Florida State Football Notes 03/28/11
by Bud Elliott on Mar 28, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
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FSU threw on the pads for the first time over the weekend. Jimbo Fisher wished the NCAA would let the team wear small shoulder pads from day one, to prevent injuries when diving. Unfortunately, the NCAA doesn't allow that because of the three-day "acclimation period." And because the team couldn't wear the pads, receiver Willie Haulstead separated his shoulder. It's a mild separation, and will not likely need surgery. He will be out at least two weeks, however, which is disappointing.
On an upbeat note, the practice went well per coach Fisher, who had criticized the team's effort in the Thursday session. With Chris Thompson continuing to be held out with tightness in his back, freshman Devonta Freeman took some reps with the first team at running back. Jared Haggins did so at the slot receiver position as well. Christian Green is still very much learning the receiver position. Receiver Rodney Smith is focusing on improving his technique, to gain cleaner releases off the line and run better routes. Coach Fisher really bragged on tight end Jabarris Little, which is the first time that's happened in Little's four years.
Bryan Stork may be emerging as the top center, with David Spurlock seeing more time at guard. It is still way, way early in the process, however, and nothing is final. The young tackles (both of FSU's starting tackles are out) are getting worked daily by FSU's defensive ends.
Fisher made a point to say that moving Lamarcus Joyner to safety has been "a great move." There will be some serious competition at the safety spots once everyone is healthy. Nick Moody may have an uphill battle to hold on to his spot.
Fisher also mentioned, for the first time that I can remember, that defensive tackle Moses McCray (who has battled issues with his knee, foot, elbow, back, and a heart condition) might not be back. He didn't indicate if he wouldn't be back for Spring, or back at all. McCray has never been able to do anything at FSU due to his injury issues. He's buried on the depth chart, and should be getting degree soon. The writing may be on the wall.
Antwane Greenlee landed at Samford after getting his degree from FSU. He loves the game and obviously wanted to start somewhere. A shame that his career was so derailed by injuries.
Opponents
Jarvis Jones, Oklahoma's right tackle, blew his patella tendon. Official word is he'll be back during Summer, or by the start of Fall camp. However, some say it could be longer. This is something to monitor. I think Oklahoma is one of the two elite teams this year (along with Alabama), and there are few questions surrounding the Sooners.
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"The young tackles (both of FSU's starting tackles are out) are getting worked daily by FSU's defensive ends."
Hopefully this means they’ll learn quickly and get better? Counting on the “playing against better competition” theory…
Doesn't help the DEs though
Process > Results
by TBfisherman on Mar 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
After watching one on one's last year
Our DE’s worked our starters pretty good too, so IMO this isn’t a big deal. If our backups were working our DE’s on the other hand…
Strongside -so probably left
TE on the right side of the offensive formation (common)
What are you glorifying with your life?
Bid posted some last week
Is it football season yet?
by NOLEcasterWX on Mar 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bud
Fn auto correct
Is it football season yet?
by NOLEcasterWX on Mar 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm hoping
It means that our DEs are gonna have a monster year! But, also it will give our backup tackles more experience, which will help if they are forced into action this year. I was hoping for better news about the receiver position. Will Jimbo be forced into more 2 TE sets this year or use an H back type receiver(O’Leary)?
by NoleySmokes on Mar 28, 2011 9:17 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
O'Leary
Really, Really, Really wish that kid was already enrolled at FSU and getting in on the early learning process like DF.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
Agree
but from what I hear, he’s working out hard so he’ll be bigger when he gets here plus he’s already about as polished technically as a HS TE there is. Hope he’s studying the playbook….
Championship!
This is the first I've heard..
but why isn’t O’Leary enrolled already?
A Jabaris Little sighting? Really? Has Coley injected him with some Cuban coffee?
At this point, he’s more famous for being admonished on the practice field than for any else.
“Where’s my tight end?!!! Jabaris!!!”
If I recall correctly, the kid was considered to be a pretty good athlete out of HS. What happened to him? Lack of work ethic? The mental side of the game?
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
gatornation - ungracious in victory, arrogant in defeat
I have nothing to say about him but bad things
so I’m happy Little may have turned a corner.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I suspect it's more of a case of Jimbo wanting Jabaris to keep his chin up and give it his all,
rather than an indication he’s now a dominating TE. It would be easy for him to get down and sorta’ give up in light of all the press about NOL and how mediocre our TE’s have been. But we really need Jabaris while O’Leary adjusts to the college game.
jmho.
Illegal alien.
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree completely here
Also think some of the Joyner hype is to keep him enthused after a position switch.
>>---l>
Didn't Joyner actually want to move to safety?
I’m under the impression he wanted to move for a shot at more PT
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
That kid would play DE if they asked him tp
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
by CornNole on Mar 28, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I was just of the thought that he himself wanted to move to S
Obviously easier for him to get PT that way with the logjam at CB. Really hope he wins a starting job though
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
My understanding is
that Joyner has always preferred safety and wanted to start out there his freshmen year but because of his size everyone, including the coaches wanted him at CB.
He does look different physically. Might be 255-260. Could be valuable in shot yardage.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Jimbo wasn't the only one praising him
I subscribe to the Nole 247 guys’ channel on YouTube and they had some vids from Saturday spliced together and there is a shot of Coley working with the TEs and then he compliments Little
by geoffissiffoeg on Mar 28, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
what channel is that good sir?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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thx
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
TE at 0:53, Little comment at 1:22
http://www.youtube.com/noleinsider#p/a/u/2/hb6yHYqWcvk
While watching Around the Horn...
and listening to Woody Paige’s endless dribble (along with unnessisary pauses inbetween words, much like Cristopher Walken), I heard the most amazing stat ever. According to Woody Paige, teams that take busses to games have a higher win percentage.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Mar 28, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
This is actually true.
The reason being is flights are stressful. I’ve been known to bet money based on that fact. I usually won if the teams were even.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-1)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Mar 28, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Stressful on the body, or just "stressful"?
As in dehydration? I could see that affecting players in games, though it seems most teams would know how to prep for this (drinking before/during/after flight). Are there other physical effects from flying?
It’s hard to imagine, though, guys not getting accustomed to flights after 3-4 of them. Personally, a four hour plane ride (including travel time to/from the airport) is much better than a 12 hour bus ride.
Mentally stressful also
Flying can be very unsettling. The seats are small and uncomfortable, esp for football players, because you know they’re not going first class. There’s also inconvenient departure times, layovers of uncertain duration, unfamiliar airport layouts, the inevitable weather delays, possible luggage losses, and no drinking allowed since it’s a school function. Thank God the ACC is strung out vertically, so there’s no jet lag.
It helps if you can sleep during the flight. I for one can’t sleep on a plane, so any players that are like me will also be tired after their flight.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Hit the nail on the head....
Jetlag, elevation & humidity or lack thereof are huge, huge factors in team sports over the course of a season.
Always felt that we’ve always had a tremendous advantages when we had depth & played against more northern teams in league in the 90s … We would rotate on defense & eventually fatigue/humidity would be a great asset for us in the 4th quarter.
Most of this may be true for other athletic teams but the football team always travels on charters.
Always nonstop. The only factor that affects them is weather. Mechanical issues are indiscriminate. No layovers or lost luggage and departure is at the AD/Coach’s discretion.
Ive gotta wonder though
does this have to do with the nature of the mode of transportation itself or the simple fact that away games at greater distances necessitate flights.
"Do the work, and the results will come." -Jordan
This is what I am wondering. Games that you can bus too are likely closer, so you can have more fans/supporters come and it is likely in the same time zone or only one over. Also is this just for games in which both teams travel?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
So, that explains the uF/UGA series over the past twenty years.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
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by HaveNoleOption on Mar 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
what, does Georgia fly and UF bus to Jacksonville? 5 hour vs 2 hour road time.
also, I question the stat as being a correlation vs causation issue. I wouldn’t expect LaMonroe or CharlesSouthern to bus to us, though I guess they could if they really wanted to save money, and I suspect the same is true for most cupcake teams making bank by traveling – this alone could boost the bus riders’ win percentage above the flight takers. Also, at least for the case of FSU, the only places that are a half day’s drive away (Clemson, GT, Miami, UF, occasional Jacksonville games) are also the only places that the Marching Chiefs and a large contingent of fans are typically expected to travel to…. in the case of FSU it’s general policy to fly everywhere but Gainesville (big reason- they get home quicker and get back in the film room on Sundays), but for other schools that choose to bus then those types of games have a much lower home field (dis)advantage.
Or is Woody Paige’s stat talking about all sports, not just football?
Of course, the spreading out of conferences like Big Ten and Big East are going to mean an even higher percentage of flights being taken.
And of course, we should all remember that Woody “Jag-WADS” Paige tends to talk out of his rear end about 87% of the time and is barely a better journalist than Mike Bianchi. Barely
Dude, you said this same exact quote on here in a different thread a few days ago.
It seems awfully out of place here considering it was in reference to teams playing in the NCAA Tournament. Kind of raising a red flag…
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Yeah I noticed the same thing.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
The only red flag is watching that terrible show. If they didnt have PTI following them
the viewership would be cut in half.
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Really, really, really hope Lamarcus wins a safety job
Not as optimistic that Brooks can win the other one, but that’d be great too. Nasty defensive backfield for the 2012 season if the young guys break through this year.
>>---l>
He might play safety on nickel and dime routinely
and possibly get most or all the snaps against pass oriented and spread time offenses.
Moody might be the nominal starter, but only play in standard sets, short yardage and against run oriented, grind em out teams.
Can't wait to see this nickel package a lot vs OU's passing attack
CB – XR
CB – Reid
CB – Harris/Commack
S – Joyner
S – Parks/Moody
LB – C. Jones
LB – Telvin
I know Commack is big for a CB, but does anyone know if he can tackle?
Championship!
I don't see commack at the slot;
he’s strictly a boundary guy.
Also, Bradham’s likely staying in even in nickel. I see the argument for Telvin, though, just don’t think they do it.
I don't see Commack anywhere.
One of those “I’ll believe it when I see it” deals.
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All I know is
That FSU has some playmakers in the secondary and they’re 2 deep…
by NoleySmokes on Mar 28, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Adjust
I understand what Jimbo is saying, and the acclimation period is probably pointless. On the other hand, those are currently the rules, and the idea is that coaches are supposed to adjust their practice so that there are no problems – it is specifically designed to force coaches to dial it down to lessen injuries/heat problems. If no shoulder pads means diving is really that risky, then perhaps there needs to be a “no diving” rule. Or just accept that injuries happen. They don’t wear shoulder pads in their summer “informal” workouts, either. I just can’t blame the NCAA on this one.
Are you talking about football
Or ballerina dancing? These kids need to be playing 100% as much as possible IMO. I hope CJF never says these kids can’t play there heart out. #practice like you play
Is it football season yet?
by NOLEcasterWX on Mar 28, 2011 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So if the pass isn't directly in the numbers the receivers shouldn't try to catch it?
They should just let it fall?
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Our defense will be a thing of beauty
It’s running-back that i’m worried about. I still think Jermaine Thomas is a better running-back than Chris Thompson. I hope we can find a good rotation for them since they are both very capable rushers, but with us getting phenominal punt returns by Greg Reid, I think our offense will flow well also. A National Championship this year isn’t that far out of reach. I think we are a better all around team than Oklahoma, N.C. State no longer has Wilson, Clemson lost Bowers, Florida (cough laughs), and the draft took Tyrod Taylor of Virgina Tech. We could easily be 12-0 going into the ACC Championship.
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Mar 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions
Not sure were better all around than OU
and I know their players know the their system backwards and forwards whereas we are still learning ours especially on D. With that said I think it’s almost a 50-50 game…Im more worried about our showing the following game.
by cerebralfish on Mar 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Bingo. Division, then conference, then national. One step at a time.
Im more worried about our showing the following game.
>>---l>
I love your s/n, but disagree with you on several points
Definitely don’t think Thomas is a better overall back than CT. Don’t think we’re better than OU. I think this is right at a 9-10 win team.
>>---l>
I think it would be better to say we're a 9-11 win team.
With a greater probability that we’ll be 9-3 than 11-1
Also, humans routinely misjudge multiplicative probabilities
We have three games that will probably average 50-50 at best, at Florida, at Clemson and Oklahoma. Also, out of at BC, Maryland, NC State, Miami and Virginia the best we can reasonably expect is to have four of those at 80-20 us (on average) and one of those teams having a terrible year and falling off into the Wake, Duke, FCS zone.
We are only 40% to win all four games where we stand 80%. Throw in three 50-50 games and we have a 5% chance to go 12-0. If we go into the season with a schedule like this with a team like ours, we can expect to go 12-0 into the championship game once every 20 years. Then, all we have to do is beat a VT and an Alabama to get an MNC.
definitely see what you're saying here
but IMO college football is way too dynamic to throw these figures together. don’t get me wrong, I love the analysis, I just don’t think this works in the real world if you consider all the variables.
Explain dynamic in this context
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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as in not constant
…probably not the best choice of words. what I mean to say is that there are far too many factors to consider. players graduating/leaving early for the draft, coaching changes, injuries. A team can go from Nat’l Champ to playing Navy in a bowl game within a year…possibly I focused too much on the “once every 20 years” portion, but I just don’t feel like you can simplify it to a science.
Vegas does well with it.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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People don't consider this because they're
thinking in point spreads.
If you convert to the money line, an 80-20 game is around 10 points (-450 to plus 325). That means that for the at BC, Maryland, NC State, Miami and Virginia games, we average around being around a 10 point favorite for the best 4 out of 5 of those teams and one of them drops way off to minimal probability of winning land. For Oklahoma, at Clemson and at Florida the average spread is 0.
These assumptions are extremely optimistic. And even if all of it turns out to be true—including virtually zero probability of losing 5 games—you get an over-under of 9.5 with under maybe a 120-130 favorite.
My guess is that Vegas will view this analysis as over-optimistic and set a regular season over-under at 9 with over a slight favorite.
by gambelero3 on Mar 28, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Bingo. Rec’d
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Is there a good place for me to learn what you are talking about?
Not that I expect to turn into a gambling officianado, but I would like to be more proficient.
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Lets hope you don’t turn into any type of officianado, because that sounds dangerous. :) I’d also like to know if there is a link that could help us lay peeps out.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
A great place to learn more about this stuff is a place called
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by TLHWG on Mar 29, 2011 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with the premise
But I think the model breaks down when a schedule doesn’t include several of the 50-50 type games. (this is just my personal opininion). If we were 80% to win every conference game, I would expect 7-8 wins, not 6-7.
I understand the math doesn’t equate for my expectations, but this is why we complain about weak schedules for teams like Boise and TCU.
Why do you believe that it breaks down?
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Not really sure, just an intuition
Think that teams that don’t have to get up for the big games have less of a chance of being down for other games, get to rest their players more, etc.
I’m sure that you could account for all that in your percentages, but I would say that would be extremely complex.
We're talking about football in March.
We aren’t willing to be complex in are estimates? That’s the fun of it. You have like 4 months to decide where you want to set your percentages.
I think you factor this in as well
We lose percentage points against Clemson simply because it comes the week after playing Oklahoma. They would also, well in the national media’s eyes, lose points by playing Auburn before us as well (guess Auburn’s chances next year are not looking so bright as last year), so you gotta balance it out on your own besides just saying “our talent and coaching is 6 points greater than Clemson’s, so we are 70% to win”
Nearly 50% of Thomas' rushes last year went for negative yardage.
He only had 2 less negative yard rushes than Jones and Thompson combined and those two had 135 more carries.
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link?
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2010-2011/teamcume.html
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by tricknole on Mar 28, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
86 rushes, 38 loss for Thomas. 134 and 26 for Thompson. 87 and 14 for Jones.
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Incredible
Did not know that at all. I knew about 1/4 of CT’s carries went for 0 or negative yardage prior to the bowl game. Funny with rest he carried the pill 25 times against an SEC front with hardly any negative or 0 yard carries, but I digress. Anyway, I didn’t know JT sucked THAT much last year
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the running is close enough
That I would play the better pass blocker. Our backs, save Pryor, need to pick it up a bit this year.
So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.
Nah, I completely misread those numbers. Not sure what the real ones are.
But wasn’t it halfway through the year before Jones had a rush for a loss? I just remember yelling at Thomas all year to quit dancing in the hole. He had never done it before and then all of a sudden it plagued him last year.
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What I'd like to know is why he regressed.
Is Gran telling him to do some things he can’t/won’t do? Like run with “crud in him”? In the end it doesn’t really matter why, I guess. If he won’t do it the way coach says…he shouldn’t be out there.
Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 28, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it's Gran at all
He was in the doghouse in 2009 for awhile as well. Think he only had 50 total carries prior to the N.Carolina game. Bud contended that JT doesn’t want to put in the work. If his listed spring weight (187 pounds) is indeed correct that may provide a bit of evidence of that. Regardless, I noticed a marked difference in the way he ran as Jr as opposed to his freshman season when he was really good
by westcoastnolefan on Mar 28, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm. Perhaps it's competition and laziness.
He ended 2009 on a really good stretch, something like 4 of 5 over 100 yards. IIRC, that’s when Ty was really struggling with his weight and CT was hurt. Maybe he just wants the job handed to him and does fine in that case. There were some times early in 2010 when CT was banged up and Ty was struggling….he had a few good games then too. All speculation here, of course.
Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 28, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
More speculation…His breakout frosh campaign also could have led to an overinflated ego and the expectation of him being given the job, like you talked about. And with all of the talent that we have started to recruit with Jimbo as HC has made that extremely unlikely and he hasn’t/won’t put the effort forth to try and win it back.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
* waiting *
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It was corrected earlier.
"A prediction, in a field where prediction is not possible, is no more than a prejudice."
- Malcolm Gladwell
"The reason you can't play defense is because you can't."
- Jerry West
by Jamil Dawson on Mar 29, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
THESE ARE YARDS NOT CARRIES DUMMY!
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
What about participation stats?
it would be interesting to do some efficiency stuff, particularly for the defense.
I tried to go back and do that for 2010.
Couldn’t get the game replays/data. I’ll make that available to everybody starting with week one this year.
Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 29, 2011 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha. Totally ignore that.
F’ed it up.
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Thought so.
But Trick, this is an excellent opportunity for you to contribute something to the front page. It doesn’t take technical knowledge, just some determination. You’re on the site a lot, so I know you’d enjoy doing this.
Go through the play-by-plays, and count the number of rush plays by each back that netted 0 or fewer yards. Then report back and we’ll collaborate on something.
Heck, you might even get into a book.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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So the book is gonna happen?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Feel confident we can reach a deal.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I believe it will be a season prospectus type of thing. A lot of sbnation/cfb fan sites do them I believe.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Can someone point me to the best place to locate “play-by-plays” for all of last years games? I feel like it should be easy to find but i am having trouble locating it.
I doubt the accuracy of the stats on ESPN.com.
I watched a ton of games using their gametracker (which is also how they generally compile game stats) and they would glitch it all to hell and back. So-and-so rushes for a -14 yard gain, first down. Its all effed up.
"This year I am focused on scoring. I want to score, along with getting good field position for the offense. I am going to try and score a little bit this year. I kinda miss the endzone a little bit." -G5
Trying to follow that thing is painful.
Nothing happens for 2-3 minutes then 7 plays pop up at once.
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by Jamil Dawson on Mar 29, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
If you've already started this I won't bother.
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While my numbers were wrong, looking at just the first 5 games, Thomas definitely had more negative rushes.
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It'd be interesting to see how Lonnie Pryor factors into rushes for loss/gain.
He and Chris Thompson were in a two back/I-formation set many, many times whereas Jermaine Thomas was the lone back more often. Can’t remember as many of Ty Jones’ sets, but I thought he was lone back more often than not also.
Damn, you beat me to that.
I think it’s a huge factor personally…Lonnie is very, very good at what he does.
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I think he was referring to Chris or Jermaine having Lonnie blocking for them, not Lonnies negative rushes.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
With all the Q's around OU's secondary and now OL, it's telling that they are still the odds-on preseason favorite to win the NC
That says much about their level of recruiting, development and coaching.
Which begs the question: What’s up with Bama? Not that one would expect them to threaten the NC every year, but they do have The Process in place, right? Shouldn’t they be just reloading if The Process is superior to every other approach?
Related question: Shoudln’t The Process work even better at FSU, given our natural recruiting base and the accomplishments of Jimbo’s staff as elite recruitiers?
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I don’t think there is much question on the oline, with the exception of Jones. There were questions last year and in 2009 about the line, and they were much deserved. This year that line looks to be in good shape, then the Jones thing happened. But Jones is still just one guy.
Which begs the question: What’s up with Bama? Not that one would expect them to threaten the NC every year, but they do have The Process in place, right? Shouldn’t they be just reloading if The Process is superior to every other approach?
Bama is thought by most I respect to be the #1 team, but their schedule is much tougher than OU’s, this they are not the favorite. You won’t find a better roster in the country. They are re-loading, not re-building.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Bama really and truly should be the No.1 team in the nation
preseason-wise. 9 starters returning on defense, almost all of the offensive line returns, and they get most of their skill postion players back with the exception of Ingram and Jones. Ingram won’t be too much of a loss, but I think Bama’s biggest questions are who is the new starter at QB and who steps up and becomes the No.1 receiver?
by Matt Champion on Mar 28, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They are my number one, and will debut as such tonight on the InTheBleachers Podcast with Michael Felder.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Mar 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What else are you planning on talking about
when you go on in the Bleachers?
by Matt Champion on Mar 28, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Our top 25s
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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You going with purely a power poll at this point?
Not a prediction of where teams will end up?
Should be interesting to see where you put FSU.
Yes, power poll now.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Yep
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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their roster is just so far and away better than almost everyone, and their player development is great too
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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What do you expect to see outta Mccarron?
McElroy ver 2.0?
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by CornNole on Mar 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, but 'Bammer is re-loading at Quarterback.
Landry Jones is a returning QB with a lot of experience. Advantage OU.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
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by HaveNoleOption on Mar 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Other positions, advantage bama
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Wasn't McElroy a first year starter
when they won their NC?
Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 28, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes McElroy was a first-year
starter during Bama’s championship run. I don’t see McCarron starting though. Phillip Sims is a more physically talented QB in my opinion.
by Matt Champion on Mar 28, 2011 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. I don't think McCarron is a lock either.
If Sims and McCarron know the O equally and are equal in the mental aspect, Sims wins the job.
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by Jamil Dawson on Mar 29, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
In 2010 I remember there were questions about OUs secondary, i.e., experience,
and they schooled our WRs… granted, we only really had 2 experienced WRs (Reed & Easterling); before 2010 Haulstead & Smith combined for 2 receptions. So things are different for FSU in 2011, but the way that OU recruits I’m choosing not to believe the claims that OU has problems in their secondary.
Championship!
In Reed and Easterling's case,
“experienced” =/= “good.” We should see a significant upgrade at WR, and can reasonably hope OU won’t have everything sorted out in the secondary by their game #2.
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by PeachTreeNole on Mar 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing that I see no one talking about (yet)
is the Bob Stoops defensive familiarity advantage argument from last season.
How much of an advantage does OU have this season, since it is still a relatively new defensive scheme to our players. How much more (I know it’s more, but how much) of the system will be in place compared to last season?
If our defense was top 50 last year, what are the expectations for this year? Top 30? Top 20?
I don’t see anyone talking about it, or not talking about it, really.
I think this D should be one of the best 25. I don’t get into this “top” stuff because total yards, not adjusted for schedule strength, etc., is a horrible way to look at things.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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another thing no one is talking about is OU's loss of Kevin Wilson
typically a 1st year OC has more of a negative effect on a team than a 1st year DC. That said, Heupel was promoted from within and so will probably result is less significant of a transition for OUs O. Still FSU will be his first big test when he’ll match wits with a DC from a top 10 program.
Championship!
Here's hoping Heupel is the second coming of Bobo.
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by PeachTreeNole on Mar 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I never heard this.
But you’ll remember back to when we lost Mark Richt to Georgia. The offense didn’t immediately drop off under Jeff Bowden. But it did start to slump.
Sadly, OU’s passing game would have to drop off by quite a bit for it to really matter. Their 2010 passing YPG average could’ve dropped by 1/3rd and they’d still be in the top half of college football, statistically.
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The key will be the ability to make adjustments on the fly to surprises in the D scheme.
And we can bet Mark will have a few for this game. That ability grows with experience. Heupel lacks it, so that’s one advantage we have.
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by PeachTreeNole on Mar 29, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to look at one game sample sets,
but our defense was much more multiple in the bowl game after the extra practices, which means (at least to me) that the players were understanding the basics enough by that point to implement some new stuff. Still new to our players, but their are plenty of examples of defenses going from bad to very good in two years.
Absolutely. I don’t expect to beat OU, but I do expect to be closer to OU.
People forget just how big the gap was. It wasn’t 47-17. It was 41-7. That’s when OU pulled its starters. They were more than doubling FSU in yards-per-play (7.6 to 3.7). And it wasn’t because of turnovers (OU was only +1 in turnovers).
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I don't think the talent gap or coaching gap was nearly a 34 point difference, though.
We were in our 1st game against a real opponent, with a good bit of young and inexperienced defensive personnel, implementing an entirely new system in one of the hardest places to win in all of college football.
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No, but the relative experience gap may have been.
I think back to that game alot, and realize just how completely boned we were on defense. IMO no defensive roster in the country could’ve beaten OU under our circumstances. Boob knew exactly how much Marky Mark could teach his funky bunch in the finite amount of time he had.
It was always gonna be ugly. I was a little disappointed in the offense, because I think we were much better than what we showed that day, but we had no chance to stop them. Stop the bubble screen, and Demarco Murray starts breaking Kendall Smith’s ankles…at least we made Landry throw the ball.
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I was incredibly disappointed with our offense.
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CP7's
first or second offensive drive where he capped it off with a great run was beautiful…. then we laid goose eggs after that
First.
We moved it at will on the first drive and then had what seemed like 5 total yards the rest of the game.
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Yeah I was expecting a shootout, and the first drive pumped me up, and then like you said we gained about 5 yards after that. Above when you mention being disappointed by the offense, are you referring to just that game or the season overall?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Both, but there were some excuses as for why it sputtered throughout the rest of the season. Not so for the OU game.
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I too was expecting much more from our offense, but wasn’t the OU game the first time Ponder got injured this year?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
If I remember correctly that first drive was full of broken plays
Not real indictitive of a great offense.
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by PalmAireNole on Mar 29, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
check out the fanshot posted about CP7's draft status and our "simplistic" offense
OU defensive player on record that after the first drive OU clicked in and read Fisher and Ponder’s play calls like a trashy romance novel.
Who's that on though?
I put it on our lack of experience (and prior years’ coaching) at receiver.
Agreed, given that they probably pattern read the heck out of them.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Jimbo can get predictable
Those WR screens made me cringe 75% of the time last season. Many should have been pick6
Like the one Haulstead messed up against OU?
Not all WR screens are the same. To which are you referring? If it’s the bubbles, there’s a reason they aren’t picked off. They are a check, not a called play. We check it based on alignment.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I remember punting on a fourth and 2 or 3 at their 41 yard line
when we were down 31 to 7 or so.
I agree, I think Bama will be great this year.
They will have a tough time with their schedule though.
Slightly off topic from Bama, but...
Question for Bud (or anyone else), what do you expect from Oregon this year? I agree Bama should be the favorite talent-wise, but their schedule is unforgiving.
Could be a repeat of 2010 IMO
Oregon has a good thing going IMO. Really dont see any P10 with the horses to slow them down.
Very likely they could slip in the rivaly game or against Zona, but I wouldnt be shocked if they survive again, only to get thrashed when they leave their neighborhood.
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by CornNole on Mar 28, 2011 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They held their own against Auburn I thought.
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My thoughts too
They did very well against AU.
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IMO Auburn wasn't far and away the #1 team
they had 6 wins by 8 points or less in ’10.
Championship!
but they never lost with a schedule that would have given Boise/TCU 2-4
far and away
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If Oregon gets past LSU 9/3
they get USC at home so they do have a good chance to repeat.
Championship!
Haulstead
Really looking forward to seeing what the wideouts can accomplish this year. Very glad it was only a mild (likely 1st degree) separation, as there is a lot of variance from 1st to 3rd degree. [Very concise explanation of shoulder separations in the “discussion” section here]
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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is the S&C a reason for a lot of the injuries
I know some of them happen on the field but i also know harder work in the weight room the more injuries will! Happen just a thought
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
Injuries are something that is getting the attention of our staff
See question 4 in THIS OS interview with Coley.
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