NFL Draft: Florida State's Christian Ponder
by Bud Elliott on Apr 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT
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PrintTonight begins the first round of the NFL draft. Florida State has sent 225 players to the pros since 1951. This includes 34 first-round draft picks. Andre Wadsworth holds the record as the highest Seminole taken in the NFL draft as he was selected with the third overall pick by the Arizona Cardinals in the 1998 draft.
The first round of the 2011 NFL Draft starts at 8 p.m. (ET) on Thursday, April 28th and SB Nation has everything you need to prepare for it - NFL mock drafts, draft
Last year Patrick Robinson became the most recent Seminole to go in the first round. Before him it was Lawrence Timmons in 2007.
This year Christian Ponder has a chance to go in the first round. He is not considered a lock to be chosen in the first round, but FSU's quarterback has been swiftly rising up draft board.
Ponder possesses an average NFL arm. He has excellent mobility though he sometimes gets injured from running around too much. His height is also merely just average, at just a shade over 6'2", though his bulk is good for the next level at more than 220 pounds.
Perhaps Ponder's best asset is his intelligence. He's considered a very smart football player. In a league where teams are hesitant to throw money at trouble-makers and immature kids, Ponder's intelligence and work ethic (he already has his master's degree) stand out. He makes teams feel comfortable and doesn't come off as an immature kid.
Neither Mel Kiper, Jr. nor SB Nation have Ponder in the first round. But even they will acknowledge that after the first 15 or so locks, the remaining 16-32 spots are largely educated guesswork. A player projected to go at #24 could easily fall to pick #40 (2nd round, 8th selection).
Where could Ponder go?
Buffalo Bills (#3), Cincinnati Bengals (#4), Miami Dolphins (#15), Jacksonville Jaguars (# 16), Seattle Seahawks (# 25) are all options, but it's just as likely that a team trades back into the first round for him. Washington may also be an option.
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Seattle would be a great fit for him
Great coach, good line, good town.
What are you glorifying with your life?
it'd be cool
if seattle went #1 ponder #2 Hudson
Coach Coley made my mostly upstate NY-based twitter feed explode with his “One word ….Buffalo” tweet this morning.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
It was actually clever because he's not supposed to say which city he's in
Which is why he always uses area codes. But Buffalo is a noun with multiple meanings.
>>---l>
This being the most obvious.
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
To which I feel I must add
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
He burnt his coffee. Sumbeech.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
I'm pulling for CP7 to go to Miami, Jacksonville, or Philly.
Though I’ll continue to be a fan of his regardless of where he winds up.
Philly runs a bastardized version of the west coast....
I would immediately buy his jersey and where it every home game in Lincoln financial, but we throw deep all the time to Jackson and Maclin… Need a QB with a better than average arm. But if Philly would like to fire that fat walrus on our sidelines and go a more pure west coast offense I would love for ponder to be on the team.
I am hoping 49ers for him
Good offensive coaching and young talent around him with Davis and Crabtree.
My only complaint with that is that I can’t even recall the last time I’ve seen a 49ers game broadcast on cable in FL.
by Gulfport Nole on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Weren't they on MNF last year, maybe like week 4?
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
I would love it if that DBag from the 49er blog had to squirm and watch his prediction
be completely wrong.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
by Miaminole on Apr 28, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jimbo Fisher fundamentals coaching + Jim Harbaugh West Coast coaching
Would make Christan Ponder a badass!!
He roasted UF's secondary
in his last game at Doak, with his throwing arm basically broken.
He already is a badass.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more with this statement
He already is a badass.
Not just by a football player standards. Kid is a great rep of FSU.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Yeah, but everyone knows UF’s secondary was stoned as sh*t.
jk
by Gulfport Nole on Apr 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
Awesome.
rec.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Epic amounts of win here-greened
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
This should be green for multiple reasons.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Apr 28, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
A scene from the upcoming movie
“Ben Hill Griffin Stadium at Florida Field of Dreams”
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
awesome
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Apr 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
But lets be honest.
That looks like a WHOLE lot of fun
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Apr 28, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, field of dreams?
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Randall W. Spetman would make a visit over there if that happened.
That guy is possibly the biggest dooshtard I’ve ever seen on the interwebs.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Yea, I didn't like Randall W., either.
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Nothing personal, but you should put yourself in timeout.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, what's with the black socks?
And why’s he so pale?
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
And why’s he so pale
Hes caucasian.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
by CornNole on Apr 28, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
yes, what is up with the 1983 haircut?
I’m as old as Flutie, and even I don’t do that anymore.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
by PeachTreeNole on Apr 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Peter King
King on CNNSI has the Titans trading up to take Ponder at #28. Obviously nobody knows for sure, but King is very knowlegeable and has a lot of sources inside the NFL.
Redskins may take at 10
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I'll be shocked if my 'Skins take him without trading back to do it.
Supposedly they’ve been trying to trade up for Gabbert. If they do take a QB at 10, I just don’t see Dan Snyder allowing Shannahan & Co. to pass on one of the flashier names.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
by mmmCheese on Apr 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dan Snyder is basically how Jack Nicholson writes women in 'As Good as it Gets'.
I half-jokingly expect him to trade up and take a long snapper.
"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright
He hasn’t become Al Davis just yet. I won’t be surprised in the slightest though to see him piss away more draft picks to move up unnecessarily.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
by mmmCheese on Apr 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That info came from Rick Gosselin
one of the most plugged-in dudes around the NFL.
Thanks Tuck.
Hadn’t seen that.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
by mmmCheese on Apr 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I really think Ponder will go higher than expected
A lot of teams need quarterbacks and CP7 is a very good choice. He can come in immediately and help if needed, but also learn behind someone else. Most of these coaches are smart and are not drafting QBs based on 40 times and ability to run the ball. The last guy that did that (Josh McDaniels) was fired before the season ended…
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
Ugh...not good for CP7
Titans are a mess. Their owner is a genuine nutcase, and completely unpredicatble.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
But then again, they DO need a QB
(and a coach)
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Take Ponder, he could do both.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder as the next George Halas, eh?
Give him a couple of years and I bet he could make it happen.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Great minds…
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
It literally angers me that King is such a horrible writer but
“gets paid handsomely” for it (his own words). If you haven’t already, you need to check out the mock up that Drew Magary does of his MMQB every Monday on Kissing Suzy Kolber. I am baffled that King has a national column on SI.
King is very knowlegeable
Have you read his columns?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
I hope you're right.
That would be an unbelievable accomplishment for Ponder.
I'd like to see him with the Vikes
Best situation for him to succeed immediately. Would be playoff contenders IMO.
Regardless of where he winds up...
I don’t see him starting his first year.
Perhaps
But I would rather he sit for a year. I don’t have any research to stand on but IMO that would best for CP long term.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Apr 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I also don't see him being much of a factor anywhere his first year.
But if he were capable of starting, the lockout situation (lack of practices) could decrease that possibility.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
there might not be a lockout situation the way things are going
nfl just gave players clearance to start voluntary workouts.
Yea. No clue what happens.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
i dont think anyone has a clue
this feels like uncharted waters
i would say the 49ers would become immediate playoff contenders over Vikings with Ponder. They play in much weaker division. No team had a winning record last year in that division. The NFC North had the two teams who made the conference championship game.
Good point
SF is a QB away from having all the pieces to be a playoff team.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Apr 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I love CP7
But if I were the niners, I’d take Gabbert over him.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
If I were Carolina...
I’d trade that pick, go winless in 2011 to be sure that I get Andrew Luck.
If I’m a Panthers fan, I’m pissed that Luck stayed in school. Cam Newton, in my opinion, is a tremendous gamble
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I honestly don't see the Vikings taking a QB early.
I think Joe Webb will eventually be a tremendous QB.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Nobody will give Webb a chance up here.
All want a veteran or draft a young QB and throw him in the fire right away.
by Noles Fan in ND on Apr 28, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I have a bet with my brother-in-law that he goes first round
I think the odds are against it. I think he goes early 2nd but I’m hoping for the first. I am completely biased but I think he’s the most NFL ready QB this year. Pro-style multi-read offense, intelligent, good arm, mobile, accurate, can read defenses, driven.
I think some team is going to get a Drew Brees type when they draft CP.
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I think he goes 2nd
only because there are a few qb’s that everyone is in love with and you usually dont see more than a few go in the first round.
QB desperation
I think there are a few teams that are QB desperate. Once Newton and Gabbert are gone if another one is taken by the Redskins or Titans then you might see a run on them and then Ponder may go in the first. If Dalton goes before Ponder I’ll eat my flip flops.
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i can see a team taking a risk with locker above ponder
but not Dalton.
Position runs always screw around with projections.
Maybe someone gets crazy and takes Mallett above him.
I think it’d be better for Ponder’s career if he falls into the second round.
Historically you don’t have a high volume of QB’s taken in the first. Last year there was 2, 2009-3, 2008-2, 2007-2, 2006-3, 2005-3, 2004-4, 2003-4, 2002-3, 2001-1, 2001-1. So you have 2-3 QB’s taken in the first round. Cam is going #1 overall. Gabbert is going in the top 5. With the general view of Ponder-Locker-Dalton being extremely close in value I could see teams waiting until one of them is drafted before picking the others.
I'm praying he goes to the Skins or Panthers...
But those are long shots, I just want him playing for 1 of those so I can watch him on tv a lot in NC
"Get ready to change people's attitudes of you"-Jimbo Fisher
by WinstonSalemNole on Apr 28, 2011 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
Panthers are going to choose Newton
which unfortunately means they will continue to suck
Yeah
They’re in a position that they can’t afford to miss on a guy like Newton if by some chance he does become a Superstar (Which I don’t think he will be) that would be a black eye on the organization…We’ve seen this before though out of teams in the draft…
"Get ready to change people's attitudes of you"-Jimbo Fisher
by WinstonSalemNole on Apr 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
On the contrary...
If ever there was a draft where they could afford to err on the side of caution, it’s this year. Between no free-agent signing period, uncertainty over a possible rookie salary and the other labor issues the Panthers have all the excuses in the world to make a safe pick and MAYBE miss out on a superstar project.
Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K.
by mmmCheese on Apr 28, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess I'm more conservative
10% boom, 90% bust
for me, a major component of being a quarterback is being able to know where to throw the ball, and a very close second is being able to get it there. Newton is one heck of an athlete (better than Timmah T ?), but he is not an NFL QB, nor very close to it at this point.
Great point...
But I think he’s a bust for another reason. He just doesn’t strike me as a guy who wants to work…He seems like he’d be doing interviews and magazine shoots, while other QB’s are studying playbooks and working out…
but that’s just me. My speculation. No hard evidence.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
so you see him as the next Matt Leinart?
i would tend to agree with that assessment. full of himself, infectious smile, but useless because he parties more than hitting the playbook and team facilities.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
He is too concerned with his image than anything with actual substance
Newton will be a bust. He may make a highlight reel or two when he breaks a run, but that is it. He expects more than he is willing to work for. Guys like Ponder, Dalton, Locker and Tyrod Taylor are the opposite of that. They are grinders.
I am what time, circumstance, history, have made of me, certainly, but I am also, much more than that.- James Baldwin
Could not have said it better myself.
I also think that he may be a bit arrogant, which may not go over well in an NFL locker room.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I think his ability to read a defense is on par with your average kitchen knife
When he threw at Auburn he mostly did it against a 9-man box. Said kitchen knife would have a high completion % against that too.
>>---l>
or my 2 year old niece, assuming the ball is small enough to fit in her hand
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Lost in all of this
When was the last FSU QB to go in the first round?
by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2011 3:05 PM EDT reply actions
Off the top of my head....never.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i went back to 1966
the highest drafted FSU QB was Gary Huff in 1973 who went #33 overall
Really says something about the Dynasty years that most years we had a mediocre QB leading the team. Granted, Charlie Ward was a decade a head of his time, but 14 straight years in the Top 4 without a 1st round caliber QB is amazing.
by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
On the flip side
The Miami Hurricanes run in the 1980’s featured the following QBs consecutively
Jim Kelly (#1 overall pick)
Bernie Kosar (#1 overall pick )
Vinny Testaverde (#1 overall pick)
Steve Walsh (1st round of Supplemental Draft, cost Dallas a 1st in the next draft)
by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Jim Kelly should read 1st round pick
by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but the pick that was used would’ve been the #1 overall pick so it evens out ;)
by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Thad Busby should've gone first round.
I have no idea how the NFL jacked that up so bad.
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haha.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
When was Weinke picked?
"You make the helmet, the helmet doesn't make you." << Jimbo FN' Fisher
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Round 4 pick 106 overall
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4th round, # 106
too old for a higher spot
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Not sure, but I'll guess 4th round, #106.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Good guess
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I hope Ponder goes to the Broncos
and beats out Tebow for the starting gig. That would give Gator Fan a permanent shitfit…
by Pinto on Apr 28, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
id rather him beat Denver on the field with his own team
that way he can beat him straight up, in front of millions of people
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Jags
Draft Ponder at 16. Then trade Garrard to Denver for Tebow. Tickets sales go crazy. Tebow is the backup and declares that nobody will ever hold a clipboard better in the NFL.
"You make the helmet, the helmet doesn't make you." << Jimbo FN' Fisher
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My comment was intended to be taken facetiously, but you've forced me to ask...
…you would prefer to see Tebow remain as a starting QB in the NFL?
he wont stay a starting QB for long
at least, not a successful one. i know he will flounder sooner rather than later, so i dont bother to worry about him. just hope he can stick around long enough to play against Ponder with a good defense.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I might actually watch the draft tonight just to see where Ponder goes.
That will be the extent of my NFL watching for the year…
The QB situation in this draft is screwy. I know some teams have Ponder and Dalton higher than Gabbert.
by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I cannot for the life of me understand that.
I think Gabbert is heads and shoulders the best QB in the draft, if you take away Newton (because of his potential to abscond to Thailand with millions of Carolina Panther dollars)
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Jags at 16
Nothing else it would be the cherry on top for the all the remaining Tebowites
by Jonathan Loesche on Apr 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Am I the only one who thinks the Vikings need to do anything to get this guy?
With a solid running game I guess TN would be the team in the drivers seat but I think Ponder is made to be in MN. Small ball type of offense with a stud rb and good ol….I am not a viking fan, but it makes sense. Without Farve they need a steady qb and not a “might be” like the guys they have there now.
by pb4957 on Apr 28, 2011 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No.
They have a good young QB who was forced to play way before he was ready (pretty sure he didn’t even throw a TD pass), but will be pretty good when it’s all said and done.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
We (being the Vikings) do have a young, talented QB.
Joe Webb is his name by the way. He is likely going to be our starter, even if we do pick up McNabb (please god no) or Palmer (even worse), because he knows the playbook and players already. But we still need to pick up a QB just in case the flames we saw coming out of Webb’s ass were shortlived. Ponder is the most NFL ready of all the QB’s in the draft, and I think he would do well in Minneapolis, especially when most of the offensive workload would go on AP.
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Explain yourself
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
He was originally a WR in college, but played a little QB too. The Vikings drafted him as a WR, yes, but just as his college (UAB i think) did, we moved him to QB. He started his first game in Philly, and whopped some major ass. No, he did not throw a TD, but thats only because we have AP, he ran for 2.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you just tell yourself to explain yourself?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
by RollNole5 on Apr 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha no,
I asked B-rod24 to for calling Joe Webb a gimmick, but I guess he ddn’t want to.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I cant say I agree after watching Webb a few times. Just see him finding his way out of the league in a year or two unless he starts catching balls.
He seemed VERY athletic. But I am more of a pro pocket passer type of guy. They said during one game he averaged over 7 yards a carry or something like that.
Do you think he was made a QB more out of need than want?
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Apr 28, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He would have to be benched for quite a while to learn the WR scheme.
To answer the question, NO!!! We definately didn’t need a QB. Brett Farve had just had his greatest season as a QB, and we were looking at him as the 3rd string QB.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He does scramble very well,
but only because he had to. Our O-line was horrid last year, which contributed to Brett Farves concussions and overall suckiness last year.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly...
I don’t hink anyone can judge him with any type of accuracy. He’s a WR turned QB who was forced into playing time WAAAY to early on a team w/ a subpar OL.
If that’s not having the odds stacked against you, I don’t know what is…
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
He's over 60% in completions...
watch the Lions and Eagles games.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Peterson is on the slow way down now
RB’s best years are always their first 3, with few exceptions. Minnesota needs to make sure they have a viable QB for the days Peterson inevitably fails miserably (he does it every year), and they need a solid young RB so they dont have to pay him his next contract. anybody know of a RB that fits that mold this year in the first round, other than Ingram?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
not first round
you get a 4th round running back for backup duty. A guy like Jordan Todman in the 4th would be a great backup.
thats my thoughts as well
either its a QB thats pro-ready in the first or an OL, maybe the kid from Wisconsin or Castonzo. not sold on the JR from SoCal.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
No doubt we will be drafting OL and QB
I just hope that QB is Ponder. Not just because i’m a FSU fan, but because he has the abilities to become great.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No way.
Like I said, we had a horrid O-line, and I know RB’s have very short careers, but he will get us 1200+ yards a season for the next 5 years if we maintain a good Oline
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Forgot to say that we have Toby Gerhart as our other RB, and he has great potential as well. He doesn’t get as many touches as you would expect, being behind AP and all…
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
check the stats of the greats
trust me, he wont keep up that pace
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Just to throw one out....
Robert Smith. And he retired after his best season.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
not applicable
petersons rookie year-238 rushing attempts
Smith’s first 3 years-252 rushing attempts
history would say
he’s got 3 years at current production, a dip in the 4th year but still a top 10 back, and losing a lot of his production year 5
ding ding ding
he isnt going to drop off the face of the earth, but you cant expect the same production this year, and it will likely decrease each year.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
20 Tomahawk moneys says that he gets 1200+ yards this year.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
sure, this year
not 5 years from now, it doesn’t work that way
Not everything is scripted. Not everything has to go “a way”. He will no doubt go down as one of the greatest Vikes of all time by the time his career is over. My opinion is he still has not reached the top of the hill, your’s is he has. We are both righ, because opinions can’t be wrong.
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on - Winston Churchill
by Alittlemore_cowbell on Apr 28, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
no, opinions can be wrong
you can support your opinion with precedents and be more accurate than the other side. nobody can definitively prove either side until it happens, but you can be wrong on opinions. thats why there are professionals that scout NFL and NCAA prospects, and those that fail at it: its all a guess, but some people are better than others.
in short, either you are wrong or we are wrong. neither can prove it until it happens, but i have history on my side. if you are right, its because hes the exception to the rule.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
he hasn't reached full potential
but his career is limited by a 4 year window. He’s entering year 5 of his career. Year 9 of his career he shouldn’t be a capable starting RB anymore.
Year 5 of Tominson’s career- first 20 td season. year 6 was one of the best rb seasons of all time. year 9- 880 total yards from scrimmage
Eric Dickerson year 6 one of the best years of his career with over 2000 yards from scrimmage. year 9- 805 yards from scrimmage
look at terrell davis’ first 4 years with over 6000 yards rushing. his last 3 years he only had 1100 combined
Other RB’s that failed during their 9th season or sooner: Jamal Lewis, O.J.Simson, earl campbell, shaun alexander, Larry Johnson, jerome bettis, Corey Dillon, Priest Holmes, Clinton Portis, Ottis Anderson, Eddie George, Marshall Faulk, Thurman Thomas, and pretty much everyone else who wasn’t injured for seasons or spent their first few years with a low number of rushes
The exemptions: Walter Payton, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, emmitt smith, curtis martin
Webb does not know the playbook...
Webb doesn’t even have a playbook yet, Webb knew last season’s playbook, he does not know Musgraves playbook.
by Noles Fan in ND on Apr 28, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
SF + Ponder=Playoff contender
SF was a very good football team last year regardless of their record, they won me alot of money off the spreads last year. Westbrook looked to have a little left in the gas tank and they had another young back who made some nice runs I just cant remember who the kid was.
But Ponder to Crabtree, Ginn and V.Davis? Thats strong.
But as someone else said, should we be worried he is NFL ready? Does that shorten his career being plugged in immediately?
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
Ahhhhh it was Dixon. Plus Gore is healthy I am assuming?
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Apr 28, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I would just love to see the Ponder to Harvin connection.
I always thought that Harvin was the most talented player at UF in the last decade. Tebow was a talent, no doubt, but Harvin made that offense great and almost impossible to stop.
Harvin is not the same player he was at UF
strictly a slot receiver, not the everyskillpositionpossible player Meyer made him. still talented, but he isnt that kind of superstar in the NFL.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Are you kidding?
Harvin is still a threat everytime he touches the ball. Slot Reciever, K/O returns, and he does get a handful of carries a season, would be more if he stayed healthy.
by Noles Fan in ND on Apr 28, 2011 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
New England?
I would like to see Ponder get drafted by the brain that contols the Belichick. I think his intelligence and toughness would instantly gain the favor of Belichick. And I think he’d have a good shot at being able to heal, build arm strength, and learn the offense by sitting out until Brady moves on. I think NE could be one of the better long-term options for CP (assuming Bill sticks around).
Tom Brady is pretty much locked in the starters position for 4 years
at least 3. He just got that contract extension.
I thought that too.
Ponder could use 2 years to put on about 15 pounds and NE would be a place where he would Learn from a coach that can put a lb at tightend and score td’s.
This is slightly off-topic
But SBN’s final mock draft has Ingram going to the Pats…am I the only one who is slightly terrified about that (in a good way)?
As a football fan, mind you, not a Pats fan
How long is the 1st round?
Is it 10 minutes per pick?
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
10, 7, 5
for first, second, and the rest.
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Thanks. Trying to gage whether or not I'll be home
in time to see Ponder. If he goes.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he’s not in NY, so I’m not sure you’d get to see him on TV anyway.
by Gulfport Nole on Apr 28, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, no way does a QB whoes not going top 10 for sure show up
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Yeah, that sounded kinda dumb I guess.
Wasn’t hoping to run home and catch a glimpse of him. Just wanted to be watching if/when he was selected.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder is in Dallas, without a camera crew
so we wont get to see him at all, apparently. but its fine, i dont expect him to get drafted until the early to mid 2nd anyway.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Five of the 1st seven picks...SEC
I hope this helps put an end to all the hype.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
Wow. Didn't see him going 12 to the Vikings
But I sure do like it. Just hope they fix that dome lol
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
It was foreseen
Check out the number on Ponder’s shirt in the photo above…
TJack is gone...
Only 2 QB’s on the Vikings roster are Joe Webb & Rhett Bomar…and soon to be CP7. As a Vikings fan, I’m thrilled!
by Noles Fan in ND on Apr 28, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The reaction is mixed up here...
Most fans had him about #3 on their wishlists behind Gabbart and Locker. I think most fans wanted Prince out of Nebraska, and would have been fine with Ponder if the Vikes had traded back, but at 12 they are very mixed. Some happy, some pissed. A couple of local guys in the know actually started throwing out the Ponder @ #12 rumor or idea earlier today.
by Noles Fan in ND on Apr 28, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder #12 pick to Vikings!
Poor boy is gonna be damned cold.
WTG PONDER!!
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Yes!
This is fantastic. A great kid and great student. All those dopes on ESPN were wrong.
Wow!!! Outstanding, so proud of Christian!!!
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Apr 28, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
So happy for him. Drew, damn the damn thing boy
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
I LOVED GRUDEN'S REACTION
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Apr 28, 2011 9:20 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know much about football
but does anybody think Gruden really adds value as an announcer? Doesn’t seem like it to me.
I like him on MNF
always bustin’ Jaws’s chops
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
I think he's great
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Apr 28, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Great fit for CP7!
I think he will do great in Minnesota. Congrats CP!
by fsunole23 on Apr 28, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not a more deserving person on the planet.
Now, pay heem. Pay that meeyan his myoney.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
Didn't even think abotu that, but you're right
Da’Quan Bowers is now the Brady Quinn of this draft.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Detroit's GM is one great Seminole
He’s gonna get that team rebuilt right.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Dang, SICK d line
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
I've been waiting for this day for a long time!
How are you going to contain those two on the DL? Hopefully this will make the awful Detroit corners looks above average.
I could be wrong but i think this is FSU's first ever 1st round qb!
He deserves it, he has been the model Seminole! Congrats to him and I wish him a great career in the nfl!!
by Noleforever9399 on Apr 28, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
You're right
Not even Gary Huff went 1st round
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Bigger thing is....
now we can sell to recruits offensive skill players in the first round of the draft & what we do offensively “translates” to the NFL
It took Teabag twice this long to get drafted.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
And Ponder has AP to take the pressure off
Great offensive situation for Ponder.
A LOT of weapons for him.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Never mind....you just said that.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
and CP7 didnt have to play with kids testicles to do it either.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Read my sig line. Courtesy of harper.
Ponder is Maximus Awesomus.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
He will do great with a RB like Peterson
Helping them in that run game so it’s not all on him
Ponder to Percy will be funny
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
HAdnt thought of that lol
Well, there will definitely be accountability in Minnesota now.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
First ever FSU 1st round QB.
I’d love to see the smile on Jimbo’s face right now.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
But Bobby said he wasnt ever said to start
couldnt help myself…
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
To paraphrase a good book
The QB the Builder rejected has become a draft cornerstone.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I posted before I read yours doc,
I sware lol
by FSnowUknow on Apr 28, 2011 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
YES HE IS!
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Ponder should do well in Minnesota
Great running game, great corps of receivers. Great defense. Perfect situation for him, aside from having to go up against Suh and Fairley twice a year.
Damn glad to see Ponder in Minnesota!
Now Minnesota sports fans will have a former FSU QB and a could have been a former FSU QB in Joe Mauer…two #7’s maybe? Side note…the Vikings better address the OL with their 2nd round pick.
by Noles Fan in ND on Apr 28, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
He did do well up here...
And the Vikings fans up here loved him and still do.
by Noles Fan in ND on Apr 28, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Fairley will fit right in at Detroit.
Off the field, that is.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Apr 28, 2011 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
That kid is bad news.
Kind of the theme in the sec by far. Jenkins draft stock fell way off after his interviews as well, so he came back and got kicked out. Nice!
but he wears glasses...
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
I hope he does well. Wish him the best.
Speed is a great asset; but it's greater when it's combined with quickness - and there's a big difference.
- Ty Cobb
Crap.
how are my dolphins going to run the ball when the QB is chasing the snap across the field?
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
As a Dolphins fan I think its a decent pick.
As a Nole I wish we traded the pick.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Apr 28, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That pick sealed it.
Im no longer a dolphin fan. I quit tonight.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
guys
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Think deeper
Smart, very smart kid. Did this WHILE starting QB of an SEC team. Don’t underestimate smarts.
by PurpleJesus on Apr 28, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, SEC team. We are building a rep, or the guy really doesnt follow the college game.
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