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Florida State Seminoles Football Spring Preview 2011: Running Backs

This is the third in a multi-part series covering Florida State Spring football practice. Previously, we looked at quarterback and receiver.  For the second year in a row, FSU had an excellent running game.  FSU has a diverse attack featuring both zone and man blocking, behind a typically excellent Rick Trickett offensive line.  

The running back position received a major upgrade last year with the addition of coach Eddie Gran.  FSU fans will remember that former RB coach Dexter Carter was effectively relieved of his duties as running backs coach around mid-season after his backs missed 70% of the proper holes in the 2009 Boston College game (backs combined for 15 carries for 23 yards).  Enter Gran, who is widely regarded as one of if not the top running backs coach in the country.  You can read up on Gran here.  And a tremendous profile of Gran the family man here.  Having coached backfields that led the SEC in rushing 5 times, Gran has a reputation for being very detail oriented.  Most teams stash their best recruiter at running back coach, even if he can't coach.  Gran is arguably FSU's best recruiter, but he is also a tremendous coach.  He's also an excellent special teams coordinator, a role he will continue to fill at Florida State.  In his first year with FSU, the 'Noles continued their excellent running game.

 Numero Uno
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Chris Thompson

The diminutive Chris Thompson turned in an excellent season for the 'Noles in 2010 as a sophomore.

Last Spring I wrote:

The 5'8" 178 lb spark plug from nearby Madison is another one of the promising players from the 2009 offensive class.  Chris Thompson battled injuries and the death of his grandfather last season, but still played well when called upon. Thompson rushed for 120 yards on 23 carries, a 5.2 average. He also caught two balls for 10 yards. Thompson has tremendous hands and it's entirely likely that he catches 20 balls next season as he becomes more comfortable in the offense. Thompson is a quiet, no-nonsense, yes sir, no sir kid with a tremendous work ethic. His goal for Spring should be to continue to add weight and improve his blocking.

Thompson's 846 yard effort is one of the best 20 in Florida State history, though that history of rushing seasons is really not that impressive. Thompson's average numbers are definitely inflated by three 70+ yard runs against BYU, Miami, and Maryland.  It's not that the runs don't count, but that they do skew his average.

Thompson is extremely quick and pretty fast.  Thompson runs even lower than his 5'8" frame and is difficult to tackle.  He does an excellent job of hiding behind his blockers before bursting through the hole.  And it is typically the correct hole.  Thompson's best attribute is his consistency.  The coaches love him because he is consistently correct.  He hits the right hole.  He blocks the right person.  He takes the right angle.  He shows up to practice on time.  

But Chris Thompson would not have won the starting job without his dedication to the off-season program.  Thompson went from 178 pounds to 186 pounds thanks to the fourth quarter program, enabling him to run inside the tackles.  Relative to his size, Thompson is one of the strongest players on the team.  He stayed mostly healthy, but was hampered in the Virginia Tech game with an ankle injury.   Thompson likely will never be a 200 carry back, not that FSU would ask him to with its multiple-back system, but he can probably handle 150 carries.  EJ Manuel seems comfortable throwing him the ball as well.  There isn't an immediately-improvable aspect of Thompson's game that he needs to work on this Spring.  I'll say he needs to make sure to not fall in love with hitting home runs.  In baseball, a player often does poorly when he tries to hit a home run.  When the player tries to have a good swing in a good at bat, the results follow.  Much is the same for a running back.  Get the yards the play calls for and if the opportunity is there to spring, then spring.  I guess he could also work on his pass protections, though I think that is a function of his size.  He isn't missing spots.

Star-divide

Inconsistent Power Back
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Ty Jones

5'10" 210, Senior

Last Spring I wrote:

Carlton Jones, AKA Ty Jones came to FSU from Tampa Middleton HS as a relatively unheralded two-star recruit. Even those who followed Tampa HS ball were not that impressed with Jones. But he overcame some academic issues and made it to Florida State in the Fall of 2008.

But academics aren't Jones' biggest problem. Jones struggles with Type-1 Diabetes. He failed the manage it over the last two seasons and as a result, his weight fluctuated wildly. He did not do what was expected of him and is essentially still a freshman in terms of physical development.

Jones also struggles picking up the mental part of the game, with costly missed assignments and blocks.

But when Jones is on, he can really play. He's just wildly inconsistent. This Spring, Jones needs to show a serious dedication to taking care of himself. He has a ton of ground to make up in the weight room. Jones is not an effective player at 200 lbs, but could be very good at 225. It's very likely that Jones 2010 season will decide whether he finishes his career at Florida State or transfers. And Jones must really put it together right now in order for him to even get a look during the regular season.

Jones did enough in 2010 to stick around, including handling his diabetes better.  He worked his way up to 210 pounds and provided some good running in some games.  But Jones was still inconsistent, was still kicked out of practice at times (including before UNC), and still had those troubling mental errors.  When he is good, he's a very good back.  But when he is bad he is a mess.  In sum, he's not dependable.  This is his last chance.  At least he will get his degree.  He needs to be more dedicated to the game.

 

 

 

 New Face
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Devonta Freeman

5'9" 195 Freshman

Devonta Freeman took care of business in the classroom after winning a state championship for Miami Central and enrolled at Florida State this January.  All report so far have been positive.  Freeman already looks the part of a college back.

The first thing you notice about Freeman's film is his toughness.  He is a hard-nosed runner with excellent forward lean.  Freeman aggressively hits the hole and doesn't dance much. Freeman really does a nice job exploding out of his cuts, as opposed to some backs who must gather themselves and lose speed.

He has good but not great speed. When you watch his tape, he does not seem to be a huge home-run threat, but that is ok.  Freeman also is very willing to block and does a nice job catching the ball.

Freeman will dictate his playing time.  What I mean by that is he has as much ability as any back on the roster.  If he can learn the scheme and the protections (no small task), he could easily rise up and even be the starter.  That's not easy, but running back is a position where freshmen often contribute.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What Is His Role?

Jermaine Thomas

5'11" 190, Senior

Last Spring I wrote:

The backs begin with Jermaine Thomas. The Junior from Jacksonville's First Coast HS has been a standout performer for the Noles in his first two seasons. The 6'1 200 LB Thomas led the Noles in rushing last season with 810 yards and an impressive 5.10 average. Thomas greatly benefited from the Carter role reduction. Thomas went from 3.0 yards per carry to 5.5 yards per carry under the instruction of the offensive line coach instead of the running backs coach. It should also be noted that Thomas battled injuries earlier in the year, but the improvement was noticeable across the board for all of the backs.

Jimbo Fisher was rumored to be very disappointed with Thomas early in the year. Could it be that some of that frustration was caused not by Thomas, but by the guy instructing him? In any case, Thomas is a good back who seems to fit Florida State's zone scheme, thanks to his balance and vision. Some believe that Thomas will become Florida State's first 1000 yard-rusher since Warrick Dunn in 1993. If he can keep his 5.1 average, he would need 196 carries to get there. That's 33 more carries than last season. It's possible, but remember that while at LSU, Jimbo Fisher's offense once led the SEC in rushing without having a single back eclipse the 550 yard mark.

Thomas played a lot of receiver in high school and has excellent hands. Look for him to have an expanded role catching passes out of the backfield in 2010. He caught 17 balls for 129 yards last season and I would expect that to increase to somewhere north of 20 this coming year. As for Spring, Thomas needs to continue to set the tone as the top back and continue to improve his blocking.

It was a disappointing year for Jermaine Thomas.  He was still inconsistent, and had those troubling mental errors.  When he is good, he's a good back.  But when he is bad he is a mess who fails to run hard and plays at half speed.  In sum, he's not dependable anymore.  And he got hurt in the Clemson game.  This is his last chance.  Jimbo has clearly lost faith in him.  And he had two off-season arrests for driving on a suspended license, which isn't a big deal, but it doesn't look good for a guy who is already not dependable.  At least he will get his degree.  He needs to be more dedicated to the game.

 

 

 

MVP?

Fullbacks

Lonnie Pryor

6'0" 215, Junior

Lonnie Pryor has a case for being the best player on Florida State's team despite only touching the ball 35 times for 181 yards.  

Pryor is a tremendous all-around player.  His blitz pickup is excellent.  As a run blocker he excels in open space and holds his own inside.  It is difficult to describe just how good Pryor is.  Very few teams have such a dependable pass protector.    

He is also a good runner when called upon to do so.  Many believe that Pryor should be FSU's primary back, but the coaching staff believes his skillset is better suited for the role of an all-purpose back, here cast as the fullback.  But when he gets his chances to carry the ball he does pretty well with it.  And Fisher rewarded him in some prime spots, as the lifelong-Nole scored touchdowns against the 'Canes and Gators.   

 

 

Debrale Smiley

5'11" 231, RS-Junior

After coming in with a ton of hype, Smiley was a major disappointment.  But rumor has it that it was not all his fault.  A nasty concussion in Fall camp may have caused some of the mental lapses he was rumored to have in practice, thus keeping him off the field.  This year is likely his last chance to make something of himself at FSU.  If he doesn't, he could end up transferring to another school to find playing time.  That is, if he loves football and wants minutes.  

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May be the deepest

backfield in the country and Im going to guess deepest in school history.

by FSU on Mar 11, 2011 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Spring preview

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Was he an EE?

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by SoCalNole on Mar 11, 2011 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Didn't think so. That's why he wasn't in the article.

Can’t wait to see what this staff does with this young man.

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by SoCalNole on Mar 11, 2011 1:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I really enjoy this series of articles.

Thanks for taking the time to put it together, year after year.

Also, I think that the comments on the WRs and RBs have been really spot on.

by IndyFSUnole on Mar 11, 2011 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed!

And I love the fact that you publish what you said last year, whether you were right or wrong. And usually, you were right. Excellent stuff!

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by GonzoNole on Mar 12, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Any guesses as to the post-spring depth chart?

I’ll go with:

Thompson
Freeman*
Thomas/Jones

*Might be wishful thinking, but that’s where I’m putting my bet.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 11, 2011 10:59 AM EST reply actions  

That's not wishful thinking

at all DKN. They way Bud made it sound, it seems like Devonta may be the new coach’s favorite

by Matt Champion on Mar 11, 2011 7:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If Freeman has a good spring

then Ty and JT may be buried on the depth chart by the time JWJ arrives on campus. For the record, I don’t see JWJ as the long-term guy at RB.

by Matt Champion on Mar 11, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He reminds me more of Warrick Dunn

He has such great balance and let’s his blocks form up in front of him. Little or no wasted movement with him. Watching that video of his season makes ya think that if he can stay healthy he could get a few carries a game and make an impact in his freshman year just like old # 28 did in ’93.

by CurtOFD78 on Mar 15, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write-up as usual Bud!

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by xfactor159 on Mar 11, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

This year is likely his last chance to make something of himself at Tomahawknation.

  If he doesn’t, he could end up transferring to another blog to find writing time. That is, if he loves blogging and wants to write.

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by kmp9494 on Mar 11, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think the coaching changes have done him some good...

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by GonzoNole on Mar 12, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys are wrong in so many ways.

If there was a SB Nation hell you would all be there.

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by Desman on Mar 11, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ty

Could you go into a little more detail about Ty’s problems as far as getting kicked out of practices? I know he struggles to maintain his weight sometimes and pick up the mental part, but I hadn’t heard that he had an attitude problem. I guess it would explain for his absolute disappearances at times during the season.

by PJB10c on Mar 11, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Lonnie "Service with a Smile" Pryor....

is an invaluable asset to this team. Any idea who backs him up? If not someone present in the Spring, will it be one of the newcomers in the fall?

by FOshizzleFSU on Mar 11, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

No "world" reference in the Lonnie Pryor section?

How can I take this article seriously?

He's a regular freddie wilson, that one

by noles84 on Mar 11, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

it would have if lonnie wrote the article world...

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by nole07 on Mar 11, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Ty Jones...

I know people will disagree with me but I thought last year when all three running backs were healthy Ty Jones was the one I wanted running the football. Early in the year (prior to his ankle injury) Ty ran the ball hard, broke tackles and just looked like our overall best back and I think that would have continued had he not gotten the high ankle sprain.

On several games I watched on TV, I would see Jimbo say into the headset “Gimme Ty, Gimme Ty” prior to calling the play… indicating he wanted Ty to run the ball on that particular play.

Like I said…just my opinion and what my eyes told me watching games last year.

by Albany_Nole on Mar 11, 2011 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

I agree, he looks like a potential NFL back when he is on

but disappears for long stretches. Great size, good speed, runs with power and balance. Just needs to focus and stay consistent.

by Dark Stranger on Mar 11, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I Agree

When Ty was “ON” he was the best back

by derekg on Mar 11, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll agree that I had similar thoughts

However, it’s apparent from Bud’s review that it’s not his running ability that is holding him back.

I am not knowledgeable enough to know when the RBs miss their assignment during pass protection, other than in the NCSt game when he ran into Ponder causing the fumble. I’m sure that was just one example of the lack of focus he has come to be known for, and I don’t think he is that much better than a healthy Thompson running the ball to put him at the top if he doesn’t learn to focus.

by BenDNole on Mar 11, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

its seemed game to game.

The best part is having 5 Rb that are all good is figure out in the first Qrt witch one is on for the game and let him run and the other come in to give him a brake.

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by Desman on Mar 11, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't tell

if that CT vid was his highlight vid or Lonnie Pryor’s. Holy schnikeys, that kid can block.

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by ricobert1 on Mar 11, 2011 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Rec! Cromartie needs to stay busy and make more future Noles!

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by GonzoNole on Mar 12, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Bud,

Did you have a “disappointing/inconsistent runner/mentally handicapped” template you followed for Ty and Jermaine? Just wondering bc i’m kind of chuckling at the last 2 sentences for both backs.

by Snyde on Mar 11, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

copy pasted and edited

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice time management ;)

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by SoCalNole on Mar 11, 2011 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I like the way They use Pryor

Everytime i see him line up in the backfield i’m thinking we are going to make a big play of some sort. With 181 yards on 35 total touches at 5.1 yards per touch, how many of those touches were for short TD’s? I remember a few times when we would line him up at the goal line. overall i think he is the “homerun” threat you talk about. Always want to keep him fresh and ready to go in to throw the defense a curveball.

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by NOLEcasterWX on Mar 11, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

I LOVE Lonnie Pryor

at first I used to think he should get the ball more, but i think they are using him perfectly. the all purpose back role is how he will be utilized at the next level and a smart nfl coach will recognize just how good he is regardless of the sexy stats.

by garnetandgold on Mar 11, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

He is gonna makes NFL coaches giddy, like that fullback for the JETS from kentucky. If anyone watched Hard Knocks.

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by kmp9494 on Mar 11, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

John Connor or Richardson??

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does Pryor look for the NFL?

He is super talented, but without proving his abilities in RB production, does that hurt him? Does he go as a FB? seems a bit undersized for the NFL FB position.

I know he is a junior, but still curious how this plays out assuming he continues to own the FB position for the next two years… and when I say own, i mean OWN.

Regardless, he is a great Seminole.

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by Neon Deion on Mar 11, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

im thinking the same thing

Sammy Morris type utility guy

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by nole07 on Mar 11, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

4-6th round pick is his best hopes

But I predict he will be very very successful.

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by ricobert1 on Mar 11, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL GM's/Coaches

will love what they find in Lonnie Pryor. Probably not a high round guy but will be productive and successful in the league

by truenole87 on Mar 11, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Feels like a

Steelers or Pats kinda guy. Low Key, smart, does his job, versatile.

by FSU on Mar 11, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

You have high praise for Gran on special teams

I think he was OK for year 1 – but the kick off return stats have got to be someone’s fault

by 93noleman on Mar 11, 2011 2:29 PM EST reply actions  

Reid and Greene.

Reid was better then Joyner by a mile!

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by SoCalNole on Mar 11, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rashad, freshman

Christian Green isn’t a terrible option though

by truenole87 on Mar 11, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

gotcha

forgot about him… I still think joynerat could be a great kr

by garnetandgold on Mar 11, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I love when Reid has the ball in his hands but I dont want him as a KR

I dont know if its is that Dif but when he gets a punt Reid is WOW. on KR I would like to see Joyner and someone else I think.

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by Desman on Mar 11, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

3 of 4 areas were very good. Kr concerned me early, but it did get better.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed but at some moments it was like that line..

well, other than that how did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?

by 93noleman on Mar 11, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't wait for Freeman

Freeman is the real deal..at least that is what I believe right now. He could easily be the first man off in relief of Chris Thompson this fall.

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by DOT COM on Mar 11, 2011 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

where have you been?

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by Miaminole on Mar 12, 2011 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Just re-watched the Miami game last night

And I’m not ready to dump Thomas just yet.

by devnole on Mar 11, 2011 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

Its like P Parker all over again.

2 years ago JT was where CT is right now. He has it in him and I think everyone knows this but its all up to him. If he wants to throw it away then later if not and he wants to work then he could be the RB for FSU.(well the starter they will all get the ball just some more than others)

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by Desman on Mar 11, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If Wilder stays at RB...

What will his role end up being? Will Fisher want to groom him as Lonnie’s replacement, a full-time multi-purpose RB/FB? Wilder could theoretically be more versatile than Lonnie, but he’s also a guy who could carry the rock repeatedly for a team.

by timephone on Mar 11, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

I like him in LP role, especially with Freeman

but thats not a popular opinion.

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by harper.rb on Mar 11, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I, too, like the sound of that.

by Gulfport Nole on Mar 11, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No way!

If (Now a very big if) JWJ is all that he is cracked up to be there is no way you limit a guy with that physical ability to less than 25 carries a year like LP is. If Wilder turns out to be as good as the staff hopes/thinks he has got to be carrying the rock a heck of lot more than that.

Thats no knock on LP because as stated he puts up an MVP peformance in that roll, its just that JWJ could be an absolute freak/Adrian Peterson type back who needs 150 attempts a year.

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by cmk07c on Mar 28, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Will we continue that RB by committee?

That is if one player truly steps up and becomes dominant running the ball, will we slate him as the starting RB; given a majority of the carries?

Or if only two guys really separate themselves will we just have a 2 back rotation?

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by SteadfastNole on Mar 11, 2011 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

I personally think that Jimbo showed in the bowl game

that if a guy puts in the work during the week, and clearly outworks the other backs, he will give that back the majority of the carries. 25 for CT, and 5 for JT and Ty combined.

He didn’t abandon the other guys getting the ball, but I wouldn’t call that a “RB by committee” game.

However, while I’m sure that CT earned that by his work in the preceding practices, I would think that if Jimbo had three backs healthy and focused, he’s stick with the RB by committee approach.

by BenDNole on Mar 11, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

When JT fumbled that ball(not sure if was down by contact, but we still kept the ball.

Jimbo yanked his but out of the game. Got to take care of the ball.

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by goatnole76 on Mar 11, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Depth

Just as with the receivers, the coaches have done a good job of building quality depth here. With the new coaching staff demanding that the team play a lot more physical than they did prior to the staff switch, this is huge. Also, the competition in practice for playing time is going to be great. Will only make everyone better.

by Noles32 on Mar 11, 2011 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

We have enought RB that we could lose 3 or 4 for whatever and still have 2-3 that can puck up the slack.(knock on wook) And most are still young. Also I wonder where JT and TY will fill as leaders(SR) in this group.

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by Desman on Mar 11, 2011 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll take Ty and Lonnie all day every day! Those 2 are my starters and thats my sportscenter fantasy…….

by Gentry Rogers on Mar 11, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

I think Greg was better but I am hopeful

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 11, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

JWJ is a better athlete right now than Jones was at same age.

Good reason to be hopeful.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 11, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones ran angry

What he lacked in pure speed he made up in ferocity. Even in the NFL, he can flatten people. Here’s a link to him hammering Derrick Brooks (40 sec mark). He’s one of my favorite Noles from the Dark years.

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by GonzoNole on Mar 12, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw JWJ play in HS and ALL I could think was “This kid reminds me of Greg Jones”

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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Jul 22, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love these...

Above any other position I am excited to watch these Rb’s…. And maybe the “new” Oline

by FSUNole51 on Mar 11, 2011 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

What I dont get is how the system works.

We have RB, FB, All-purp back, HB, and multi-back. WTF do they all do and also other than in a I formation where you have a RB and FB its normal to see random Backs in a 2back shotgun set. See thats not what I understand at all. This offence is to conf. for a simple mind like myself.

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by Desman on Mar 11, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Well for one thing, some terms you use are not mutually exclusive to the others.

Running Back (RB): general term the position that is responsible for carrying the ball.
Full Back (FB): general term for the position that is responsible for blocking for the RB.

All-purpose Back (APB): is a player who plays the RB position and is more than just a Tail-Back; an APB has the ability (greater than other RBs) to receive, go in motion, etc. JT would be considered the team’s APB.
H-Back (not to be confused with Half Back): Is similar to a APB, but scaled up. This is a multi-purpose player who can move from the FB position, to TE, to RB, and can also go into motion and run routes. Pryor, JWJ.
Tail-back/Half back (TB): is a player who is at his best carrying the ball. They are perhaps not the best receivers, so are generally limited to handoffs. CT/TJ.

(this is generally accurate for modern pro-style schemes. teams like GT who use completely different offenses will have roles for the same terminology: like the FB in the wing-T formation generally gets the load of the carries) AND after saying that; Not everyone uses all these roles (few pro style teams actually use an H-Back). Also, it’s not that any role is written in stone. I would imagine that all coaches would want all players to be as multiple as possible. The reality is that certain players excel doing certain things. So thats why coaches create packages that lets him control what ‘roles’ are on the field at any time and maximize his players’ abilities by placing them in the correct roles to succeed.

Now, everything that throws this all off is that no coach wants to be predictable. So yes, a player who is associated with being more of a Tail-Back than an APB may be asked to run a route. but generally, it is easy to see over the course of several games which players are associated with which roles.

So, when you see seemingly ‘random’ players in the two back positions next to the QB in the 3-wide, 2 back set; The idea is that each player is playing a specific role – perhaps one that he may not be the best for – but that allows for flexibility in changing the play and hiding the intent of a play. Also, when the QB makes an audible – and changes the roles of the players beside him, the defense cannot predict what those new roles are (e.g. they don’t know that JT is now the acting FB for a CT sweep – or the opposite).

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by harper.rb on Mar 12, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

First off thanks I actualy undersand that.

So in Therioy with so the wide veriaty of not just RB but with the WR and TE we now have our Playbook we could not only just out formation another team but acualy run like 3 or 4 playbooks. I see we could run a spread, the west coast, Pro-style or hell we could even run a Wing-T if we wanted. (I know JF would not do that) I wonder how much of JF playbook we have really seen.

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by Desman on Mar 12, 2011 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 13, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

my rotation would be

RB: CT/JT/TY
FB: LP/TY

This is from what I have see on the field. If Freemon, JWJ and Smiley find there where they fit then game on.

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by Desman on Mar 11, 2011 11:48 PM EST reply actions  

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