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Around SBN: Sixers Vs. Celtics: Countdown To Game Seven

Includes quick overview and best/worst case scenarios.

Also includes BC's Reggie Jackson and Duke's Kyle Singler

about 1 year ago Tiny hoyaeagle 20 comments 0 recs  | 

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i don't really see the al thornton comparison. plus, thats a pretty good worst case scenario

i see singleton as playing a wilson chandler type of position but more defense/less offense.

Best case scenario-Whatever the sf/pf version of Thabo Sefolosha is

Worst case scenario- Earl Clark

by B-rod24 on Apr 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Worst case

Earl Clark. I like that one a lot. But Singleton plays much better D still. That’s his saving grace.

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by hoyaeagle on Apr 28, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't Thornton and Singleton kind of opposites?

Thornton was a big scorer and not nearly an ACC DPOY caliber player (to my recollection), while Singleton isn’t a big scorer but a great defender.

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by tricknole on Apr 28, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS - Averaging nearly 12 points/game for your NBA career over 5 seasons ain't half bad.

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by tricknole on Apr 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

stats wise thornton is fine

but watching him you realize he has no idea how to use his talents in an offense. He plays with a very low IQ.

by B-rod24 on Apr 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that's not what I would point out to recruits or any other casual observer.

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by tricknole on May 1, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will always be a spot for someone who defend on the perimeter

Normally with someone like Singleton I’d say that he should stay another year to develop his offensive game, but w/ Hamilton as the coach he clearly made the right decision.

I see him playing a style that can maintain a career on perimeter defense like Bruce Bowen, James Posey, or Shane Battier but with more upside because of his athleticism.

by PSLNOLE on Apr 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

to succeed in the nba all singleton needs to do

is develop his corner three. He’s good enough defensively (most scouts see him not only as the best defender in this draft, but the (non-center) best defensive player over the past few years) that he’ll be worth having on a roster. If he can hit that corner three then he’ll have a long nba career.

If he can post up some smaller SF’s or PF’s and live off of backdoor cuts and offensive rebounds I can see him developing into a 4th or 5th best player on a pretty good team.

by B-rod24 on Apr 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Thinking outside the box...

Gentlemen, let me say—I was the author of the article in question. Obviously, on the surface Al Thornton and Chris Singleton might seem like opposites. But let’s look at the big picture. Similar build and athleticism. Similar worries about bringing the intensity and fire on a nightly basis. Both excel on one end of the court while leaving something to be desired on the other end.

My point was, Al Thornton was a scorer coming out of college but it turns out his scoring ability was at least slightly overrated (I’m not saying he was touted as a future scoring champ but still…). Without the basketball IQ and defensive ability, Thornton’s scoring ability is now outweighed by his deficiencies in these other areas.

OK—how about Singleton? I’ll grant you, maybe Singleton is considered a better defender than Thornton was a scorer. BUT, my point was that if it turns out that his defending ability isn’t quite what it is made out to be once he gets to the next level, does he have or will he develop the other aspects of his game (i.e. basketball IQ and offensive game in this case) to keep him on the court? Thornton hasn’t been able to. That’s why I see that as his WORST case—not necessarily one that I see as likely.

Thanks for the reads and comments.

by jwm88 on Apr 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

thats pretty shallow though

Thornton was older coming out of college (he was going to turn 24 during his rookie year) giving him upside concerns.

Their builds are similar though singleton has him on height their wingspans should be comparable.

The problems thornton has aren’t similar to what singleton has. Thornton has a shot chucker mentality. A player like that can survive on a 19 win team where he’s given shots. As soon as Baron Davis entered the picture Thornton was pretty useless.

Thornton was cut from the Wizards because he was taking shots away from the core guys that Washington wanted to build around.

by B-rod24 on Apr 28, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

... so thornton had a skill that was only really beneficial for terrible teams that needed scoring

Singleton has a skill that is valuable on any team (even if his defense cant make the transition). He’s good enough to be used as a situational player against the Carmelos, the Josh Smiths, the luis scolas.

by B-rod24 on Apr 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

its like JJ redick vs Thabo Sefolosha

JJ is fantastic on offense. If he was given the shot attempts he could be a 17ppg scorer. But he’s small and can’t defend guys so he’s incapable of getting significant minutes against the more talented, taller, more athletic shooting guards in the NBA.

Thabo Sefolosha is barely an offensive threat but can play pretty good defense. The defensive ability allows him to play significant minutes every night. Thus, he’s more valuable even though if you somehow were able to tally up every skill they had JJ might be more talented.

Why is Dominic McGuire in the NBA and Deshawn Sims in the D-League?

Guys who play defense are a more valuable commodity than guys who can score.

That’s why I don’t think you can compare Defense only players and offense only players when considering career outlook.

by B-rod24 on Apr 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

in baseball terms

Singleton is a solid left handed pitcher, Thornton is a solid righty. guess which one gets more burn? thats right, the rarer pitcher. less supply = higher demand.

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by nole07 on Apr 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good analogy

I think he was just saying if he doesn’t improve his offensive game and IQ, he won’t be in the league as long as he could have- similar to Thornton only reversed. And again that is a worst case scenario.

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by hoyaeagle on Apr 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

but isn't that kinda pointless to point out?

if a guy doesn’t improve ____ he wont be in the league as long as he would if he did improve _.

Like if lebron doesn’t improve his outside shooting he wont be in the league as long as he would if he did improve his outside shooting.

by B-rod24 on Apr 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point

But I think for fringe prospects, their timetables to show the improvement are much shorter. And the point about Thornton being 24 was a very valid one.

And if his worst-case scenario is just being a 15 minute a game, “Durant-stopper” type player- that isn’t a bad career like you said earlier.

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by hoyaeagle on Apr 28, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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