Florida State Seminoles Football Spring Preview 2011: Quarterback
This is the first in a multi-part series covering Florida State Spring football practice. Today we'll be looking at the quarterback position.
Quarterback is the most important position on the field and Florida State has a history of having great quarterbacks. FSU head coach Jimbo Fisher is regarded as one of the top QB coaches in the country. He continues to mentor the quarterbacks as head coach, but is also joined by quarterback coach and stud recruiter Dameyune Craig. Craig played for Fisher at Auburn before coaching at South Alabama. He knows Coach Fisher's system. He also worked under Nick Saban for a year during Saban's brief stint with the Miami Dolphins. His bio is here. It is difficult to judge how well Craig did in his first season, because FSU again had excellent quarterback play. Was that because of Fisher? Craig? A combination thereof? I don't know, but if the QB play is again very good FSU fans won't care who is really schooling the QBs.
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At 6'4" and 230 pounds, Manuel is one of the most physically-impressive quarterbacks in the country. But the Virginia native has also displayed good leadership qualities during off-season workouts. Expectations are sky-high in Tallahassee and will fall squarely on Manuel's shoulders. |
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The 'Noles threw 396 passes last year. 298 of those came from Christian Ponder, who is likely to be drafted in the late first or second round. Replacing a highly-drafted quarterback is a monumental task. Ponder had a tremendous grasp of the offense and was one of the more mentally gifted quarterbacks in recent college memory.
Trying to replace him will be red-shirt junior EJ Manuel (no spaces in EJ, per his request). Manuel was one of the top QB recruits in the country in 2008, and was Jimbo Fisher's first major recruiting win for the 'Noles. The Virginia Beach native is 6'4" 230 and extremely athletic.
Last year for Spring I wrote:
Backup EJ Manuel is out for Spring after recently undergoing shoulder surgery to repair a very partial tear in his rotator cuff. The Gator Bowl MVP's procedure was done as a precautionary measure to clean out some debris. Manuel should be back for summer passing drills. Due to some bad luck last year (compound finger fracture), Manuel has not yet gone through a Spring practice.
And despite not having gone through a Spring practice, Manuel played well in relief of Christian Ponder. Manuel too battled some injuries suffered in practice and lifting during the season, inspiring some rumblings as to his availability for the Boston College game in which he was likely needed to relieve Christian Ponder.
Manuel played pretty well last season, including a better game in a loss against Virginia Tech than the win over Clemson.
He battled issues with his motion through his first two seasons, but looked much better throwing the football last year. His wrist and shoulder are better aligned, and his accuracy has improved.
Some will trumpet the idea that Manuel is unproven because he was Ponder's backup. I don't buy that in this case because Manuel's experience didn't come in the traditional style of a backup at a major program. No, Manuel has rarely had the opportunity for mop-up duty. Of his 200 career passes, only 25 came in a relief appearance during which the outcome was already decided. The other 175 passes came as a starter or in relief of a contested game.
As the chart shows, Manuel improved considerably in 2010, specifically in meaningful games. Yes, a 2-3 TD-INT ratio is concerning. But if Manuel throws for 8.3/Attempt, FSU fans would happily take a TD/INT ratio of less than one.
So to call Manuel unproven would be inaccurate. No, he is not a battle-tested starter. But he does have significant experience in meaningful games. And so far, he has had ice in his veins in close fourth quarters, going 17-22 for 145 yards and running 13 times for 98 yards.
What then, does Manuel need to work on this Spring?
Reps, reps, and more reps. Despite Fisher's claims that Manuel had the entire playbook available to him, I sure didn't see it. Now as the starter, Fisher will tailor the playbook to his specific talents. That likely means more option than FSU ran with Christian Ponder. Manuel does an excellent job with the option. It also likely means more play-action. What else EJ wants to run is anyone's guess. And while he is excellent on designed runs, he will need to acquire better pocket presence. That will only come with more reps. He'll finally have the chance this Spring.
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| Redshirt freshman quarterback Will Secord |
Last year on Secord I wrote:
That leaves redshirt-freshman Will Secord as the backup quarterback. Secord is really a bit more than the backup for Spring, however, because of Ponder's limited work load. In case you don't follow recruiting, you should freshen up on the 6'3" 210 lb quarterback from Texas. Here's some film. He was rated a three-star prospect by all of the services. Rivals had him as the #32 pro-style QB, Scout as the #57 QB, and ESPN: #60 QB. Secord was heavily courted by Bobby Petrino of Arkansas. A prospect wanted by both Jimbo Fisher and Bobby Petrino has to be pretty good. He's also the son of a coach. Secord spent his redshirt year learning the offense and refining his footwork.
Secord didn't do anything on the game field last year. And rumor has it he didn't do anything on the practice field to distance himself from the then #4 QB Clint Trickett (Below). Quarterback is not a position where major college football teams carry a backup senior to the starter. If Secord is not ahead of Trickett after the Spring, we could see him transfer. At least, one would hope he has the competitive spirit and love for the game that he would want to play out his college career by, you know, actually playing.
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| Freshman quarterback Clint Tricket |
Speaking of Trickett, last year I wrote:
The third quarterback (who is really like the #2 given the limited workload Ponder will receive) is freshman Clint Trickett. He is the son of Florida State Offensive Line Coach Rick Trickett. His brother Travis is on staff as well. Clint was probably the top quarterback prospect in the state this past year. He enrolled in January and is eligible to compete in Spring. Normally, I wouldn't expect a true freshman quarterback to do much in Spring, but Trickett has been around this team for almost 4 years and already has a good working knowledge of the offense. It will be very interesting to see how he reacts to the speed of the college game.
Everyone says that Trickett looked pretty good in practice last season, and barring injury, he'll get his shot to start as a 4th-year junior in 2013. For now, he has the backup job to win. Perhaps more importantly, he has to get bigger and stronger. A "hard gainer" Trickett has been unable to add much mass. He still has time to do so, but the strength staff must figure out a way to bulk him up a bit. 6'2" 200 is fine for a smart, game-manager type. 6'2" 175 is not.
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He's still very small.
Pics from last week don’t really look much different.
I agree with Truenole
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
Nothing against him, but he needs 25lbs like bud said.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
He's different than Jacory Harris
Both are naturally skinny hard gainers, but I seriously doubt that Harris has the same work ethic as Trickett. Harris’s body language screams of being a self indulgent slacker. I seriously doubt that Trickett is coasting with his strength and conditioning work considering all of the internal pressures within the program.
Trickett will never be a big guy, but he can drastically improve his strength and by the time he will be needed the OLine is going to be pretty darn good.
No....because Trickett won't be completing multiple passes to the opposition in crunch time.
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Possible. I mean remember, his dad is a Small dude too
It’s just harder for some guys to gain weight than others.
Oh my goodness, like, I know, right?
I just look at nougat, and it goes straight to my thighs!
i was in the same boat, and its the high metabolism
i ate like a lineman and couldnt gain much, if anything. protein shakes and PB&J didnt help either. it will slow down in time, but for now we better hope we have some creative thinkers in the nutrition program, because its frustrating for them and him to work out and eat right and not gain any weight.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Drastically increase his protein and EFA's.
Limit shakes to no more then 2/day. Focus on whole foods.
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I've got the same problem.
Always have. I work out 3x a week, including power and strength training with a PT, and I’m still 6’1" 174 lbs soaking wet. In high school I worked out more and weighed even less. Very low body fat right now, but very frustrating not being able to add significant muscle. After 30 that becomes increasingly difficult to do.
Illegal alien.
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 9, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
Hard gainers have to figure out their basal metabolic rate
and then overeat by at least 1500 calories every day.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Holy crap
Literally, you’d have to live on the john with a diet like that
You're right in that you have to watch our for protein indigestion
But it can be done.
What are you glorifying with your life?
worse than that-- kidney stones.
eating that much protein is not healthy. But I am doing shakes and increasing protein nonetheless.
Illegal alien.
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 9, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
I used to have the same problem
In college I would eat 4-5 meals a day, the last one would be 3 PB&J right before I went to bed. I was eating ~4500 calories a day and slooooowly was able to put on weight throughout my 4 years. I went from 6’3 165 to 6’4 215. If I was able to do it, Tricket will find away to put on some lbs.
4-5 meals needs to become 6-7, and protein needs to be the base of every single on of them.
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eating like that will make you HATE eating
i love good food, and i can always eat. but to stuff my face 6-7 times a day would make me sick to my stomach. do you mean to spread the food out or eat the same size, just 6-7 times?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Why do you think I turned myself into a chef??
Take your total food intake & divide it. It’s not 6-7 1,000-calorie meals…
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What are the benefits?? Can it be done by proxy or are you in Orlando?
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Tampa
But I was only kidding. You seem knowledgeable enough, but I enjoy playing soccer too much for such an arrangement to work out
I'll do it in return for a paid gig at the Tampa Improv or Side Splitters!!
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There is no scientific evidence to suggest that eating alot of protein is bad for anyone with healthy kidneys.
Your kidneys evolved specifically to deal with a high protein, high fat, low carbohydrate diet. We our designed to eat the meat we kill and whatever fruit, vegetables, nuts, and seeds we can forage. We are NOT designed to handle large loads of carbohydrate on a regular basis. The ensuing insulin spikes create a whole cascade of metabolic problems.
This whole notion should be patently obvious to anyone who thinks about it. Look at the way America eats (grains are the basis of the USDA food pyramid) and look at America’s waistline. 68% of Americans have a BMI that makes them either overweight or obese. And we’re getting fatter everday. Obviously somethings not working. Could it be the we have nutritional advice that stems more from lobbying than from science?
The whole too much protein and fat is bad for you idea is nothing more than propaganda from big agriculture and big pharma to keep them rich. There’s precious little scientific evidence to support their position and a lot of evidence that refutes it.
End rant. Time to eat some bbq.
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- Will Hill. Paragon of FU culture.
What do you think the food pyramid is?
It damned sure isn’t based on scientific evidence. The agriculture industry spends millions of dollars lobbying the USDA every time a new food pyramid comes out. That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s fact. They have as much say in constructing that thing, if not more, than anybody.
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There's too much meat on the USDA food Pyramid as well.
It’s not like it’s a conspiracy the beef, and chicken lobbies are in Washington for a reason. When was the last time you heard of the Broccoli lobby. We pay people to grow corn and soy yet we don’t give people anything to grow spinach and broccoli no wonder we’re a fat society. It’s really all about subsidies.
The Funk Phenomenon.
we shouldnt subsidize anything
that takes care of the corruption as related to farming and government. why waste money lobbying for more money, when you know the only way you will get more is to sell a good product?
incidentally, not paying people to grow (or not grow) anything also messes with the price and quality.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Don't forget the fact that subsidies inflate the price of crops,
thereby making it harder for truly poor people in other countries to afford food. Subsidies actually lead to an increase in world hunger.
i know
i didnt mean to include that first “not” in the last sentence, thats what happens when your hands try to keep up with your brain.
dont forget, using corn to make ethanol uses land that could be used for food is being used for fuel, which uses an already finite resource (good farm land) to try to solve the problem of another finite resource (oil).
but yes, the government actually pays people to NOT GROW some things, which compounds the problem of artificially expensive food by limiting the supply.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Corruption in Farming?
Have you ever set foot on a farm in your life? Really, ever?
by Noles Fan in ND on Mar 9, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
my grandparents live on a farm
so yes, i would say that i have been there a few times. but if you dont think the big farming companies lobby for added benefits, which leads to corrupt decisions being made, then you live under a rock.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Can you post a link to the evidence
that shows that the human kidney was previously different than it is now and subsequently evolved to handle higher protein loads?
by IndyFSUnole on Mar 9, 2011 2:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's not what I said.
It has always been able to handle high protein loads and it hasn’t changed.
If you want evidence, I have some reading for you.
The first link is a massive review of the evidence for high protein diets causing renal damage. It states that there’s far more evidence to the contrary than there is in support of it. The second link is another review of evidence that concludes that there is no evidence that protein intake negatively influences renal health in otherwise healthy, active people.
>http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45#B4
>http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25
There’s more if you want it.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist of any kind. Nutritional “science” is terrible, a mixture of bad science, bias, and politics. You have to work hard to sift the actual evidence from the garbage designed by people trying to sell you chemically engineered food products and the drugs that will treat the problems created by them.
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Fair enough.
Perhaps it wasn’t what you meant, but you did lead off with “Your kidneys evolved…” right? Can you see how that might cause someone to want to know exactly what is known about the evolution of the human kidney?
by IndyFSUnole on Mar 9, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I took it to mean that our distant ancestors ate high protein, high fat diets, and have only recently become heavily reliant on grains. However, I can see the confusion in the wording.
by TonySopraNOLE on Mar 9, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea if I agree with you or not
But mad props for backing up your point. Its much better to get a list of links then to hear “because I said so”.
You guys should rent the movie "Food Inc."
We have come to rely on about 5 companies in the US that ARE “big agriculture”- meat & grains. A sad state of affairs.
That’s why we try to eat local and organic. It ain’t cheap, but at what price health?
Illegal alien.
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 9, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
let me quickly add- I'm not complaining about "big corporations" nor do i think they're inherently somehow evil.
I believe in the free market economy, and I’m politically conservative. What I don’t believe in is what has happened to the American diet over the last few decades- most of our food is now heavily processed by the same 5 companies. We’re not eating the same diet we had 50 years ago; it’s not the natural foodstuffs we were designed to eat (ever notice, for example, how almost everything you buy in a box or can or package has “high fructose corn syrup” or some other corn derivative as a primary ingredient???). The comment about the expanding American waistline is right on. Most kids in my generation were much, much thinner, and active, and clothing sizes reflected that. Now most sizes are bigger around the middle than they are long, which is not the case when I was growing up. It’s hard for me, over 50, to find pants to fit, even in the young men’s section now. 32 waist and 34 lenght used to be very common!
Illegal alien.
by PeachTreeNole on Mar 9, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
hate to break it to you there big guy
but the whole image of organic food is a scam. you can watch Penn & Teller’s show about it (note: this is part 1, there is a part 2 but i cant find a part 3) if you want some more entertainment value, but some people would call that biased. it does incorporate both sides, but the agenda is clearly to prove that its all a scam, so take it with a grain of salt and only trust the opinions of both sides as opposed to the commentary if you think its biased.
but if you want something without an agenda, try WebMD instead.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Lets face it
If your going to get technical DON’T refer to the BMI, because we all know it’s a joke. J/k …. but seriously.
If you're worried, eat 200 grams of protein/day + supplement with another 100 in the form of BCAA powder.
Expensive, but effective. I’m about to start the same with different numbers.
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This. You have to overeat to gain weight, good OR bad. Most people overeat the bad way...
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Want to get bigger? Make your way onto Fisher's roster....
You’ll immediately get to 6’3" 210 lbs.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dr. Ken just made JaMarcus Russel's day
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
The Nike check pin is interesting...
"We have to start over. We have to develop our own identity, our own chemistry, our own unity, our own vision of where we want to go...This is just the beginning. Because remember one thing – I tell you all the time: Boys do what they want to do. Champions do what they’ve got to do. " CJF
drink a gallon of 2% milk a day
he’ll bulk up in no time
would not recommend the milk challenge...
Have never personally tried because I hate milk and am not that stupid. It literally cannot be done by the average person. Plus, even if you should succeed, your reward would involve….hmmm, trying to put this nicely…..lets just say frequent visits to the toilet involving both ends of the body. Dormmates tried this (OMFG 10 years ago), both good sized guys, neither finished though they were close. Neither would wish the aftermath upon their worst enemy.
habitual line stepper
Probably should have stated that I was kidding
I can’t imagine how awful that would be
Whole milk works even better.
Whole chocolate milk is where its at if weight gain is you’re primary concern. Lots of fat, lots of sugar.
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I was just about to post that. He needs the extra fat in whole milk.
Chocolate milk mixed with whey isolate for his post-workout shake.
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I dunno
I remember coming across pictures of him on facebook through a friend one time (can’t remember if it was his profile or someone else’s – doesn’t matter). I was surprised, he looked way bigger than I thought he would, since I had seen the above picture before. I think he’s put on some muscle.
"Yes, we won a national championship." — Fisher on if he had ever had a top ranked class before.
The pic from last week looks much worse than his HS pic.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
Where's
the picture from last week?
"Yes, we won a national championship." — Fisher on if he had ever had a top ranked class before.
I hope I'm not violating any kind of terms by posting this pic.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of the death." - Nick Saban
ALSO
a great one. damn this was a great thread.
I think i see the problem.
Hard to put on weight when you’re hooked on Meth. I bet he’s fast though.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Mar 9, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Just a little Martin lawrence stand up reference...all in fun
I think the problem with Trick is that the QB’s hes standing next to are rather large individuals. Our QB drills look like a bunch of tight ends that can throw?
Ahh yes, the Martin v. Seinfeld discussion begins...
More of Seinfeld man, so maybe that’s why Marin went over my head. Liked both shows though
I saw Sexton yesterday.
He looks like hell. Fat, bad skin, old ketchup(?) running down his chin. Needed a bath. Bummed a cigarette from some guy in the parking lot. I wanted to take a picture to post here, but couldn’t really do it stealthily. Dude has issues.
"Taking a sh*t in the airport"
- Will Hill. Paragon of FU culture.
I knew him fairly well in his high school days. What happened later was not a surprise.
Disappointing, but not surprising.
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IMO
he should have been kicked off the team for this. IIRC he was our starter at the time this was taken. I don’t care if you are dating a chick that goes to UF.
don't think its that big of a deal.
Solider: "Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for?"
Captain Zapp Brannigan: "Don't ask me. You're the ones who are going to be dying."
I'm usually that guy that doesnt things are a big deal either...
But that is…infuriating.
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by CornNole on Mar 9, 2011 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm usually not that guy either, but I agree
That’s like getting married then going on your honeymoon with some chick your wife hates.
by TonySopraNOLE on Mar 9, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
It is infuriating.
There’s no excuse for that, absolutely no excuse.
by seminoleballer on Mar 10, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yes there is-I call brain damage.
Both “Lyme Disease” and heavy drug use are known to cause brain damage.
Either one works, so take your pick.
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Where and when was this taken?? (It appear to be Ben Hill Griffin but why was he there without the ret of the team?)
2004 Season
His girlfriend was a student at UF at the time and he was visiting her for the weekend. That is Ben Hill Griffin, South Endzone
Yeah, I know. Just making a jest.
But if you didn’t know any better……..
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Someone make Clint 4 of those sandwiches
we have chicks on here right?
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
You don't think they're capable?
That’s pretty sexist.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
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Me neither. >: )
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Isn't Walla a place in Washington?
Or do you mean voila?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
look whos the grammar police now...
theres no malice intended when you do it, but its so hard not to say something, isnt it?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Haha. Speaking of which,
did you have a bad childhood experience involving apostrophes?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 10, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
haha, i actually write very well in real life
this is just a habit that i developed with AIM and it carried over to any casual conversation. it was partially inspired by e e cummings not using capital letters, partially laziness, and it kinda took off from there. i ended up not using apostrophes or capital letters (except with names and proper nouns and the occasional random one). while anything that breaks the sentence up, like commas, periods, or colons/semincolons are necessary for readability, i tend to eschew most of the rest of grammar rules.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
He looks like Christian Bale. The Christian Bale from "The Fighter"...
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by DRusso97 on Mar 10, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ever seen the machinist?
Google image “christian bale machinist”
That was my 1st reaction, but he's not THAT skinny.....and I figured that reference would be lost on most.
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That was my first reaction too (and yea Trickett isn't that bad)
Gave your comment a rec for obscurity cause I originally read “The Fighter” as “The Machinist”
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6-2 175
At 175, he’s the lightest 6’ 2" on the team. Maybe the lightest over 6’ 0". Hopkins is 6’ 2", 185.
Hopkins looks like Janakowski when compared to Tricket.
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my 2 cents…
EJ is incredibly smart too like CP7. Engineering major I think
Tricket kinda has the Jacory Harris syndrome…
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
He may have trouble gaining weight
but his arm is great. As long as he doesn’t throw like Jafloaty it’ll be alright lol
yes...Jafloaty I like it
I didn’t mean in arm strength…just weight.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
the two are inexorably connected
you end up burning the necessary nutrients lifting weights before it can build the muscle.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
you mean arm strength and musclemass/weight gain are connected?
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
If so, I disagree...
Much more to do with mechanics and flexibility.
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by CornNole on Mar 9, 2011 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you corn nole
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by PalmAireNole on Mar 9, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
hmm, i thought i responded to this one
no, i meant muscle gain and weight gain are connected. if you have trouble gaining weight, you also have trouble gaining muscle. mechanics and flexibility are important, but they dont mean jack without strong arms. i can teach a 170 pounder the proper way to throw a football, but unless hes all arms and bones it wont go very far.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Of course muscle gain and weight gain are connected.
But there is no weight limit for having a strong arm. I have seen some incredibly strong arms under 170lbs.
Muscle helps, but strong arm is mostly mechanics, flexibility and strength, but not stregnth found in simply in muscle mass.
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by PalmAireNole on Mar 10, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
then why do QBs and baseball players bother to lift?
truth is, arm strength is very important to throwing strength. its obviously not the only thing, but its still important.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
It absolutely is.
The small muscles in the shoulder determine natural arm strength to an extent. But, the big muscles are very important. I had a naturally good arm that got much better when I got serious about weight training.
One thing that gets overlooked about arm strength is leg strength. Why do you think the MLB fireballers typically have massive thighs? Increasing leg strength also had a profound positive effect (affect?) on my arm strength.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 10, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
A few more EJ stats
In his three games that were in doubt in the 4th quarter here are his 4th quarter numbers:
7 possessions:
Passing: 17-22-145-1 TD-1 INT and 9 first downs
Rushing: 13-98-1 TD and 8 first downs
Five scoring drives, one punt and one turnover.
Five possessions started while trailing or tied…took the lead on 4 of 5.
FSU won all three games (CU and SCAR ’10, Maryland ’09)
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 9:45 AM EST reply actions 9 recs
Money
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Nice reference
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by geoffissiffoeg on Mar 9, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
negative, I am meat popsicle
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Mar 9, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
It's because of his eyes...
This is why he was Fisher’s 1st handpicked QB recruit ….
Yes EJ has the physical ability to run the option and draws and “nakeds” but what I love about him is that he isn’t a running quarterback – He’s a quarterback who can run. What I mean is when you see passing plays break down he doesn’t just drop his eyes tuck it and run – He keeps his eyes down field to make a play.
One of the reason he’s good in late game execution is because of this ability. You have to account for the “Is he going to pass it?” factor when he moves and the indecision he causes puts so much strain on a defense and allows for more of the “clutch” plays we see.
He’s not going to be a Peyton Manning sit back there and dissect you guy. He’s going to be more of a Roethlisberger/Rodgers type – Extend plays and allow backs, TE & receivers get work back to the football for gains. I really think we’re going to see a lot of “Ward-esque” plays because of it.
I like the Rothlesberger comparison a lot.
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Without the "Throwing Picks, Assaulting Chicks" title, of course.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Mar 9, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Hey batter, batter, hey batter, batter. Hey batter, batter, hey batter, batter.....
SWING!
Sorry, a little Chili Peppers randomness.
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You need not apologize to me, Dr. KennethNoisewater. Ever.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Mar 9, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Title of the Red Hot Chili Peppers (1st?) album. With the Orlando added in.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they had four in the 80s
Their self-titled, Freaky Styley, Uplift Mofo Party Plan, and Mother’s Milk, the last of which is the first with what is considered the classic Chili’s lineup.
Thanks.
I used to be a frequent Orlando Pin Striped Post poster before it was infested with dishonest douche-trolls with no sense of humor.
I have been a long time lurker at TN and greatly appreciate the work Bud and the rest of the regular posters do here. Just had to put that out there.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Mar 9, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I bet you were a hoops player, huh?
They do put a heavy emphasis on advanced metrics (which can be useful but can also be unbelievably boring when used to breakdown every game).
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Mar 9, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
somewhat
metrics are fine and all. If i’m in an argument I like to use them as supporting but it’s easy to look up stats and make up an argument.
I just don’t think they watch enough basketball (college+nba) to actually know what they’re talking about.
They most certainly do not watch college hoops
I was lambasted when I mentioned that I prefer to watch college hoops over a lot of other teams in the NBA. Most of those posters have tunnel vision and have never heard of being optimistic.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Mar 9, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I got a soul that cannot sleep at night when something just ain't right!
Haha I was just listening to that at the gym. Favorite album of all time.
Yea I started listening to RHCP in Middle School (3 years ago). But everyone thought Dani California is the only good song they had smh. That song has/will never be on my iPod.
stop it sir
that song is garbage. the older Chilis is easily better than the new trash they are selling.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I actually expect....
Coker will actually be similar when its his time. Mobility and intelligence go a long way with Coach Fisher.
Yeah, no doubt. Very athletic.
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It's where...
the QB position is going. No longer can you just have statues back there. They have to create different launching points to disrupt defense and be able to extend plays to keep people honest
Ward-esque plays?
The awkward angle sideways pass to CT23 against SCAR…I have no idea how he even saw Chris, much less put the ball right on target. But, I immediately was reminded of Ward.
A couple of points I purposely omitted from those 4th quarter stats only to keep it strictly objective:
The pick was against Maryland and was a bad route by the receiver (went out, instead of in) and the punt followed the deep sideline incomplete pass to Smith at the 10 yard line…poor footwork/maybe inbounds anyway.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Remember beau running that wrong route if that is the play
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Yup. That was it.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
The pick against VT was sick to.
The ball bounced backward into the waiting defenders hands. That usually does not happen. Usually it is just a drop but that went for 7, the scoring diff in the game btw.
That was just a sick play by VT
Give props to them on that one.
Yep.
When I saw him a few years ago – He felt like a bigger version of Charlie. “Chollie 2.0” if you will.
People initially were concerned whether or not Ward had the proper mechanics and whether he completely “knew the playbook” (i.e. correct progressions) inside and out – The one thing we did know was Charlie, like a guard in basketball, had a general idea where you were and would improvise more to distribute than to run driving D Coordinators & Linebackers absolutely batty.
Charlie played basketball on the football field...
He had some of the best spacial instincts Ive seen out of any QB at the college level. Exact same movements he used on the bball court.
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by CornNole on Mar 9, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
IIRC, that's how the "Fast Break Offense" got its name.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Funny thing about Charlie is that if you saw him in person and didn't know who he was, you'd never guess what an elite athlete he is.
Just a completely normal looking guy.
"Taking a sh*t in the airport"
- Will Hill. Paragon of FU culture.
that is so true
he was built like a thin guard or a tennis player, certainly not big enough for a QB. but he made it work for him.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Hubby literally....
ran into him in the Moore Center back in the day before the UC and knocked him down coming out of the elevator accidently when he wasn’t paying attention to what he was doing. He always said he was scared to death he hurt him.
Charlie wasn’t big guy at all but defenders could never get a legit hit on him.
by FSU on Mar 9, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
I would adjust those stats. He was inbounds
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IN BOUNDS!!
HE WAS IN!!
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
Is EJ still in that 230 lb range?
The kid looks like he could carry another 10 to 15 lbs and still be mobile.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
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I was thinking the same thing
He looks more lean than bulky to me. Watching the highlights of him throwing would-be tacklers aside, I’m not sure if he needs to bulk up any more.
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Agreed
He looks fluid and those down the field passes will open up with the option working! Oooohhhh, I cannot wait. Also, want to see Coker get some quality PT during the Spring game. Should get a good view into the future. His progress would force the hands of our current back up QBs.
by BucsNolesRays on Mar 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
IMO Coker projects to run the O in a way that is virtually identical to EJ
I really can’t think of a significant difference between what Coker abilities project him to be able to do in our O from what EJ has done and will do. Mental make-up (e.g., leadership, work ethic, etc.) are always unknown but based on the small amount of evidence available, Coker appears to have these intangibles.
I’m not sure outsiders would agree with me, which will probably help us in 2012 QB recruiting, i.e., 2012 QBs probably won’t be intimidated by competing with Coker, but IMO they’ll be in for a tougher fight than assumed.
Championship!
by TLHWG on Mar 9, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
To see Coker in a Spring Game, you'll have to wait until 2012.
He’s not an EE
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by geoffissiffoeg on Mar 9, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
And so it starts....
All of the good stuff leading to the start of the season where my work production drastically lowers for some reason. its official…I have a man crush on Bud….Really hoping being the 1 and getting the majority of reps in spring practice that EJ cleans up the 2 or 3 bonehaed throws he puts up a game. Have to believe its due to lack of reps with the 1 receivers. Im banking on our losses on the O line will not be as glaring with EJ’s rollout talent. Really excited to see the rollout and watch the D bite while the ball is half way to the receivber over the middle……Oleary perhaps??? >:)
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Coming out of HS – Felt that EJ was the better QB, Pryor was the better freak athlete.
You see OSU more I assume – Thoughts on Pryor vs. Manuel?
i dont think theres a question about that
Pryor is definitely a freak athlete, but a sub-par QB. EJ is clearly a good (possibly great) QB with good athleticism and great vision.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Havent seen Tressel
as much this year. Was curious if other than running the pistol formation … What they’ve done to diversify the offense there to develop him as a QB.
I got in an argument with someone the other day because I said Im not so sure if Pryor wasn’t in Auburn’s offense, he wouldn’t have similar/comparable numbers to Newton statistically and vice versa.
Oh no doubt.....
His second choice was Michigan< if he would have went there under rich rod he may still have his job? kid was run first option guy and chose a pro style offense because he wanted to proove he could pass….Naga Naga NagonnabeaproQB.
by buckeyeNOLE on Mar 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep its a...
case of listening to the wrong people during recruiting. His recruitment was just circus craziness. Reminded me of Clowney (cue Dogrel) recruitment. FWIW, I thought Clowney was going to be Bama bound – a better fit anyway.
Not sure if it was deliberate with Clowney...
It certainly was with Pryor. Kid craves the attention. look at me! look at me!
Pryor wasn't worth it
JT is a great coach but the TAT 5 clearly took advantage of him. They do those things and Tressel did everything he could to protect the very kids that let him down. You can fault sweeatervest to a certain extent but there’s no doubt that Pryor was the ringleader of this circus.
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by Blood, Sugar, Sex, ORLANDO Magic on Mar 9, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
But we all know who the buck stops with.....
Kids screw up. no team is immune to it. i disagree that a coach should be held accountable for what every single kid in his program is up to. its impossible. But in the end its on the coach. it wasnt that his kids screwed up…it wsas the fact that he knew about it and tried to cover by straight up lying to the NCAA, the feds and the nation. bad idea. especially when you have lines in your “winners manual” like “it takes less time to do the right thing than to explain why you did it wrong.”
this is one instance where i TOTALLY agree with blaming the coach
its irresponsible and lazy to blame a coach for everything that his players do, but he KNEW about this one and said NOTHING to benefit himself and the team.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
He deserved an Oscar for that performance after the Sugar Bowl. Those painful faces and him being carried around by his teammates was hilarious/disturbigly overdramatic.
Vomit inducing....
Remember how Clarett wanted to expose the university and its transgressions after they dumped him? noone would listen because his reputation at that point was beyond tarnished? This is deeper than it looks.
Yep.
Been on the phone a lot with friends up there. This will be ugly, Im sure. Coach Tress’s legacy as being an upfront clean guy is done.
Whats funny is the Big 10 – the cleanest of the BCS leagues generally – is taking big hits from two of its flagships in the last 2 years: Ohio St & Michigan
Seen somewhere it said.....
After 9 straight losses, the buckeyes finally beat an SEC school. Apparently, Tressel learned to cheat as well as they do. lol
by buckeyeNOLE on Mar 9, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, but beating the FOURTH-best (maybe 5th) SEC team is nothing to brag about, Buckeyes.
…You still get worn out by the SEC Champs.
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Ohio State
in the last ten years, I think, has reported more violations than any other school (as per a Columbus newspaper).
What?
You expected that to be Alabama, UGA, or Florida?
I said REPORTED.
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If you don't have some secondary ones....
the NCAA gets suspicious and starts snooping around. So its best to have some
by FSU on Mar 9, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
see UGA recently
"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind
if Pryor was at Auburn
the rushing numbers would be higher, and the accuracy would be lower. total yards would likely be slightly dimished, due to yds per pass attempt being higher than yds per rush. comparable athletically, but i think Pryor has an arm more like Xavier Lee than Cam Newton. while Cam clearly needs some work on his accuracy (as seen during combine), he is probably more accurate than Pryor. some of his throws are plain awful.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i agree, it would be a benefit to him all around
but Cam would still come out looking better. he at least has the tools, Pryor either doesnt have them or chooses not to improve and refine them.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I got to see EJ in Charlotte....
Very impressed with his poise given the atmosphere and weather that night….I have also seen Pryor more than once….like you said, absolute freak of an athlete. noone that big should be able to run that fast. seriously. that being said he also plays behind some ridiculous Oline talent. all day to throw before he picks a spot and takes off. i will say that EJ throws a better ball than Pryor all day and twice on Sundays. His receivers do a ridiculous amount of bailing out his dying quails. Gonna have to see more of EJ as a starter but i believe he is already a better passer.
I would say EJ will be throwing a better ball than Pryor a lot more than twice on Sundays.
by BigSpear on Mar 9, 2011 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Superb.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Mar 9, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
lol at USCe #3 covering Easterling
Not only did he hold and not get called for it, but when Easterling STILL makes the catch all he can do is put his hands on his hips in disbelief.
I can’t wait to see EJs stats when he’s getting lots of reps vs defenses that aren’t UF, USCe, VT or Clemson.
wow
good point. I never thought about that. He did play against Wake both years, and Maryland in 2009. Played well in both Wake games. I remember a couple picks against Maryland, though.
Yeah
the stadium started emptying after the last pick against Maryland. Then in Mickey’s last home game, the D managed to get a stop. G5 had a great punt return and EJ marched us all the way to the endzone for the win. Loudest 40k people I ever heard :)
by StM on Mar 9, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I remember that. I was watching online
(after that last pick) i jumped up and said, “it’s all over…the bowl streak…the winning seasons…its over”. Then I watched as we won the game. Very happy.
I was there ( Maryland game)
I had end zone seats( south end zone). Watched G5 trip over his foot, and EJ march them the rest of the way. I damn near jumped over the rail watching G5 almost run it back
I agree, when EJ played in relief of CP it was always against a top defense.
I think he will put up very good numbers this year.
Wow, watching that video
you realize EJ is extremely talented and is listening to his coaches. The future is very bright.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I know he is battle tested, but...
it totally different being the backup than being The Man. I know EJ started several games, but he was still the known as the 2nd stringer…so, my only question/worry would be, will he be able to handle the pressure of being THE MAN?
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i think he will relish the opportunity
he has been waiting patiently for his shot, and he has handled it well. no reason to think he cant continue to play well. at least we know he wont have the Weatherford/Lee problem of trying too hard to outdo the other guy, since theres no proven talent behind him.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
There might be a mental difference, but
When your 1st stringer gets injured and is out for the season (2009 during CU) or basically out for the season (end of 2010), the focus/pressure gets shifted to you. EJ didn’t just start easy games (like OSU’s backup will do next year), he started in a bowl game, the ACC championship game, against CU, etc. For those games, at least, I think he was treated like THE MAN and handled it very well. I wouldn’t be too worried (besides, isn’t this why we hired a psychologist?)
I know Ponder is smart but did anyone ever read what his wonderlic score was?
Re: Trickett — I’d like to see him succeed(being a Pike helps!).
When I first saw him when he signed on I knew he would always be light.
I’ll bet he can work out/ eat gain a few pounds and if he slacks off just a bit the weight falls off of him
I think we will have to accept him as slim guy and hope his savvy, intelligence etc carry him through (ala Dorsey at Miami).
On a scouting report last year it was 36.
No reason it isn’t in the mid 30s @ combine
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by PalmAireNole on Mar 9, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2010/8/20/1633146/blesto-scouting-report-on
sorry 38…
Look under test score
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by PalmAireNole on Mar 9, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
So I'm definitely
turning that song in the EJ video on very loudly every time I get my paycheck. Just saying.
Very fitting song but...
Is there no “V” in the gangsta alphabet? Not trying to nitpick, it just kept making me laugh :)
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
Nope--no V. A lot of extra "Z's" though. Especially on the West Coast.
I’m sorry…..I mean “the Dub-Sizzle”
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Charlie Sheen
is high on EJ Manuel.
by ScalpEM_TX on Mar 9, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Smell it in the air??
Spring practices. Getting me in the football mood already. Really excited for this year. Hope everyone stays healthy during the spring. Looking forward to more write ups. The RB one really intrigues me. How good will Devonta look? I really like our young stable of RB’s.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
smells like freshly cut grass...
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Based on our Trickett/Secord situation ...
….what was Brissett thinking??
he was thinking there are officially 3 guys between him and the starter this year
while they wont likely all play, it makes your job easier when you come in competing with one guy in your class to be the starter in 2012, as opposed to 3 guys that all have a fair shake to hit the field before he does. if i thought like him, i think i would have gone to Miami over UF, since he has the prototypical build advantage over Morris and not Driskel. but both were more favorable depth charts than FSU last season.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Brissett should have been a Cane
Both Florida and FSU are loaded at QB and there is no one in Coral Gables after Jacory leaves. Bad decision.
CORSO....................not so fast my friend...............
This will admittedly sound like aol/internet (B.S) and I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t “buy” it. BUT……………. number 2 son is 26 and has in the past (not dated), but partied, gone out, whatever it’s called today with herr Brantleys 30-something aunt. Word is, dear Johnny-boy is a nice guy, but absolutely no threat to become a brain surgeon. Supposedly he has complained that college defenses are quite “different” than Ocala area high school defenses. Herr Weiss may have his work well cut out for him. Now is this all from an “auntie” party-gal thats family pissed…….or is it true? Purely based on what i watched last year, i give it a "b+ for accuracy. I think perhaps Mr. coachquit neglected some recruiting homework awhile back.
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This sounds like a situation for some "hands on" D.Russo investigation!!
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isnt that what i said?
except that there is someone there after Harris, its Stephen Morris.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Don't think Florida is "Loaded" at QB
Brissett wants to play in the next two years. At FSU he wouldn’t have.
At Florida he competes against a player who does not have seniority, and similar level of talent, doesn’t everyone here say that players should not be afraid of competition?
UF has 1 real QB on their roster (a senior) – 2 athletes in the QB list – both will either transfer or change roles completely, and 2 incoming freshmen of great talent. He is given himself the chance to start in 2 years. If he doesn’t he transfers, if he does, then he is probably pretty good.
Yes, miami would have been the ‘better’ situation for playing time. But its hard to argue against Weis as your OC over a coach from nowhere.
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It depends if you think Driskell has the mental capacity to be Top Flight QB
Driskell didn’t dominate in HS which is a tad worrisome since he was the best athlete on the field every week.
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According to ESPN stats
Found here:
Only 3 ACC QBs with at least 20 attempts had better passer ratings than Ponder in 2010. They are Tyrod Taylor, T.J. Yates, and EJ Manuel (with 93 attempts).
Fun fact: If you don’t limit attempts, another Seminole was rated higher than both of them…
Powell to Harris?
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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correctamundo
1-1, 33 yds
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Yep
It is the second to last listing under “2nd Quarter” on the right
Interestingly, I think the play-by-play has field position wrong. It was from the MD 45 to the MD 12 (33 yards), but ESPN’s play-by-play says it was from FSU’s 45 to MD’s 12 (43 yards). Funny, since ESPN’s official stats say it was a 33 yard completion.
Definitely an error
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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EJ
What shouldn’t be lost is that not only did EJ play well against CU, VT and USC, but he played well against 3 pretty tough defenses. EJ became the leader of this team during that last drive in the bowl game. I was there and that game was very much in doubt when he lead them down the field for the final td. I never saw a replay of the game (so I don’t know how it looked on tv), but he was very animated in the huddle and was something like 7 for 7 passing on the possession including some big 3rd down conversions. He took over the team that night and I believe it will be fun to watch him play for the next 2 years.
I dont know about you all
But or QB convo has come a long way from the X Lee vs Drew Weatherford days. I’m loving it.
its less about who would suck less today
and more about how much talent we see now and potential
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
And even better, we get player development thanks to actual coaching!
Our “talent” is now turned into “ability.”
God, how I’d missed that on our teams…
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2012 QB recruit Chad Kelly gets a big no from me
http://www.gametimepa.com/football/ci_17555875
Dismissed 2 times from the same school and then moved north, mmm???
Attitude issues along of some other things.
wow. that is awesomely non informative
I’m sure Jimbo will find out whats up – and if he ends up committing to FSU that you won’t hold whatever that was, against him. Pretty vague. i’ll take a bit more info before I come down with the hammer.
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Saw QB prospect Bennie Coney today
He was wearing an FSU cap out on the town here in Tampa, I gave him the Seminole Chop!
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by FCANOLE on Mar 9, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Nice!
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I was looking for him at the Strawberry festival.
by Blake Davis on Mar 10, 2011 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
That sounds creepy.......
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could be worse
he could have said “i saw him at the strawberry festival, but fortunately, he never saw me”
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Nahhh.....I think it only sounds worse like THIS:
I was looking for him at the Strawberry festival……..through my binoculars!!
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Hey Bud
TE Kent Taylor from Land O Lakes is the son of former Bucanneer Rob Taylor, I know him, we are definitely in his top 3 as he continues to collect offers from everybody in America.
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Good stuff FCA. Yeah Taylor is a beast. Who are his other two?
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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i'll see him again in 2 weeks....i'll see if i can find out
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by FCANOLE on Mar 10, 2011 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just heard he was selected for the US Army All American Bowl
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I dont know how it works but
Isnt the 1st and 2nd teams split up and going throw drills on dif fields where JF with 1 and Coley with the second group. I would think that Craig would also be with this group and Trickett with the 1st.
Its funny that some of the battles for back-up spots might be just as good as some 1st team spots. They might be just as importen too to the over all success for next year.
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