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Florida State Seminoles Football Spring Preview 2011: Defensive Ends

This is the fifth in a multi-part series covering Florida State Spring football practice. Previously, we looked at quarterbackreceiverrunning back, and offensive line.  Today I'll review the defensive ends.  Florida State had more sacks than anyone last year.  No, the defensive ends were not elite, and sacks are not a perfect measure of performance, but bad defensive lines do not lead the nation in sacks.  Impressive enough as that is, you have to remember just how far FSU has come.  To do that, let's take a look at what I wrote last Spring:

Defensive Ends Coach Darin D.J. Eliot

Don't take this analysis as a slam of the former staff or players, but to understand a fix for something, we must first realize it was broken and understand why it was broken.  And to be clear, there were many causes for the poor defensive play.  One of the main causes, however, was the play of the defensive ends under the direction of former defensive ends coach Jody Allen.  I've covered this at length, but suffice to say that Allen was inexperienced and under qualified to coach defensive ends at the major college level.  That he's now working at West Georgia should tell you something.  Additionally, there were behind the scenes issues that made players not like him, or at the least struggle to trust him.  

Enter coach Darin D.J. Eliot (at right).  He's 33 and as we profiled in this story, came to FSU via Rice University.  He came recommended by Texas DC (and former Saban DC) Will Muschamp and FSU DC Mark Stoops.  He crushed his interview and was hired on the spot. 

Additionally, Eliot has produced at least one All-Conference defender at every school where he has worked.  Notably at his last stop: "At Rice, Eliot had oversight of the recruiting process; a challenge given the schools' stringent academic standards. He identified and developed two true freshmen defensive ends - Scott Solomon (63 tackles) and Cheta Ozougwu (61) - who led all CUSA linemen with 124 combined tackles in 2009. They teamed for 21 tackles for loss and 11 sacks.

As I profiled in the linked article, it is incredibly tough to get quality players to Rice.  I normally would not call a relatively young coach like Eliot an upgrade, but Eliot brings much more experience coaching defense than Allen had in his entire career prior to arriving in Tallahassee. 

In a recent interview, Eliot gave some of his philosophies.  You can tell he is pumped to be coaching the elite athletes that roam the practice fields in Tallahassee. 

Chief amongst those philosophies is to get bigger at the position.  As I profiled in the 2009 off-season (Size Matters on Defense (Don't go small to beat the spread):  Part 1  | Part 2), FSU's front-7 (DE/ DT/ LB) was woefully small.  This directive to the defense came directly from Coach Fisher as he saw this problem and sought to address it via recruiting and strength training.

With the help of finally having a quality strength and conditioning program, FSU is accomplishing this goal.  For the first time in quite a while, FSU projects to have a front-7 of more than 1800 combined lbs.  That is not elite size, but no longer is FSU's size up front a liability.  In the coming years, it might even be an advantage. 

That increased size will go great with the increased emphasis on leverage.  Leverage in this context means engaging a blocker, controlling him, and then shedding him.  It is in direct contrast to what FSU's defensive ends did under Allen, which was to try to get around the blocker.  Their acts actually made them incredibly easy to block as they frequently ran themselves out of the play.  Playing with leverage requires a plan and requires good technique, with angles, footwork, and handwork.  It is difficult to play with leverage when the only thing a player is ever taught is a speed rush.  Maintaining gap and lane discipline will be a huge step in the right direction from Florida State's defensive ends.  Nole fans haven't seen that in a long time.    The defensive ends have experienced a huge culture shock of being coached by a qualified coach for the first time in their FSU careers.

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Part of FSU's problem was that the ends focused so much on speed speed speed that they abandoned all technique and leverage principles. And this bled into other areas. While the run defense was abysmal, the pass defense was terrible as well. FSU registered a sack on only 3.96% of pass plays it faced in conference! The 'Noles were the only team that didn't sack the quarterback at least once out of every 25 dropbacks. That was a historically bad performance. The 'Noles ends were predictable and while it was dumb to not use specific plays that would take advantage of FSU's defensive ends in 2008, it was downright reckless in 2009. And for the most part, teams did just that; taking advantage of the defensive ends with plays they knew would capitalize on their undisciplined, sloppy, ill-planned, poorly coached style. Because they were so focused on rushing the passer as if they had a 20 point lead, the defense didn't win the crucial battles on first and second down that set up the negative leverage offensive situation: an obvious passing down!

I have been unable to watch any Rice football, but given the size of Eliot's ends at Rice (large), their accomplishments, and the unlikelihood that they were amazing athletes, I am going to assume that they played their keys, focused on pad level, leverage, hand technique, footwork, gap/lane discipline, and didn't try to do things of which they were not asked to do, thus not opening up huge gaps through which an opposing offense could run. I expect him to have FSU's defensive ends do the same. The players have already said as much, acting shocked that they actually have an assignment on each play. And under no circumstances would I expect Fisher to tolerate playing a no-talent walk on for the sole purpose of spiting the other coaches from whom a coach feels alienated. Early reports from the defensive ends have them being much better than awful, which they were last year.

Given that, FSU's performance was very good, and in fact almost tripled its sack production.  But it wasn't always elite.  The line struggled with a lack of experienced depth and injuries.  That lead to a group of defensive linemen who had dead legs and got pushed around in the middle part of the season.  Still, Fisher seems to have hit a home run with coach Eliot.

Junior Brandon Jenkins

Defensive Ends

The conversation about Florida State's defensive ends must begin with Brandon Jenkins.  Here is what I wrote on Jenkins last season:

Brandon Jenkins is a prospect for whom I have a lot of hope. He was a 4* defensive end recruit and enrolled early. Jenkins played some last season in limited duty and looked like a freshman. That is so say he had some moments in which he clearly showed his athleticism and some moments in which he looked lost. The 6'3" 240 lb Jenkins has very long arms which make him play like a taller guy.

Jenkins has created a lot of buzz with his play in Spring and Fall camp. He is the undisputed starter at right end (weak side usually). It suits his frame better as he doesn't have to take on as many blockers and allows him to use his speed. Jenkins looks like a natural pass rusher and could be a Dwight Freeney type with his long arms and low center of gravity.

But before he can get out and rush the passer he will have to prove that he can play within the system and play the run. Jenkins put on good weight this off-season and now checks in at 250 lbs. 240 lbs for a defensive end is simply too small. That added bulk will help him against the offensive tackles who will likely outweigh him by 50-60 lbs. As with any young player, this sophomore will need to improve his recognition skills and achieve a greater understanding of the nuances of the defensive end position. Jenkins will be counted on to give 550-600 snaps this year.

The 6'3" 250 pound junior from Tallahassee was one of the top sack artists in the country, notching 13.5 sacks in 14 games.  He should be in for Spring after having a shoulder cleanout.  Jenkins needs to work on his strength and playing the run better.  His pass rush game is already very good.  If he gets stronger his bullrush can improve.  Jenkins has his spot solidly locked down.  The question is whether he will be in Tallahassee for one or two more years.  If he does get drafted, it'll likely be as a linebacker in a 3-4 as he is currently pretty small to play end in the NFL.  

Bjoern Werner

Opposite of Jenkins' speed is the power of Bjoern Werner.  Last year on Werner I wrote:

Bjoern Werner is not your typical freshman. The 6'4" 276 lb freshman from Germany by way of Connecticut is 20 years old and married. Werner has been good in camp and won the #2 spot behind Markus White at left end. Werner hasn't played much organized football, but has been a quick learner and is quite physically impressive. His strength allows him to hold the edge against the offensive tackle and allow FSU to stop the run. Here was our evaluation from his recruitment:

First thing that jumps off the screen at you is his pursuit of the football. He understands pursuit angles and when he decides he is going to chase a play down he is usually successful. On contact with a ball carrier he is extremely violent. You can tell how raw he is by the way he uses his hands. His first step is not explosive but is quick, he possesses a good short\compact first step that a SDE needs. Is a very long, lean specimen-his body type reminds me of Grant Wistrom\Chris Long. Seems to be decisive, does not get stuck with his feet dead. Is a natural athlete that possesses good natural footwork. Tremendous motor that cannot be coached. He even played weakside linebacker for Salisbury. Werner has got amazing feet, from watching his tight end film. Has a violent punch that needs to be refined. Needs to work on keeping his elbows in closer to his body. He could also make an excellent offensive lineman.

Werner will be counted on to play 275-325 snaps this season behind Markus White and he has a very bright future. The coaches love this guy.

His freshman season was really everything FSU fans could have hoped it would be.  The 6'4" 275 pound sophomore needs to work on his finishing moves, but aside from that, he seems to be on the right track.  The question isn't if Werner is a good player, but how high is his ceiling?  

But as good as Werner is, he might not even have the starting spot locked down.  That's because of Cornellius Carradine, aka "Tank."  Here is what Bruce Feldman had to say about the top JUCO defensive end in the country.  

"Remember the dynamic, big-play rush ends on the great FSU teams of the 1990s? That's what this guy looks like. And, as loaded as the Seminoles' recruiting class was, this is my pick for the newcomer who will be the biggest breakout star. The 6-foot-5, 255-pound Cincinnati native, by way of Butler Community College in Kansas, picked FSU over the Ohio State Buckeyes and Georgia Bulldogs. Coaches say he is a "werewolf" off the edge and is expected to come in and replace departed Markus White on a fierce D-line.

Here was my take on Carradine this Winter:

Carradine is an elite athlete and a dangerous pass rusher. His technique needs considerable work, but he has the explosion and balance needed to get after the quarterback. At 6'5" he can be a terror in FSU's zone-blitz packages on passing downs. Tank can be expected to log upwards of 400 snaps for the 'Noles next season while sharing time with junior Brandon Jenkins, who logged 12 sacks this season. There is no such thing as too many quality pass rushers and FSU's coaches have to be thrilled to have him aboard.

It's not certain which spot Carradine will play this year, but he seems to be a lock to see a lot of snaps and potentially even start.   How quickly he grasps the defensive concepts will dictate how much he plays.  

Dan Hicks

The fourth key component of the defensive ends is Dan Hicks.  The 6'4" 265 pound red-shirt sophomore from Mississippi turned in a solid year in 2010 after red-shirting in 2009. Here is what I wrote on Hicks last Spring:

FSU fans will likely remember Dan Footman who played 6 seasons in the NFL and was a very good pro before blowing his knees.  Now meet his son.  Dan Hicks was a very unheralded recruit out of Mississippi for a number of factors, including playing for a low-profile school and breaking his foot during his senior year.  But the 6'4" Hicks is a very good athlete with the frame to add a ton of good weight.  Did I mention he was a good athlete?  How about winning the 100-meter hurdles with a time of 15.19?  Hicks was very raw coming in and has a late birthday (2 current FSU 2011 commitments are older than him).  Because he was physically and a bit emotionally immature, he redshirted last season.  That's not a bad thing.  Hicks was just young.  At least he didn't waste a year of eligibility under coach Allen. 

People who have seen Hicks workout rave about the progress he's made. Hicks is now up to 260 lbs.  That's incredible work for him considering he also needed to lose bad weight and add good.  Hicks is still a year away from breaking out, but he is the backup to Brandon Jenkins at right end and will be counted on to contribute 200-250 snaps this season.

Hicks seems to be progressing well and only a sophomore, should see more playing time this season.  This Spring he needs to continue to improve his pass-rush moves and his fundamentals.

The final player is Toshmon Stevens.  Last Spring on Stevens I wrote:

If you're sensing that FSU has a lot of young, raw talent at the defensive end position, you're correct. Redshirt Sophomore Toshmon Stevens is no exception. The 6'5" 234 lb weak side end is incredibly skinny but is also a natural pass rusher. Stevens redshirted as a freshman and then played some last season while battling injury. The major issue for Stevens is that he is incredible scrawny. His lengthy frame is just begging for some added muscle. At his weight he is a liability against the run and is useless except on obvious passing downs.

He needs to work on all of the things I previously listed for Brandon Jenkins. But because he is about 15 lbs behind Jenkins, I see him as more of a situational player this fall. Stevens needs to improve his consistency and most of that should come with increased reps (experience) and added strength. As it stands right now, his game is all speed. He is still pretty raw and is only a situational pass rusher at this point. Stevens is not regarded as a bad apple and will be given every opportunity to give his meaningful contribution to the team.

Toshmon didn't really play at all on defense last season, seeing some time on special teams.  He did battle a wrist injury, but it is hard to see much playing time for him this year either.  He'll get his degree and hopefully land a good job to support his young family.

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I'm loving these articles, thanks

Although I follow my Noles fairly closely, these primers are great to update and keep fresh on the starter information.

by ladyjustice on Mar 16, 2011 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm worried about this unit b/c

we don’t gain any depth—we trade Carradine for White. Yes, all of our returning players add 1 year of S&C but I expect to see our DEs gassed again 1/2 or 2/3 of the way through the season.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Mar 16, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't expect them to be as gassed.

The lack of DT depth was a big cause for the entire line’s physical condition at year end. Only really having to game plan for DE’s easier to do than game planning for 4 DL’s

Plus they hit a learning limit during the year

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Mar 16, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

We don’t lose any DTs, all of our returning DTs have another year of exp/S&C and we added to our depth by signing the #1 DT class last year. Off topic but: anyone think any of our HS Fr DTs get some snaps this year?

Championship!

by TLHWG on Mar 16, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not expecting it.

But its hard to tell. Big part will be the HS FR weight gain between now and Fall – their development as players obviously, and finally Erving and Cummings – who both red shirted last year – development.

NT: McDaniel JR, McCloud JR, Cummings RS FR, FROSH….
DT: Dawkins RS JR, McCloud JR, McAllister RS SO, Erving RS FR, FROSH….

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by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Cummings burned his shirt vs Maryland

Shouldnt effect his development, just eligibility

by vickers8 on Mar 16, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jernigan will. NLS "might" get a handful of snaps in blowout games.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

last year we really had one second string (Werner) who took quite a few snaps, but only from White, and one third stringer (Hicks) that really didn’t give Brandon much of a break (especially late in the year). We really need Hicks to step up and earn more playing time. I think Brandon was the only one that really got fatigued. I would love to add a fifth DE to the mix, between Stephens/Newberry, to take maybe 10-15 snaps per game.

In short, Hicks’ development might be the most important part of this equation.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 16, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Although I think the rotation could be better this year. We basically have 2 guys that won’t switch sides (Werner and Jenkins) and 2 others that could play either side (Carridine and Hicks). I could imagine Jenkins, Werner, and Carridine all sharing an equal number of snaps, with Hicks providing the leftovers.

by BenDNole on Mar 16, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not enough rotation

was a problem. A coach who’s trying to build a resume and move on in 2-3 years will overwork the starters and not plan for the future. With Andrews we had continuity and it was clear that he was in it for the long haul by giving a lot of good reps to the guys who would step in at a later time. Our starting D-linemen were really overworked at times.

by gambelero3 on Mar 16, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What other choice was there?

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 16, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused

Are you saying the current coaches are overplaying starters and the previous staff rotated the young guys more?

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 16, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the Dline, particularly the ends,

yes.

Andrews gave a lot of playing time to (particularly younger) backups, and we played a lot more players on defense than other teams.

It could also have been (like rollnoles5 said) that the coaches felt they had no choice because there was too big a drop-off.

by gambelero3 on Mar 16, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was mostly (if not all) due to the fact that they had no choice

other than White last year and to some extent McCloud, all of the guys that played last year would have been considered the “younger backups” with Andrews. When those guys are the starters, you have nowhere else to go.

I guess we’ll see this year how much the younger backups get PT, and I personally think they’ll see plenty…. especially in the middle of the season (Duke, Wake)

by BenDNole on Mar 16, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werner and Hicks rotated in quite a bit.

DTs there was no depth.

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by PalmAireNole on Mar 16, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

If we were to get hit hard by injuries at this position — which current DTs would be most likely/able to move outside?

by Fsued on Mar 16, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

moving defensive players

The best to move outside would be Everett Dawkins.

I would move Toshman Stevens to OLB, his height could help on passing plays, I have no clue how he would fit in covering pass plays. However, we appear to be short on LB’s and he is not going to contribute significantly at DE, unless he bulks up, which is unlikely.

by rspknole1 on Mar 16, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Still wish we would move Moody to OLB

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by NoleThruandThru on Mar 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

As much as I want to see Los right away

I really hope it’s not a necessity. What I’m really interested in is the potential for Joyner at safety and maybe by mid/late season having the Los/Joyner tandem at safety.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's already at safety

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keelin will be a CB

Brutus will RS

Commack likely backing up Rhodes

Joyner will play behind Moody – like Jenige did before Moody could play

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

g → j

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and supposedly impressive at CB

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure on the Brutus RS

I think Hunter will for sure, but I could see Brutus on special teams. He is advanced in his tackling and positioning.

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by NoleThruandThru on Mar 16, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but....

Learning process for freshmen (redshirt), its good to get best athletes on field (LJ) & you want to make sure you have plan Bs if not everyone qualifies or there is an injury

LJ should be fine at safety

by FSU on Mar 16, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. I was replying with a similar comment, but you got it

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh

He will be the smallest safety in the FCS lol. But he does pack a punch. Do you think he’ll be good in run support. I feel like tiny guy like him could be really ineffective in run help?

by camfsu04e on Mar 16, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have you seen him hit?

Have you heard he’s up to 190/195? I’ll gladly trade an extra linebacker for a safety that can support in pass coverage….excellent cover skills and closing speed. It also relieves the CB’s of deep responsibility and gives flexibility to the defense overall in case of injuries and in nickel/dime packages. GREAT move all around.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 16, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahaha wow beat me to the punch

LJ only needs to hit. Our safeties shouldn’t be getting blocked while in run support so I’m not worried about size vs strength extra and man he can destroy

by fsugrizz on Mar 16, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa, that's spooky.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 16, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

that doesnt say anything, most of the team hits harder than Reid

just lining up a couple gimmes and one lucky shot on Lattimore doesnt mean he hits hard. Joyner took out a massive FB head on.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 16, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Think Bob Sanders...

Same body size and style of play.

by Jturner01 on Mar 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like this, except no injuries for LJ.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 17, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he is really 190, he could be very good at Safety

Kid has excellent ball skills and likes to lay the wood

by spanky96 on Mar 16, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! love the name....

So is this TN’s go to guy when the wife wants to make us learn the term “more than half” because we spend too much time on here? lol

by buckeyeNOLE on Mar 16, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope not

He’s a Gator. Don’t need to give them business.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Mar 16, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or at least

He went to UF

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Mar 16, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know about everyone else....

But im actually excited to see LJ at safety, this kid can lower the boom playing cover corner….imagine the highlight reel if he can wait for the receiver to come to him? Yikes

by buckeyeNOLE on Mar 16, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really surprised he's at 190 now

Maybe it’s his freakishly long arms, but he always looks pretty wiry on the field. I guess he’s really bulked up since the last game. Can we expect him to continue to gain size, or is he pretty maxed out at 190 while still maintaining the same speed and quickness?

While a safety weighing 190 isn’t terrible in college, am I right too assume that could hurt his chances at the next level?

by TonySopraNOLE on Mar 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he could easily play S in college and switch to CB in NFL

in fact I’m not sure he stays at S while at FSU

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by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its possible it could hurt his NFL chances but I think

with NFL teams using more receiver-heavy sets a safety that can legitimately cover like a corner could be a valuable commodity because of their versatility

by NationWideNole on Mar 16, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knowing all of the DB positions could help his stock.

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by Jamil Dawson on Mar 17, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely Dawkins, potentially McAllister or Cummings

Could also utilize Christian Jones on rush situations.

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by NoleThruandThru on Mar 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly I saw C-Jones in the back field a lot on many blitzes last year.

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by PalmAireNole on Mar 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dawkins most likely

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 16, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know last year we had some significant weight gains on the DL

What do you think our main four DEs playing weights will be this year?

by BenDNole on Mar 16, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Jenkins: 255
Carradine: 260
Werner: 280
Hicks: 265

last year
Jenkins: 250
White: 265
Werner: 275
Hicks 260

I like to think collegiate non-freshmen can add about 2% gain between seasons

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems about right to me

Wouldn’t be surprised if Carradine started out a little higher, since it’s his first year on campus with a D1 S&C program.

by BenDNole on Mar 16, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe - he looks jacked already - not a lot of extra fat on that one.

but you never know

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Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 16, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That leads me to another question

How much fat percentage should we expect our DL to carry?

We always talk about “good weight”, but if a guy is 255 with little fat, would they want him to get to 265-268 if the only way they could get there is by adding “bad weight”.

I’m sure it’s pretty individualized depending on how they maintain their quickness, etc. but he looks like a prime example of a guy who wouldn’t be hurt by 10 lbs, no matter how he gets it.

by BenDNole on Mar 16, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

NT yes, DE no

you must hold your position on the inside. some extra fat is necessary to make it harder to move you off your spot.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 16, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You bulk....

You do not add fat you add more muscle. It weighs much more than fat anyway.

by Jturner01 on Mar 17, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that in a perfect world our DE's would be

6’5" 270 pounds with 6% body fat.
But looking at guys like Werner, who is definitely not trim, it seems like they want him to stay at that weight, even if that means a higher percentage body fat.

by BenDNole on Mar 17, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toshmon Stevens

Sounds like he’s a nice kid who is a little short on the size but long on the character and effort. Always room for a guy like that since he can lead by example.

There's another one: SMACK!

by Gator Slapper on Mar 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm still holding out hope for Tosh

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by NoleThruandThru on Mar 16, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool

We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.

by NoleThruandThru on Mar 16, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everytime I read

something about the 2009 defensive and the previous coaching staff it just makes me want to SMDH.

by feardaspear on Mar 16, 2011 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

SMDH

smash my damn head???

by CurtOFD78 on Mar 17, 2011 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shaking my damn head

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by NoleThruandThru on Mar 17, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like his take on it....

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by DRusso97 on Mar 17, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does anyone think...

Carradine will turn into Markus White 2.0? A stud JUCO DE who is only above average when he is playing with the big boys? I wonder how much is Jody Allens fault?

by camfsu04e on Mar 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't

I think he’ll be All Conference type player.

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by Marmaduke1 on Mar 16, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

100% Allens fault

White looked night and day better last year and the only different is getting moved back to strong side and a new coach.

by fsugrizz on Mar 16, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

White was also hampered by injury.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 16, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

right

I feel White kinda gets the short end of the stick way too much. Didn’t have the strength, injury luck that we would have wanted but man i’ll take 100 Marcus Whites over 1 Yarbough..

by fsugrizz on Mar 16, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

no doubt, he got screwed but always gave max effort

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 16, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not for that reason

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 16, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel cheated

this article is like one of those sitcoms where they do about 15 seconds of new stuff and just show clips from previous episodes. I am defintely not paying for this rerun!! :)

by 93noleman on Mar 16, 2011 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I like when everyone returns.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 16, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like even more that

we have players worth returning.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 16, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a writer, I feel ya

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Mar 16, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

After I read them

I try to forget them so I can read them again. Its gives me something to do at work!

by camfsu04e on Mar 16, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

x2

All that was missing from it was a sponsorship/promotion that had more legal disclaimer words in it than the article itself…lol

just joking Bud…

by samnite on Mar 16, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eliot must have trouble sleeping at night.

Thinking about the athletes he has to work with in the near future… Go Noles!

by NoleySmokes on Mar 16, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You wouldn't like the outcome. The fluffy homer shit is over @ Alligator Army

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by DRusso97 on Mar 16, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well said.

Hands down, my favorite part about TN.

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by CornNole on Mar 16, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not a fluffy homer.

And I bet Bud knows the gator roster better than most gator fans.

by PullingGuardGator on Mar 17, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why don't you guys do these type of previews?

I, for one, would definitely come over to AA for that.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never really look at that site.

I’m pretty confident I could do a great write up on the UF team. Where I would run into trouble is writing about the younger players, because I don’t follow recruiting that much.

by PullingGuardGator on Mar 17, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Then maybe reconsider the task...

In college football, the unknown new players and how they will contribute are just as important as the known quantities…CFA fans are always looking at the future of their program…

by Buddy Reynolds on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

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