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Florida State Spring Game: What Did We Learn?

Florida State's Spring game was an overwhelming success because there were no major injuries.  Nothing was going to be gained yesterday on the field, but there was potential for much to be lost.  FSU also hosted a lot of elite recruits, and the fans showed up to the tune of an announced 53, 818 crowd.

Let's evaluate the Florida State Spring game from the angle I provided last Wednesday.

Spring games like this really don't serve as great indicators of anything, so forming strong opinions after you watch the Florida State Spring Game Saturday would be unwise. Generally, I only take the feel of the game and look for fundamentals in looking at specific players or positions, but here are just a few things I'm going to be paying attention to this weekend. Watching whole units really doesn't make sense, as they will be out of sync due to players missing the game with injury.

I was correct.  The offense looked awful, as should be expected with zero returning offensive line starters from 2010 against a good (or very good?) defensive front.  

It is very tough to win a game when you're being dominated up front.  FSU did it last year against Clemson, thanks to some dumb decisions by Dabo Swinney and CU's departed offensive coordinator.

Overall Offense

The offense didn't do anything to make me think it will be anything other than very good again.  That is, if it gets its guys back healthy.  If not, stylistic changes will have to be made.  The defense absolutely knew what was coming and the defensive players said so after the game, as did EJ.

QB  EJ Manuel looked to have a stronger arm this year, though he was pressing in trying to force some things into coverage.  I don't see much reason to worry about EJ.  EJ cannot be brought down by one-hand touch in a real game setting, and I think it is telling that he bulked to 235ish pounds.  FSU is going to run him, as is prudent to do in the college game.  He has to get better touch on the deep balls and really learn to throw with his newfound arm strength.  He looked like a different QB out there.  Never before had I seen EJ throw the bubble like he did yesterday.  It was accurate and crisp, in a position where the receivers could get it and go.  Prepare to see some 2008 concepts this year, as teams have to fear his legs and will try to hedge the edges, thus opening up the bubbles.

Clint Trickett pretty clearly gets it, though they didn't ask him or Will Secord to do very much.  Trickett's future at FSU, if he is to start, is clearly as a game manager in 2013 behind a very strong offensive line and run game.  I am not sure what Secord's future is.  Garnet certainly had a lot more sprint-outs, which helped the young QBs.  Here's Coley Harvey's thoughts on the backup QB situation.

RB  What can you really say about the backs?  They didn't have the holes to run through.  Jermaine looked a bit quicker.  Freeman looked pretty good.  

WR  Jarred Haggins dinged a knee, but he had a great Spring.  Really wanted to see more of him.  Christian Green looked very athletic.  I came into the year thinking there was no doubt FSU would have a better receiving corps this year than last, and I still believe that.  Didn't expect anything from Haulstead as he was only back to Spring ball for a single day before the game (shoulder injury).  Rodney Smith looked ok, though finding him on deep routes is tough when there isn't time for the routes to develop due to protection.  Smith needs to play with more consistent intensity.  Sad to see Josh Gehres lost for the Season due to his knee injury a few days ago.  He is only one year from graduating, and it would surprise me if he ever played for FSU again.

OL  Fahrenkrug looked pretty good at times, and at times showed that he still has a long way to go with his footwork and understanding of the scheme.  The snaps were not great, but were not bad.  That's encouraging.  Jordan Prestwood showed good athleticism in pass protection a few times.  Bryan Stork is always pretty athletic.

Star-divide

Defensive Overall

Offense is going to be very tough to come by if the defense can sit in cover two and cover four while the front seven dominates the offensive line.  I thought it was a little unbelievable that Stoops had the defense stemm into an 8-man box late in the count, giving the offense no chance.  Last year I said it would be a big victory for the defense to go from 81st to around 40th.  Mission accomplished.  Cutting the rank in half again this year, say to 20th, seems quite doable now.  I don't conclude that because of what I saw today, but rather the continued maturation of the defense, and a second year in the new system.  

DE  Tank Carradine really hustles.  He may not always know what he is doing, but he really does get after it.  That is something you can't teach.  Mark my words, he will cause a turnover or save a play this year because of his hustling.  But at this point he has very little in the way of pass rushing moves.  Bjeorn Werner is an absolute beast and it is quite telling that he won the defensive MVP of the entire Spring.  Brandon Jenkins looked pretty good, considering he was coming off the injury.  And Dan Hicks is a very, very good backup on a college team.  All of them looked to play with decent discipline.

DT  Cameron Erving has better explosion than I thought, though don't get carried away as he was facing a tiny walk-on for much of the game.  Some thought he would never play at Florida State.  It seems now that he will have a role on the team, perhaps 100+ snaps.  Did you know he doesn't turn 19 until August 23rd?  That's quite young for a 2nd-year player.  Expect him to continue to grow into his body and potentially end up at nose.  Amp McCloud looks like he gained weight in the mid-section.  He didn't play poorly, but that was disappointing.  I was impressed with Everett Dawkins' quickness.  He is really, really quick.  Darious Cummings also showed good agility stunting.  In a sad note, where does Moses McCray fit in if he ever gets back healthy?

LB  Aside from the safeties, linebackers may be the second-biggest question on the defense.  They definitely looked better coached yesterday.  Nigel Bradham and Vince Williams looked to be more agile, which is a credit to the S&C program.  Christian Jones is a freak, and looked good in coverage.  Telvin Smith is incredibly instinctive, and if FSU does it right, can be a good middle linebacker.  Terrance Smith looks like he will see some snaps this year, and the seldom-discussed Nigel Terrell also looked decent.  Credit to coach Hudson here for really improving.

CB  Greg Reid had the highlight play, but Mike Harris and Avis Commack both played pretty well upon further review.  Commack is just incredibly physical.  FSU is loaded at the corner position and the top corner in the ACC, Xavier Rhodes, was not even on the field!.  Harris will play NFL ball.  Keep in mind, however, that the corners didn't need to cover for long periods due to the tremendous pressure up front.

S  Lamarcus Joyner showed impressive range, and Parks looked comfortable at Nick Moody's spot.  Joyner has such range that whomever is asked to play the free safety (really a traditional strong safety) will have to do less.  It gives me confidence that Parks or Moody can likely handle it.  Terrence Brooks looked pretty good in coverage, and could start in 2012 if Joyner moves back to corner.  I think Chad Abram blew the deep coverage on the long Rodney Smith catch.  Justin Bright can't play for FSU at his current level.  

Kicker  What can you say?  Dustin Hopkins came in as the top kicker in the country and has improved each of the last two seasons.

 

Other Thoughts

There are some guys on FSU's roster who would not be recruited in 2012.  They were flyers taken for depth purposes in 2009 and 2010, after FSU was in really bad shape as a program, with three six-loss seasons in four years.  A few turnout, but many will not.  I'm not sure how long some of those guys will stick around.  I don't want to name names, but you have to wonder about upperclassmen who were healthy and yet didn't get in the game.  How long before they are fed up and transfer elsewhere to get playing time?  The talent isn't getting weaker.

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we might have one of the best S&C programs

and he has less definition than my 7 year old twins.. no kidding.. the dude clearly doesnt get it..

by palmcitynole on Apr 17, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

he did bring down

Bert Reed in the open field when terrance smith missed him. I’m just saying. The guy was in the right spot a few times, though he does seem to have the wrong size cleats. I thing he could pin Trickett.

So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.

by Ponder This on Apr 17, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which Trickett?

Father or son? My vote is for the son not the father.

Go Noles!!

by AbeFroman21 on Apr 17, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Bright (and Jenije)

make the BIG fourth- down stop on the fake punt against UF last year? if so, not a bad memory for a kid who probably should have never seen the field.

by FOshizzleFSU on Apr 18, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

our d-line is going to be very solid for us

I was very impressed with all of them, the de’s are a quality 2 deep, and in the middle i was shocked by cam, for one off size alone, he towers out there, and 2 like bud said, his first step is actually pretty good and he seems to move very well in pursuit, after yesterday i can see him getting 1st qt type snaps early in the season, not just garbage time play. I also am a believer in avis now, he has this nastiness about him, around the 2nd or 3rd qt he jammed willie right into the sidelines, willie tried to jog back inbounds, and avis gave him another shove, and it was a play to the opposite side where he and willie where, avis has grit.

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by jfree on Apr 17, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Liking Telvin at MLB more and more?

What do you mean by “If FSU does it right”?

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Well we are a team that spills to the edges, except interior run plays. We’d need to funnel to the inside for it to work best, I think.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Telvin did great!

but I’m still excited to see what Jeff Luc will be able to do, wish he wouldnt have missed the spring

by Noleforever9399 on Apr 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Christian jones

Look good in coverage didn’t get burn and looked to me to be where he should be in the zone. I’m still learning zones so take my praise with a grain of salt .

by Mr.Wolf on Apr 17, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, I think that Christian is going to have a great year

And also someone else who I have thought is going to have a breakout year is Bjoern Werner. I’m very excited about him this upcoming season, I think he is going to become a true difference maker on the d-line.

by Noleforever9399 on Apr 17, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bjoern

is going to be frikkin nasty son. He was one of the players in which I focused on the most. The way he uses his body is great. He keeps his legs under him, center of gravity low which provides great balance and he bulldozes his way in with relative ease keeping his hands inside. His legs never stop pumping forward. He may not ever be that snap fast round the edge type of DE , however his strength and technique allows him to collapse the pocket even while being double teamed rather quickly. ACC teams will need to watch out this season, with Werner pushing on one side and Jenkins blazing in off the other, QBs are going to have nightmares about the spear as thats the last thing they’ll see as those golden helmets come crashing in.

by CPNole on Apr 18, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beast Mode Bjoern

He is relentless in pursuit, but what most impressed me was an explosive burst he showed that forced Trickett to throw it away (3rd Quarter?). He showed close to Jenkins explosiveness, which I would never expect to see from him.

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by SoCalNole on Apr 18, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

If DTs can occupy 3 interior linemen

and keep them off MLB, Telvin could be a great MLB. Just worried that his size seriously limits his ability to scrape off a blocker.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Apr 18, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a couple where he squeezed in and

Made the tackle in the middle. If they start running right at him, it might be a problem, but he looks to be hard to get a hat on him. On the flip side, VW looked much better in coverage. So Tellin may not be needed as much.

So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.

by Ponder This on Apr 18, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

he also got blocked soundly a few times, which is conerning.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 18, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I think this is the end of Moses McCray at FSU

Just don’t saee him getting in the rotation again, too far behind now.

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by NoleThruandThru on Apr 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Did you see him on the sidelines?

I think a caught a brief shot of him. HUGE!

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Huge doesn't matter if health doesn't come with it

We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.

by NoleThruandThru on Apr 17, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. Just haven't seen him in almost 2 years.

Couldn’t believe how big he is now.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you really ever have too many 300 pound DTs? Just last year we were wishing for more "big bodies" for depth...

I don’t see the guy getting a lot of snaps, but I for one am glad we’ve got him. Who knows what happens when the season starts…guys get banged up, etc. I say we run those big bodies in there and tell them to give it hell and get out for a breather.

by lawdy15 on Apr 17, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question for anyone who was there:

any comments on the halftime game? Did anyone (particularly Peter Warrick) do anything notable?

by QNole on Apr 17, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard one guy jumped up for a catch and tackled and flipped?

Also that the guys had fun and the crowd loved it. but not quite the awesomeness of last year.

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

link?

Can I be on Team Gold??

by nolewhacker on Apr 17, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPUNfcfykk&feature=channelvideo_title

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Apr 17, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was a nfl safety who

Broke on the ball so well it made my jaw drop. If he could spend 10 minutes with our guys they could learn that technique, granted he probably is in quite a bit of pain today.

So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.

by Ponder This on Apr 18, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was highly uneventful

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman

by CornNole on Apr 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to pile on (wait, yes, that's what I'm doing), but Weatherford is still bad.

David Castillo had several chances to rush Weatherford but just stood there. Some sort of 5 year old loyalty? Maybe he didn’t want to jam his doctor fingers? There’s even a picture of Weatherford on Warchant throwing it deep with his eyes closed. Guys got some nice locks, though. Gotta give him some credit for that.

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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

As true as that may be....and trust me I'll rag on Drew till the day I die (well maybe)

He can still say something neither you nor I can say….

I was the starting QB for Florida State University and I never had a losing season.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'll always be able to say something he can't say:

I wasn’t a bad quarterback at FSU.

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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed it for you

I wasn’t a bad the worst quarterback at FSU, ever.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 22, 2011 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

now you know that isnt true

he beat out a lazy 5* QB, so there is at least 1 QB who was worse.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 22, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I stand by my statement

X could have outperformed him, but from what I understand he never really got a chance from Jeffy.

Drew doesn’t beat Bama, I guarantee it.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 22, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

X got his shots, and he blew it

its not about jeffy, its all about X. Jimbo wanted to move him to TE because he didnt have the motivation to put in the work to be a great QB

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 22, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

and by the way, that makes me hate X all the more

he had the ability, but due to his own issues we ended up with Drew for 3 years.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 22, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew can also say he beat Miami when that felt like the biggest hurdle on earth…TWICE!

I know they were ugly, ugly games but I’ll always remember him for that. 2000-2004 against those guys was absolute hell, some of my lowest points as a fan.

by 38Noles on Apr 18, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha! I have a friend who tried out for the Lakers and was told the same thing:

“Leach, you have everything going for you but talent.” A really great guy who then went on to a very successful career as a commercial banker.

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by PeachTreeNole on Apr 18, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Took OChem2 with David Castillo

Always seemed like a very nice guy. Glad to see he got his MD

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by NeuroNole on Apr 17, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my best friends went to HS with him

always talks well about him

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I met Castillo's mom last week

at a Publix in New Tampa. I was wearing my usual FSU clothing and started a discussion with another customer in G & G. We were talking about how rude the Gator fans are. She turned around to us and said that her son played for FSU. I showed her my FSU ring and asked who he was. She told us and I said that I remembered him and he was very good. She beamed and I asked what he is doing now. She said that he is loving med school!

by DrNole on Apr 18, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

After watching the spring game

Do you think either team would still be capable of beating WFU or Duke?

by paperjames on Apr 17, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly on the bubble

That was one of the things that really stuck out to me. The timing was excellent.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Apr 17, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I felt better about the team as a whole at the end of the game yesterday

However, I felt worse about the backup QB situation. Clint looked fine skill-wise, but I was really concerned that a gust of wind was going to blow him out of the stadium. He has got to put on some weight or he will not last very long in D-1 ball.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Apr 17, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

He and DJJ definitely have similar builds

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by NoleThruandThru on Apr 17, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I cringed on a couple of those pass rushes on him.

Good Lord, if not for the “QB off limits” rule.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was pretty pleased watching Trickett

His decision making seemed pretty good. That’s what scares me when a young back up QB goes in the game. Hopefully he’ll have two years to fill out before he has to take a full time pounding.

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by SeminoleMike on Apr 17, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

he throws the ball better than anybody else on the roster..

and with surprising zip.. heck he completed the only deep balls on the day..

by palmcitynole on Apr 17, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tricket

was anyone else shocked by how small he looked out there? That was like the only thing that stood out to me.

“I know you can be overwhelmed and underwhelmed, but can you ever just be whelmed?”

by Weasie on Apr 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

He looks like he has to run around in the shower to get wet

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by GonzoNole on Apr 17, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was surprised to hear (from the ESPN announcers)

That apparently our colors are NOT Garnet and Gold, but garNET and Gold. Sheesh.

by Invictus13 on Apr 17, 2011 2:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha

I noticed that too. They had JT38 as Jashwaze Smith or something. Pathetic coverage.

by FTSNole on Apr 17, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's his biblical name.

Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman

by CornNole on Apr 18, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

tell you what, poor emphasis aside, i though dan hawkins showed real knowledge

and good diagnosis of action during the game.. helluva lot better than most of the assclowns we usually get on saturdays.. he was also kinda frank with some of his analysis which was refreshing.. the wrong names by espn were simply inexcusable though.. dawsey thomas was my favorite on the day..

by palmcitynole on Apr 17, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Jenkins

was mine. Not that he’s done anything that he’s done anything that would cause anyone at ESPN to have an idea who he is.

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Apr 17, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually it was Greg Jenkins.

Where do they get their info?

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Apr 18, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kept hoping the play by play guy would ask for Hawkins’ thoughts on the Spring practice schedule and how much time Jimbo gives the players off.

by 38Noles on Apr 18, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

I kept thinking Kevin Garnett was out there.

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah. thanks for that.

even when people we talking about it in the forum live yesterday I didnt quite figure it out (I had the sound off) but that analogy clears it up for me.

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

" EJ cannot be brought down by one-hand touch in a real game setting"

Yeah, I had the thought that not only would he not have been tackled, but he likely could’ve ran for 15 yards. I’m sure EJ felt the same. Probably a good drill for him though – force him to think pass first.

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by SeminoleMike on Apr 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

A few more thoughts:

G5 did make highlights, but not all of them good. He went for the Lattimore Layout, as he has been wont to do, and instead of wrapping up he bounced off the WR who took it for about 10 yards. Shades of the OU game.

Clint Trickett reminds me of a young Casey Weldon- not physically imposing but good athlete who can manage things and make some plays with scrambling and decent passing.

Dan Hawkins was right— we are not a top 5 team, and his criticisms were accurate. However, I hope he watches this team closely in the fall and sees how it has progressed. There’s a vas deferens between being able to spot what’s wrong, and knowing how to fix it. That’s why some can coach, and some can’t.

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by PeachTreeNole on Apr 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Hawkins also made the distinction

between the personnel actually on the field and the ones that will be out there come September. Even with all our players I don’t think it’s a top 5 team. Second tier, I think (near the top on 2nd tier).

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang you and your mixing classification systems

But seriously, using the “Top X” system, where would you put FSU? Top 10? Top 15? Top 8i^2?

And (if you have time/patience) give a few relatively equal teams that you’d put FSU next to in the “Second Tier”

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they'll be a legit top 10.

Way too far out to compare to others (for me). I’m just going by what I think will be a typical top 10 team, just below the elite teams. Very subjective at this point.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is your first tier 5 teams

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what I thought he meant as well,

but I think he’s just saying “out of the top 5” and “in the second tier”. Not that the first tier is the top 5, but not in either.

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It isn't necessarily.

Just going by a typical year. I usually think there are about 5 elite teams, give a take 1 or 2. Usually about 10 in the next group and so on.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tricket reminds me of Ponder

He is a lot skinnier and doesn’t have quite as strong an arm but Ponder’s biggest talent was his brain, Trickett is the same way, he will be able to get us into the right play if/when he becomes a starter in a few years. He just needs to gain about 25 pounds before EJ leaves…

by FSUAlum04 on Apr 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would not fix anything until you know what parts you willl have.

Also, what teams would you have ahead of fsu aside from bama and ou, which are obvious

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would you consider

Oregon and a full strength Ohio St. Have to think from a talent standpoint Texas should be there as well.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t. I said FSU is not on that level, nor would I expect it to be.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is one tier with those two.

Then a big group of like 7-10 teams.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you not think OSU is

capable? Or is it the suspensions?

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Suspensions do matter, and they did lose a lot as well.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the suspensions matter

But I only really expect them to matter in 1 game. When they play Michigan St. I’m not confident in Golden’s touch to beat OSU even with Sir Tatsalot.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Returning only 8 starters before suspension…

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wowsers

So it was worth playing 5 games this year with the starting qb to beat an SEC last year because it was the best chance in a long while, No?

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn right it was

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which, if I remember correctly, consists of no other meetings in the last 7 or so years outside of the two lost championship games, which were 2006 (UF) and 2007 (LSU)

by MWM Nole on Apr 17, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Nebraska is game 6.

Not so sure the suspended players can just plug right in against them. They should be pretty good this year. one of the fastest teams in the big 10 right away. My 200 dollar bet i made before the suspensions came to light saying FSU would finish ahead of OSU in the final bcs standings this coming year are looking better and better>:)

by buckeyeNOLE on Apr 18, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm throwing a group out of teams I believe will be in the top 10

and where FSU stands on that list.
1. Bama
2. Oklahoma
3. LSU
4. Oregon
5. Nebraska(They’ll benefit from OSU not having the Tattoo 5 and Tressel)
6. Texas A&M
7. USCe
8. Ohio State
9. Oklahoma State
10. FSU

by Matt Champion on Apr 18, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Texas A&M?

what makes them a top ten team?

by xnolex on Apr 18, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes FSU a top 10 team? Being a talented team that had success last year and returning a lot of that nucleus?

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 18, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont agree with USCe, think stanford should be up there instead

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The biggest reason I do not have Stanford in my top

ten is because they will be adjusting to a new head coach and new offensive/defensive coordinators. While they return Luck and several other key contributors back, how will these coaches scheme and call games? USCe returns many key contributors from both sides of the ball, continuity on the coaching staff, and a schedule that is somewhat easy even by SEC standards. Texas A&M will have a full season of Ryan Tannehill as the starter, return almost all of the skill position players and o-lineman, return most of the defense that improved dramatically last year, will have a second year in the new defensive scheme, and they have a relatively good non-conference schedule(hardest opponent is weaker Arkansas) and they get Texas and Oklahoma State at home. The only game they will probably lose is against OU. I probably shouldn’t of put FSU in the top 10 though, though they did have all the things Bud mentioned.

by Matt Champion on Apr 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He only said the product on the field during the spring game was not top 5.

In his pre-season poll he rated us as the #5 team in the country. He acknowledged the fact that we will have most of our pieces back in place and will be a very good team.

by RunninNole5 on Apr 17, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn't hear that but wouldn't be surprised if you're right.

i’ll have to listen again, and I’m sure I will— many times— between now and Sept. :)

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by PeachTreeNole on Apr 17, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there (vas deferens)...or at least I hope you did that on purpose.

Seeing as the rest of your post was well-written, had good points, etc. I’m sure you deserve the bonus points :)

by lawdy15 on Apr 17, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Old inside joke with my friends from an old Monte Python skit.

iirc— “Our guest tonight is Mr. Reginald Vas Deferens. Mr. Deferens,…..”

We got so used to it we hardly ever said “there’s a vast difference”. :)

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by PeachTreeNole on Apr 18, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

a vas deferens?

Jimbo is the Tomas Crown of NCAAFB

by stevegrizzle on Apr 18, 2011 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be very disappointed if Tim Brando doesn't pick us number one

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by SeminoleMike on Apr 17, 2011 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

here are my two cents

1. Dent has great potential, but time will tell if he can put the mental side together.

2. Telvin is all over the place. It isn’t going to be possible to keep him off the filed, regardless of his weight.

3. I thought tank looked slow off the ball, but maybe he was just giving the guy a break.

4. Werner is primed to have an excellent year. While everything starts up front, we are going to have a good number of coverage sacks.

5. I think g5 doesn’t like to warp up because he doesn’t want to get runover. He needs to have his ego taken down a peg on that front. Not sure it will ever happen.

6. I’m much more worried about offense (wr and line) than anything on defense.

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by fsu44 on Apr 17, 2011 3:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Dent still has plenty of time to adjust mentally

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by NoleThruandThru on Apr 17, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

But despite making a bunch of catches, he didn’t seem to be doing the little things correctly that will vault him up the depth chart THIS season.

We have a bunch of receivers, but no elite ones (at least not at this point)

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by fsu44 on Apr 17, 2011 3:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I really think Haulstead is on the verge.

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm on the Haulstead bangwagon

Think he can play physical. Will be a dependable guy. Dont see the homerun threat but believe he is a guy who can and will get it done.

Would rather it be Rodney Smith I’m talking about because from a talent standpoint that dude has loads.

And wondering out loud….How much does Kelvin Benjamin fit in? His talent level is immense and I just wonder how long it will be before he is making plays.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think KB redshirts

Needs to get in playing shape…not even close to being ready.

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by CornNole on Apr 17, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think the weight he's put on is bad weight?

The only reason that I ask is I don’t know why the coaches (other than for coach speak purposes) would admit to his weight being that high unless it was a positive

by paperjames on Apr 17, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll quantify it as this...

I saw he and Coker walk in about 5 min apart. Both are tall kids, and Coker looked like a damn bodybuilder. Looked like a kid that was already on college team or in a college S&C program.

KB just looked a little “flabby” to me. Huge difference between he and a guy like Rodney Smith (which is obviously to be expected).

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by CornNole on Apr 17, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope so. But that's not really the point I was making.

But the question was “how long till he impacts”…and I answered based on what I say, basically saying “Probably not in 2011”.

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by CornNole on Apr 17, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

rumor is

He may not even qualify fwiw

by Ocalanole on Apr 18, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Last I heard he was on track.

by Jturner01 on Apr 19, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely think KB redshirts if he even makes it on campus

Bad weight aside, I don’t think he can comprehend jimbo’s playbook, too complicated, he’ll need a while to digest the routes especially without EEing imo

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

besides we have a solid group of receivers as it is

no need to have him waste a year

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

the fact that everyone mentions a different guy

in terms of who they think is about to break out, I think just proves my point that no one knows who the guy is going to be.

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by fsu44 on Apr 18, 2011 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is so young I wouldn't necessarily expect him to have a handle on the little things

Said it last year and I will say it again this year, watch for Kenny Shaw. He has consistently run the best routes on the team since he set foot on campus last year and I think he’ll be productive this year. His routes remind me of Kez McCorvey. Weight/strength is his vice right now.

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by NoleThruandThru on Apr 17, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems he's expected to play MiLB and not football this fall.

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by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really impressed with Dawkins burst.

Looks like he gained a lot of good weight too. Much larger than last year. It will be interesting to see if he can stay healthy and be that pressure force we’ve been lacking in the middle since, Fluellen?

Glad to see Parks getting some PBU’s practice or no. Joyner was in on a number of passing plays where Parks and Moody were absent most of last year (Parks came on a little at the end I believe, ’10).

Freeman looks like a great balanced back. Big enough to take hits, great cut, doesn’t dance at all. I’m excited, I can see him getting 3rd string reps dependent on how fast he can pick up the blocking.

I think our secondary as a squad was impressive. I understand there was ton of pressure and not much time, but still I expected to see a couple more broken routes. Was pleasantly surprised that I did not.

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea im glad to see that from Parks too.

he’s playing with more confidence SO FAR, he impressed me.

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by Marcus Keepzit Onehundred on Apr 17, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely looks like he’s more comfortable out there. you could tell he was reacting more than thinking.

by BGd on Apr 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Parks played an excellent, excellent game.

He looked like a safety out there. Who knew?

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by CornNole on Apr 17, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya i agree with that

thought Parks look much improved. Looks like the weight he lost increased his quickness and he must have put in some good hours studying the playbook because he looked to be in great position on a lot of plays.

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The few times I noticed him

he tried to and delivered big shots but didn’t maintain his blocks well. My interpretation was that he is more than willing to block but just hasn’t been coached on it much.

by PSLNOLE on Apr 17, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was just smaller than every dude I saw him try to block.

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by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

CJF has little tolerance for studipity

and our traditional stable of backs always seem to find a way into doghouse status over missed assignments.

As the only (is that right) skill position EE, Freeman may be able to learn the offense (and have fewer blown assignments) than our standard issue tailback (thus exempting LP) of the last 10 years.

And I was really impressed with his hands; he made a couple of good catches on balls thrown slightly off target.

by gambelero3 on Apr 17, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pryor has like 20-30 pounds and maybe 3" on Freeman.

Not really comparable imo. And I recall seeing most of Pryor’s decleaters coming while blocking on running plays. I remember seeing Freeman getting jacked a few times trying to pass block. He definitely did his job. Just got lit up a bit.

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by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he did about as expected.

Not very good…although on some of the plays, it was a bumrush, so it was hard to see, but I thought he was about as good as an EE could’ve been.

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by CornNole on Apr 17, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud ...

I disagree. I dont think EJ looked very good. part of it wsa not being able to get into a rhythm but it look like his passes were sailing again and lacked zip. No love for Greg Dent?

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by camfsu04e on Apr 17, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody who thinks ej lacked zip

Needs to back and watch highlights from 2009. So much better now. Not even close in my opinion.

by BenDNole on Apr 17, 2011 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep. Throwing into tight coverage =/= lack of arm strength.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you have no time, db's can key on the timing of the drop.

Add the vanilla plays (all well known ones you said earlier), the fact that most of the first team defense played on Garnet and a lackluster showing from the tight end and most of the receivers, what else would you expect?

by gambelero3 on Apr 17, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying he's better than 2009 doesn't mean some of his passes weren't floaters, though.

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by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ didnt look good at all as a whole. I dont know how anyone could say he had a good performance in general.

Even on the wide open throws he floated them in (confidence maybe?). But he did have that 50-60 yard throw without even planting his foot. Still he showed little to nothing that brings great confidence besides he can roll out and take off. If anyone thinks he looks like a great starting D1 QB than we cant be friends anymore.

Clint actually reminded me of Ponder a few times. The kid gets it, his mechanics were very sound. Too bad his body doesnt call for a starting QB, cause he could of been great (this isnt Rudy, guy will get killed out there if that right side doesnt block better).

Freeman looked good. He took on a bunch of blocks in passing situations and slowed or stopped the rush. He also got obliterated by someone! :/

Its hard to tell if our secondary is that good. But its a nice change of pace being able to hide any secondary woes with a KILLER DLine.

All in all I am very pleased with the defensive side of the ball. Coley called an awful game for Gold but I guess its a limited playbook? Or he was only allowed to call certain schemes? Not sure why the play selection was made but Garnets was ALOT better. Everyone said in the roster thread before the game Gold basically had our starting OLine. I REALLY HOPE NOT.

We have a stable of running backs that could steal playing time at just about any major program. So I hope we get to see them running through holes.

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he floated them. I think he threw them too much on a line.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

When?

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The deep balls. I think he needed to give them more of a chance to run under it. He’ll figure that out. I was more annoyed with some high throws.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the throw to Shaw over the middle

Needed less arm, more touch. Ball was on so much of a line he overthrew him by 10 yards

by paperjames on Apr 17, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I think he is getting used to his new big arm. He was hurt so much of his career, has he ever had an arm like this? I think not.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hope so...

but just happy that there’s roughly 4.5 months before things get serious. Not that the G&G game worried me, it just didn’t give me added confidence.

by SFLOnole on Apr 17, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

the wind was only blowing about 25mph.

Keep in mind ej had backup receivers, starting corners, and was working more of the playbook. We saw the same issue with Ponder 2 years ago when that kid from Wakulla threw for 350 yards. Then he transferred to North Alabama.

So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.

by Ponder This on Apr 17, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

Did Hopkins kick with or into the wind? I assume with, but when trying to remember the direction he was kicking, it almost seems like it was against (maybe there was a lull?).

by Invictus13 on Apr 17, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He doesn't know

In his interview he said that it was against him the entire game, but it might have died down around then. Either way, he doesn’t remember

by MWM Nole on Apr 18, 2011 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

On his

60 yarder, the wind had actually calmed at that point. The orange flags at the top of the goal post to indicate wind direction were laid down, non blowing.

by CPNole on Apr 18, 2011 5:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Against..

There where also pit bulls biting his plant leg and Chuck Norris roundhouse kicking him in the head…Didn’t matter.

by RunninNole5 on Apr 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he is Chuck Norris...

Would explain his leg strength. Don’t tell Chuck Dustin I wrote this

by MWM Nole on Apr 18, 2011 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

no idea

Where he floated anything, if anything he threw way to hard on quite a few. Deep balls were rockets not much arc.

by Ocalanole on Apr 17, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charlie!

You do realize that the best QB to ever play at FSU threw 13 picks the first 4 games he started. Lets not rush to judgement based on the spring game. EJ had no time and was not throwing to his main targets together as a unit. The passing game will be fine.

by TallyBoy on Apr 17, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does one look impressive

when the ball needs to be out in less then a second? Really think you are putting to much weight into the eye test of a spring game and not the fundamentals of where’d he throw it, was it a catchable ball, did he force things.

The answers show that he did force things at times and never did get into a solid rythym. But then consider a lot of the guys he is used to throwing it two were on the other side of the ball.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In EJ’s defense, I was there, and the wind had to be blowing 20-25 mph. And how can he get into a rythym when he has no protection and is getting “sacked” constantly ( I only saw two plays that would have actually resulted in sacks, had it been a tackle game). He looked very good in the drills and short-mid range passes, sailed two deep passes, but got that one at the end. He has been hittin the weight room too. OT. Miami’s game is on CSS.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What two? I thought three or four would have been sacks.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

On one, he was trotted backwards about ten yards and just held on to the ball and got sacked (resulting in Jimbo screaming so loud at him I could hear it from the second row), and on the other, two linemen got free into the backfield and he got touched from both sides.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 5:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The guy looked thick through the shoulders no doubt.

I refuse to say EJ looked very good at anything. He didnt. The one he got at the end? Thank Bert. Both deep balls that were caught were under thrown and he sailed two as well. But you did say it was very windy? Maybe I am expecting too much from EJ.

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heres a direct quote from Jimbo
“That’s about what I expected [Team Garnet finishing with 168 yards and Team Gold with 253]. We actually scored more than I thought we would. We are just too banged-up up front that it’s hard to tell either way. It’s hard to tell on offense and it’s hard to tell on defense. The kids played hard and that’s what I was happy about. Played hard, made a few plays here and there and fought through it pretty much unscathed and get ready to get better in the fall, get everybody healthy and get them back.” -FSU coach Jimbo Fisher

I’m gonna defer to the guy who gets paid millions and say I take from the spring increase bulk and arm strength from EJ.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does that have to do with me saying EJ didnt look good? EJ also said he didnt look good.

I understand thats not our 1st team squad. Not discussing that at all.

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just throwing that up

Based on your comment of expectations. It would seem you expected something that wasn’t really possible. Its really hard to exceed expectations giving the limitations around. I agree with you that EJ didn’t “look” good, but there in lies the difference is that I dont have the expertise to know what he should look like. All I see is results but I have to expect the process was better then the results given he issues at hand

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand

and went to the game hoping I’d see the offense light it up out there. But considering I’ve never seen the offense light it up… (And maybe jimbo has a lot to do with that) I just have to temper expectations and hope.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The thing about a process...

you can never “see” it. I’m sure you know that, had to say it anyway. No single outcome can prove or disprove the effectiveness of a process. 10-4, top recruiting classes, dedicated spring and summer activity, positive attitudes, suggest things are working according to plan. Good day, bad day?

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by fmnole on Apr 18, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't they mention audibles...

and how more than a few times, EJ would have checked us out of certain plays? B/c it’s only Spring and (replayed on ESPN), CJF just preferred them to run whatever was called.

If so, it seems EJ was forced to throw into situations he probably could have gotten out of pre- snap.

by FOshizzleFSU on Apr 17, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think I am putting alot of weight at all into yesterday.

Just expecting more out of Manuel. This was JImbos guy right? Well show me why.

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reply wasn't to you per se but....

-Gator Bowl MVP….
-After a terrible performance…Two minute drill for the win to save Bobby’s losing season record and bowl streak
-Beat Clemson after gettting destoryed all game by our lack of OL
- Played really good against VT in terrible game conditions in Charlotte
- Came through in the CLUTCH to beat a really good USC defense and ended any hope of a comeback. Wasn’t he something like 5/5 on 3rd downs in that drive?

Expecting a qb to work magic with no protection is pointless to try and evaluate results. I’m not Jimbo, nor a qb coach, nor a guy who knows enough about technique to be an expert. What I do know, is that Jimbo liked some of what he saw out of EJ and with a comments like this

“Overall, I didn’t feel that I had a good day. The defense played great. I really don’t have any excuses. I wanted to go out and have a great showing and I didn’t. It’s the spring game and obviously you want to have a great showing and I personally don’t think I did that. I made some mistakes that I shouldn’t have made and I am not going to make any excuses for them.” -EJ Manuel who finished 17 of 36 for 204 yards with 2 Int’s and 6 sacks.
I’m fine with that.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

i liked this quote from him

he knows what needs to be done…Not too worried about it. He and Jimbo will get everything together before Sept. 3rd and perfect it before OU

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The signifigance of yesterday's game is not that great.

We still have a long way to go, but we have a long time to get there.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 6:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Only thing

I pulled from yesterday’s game was a helluva hangover

by Ocalanole on Apr 17, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

When?

when has Jimbo lied to the media? He plays his cards close to his chest but that is just a generally good idea when in the public eye.

by stop drop & nole on Apr 18, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has happened.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 18, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every time he mentions a guy's weight.

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by tricknole on Apr 19, 2011 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dent was just there

Fisher didn’t have much good to say about him and quickly changed the subject. Wasn’t happy with his route running, it appears.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Regardless I have all the faith in the world CJF wont let myself or any of us down.

He will have these boys ready to play.

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Side note.

Do we pray Cokers a stud? Or hope Trick puts on 50 lbs?

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

He doesn’t need 50 pounds.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what I mean.

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

He needs to get bigger, and I think he already has somewhat. I don’t see us contending for a championship in 2013 anyway, considering the rather large losses, having to travel to Gainesville, the screwed up schedule, etc. My guess is He’ll be asked to steward the team that year.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And for reference, here is what FSU loses following 2012

EJ Manuel *
C. Thompson

L. Pryor
D. Smiley*
R. Smith
W. Haulstead

R. Sanderson* (G)
J. Fahrenkrug (G)

J. McDaniel (DT)
E. Dawkins* (DT)
M. McCray* (DT)
A. McCloud* (DT)
B. Jenkins (DE)
C. Carradine (DE)
T. Stevens* (DE)
V. Williams *

G. Reid (CB)
N. Moody* (S)
A. Commack* (CB)

D. Hopkins (K)

And that doesn’t include Juniors, like Christian Jones and Xavier Rhodes, who I think are locks to go early.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ugh....

2012 or bust eh? 2014 already!!

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

2012 could be a very good year.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heres hoping the coaches get us restocked for 2013. Thats a bit sobering.

QB situation is going to suck after EJ. I think we will have the talent at back. The receivers as well “should” be ok on paper? The defensive line takes a bigggg hit :/

Losing hopkins is big! Rhodes and Reid :(

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by numberonenole on Apr 17, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

There isn’t much that can be done. 2013 will be one of those lesser years, just because of cycles. It’s not a video game and sometimes there just isn’t much you can do.

Also, I think Rhodes is gone after this year.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

QB situation will not suck

As of right now I believe Coker can be very special.

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the year I marked as FSU being "back"

Once BB left. I only anticipated 8 wins last year (regular season), thought we’d get to 10 this year, and return to the elite in 2012.

Of course, if Jimbo wants to move everything up a year (he moved my Year 2 into Year 1), I’m fine with that. :)

by Invictus13 on Apr 17, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not concerned with winning national titles. I’m concerned with consistently being among the elite. Titles are a function of doing that, scheduling (which FSU doesn’t do well), and luck with injuries & bounces.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not concerned with MNC's

because being consistently elite means NC’s are possible…unless your Mike Martin in the 90’s..

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Bowden should have won 2-3 more, but various circumstances didn’t happen, or did happen.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries had a fair bit to do with one

and the other was a rematch which now isn’t possible…

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always told people that Bowden should have won at least four

I was so pissed after losing to OU because I knew we’re losing alot from a personel standpoint and that we may not contend again for awhile. Boy, should I have known!

by westcoastnolefan on Apr 17, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

I would love for us to be like Ohio State. An elite team year in and year out, always contending, and almost always playing in a BCS game. With a little luck, they have found themselves in a couple title games.

by Shooter McFrattin on Apr 18, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we're on our way

Our WRs don’t scare anyone either.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 22, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

“On what slender threads do life and fortune hang”

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by FSUvaFan on Apr 18, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

 And for reference, here is what FSU loses following 2012

EJ Manuel * – Trickett/Coker … significant downgrade
C. Thompson – Freeman/Pender/Wilder Jr…upgrade

L. Pryor – Beverly…downgrade
D. Smiley*
R. Smith – Green/Shaw..upgrade
W. Haulstead – Benjamin/Greene…even, maybe slight upgrade

R. Sanderson* (G) – Stork/Hart etc upgrade
J. Fahrenkrug (G) – Matias/Prestwood etc… too early to tell so even

J. McDaniel (DT) – Jernigan… too early to tell – even
E. Dawkins* (DT) – Cummings – even
M. McCray* (DT) – Erving – upgrade
A. McCloud* (DT) – Stample/Mitchell – upgrade
B. Jenkins (DE) – Casher – downgrade but really early
C. Carradine (DE) – Edwards Jr. – upgrade
T. Stevens* (DE) – Werner/ Fowler – upgrade
V. Williams * – Luc – upgrade

G. Reid (CB) – Joyner (if moves back to cb) – upgrade
N. Moody* (S) – Williams – huge upgrade
A. Commack* (CB) – Waisome/Hunter etc – too early to tell but i like waisome

D. Hopkins (K) – Aguayo – too early to tell.. both very high rated K out of college but hopkins obviously is more proven

This is FAR from an exhaustive list… Just some names off the top of my head
*
These are my opinions of how the replacements will perform compared in 2013 compared to how the original players will play in 2012.
Feel free to make your own opinions/predictions

by newdynastynole on Apr 17, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

forgot a subject line

just wanted to make a list of how our team might look like and overcome these losses and compare the levels of play…

by newdynastynole on Apr 17, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 17, 2011 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing I'd say here

is that I’d agree based on potential, but theres a difference between potential and production see- Ty Jones etc. I’m not going to lump any of those players in as mental cases, just sitting back with some degree of caution.

by fsugrizz on Apr 17, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree with some of the upgrade/downgrades, but a good visual nonetheless.

May or may not be in the national title picture but should still be competing at a high level and for the conference title.

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by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

assuming we get Taylor...

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say a good 30+.

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by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami is looking very nice

They are getting good runs, and Harris is making all the throws.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 6:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I thought Harris' numbers showed he had a pretty poor day?

Not Brantley poor, but still poor.

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by tricknole on Apr 17, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miami has good/better RBs than FSU and a big OL

WRs w/out Hankerson still impressive for at least ’11, lets see if they can get a QB who get the ball to them consistently. The DL is still really good and will be their strong point on the D. The LBs will be a big Q mark. Spence is obviously their best but undersized. If they just play fundamental football they will be decent.

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sure?

Miami’s D-line hasn’t impressed me at all judging by the #‘s FSU and VT put up on them and how easily Miami’s offense runs on them.

by FTSNole on Apr 18, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel pretty confident in that.

The Miami game last year was about the only game FSU had all of its OLmen healthy and playing. That’s where the Trickett got his love from Herbie. Miami’s problem this year is lack of talent in the secondary and depth in the LBs. Not to mention they have a good OL a really good OL coach and really good RBs. They will be able to run it.

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by harper.rb on Apr 18, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

slight correction-

they have someone who was a really good OL coach more than a decade ago.

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by PeachTreeNole on Apr 18, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Good, what makes you think better RB's?

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by FS4Nole on Apr 19, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like this team!

Very hard to say if we’re a top 5 or top 10 team right now. I think we have the potential to be either. While this group lacks tremendous first round type talent it makes up for in incredible depth. I can’t remember a team that has this kind of depth at nearly every position on defense. We need a couple of very good players to step up and be GREAT. I think Freeman is the best we’ve had since WD. Reminds me of a bigger, faster Amp Lee. If our OL stay’s healthy our balance on Offense could be makes us a top 10-15 offense. I see us as a top 5-10 defense and top 2-3 Special teams. Because of the experience and depth of this team and very strong special teams play also, this could be a VERY good FSU TEAM!

by FSUALLTHEDAMNTIME! on Apr 17, 2011 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven't seen anyone mention this

I LOVED Jimbo’s decision to NOT kick the FG for the gold team win. Dustin Hopkins had already proved himself with 4 or 5 FG’s all made. Excellent call also on that last play. They didn’t play the replay on the monitors, and I was on the 30 yard line on the opposite side of the field, so I didn’t see all of it, but my friend said it was razor close. Gold team didn’t deserve the win if they couldn’t make that play. Who was that one guy who said in the pre game thread Garnet team would win?? Props to that guy, even though you lost me 50$. : )

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 8:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If you're betting on the Spring game

… you may have a problem

Florida State 45 Miami 17
Florida State 31 Florida 7
State Champions
ACC Atlantic Division Champions

by SeminoleMike on Apr 17, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Was meant as a joke. I only bet on my son’s baseball games. : )

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 10:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agree with Jimbo's call there

What was interesting to me was that it seemed Jimbo was angry with the sideline coaches for calling a timeout instead of spiking the ball. Then, when the tackle was made at the 2, there weren’t anymore timeouts left and the clock expired. Good lesson to learn and one that seemed like Jimbo wouldn’t have made.

by scalp n spank on Apr 17, 2011 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't wait till next weeks game.

Wait, what was that…… NNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Miami

Jacory Harris and Stephen Morris both threw 2 INTS in Miami’s game FYI.

Things have changed in the state of Florida……

by Mr. Smith on Apr 17, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe we was referring to 4 cumulative INT's?

That’s the only thing I could think of after reading, cuz EJ definitely did 2 (A pick 6 even)

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by CornNole on Apr 17, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of those was bobbled, EJ laid down a perfect pass on that one

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Meant that for DKfromVA

But okay.

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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 11:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

May have been a good throw but it was a terrible read

He didn’t clear the safety in the middle of the field. It should’ve been picked and was.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Apr 18, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really like his style. Good size, good cuts.

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by harper.rb on Apr 17, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He and Tank had a nice performance

I called it Friday.

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill

by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 17, 2011 11:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You called what?

Tyranny is tyranny. Let it come from where it may.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 17, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

"It." You know, that one movie clown.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Apr 18, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes. the way he hits top gear immediately reminds me of Archie Griffin. We haven't had one with that style in some time.

I’ll just deeeply apologize in advance to anyone who is deeply offended by this analogy, thinks “he looks more like player X”, or doesn’t like comparisons.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire

by PeachTreeNole on Apr 18, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

He reminds me more of a Red Grange.

Not to put all that pressure on him.

So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.

by Ponder This on Apr 18, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilder ???

Hey where was James Wilder and is he still going to be at RB or LB ?

by MrFSNole on Apr 17, 2011 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

JWJ? He was not an early enrollee and thus was not involved in spring practice.

"This year I am focused on scoring. I want to score, along with getting good field position for the offense. I am going to try and score a little bit this year. I kinda miss the endzone a little bit." -G5

by DutchFSU on Apr 17, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

RB

until further notice.

Seminole football since 97

by Marcus Keepzit Onehundred on Apr 18, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heard

He’s on the verge of not even making it in. Was taking a test this weekend trying to qualify

by Ocalanole on Apr 18, 2011 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Any other rumors about non-qualifiers?

by gambelero3 on Apr 18, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s not a lock. Benjamin is not a lock. Beverly is not a lock. Jernigan might not be a lock.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is not to say that any of them are unlikely.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that to be an exaggeration of the situation.

He is taking a required test for school and decided to stay home and study rather than go out. Not as dramatic as you make it out to be.

"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer

by harper.rb on Apr 18, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give Trickett a break

Ponder only weighed 200 pounds when he showed up, 25 pounds more than Trickett. You never know, Joe Montana looked about like Trickett and he did alright. Trickett could be close to 190-200 pounds in another year.

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson

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by DocHoliday2 on Apr 18, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

That would take a lot of food - would probably make Elvis blush

Then again we could just learn from the mid 2000s and introduce Clint to the old nutrition program. Honey-drizzle chicken wings and mountain dew anyone?

by MWM Nole on Apr 18, 2011 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two words

Gut Box

So once again, Jones, what was briefly yours is now mine.

by Ponder This on Apr 18, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So in his 3rd year he might weigh 10 less pounds than Ponder did in his 1st year?

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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Apr 19, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had a private award ceremony for Cam Irvining after the game to give him the Lombardi Award

but then Bud said he was beating a walk on all day…..um,… Bud.. you are going to have to be the one to go ask for it back from him. :)

by 93noleman on Apr 18, 2011 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Erving*

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Apr 19, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

If there was ever a defense to play Cover 1/0

it’s this secondary. Holy cow – who can’t we match-up 1-on-1 with?

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Apr 18, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. Really think ‘Nole fans will be disappointed with the season if FSU doesn’t beat OU. Shouldn’t be that way.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 18, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not me.

We can lose that game and still have a great season. Like X, I’d prefer not to be embarrassed. Besides, the following game against Clemson is much more important.

by Invictus13 on Apr 18, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think most

got a big dose of reality last year and would be happy to play them close into the fourth.

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Apr 18, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disappointed with the game if it's not very competitive.

Disappointed with the season if we don’t beat at least one of UF/Miami and win the ACC.

MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick

by tricknole on Apr 19, 2011 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well if we go 11-1 (yes I know it isn't likely)

I’ll be REALLY disappointed that we didn’t beat OU.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 22, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

On a long enough timeline

everyone’s life expectancy drops to zero.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Apr 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

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