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Florida State Seminoles Football Spring Preview 2011: Offensive Line

This is the fourth in a multi-part series covering Florida State Spring football practice. Previously, we looked at quarterback and receiver, and running back.  For the second year in a row, FSU had an excellent offensive line that powered one of the best offenses in the country.  That line is schooled by Rick Trickett, considered one of the finest offensive line coaches in the country.  But that line wasn't very good to open the year as multiple starters missed time with injury.  Early in the year FSU allowed a sack once every 13 pass plays.  By the end of the year 'Noles improved it to one every 20, an excellent rate of sack prevention. 

This Spring Florida State must replace two key pieces in Rodney Hudson and Ryan McMahon.  Both were four-year starters.  A four-year starter on the offensive line is extremely rare.  Replacing two in the same year will not be an easy task.    

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And FSU will have limited personnel with which to address the problem.  Many of FSU's guys put off in-season surgery, instead electing to go under the knife in the off-season.  This isn't a new phenomena and isn't anything about which to worry.  Last year I wrote:

Most of these questions concern players who will not be participating in Spring ball due to injury. Junior Right Tackle Zebrie Sanders had a hip procedure done and will miss Spring ball. Backup OT is Garrett Faircloth is out after undergoing hip surgery as well.

Backup Redshirt Sophomore Tackle Antwane Greenlee is still recovering from his devastating knee injury suffered last August, but will participated on a limited basis. Backup lineman Rhonne Sanderson had some work done in early January on his ankle and will also be limited. Starting OG David Spurlock will fully participate after having a minor knee procedure and backup Center A.J. Ganguzzais also cleared for full participation after having an elbow cleanout.

To put these off-season procedures in perspective, let's step back to 2009. FSU had three starting offensive linemen go under the knife! Left Tackle Andrew Datko had arm surgery. Doctors cut on Right Guard David Spurlock. Center Ryan McMahon had a procedure on his ankle/ lower leg. Big guys get surgery. It happens really often. Trickett's mentor Alex Gibbs addressed this in a clinic talk, saying something to the effect of "almost all my guys get an off-season procedure. I don't want players who get hurt. I want tough players. Not saying I will play a guy who is legitimately hurt, but I don't want guys who stay hurt. My guys get their work done in the off-season."

No need to panic about any of these guys missing time. Most of the above procedures were routine and minimal. After end of any season, it's not uncommon for several players to undergo some routine maintenance. Especially those who play either on the offensive or defensive line. So let's discuss who will be playing Spring ball.

 

One rock on Florida State's line is Andrew Datko.  The left tackle is one of the premier pass protectors in all of college football.  Last year on Datko I wrote:

Next up is 6'6" 285 lb starting left tackle Andrew Datko. Datko was a 3* recruit out of Ft. Lauderdale St. Thomas Aquinas. Due to various injuries (shoulder and arm), Datko didn't put on much weight as FSU would have liked him to. But he has started almost every game at left tackle over the last two years- the most difficult position on the line. Not only has he started, but he has performed at or near an all-conference level. And he's done it with athleticism and tremendous technique, which bodes well for him going into this season as he is finally healthy and should be able to add more strength.

Last year, he protected Christian Ponder from the likes of Miami's Marcus Robinson (1), BYU's Jan Jorgensen (0), USF's George Selvie (1), Boston College's Jim Ramella (0), Georgia Tech's Anthony Egbuniwe (0), North Carolina's Robert Quinn (0), North Carolina State's Willie Young Jr (0), Clemson's Ricky Sapp (0), Wake Forest (0) and Maryland (0), Florida's Carlos Dunlap (1), and West Virginia. That's three sacks allowed by Datko against multiple NFL players including three first round locks over 440 drop backs. That's 99.4% pass protection! Put another way, Datko allowed a sack every 147 pass plays. He's a prime example of a guy who doesn't physically look like an elite player, but when judged by performance (how one should be judged), he's a stud. And FSU has him for two more years.

Datko is a likely lock for 1st team ALL-ACC and the only other tackle on his level is Anthony Costanzo of Boston College. Nationally he could be on the level with guys like Gabe Carimi of Wisconsin, Clint Bolling of Georgia, and Alabama's James Carpenter. And luckily for FSU fans, Datko is probably a lock to stay for two more seasons due to his need to continue to add functional size. When he does that, watch out, because I haven't seen a better technician than Datko.

Datko had an injury-plagued season and his shoulders continue to trouble him as he missed time with the injuries.  His run blocking will never be elite because he has been unable to lift properly to develop the upper-body strength, due to the injuries.  But his footwork is exceptional and because of that, his pass protection is great.  His availability for this Spring is questionable after shoulder surgery.  He elected to rehab the other shoulder, also troublesome.

Moving from guard to center is senior David Spurlock.  Spurlock suffered two serious concussions last season and missed most of the year.  The 6'4" 305 pound Tennessean hopes the move will allow him to incur less initial contact since most opponents play a 4-3 and not a 3-4, meaning the center is uncovered.  Spurlock has never been great with the mental side of the game, but he will enter Spring as the starter at center.  If it works, FSU will have increased power from the center position.  The questions here aren't about his strength, toughness, or nastiness, and everything about his ability to stay healthy and the mental side of the game.

At right tackle is Zebrie Sanders.  Another four-year starter, the 6'6" 310 pound senior has transformed into a very good right tackle.  He doesn't have the feet of Datko, but does have more power.  He is also questionable for Spring. Sanders is a likely NFL guy if he keeps progressing.  

A big new player for Spring, literally, is Jacob Fahrenkrug.  The 6'3" 310 pound junior comes to Tallahassee by way of North Dakota State college of sciences.  He was rated the top lineman from junior college.  Fahrenkrug is very powerful, but certainly has some things to work on.  Luckily, he has coach Trickett to help with that.  He will be expected to take over for Rodney Hudson at the left guard spot.

With Spurlock moving to center, both guard spots are open.  One of the players vying for a guard spot is Bryan Stork.  The third-year sophomore stands 6'4" 300 and played extremely well last year in the bowl game against South Carolina.  He is very athletic and has a chance to be a multi-year starter for the 'Noles.  

Another promising prospect is Blake Snider.  Snider was a favorite of the coaches last year before breaking his upper ankle in Fall camp.  He is 6'3" and around 300 and I believe will be a red-shirt sophomore.  If he can practice this Spring, and is anywhere near as good as those close to the coaches indicated, he'll firmly be in contention for a starting guard spot.

Another quality interior lineman is Henry Orelus.  At 6'2" 305, the red-shirt sophomore still has time left at Florida State.  Last year he saw time at tackle and guard.  The tackle experiment didn't go so well, but Orelus can be a capable guard.  Between Orelus, Fahrenkrug, Stork, and Snider, there is every reason to feel confident FSU will find two capable guards and two capable backups.

The backup situation at tackle is a bit more unclear, likely because the starters are so entrenched.  One key backup is red-shirt sophomore Garrett Faircloth.  The 6'6" 300 pound tackle from Jacksonville struggled a bit last year in fill-in duty, but seems to be developing normally.  The other backup tackle is Dan Foose.  The 6'6" 280 pound red-shirt freshman from New Jersey is a complete mystery, as it should be given that he redshirted last season while getting in better shape.

Odd Man Out?  

Backup guard Rhonne Sanderson might be out for Spring.  Even if he is not, the 4th-year junior isn't likely in line for playing time.  

Freshmen

Florida State also has three freshmen who smartly early enrolled in center Sterling Lovelady, tackle Jordan Prestwood, and guard Trey Pettis.  None of these freshmen are expected to contribute in year one and all are likely to red shirt.  All will focus on improving physically while learning the game. They are of varying talent levels and shouldn't be heard from until next spring at the earliest.

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What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 15, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

3 things

First: this is the article I was really looking forward to, nice job Bud.

Second(I dont want any business of the A2D model, cornnole freed me of your oppressive shackles): This concerns me

Spurlock has never been great with the mental side of the game, but he will enter Spring as the starter at center. If it works, FSU will have increased power from the center position. The questions here aren’t about his strength, toughness, or nastiness, and everything about his ability to stay healthy and the mental side of the game.

Isnt the Center supposed to be the leader of the line? Not necessarily the most talented, but the guy making line calls and whatnot. Should I be worried that the guy at the heart of line might not know what the heck is going on? Could that wreck the whole line, I would really like a little more emphasis on the implications.

Third: love, Love, LOVED this

Freshmen
Florida State also has three freshmen who smartly early enrolled in center Sterling Lovelady, tackle Jordan Prestwood, and guard Trey Pettis. None of these freshmen are expected to contribute in year one and all are likely to red shirt. All will focus on improving physically while learning the game. They are of varying talent levels and shouldn’t be heard from until next spring at the earliest.

I remember past articles that suggested we had extremely talented guys on the line, not just because of performance, but additionally because they were performing without that apprentice-type season where they could spend the year bulking up and working on the mental aspects of the positions without having to worry about being game ready.
I am flowing with optimism, even if the line isnt top notch this year, I know the future is bright.

Really excited for FSU football to be back.

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by Miaminole on Mar 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Brilliant!

And well dressed too!

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by JaviLouis on Mar 15, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trick love the kids!

>>>─────;;─►

by NorFla_Nole on Mar 16, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm going to miss Trick Daddy whenever he's gone.

Very nice not worrying about whether (perhaps) the most important unit on the football field will be able to play competently. I feel confident about the pieces fitting and playing well as a unit next year, despite the loss of Hudson.

Not many coaches can do more with less than Trickett. Just look at when he got here for your best example…

Trickett + good talent= ease of mind.

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by DKane on Mar 15, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMAO

I saw Trick leaving the stadium after the Maryland game and he looked exactly like that, cigar and all.

by 38Noles on Mar 15, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't help but wonder if 'krug moves to RG and Stork to LG

Thought Storke was quite serviceable vs USCe. If Krug doesn’t have the smarts or agility to play LG (pulls on power plays to strong/right side, doesn’t usually get help from C against 4-3), you can “hide” him at RG where his power would be welcome.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

There was some talk last year of Emory Mandala showing promise at guard

Is there any further news on Mandala and how he might fit in with the OL?

I feel more like I do now, than I did before

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by HaveNoleOption on Mar 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

He is a walkon and I don’t consider him as anything more.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 15, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Melvin Ray is he currently a walk on? (off topic sorry)

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by dubai_nole on Mar 15, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your underselling Orelus some.

He wouldn’t have been the no 1 backup on the OL if he wasn’t good. Not saying he didn’t struggle at OT – he did, against fast DEs and he’s a natural OG/C, but the reviews have been in and Trick loves him.

But I guess we’ll get a hint in the Spring game and then Fall, obviously.

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by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I thought Bud credited him nicely
Another quality interior lineman is Henry Orelus.

A quality interior lineman under Trickett could probably start at many schools.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 15, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

So many things I could say right there.

You’re a good kid, so I’ll pass.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 15, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You get a pass

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 15, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not letting that happen

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as I don't reload the page it'll never been green.

And that’s good enough for me.

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suggest you stick to that plan.

Pretty sure you just set a new record for number of recs in shortest amount of time.

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

consider me

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by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

That’s because we’re all a bunch of a-holes. Isn’t it great?

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by GregJones on Mar 15, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be picky...

But Fahrenkrug came from North Dakota State College of Science.

by Noles Fan in ND on Mar 15, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the unit I'm most concerned about

I know you said not to be worried about all the surgeries but I can’t help it. Plus we are probably lossing the most value here out of any position on the team from last year.

by evenflow58 on Mar 15, 2011 3:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I feel that way also.

Knowing nothing and having no inside info, IMO, Coach Trick is counting on Lovelady being able to contribute at C this year after an EE.

by Nole75 on Mar 15, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

My guess is he is backup plan.

I don’t think they actually want to play him

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by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who else do you think would play?

When the Nole recruited Orelus, he was spoken of as a possible center. Other than that and Stork, I don’t see who they are planning on. In any event, I agree with evenflow. Center is a scary position to have as uncertain.

by Nole75 on Mar 15, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pettis will also start out at Center

He’s huge, I dont think he stays there. Like you said, Orelus had a year at Center, so he is an option. I think that question will be answered in the spring and fall practices. The good part is that we have bodies there now.

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by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I happen to believe that Sterling LoveABitch will be--at worst--the 2nd team C all year.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surgeries

are normal. I played a little line and never had any surgeries. And I kind of regret it now. You should hear the noise my right knee makes when it bends, it sounds like a a plastic packet of saltine crackers being crushed. My left shoulder clicks if I lift my arm above chin level or so. My ankle… haha. The sound it makes when I rotate it makes my wife scream at me to stop doing that.

Bodies get torn up quick on the line and surgeries fix it. Normal.

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by GregJones on Mar 15, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

I only remember you at RB.

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2012 MNC
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by SoCalNole on Mar 15, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well...

Sometimes Coach Bobby be switching me out with the line when they couldn’t hold up their end. Told me to go out there and tackle someone.

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by GregJones on Mar 15, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

CTC would have told you to "go make plays"

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I worry about the mental aspects at center as well. McMahon was smaller but you cant teach intelligence. Not saying Spurlock isnt intelligent but alot was written about how exceptional McMahon was in the mental aspect.

by Tye9000 on Mar 15, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No Bobby Hart or Jose Matias?

I thought you would’ve put them in the freshman category… no?

by polaris_silvertree on Mar 15, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

er mispelling...

Sorry typed too fast – meant Josue Matias…

by polaris_silvertree on Mar 15, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is for Spring Not Fall

They don’t enroll until the Summer so they won’t be included until then

by az5950 on Mar 15, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not Bud.

I only play him on television. But they are not EEs. Bud’s report refers only to players who will be admitted to FSU and participating in Spring practice.

by Nole75 on Mar 15, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the 55K foot view of the 2011 OL vs the 2010 OL...

better, worse or the same? I know Hudson’s replacement won’t be better but (despite the comments that Spurlock lacks a high FB IQ) replacing McMahon with Spurlock is probably an improvement if only b/c McMahon was mediocre.

Also, the sense that I get is that it’s just prohibitive to play—not necessarily start—a Fr, RS or HS) on the OL but there are exceptions, e.g., Henderson (Miami) in 2010. If so, why (when compared with other positions)?

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by TLHWG on Mar 15, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Incoming Olinemen usually are not big enough

At least not with “good weight”. The ones that are tend to rely on their size to win match ups and they just can’t do that in college. Players need good technique along with size to be successful at the D1 level.

by evenflow58 on Mar 15, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

2010 v. 2011

As you said, losing Hudson was huge. But keep in mind that Datko’s and Spurlock’s injury issues played a big part in preventing the 2010 OL from being exceptional.

If we can stay healthy (and the big one here for me is Datko’s shoulders), I think the results of the 2011 OL has potential to be better than the results of the 2010 OL. Would I rather take a healthy 2010 OL over a healthy 2011 OL? Probably, but mostly because of the certainty.

by MWM Nole on Mar 15, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

View from 30k=Better overall, deeper overall, no weaknesses but no superstars either.

Rodney Hudson was a stone-cold awesome lineman and there’s no replacing his level of play. That said, the people who will step into his role are more than capable of doing the job well.
The line is getting ANOTHER year of quality strength training, there’s a lot of healthy competition amongst a lot of proven players for the few openings on the line, and the people who were question marks last year have confidently settled into their roles. All of those signs point to yet more improvement along an already good line.
You should see fewer blown protections with this line. EJ should not be escaping free linemen as much as Ponder was early last season. Running lanes should be as open as they were late last season, and shoulder surgery on Datko also means that we should be able to run around the left side for the first time in a while.

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by Dogrel on Mar 15, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree, and to add:

the 2010 line was significantly damaged by injuries, more so than a typical year. One would imagine that 2011 would have potentially less injuries (though the potential is there between Spurlock and Datko).

I think 2011 is better as a unit than 2010. More experienced, healthier talent (minus 1 super star).

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by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

My spider senses are tingling...

Did something just happen on the recruiting trail?

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

My wallet disagrees

I guess it’s time to start refreshing, no?

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably won't be long now

I don’t know how many commitment stories we have pre-written at this point, though.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Mar 15, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, noted.

However, if Jack Donegy from 30 rock can pre-tape a natural disaster tribute (so NBC can be the first network to run it after said disaster), it HAS to be a good idea, right?

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, was your starting OL based on Warchant's updated depth chart?

Just noticed it was updated on 3/8/11, and matches your OL starters: http://floridastate.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp

I know that the depth chart of certain positions hasn’t been determined yet, but Reliford is listed as the #1 TE, Trickett as the #2 QB, Werner #1 DE (over Carradine), etc.

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by TLHWG on Mar 15, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to piggyback on this question...

…are you guys using your own guesses at height/weight? Cuz there are some huge discrepancies, mostly at OL and WR

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using what FSU released for the bowl game.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 15, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t seen it. When you follow it close, it just sort of makes sense as to who slides where.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 15, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Woah. Calm down, amigo

You got so excited you forgot how to spell “news”

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha. Tell me about it

Hopefully Bud will post something soon.

by CCDFSU07 on Mar 15, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can hear the

abuse Bud Elliott’s keyboard is taking from 700 miles away.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This review strikes me as a too much praise for the O-Line last year

based on what I recall watching – my recollection is that the O-Line had a ton of pass protection issues in the VT and USCe game

and unfortunately I am predicting more of the same this year. I think it will be that way unitl this years recruiting class is on the field

by 93noleman on Mar 15, 2011 4:40 PM EDT reply actions  

my recollection is that the O-Line had a ton of pass protection issues in the VT and USCe game

Carolina: 2 sacks for 9 yards…EJ only thew 4 incompletions
VT: 1 sack for 3 yards

Not sure where you’re getting that from, but I thought our line was tremendous…especially the young guns like Stork/Orelus down the stretch

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

We won’t be throwing tons of deep balls ever. Just not high % plays. Agree sacks aren’t the perfect indicator, but they are certainly good.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 15, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

All I had on quick notice.

Disagree that we didn’t pass pro well. Thought it was better than our run pro many times this year .

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by CornNole on Mar 15, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this year’s recruiting class (minus ’krug) sees the field at Oline we are in MAJOR trouble.

by evenflow58 on Mar 15, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If the plan to make a MNC run is next year moreso than this year,

I think a young buck should start at center that can work with EJ to get good chemistry this year. I’d hate for EJ to have to go through growing pains two years in a row with separate centers and have it cost us a chance at a title next year.

by NOLEinTX on Mar 15, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

This should be green.

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by Jamil Dawson on Mar 16, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will make it so.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a big fan of this.

Even though our prospects for winning seem greater in 2012, why put the greater liability in at center for 2011? Let’s play for this year before we play for 2012, who knows what this year may bring.

by RunninNole5 on Mar 15, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the same mentality of why Korey Mangum played in '09 over Nick Moody or a 3rd stringer.

Moody might’ve been fighting a lingering groin injury—I forget if that was the case— but even bringing in #3 on the depth chart would’ve been better than playing a terrible senior who was gone the next year. You can’t get true gametime experience in practice.

I’m pro keeping EJ safe, but to have the better shot at winning in ’12, go with the young center and get the chemistry with EJ going early.

by NOLEinTX on Mar 16, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Mangum is a good example

Spurlock won’t play unless he is competent.

by MWM Nole on Mar 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can't wait until Datko adds to his frame.

I believe he will be a very high draft pick if he does so.

by fsunole23 on Mar 15, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

RT: Sanders SR, Faircloth RS SO
RG: Orelus RS SO, Stork SO, Foose RS FR
C: Spurlock JR, Orelus RS SO, Lovelady FR
LG: Krug JR, Stork SO, Foose RS FR
LT: Datko SR, Sanders JR

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Missing Snider, and I am not sure Orelus can beat out Snider and Stork.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 15, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your right. Snider was supposed to be the no 2 behind Orelus, rather than two Storks.

Could be right, I think it will be good competition for the no 1 RG spot

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 15, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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