The local guys all picked FSU and were surprised an delighted by the choice. Steward’s motive has recently not been explained as “playing time.” The spin here is that he chose Clemson because of the family atmosphere and the feeling that he would be “well-taken care of.” Watched after. Nurtured. Comforted. Made to feel at home.
What gets me is that Clemson fans and most of the experts here, riding the crest of their recruiting triumph, have not even considered what their biggest and most important ACC rival is doing. They look at Watkins and Bellamy (my guess is they were not the grown-ass men that Jimbo wanted) and Steward and the other big time linebacker they got and are ready to dominate the ACC. All the talk is about their unbelievable class—which is fantastic, considering—but they are absolutely ignoring FSU when it comes to considering their immediate fortune in the Atlantic Division. I liked Clemson when I moved here five years ago. I still like them much better than SC—but man they are the biggest bunch of homers I have ever seen.
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Those are other reasons he chose Clemson.
Forgot about them. Said he liked the small town feel of it. We most certainly would’ve taken Bellamy and Watkins had they wanted to come. They never seemed to have much interest in us, however.
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Why is it so hard for some here to admit that other schools have things to offer?
After any kid that we had interest in goes somewhere else, it’s because they really weren’t good enough for us, or they got under the table money, or they were afraid of the competition, or they’re just attention whores, or…the list goes on. I hate losing kids like Spiller and Steward to Clemson, just like I hate losing any highly ranked player to a rival, but to try to make Clemson or Florida or Miami or Auburn out to be awful schools with ugly girls and sorry coaches is just asinine. And the thought that we are now so good that none of these schools can possibly compete with us is equally asinine.
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I hope you didn't some how get that out of my question. Because I never said anything even close to that.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not.
It’s just a prevailing theme on message boards. He said it for the same reason I mentioned it to you earlier. It’s a rampant “problem”. lol
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I got ya. I have seen it, but I have never said anything like it.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Hadn't read your question when I commented.
What you said was way inside the lines compared to some of junk I was referring to.
That cool.
I went back and read the wright up that started this thread again, and some more of the comments on it. I had not read all of them. I kind skipped to the bottom to ask the question. You may have jumped to conclusions with my comment, but I can see a bit better why you did. Some of the stuff is over the top. Especially for a kid and family like Tony Steward’s. At least in my opinion, but you know what they say about opinions.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Feb 5, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Are you saying Watkins and Bellamy both eliminated us early?
Not challenging you… I truly don’t know. Just seems strange that with all the caché we had this season we would not get even a look from two Florida boys—no visit, no nothing? I assumed we must not have pursued them because they are, as I recall, smallish. Plus Jimbo’s sarcastic comment about “looking for a 180 pound back” in the last eight games of the NFL playoffs. It made sense.
:-)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
SWFLNole would be a better one to ask. But if we wanted Greene, why not Watkins? If we wanted Freeman, why not Bellamy?
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I thought Watkins....
…was much smaller than Greene and Bellamy much smaller than Freeman. That’s the basis for my assumption, which even then may be wrong. Don’t know much about either guy but I believe I had heard they are not big guys at all.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
The sites list Greene at 6' 170-175 and Watkins at 6'1" 180-185.
They list Freeman at 5’8-10" 180-195 and Bellamy at 5’10" 175-190.
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Freeman is a great fit
to our zone blocking scheme.
Also, look to see more passing to backs, one thing that EJ actually does better than CP7 did.
There you have it.
Not much difference. I wonder why those two so thoroughly dissed us?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
How did they diss us?
FSU hadn’t been all that great while they were growing up and our recruiting staff was pretty poor until a year ago. They liked other schools more. Life goes on. No “dissing”.
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That is the definition of dissing as I understand it
Dismissing (as irrelevant, unimportant, etc.)
My surprise was due to the fact that I had hoped and expected Jimbo and company had made enough noise, enough changes, that they would at least take a peak (like so many others did.)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
to belittle someone; to show disrespect for someone.
Neither belittled us or publicly disrespected us. They just weren’t interested. Again, no dissing.
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I stand corrected.
Went to the Urban Dictionary and looked it up. I used the word incorrectly
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
This is what I call, "Echoes of the Lost Decade"
there will be guys like this, maybe just a couple more over the next years because other teams had such a head start and recruited these guys since freshmen. To us, that seems like a minor thing, but to the student-athletes, its a development of long term relationships that allow them to feel more comfortable with the coaches.
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I agree with you
Except for AU, that school is dirty, everyone knows it , it’s waiting to be proven.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
and New Mexico
Kiffen level morals there also.
Unfortunately no cares about a 1-10 team's violations.
I am addicted to Tomahawk Nation
by pasadenanole22 on Feb 8, 2011 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
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