FSU's Season Ends in Overtime, 72-71
by norcal_nole on Mar 26, 2011 1:31 AM EDT
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After failing to play defense for the first 20 minutes the Seminoles came out in the 2nd half focused and ready to go to work. Unfortunately FSU didn't have enough offense to overcome the deficit, and it took a 25' 3-pointer from Chris Singleton to send the game to overtime. Up 1, with 7.9 seconds to go in overtime, VCU ran a lengthy inbounds play where multiple screens left two FSU guards on the interior, and VCU got an easy layup from 6'6 Bradford Burgess. On the other end FSU failed to get a shot off after Derwin Kitchen inexplicably passed on an 8 footer and the season ended in the Sweet 16.
Derwin Kitchen, who also had a chance to win it in regulation, led the Noles with 23 points and 11 rebounds. Bernard James, despite 8 points and 10 boards, had his first letdown game of the postseason and routinely turned the ball over to a smaller VCU team. Michael Snaer was feast or famine, with three huge 3-pt shots, but he also shot 1 of 6 on 2s and had three crucial turnovers in the final 7 minutes. Chris Singleton had 16 points and 8 rebounds in what was likely his last game at FSU. In what was the trend for the season, FSU took 11 3-pointers in the 1st half, many out of rhythm of the offense, and failed to consistently get the ball inside until the 2nd half. None of this is surprising for an offense that struggled throughout the season, but the contrast was stark due to having the Notre Dame game fresh in fans minds. The difference in this game was the defense, and credit VCU for taking advantage of every mis-step the Noles made.
On the night VCU shot 12 of 26 (46 percent) from the 3-pt line, and were the 1st team since UNC to come even close to scoring a point per possession against the Seminole defense.
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likely his last game.Doubtfull he’s not ready he knows it and so does every scout he has got to become more consitint offenseivly.leavin this year instead of next would cost him millions and im pretty sure they still teach you how to count at FSU
by William Harpermagor1392 on Mar 26, 2011 1:37 AM EDT reply actions
This makes zero sense
He’s projected as a mid to late 1st rounder, and will develop a whole lot faster when he can ball for a living rather than 20 hours a week.
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Any chance the foot injury hurts his draft status? I know it’s a common foot injury in sports and doesn’t have any real lo g term detrimental effects, but just curious I guess if it makes teams think twice and maybe causes him to do the same with leaving.
He only has marginal lateral speed to begin with,
so I can’t see it having any effect. He’ll get drafted on his athleticism, his offense skills (which are much more suited to the NBA game) and the fact that he has the quickest hands of any 6’9 guy in college.
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every kid who can get guaranteed money (1st round) but is thinking of coming back should be forced to watch the s livingston video
he was about 21 yrs old at the time…
(warning – might bring back your lunch)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsCPE96gdK0
He should get his money now, will also develop more.
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I agree. Get the money now, CS.
And thanks for the memories.
Why ask useless questions? How deep is the ocean? How high is the sky? Who is John Galt?
Doubt that Singleton is going pro
He struggles coming off the dribble. His value will rise if he can improve that, he kind of reminds me of Thorton after his junior year.
it wont improve in college, or likely at all anyway
better for him to get a 1st round draft pick and spend his entire day improving his offense than part time in class. besides, he isnt likely to improve his abilities off the dribble, either you have that step or you dont.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
dunno if thats sarcasm
either way, i didnt say our players dont get better. just that he has improved all he can at FSU.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I was at the game. Yes, the FG% vcu shot was of the best Fsu has faced. But from a game attending view, LH lost this game, or at least didnt give us the best chance to win. I guess he figured he could take the ONE remaining TO in regulation to tallaheezy. I’ll give him that, he’s not perfect. But to not use the ONE remaining TO in OT was embarrassing.
I lost my voice. It was worth the trip from Houston. But any way you slice it, it hurts. It hurts really bad.
by thirdcoastnole on Mar 26, 2011 1:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
agree
you’re absolutely right. terrible game management from LH. our offense is mediocre at best and he just lets our guys improvise on the last two plays to win the game (end of reg and OT)? horrible especially knowing this was a great chance for us to get to E8 and see where we stand against KU. maybe even sway a recruit or two.
even so, great job guys, two great wins.
OT Wish the Magic didn't include 1st rd pick in Phx deal
Would love to have Singleton on the Magic, they need a wing defender.
singleton
ask alibi how well that worked for him singleton gives you 30 some nights and 4 otheres
by William Harpermagor1392 on Mar 26, 2011 6:03 AM EDT reply actions
why no timeout
At end of regulation? Made zero sense for a terrible offensive team to not call one and just wing it. And has anyone noticed that kitch a lot of the times has ball when clock running down and never gets a shot off? This happened both before the half and end of reg.
by rythefly on Mar 26, 2011 7:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's likely that Hamilton didn't want VCU to set up their defense, specifically setting up there zone.
Probably felt there was a better chance to get a shot in transition against them rather than a set play from out of bounds. If FSU makes the shot, smart move by Hamilton. Given that they missed, or even completely failed to get a good shot, it looks like a terrible idea.
Florida State had plenty of opportunities to win this game, had times where they could have took control of the game and failed to do so. I was really disappointed by Florida State’s inability to effectively use their height advantage. Did Joey Rodriguez get posted up at any point by any our of guards. I know Snaer and Kitchen aren’t used to playing with their back to the basket, but the height advantage was ridiculous. Florida State’s big guys never got into a good rhythm and their rotation was interesting. Plus, you can’t miss layups. Florida State shot below 30% for the first half. They took 71 shots for the game, the second most they took all year, granted there is an over time included in that. The pace wasn’t significantly different from other games. They flat out missed.
It didn’t help that VCU was making their three point shots. 50% of VCU shot attempts were three point shots. They scored 0.99 points per possession. The 7th highest for the year against Florida State. That said, Florida State still took them to overtime and almost won the game. That is why I think this was more of Florida State losing the game than VCU winning and dominating. Credit to Shaka Smart as he played a great game plan, did some really interesting things and for getting his players to step up at exactly the right time. Not trying to take anything away from VCU, they had more points when it was all said and done, but Florida State should be really dissapointed right now.
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That's the only logical explanation, but
You still draw up something that at least puts you in position to draw a foul. We were in the double bonus, so anything would have been 2 shots. And let’s be honest, DK played a great game last night, but has proven he is not great managing these end of game situations. This what coaches do, put there in positions to be successful. In failing to call a timeout (either time), LH failed to do his job.
no, Ham didnt fail to do anything
the play was called out of the TO on defense, right before the inbounds pass to win it. Derwin was supposed to drive and shoot, but he lost the handle and had to pass. if you drive straight to draw a foul, they are planting and drawing a charge. overall, i like the call, it just didnt work out. cant blame the coach, we ran the right play but it just didnt happen.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I don't disagree with Hamilton's decision at all. It doesn't allow the defense to get set. Unfortunately, neither play was executed well.
If VCU was able to set up their zone, or set up a trap off the inbounds play everyone would be mad at Hamilton for not calling the right play or the like. What happened made sense in the flow of the game. My biggest issue is that it should have never come down to a last second play.
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my thoughts exactly
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I dont have as big a problem with the last possession of of as I do with last possession of reg
It was clear they didn’t have anything set up and they could have called t.o. with 8 secs or so and a decent shot – something that didn’t happen.
by Noles32 on Mar 26, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, TC
So good to see you posting.
Also, props to norcal for awesome bball coverage this season.
>>---l>
I'm with DK
Norcal did a great job and I know you’re busy. But I still missed your analysis as well.
by CelticPride on Mar 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Still confused
FSU failed to get a shot off at the end of the 1st and 2nd half and at the end of OT. Does LH teach late game offense situations or how to defend an inbounds play? FSU should have won this game handily with the size and athleticism advantage but their offensive skill level is rec league worthy at best
by nole your enemy on Mar 26, 2011 8:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
it seems
that we defended for 5 seconds; usually you don’t have to defend longer than that on an inbounds, but arizona likely got the only last minute 5 second call of the tournament;
great defense, going unrewarded
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Hey Norcal, you indicated that the Noles failed to play defense the first 30
minutes, but looking back, how much of that do you credit to VCU’s execution on offense, and the Rams hitting their shots? On balance, is this a case where the Hamliton & the Noles tip their cap to their opponent for playing well, or do they rue the missed opportunity to reach the Elite Eight because they did not play the level of defense they have during the year? Maybe its because the season is over and there is nothing you can do to change that, but my own impression is that I tend to think the former.
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lazy D
looked like after being just plain quicker than ND, guys werent mentally ready to play tough D. The ‘extra’ rotation we have made all year to keep teams from getting open 3s, we just didnt make. I think Kreft got benched after not rotating over in the 1st half.
by DeaconO on Mar 26, 2011 8:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I meant 20 (first half),
and it’s a bit of both. We came out unfocused and were drifting to far into the middle allowing all of those kickouts, and a few of our rotations were either too slow or we went under the screen instead of chasing the shooter. Good job for VCU to hit those 3s though. 2nd half was all VCU, as I thought FSU played their typical level of defense.
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by norcal_nole on Mar 26, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I felt like VCU was more physical than us in the 1st half
On both ends of the court (and it took the officials about 10-15 minutes to start calling fouls on tthem the way they were calling them on us). This coupled with the inability to finish offensively close to the basket ended up being too much to overcome. Got to credit VCU though, they knocked down the open shots, but you’re right, they shouldn’t have had a lot of those open shots.
the fouls calls make it seem like *we* were more physical
but in reality we were getting fouled for touching, and not getting calls for getting mugged. we couldnt be aggressive enough because there was always a BS call involved, but they got away with murder. terrible officiating in the first half, and at the end of the game.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I was very unhappy with the officiating in the first half. Only good thing was that Rodriguez got hit with a number of fouls early.
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Yes
As was I. I felt ticky-tack fouls were being called on us on D, while the same calls were not being whistled against them.
I agree they were calling touch fouls on us and nothing on us
At some point you just have to play through as best you can.
by Noles32 on Mar 26, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think it was supposed to be that way though
my biggest fear of the game going in, aside from last-second decisions, was the size advantage that would work against us; teams that are that oversized never get the fouls called the right way, because they are so big; i think ucla is a great example; they would have beaten florida if the refs would have blown the whistle every time that beast for the bruins was hacked; but they didn’t, and they don’t and we didn’t play very well through it
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
I love Kitchen but he has no sense of urgency
Of course, if anyone on our team could make a flipping layout, the noels would have won comfortably in regulation. We simply have to get some scoters to move to next level. I’ll take a sweet 16 appearance, but man an elite 8 would have been much sweeter, especially when it was in our grasp. Credit to VCU. They’re a scappy bunch and have some shooters. Hope they beat Kansas.
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Haha! Kansas is in the Final Four.
I’d put them as -10 for that game.
by basaltrock on Mar 26, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Vegas has KU -11, and Pomeroy is KU -13
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by norcal_nole on Mar 26, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
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Nominated for March Madness Post of the Year.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Kitchen is great, but I agree, dude has NO internal clock
Acts like he has 20 seconds when he has 5. He did it last game going into the half, he did it this game going into the half, and he did it again at the end of the game. Throw in the one against VT in the ACC Tourney that also came too late (at least he almost got that one off), and you see the trend.
What makes me feel a little better is knowing that whoever won this game would get slaughtered by KU anyway.
Bottom line, talk about Ham as you will (he does have his faults), but this was one of the best seasons FSU has ever had. We’ve been to the Final Four (actually the title game) back in, what, ‘72, and then there was an Elite 8 team and at least 1 or 2 sweet 16 teams under Pat Kennedy …so we’re in rare company when compared to past FSU teams.
what makes this especailly painful
is that despite the fact that we couldn’t make a stinking layup – we had 3 distinct opportunities to win this game. 2 last offensive possessions (regulation and OT) and a defensive possession. We as a team went 0 for 3 on those win opportunities and 2 of them saw the ball in Kitchen’s hands. Ouch – he just doesn’t possess the awareness to handle the ball in those types of situations.
"Telling numbers: In 2004, 2006, 2009 and 2010, the Jaguars had control of their playoff fate only to give it up with a poor finish." - Kuharsky
Keep chopping foot
Holy crap, and then today I get my mind blown as VCU dominated Kansas
They held KU to, what, 61 points? Guys, I feel sick right now…chances are very good that we would have beaten Kansas today had we gotten one play the other night, just one play, that we should have had.
But hey, we’d have probably drawn a great team in the Final Four and…oh, what? An 8-seed made it through? And would be matched against us?!?!? And the other side is UConn and KU for all the marbles? And Singleton would have been a week healthier, and would have likely made the same kind of huge leap in this next week that he made this past week, and might’ve been back to his old self on defense (much like he’d almost gotten back on offense this week)?
Holy Lord. Ironically (considering so many folks had all the 1’s running into the Final Four in their brackets), this turned out to be one of the most winnable tournaments ever, and we were RIGHT THERE with a shot. If that were us in the place of VCU, I think we’d have a very realistic shot to win it all with the remaining matchups…
Tome Out, Leonard, time out
Again, our coaching staff put its lack of offense coaching on display. Call a time out and set up a play. Surely we must have a play that will get the ball in-bounds and at least give us a chance to get a shot off. I guess the coaches figure the players learned this drill in Middle School so there is no need to teach it at the University level. Under 10 seconds at end of regulation and OT and we fail to even get a shot off. Somehow, from somewhere, we MUST get at least one asst coach who knows what to do when we have the ball. VCU played their hearts out, give them that. Our guys played OK but our coaches, not so much.
If we shot 11 first half 3's, wasn't it against 41 total shots?
I thought our 1st half problem wasn’t so much the shot selection but the fact we couldn’t hit a damn thing. We must have missed at least 10 shots from within 5’.
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That's what I saw. That's just lack of offensive talent.
You can’t coach making a running jumper in traffic. I think (hope) next year we see some of that go away.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Mar 26, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
the missed bunny shots in the first half bother me more than the final sequence.
my long-held opinion is situations like the last 7 seconds—regardless of the made-for-tv drama involved—are crapshoots that can go either way. Some of those first-half missed lay-ups were laughably open. Could have made a blooper video out of them.
When does the 2011-2012 schedule come out? Dammit, I am ready!
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I feel like the ACC sucks at getting schedules out, so maybe late summer.
If we have more than 3 teams that finish 250+ in the RPI next year on the schedule (we had 9 this year I believe), Hamilton truly is an idiot. I really hope he isn’t. Those RPI killers are just that. Could easily see them docking us 20 spots in the RPI this past year solely because of crappy scheduling.
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not entirely Ham's fault with schedule
we did have OSU, and games in Hawaii. Who would’ve predicted Auburn to be as bad as they were (or Wake). We aren’t Duke so we will squeeze in a couple of cupcakes. I’m sure he learned from prior years not to schedule too many cupcakes. Remember we were sitting in VT’s shoes a few years back because of the cupcakes.
It is all his fault.
North Florida…………149
N.C. Greensboro…….298
Gardner-Webb……….262
Florida Intl……………283
Mercer…………………221
Hartford……………….276
Stetson………………..304
Loyola Marymnt……..268
Hawaii…………………161
Butler……………………34
Baylor…………………..94
Auburn…………………256
Average……………….217
That’s pretty poor scheduling. We would play UF and a Big Ten team regardless so it’s not part of the ooc schedule Hamilton put together. Even if Auburn had an RPI of 100 (they are rarely a good basketball team), that’s still a 204 average.
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To duplicate the missed shots like that again, we'd probably have to try to catch that much rim w/o scoring
We just had awful touch around the hoop – no ability to finish last night. It happens. I think we made it worse by not being so aggressive (guys were fading a bit even around the hoop, which makes no sense, as we should have played right over the top of those smaller defenders…should have played over the top of the rim).
Yes, all night I said "JUST DUNK THAT SHIT! QUIT P***YFOOTING IT!"
It’s the same type of thing I yelled at Jermaine Thomas all last football season. And then Singleton promptly blows a dunk opportunity. haha
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Bing Bing Bing
In the first half – other than the first two shots (both 3’s) that went down, it felt like we needed 3 shots to score (and we got them a fair number of times.
I was also worried that we didn’t turn the ball over – but were still down.
The Kenny Smith stat at half was the eye opener for me.
Didn’t realize we had taken 19 more shots.
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I really appreciate your work Norcal, and I understand the frustration to a point, BUT...
That’s an awfully negative tone in your game summary for a team that blew away any expectations we had for the postseason. I’ve certainly enjoyed the ride, and can’t believe we came within 1 point of the elite eight.
We play great defense, and by the end of the year I think we were playing about as good on offense as we have the ability to. During the second half of the year we saw this team slowly eliminate turnovers, get the ball into the paint more, and take better shot selection from long range. Is Ham perfect? Definitely not. But how can you argue with the improvement this team made throughout the year and the stellar defense we’ve played all season?
Tip the cap to VC for shooting the lights out last night. We all said that if a 3 point shooting team gets hot, and they were last night, they’re really hard to beat.
Go Noles! Made it the Sweet Sixteen!
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I’ll do a season summary which will be much more upbeat.
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by norcal_nole on Mar 26, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking forward to it.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Mar 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Norcal - Preliminary, Brief Informal Preseason Thoughts?
As a longtime Nole, alumnus and booster, I am more excited about FSU hoops than I’ve been in a very long time. It’s therefore natural to look ahead to next year as this one ends.
Can you give a few sentences on your current expectations for next season?
I’m hoping for another tourney bid while thinking PG is the main question mark in addition to replacing Singleton. Kitchen takes heat but he will very much be missed. I’m hopeful that Miller and Loucks can platoon to be steady, with Miller picking up a little scoring. Snaer progressed and I think that will continue. People forget he’s only a SO.
A marginal 3FG% improvement by Dulkys will give them two backcourt shooters with diverse scoring by Snaer. By the end of the year, one of Whisnant or Thomas may contribute a few offensive minutes per game a la Miller this year.
They return five deep at the 4 and 5, all JR and SR.
Any early thoughts? I’d love to hear them. TIA!
We won't know until we see who from the ACC jumps to the NBA.
We should still solidy be in the 3-5 pod behind UNC and Duke. VT, BC and Clem all lose a ton in the way of seniors, so the upper-middle of the ACC will look a lot different.
Losing Kitchen is a bigger deal than losing Singleton. How well Miller steps up will be key, but we’ll have lots of veterans and plenty of teams run without a true PG. We’ll be a much more dangerous team from the perimeter next year, so if the guards can buy into the inside-out philosophy and really work on angles and entries, we should be more fluid on offense. This of course assumes that Miller can be a poor mans Toney Douglas next season. If he really struggles we could be in trouble.
Whisnant and Aaron Thomas should both be ready to contribute, but I’m guessing Ham will have Thomas on the shortest leash possible, so he may not show much until his sophomore year.
The other key is scheduling. Put together a smart schedule and this will be another tournament team. Schedule like we did this year and we’ll likely be talking about the bubble all year again.
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why would Thomas be on a short leash?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Academically.
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Awesome. Thanks.
I agree with everything you said, so it’s nice to have my cautious optimism verified.
I love what Miller has shown so far, and am excited about having multiple legit outside scoring threats in addition to a solid post game. As for angles and entries, the team (not just Kitchen and including the big men) dramatically improved over the course of this year so I’m hopeful. The first half of this year, FSU couldn’t even make an entry pass.
In addition to what you say about Thomas/Whisnant below (which is disappointing to hear), I’d also expect Whisnant to be able to more easily immediately contribute b/c he’s more of a pure 3-pt threat, which IMO more easily translates to the next level.
What was wrong with this years schedule.
We had 5 of the 16 remaining teams on our schedule this past year? Was it too easy? Too hard? I’d love to schedule more games against powerhouses, but if we go too heavy that way, we could easily schedule our way out of the post season.
We're scheduling as if RPI didn't exist,
way too many RPI 200+ teams on our schedule, which hurt you win or lose
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See my response to you above.
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Now THAT was funny.
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Not to be argumentative but I question how much we really improved throughout the year.
The “improvement” I believe we saw on offense only improved us to 136th in the nation. It only appears that we were playing good offense because we were actually in the low 200’s at one point in January or February.
I also feel like we only blew away any postseason expectations because we had zero expectations. I think the majority truly believed we’d be one and done again. In postseason ACC play we failed to meet expectations imo, which was just win one game.
I’m happy we made the Sweet Sixteen. It’s a nice accomplishment, but losing to VCU – a team that honestly should not have been in the field and was the worst of the 16 remaining teams – puts a damper on things. Looking at the season as a whole it’s only a little better, imo, than the last couple.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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I understand the frustration,but
You have to recognize that the team actually looked like they had an offensively plan that they were to execute the last 3 games. what is frustrating is that they didn’t do this all year long.
Again, the team played better, yes, but even after this "nice" run of offense we still finished 136th in the country.
If we had played offense all season long the way we played the last 3, we still would not have had a good offense. It’s just when comparing it to our abortion of an offense for most of the season it looks incredible.
I’m not frustrated, I just don’t believe we improved. Our offense was worse than last year’s and would’ve ranked 147th last year.
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VCU played out of their minds
They were the better team last night
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They did play out of their minds
But I ’m not sure a one point win in OT provides them a mandate as the better team. They won, but if FSU had corrected some obvious errors in their game the Seminoles would be in the Elite Eight. On the bright side, this weekend and next are now free! When is the spring game again? :-)
by Dauntless12 on Mar 26, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
FSU had opportunties to win this game
but did not take advantage of them and made some costly errors down the stretch i.e. letting the clock run down and not calling a timeout in certain situations. Credit VCU, they had good shooting beyond the arc and they mixed up defenses to the point where we could not get into a rhythm. They also have solid coaches who teach both offense and defense well. Now I’m ready for spring football!!
by Matt Champion on Mar 26, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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I really didn't think they played all that well outside of making a bunch of 3's.
I felt we played very poorly last night and that the vast majority of our errors were of our own doing and not caused by VCU. We definitely did not play well enough to win and still nearly did.
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46% is a really strong number from 3
But I felt like a lot of the looks they got were comfortably open. In my uninformed opinion, I didn’t get the impression that the defense was all too great last night.
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They shot 46% from the three point line.
They averaged 36% for the season. They only shot over 40% 12 times this year, two of which were against Florida State and Georgetown. 68% of their games they shot 40% or less. 45% of their games they shot 35% or less. Only 8 teams all year have shot 40% or better than the three point line against the Noles. Florida State only won two of those games. Teams have only shot 37% or better from the three point line 10 times on the Noles this year. Florida State lost 8 of those 10 games.
VCU got hot at the right time.
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by TrueCubbie on Mar 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree they got hot at the right time.
Just disagreed with them playing out of their mind. They shot very well from 3 but I didn’t think they were all that great in any other aspect. We just happened to be worse.
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we helped too much
they had nothing driving inside, but we collapsed way too often anyway; kentucky did a much better job of not leaving defense outside to collapse on sullinger, and they are now in the elite 8; i was sure that ham would fix that at halftime, but it wasn’t enough
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Collapsing and leaving an open perimeter shooter has been a staple of Hamilton's defense, no matter how highly they are ranked.
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right;
12 three pointers says we should have altered our strategy
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I haven't seen an analysis of the winning inbounds play anywhere (besides norcal thinking 5 seconds were up... it appears the ref was in motion on the 5 while the pass was released)
you have to go slo-mo at 2:04 in this highlights video to see the last 1.5 seconds or so of the screening VCU set up: http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/collegebasketball/QUCcZ7dkx3NDMz2zyBKhUvWbA1xvn5XP
3 VCU guys were caught up in the paint with all 4 of our defenders (Dulkys on the line obstructing the pass), with a lone guy out by himself beyond the arc. Singleton bailed out to get on the outside guy, 2 of the VCU inside guys drifted away and pulled their defenders with them, letting Kitchen’s guy sneak through the lane in the newly opened space to get the open pass and shot look. It was a great play, though it might have taken 5.5 seconds.
It was definitely a nice slip play.
After watching it a couple more time, it took greater than 5 seconds, but the ref hadn’t signalled 5 yet and that is what matters, as that is what the inbounder would be paying attention to.
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by norcal_nole on Mar 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I timed it was 4.7 seconds. Just like VCUs 3s…AMAZING
by Mannieblunts on Mar 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
On the inbounds play
Why not put a big on the inbounder? Make it as hard as possible to get that ball in because he shouldn’t be able to see around you ala John Henson at UNC? Why put a guard on a guard inbounding? Seems like we semi enabled that pass to be easier then I felt it should be.
Probably because the time left on the clock.
After they inbounded then they would have had an instant mismatch on the inbounder.
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seems that a big at that point, right under the basket
would have had a much easier time at contesting the shot, though our bigs have missed that play many times. But then if the big contested it then Rodriguez would have just slept around to the outside and had an open jumpshot.
Lol how about dulkeys shot towards the end of the game that hit the top of the backboard....
Had to laugh when that one happened.
did anyone get a chance to re-watch that shot to see if it was partially blocked?
no sober person can miss that poorly…
Dulkys can achieve the impossible.
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I assumed it was blocked when it went that astray.
I was shocked to see VCU get the ball.
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I agree 100% with this statement
I watched it several times, but couldn’t tell, but man…that was a baaaad miss if not.
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The rotation
Kerr mentioned that Kitchen was tired with 5 mins left in the 1st half. Going into the 2nd he was clearly gassed. The starting 5 (-WHite +CS) played the last 9ish mins together..whY? they were clearly gassed and why our offense got bogged. I hate seeing CS ISOed but that was clearly our best play last night. JUST GIVE HIM THE BALL! Along w not posting up #12 these are questions Ill be wondering till next November. If we were 5% better we’d be a legit F4 team. O well its Ham Bone basketball.
Shout out to NORCAL good job this season bra and Xavier 8! rebounds in the 1st half, legitimately looking like you wanted to be there..FINALLY
yeah - if the announcers said it, then it must be so -
how many minutes did he play?
and more importantly, who is a better option at the 1? no one wanted to see loucks log more minutes, and trusting i miller in such a big spot isnt a great call either…
the real issue re: rotation was why t shannon got any minutes, much less as many as he did
o white, cs, even x man are much better options at the 4, and none was in foul trouble..
White was in foul trouble the whole game.
He played 8 minutes and had 4 fouls.
And I thought Kitchen looked gassed the whole 2nd half. He was leaning over onto his knees all the time and slowly walking back to the bench sucking wind during timeouts. He played 42 of 45 minutes; the most out of any player on either team.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
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According to a rumor on another board, players' parents were saying at the game that Jones was looking at the Stetson opening.
Enfield is one of FGCU’s head coaching candidates, as norcal mentioned the other day. That’s not him in the picture.
I would be quite excited to see some new blood on the staff and what they may be able to bring, especially if it entails a new “offensive coach”. I don’t care if we employ the same offense just as long as it’s executed better.
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also - did anyone get a chance to double-check the timing on the vcu inbounds play?
norcal said the ref reached 5 seconds
You could hear Singleton swat the shit out of that ball with a nice thud on tv, yet somehow, the official, who had close to this same angle, f'ed it up, among other calls last night.
Not blaming the officials, but they weren’t great.
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Definitely looked like a clean block while watching it live
There were definite moments in the game where I was screaming “Call it both ways, ref!!!”
This would make my day if true.
Apparently GT has offered UD coach Brian Gregory the job and the deal could happen any time. Fingers crossed, people. I have no idea why they wouldn’t offer Chris Mooney (Richmond), Shaka Smart or my grandma before Brian Gregory.
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/georgia-tech-source-gregory-offered-hoops-job-29587
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Shaka Smart is still playing with Grant's recruits no?
If I were a major program, I wouldn’t be sold on him after one run…
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I do believe every starter was there before Smart was there.
I’d definitely take Smart over Gregory though.
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Who would have thought that the 4th place coach in the CAA is rumored to be getting huge dollars?
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by norcal_nole on Mar 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he's been mentioned for a year now, but I agree.
To be fair, they were some pretty impressive and unexpected wins. And thank Jesus, GT hired Gregory. I will be shocked if they return to consistent top 6 in the ACC under him.
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It was a pretty good season boys.
I am proud of this team for making it this far, even though I still think they didn’t realize their full potential. We have got to get a competent offensive coach asap. Anyways, I am sure ready for football season baby!
Next year...
With the recruiting class that is going to Tally next year, should be very exciting. Thomas, Space, Whisnant, should be very interesting to see the depth they will have.
Depends if we have good point guard play.
I can’t see how it won’t take a step back from this year.
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same assessment as me
bigs get better, as does shooting to an extent (with the new recruits), but PG drops, so thats a net loss.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Our offense is already a clusterf*ck.
Can you imagine it without a point? haha…cries
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