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Coming off a 10-win season and the top-ranked recruiting class in the country, Florida State is heavily hyping 2011. The hype is justified as the 'Noles seem to once again have top-10-type talent and are the favorite to win the ACC. But while excited about 2011, those inside the program are downright giddy over the prospects of 2012. The 2012 team should be considerably stronger and the schedule could set up better.

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The Schedule

In an even-numbered year, FSU draws the Florida Gators at home and travels to play the Miami Hurricanes. Given that the Swamp is much more inhospitable than Pro Player Stadium, this is the preferred route. Additionally, the 2012 Miami team is likely to be the worst non-probation Miami team since 2007, and before that, since the 1970s (more on this in a few weeks). There are additional difficult outs on the schedule, including a road trip to an ever-improving N.C. State program, as well as the trip to Blacksburgh to face the Virginia Tech Hokies. Additional road trips include the much- anticipated and foolishly-scheduled return trip to face the South Florida Bulls, which will likely feature more 'Nole fans than Bulls, given the ridiculously cheap ticket prices ($75 for an entire season). FSU will host the Clemson Tigers, the Boston College Eagles, the West Virginia Mountaineers, The Wake Forest Demon Deacons, the Murray State Racers, and the Duke Blue Devils. Yes, FSU needs to move either the West Virginia game or the USF game, as playing nine likely bowl teams, plus the ACC Championship game could wipe away a shot at a national championship due to attrition. FSU needs to fix the schedule to add an auto- win in order to work out kinks and or rest players. But the toughest game will likely be against the Gators, and that is at home. In fact, and this is a rarity, this is the type schedule that could see FSU get to the national championship with one loss, provided the loss is an early road loss, allowing the 'Noles to rip off something like nine consecutive wins to finish the year.

The Returning Team

Due to the substantial uptick in recruiting over the last few years, most of the departing seniors on Florida State's roster will be replaced by better players who just weren't quite ready to take over in 2011. Nobody is mistaking Jermaine Thomas or Ty Jones for stars, and Chris Thompson, Devonta Freeman, James Wilder Jr., and Mario Pender are more talented players. The same goes for the steady but unspectacular receiver duo of Taiwan Easterling and Bert Reed, who should be replaced by Greg Dent, Kenny Shaw, Jarred Haggins, and Christian Green, to say nothing of the existing starters Rodney Smith and Willie Haulstead. Guard David Spurlock isn't even a lock to play this year, given his concussions. Tight Ends Beau Reliford and Jabarris Little are decent college players, at best, and Florida State will have more talented players in Red-shirt sophomore Will Tye and true sophomore Nick O'Leary, who was the #1 tight end in the country in the most recent recruiting cycle. The 'Noles suffer no graduation losses on the defensive line and will have a legitimate argument for the best defensive line in the country. Linebacker Nigel Bradham will be missed, but he is a good player and not a superstar. Telvin Smith could replace him immediately and might even represent an upgrade if he continues to work in the weight room. Florida State will lose Nickel corner Mike Harris, who though not a starter, is a very fine player. The 'Noles, however, are hardly in a position to worry about replacing a situational player. Safety Terrance Parks, assuming he starts, would likely not do so in 2012 even if he had eligibility, thanks to Karlos Williams, one of the top safety prospects in memory.

That's not to disparage the departing seniors, many of whom carried the program through the end of the "Lost Decade", but rather to illustrate that the talent coming in is much greater than the talent coming out. Many of the players who will leave to graduation, had they had extra eligibility (theoretically), would be beaten out by younger, more talented players who will be ready to start thanks to an extra year of seasoning. This analysis does not account for the potential of juniors or 3rd-year sophomores leaving early for the NFL draft. Corner Xavier Rhodes has the potential, as does defensive end Brandon Jenkins.

But there is one position where that definitely does not appear to the case: offensive tackle.

What to do at offensive tackle in 2012? Florida State loses both Andrew Datko and Zebrie Sanders, two guys who started just about every game for the 'Noles at left and right tackle over the last four years. Both are likely to be NFL players, though health and performance this season will determine where. So who will replace these guys? There isn't a clear answer right now. Florida State will look to this group to find the answers (projected sizes):

Henry Orelus Rs-Jr 6'2" 305
Garrett Faircloth Rs-Jr 6'6" 305
Dan Foose Rs-So 6'5" 290
Jordan Prestwood Rs-Fr or Soph 6'6" 295
Josue Matias Rs-Fr or Soph 6'5" 310
Tre Jackson Rs-Fr or Soph 6'5" 305
Bobby Hart Rs-Fr 6'4" 305 (Hart will just be turning 18 for the 2012 season)

That's not a bad group, and there are certainly some talented players in that group who will one day make a lot of money in the NFL. But the most-talented guys are the second- year players. They might not be ready to step in and start after only one year of strength development and learning from the bench and or limited play late in games. The older guys have some experience and knowledge of the system, but nobody will confuse them with superstars. It's not that FSU can't find two capable or excellent starters from this group. It would not require a miracle to do so. But probability dictates that things would be easier if FSU only had to draw one starter from this group as opposed to two. And offensive line is a contact-intensive position, meaning that having only two starting-level offensive tackles is not likely to get a team through a season.

Why Does This Issue Exist?

Star-divide

Three names: Jon Prior, Aubrey Phillips, and Atnwane Greenlee.  Florida State was counting on those three being 6'4'+ and 300 pounds+ as juniors or seniors in 2012.  But Prior had to leave the program due to a family tragedy.  Phillips story is here (he was also bounced from Auburn, though has now been re-admitted).  And Greenlee was a lock to get a 6th year in 2012, but serious back and knee injuries stole his ability to play at a Florida State level.  Those three talented tackles were supposed to be starting for the 'Noles in 2013.  They will not.

Yes, Florida State knew about the problem before this season. And yes, they did try to address the problem. But you have to remember what was going on during that time. Bobby Bowden was the head coach. Elite offensive line recruits weren't signing on that dotted line, particularly not when the 'Noles had lost six games three times in four seasons. When Fisher took over in January 2010, there weren't any elite offensive tackle recruits to steal. Both Chaz Green andIan Silberman, the only FSU-quality offensive tackles in the Sunshine state, signed with Florida as the Gators were coming off a 13-1 season.FSU did address the problem in Jimbo's first full recruiting class as a head coach, signing the top offensive line class in the country.  But while Prestwood, Matias, Hart, and Jackson are all excellent prospects, they might not be ready to start after only a year in the program.  Ideally, FSU would prefer to allow those kids to sit and lift heavily for two seasons while learning in the backup role.  

The Solution (If One Is Needed)

When Florida State realized it may have a 2011 problem with guard Blake Snider's development put on hold due to a nasty ankle injury, and guard/ center David Spurlock's severe concussion issues, it went out and signed the #1 JUCO interior lineman in the country, Jacob Fahrenkrug. Smart move. Spurlock's concussion issues have flared again and Fahrenkrug moved to center. He's played great there. Who knows where the Florida State offensive line would be without him?

Florida State's 2012 tackle situation is not as dire, but the 'Noles may elect to go out and get a JUCO offensive tackle to remedy the situation. He may not necessarily start, but the player would need to be good enough to potentially start. If he gets beat out by a talented young phenom, so be it, he'll add greater depth. But if the young guys don't come along the fast track, he could lock down a starting position.

Is that Player Out There?

Perhaps. JUCO scouting is reserved almost exclusively to scouting services (not rivals) that market to schools, not fans. One player quickly gaining interest is Daniel Glauser, from the New Mexico Military Institute. He's a December graduate, meaning he'll enroll in January. That's vital if a player wants to quickly learn the system. He stands 6'5" or 6'6" and about 320 pounds. And he's from Rheinfelden, Switzerland. Rivals reports an FSU offer on his player page. I often do not trust those lists, but this is too random for it to be faked. He was a member of the Swiss junior/adult national team. I can also confirm that he knows Bjoern Werner, perhaps through one of the European teams. He is a criminal justice major, something that FSU is well known for. He attended high school in Walton, New York. Glauser is 23 years old.

From Rivals (free)

New Mexico Military Institute is better known for being the place where Roger Staubach started his football career before heading to [Navy], where he later won the Heisman Trophy before an illustrious career with the Dallas Cowboys. That will all change in 2011 as one offensive tackle for the Broncos will likely end up being the first player from Switzerland to ever sign with a DI program.

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With double-digit offers this recruit is not a lock to come to Florida State, and there is no guarantee that FSU would take him without working him out in person, but the possibility certainly exists and he is one to watch.  I do know that he was extremely excited with his FSU offer.  Additionally, the military connection with Trickett is quite hard to ignore.

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Who do you think will be on the interior come fall? Stork, Krug and ?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 11:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The great mystery of 2011. I know the coaches loved Snider before he got hurt, but he is still out with the lower leg injury, so I have no idea of knowing how he will play.

Don’t rule out a freshman guard playing there.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

At that point do you just take your most ready lineman and put him there (maybe Matias or Hart depending on ability to learn the system) and then move them next year in favor of a redshirted freshman for 2012?

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 11:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hart should not be in the equation. I think his growth could be really stunted by playing him early.

Matias at guard… could happen?

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think Trickett will do his absolute best

to keep Hart from seeing many snaps until he’s 19 (2013)?

I think Hart could grow to be close to 6’6-6’7 320 and not lose much abitlity if it is good weight, and 2 years in the S&C program could do it.

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by freshcollegeboy on Apr 20, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not going to speculate on his height, but he definitely has incredible talent for his age. I suspect he takes a redshirt and first fights for a starting position in 2013 as you thought.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes Hart is too young

I’d hate to risk someone like Matias’s long tem prospects too, but the 2011 season could be detailed if we can’t run to one side. I would rather Krug move bsck and put the most scheme ready frosh at C, singe guys like Pettis and Lovelady have had equal time to learn the system.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Physically, Matias is there. He’s just a freak. Ira Schoffel said he thought Matias was one of Jimbo’s old linemen from LSU coming back to visit when he showed up for the practice at the peach bowl. With him the question is learning and technique.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tricket will field his best 5 on starting day.

That means he will not field “potential” talent, at least not at first. His most senior 5 or one or two who are just better. Then, obviously, he will put in his young guys asap in the first game to get reps and continue to practice..Just a guess though.

Hart got beat pretty bad in the Army game but he was going against Clowney and is sooo young. Tricket will get him sound and he will be a second year starter maybe end of first. I like to keep redshirts on that table seeing on how Olineman get injured a good bit.

by pb4957 on Apr 20, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think your timetable on Hart is a year short. I think he’s a 3rd-year starter, maybe end of 2nd.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But I like to be optomistic in Trickets ability to coach and a young persons ability to learn and take direction. His age though….wow the kid is young.

by pb4957 on Apr 20, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you see that as undermining his ability to play tackle in the future?

It seemed to work out for Hudson. Heck, Hudson moved out to LT his freshman year against Kentucky and did admirably. IF he can play, let him play.

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by ricobert1 on Apr 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think he is pretty immature, carries some bad weight, and is really going to have a more difficult time adjusting to college football, and more importantly, college life, due to his age.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I don’t want another Jacobbi situation with the additional fact that Hart is much younger than Jacobbi was.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Apr 20, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That, plus the fact that he's just nowhere physically ready...

You look at him as opposed to the other freshman OL, and it’s an eye-opener…I don’t care what his measurables are listed at.

I pointed him out to my little brother at the spring game, and he was like, “dude, are you suuuuuure he’s not a recruit?”

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by CornNole on Apr 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We must have sat pretty close to each other

Bobby Hart was three rows below me.

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by jskipnole on Apr 20, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the risk of sounding too sappy....

Bud, you never cease to amaze me with your articles…never…not only are you citing specific concerns and potential problems down the road (player depth), but you are offering exceedingly viable solutions AND supplying ample video…you somehow got better……just amazing…buy yourself a beer on me…

Buddy

by Buddy Reynolds on Apr 20, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Buddy

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 23, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

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The guys at HogsHaven, the Redskins SBN site, have several different series of sponsored posts. It doesn’t seem obtrusive, and they usually managed to integrate the sponsor into the topic without seeming like shills.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by pb4957 on Apr 20, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for framing the salient parts of the 2012 season

2 things:
1. supposing we do sign the JUCO OT, who plays at the other OT spot?
2. Although there is no attrition expected at DL in 2012, I disagree that FSU will have a legit chance at being the best in the country, unless we get good production out of our DL from the 2011 & 2012 classes.

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by TLHWG on Apr 20, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Who would you expect to be better on the defensive line in 2012?

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to guess Bama’s DL in 2012 will be pretty good.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

don't have enough familiarity with DLs across the country to give an example

my belief was just based on our player quality—other than Tank and Jenkins, none of our upperclassmen in the DL rotation are considered elite. I’d imagine that other elite programs (e.g., Bama, UF, LSU, tOSU, USC, Auburn, etc.) have better talent and so probably a better DL.

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by TLHWG on Apr 20, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Werner is going to be considered better than Jenkins. Not sure about Tank, as his ceiling is very high. Wenrer will be drafted in the top 100 picks, perhaps higher.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree about Werner

I think he is going to have a breakout season this year. I think he is someone who has most benefited from college coaching because he is from another country and was not(or maybe he? was I’m just guessing) always around quality coaches growing up. I am very excited about him this upcoming season.

by Noleforever9399 on Apr 20, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope you're right

I may rewatch the spring game just to see if his takeoff speed is better than last year’s – but he still worries me that he’s a high floor / low ceiling kinda guy.

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by ricobert1 on Apr 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

You kinda wonder if he’s gonna be a Nigel Bradham type guy where we keep telling mythical stories of the days he murders someone in orange (don’t care which team) on the field, yada yada yada…then it just never happens.

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by CornNole on Apr 20, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont see how you made that connection

Werner wasn’t even a high 4* guy if I remember correctly. Most people were expecting Bradham to be dominate, I can’t remember anybody I talked to that said Werner was going to be dominate.

Werner to me has nowhere to go but up. I truly think that because he wasn’t around football his whole life 1.his bad habits (whatever they are) aren’t deeply ingrained so they will be easier to correct and 2. He hasn’t necessarily always been around good coaching so he has so much to learn, but with all the new things he learns the better he gets. Just my 2 cents

by Noleforever9399 on Apr 21, 2011 1:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tank might not be there in 2012

if he has the kind of year I think he might this year.

by tuckwell on Apr 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he needs lower body development. He doesn’t get quite the jump I thought he did, and thus, is going to need to be more balanced than just a pass rusher.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you think the snaps between he and Werner will be distributed?

If you care to venture a guess. Jenkins will play more snaps that any other d-lineman barring injury so I never thought Tank would be Jenkins backup. Hicks will do fine there IMO

by westcoastnolefan on Apr 20, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werner knows the system, is incredible disciplined, and is very good against the run, which is what needs more improvement (as opposed to the pass defense).

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key is...

there isnt huge huge drop offs with substitutions and after 3 quarters … that’s a load

by FSU on Apr 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Werner impressed me last year.

But, damn I didn’t know he had that high of a ceiling. I’m gonna start re watching some of last years games soon, and I will keep my eye on him. Our ends are gonna be nasty this year.

by fsunole23 on Apr 20, 2011 7:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is that what happened?

Never heard anything and he isnt on the roster anywhere.

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by numberonenole on Apr 22, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

jernigan, like the vast majority of the class, is not an EE

so he wouldnt show up on the roster anyway

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by nole07 on Apr 22, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, not sure who will be the guy, but bringing in another increases the chance that FSU has two tackles playing at a high level.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

WVU game in 2012 = DO NOT WANT

Holgorsen’s offense in year two with those admissions standards is a big no thank you from me.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Apr 20, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

good point

I would love to schedule San Jose State or Akron for that game. Pay the 1.2Mil and lets make a MNC run!

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by freshcollegeboy on Apr 20, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Point is I don’t want to play it in a year in which we have a shot to make a national run.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Apr 20, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Didnt know that. So to soften the schedule a little our only choice would be to drop USF?

by Shooter McFrattin on Apr 20, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We can move the WVU games

But we do have to play them at some point, as of now.

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by DKfromVA on Apr 20, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was it mandated that

“we” as in “FSU” played them or any ACC school?

by Shooter McFrattin on Apr 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The conference divided them up. Others had to play them as well. Miami @ Pitt. Forgot the others.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. Spetman made the moronic decision to schedule the USF series. He may be improving, but he was unqualified to be FSU’s AD when he was hired. I’ll reserve judgment on his current abilities.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't we argue

that the series vs. WVU fulfills our mandated Big LEast requirement? Let’s get some lawyers on the case…

by Pinto on Apr 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are the chances the USF or WVU games get moved?

by firezone on Apr 20, 2011 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I assume Jimbo has already been working on the AD about it.

He knows and preaches the importance of scheduling. If it can be done, I’m sure Jimbo will give a strong recommendation for it.

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by freshcollegeboy on Apr 20, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it's an additional road game.

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, though it is in state.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I am going to buy the expensive ones for like $250, then sell the other 6 USF games, making my ticket cost effectively like $150

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

As low as $65 right now

That’s ridiculous.

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

and as you mentioned

It will be as close to a home game as possible with all the FSU grads in Central Florida

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by freshcollegeboy on Apr 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at Florida

They play tons of OOC road games. Against other Florida teams, anyway…

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by DutchFSU on Apr 20, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it's only one game.

I’d rather play one game @ USF than a home/home with WVU.

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by Jamil Dawson on Apr 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

a home/home with WVU in consecutive seasons.

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by Jamil Dawson on Apr 21, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most important move is to move @ WVU 2013 to 2014 or 2016.

Having only six home games is an absolute joke. I would fire Spetman if that doesn’t get done.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It should get done...

There’s are a lot of wheels in motion and a lot of time between now and then

by FSU on Apr 20, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s the deal.

Move 2012 @ USF to 2014. They have it open, as do we. http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-east/south-florida-bulls.php

And move 2013 @ WVU to 2016 or 2018. They have openings, so does FSU. http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/big-east/west-virginia-mountaineers.php

Are these the wheels in motion?

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's also some hedging...

with some realignment issues & potential television contracts that need to be sorted out as well

by FSU on Apr 20, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I am missing something, but those teams will still have 3-4 OOC games, and they have open spaces now.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct...

There’s also an issue w/ BE & ND thats coming to head among other things with some realignment issue

by FSU on Apr 20, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how we're defining spectacular

But I’d consider Reed pretty spectacular at the end of the BC and Maryland games.

And Easterling pretty much sealed the game for USCe.

There weren’t too many other clutch situations by receivers to my knowledge.

by vickers8 on Apr 20, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

But you have to look at both sides of the coin.

Reed has cost us dearly with many key drops, and Taiwan is consistently average. He won’t burn anyone but he can catch and find the zone.

Are those two guys filling spots that better players should/could be in? I say yes.

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by freshcollegeboy on Apr 20, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haulsted and Smith both had pretty big moments against UF

Smith had the sealing TD against Miami.

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the opening play v. Clemson

big momentum plays with him.

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by freshcollegeboy on Apr 20, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had thought of the Clemson play by Smith, but didnt think one instanced warranted mentioning

But his catch vs Miami was very clutch, which i had forgotten about since the game ended up being a blowout.

by vickers8 on Apr 20, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

They are fine college players.

I am glad we had them. But there is a big difference between fine college player and superstar.

by nolesontop on Apr 20, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have guys who, with another year of seasoning, would likely pass Reed and Easterling even if R&E were still around. Why are we concerned about losing two backup receivers?

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll have to see how 2011 plays out obviously

But so far I havent seen any slot receivers do what R&E have done and thats what concerns me.

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and you are comparing

RS and true freshmen to juniors…

by WaimeaNole on Apr 20, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he takes a while to learn the game.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has the potential.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You saw KB at Ken's?

That joint must have changed in the last few years. When I was in Tally Ken’s didn’t exactly have the style that I would think KB would be into. Hell, a lot of the time I could hardly stand to be there unless one of my friends was working the bar. They did have that turkey hunting game though….

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by NeuroNole on Apr 20, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loved Ken's when I was there

Back in the late 80’s. But I’ve always been a hang out and drink beer kind of guy.

by jimmygnole on Apr 20, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you have a mug?

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by GonzoNole on Apr 20, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Misinformation from the camp dating he is fine now

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Saying

And that was meant to be a question

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Things arent done....

Until they are done and by no means are they.

by FSU on Apr 24, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Haulstead has a better year than last and C.Green has the potential to breakout next year, if not this year. Kenny Shaw has the potential, but I’m hesitant to expect much of any of our receivers because it really depends on what offense we run this year. I hope we light it up.

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by GregJones on Apr 20, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

They really like Haggins. He had a great spring.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn’t Haggins held out of the Spring Game due to a minor injury?

by FTSNole on Apr 20, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knee. Out 2-3 weeks. MCL tweak.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since they are unlikely to be starters, aren’t real special physically, aren’t NFL guys, and aren’t even on the All-Conference team, I don’t think FSU bats an eye about replacing them.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t think either of them start this year, but I think Taiwan is still very good against the zone. He could play if needed.

I’m completely off the Bert train.

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by freshcollegeboy on Apr 20, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Idk bert ran routes and caught balls in the spring game he wouldnt have last year.

We shouldnt worry about replacing him, but i think he puts it together this year.

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by truecolors on Apr 20, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

where you been?

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

BUSY!

Thanks for asking. Still reading the teets. @Kjjernigan is me.

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by truecolors on Apr 20, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love reading those too.

Although I wouldn’t call them teets…sounds like you’re into farm animals.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 21, 2011 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would like to see get done:

Move 2012 WVU to 2014.
Move 2013 WVU to 2016.

NEVER, EVER, EVER play a non-conference road game in a year you play @ Florida.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Moving the 2013 @ WVU is much more important than moving the 2012 WVU game.

Six home games should be a fireable offense. It would be at major SEC schools, Texas, etc.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am ok with seven each year.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesnt that kind of go against 3 cupcakes and Florida?

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 12:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes. But, I am trying to differentiate between ideal/acceptable/egregious

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't we just cancel the WVU series

all together? Like DK said, year 2 of Dana Hologorsen’s offense with the weak admission standards.Tell Oliver Luck thanks but no thanks.

by Matt Champion on Apr 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. It was mandated that we play it in the settlement for raiding the big east.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang it

Oh well let’s hope Spetmanv at least moves the road game to 2014.

by Matt Champion on Apr 20, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He literally has two years to do this. Just want to get the word out now.

2013 is going to be a down year, thanks to massive graduation losses. Don’t make it unnecessarily down.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about every active TN member

flood Spetman’s office with calls asking him to change the game or we all write him emails?

by Matt Champion on Apr 20, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Is he doing the “Ask the AD” thing again on Seminoles.com? He (or perhaps a staff member) was doing it for a while, but stopped about the time things were really heating up for BB. Funny thing, the timing there… I haven’t checked to see if it’s being updated again.

by Invictus13 on Apr 20, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's still doing it sparingly

there was one posted a couple weeks ago, biggest comment he had was about why there were wasn’t a baseball game or other activity during the spring game weekend and he responded that “well, everybody else (including half the sec, including florida) doesn’t have home baseball during spring game either”.

by stevib on Apr 20, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My reply would be, "So?"

It sounds like a great idea to me. Allow people to make a weekend of it, make it special and try to lure in some more people to fill the seats. I think spring games will (continue to) grow in the future, and there’s no reason we shouldn’t lead the way.

by Invictus13 on Apr 20, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw the Spetman article too.

My take was almost as if he threw the CJF under the bus regarding that question. I thought Spetman’s response was, "The Baseball schedule comes out is advance, can’t be changed, blah-blah-blah-BUT the start of spring practice can happen at anytime.

Let me see if I can hunt that article down.

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by pasadenanole22 on Apr 20, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesnt it stand to reason that in 2014 we cd

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Could be elite again?

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 1:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we'll likely have no seniors st DE that year

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 1:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Two game series. I believe the dates are negotiable.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2013 schedule mess aside

I will be looking forward to this season and defintely 2012. I hope we can be like Bama win a national title and the following year win ten games.

by Matt Champion on Apr 20, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If FSU doesn’t fix 2013 they’ll be lucky to win 8

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I looked at the 2013 schedule the way it is right now and if @WVU stays on that game is a probable loss along with @ Florida, @ Clemson, and possibly @GT.

by Matt Champion on Apr 20, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get that statement

If the recruting continues on a Top 10 level and now with the coaching we have….shouldn’t we expect to win 10 games annualy? Why such a huge drop if we expect the level of talent to only drop off marginally in certain years?

by reznik1979 on Apr 20, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely not.

Why do we expect 2012 to be better than 2011? Experience and schedule, both of which will not be in FSU’s favor for 2013.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

We finished with a top 10 recruting class in 10 and the number 1 in 11

So wouldn’t those players be basically Jr’s and Sr’s as well as some red shirts. And with us a possibly top 5 recruiting class again in 12. Why such a drop in 2013, I actually figure with the last 2 recruiting years that those players will be starting in 2013. Why is such a drop off likely? I would think this year would be tougher with all the 08 and 09 recruits as the majority starters. And improving the next couple as the recruiting class’s are much stronger and all under Jimbo’s coaching staff all their years at school.

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by caine115 on Apr 20, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just as I said above. Because experience and schedule matter, both of which are not in FSU’s favor in 2013.

Look at all the new starters there will be:

EJ Manuel *
C. Thompson

L. Pryor
D. Smiley*
R. Smith
W. Haulstead

R. Sanderson* (G)
J. Fahrenkrug (G)

J. McDaniel (DT)
E. Dawkins* (DT)
M. McCray* (DT)
A. McCloud* (DT)
B. Jenkins (DE)
C. Carradine (DE)
T. Stevens* (DE)

V. Williams *
C. Jones (early)

G. Reid (CB)
N. Moody* (S)
A. Commack* (CB)
X. Rhodes (CB) (early)

D. Hopkins (K)

I set a goal if 36-12 for Jimbo in his first four years regular season. I think he’s going to beat that, even if he goes 8-4 in 2013.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Seems like we need to get a better mix of players leaving at different times. Looks like we will be really good, then have a rebuilding year every couple years. Really makes me wonder how we did what we did in the 90’s.

I graduated in 2000. So my years at FSU I never witnessed us lose a home game. And any losses those years were so heartbreaking.

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by caine115 on Apr 20, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Playing a lot of really bad teams helped FSU get its subs in a bunch, which gave them more game experience. But playing in a bad conference was the biggest key.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good things re: 2013 team.

- Offensive line should be Trickett’s best yet.
- Tight ends should be major weapons.
- Linebackers and safeties will be very experienced. Likely losing 1 starter there from the 5 combined positions.

Dline will be a concern, as will wideout and obviously QB.

This should anchor our D-line (4 seniors)
D. McAllister* (DT)
D. Cummings (DT)
B. Werner (DE)
D. Hicks* (DE)

But then again they could all turn pro early. Could.

Jrs
C. Erving* (DT)
T. Jernigan (DT)

Sophs
D. Mitchell (DT) (rs)
N. Lawrence (DT) (rs)
G. Newberry (DE) (rs, maybe a jr)
C. Casher (DE)
D. Fowler, Jr. (DE)
M. Edwards, Jr. (DE)

Rs-frosh
D. Stuckey (DT)

it’ll be talented, but inexperienced relative to 2012

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relative but still plenty of experience along the DL. QB and wideout is where I have the biggest concerns, but even then CGreen will be a Jr, Dent, Haggins and Shaw all be seniors and Benjamin and Greene will be sophomores. I realize attrition is an issue and a lot of these guys will be new starters but they will have been in the program a while.

QB is an issue though. Might as well start Coker if he ous close to ready.

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 8:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

2 full seasons and 1 spring

is enough time for a QB like Coker to compete with and beat out a QB like Trickett

Championship!

by TLHWG on Apr 20, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they all go early

Then we had one hell of 2011 and 12. I almost say if we are going to have a possible down year anyway. And 4 underclassmen on D line all good enough to go early. Then we had 2 pretty freaking amazing years.

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by caine115 on Apr 20, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do we play WVU if 12 or 13?

Big difference is they will be without Geno Smith at QB. They also lost two 4 star QB’s(Johnson, Brunetti) to transfer from their 2010 class. After Geno they pretty much have no QB’s on their roster.

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by Michael@TN on Apr 20, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Home 2012
Away 2013

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

concussions

I know Spurlock has been dealing with concussions for a while.. Is there any details on that? Does he have a chronic “post-concussion” syndrome where he just continues to get headaches? It seems so rare for something like this to affect an O lineman so severely..?

by CaNole on Apr 20, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Actually it seems that OL usually have the worst problems with concussions

They have contact on every single play and often lead with their heads.

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by willdabeast on Apr 20, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. And I’m not sure on the syndrome issue, sorry.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a doctor,

but I would think that once those blood vessels are weakened, they stay weakened. And repeated trauma means repeated concussions.

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by PeachTreeNole on Apr 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d. Learn something about concussions today, people.

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. junk like this can come in handy

Like the time my girlfriend was standing on the edge of the bathtub cleaning, fell off and concussed herself on the side of the toilet. Knowledge was indeed power that day

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by NeuroNole on Apr 20, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch!

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

When she woke did she invent the flux capaciter?

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by Marmaduke1 on Apr 20, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d. Considering creating additional names to rec.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brings an interesting question

If you could go back in time and change one play from an FSU game what would it be?

 Off the top of my head, it would be double teaming Peerless Price on his bomb in the 98 championship game.

by jimmygnole on Apr 20, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weinke not getting hit and out for the year.

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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Samari Rolle Jaquez Green

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 8:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Whatever it took to get Snoop Minnis into the '01 Orange Bowl

That’s academics and not a play obviously, but i don’t think I’ve ever let something like that take away so much from the experience of watching such an important game. I think seething would be the best word

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by NeuroNole on Apr 20, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

WR 1

As bad as the others were. That broke my heart. I was in 8th grade lol

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by caine115 on Apr 20, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

No brainer. Wide Right.

the first one cause i think it fed the second one.

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by truecolors on Apr 20, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly why I said that

That game prob cost a NC, and lead to the stigma that depend the next year, that again prob cost us a national cham. And then of course we had to have a Wide left. But it all goes back to WR1. And the fact that same year they made the goal posts width smaller by about the amount it was missed by. And the fact that for the last 20 years I have to see it replayed every single time we pay Miaimi

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by caine115 on Apr 20, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great minds.

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by tricknole on Apr 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or perhaps the 2-pt conversion

Vs UM in 87? (Or any one of a dozen plays that would have prevented their comeback that year…)

by Invictus13 on Apr 22, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any play against Miami that would've prevented the Wide Right business.

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by tricknole on Apr 21, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whaaaaaaat?

What kind of pricks would we be had we won two more national titles? The wide rights/lefts/etc have been as big as the Seminole name itself. As painful as they all have been, I know I probably wouldn’t be the same person without that heartache to overcome (a little dramatic, I know). And for the Bowden-hat, uh ready-to-move-on fans, doubtful we’d have Jimbo right now. I’d take Ponder content to let McDaniel take the pick-6 or erasing the hose-job by the officials against Kentucky so I wouldn’t have to deal with a UK graduate always hanging that over me.

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by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

We would be pricks with more national titles than our three biggest rivals.

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by Jamil Dawson on Apr 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could not disagree anymore.

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by tricknole on Apr 22, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would go back to a certain night in question and ensure that Mr. Tebow pulls out of Mrs. Tebow....thereby ensuring little Timmy the fate he deserved:

Dying on a washcloth or digested.

Oh, FSU football play…….crap. My bad.

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by DRusso97 on Apr 21, 2011 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought the anti-christ was born from a wolf?

>>>─────;;─►

by NorFla_Nole on Apr 21, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Romulus & Remus were raised by a wolf......but they were Italian & therefore better then the Tebow clan.

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by DRusso97 on Apr 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

But your biased, *Russo*

My wife is a Russo. Few you out there. Unfortunately she only has sisters and her father is the only son, etc. So she’s the last on her end.

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by harper.rb on Apr 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

BRAVO to your wife!! She should have made you take her last name....Russo.rb

Napolitano or Siciliano?

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by DRusso97 on Apr 21, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe her grandfather (or great, forget which) is from Torre Osaia just south of Napoli

so I guess Napolitano?

Her dual-citizenship is about it make its way through, so we will be part Italian, officially.

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by harper.rb on Apr 21, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh shit.....same region as my Grandfather was born in.

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by DRusso97 on Apr 23, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, yeah and she kept Russo

I didn’t force her my rather bland English name on her.

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by harper.rb on Apr 21, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope.

From an affair between a monk and a nun.

by Invictus13 on Apr 22, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya but

im pretty sure Tebows mom is a wolf, just saying

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by NorFla_Nole on Apr 22, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Worst moment in FSU history

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by NoleCzar on Apr 21, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think reading that

made me confabulate. But I’m still not sure.

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by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

just curious

should the title of this article be “setting” out to tackle or “selling”?

Championship!

by TLHWG on Apr 20, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I chose selling because FSU is really going all-out for 2012.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Amp McCloud was graduating after 2011 just like Mike Harris?

Even so, that’s only 4 players off the entire defensive 2-deep (1 DT, 1 LB, 2 DBs).
2012 = STACKED!

by TheMarchingChief on Apr 20, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No, he is not. He is a 4th-year junior. Mike is a senior.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, thanks

That’s even better! I think Telvin can easily replace Bradham’s production at OLB and Harris and Parks would be backups anyways.

#DEPTH

by TheMarchingChief on Apr 20, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

yes

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

<3

"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith

by numberonenole on Apr 22, 2011 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about having a discussion with me

about how the business model for TN and SBN works?

I can give you contact info to continue offline.

by gambelero3 on Apr 20, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

You can e-mail me. Quite busy but if I get the time we can discuss

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm busy too with

a lot of grading right now as I’m trying to finish the semester. I’ll make contact and then maybe we can discuss it after school gets out.

by gambelero3 on Apr 20, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Realistically

FSU will only have 3 true road games in 2012. USF and Miami will be full of FSU fans when we play them. Only problem is 2 of those 3 road games will be in PITA places to play.

by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 20, 2011 1:56 PM EDT reply actions  

USF is a game FSU must prep for, play its starters in, etc.

What it needs is a team with almost no chance to win, so it can rest its starters and develop its youth.

#Attrition

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're a machine, Bud!

I’m linking this to my FB page like I do with numerous TN articles so any of my friends living under a rock can enjoy this content and become more educated on the subject.

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Apr 20, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Is there anyway we move the home WVU game to 2013, giving us 7 home games that year…and then moving the road WVU game to 2014, giving us 7 home games for 2014. If that can happen, we fill in the vacant 2012 with a cupcake, giving us 7 home hames.

by lovemynoles09 on Apr 20, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

WVU is full for 2014

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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I know that WVU won't want the game for 2013 in Tally

as that was the way it was originally scheduled (i.e. 2012 in WVU and 2013 in Tally) and they asked us a couple of years ago (2008 or 2009, can’t remember which) to switch the dates to which we agreed.

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by RishiM on Apr 20, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

@ VaTech

I agree it’s crazy to play West Virginia and USF in the same year, but the trip to Blacksburg scares me more than either of those. I realize there’s nothing we can do about it, but I could see that being a major stumbling block.

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by SeminoleMike on Apr 20, 2011 6:28 PM EDT reply actions  

For Wrestling Fans

SEC = NWO
Rest of College Football = WCW
FSU = Sting

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4hpyf_starcade-1997-hulk-hogan-vs-sting-p_sport

This scene at the end will be all of college football at the end of 2012. Be ready.

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Does that make Notre Dame Ric Flair?

14-15 championship belts that no one remembers and he never shut up about.

by l0stnumber on Apr 20, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That makes Alabama Goldberg

200+ straight wins that no one remembers or chooses to acknowledge as correct. 11 national championships? Yeah… not so much.

by basaltrock on Apr 20, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOO

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Apr 20, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

(riverwalk)

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by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

IMO you folks worry too much about WVU.

I live up north and see them a lot. They are just ‘okay’ now a days. FSU has their number and will beat them in 2012 and 2013. Now if you are worried about them because they are a decent Div 1 team and as such will add to the pounding the FSU squad takes I’ll give you that.
As for USF. Their QB worries me as he’ll be a Sr in 2012. But overall the squad is not close to FSU. Yes they beat FSU at home but that was a Bowden lead team not the same as the Jimbo team.

by pikefan on Apr 20, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

While you might have a point...

I think that the Dana Holgerson (sp?) WVU is going to look much more like the Rich Rod WVU than the past few years of Bill Stewart WVU teams. I worked at WVU for a summer and while I think Bill Stewart is probably one of the nicest people I have ever met, not really convinced hes a very good coach. Holgerson on the other hand scares the heck out of me.

by jmunole on Apr 20, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t understand how it works.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 20, 2011 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

2012

Really great look foward. However, IMHO, there are just so many unknown variables between now and then, so I am really more focused on this year. As far as the 2013 schedule goes, and that’s really far off, I say bring it on. If FSU can’t beat South Florida and West Virginia in away games, they certainly wouldn’t be deserving of a NC and wouldn’t be a very good representative as an ACC Champion.

by Owlguin on Apr 20, 2011 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

except

that true national champs (see the previous 6 years) have schedule Constitutional Development five times per semester, and work 35 hours a week

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by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well then it's a good thing FSU isn't gunning for a "true" National Championship......only a "mythical" one.

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by DRusso97 on Apr 21, 2011 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose at this point,

I’d take either

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by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

There aren't really any mythical national titles.

I’m pretty sure they do actually exist. :)

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by tricknole on Apr 22, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly!

That’s why we’re suggesting that the WVU game be rescheduled. You have to schedule wisely to win a NC.

by sperrett1 on Apr 20, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again

That wer can best a team and that wer lose to them are different things entirely.

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by AMFKNole on Apr 20, 2011 9:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The likelyhood it happens is slim. But i think this year actually lays out better overall.

OU being a top 5 team is the problem. Howerver its at home and if we could find a way to pull it off and survive clemson…we cruise into the UF game unscathed. Agin OU and the fact that we Are not likely to be ready for a team like that STILL is theissue. But if we could play this sched in 2012 i would like it better than the conf. Sched.

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by truecolors on Apr 20, 2011 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Bud

Two things stand out from this article:

1. “will have a legitimate argument for best defensive line in the country” – I almost wet myself

2. I am hoping against hope that you are wrong about us being OK with losing Bradham. After he ran down Demps (Rainey?) two years ago, I though we had a megastar on our hands. Like a lot of fans, I am confident that he will make his final year one to remember. Maybe that’s more hope, but again, I want you to be wrong on this one.

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by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 2:04 AM EDT reply actions  

He needs to make LIGHT YEARS worth of improvement in his instincts & fluidity.

If you took Telvin’s instincts/fluidity with Bradham’s physical gifts….you would have Ray Lewis II.

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by DRusso97 on Apr 21, 2011 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gifts or size?

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by tricknole on Apr 22, 2011 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Physical gifts - size & strength & straight-line speed.

Telvin has his football instincts, natural fluidity, and better acceleration.

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by DRusso97 on Apr 23, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

and more dead people

"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind

by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 3:33 AM EDT reply actions  

whoops, re: Druss

"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind

by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Russo

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by DRusso97 on Apr 21, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

fail

"If St. George would have killed a dragonfly instead of a dragon, who would have remembered him?" - Fredric March, Inherit the Wind

by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It happens. Perhaps I should change it to D.Russo97

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by DRusso97 on Apr 21, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could swear

that I got that right; i know i tried; I wouldn’t change it because of dudes like me

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by SalmonNole on Apr 21, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good...because my username is the same all across the internet.

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by DRusso97 on Apr 23, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

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