Florida State Seminoles Football Spring Preview 2011: Defensive Tackle
2010 saw an enormous improvement from Florida State's defensive tackles. No, the 'Noles did not have a dominant group up front, but the goal was competency. Mission accomplished.
Quickly, a review of the defensive tackle situation entering last Spring:
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The DTs are coached by Odell Haggins. A lot of people didn't expect Coach Jimbo Fisher to retain Haggins, but he did. I think that says something about the former 'Nole great. Someone I trust told me that Haggins is a very good cook, but between 2005-2008, he wasn't the best grocery shopper. I think that's a good analysis. His recruiting in 2005-2007 absolutely left something to be desired. And he has also suffered a good bit of bad luck at the position with guys like Letroy Guion leaving early to be a late-round draft choice, Callahan Bright failing to qualify and then getting arrested before he could make it out of junior college, Justin Mincey's academic safari, Paul Griffin's torn ACL (never recovered), Emmanuel Dunbar's broken back, Budd Thacker's high drama/ low production career, the signing day switcharoo by Marvin Austin, and Moses McCray's elbow problem.
But things look to be getting significantly better. Under a new staff with clear direction and renewed energy, I'm told Odell is the fun, vivacious Odell Haggins again. And that is really good news for the 'Noles. The recruiting has really stepped up. FSU has qualified all 4 of its last 5 defensive tackle commitments. And those guys are not scrubs. Among them are a 5*, a 4*, and 2 3*'s (including a JUCO). In 2008 FSU signed and placed Anthony "Amp" McCloud of Thomas Co. Central HS (Thomasville, GA). Many believed he was a better player than current Clemson NG Brandon Thompson (4*). Of course, McCloud had no chance to qualify and was not reviewed by the recruiting services. But he went to JUCO and is now back. The chance that a defensive line JUCO sign-and-place recruit ever makes it to his original college of choice is very poor, and it is an encouraging sign that FSU identified the talented prospect, found a home for him, laid out a plan to get him back, and got the kid back. More on him later. FSU already has two excellent defensive tackle commitments for the upcoming recruiting class, and while they might not have come from Haggins' geographically designated recruiting area, there is no doubt that the interaction between potential future position coach and recruit plays a big part in the decision. Haggins has a renewed spirit under the new staff that he hasn't had in years. Judging by the current recruits and the young talent at the position, he'll have a nice group in 2011 when the 'Noles defensive interior could be one of the best in the nation.
Now to 2011...

Anthony McCloud "Amp"
Rs-Jr 6'2" 305
Last Spring:
Welcome Anthony "Amp" McCloud to the picture. As discussed above, McCloud was one of the best players in Georgia in 2008 but had no chance of getting into college, so he went the JUCO route. If he had the grades he would have been a high 4* type recruit. Thankfully, he graduated with his AA in 3 semesters and enrolled in FSU this Spring. He showed up at around 315 lbs but is now down to 6'2" 305 lbs. While the kid is undeniably a talent, he has not played a down of football since November 2008. McCloud sat out the 2009 season to focus solely on his academics so that he could graduate early and enroll at FSU this January. It was expected that he would show up out of shape considering that he wasn't playing ball and didn't have a college-level weight facility available to him.McCloud worked on getting in better shape as he becomes re-acclimated to working out in a college weight program. It should be noted that McCloud is a red-shirt Sophomore and not a Junior, by virtue of his academics-only year in 2009. We've seen some of his film from high school and it was undoubtedly impressive. McCloud had worked on everything from adjusting to major college life, to film study, to workouts, to technique, and probably to strapping up his pads. He is still a bit raw, but guys with his frame and athleticism do not grow on trees. 'Nole fans should be very pleased if McCloud can play 225-275 snaps this year. My guess is that he makes his transformative leap next off-season. As a final note, Amp had an unspecified blood pressure issue in 2008 that was monitored but did not cause him to miss any games. FSU fans hope that doesn't flare up.
McCloud was arguably Florida State's best interior lineman last season in his first year out of junior college. While inconsistent, he did show flashes of greatness and definitely exceeded my 2010 March prediction of 225-275 snaps. That's partially a credit to the injury issues of McDaniel, but also a credit to McCloud's talent. McCloud was not in great shape when he arrived at Florida State, as we predicted. He is a good bet to start on the inside in 2011 if McDaniel continues to struggle with injuries.
This Spring McCloud must work on improving his consistency. He would dominate at times and then disappear at times. Yes, that is typical of almost all defensive tackles, but McCloud should endeavor to improve in that area. With more snaps comes a need for better conditioning, and that must also improve. I don't have any reason to doubt it will improve, mind you, given that McCloud made great progress after showing up in terrible shape last January. Finally, McCloud needs to do a better job of using his hands to shed the blocker. He does a pretty good job of controlling, but doesn't offer much in terms of shedding.

Everett Dawkins
Rs-Jr 6'2" 285
Last Spring on Dawkins:
Dawkins played very well considering he was a red-shirt freshman last season. He has a nice first step, plays with good leverage most of the time, and you can tell he is well coached. Dawkins is the starter at the 3-technique spot and is a guy who could end up as a 3-year starter when all is said and done. Dawkins will be counted on for 475-525 snaps this year.
Dawkins was indeed the starter for most of the year and played pretty well early in the year. He used his quickness quite well and played with good technique and leverage. But his play began to taper off as he wore down. Then a dislocated thumb required surgery and pins. For a guy who has to use his hands to be effective, that was a big injury.
This Spring Dawkins needs to keep improving his strength. The technique is already pretty good and if he can continue to get stronger, that technique and quickness will continue to shine through. One question I do have is how much weight his frame can carry. He's definitely a defensive tackle, though he can also play head up on the tackle when FSU runs an odd front.
Demonte McAllister
Rs-So 6'3" 285
Last Spring:
McAllister is a very polarizing player and his case is especially interesting considering that he has yet to play a snap for Florida State. A lot of people were concerned that Demonte hasn't put on much weight, if any, since he arrived on campus. He did get injured (leg) and then got down on himself. His medical issues are now cleared up and his 22-lb gain this off-season is tremendous. Demonte is a phenomenal athlete and has the frame to be an excellent 3-technique tackle in time. Demonte will be counted on for 225-275 snaps this year.
After struggling with medical and maturity issues in his red-shirt year, Demonte saw the field for the first time in 2010. He played an important role, providing some much needed snaps as other players were injured or just worn down over the stretch run.
But his play wasn't excellent by any stretch of the imagination. If Florida State is to take the next step forward on defense it must have guys like Demonte McAllister step up. He needs to stay dedicated in the weight room and add a lot of strength and mass in his lower half. He has the frame to be 300 pounds and it will be a disappointment if he isn't within 5 pounds of that mark. Demonte needs improvement in every area except quickness. He's more athletic than Dawkins, but Dawkins is a better player at this point because of consistency and technique. Granted, Dawkins does have the extra year on him. If you're looking for a Spring breakout candidate, you could do worse than Demonte.
Sophomore, 6'1" 288
Darious Cummings was a highly-rated player out of Titusville. He blew up in the off-season program and is a promising prospect. He didn't play too much last season, though he did see some snaps against Maryland late in the year when the defensive line was very beat up. I didn't get to see enough of Cummings to make an evaluation of what he needs to improve. I definitely see him getting more playing time this season.
Rs-Freshman 6'5" 300
Erving was quite an unknown when FSU signed him. He definitely has some athleticism and a big body, but is still very much a project as he hasn't played much football. With such limited playing time last season, I'd be lying if I said I knew what he needs to improve, except for his body composition.
Rs-Junior 6'2" 315
McCray is a powerful, often-injured junior from Tampa. While strong, he lacks instincts and technique and has never done much in Tallahassee. Coming off an ACL injury from last off-season, FSU will look to ease McCray back into the lineup. I really have no idea what to expect here.
Out For Spring
Jacobbi McDaniel (groin surgery)
Maturation: In 2010, here was the breakdown of the defensive line by age.
1 senior
3 red-shirt sophomores
2 sophomores
2 red-shirt freshmen
3 true freshmen
In 2011, here is what FSU will be working with:
0 senior
4 red-shirt juniors
3 juniors
2 red-shirt sophomores
2 sophomores
1 red-shirt freshmen
4 true freshmen
The first thing you notice is the numbers. Florida State now has 16 defensive linemen. Last year the 'Noles had only 11. But the other thing I notice is the increase in 2nd-year or older players (8 in 2010, 12 this year).
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Solid post
So glad FSU has two bonafide defensive tackle starters, and more than capable backups. One question though and this may have already been answered, but are the coaches planning to redshirt the freshman coming in or are they going to play?
by Matt Champion on Mar 18, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think one or two will shirt, but not all three.
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 18, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for answering my question
One true freshman DT is probably needed in case a few guys go down, which I hope doesn’t happen but with CFB you never
know. Of the 3 DT’s we signed, i believe Tim Jernigan has the best chance to play early.
by Matt Champion on Mar 18, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it asking too much for Timmy J to log 200 snaps this season?
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by SoCalNole on Mar 18, 2011 2:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So does your count of three
mean someone is not getting in?
Are we forgetting Terry Bell?
by Wild@Heart Nole on Mar 18, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
bell was a non-qual, sign and place
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Terry Bell was never in consideration. Not sure he graduates high school. He’s purely a sign and place.
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No way in hell Jernigan redshirts (barring injury). He will be FSU's 5th-best DT the moment he steps on campus...
I would not be the least bit surprised to see him be #4 by the end of the season.
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how would you compare Jernigan’s HS film and McDaniel’s HS film?
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Jernigan has more length then Jaccobi. True, he is only 6'1", but he has long arms to make up for it.
Both are very athletic, but Jernigan is more angular whereas Jaccobi is more squat.
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Very nice article.
Unlike defensive end, our coaches have turned what was a real weakness on this team into a relative strength in short order. We look to really improve in out interior line play over the next few seasons.
Explain...
Unlike defensive end
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don't ignore NLS and Mitchell
we signed the #1 DT class last year (although this ranking included Bell, who unfortunately won’t make it here this year; and Tre Jackson who will play OL). Still from 2011 Jernigan is probably the #1 DT and NLS and Mitchell are both 4*s.
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Our DT unit will be better than last year but
other than another year of coaching and S&C, I don’t think we have a great DT unit. I would have like us to have taken a good JUCO DT. (In 2012 I think our DT unit will improve significantly b/c of the DTs in the 2011 class.) My hope for this season is that our DTs (and DL more generally) remain competent and improve their conditioning so that they’re not gassed 1/2 way through the season.
p.s. Damien Jacobs not returning this year?
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I agree
I think we’ll probably need one, maybe 2 years for this to be considered a “strength”. I know a year of S&C is huge, but I expect them to wear down similar to what we saw in 2010 (maybe not to the same degree) a bit.
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Disagree about taking a JUCO DT
unless there was someone out there that could have clearly taken a spot in the 2-deep in 2011…. which I’m not familiar enough with JUCO recruiting to know if that player existed this year.
I also think we might really have a chance for our guys to stay fresh towards the end of the year. Let the 2-deep take the majority of snaps through the first 4 games…. then the bye week…. then continue to let them rest with limited snaps against Wake and Duke.
I will have an article on this later, if someone reminds me. FSU is going to have to get Jernigan/Mitchell/Lawrence-Stample/Erving a ton of snaps in the mid-season.
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Offense will determine the pressure on the DL
If the offense performs well, we will have leads and can rotate more people keeping the DT’s fresh and maybe noone will have to become a sacrifical lamb. IMO, Bud is right we are going to have to play freshman on the DL. Of course, the fewer true freshman in the Trenches that we have to play the better.
They weren't "gassed".....they were physically beaten down. Playing interior DL is INCREDIBLY damaging to your body.
The fact that the top 3 guys didn’t miss multiple games is a credit to the training staff & the will of the individual players.
I think the 2011 FSU DT group will be 1 of the best in the ACC. Last year they were “competent”…next year I expect them to be pretty good, and dominant in 2012.
I COMPLETELY disagree with signing a JuCo DT (unless his name was Jessie Williams). No need to add ANOTHER Junior DT when you already have 3 (not counting McCray because I don’t think he can be counted on).
I generally frown upon JuCo players (even though I was one), because those are “generally” stop-gap solutions. You miss those VITAL 2-3 years of younger player development. Signing JuCo players means your earlier signees didn’t pan out, so you hope to sign someone who will give you some production over their final seasons that the other guys won’t.
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Great job, Bud.
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do we really think this group will be one of the best next year.? or is 2012 the new prediction?
did Jacobbi’s lack of growth hamper this prediction?
Judging by the current recruits and the young talent at the position, he’ll have a nice group in 2011 when the ’Noles defensive interior could be one of the best in the nation.
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It will depend on injuries.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 18, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so Demonte could be the football version of Xavier Gibson?
thats disappointing, he is so talented. if he can get his head around, he can be extremely productive.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Bud, since you reviewed all the game films, approximately how many snaps, if any at all, did we play a base 3-4 defense?
I don’t remember any, but I figure you might have see some during your reviews. Also, even though the word multiple gets thrown around a lot by Stoops and Co., with the extra depth, experience and conditioning, is it safe to assume we will be a 4-3 for the foreseeable future?
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Very few in a “3-4” but we did play a good bit of 3-3-5 because the nickel personnel is so good.
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 18, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to ask about that...
I wonder if we’ll see more and more of that, considering our recent recruiting success at DL
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Wouldn’t we see less because of the DL recruiting?
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 18, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
i think he means size, not numbers
we have some big DE’s lately, so they could handle the 3-4 better than the 240 guys we used to run out every week
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Oh, sure, but I think they would go with 4-2-5 more than likely
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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i can see that on pass downs
since we seem to get more coverage sacks than on blitzes, the extra big man would help collapse the pocket better than a LB
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Yes, definitely a 4-3 for the foreseeable future
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 18, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
if we do play the 3-4 this year
seems to me our two best lineups would be, situationally:
SDE/NT/WDE, Sam/Mike/Will/Jack
Werner/McCloud/Dawkins, Jones/Luc/Bradham/Carradine or Jenkins
Werner/McCloud/Carradine, Bradham/Luc/Williams/Jones
or maybe move in Moody to the Will put the backup in at SS. any thoughts?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
From review of USCe game (I've lost the notes I took)
but, we ran a three man front 14 or 15 times out of about 70 plays. Half of those (7 or 8) were:
Dawkins-NT
Jenkins, Werner-DEs
The rest were:
McCloud-NT
Jenkins, Werner/White- DE’s
IIRC the three man fronts were almost exclusively on passing downs. I wasn’t paying attention to the rest of the defensive personnel. So, can’t give any data on the rest of your question. Take from that whatever you will.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 18, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
that was mostly 3-3-5, right?
3-3-5 is best used on passing downs anyway, so that would make sense. i included both possibilities to account for bigger (more likely run) and smaller (more likely pass) lineups. i can see how Dawkins would be a better option on passing downs when we trade a DT or LB for a nickelback, but he isnt big enough to be a NT, is he?
but on top of that, what are your impressions of the roster, i.e. do you think the lineups i had are likely, or do you think other guys would fit better in those spots?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I don't know where the other 8 were lined up. I was only paying attention to DL.
but on top of that, what are your impressions of the roster, i.e. do you think the lineups i had are likely, or do you think other guys would fit better in those spots?
way outside my expertise (what little I have). I’ll let someone else answer that.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 18, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if it was a passing down or not
But one of the times we were in a 3 man front, Jenkins had a TFL on a running play…
Yes 3-down nickel
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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On passing downs he is.
but he (Dawkins) isnt big enough to be a NT, is he?
On running plays, the 0-tech NT is responsible for holding the point of attack while tying up 2 blockers. In that sense, Dawkins is not big enough.
On passing plays, the NT has to get penetration straight up the gut. Dawkins is VERY good at that… I don’t envy him though….having 3 blockers waiting to see which way you are going sucks.
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Does anyone know what freshman dt we plan to redshirt?
by Noleforever9399 on Mar 18, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
If they are healthy
it will depend on who on the depth chart gets hurt, if they stay healthy, how strong/big/lean they report at, and how quickly they show they are ready for major college ball – mentally and physically.
The coaches might have someone penciled in as a redshirt, but nothings definitely planned until they report and compete.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Mar 18, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Defensive Tackles
These guys are really the key to the defense. If they are winning their battles, it makes it easier for everyone else on the defense to do their jobs. Good for Stoops’ blood pressure too, no doubt.
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I think the safeties are. I’d rate all the other units above average to excellent. The safeties have been poor.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I know this isn't the safety preview
But, wouldn’t the learning curve for the new D philosophy be the steepest for safeties?
yes, but that doesnt account for all of their issues, just some
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Probably, but Moody and Parks are stiff and not exactly team leaders either. There’s a reason Brooks and Joyner were moved to safety.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Bud - What do you think the chances are of Williams and Joyner being our starting safeties by the end of next season?
I would think that would give us one of the most talented, if not experienced, secondaries in the nation.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Mar 18, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know really.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Wasn't sure if I'd ever see another reference to "Budd Thacker's high drama / low production career" on TN. I bet over.
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I know Jimbo likes to inflate but I think he said at the last interview thingie that McAllister was already around 300
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He said 288 290. Another site reported it incorrectly.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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ah, thanks for the clarification
Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

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