Injuries Make For A Strange Spring For Seminoles
by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 11:21 AM EDT
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With the news that David Spurlock is out with headaches after suffering multiple concussions last season, it seems to be a good time to look at the injury situation.
There is both good news and bad here. The good is that almost all of the players out with injuries are expected back, and not just back for the regular season, but back for Summer workouts. And that means a lot of guys are getting reps who would normally not get the opportunity to do so, though that isn't exactly pleasing to offensive line coach Rick Trickett, who suggested that he feels more like a chaperon at the prom than an offensive line coach, given all the new recruits who forwent their final semester of high school to enroll early in Tallahassee.
But Florida State knew that 10 of the above players would be out for Spring. Most of them elected to forgo surgery during the season, and instead go under the knife in January. Those decisions helped propel Florida State to its best season in nearly a decade, which was parlayed into the top recruiting class in the country, and so on. FSU planned to have these guys out, and shouldn't really be able to complain too much about it now. Further, some of these guys don't really need the reps.
| Tight End | Right End |
| 49 Brandon Jenkins 6'3" 260 JR | |
| 85 Ja'Baris Little 6'4" 253 SR | 58 Dan Hicks 6'4" 269 R-SO |
| or 44 Will Tye 6'2" 246 R-FR | Left End |
| 95 Bjoern Werner 6'4" 278 SO | |
| Left Tackle | 91 Cornellius "Tank" Carradine 6'5" 255 JR |
| 76 Garrett Faircloth 6'7" 291 R-SO | Defensive Tackle |
| Left Guard | 93 Everett Dawkins 6'3" 285 R-JR |
| 60 Jacob Fahrenkrug 6'4" 307 JR | 97 Demonte McAllister 6'2" 290 SO |
| Nose Guard | |
| 59 Henry Orelus 6'3" 295 R-SO | 92 Anthony "Amp" McCloud 6'2" 302 R-JR |
| Center | |
| 94 Darious Cummings 6'2" 290 SO | |
| or 52 Bryan Stork 6'4" 293 R-SO | |
| 53 Sterling Lovelady 6'2" 277 FR | |
| Right Guard | |
| 52 Bryan Stork 6'4" 293 R-SO | |
| or |
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| 59 Henry Orelus 6'3" 295 R-SO | |
| Right Tackle | |
| 59 Henry Orelus 6'3" 295 R-SO | |
| 72 Daniel Foose 6'6" 285 R-FR |
Where this really hurts is continuity. The 3rd-team offensive line is now the second-team offensive line. The 2nd-team offensive line is now the starting unit. The first-team line has not had the chance to play and gel together, which is very important and should be a worry for 'Nole fans.
But on the defensive side, only one player is missing from the defensive line two-deep. And that's a talented defensive line, having finally matured physically. They are simply dominating the offensive line in practice, as should be fully expected when a good defensive line faces a bunch of true freshmen in Spring ball, some of whom are yet to turn 18. That's quite frustrating for the offense, as they are unable to run plays when the offensive line is a sieve.
But look on the bright side, FSU fans. FSU hasn't lost anyone this Spring to a season-ending injury **knock on wood**. Arizona State, on the other hand, lost its 1st-team Pac-10 cornerback and its top receiver in the same practice, both to season-ending ACL injuries! This is Spring, and you can bet that Jimbo Fisher would rather have his guys out for Spring if it meant they would be back for Summer, than he would a late-Summer injury.
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Saw somebody comment somewhere
That summer/fall is when you start worrying about the line gelling, and that spring is less important for gelling and more important for learning schemes/assignments. Truth?
In the first graphic you have kenny shaw listed twice and an "or" in front of tank sessions
but very useful article. feel free to delete this comment
Kenny may or may not make it as a reserve. The or is to denote he may or may not be a reserve in Tank’s case. C/p from depth chart
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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You have to take the bitter with the sweet.
I agree though, if we are going to be missing them, now is better than later.
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I'm confused...
Didn’t Holmes redshirt last season? Why would he wait until the end of the season for surgery or is he out from an injury from spring?
Garrett Faircloth
Who is leading for Sanders back up position right now? Foose or Faircloth? Who is better and brighter future?
i would think Faircloth, since he is practicing at LT (best OL) with the 1s
havent heard anything on Foose, or at least nothing i can recall of any importance
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Faircloth has been doing very well at LT
fully expect him to be the no 1 Tackle behind Sanders and Datko come fall.
A little history, Faircloth graduated HS @ about 260 lbs in 2008 as a 2 star. Played a lot of DT and DE in HS, as well as T and is very athletic. Ran around great, probably not 6’6 that his profile says. Very light on his feet. Very much your “Trickett” OL.
Foose is a big boned kid. Graduated @ over 300lbs in 2010. Played NT and G in HS, much more of a ‘run stopper’ NT, didn’t get into the backfield a lot, but would eat up 2 guys on the line. Doesn’t play as quick or as athletic as Faircloth does, in HS couldn’t move around like Faircloth could. But is pretty huge. Came out rated a better prospect than Faircloth. If I had to guess, I would say that Foose was more of a Fisher choice than a Trickett choice.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - John Steinbeck
"und keine eier"
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Perhaps it will help EJ?
kinda like a doughnut on a baseball bat, play with the 2nd team for Spring, come Fall hell be feeling nice and cushy behind the 1500lb wall
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Yeah. plus just him being healthy for the spring is nice.
’Bout time he got to take a snap or two in April.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
But the swing is not the same
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Dang..I didn't know Kenny had gotten hurt.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban
Darius Cummings as a NG?
Is he just down as a nose guard for the 2-deep spring roster or are they really looking at using him in that role? Erving would be the 3rd string NG typically and Cummings would follow in the footsteps of Dawkins and be a smaller DT, correct?
Personally, I’m not expecting Erving to crack the two deep if everyone is healthy and with the talented crew we have coming in.
He was listed there for a time last year. I too like him at DT
Yeah, Erving may need another year.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Even after McDaniel and McCloud leave, those younger guys are loaded with talent and if they can work hard in the weight room they’ll likely jump Erving. Erving needed a lot of conditioning work judging by his improportional frame—tiny legs for his massive upper body. No idea how he looks now.
He looks less soft than last year from pics I've seen. still not great, but better
Plus he looks huge because he’s 6’5"
he dwarfs the other guys
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"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Another monster I can't wait to see on Campus..
Is Josue Matias sp? that man is a man!
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Budlofsky: [Matheson is smoking weed] No, I can't. My wife can always tell. She can smell it on my sweater.
Matheson: [laughs] You want my vest? It smell good.
Budlofsky: It's not my style.
Matheson: You ain't got no style, muthaf*^%a!.
I think he may get some PT, but you’re right, he will be in a dogfight in 2012.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Our '11 DL class are going to need to work hard for the next 1-2 years
to keep their jobs after the ’11 guys show up
Championship!
When you say back for Mid summer
in what month would that be, when exactly is the start of Summer workouts btw?
"We have to start over. We have to develop our own identity, our own chemistry, our own unity, our own vision of where we want to go...This is just the beginning. Because remember one thing – I tell you all the time: Boys do what they want to do. Champions do what they’ve got to do. " CJF
I consider Summer May 1, so sometime in June
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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alright thanks
"We have to start over. We have to develop our own identity, our own chemistry, our own unity, our own vision of where we want to go...This is just the beginning. Because remember one thing – I tell you all the time: Boys do what they want to do. Champions do what they’ve got to do. " CJF
Heard he is doing ok.
There’s not much room for PT, though, because FSU didn’t lose anyone.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Gehres projection for 2011
75 catches, 1400yds, 13TD’s
Book it.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
I'd buy that for a dollar.
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"und keine eier"
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
can i take the under?
because i would drop a cool $100 and take it to the bank in January.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
there is no under
old movie reference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - John Steinbeck
"und keine eier"
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Shaw
I was out at practice today for the first half hour and I saw Kenny Shaw working out with the first team. Also, Spurlock wasn’t wearing shells.
Good to see K-Shaw back from his minor concussion or head ding or whatever it was.
Yeah, Spurlock… not sure if he comes back.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I was told 8 weeks
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Disc in his lower back
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Well I'm guessing it's jsut precation.
Its better to leave him out for spring, than have the injury nag him all season.
well stop working them so damn hard and they wont brake so easy
The good thing here is a few years back Trickett took the worst and youngest o-line in the ACC and turned them into the best. Im not worried other than we need them to get healthy. thats it.
Why is the sky blue? Because, God Loves the Infantry
is that sarcasm?
an infantry man wants us to go easier on our team? does…not…compute…
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
oh, Moses isnt doing so good
weight is the least of his concern. poor guy, he works hard, but he cant seem to stay healthy.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I do not expect Moses to play again.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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my first comment
SWEET. I CAN’T WAIT FOR FALL!!
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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This is expected
I would imagine a lot of injuries. They have the ability off season to really tear it up in the gym and also many of the players are learning new techniques and plays theyre bodies may not be adapted for.
by TampaDivorceAttorney on Apr 8, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
It looks like our offensive line is going to be solid...
Injuries aren’t helping, but we might have the most dominant line in ACC. That is surprising especially losing Hudson to the NFL. Fahrenkrug was such a huge pickup for our program. If we can establish some sort of consistent running game, EJ is going to have a monster year.
so...
what really is the projection if Fahrenkrug stays at C? It sounds like he’s really getting it done there, and if so do they let him run with it? Questions: 1) how does our O-line look as far as who fills each position if he were to stay at C? 2) do you like that better than the alternative? 3) does CJF’s milkshake in fact “bring all the boys to the yard”?
by SFLOnole on Apr 8, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Snider at LG, Stork at RG, Fahrenkrug at C
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Spurlock
Am I the only one that is really questioning the fact that Spurlock may ever play for us again??
I think we should be preparing for the realization that he has played his last snap here for us. Sux, but it’s the vibe I’m getting.
just saw Bud's comments above
so I know I’m not.
we'll miss him
but I think we will still have a decent group.
Another thing that missing the starting OL hinders is
the RBs—esp. the young ones—ability to become familiar with and develop trust with the individual OL, e.g., each OL has strengths & weaknesses. Devonta is missing sort of familiarity that is acquired in spring. Moreover, having many different starting OL lineups—I think we had 6 different OL lineups last seasons—also hinders our running game.
Championship!
Good point
Although I think this is minimized when RBs are taught what the OL is supposed to do on each play. While familiarity definitely helps, I don’t think it is as important as, say, when you have an incompetent RB coach.
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