Young (Really Young) Cam Erving Emerging For Florida State
Cameron Erving is coming off an impressive spring. Two talented writers in Coley Harvey and Adam Tolliver authored articles on him last week, so I won't attempt to re-invent the wheel by writing a new piece on Erving.
From Harvey:
"The guy inside has girth," Fisher said, explaining the benefits of a 6-foot-5, 300-pound defensive tackle. "Big guys do more by accident than they do on purpose. They eat space up. They get their arms in the way."
They make entire defenses better.
At least, Erving's teammates seem to think so.
For those headed to FSU's spring game Saturday afternoon and looking for a player to keep an eye on, look no further than the massive body locking down the interior of the line, some FSU defenders say. In their eyes, the redshirt freshman from South Georgia has had a spring so impressive that he could be a key contributor in the fall ... and for seasons to come.
"He's really starting to play a little bit and get the feel for (the game)," linebacker and former high school rival Telvin Smith said. "Really what he's starting to do here is get in space and fill his gaps and really hold his position down."
Erving has played so well that Fisher is excited about his future at FSU.
"Cam Erving is going to be a big-time football player before it's all over with," Fisher said.
And Tolliver:
Now let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, this does not mean that Erving is going to start or even get an incredibly prominent amount of snaps immediately. There are several talented veterans ahead of him on the depth chart and he has a ton of real game experience to gain. Nonetheless, his progress and performance being ahead of schedule is something that is incredibly valuable for the FSU defense. If Erving can provide functional depth as a redshirt freshman it will benefit Florida State immensely, as last season this was non-existent and began to take it's toll on the starters late in the season with injuries and fatigue. Not only does he have the ability to keep the starters' legs fresh, but he will be an effective weapon against the run in his own right while gaining precious experience in preparation for the day when he takes a bulk of defensive snaps.
But I will point out something that is yet to be discussed: his age.
Erving, a red-shirt freshman doesn't turn 19 until late August! You may not realize this, but a shocking amount of college prospects are considerable older than their grade level, typically due to being held back at an early age. Erving is the opposite. He's still learning to play with and use his big, awkward body to his advantage. There's a lot of room for optimism here. In comparison, Darious Cummings (a good player in his own right), also a 2nd-year player, is sixteen months older than Erving. It makes a big difference, as the development from 17 to 18 is bigger than 18 to 19, which is bigger than 19 to 20, etc.
Curious as to how old FSU's other defensive linemen are? 4th-year junior Toshmon Stevens (22), 2nd-year sophomore Bjoern Werner (20- turns 21 by opening day), 3rd-year junior Jacobbi McDaniel (21- turns 22 during season), 4th-year junior Moses McCray (21), 4th-year junior Anthony "Amp" McCloud (21- turns 22 during season), 3rd-year sophomore Demonte McAllister (21), 3rd-year sophomore Dan Hicks (20, turns 21 in season), 3rd-year junior Brandon Jenkins (21), 4th-year junior Everett Dawkins (21), not sure on Tank Carradine.
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I feel happier already.
Depth and size at the DL, cheers to that!
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Credits are different from eligibility
Academically, he might be a junior, but he’s only a SO for us (woo hoo!).
Yes
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 19, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad that he's having a good spring
The more d-lineman we get to shirt the better. Since Erving is playing so well, I take it that Moses McCray’s days may be numbered as a Nole.
by Matt Champion on Apr 19, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Moses is a good worker with a body that has repeatedly failed him. He is determined to provide for his family, whether that be through football or via a regular job after getting his degree.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 19, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes sir Moses is a great Nole
who has not had any luck with injuries at all. Whether he remains at FSU or not, I hope he succeeds in whatever he attempts to do whether it be football or a regular job.
by Matt Champion on Apr 19, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The three who are likely to get Med DQs (my opinion) have all been great ’Noles. Tough, gritty, no off-field trouble ever (Gehres, Spurlock, McCray).
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 19, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see Spurlock wiping his butt with his med DQ
He’ll eventually have to accept it, but he won’t like it.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
That is what doctors must do.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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That's what is good about the medical DQ
they can’t play football but they still get their degree which is better than not playing football and not having a degree. On Spurlock, better for him to stop playing now because I don’t want him to become like Mike Webster.
by Matt Champion on Apr 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This is great -we can now recruit DL and not have to play them for at least 2 years from this point forward
What are you glorifying with your life?
And only 2 years go we were so razor thin on the DL that we almost had to put Gehres out there at DE
Just kidding…
And your comment, although it can easily be read on a very superficial level, can also be reflected on by anyone who remembers the 2009 D. Those who actually think about your statement, ponder it, shower it in cerebral love, and wash it down with a warm glass of perspective, will truly understand “the turnaround” that this staff has accomplished in just 2 short years.
If FSU comes close to their defensive projections in 2011, I would hope that this “turnaround” would be examined, analyzed, and dissected by those that have the means (hint hint), so that even the most ignorant of football fans can understand how truly freaking ridiculous an achievement this has been.
Just an unbelievable job…You HAVE to wonder what other coach in the country could have orchestrated it as well as Fisher did.
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We might as well had put Gehres at DE
Better than starting a walk-on against Miami…
Speaking of Allen
Where is Yarborough at? I figured he’d be giving Tank, Jenkins, and the Germinator a run for some PT.
by NoleySmokes on Apr 19, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This reminds me of the man-child Bobby Hart
What is he, 16? You can easily imagine him being 320-330 lbs.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
gatornation - ungracious in victory, arrogant in defeat
First year our DL has looked "Big" since, well, I can't remember when
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One of Cam's sacks was against Stock. He didn't exclusively face walkons. The guy was just on fire in the 4th Qtr.
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a little off subject, but what should we expect out of Jaccobi McDaniel?
Will he ever be an All-ACC type defensive tackle? I would think if any year if he were to break out, it would be this year…
"Get ready to change people's attitudes of you"-Jimbo Fisher
by WinstonSalemNole on Apr 19, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions
A player with good talent who has been stunted in his growth a bit by playing too early, adding too much weight before his freshman year (because we needed him to not be 270ish), and injuries.
I actually think his senior year will be his breakout year. I am hoping for solid this year. Give him a healthy off-season and Spring.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 19, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really, really agree here
A player with good talent who has been stunted in his growth a bit by playing too early, adding too much weight before his freshman year (because we needed him to not be 270ish), and injuries.
So unfortunate for him that he came in during a time where we needed him to play as a freshman and add bad weight quickly. Definitely hurt his career prospects.
>>---l>
Didn't Jaccobi and Dawkins both play reasonably well until they got hurt half through the season?
McDaniel is in a tough spot IMHO because he just doesn’t look like he can get big enough to be a natural 1-T but isn’t as athletic or as good as Dawkins. So he seems to be destined to be a 1-T DT.
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Yeah, pretty sure McDaniel had elbow/arm issues throughout the season
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
If McDaniel lost some of the "bad" weight
Would it improve his quickness enough to change positions now that we have some bigger guys to handle NT?
by NoleySmokes on Apr 19, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve thought that. Not sure.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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His body doesn't allow him to play the 3-tech much.
He lacks the length. He will have to make his living as a very athletic 1-tech.
I think he will be a very good player before all is said & done. Needs to add a pass rush arsenal as well as necessary strength/power.
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by DRusso97 on Apr 19, 2011 7:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ya i like *jacobbi's situation right now
he finally doesn’t have to play every single down. Man must have been exhausted by the 3rd and 4th quarters these past 2 yrs.
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I agree
He’s been taking a pounding in those trenches, the depth should help him immensely
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by WinstonSalemNole on Apr 19, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus the cheap shots
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UxKX0t-mYk
What are you glorifying with your life?
agree. He was obviously in front of McDaniel, just a simple chop block
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
I agree, but careful with the use of "chop" there
It is technically a “cut” block – aka – a legal block below the knees. A chop block (or “high-low”) is where a guy is engaged with a blocker (usually both locked up high) and a 2nd blocker hits him in the knees. That is illegal and dangerous.
What are you glorifying with your life?
no. your right. meant cut block
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
It was a cheap shot.
I have no problem with a cut block, but when you cut the knees of a DT who slowed down after the back is 10 yards down field, you have nothing but bad intentions.At that point it doesn’t make him any less likely to be in on the play as it would if you gave him a simple shoulder-high shove. He was knee hunting pure and simple.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
I don't think so. He couldn't know where the ball was or what the player was doing
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
He saw McDaniel slow down.
Anyone who had played a contact sport in high school or above, knows that is when a player is susceptible to serious injury. When they slow down their body relaxes. That’s why guys usually don’t deliver a big shot when someone slows down. And I don’t remember seeing FSU players knee hunting people who stop running. If they did, I’d call them out too.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
I completley disagree with your play diagnosis
A) Mc gets caught upfield, turns around, and attempts to get downfield to make a tackle if able. Hermann was in between the play and the defender. His job is to stop Mc.
B) Hermann is eligible to cut block since he is still within the line of scrimmage.
C) The cut occurred with McD facing Hermann. It is not Hermann’s fault that McD took his eyes off the blocker to focus on the ballcarrier.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Once more
I’m not saying he broke the rules. Hines Ward goes out every week and tries to end someones career legally every week. I guarantee you he’s not surprised at all be the reaction he gets from people.Oh and by the way, he is not respected by his peers and that says something.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
I guess we disagree on what constitutes a cheap shot
I say a cheap shot is illegal. You are arguing that some things are legal that qualify as cheap shots.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Absolutely
When someone unnecessarily (something you wouldn’t teach a kid to do to another kid) hits a player in a blatant attempt to injure them, it’s a cheap shot. Why is it not ok to purposefully take out a child’s ACL but it’s just fine to do that to a GAM?
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
i'm looking forward to our matchup this year! Here's to FSU being back, Gators being mediocre
this coming year should be great years for both our teams, win or lose Sept 17th. I’m planning on showing up so i expect a great game
"Stoops, Brown polar opposites : One demands accountability; other pats backs" -Kirk Bohls
I'll be there too
and I hope we put up a much better fight than we did last year.
by Matt Champion on Apr 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Have we found
our 0/1 Tech DT for the future?
Also, the kid got a bad image after the OU game. Cynicism is used to deal with a stressful situation. Being a former Law Enforcement Officer, it is a common coping mechanism.
I am sure as hell glad we kept him!!!!!!
by LincolnHighNole on Apr 19, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions
I think AMP is your 0/1 right now, and Cam, who still has a lot of room to grow, could do it in like 2013.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Speaking of 0/1
I like staying in the 4-3. With more and more BCS teams going 3-4, that leaves more 5* WDE available for us to recruit.
What are you glorifying with your life?
absodoodilootly
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
*not named Ray Drew
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by ricobert1 on Apr 19, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Where are the stats for the Saturday's?
Link?
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
Saturday's game*
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions
I have a question for you guys.
Wasn’t Cam the big dummy on the sideline last year at OU that was laughing after pushing a OU player to the ground.
At least he tackled better than the players on the field that day.
by CoasterNole on Apr 19, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, its been mentioned a bit.
Also, the kid got a bad image after the OU game. Cynicism is used to deal with a stressful situation. Being a former Law Enforcement Officer, it is a common coping mechanism.
I am sure as hell glad we kept him!!!!!!
by LincolnHighNole on Apr 19, 2011 10:31 AM PDT reply actions
Jimbo afterward said it was dealt with. He didn’t know it happened at the time, and like Bud said Cam is younger than most on the team. It really was a childish act.
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Lets hope he's matured. Lol, I can't keep myself from laughing now though.
To be losing 44-7 and smile at the camera after doing something like that… it was just so asinine.
Reminds me of some unbearably embarassing things I did (granted I was younger).
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Illegal hands to the face?
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - John Steward on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
by harper.rb on Apr 19, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It's only illegal if you get caught...
I can’t remember how many times I grabbed/pushed/pulled an OL facemask over 15 years or so……only recall being flagged once.
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by DRusso97 on Apr 19, 2011 7:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They've done studies you know,
60% of the time, it works, every time
by Noleforever9399 on Apr 19, 2011 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna be honest with you, it smells like pure gasoline.
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That was him, but careful with the wording there
He was what, 18 years old at the time? I did some stuff on the football field that I would never do outside of football when I was 17/18. Don’t think it’s necessary to call him a big dummy
well it was a dumb thing to do and he's big...just sayin
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Yes, though he acted like a big dummy, I’m not sure he is a big dummy otherwise. We’ve all done things of which we are not proud.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I killed a guy with a trident
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Apr 19, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I pooped in the refrigerator and ate a whole wheel of cheese
by TonySopraNOLE on Apr 19, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
some class, please
keep the excrement in the laundry basket
"They quit. Jimbo, they quit."
by NorthernHaze on Apr 19, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember
being pissed during the game when I saw him laughing, but now… I have to admit, just the picture itself, the look on his face, is cracking me the F up.
"Yes, we won a national championship." — Fisher on if he had ever had a top ranked class before.
I like a little nasty
In my lineman(offense or defense). Hopefully, he’ll be “on” the field this time.
by NoleySmokes on Apr 19, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I publicly RECANT.
I have publicly downplayed Cam Erving. Not out of an agenda…I just didn’t think he would ever be good enough to hold off the younger guys.
I WAS WRONG
Watching him in the Spring Game, his natural athleticism and size/length are impressive. He is raw as HELL, but he has a staff to get him where he needs to be.
I don’t think he will necessarily be a star, but I see him as a potential starting 1-tech (paired with Jernigan at the 3) in 2013/14.
Good job Cam…..keep growing.
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by DRusso97 on Apr 19, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
His age changed my opinion. Being that young gives hope for more growth and development than normal.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Was waiting on your comment here Russo
#smugAdam.
But no seriously if Erving is going to play he will definitely still have to earn it. He’s only one of many potential studs on the inside over the next couple years.
I wasn't going to comment on your article #smugAdam because nobody would see it there.
I am very happy to be shown to be wrong…
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It's amazing how good of a coach Odell is when he doesn't have deal with a bunch of BS
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