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Tomahawk Notes 03/12/11

FSU's assistants were extended by a year and given a 10% raise.  It's a good move that shows FSU is serious about football.

In a disappointing development, Andrew Carter reports that Willie Haulstead is down to 205 pounds.  Not sure if this was intentional.  Perhaps the coaching staff feels he isn't able to move as well at 215ish?  I don't see how that is a positive development.  But another part of me says to give this S&C staff the benefit of the doubt despite Willie having spindly arms.

In some good news, I've been told that Bert Reed is showing well in off-season workouts.  

In some even better news, Miami may be suspending stud tackle Seantrel Henderson for the 'Canes' season opener against Maryland.  

Here's a glowing review of Christian Ponder

Chat: Chat with Heather Dinich - SportsNation - ESPN

Q:  With Florida State having a great recruiting year do you see them as a top 5 teaming entering the season? Heather Dinich  (1:50 PM) Again, I don't think fans should tie the 2011 recruiting classes in with the 2011 results. Some will have FSU ranked that high. I think they're more of a 7-12 range.

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Finding new play makers on offense. No more Da’Rel Scott, who accounted for more than 2,200 rushing yards over his final three seasons. No more Torrey Smith, more importantly, the team’s leading receiver in each meaningful category and quarterback Danny O’Brien’s security blanket. The losses at receiver are very troubling: Maryland must also replace Adrian Cannon, who finished second on the team to Smith in receptions and receiving yards. O’Brien had a very strong debut season in the starting lineup; to repeat — or improve upon — last year’s totals, Maryland will need to find him targets in the passing game. The competition for snaps at receiver is Maryland’s biggest position battle of the spring.

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Getting experienced players to buy in. It’s not a very common occurrence, but Al Golden’s first season may — we have no way of truly knowing — give him his best chance at success with the Hurricanes. At the very least, he has the roster to have immediate success, which might help Miami regain some lost momentum on the recruiting trail. The key in 2011 will be to have an older roster buy into what Golden is selling from the start: seeing that the schedule takes off immediately, it will be vital that the team is on the same page come the first weekend of September.

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About this defense. Last in the A.C.C. in total defense, allowing 450.1 yards per game; second-to-last in scoring defense, giving up 35.4 points per game; last in sacks, posting all of one per game; and 10th in turnovers forced, leaving the Blue Devils a whopping -10 in turnover margin on the 2010 season. It doesn’t matter if David Cutcliffe puts together a strong offense, as he has before and surely will do again. If the defense doesn’t step up, the Blue Devils will again struggle topping five wins. The key factor will be beefing up a front seven that was not able to stand up during A.C.C. play; the defensive line in particular needs to improve, both against the run and in getting to the quarterback.

On another note, word is that Miami is going to two TE sets and not using a fullback. Recent position changes support the idea.

Virginia Tech's streak headlines ACC spring football questions - Andy Staples - SI.com

N.C. State: What will NC State do about its quarterback situation? Wolfpack coach Tom O'Brien will approach spring practice as if three-year starter Russell Wilson will not be back for his senior season. Wilson, a fourth-round pick of the Colorado Rockies in 2010, will play professional baseball this spring and summer. If Wilson decides his future is on the diamond, he won't be back. But Wilson has always believed he can play both sports professionally, and his athleticism on the football field suggests he could find a place in the NFL even if it isn't at quarterback. So N.C. State will move forward with 6-6 redshirt junior Mike Glennon, who has patiently waited for his turn. Last spring, he guided the first-team offense only to be supplanted when Wilson returned from baseball. Glennon, the younger brother of former Virginia Tech quarterback Sean Glennon, finds himself with a little more power this time around. He is on pace to graduate in May, meaning he could conceivably take advantage of the same NCAA transfer exemption used by cornerback Ryan Smith (Utah to Florida in 2006), quarterback Greg Paulus (Duke basketball to Syracuse football in 2009) and quarterback Jeremiah Masoli (Oregon to Ole Miss in 2010). Essentially, if Glennon isn't happy with the situation at N.C. State, he could declare himself a free agent. So it probably would be best for all involved if N.C. State gets a firm decision from Wilson soon. "The door is always open," O'Brien said on Feb. 2. "You always have to have options in life and he has that as an option."

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Wilson Question

How does eligibility work for Wilson when he is playing baseball the two semesters before football season? I assume he is not taking classes right now?

by CoasterNole on Mar 12, 2011 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

They must like Willie at the Y?

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 12, 2011 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing

Rodney at X
Willie at Y
Christian at Z

by BenDNole on Mar 12, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

willie isnt nearly quick enough to play the Y

but if you swap him and Green, you might have a good starting lineup. im still not sure how agile Green will be, since i havent really seen him at WR much, but he looks like he might have the quickness to do it.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 13, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

AC article says Joyner's up to 195

Wow. He can already cover just about everyone in the ACC one-on-one. He could be amazing at safety for us!

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 12, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

The big thing is evaluation. We’re already evaluating 2013 prospects.

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding…

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 12, 2011 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

Never really followed the draft

but can’t be more pleased and more interested to see how CP7 does. What a great story this could become. I hope to see him playing out here for the Niners.

by Kelly Huffman on Mar 12, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions  

Could

also end up a nightmare for everyone just out of college entering the Draft. A lockout/player strike appears to be imminent as negotiations failed yesterday between owners and the NFLPA.

by CPNole on Mar 12, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Would love to see him go to the Broncos and get the start over Tebow hahahaha

But in truth I hope the Vikinge or Saints pick him up. Dont keep up enough with Pro to know who really needs a QB and would take him;

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by Desman on Mar 13, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's a hint: the Saints don't need a QB for another 5-10 seasons AT LEAST.
But in truth I hope the Vikinge or Saints pick him up. Dont keep up enough with Pro to know who really needs a QB and would take him

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duke reminds me of a "Notre Dame jr."

With their academics, they have the ability to sign good, great, or maybe even elite offensive players. But those same academic standards also prevent them from signing elite defenseive players too. I think if Duke wants to have a winning program in football, they may want to consider going as a FBS Independent program from here-on-out.

by CCDFSU07 on Mar 12, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Why would going independent help them have a winning program?

They’d have no money without a conference.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 12, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What, in the name of God, are you talking about?

Elite offensive players are really smart and defensive ones are dumb? If Duke wants independence and a winning program they’ll find a good spot in the FCS.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 12, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I think offensive guys are much smarter on average. Probably because Dlinemen are the dumbest (per test scores), oline and QB are the smartest.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 12, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

This

The average (not sure if mean or median) goes like this OL and QB, than TE, than LB and S, CB and WR, than backfield and than DL.

by TheJim on Mar 12, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Average, not sure if mean or median?

Do you understand what an average is? Do you have numbers to support this claim?

*Irresponsible use/understanding of mathematics to support claims really, really annoys me. So, sorry if coming across a little harsh.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 12, 2011 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

There are different meanings to average.

Mean is just one type. Median is as well. If a certain response comes up more than all the others, it can be considered the average response.

A.K.A. geoofisfoagoos

by geoffissiffoeg on Mar 12, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be the mode. Try again.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 12, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

:bitchslap:

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 12, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Hilarious.

You didn’t inform him that median isn’t the same as mean, though.

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by tricknole on Mar 13, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

That sounds MEAN

I feel more like I do now, than I did before

gatornation - ungracious in victory, arrogant in defeat

by HaveNoleOption on Mar 13, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had composed an intelligent and well-reasoned response.......but instead will will just go play with my crayons.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duke would not the FBS to go down to FCS

Temple was a terrible football program that found its grounding as an independent and some success in the MAC.

And yes: Offensive players traditional are smarter than Defensive players. More complicated plays, schemes, and teriminology to comprehend as oppose to defensive plays.

by CCDFSU07 on Mar 12, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

As an independent...

Duke could avoid playing FSU, Miami, Va Tech, Clemson, etc because they simply do not have the athletes to match up. Give them a schedule with Vanderbilt, some C-USA/MAC/WAC schools and they may have a fighting chance.

Throw in some FCS schools from time to time and make the North Carolina game be your only BIG game to prepare for and Cutcliffe may have a chance at going to a bowl game. Which leads to more exposure, i.e. more money, i.e. better facilities, i.e. better athletes on BOTH sides of the ball.

I know some of you are probably thinking “Well Spurrier won the ACC with Duke. They’ve competed once before, they can do it again”. But mind you that was before FSU joined the ACC and well before Miami and Va Tech joined the party. Not to mention, the world of college football has chance significantly with the proliferation of stronger BCS conferences and newly implemented scholarship limitations.

Duke seems to be dead set on keeping its basketball dominance as priority #1 (which it should); but maybe leaving the ACC only in football would help in them finding a new chance at success on the gridiron.

by CCDFSU07 on Mar 12, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

A matter of pride

Can’t see any of the tobacco road teams leaving the ACC in any sport. Their alumni would revolt. I also don’t think Duke cares enough about football to go through with that plan. It worked for Temple because they were kicked out of the BE in all sports. For a school to do this voluntarily in one sport would take an AD with a lot of skill and vision, and the payoff for Duke still wouldn’t be that high because the odds of them becoming a major player in CFB would still be long with less money being made every year.

by osceolafan2.0 on Mar 12, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha. I was really just being overly dramatic there.

It would be interesting to see the data on test scores, though. I remember reading about some test score index the Ivy League schools use and that they’ll take a certain number of players with “lower” test scores as long as the class average is maintained above some threshold. It said they typically reserve the low spots for offensive skill players (including QB’s). I vividly remember thinking that might lead/mislead people into thinking it’s easier to find good athletes with Ivy League smarts that play offense.

I don’t accept any general claims about “averages” at face value, i.e. without data to support the claim. However, I don’t have any data to dispute that claim. So, I certainly won’t tell you you’re wrong.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 12, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally think that it's just a matter of numbers

I just think it’s easier athletically to excel on the offensive side of the ball. Obviously there are exceptions, but there are a lot of guys athletically gifted enough to play RB or WR. I think the talent just drops off faster on the defensive side of the ball….
Contributing factor: could be that most D1 athletes are the best player on the field their whole life and usually play some type of offensive skill position.

by BenDNole on Mar 12, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

To Duke they are the ACC where it matters to themselves! They dont give a rats arse about football as long as they continue to dominate one of the better basketball conferences.

1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!

by Seminole4Ever on Mar 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand their basketball dominance but perpetual mediocrity in football

Is it the small roster size in basketball that allows them to just nab a few great/elite players every year and call it a day, after a long history of building up their rep?

by stevib on Mar 12, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely. Coach K is a damn good coach.

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by tricknole on Mar 12, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

for a rat

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 12, 2011 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Your thinking of Shanahan.

THAT is a rat!

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Mar 13, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I like when Shanahan gets mad

And his one eye strays off…:)

by NoleySmokes on Mar 13, 2011 8:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the cock-eye always gets me laughing

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by FS4Nole on Mar 14, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like him, but he's good.

Very good.

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by tricknole on Mar 13, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 13, 2011 3:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Roster size

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 12, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

It is much easier to waive standards for 1-2 players verse 15+ every year. Also their past dominance has played a significant part in their future ability to attract top talent. Just think what FSU football would be if had not had our 10 year of dominance. Name appeal in BB just like we have in FB but not BB.

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by Seminole4Ever on Mar 12, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Teams like Duke don’t even necessarily need a waiver either. Notice how Duke most years does not have the most naturally gifted athelete but very good atheletes that work well with in the system and are willing to stay for more than a 1 and done.

by TheJim on Mar 12, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Jay Bilas, Johnny Dawkins,Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, Christian Laettner, Elton Brand, William Avery,

Corey Maggette, Carlos Boozer,Jay Williams, Shane Battier, Dahntay Jones, Nate James,Gerald Henderson Jr., and Kyrie Irving all disagree with you. Granted, Duke’s recruiting tailed off a bit in the mid 2000’s but they can cry me a river. They’ve had more McDonalds All Americans than anyone. This perception that their has always operated at some sort of talent disadvantage has always amused the hell out me as it is BS. Duke USED to actually have a reputation for not developing the high caliber talent they were able to get which is plenty.

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 12, 2011 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

You just made TJ's argument.

Talent does not necessarily equate to “naturally gifted athlete”.

by fsuclipper on Mar 13, 2011 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Almost all these guys were kids that every other school wanted (Except Jones)

Highly touted and highly skilled athletes. All of whom except James (And Irving of course) cashed NBA paychecks

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 13, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The fact that they cashed NBA paychecks supports the fact that they were talented.

The fact that none of them were superstars in the NBA tells me one of two things….that NBA coaches squandered the talent or they were excellent basketball players who understood their roles within the system and played team ball.

by fsuclipper on Mar 13, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Point being is that strictly as high school athletes

Everyone wanted them and Duke got them. So Duke was never operating with a talent deficit. Plenty of NBA all star game appearances in that group as well

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 13, 2011 1:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Point taken and accepted.

But with their W/L record and avg final rankings over the years these guys played, how do you contend that Duke squandered talent? Are there even 2 or 3 teams who outperformed them? Or won more NC’s?

by fsuclipper on Mar 13, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

"Squandering" talent was bad word usage on my part

They’ve won about about as many NCs as they should have with the talent they pulled IMHO. A lot of their really good players in years past (Ferry, Hurley, Laettner, Langdon, Avery, Williams,Dunleavy Jr.) have been disappointments as pros not to mention some highly touted kids who busted while at Duke (Sanders, Dockery,Plumlee). So they had a reputation for not developing all the McD’s all americans they pulled, not necassarily squandering talent.

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 13, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Avid hoops fan/player here

Had the chance to meet Coach K and be apart of one his clinics @ 5 Star.

In terms of player development, he is the best. In terms of getting gifted ATHLETES, not basketball players, he generally doesn’t look for them.

The chances that you make it huge in the league are minuscule and for most of the players you mentioned they did not have great athleticism to even elevate themselves to that status. (which is the point some other TNers are making)

Then, when you do get an athletic monster like Sanders, there is still a huge chance that they flop. Often an even larger chance as they tend to rely too much on athleticism.

Name me one program that gets highly touted McD’s all-Americans and churns out all-star NBA players on a regular basis (who aren’t considered “disappointments”)

by Trus1te on Mar 13, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roy Williams and Jim Calhoun have done a much better job at player development IMO

Coach K didn’t even want Ben Gordon after seeing him play in person in HS. And like I said previously he built his program going after McD AA and getting them at a higher rate than most other programs. He won 3 NC in 11 seasons pulling monster talent

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 13, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lotsa schools like that.

Culture, roster size, coaching…resource allocation.

Kansas, Kentucky, UNLV, Indiana, Arkansas, UConn, Georgetown. All suck at football, but have a distinct “basketball” culture. Sorry for the cliche, but “it is what it is”

Not many schools excel in both…those that have been “dominant” (in it’s loosest sense) are monster institutions like UF, Texas, Ohio State…schools that have enough resources to dump tons of cash into 2 different programs.

Also, pure volume works in their favor. When you’ve got 40,000 kids on campus, you’re bound to have a rabid basketball interest, no matter how bad you are.

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by CornNole on Mar 12, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with everything except for lumping Arkansas into that group of schools that suck at football.

They may not have the recruiting bed other schools do but they spend money and they have a pretty large/rabid fanbase.

by Blake Davis on Mar 13, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have suggested the answer in your post.

Duke is not concerned with having a winning program in football. If it should somehow occur, that would be fine. If not, so be it. Duke has one of the finest academic reputations of any univerisity in America. It has a basketball program that makes millions of dollars that the university does not need. Duke has an endowment that is huge. The interest of Duke University in having a winning football program is de minimus, as it should be in their case. I am proud that the Noles are in a conference that includes members such as Duke, and I hope that we remain in such good company.

by Nole75 on Mar 12, 2011 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I must now, with regret, note

that I misspelled the word “university” in the message above. I appologize in advance for any other errors that may have appeared in this, or the foregoing message. I remain unable to find the spell check when I come here to misspell and misscommunicate.

by Nole75 on Mar 12, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you get firefox or google chrome and you will have a spell check online all the time.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 12, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Misscommunicate was in a beauty pageant and lost.

Because she was marked down for misspelling miscommunicate. In advance, this is a poor attempt at lightening things up.

by fsuclipper on Mar 13, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Seantrel Henderson suspended huh?

Maybe the diva recruit/bust player theory is coming to fruition. I believe the only thing that can hold Henderson back from success is himself.

by PSLNOLE on Mar 12, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

News stations in Minnesota

are reporting a possible transfer to the University of Minnesota for Seantrel. Don’t see it happening, but still intriguing.

by mn nole on Mar 12, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see it either but

nonetheless my fingers are crossed

by PSLNOLE on Mar 12, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Haulstead is a 2 year project

Haulstead, just from the looks of him, has traditionally had a lot of dead weight on him, probably hurting his fluidity. I think they wanted to lean him out before they beef him up.

by Trus1te on Mar 12, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Haulstead's size isn't much of a concern for me either

It’s totally possible that both he and Smith are simply being re-shaped in an effort to pack more muscle unto their frames and are at an early stage in doing so

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 13, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s never been fast and now he doesn’t look very powerful

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 13, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is what I was thinking also

when willie was heavier he seemed almost out of shape heavy, hopefully breaking him down and building him up properly is the plan, and if not, like Ricobert said, at 205, he still remains one of our heaviest recievers, so I’m excited to see how it unfolds

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by jfree on Mar 12, 2011 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Pubic injuries?

Coley is known to have a wonderful sense of humor. I can’t help but wonder if he was putting the audience on with that response.

by Dauntless12 on Mar 12, 2011 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

No. He's being honest.

Groin injuries are common when intense movements and change of direction are performed; see X. Rhodes.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 12, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Coley's Q&A that appeared in Andrew Carter's blog

was the most imformative thing that I have seen about Spring. Thanks Bud for sending me there. Also the way he speaks of the team’s recruiting process is brilliant and very persuasive. He just killed the Q&A.

by Nole75 on Mar 12, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Nice to see the good reviews coming in on Ponder

I saw this on another sbnation blog

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/3/11/2044794/50-in-50-christian-ponder-qb-florida-state-2-of-50

Pretty negative Ponder review and says basically says he cost us a shot at the 2009 National Tittle, which is ummm a tad missinformed

He's a regular freddie wilson, that one

by noles84 on Mar 12, 2011 6:31 PM EST reply actions  

What?!?!?!?!

“Florida State was ranked 18th in the nation and looking to make a run at a National Championship that year. But at the hands of Christian Ponder, it was nearly an impossible feat”

NC? I think I were hoping to at least be bowl eligible at the beginning of the season. We sucked because of poorly coached safeties and undersized….everything. Not Ponder.

by CCDFSU07 on Mar 12, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I like to think of it as "one player away"

at just about every position.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 12, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

except qb and Oline

"We’re going to shoot for perfection every day, knowing full well we’ll never achieve it. But in the meantime we’ll find excellence" James "Jimbo" Fisher FSU Head Coach

by ColombianNole on Mar 12, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. It's OK to criticize Ponder if you want; plenty of nits to pick

but that “shot at a national title” statement really makes the writer look like he doesn’t follow football or understand it.
Think I’ll take Mayock’s assessment.

by hopnole23 on Mar 12, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

He accuses Nole fans that disagree with him as being "biased’ and therefore. However, there’s no one who has watched more FSU games and spent more time discussing Ponder than FSU fans. Our “Bias” is actually “information”, and he blatantly disregards the opinion of anyone with more information who disagrees with him.

by Meehl on Mar 12, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

its really dumb and as bud called it GARBAGE

for a minute i felt the need to make a comment n the board but them i read the responses the author gave and was totally stupid, plus he say bias is not accepted in the board when you can tell rom his article that is totally bias and uninformed, i think the only thing he got right was the name…
after saying that i have a question, i keep reading people saying that ponder only look at his first arget and therefore makes some mistakes, but if im not mistaken in 2009 he usually found 6 to 8 different targets a game, Im not an expert but 8 different targets sounds like he look at more than one target before attempting a pass, if any of you know why this is or if im totally wrong and he does locks to his primary target i would appreciatte to know

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by ColombianNole on Mar 12, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What is right

I really feel that CP upside will be a very good QB around the 10th best in the league but with that said he is still the second best prospect in this draft behind only Gabbert mostly because everyone else out there is just not a very good pro prospect. Its a joke that Locker is even discussed as anything other than a late round flyer that will be lucky to make it out of camp. Cam just does not have the experience that virtually all success NFL QB had. And everyone else has similar issues with either their Comp percentage or games started.

by TheJim on Mar 12, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Think you are absolutely right on about Gabbert

That article is as humorously inaccurate as it is bad. He ignores unhelpful things like “facts” and “data” and insists that he’s more accurate than the majority of experts because he’s watched “a significant number” of FSU games. After reading his article, I’m furious at Ponder for ruining our 09 MNC chances.

by paperjames on Mar 12, 2011 9:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah dammit! 09 was our year!!! We had the fastest defense ever how did Ponder blow that?!

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 12, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol at this
FSUBIT (McLean)


Who is going to back up EJ at QB for the noles. He is injury prone

Heather Dinich (1:18 PM)


That’s one question that should be answered this spring. Could be Rick Trickett’s son.

I dont see EJ as injury prone….

by fsugrizz on Mar 13, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Right but were these isolated incidents or do you consider him fragile.

He took some rough hits in the Clemson game and kept on strong. I dont see him as the Mike Vick style of injury prone. I guess I take injury prone as someone who is fragile, or tends to have the same re occuring injuies ala Percy Harvins ankle. Compound fracture of the hand hitting a helmet doesn’t mean injury prone and the surgery for last year’s spring was to clean out the shoulder but he played the season on it. Thus why ask about the backup because he is injury prone.

by fsugrizz on Mar 13, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this year is the firs year he is completing a spring practice

I think he is a guy who gets stupid injuries when he doesn’t know he is starting.

Hard to stay focused as a back-up. I’m sure he’ll be just fine as the starer. Will prolly get dinged here and there, but I think the talent around him is going to help him out much more than when Ponder started…with an all freshman line…

by Trus1te on Mar 13, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

How is your hand hitting a helmet

and injuryu caused by not knowing if your starting….seems more of an injury caused by a technique problem or just random luck. I dont consider his injuries over the past to be based on a lack of focus or being prone to be injured….just my honest opinion

by fsugrizz on Mar 13, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

Its just your general level of awareness. When there is no end in sight stupid things like hitting your thumb on the back of someone’s helmet tend to happen.

I’d agree with your statement, however, that these injuries may not be due to a lack of focus.

However, I will interject that once you know you are starting your focus is elevated, possibly reducing injuries due to lack of focus.

by Trus1te on Mar 13, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quarterback seem [sic] perhaps the 49ers [sic] largest area of concern. There’s little doubt that if Alex Smith is re-signed that he will be the only egg on the Niners [sic] basket.
In evaluating this years [sic] quarterback class, it seems like the consensus would suggest that there aren’t too many viable options to go after as the starter for years to come.

Did you evaluate the quarterbacks or the draft experts’ analysis?

However, sometimes stars emerge from the mid to late rounds… and even as undrafted free agents from time to time like Tony Romo and Kurt Warner.

So what you are saying is, “Most of he quarterbacks in this year’s draft suck. But, sometimes those sucky players turn out to be studs.” Great thesis.

Last year, there were several quarterbacks that I profiled. If you didn’t get a chance to look at any of the posts from the last off-season, you can go here to check them out and see how I did with the predictions. There were a few that I was off by a few rounds but for the most part, I was really accurate.

If the analysis last year is anything like this year, I am blocking off a 1/2 day on the calendar to indulge.

With that, let’s take a look at the Florida State quarterback…

Here are a few highlights of Ponder. Most of these come from his junior year before he started piling up the injuries. Remember, in viewing these that they are only his highlights.

All highlight films show the highlights. That’s why they are called highlights. Andy Dalton’s highlight film shows highlights. Cameron Newton’s highlight film shows highlights. You might not believe it, but even Ryan Leaf had highlights that were shown on his highlight film. Notice a trend?

If you were more thorough, perhaps you would have found film of Ponder in 2010. Or found raw film of him that exposes his weaknesses.

What you are saying is, “Here’s a terrible quality video I found by searching YouTube that shows Christian Ponder’s highlights from 2009. Nevermind his performance in the video, as it is simply highlights. He sucks way more than this film shows. Actually, I’m not sure why I bothered to show you this film, because I’m trying to convince you that he sucks. Seriously, he’s bad.”

He makes some pretty sound throws, but there’s been too many low lights to suggest that Ponder can be a starter in the NFL.

Which low lights? Is that it? “Trust me, I watched like 20 minutes of FSU football in the last 2 years and saw Ponder play a lot. He sucks.”

I watched Ponder for the last few years relatively closely.

Relatively closely? What does that mean? You watched him on a blurry YouTube video and looked at some box scores?

At first, he was an intriguing prospect to me until he started blowing games in the 4th quarter single handedly.

Really? What about the second-half comebacks and late rallies to win? Do they count too?

The one that sticks out the most to me was 2009’s opening game against Miami. I happened to watch the entire game that year, so I know just how terrible the throws were to Fortson. If you would like to see for yourself, you can check here to reference the play-by-play.

I’m glad to know someone other than FSU and Miami fans still watch that game. Anyway, wow. You watched the whole thing. And from that, your analysis is, “Ponder made terrible throws to Fortson.” I assume that you also knew when WRs blew their routes and missed assignments, right? Because throwing an incomplete pass is always a reflection of the quarterback, right? Right.

Wait… did you just direct readers to evaluate a player’s performance by looking at a box score?!??! Hahahaha. Really? "Look how bad Ponder is..

3rd and Goal at MIA 2 Christian Ponder pass incomplete to Jarmon Fortson.

“Did you see that?!?! INCOMPLETE! He’s horrible.”

I cannot believe this is a legitimate SB Nation blog.

Florida State was ranked 18th in the nation and looking to make a run at a National Championship that year. But at the hands of Christian Ponder, it was nearly an impossible feat.

Now I feel like I’m being punked. Have you ever been introduced to the worst defense in BCS conference history? Did you bother to even look at the results that year? FSU held an opponent to under 10 points just once (Jacksonville State) and under 20 just twice (aforementioned Jacksonville State and South Florida).

My overall evaluation of Ponder is not completely negative because he does do some things well.

Ok, great. What are Ponder’s better qualities as a QB?

However, he doesn’t do enough things good [sic] for me to consider him as ever making it in to that elite category.

Wait, weren’t you going to explain the things he does well?

In my estimation, I believe that Ponder will never amount to more than a career back up at the next level.

Based on what? That he does some things well, but too many bad things? What are these things you keep discussing?

If he had as many struggles as he did at the college level, then how is he going to be any better as a pro?

Good point. Because he was lined up with a NFL-caliber offense and a swarming NFL-esque defense backing him up. Seriously, do you understand how evaluating players works? You have to remove many variables to be able to focus on the player. Just saying that “he struggled” in college doesn’t work.
 

Here are a look at Christian Ponder’s career stats and last years season stats:

“…of which I will offer no analysis at all.”

Summary: Ponder lacks exceptional footwork which can be seen in the video above.

When did you mention footwork above? Is this a summary or just more analysis? Where is the video is his footwork suspect?

As Bill Walsh used to express many years ago, footwork is the key element in success with the West-Coast offense which is why it’s strange that there have been a few in the national media that have speculated that he would be a good fit with a team that runs it.

Maybe it’s strange that only you have concerns about his footwork?

His timing on routes at Florida State were a bit behind, in front of, high, or low as well.

You can attribute a good portion of that to poor route running.

The lack of proper footwork can be attributed to that.

I stand corrected (no pun intended).

Overall, as mentioned above, I think that Ponder is going to make a career out of carrying a clipboard and drinking Gatorade.

Exceptional analysis.

Beyond that, he may see mop up time and filling in for injured elite quarterbacks.

Oh, is that what backups do?

PREDICTION: 3rd – 4th Round. It’s possible that Ponder could sneak in to the back half of the 2nd round but anything beyond that would be considered a gigantic reach.

After reading this I figured you would say undrafted free agent. I’m not sure your “analysis” matches your prediction. According to you, he:

A) is a 4th quarter choker
2) has terrible footwork
D) throws behind, in front of, below, and above receivers
IV) does too many bad things

by coonhound on Mar 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That niners nation post was extremely lazy

I youtube FSU v MIAMI 09, the second result was “Fsu Miami final plays”, but I guess reading the play by play is just the same as putting a video

He's a regular freddie wilson, that one

by noles84 on Mar 13, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, one of the worst posts I have ever read

The entire entry is a list of game stats amid vague statements of opinion without a shred of support. Might as well had said “I think bad”

by MWM Nole on Mar 13, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont even know what to say about that niner blog

that might be worse than any Biachi article Ive ever read.

Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole

by Miaminole on Mar 13, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Side note, just read his "bio"

Wow…

What a self aggrandizing piece of garbage.

Paraphrasing here… [I dont believe in the concept of expert analysis, but if such a thing exists, it is me, while I ride my unicorn on rainbow roads to Valhalla.]

Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole

by Miaminole on Mar 13, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami, I read that also and laughed. I only signed up to that POS site just to blast his bio.

I am going to see how far I can go tomorrow until I get banned.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
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by FrankDNole on Mar 14, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why we are hermanos Frank

that is brilliant btw, I think we should be the bash brothers. You gave me a goal, one I accept. I too will get banned!

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by Miaminole on Mar 14, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

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