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Florida State Opens Spring Practice

TALLAHASSEE, Fla.- The Seminoles worked in shorts and helmets for nearly 2 ½ hours on the intramural fields located across the street from Doak Campbell Stadium. It was day one of preparation for a 2011 campaign that is one of the most anticipated football seasons around the storied program in some time.

Fisher seemed pleased with the opening day.  FSU is now acclimated to working hard.  Fisher talked recently about how the team doesn't need to learn to work hard as it did last year.

"We've still got miles to go," FSU head coach Jimbo Fisher said after Monday's first spring workout. "We're getting where we need to go. For the most part understanding how well we did it. There were known assignments, not a lot of busted assignments which I was happy about. Our technique and that type of stuff needs to get a lot better. We have a lot of new guys out there. So for the most part, typical, average, solid first spring practice."

Having a relatively proven quarterback taking over helps a coach feel good about practice.

"He knew where he was going, had a couple of mistakes, couple of poor throws, but his decision making was good," said Fisher. "His timing with some of those guys was off a little- a couple of those routes didn't come out right. He let a ball fly or two, which for a first day wasn't bad. His decision making and overall demeanor was great. He made some really nice throws, made some inside seam throws and threw the ball well down the field inside."

Man In The Middle

Not only was Manuel getting used to making it through a spring practice, he also was getting used to who was snapping him the ball. With the departure of consensus All-American left guard Rodney Hudson and starting center Ryan McMahon combined with four offensive linemen - Andrew Datko (Left tackle), Zebrie Sanders (Right tackle), Rhonne Sanderson (Guard) and Blake Snider (Guard) - all out for the spring, FSU offensive line coach Rick Trickett mixed in a new group on the first team. Henry Orelus (LT), Jake Fahrenkrug (LG), Bryan Stork (C/RG), David Spurlock (C/RG) and Garrett Faircloth (RT) spent time on that first team offensive line Monday. Spurlock started the first seven games of the season before missing the last seven games. Stork was inserted in the lineup during the middle of the season and started four games. Both rotated between center and right guard.

"He practiced every play because it wasn't full contact," Fisher said of Spurlock (who is recovering from two severe concussions last season). "He did some center and did some guard. It was good to get him back out here for the first time in a long time. We had a couple of bobbled snaps here and there but that's going to happen when you have a new center. Stork did a real nice job."

No, I don't expect Orelus to stay at tackle.  He also rotated in with the guards.  The coaches absolutely love Fahrenkrug to date, and if everything goes right, he could be a dominant force.  

"We have some offensive line issues that we have to solve up at center and develop some depth behind the guys that are going to play, backup quarterback, receivers' consistency level there, developing our tight ends - need to keep growing there, our backs to keep taking the steps they are taking, defensive line - develop some depth for those young guys there, linebacker - we got two new spots there and we've got some guys in the secondary moving around at safety and corner. We got a lot of issues going on. Hopefully, we'll develop our top 22 guys out there. We know the guys that have started that won't be in there, but develop some of these young guys and some depth."

Offensive line and safety are the major issues facing the Seminoles.  Backup quarterback is not a major issue.  Florida State fans have been quite spoiled with Ponder and Manuel on the roster, but that's just not a normal situation.  When a team loses its quarterback, it typically loses its season (See also: Bradford, Sam).  

Other Notes

- Fisher recently raved about TE Will Tye and LB Christian Jones (who has bulked up to 236 pounds and should reach at least 240 by opening day).  

- The linebacker lineup for Spring will be WLB Nigel Bradham (backup Telvin Smith), MLB Vince Williams (backup Terrence Smith, for now), SLB Christian Jones (backup Nigel Terrell)

- If you haven't seen Jacob Fahrenkrug since the 20-pound weight loss, here you go.  Good picture of EJ Manuel here as well.

- Jermaine Thomas was still not back (suspended due to multiple "driving w/ suspended license" violations), but is expected back soon.  Beau Reliford could come back at the end of Spring, but Fisher said the priority there is academics as Reliford missed the bowl game due to academic ineligibility.  

- Some rumored that TE Tank Sessions was moving to defensive end.  That's not happening at this point.  He is getting over a leg issue and has been running with the defensive linemen and offensive linemen because those groups are slower and better fit his pace as he heals from the leg issue.

Inside is the updated spring roster

Star-divide

Players struck through are out for Spring

QB
3 - E.J. Manuel / QB 6-4 234 JR
9 - Clint Trickett / QB 6-2 175 r-FR
16 - Will Secord / QB 6-1 215 SO

RB
4 - Devonta Freeman / RB 5-8 200 FR
21 - Debrale Smiley / RB 5-11 240 JR
23 - Chris Thompson / RB 5-8 190 JR
24 - Lonnie Pryor / RB 6-0 219 JR
33 - Ty Jones / RB 5-11 212 SR
38 - Jermaine Thomas / RB 5-11 187 SR

WR
8 - Taiwan Easterling / WR 5-11 200 SR Baseball
12 - Jared Haggins / WR 6-1 188 SO
15 - Greg Dent / WR 5-11 193 SO
19 - Josh Gehres / WR 6-3 194 SO
81 - Kenny Shaw / WR 5-11 165 SO
82 - Willie Haulstead / WR 6-3 206 JR
83 - Bert Reed / WR 5-11 175 SR
84 - Rodney Smith / WR 6-6 216 JR
89 - Christian Green / WR 6-0 201 r-FR

TE
85 - Ja'Baris Little / TE 6-3 238 SR
88 - Beau Reliford / TE 6-6 260 SR Academics
44 - Will Tye / TE 6-2 243 r-FR
47 - Tank Sessions / TE 6-6 252 r-FR

OL
52 - Bryan Stork / OG 6-4 289 SO
53 - Sterling Lovelady / OL 6-2 277 FR
56 - Trey Pettis / OL 6-5 311 FR
59 - Henry Orelus / OG 6-3 295 SO
60 - Jacob Fahrenkug / OG 6-4 307 JR
61 - Blake Snider / OG 6-3 294 r-SO Foot
67 - Andrew Datko / OT 6-6 311 SR Shoulder
72 -Daniel Foose / OL 6-6 279 r-FR
73 - Rhonne Sanderson / OT 6-3 290 JR Lower Leg
76 - Garrett Faircloth / OT 6-7 291 SO
77 - Zebrie Sanders / OT 6-6 307 SR 
78 - Jordan Prestwood / OL 6-5 281 FR
79 - David Spurlock / OL 6-4 300 SR


DL
55 - Jaccobi McDaniel / DT 6-0 301 JR Groin
90 - Moses McCray / DT 6-2 320 r-JR Knee (partial participant)
91 - Tank Carradine / DE 6-5 251 JR
92 - Anthony McCloud / DT 6-2 302 JR
93 -Everett Dawkins / DL 6-3 281 JR
94 - Darious Cummings / DL 6-2 285 SO
95 - Bjoern Werner / DE 6-4 273 SO
96 - Toshmon Stevens / DE 6-5 230 JR
97 - Demonte McAllister / DL 6-2 285 SO
98 - Cameron Erving / DT 6-5 301 r-FR 
58 - Dan Hicks / DE 6-4 265 SO
49 - Brandon Jenkins / DE 6-3 258 JR

LB
7 - Christian Jones / LB 6-4 236 SO
11 - Vince Williams / LB 6-1 245 JR
13 - Nigel Bradham / LB 6-2 240 SR
22 - Telvin Smith / LB 6-3 209 SO
24 - Terrance Smith / LB 6-3 212 FR
57 - Homes Onwukaife / LB 6-2 242 r-FR Shoulder
28 - Nigel Terrell / LB 6-1 218 r-FR
48 - Jeff Luc / LB 6-0 246 SO Knee

DB
1 - Mike Harris / CB 5-11 183 SR
5 - Greg Reid / CB 5-8 185 JR
15 - Nick Waisome / CB 5-10 165 FR
27 - Xavier Rhodes / CB 6-2 205 SO
21 - Avis Commack / CB 6-3 202 r-JR
3 - Justin Bright / S 6-1 184 SO
4 - Terrance Parks / S 6-2 218 SR
6 - Gerald Demps / S 5-11 206 SO
10 - Nick Moody / S 6-2 226 JR
20 - Lamarcus Joyner / S 5-8 192 SO
31 - Terrence Brooks / S 5-11 189 SO
41 - Chad Abram / S 6-0 218 SO

ST
18 - Dustin Hopkins / K 6-2 183 JR
45 - Shawn Powell / P 6-4 235 SR

 

I'm especially pleased with the progress made by the defensive linemen.  265 pounds for Dan Hicks is very good.

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While knowing who the starters are going in is often a good thing

I think it is fantastic that there are going to be so many position battles. The competition should be fierce, and I have much more confidence in this administration’s ability to recognize the cream rising.
It makes me think about the mid-season promise two years ago that some starters were gonna get pulled in place of the younger guys who wanted to play. Then promptly, nothing happened. I’m a Bowden apologist, and even I can admit that.

BTW, have we debated which position battle will be the most intriguing?

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by SalmonNole on Mar 21, 2011 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I posed the question today on twitter. The responses were all over the board.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 21, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is good IMO

Means we have young guys pushing to take spots.

by BenDNole on Mar 21, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say safety and center are the most obvious ones to watch

I think it will be interesting to see if we enter fall camp with Moody as the back up.

Intriguing? I’m really intrigued to see how the WR depth chart pans out, even though that is one position I’m not really concerned about.

by BenDNole on Mar 21, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. Center & Safety a close 2nd.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 23, 2011 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Listed at 225

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 21, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the depth on DL

I think this is going to be a key for our defense to continue to progress. We’ve got to get better on 3rd down to be better on defense, and we can’t do that without quality depth that looks like it might emerge next year.

by Noles32 on Mar 21, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Some, but as we covered in the QB preview, he seems to be a hard gainer

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Simple solution to that: EAT MORE F'N FOOD!!!
he seems to be a hard gainer

So was I. Thought I knew it all about nutrition in college. Caloric intake HAS to exceed caloric expenditure…………….period.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 23, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dorsey composition

He looks about 170 in person. I wonder if he’s had to take any shots from the D-Line or LBs yet. Does the scout team QB wear a green shirt also?

by ryandinho on Mar 22, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought so as well, but we’ll see

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

He may have been absent on weigh in day

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think anyone who says one or the other at this point is probably guessing. We have not seen them with the pads on.

But on pure athleticism, Joyner. If he can replace Moody it will be a big help.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

I so desperately want at least one of the starting safeties to be replaced. Most people say Parks but I say Moody is the one who would probably need to go

by westcoastnolefan on Mar 22, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moody “made” more plays, but he also gave up more. And I don’t think he is great against the run. He is a great hitter, but takes poor angles and is often out of position.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moody

That is why Moody missing Spring puts him even further behind. I think Spring was going to be his chance to ‘catch up.’ He has all the physical tools, he just needs to make better adjustments and learn the zone system. On the other hand, if Nick Moody is your back up safety, that is not such a bad thing…

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by BossNole on Mar 22, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The competition

at safety alone is a good thing. Brooks and Joyner will push to be the starters, though I wish Joyner would stay at cornerback. Parks will defintely have to work for his spot this spring.

by Matt Champion on Mar 22, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agree Completely

Parks is more serviceable than Moody in more situations.

by DesiNole on Mar 22, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have not been by the IM fields lately.

Did they set something up to obstruct the view of the practice or can we go there and watch?

by marlins44 on Mar 22, 2011 1:47 AM EDT reply actions  

When I drove by

they hadn’t yet and looking in the background of some of War Chant’s photos, they haven’t.

A.K.A. geoofisfoagoos

by geoffissiffoeg on Mar 22, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wife works at the stadium

and said she saw them out there, so they’re not blocked (or weren’t yesterday) I think.

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by GregJones on Mar 22, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was out there Monday for an hour watching unblocked.

Didn’t see any today either on the way to work. I think they’ll keep it unblocked. Seems like FSU is more open about their spring now with the televised game and all.

by Fool-proof Fisher on Mar 22, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fear da spear

I think MLB will be the most intriguing position battle, and backup QB

by Bbett on Mar 22, 2011 7:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Am I seeing Toshmon Stevens' Weight Correctly?

230? and 6’5" What is the assumption about how big he’s gonna get? that weight on that height, that’s like a big receiver (ok, that’d be a huge receiver but you get my point) not a DE type size. Or am i missing something here?

by ncarolinanole on Mar 22, 2011 8:10 AM EDT reply actions  

the same as it ever was.

Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."

by harper.rb on Mar 22, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

fahrenkug

Is gonna be a BEAST!!

Surrender now or be counted with the endless masses that i will defeat-DISTURBED

by disturbednole on Mar 22, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

doc called it yesterday.....really tiny head

That or a really big body. goin with the latter on this one. bigguywithalittlehead……

by buckeyeNOLE on Mar 22, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've thought he has a small neck which concerned me

You can look at a guy’s “mug shot” and that will tell a lot about their lifting habits, I think.

But he looks much improved in that photo from the neck down certainly.

by Sobering on Mar 22, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

We need to work on class balance.

4 Sophomore WRs 6 Junior Defensive Linemen

It would be nice if we can spread that out so we don’t lose to much when they leave. It would suck to have a potentially good season ruined by lack of depth. I hope Jimbo and Co. address that in the coming years.

The battles that most intrigues me is Safety and Wide Receiver. I am curious to see what Christian Green brings to the group. Hopefully he is that dynamic player we’ve been searching for. Kenny Shaw is another player I think will make a case for making Bert and Twain play a little less.

At Safety I hope Moody works extra hard at pass coverage else he will be on the bench.

My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-1)
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by Legal_Seminole on Mar 22, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

They're trying to build balance.

Really tough to do that in one or even two years when you start out with zero quality upperclassmen.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 22, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

correct, it was needed to build depth

sign a bunch as soon as you can to make sure you have enough guys to guarantee a few good ones, and the rest to have depth at the position. then sign as usual after that and wait for guys to get beat out and transfer.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 22, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can be consoled by the fact that the DLs will inevitably get spread out by a medical hardship or two.

Odds are we lose at least 1 with an injury serious enough to give them another year of elligibility, if we need them.

by arrdub on Mar 22, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rest assured all those juniors will not stick around. Some will move on to seek PT.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ Manuel on expectations.
“I think the expectations are set by us,” Manuel said. "A lot of people can have expectations for us, but as a team we set our own expectations. Last year, we wanted to win the national championship and we felt like we had the pieces to do it. Just fell a little short . . .

“We’re excited about all of the expectations. And we’re embracing it instead of being afraid of it.”

“I think playing in all the games I’ve played in, that’s been a big stepping-stone for me,” Manuel said. “Every game I’ve gotten better. Just playing in high-pressure situations, every time you play here it’s a big game. The next game is the next big game.”

“I’m excited,” Manuel said. “I’m feeling good right now. . . . This is going to be huge. I get the chance to get reps (this spring) with the first team. I’m not hurt at all. I’m not going to have anything that will hold me back. You can just let it rip.”

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
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by FrankDNole on Mar 22, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

More from EJ.
"It’s not a big difference to me, honestly," he said. "I feel like the time I’ve had here at Florida State so far, I’ve been prepared by my coaches very well. Even when I haven’t been playing, I’ve still taken that time and initiative to still get better."

"You just embrace it," Manuel said. "A lot of people would probably want to be in the position that we are here at Florida State. A lot of people want to play quarterback here as well. I’ve been waiting and working hard to prepare for the time that’s finally here now. There have been times where I feel like I was working so hard it wasn’t even paying off, mainly because the learning curve, it takes a while to understand and really grasp this offense. It’s kind of been a hard experience, but at the same time now it’s paying off and when I did have opportunities to play, I was ready."

"It let me know I can win in big games, and not be afraid of the moment — seize the moment rather than be afraid of it," Manuel said. "A lot of people crack under pressure. Around here, you’re always expected to perform at a high level and expected to perform under Fisher. Coach Fisher wants you to perform when the time comes. You always have to be ready for that. That kind of solidified that in my mind, helped me become mentally tough."

"I definitely can do more," Manuel said when specifically asked about the passing game. "I think it’s really up to coach Fisher. He’s only going to call what he feels you’re comfortable with, so obviously this spring is going to be really big for me as far as showing him I can do it."

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
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by FrankDNole on Mar 22, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

And futhermore,
"This is a very important growth phase for me. I think this is going to change my play as a quarterback immensely," he said of the spring. "Coach [ Jimbo] Fisher and [quarterbacks coach Dameyune Craig] are going to have a month to do exactly what they want with me. Train my eyes, get me exactly how they want me as a quarterback. That’s only going to help me transform into the player I need to be. To be the best leader and the quarterback mean."

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
FSU: "Where The Elite Become Champions"

by FrankDNole on Mar 22, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

EJ

He has the BEST attitude any QB could posibly have to learn from experts. He is REALLY going to be a great QB!! Noles are gonna rock the next 2 years with him!!

Seminole football is not a passion it is an obsession for the die-hards!

by LaxNole on Mar 22, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

where is doc holiday?

Jimbo is the Tomas Crown of NCAAFB

by stevegrizzle on Mar 22, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Locked in a glass cage of emotion.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 22, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coach Trickett is going to be worn out by the end of spring

Just looking at the DL availablle versus the OL available, he’s going to get a work out this spring. But that’s good, playing against good DL gives them their best chance to get better. But not having the tackles will frustrate my favority marine at times, I fear.

by Sobering on Mar 22, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep, they will whip the oline on the edges.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d say 5’9" 160.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

My 9 year old is almost bigger than Nick

by I275Nole on Mar 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but....

Nick can stay right in a receivers pocket…. Don’t worry, he’ll add weight – just keep reminding yourself that he “should” still be in high school right now & has only a few weeks in a college weight program

by FSU on Mar 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Soon

Once he hits puberty, watch out!

Dude can cover though!

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by LaxNole on Mar 22, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have world class talent on D, mostly young.

If Stoops can stick around for 2 more years, 2012’s defense will be championship caliber.

by FSUActuary on Mar 22, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Any talk about Nick Moody moving back to LB in the fall?

With Joyner/Brooks/Karlos Williams battling for the FS position, I think it would make more sense to have a LB corp of

SLB – Christian Jones/Nick Moody
MLB – Vince William/Jeff Luc
WLB – Nigel Bradham/ Telvin Smith

by CCDFSU07 on Mar 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Nope

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

not a good idea in my opinion

he is still young and would be a good back up

by 93noleman on Mar 22, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Telvin Smith

So no weight gain for him?

by az5950 on Mar 22, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Not enough protein. He needs to cram every piece of char-grilled animal flesh he can get into his mouth...

4,000 calories & 300 g protein/day……..he will gain.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 23, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was like 202 last year

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's really, really good.

End of my story.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 22, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Groin surgery

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not liking all of the groin injuries

Jimbo’s new job: Keeping the players away from the coeds

In all seriousness, I like that the coaches took steps to prevent this going forward

by MWM Nole on Mar 22, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, it's hard to stay away from those coeds.

X should take all of the time he needs to heal up. We have got to have him 100 percent in the fall.

by fsunole23 on Mar 22, 2011 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Desperado" came on TV.....I'm going to need groin surgery in the morning.

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by DRusso97 on Mar 23, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chad Abram to LB

I thought there was some talk of Chad Abram moving to LB, no longer?

by DesiNole on Mar 22, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

We reported on the rumor but it never materialized.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think it was all speculation based on his supposed appearance

there was a rumor that he looked around 235-240, which would be LB size. apparently, rumors of his new size have been greatly exaggerated.

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by nole07 on Mar 22, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Foose

I would think Foose could get some looks at first team LT. Last I talked to him he said that was the plan…has something changed or is he hurt?

by optimisticNOLE on Mar 22, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he is still developing physically.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you ever see him starting down the road? Or even once Datko goes pro?

by optimisticNOLE on Mar 22, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure really. Haven’t seen him play.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Snider's foor injury

Same injury as last fall, or new? Had some hope for him, missing alot of time.

by fsu2wall on Mar 22, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Same, nasty nasty injury

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

did he shatter bones or something?

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 22, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just hope he gets less stiff

taking the starting job would be icing….

Championship!

by TLHWG on Mar 22, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's What She DIDN'T Say
I just hope he gets less stiff

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by DRusso97 on Mar 23, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lots of hype, but CJones was no slouch though, extremely well thought of...

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CJones was 5*s
Luc was high 4*

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by PalmAireNole on Mar 22, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luc was an initial 5* guy with a highlight reel to die for.

He was more hyped, but Jones was very highly regarded as well.

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by tricknole on Mar 22, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Luc's hype was also partially due to his physical stature.

He was a grown ass man coming in.

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by PalmAireNole on Mar 23, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the big hits (including the 1st 3) in his highlight reel

just disgusting

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 23, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Luc was definitely more hyped b/c of the hits, but anyone who watched both Luc and Jones’ tapes would see Jones as the better prospect.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 23, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

you mean this one?

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 23, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

my bad, posted that in the wrong thread, same video as above

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Mar 23, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

its all good in the hood

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Mar 23, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not during the spring

Since he isn’t playing.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Mar 22, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s injured. Let’s see how he does when he comes back.

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by Bud Elliott on Mar 22, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I really don't like R. Smith dropping weight

he already had good speed, but lacked physicality at times. Haulstead dropping a few isn’t so bad…he was sort of the reverse of Rodney.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Did Rodney have any bad weight to lose?

If not, then it likely does signify a loss of power.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 22, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better strength program now than 2006, yes?

Maybe it’s that his previous weight was BEFORE Vic came on staff last year, so he actually didn’t play at what he was listed last year, before losing “bad weight”…. or maybe the weight listed for last season was bogus to begin with…. or maybe he’s been sick and the loss is just temporary.

Anyway, the underlying assumption in all of these is that it will be a rare exception when a guy takes a step back from year to year.

by arrdub on Mar 22, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the S & C is better now, yes.

Don’t think he’s ever had bad weight. I suppose the other “maybe’s” are possible. In general, when thin guys drop weight (if he actually did, which was the assumption in my original statement) they also lose strength.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 22, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much did he lose?

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by tricknole on Mar 22, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything I saw last year

had him in the low 220’s.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 22, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My brother was his O lineman in high school

And goes to FSU. He sees him on campus often and talks to him. I’d say it’s pretty reliable. Aside from that, I met Christian when he was in high school and he was already over 6 foot so I know that’s wrong.

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