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Injuries Make For A Strange Spring For Seminoles

With the news that David Spurlock is out with headaches after suffering multiple concussions last season, it seems to be a good time to look at the injury situation.  

There is both good news and bad here.  The good is that almost all of the players out with injuries are expected back, and not just back for the regular season, but back for Summer workouts.  And that means a lot of guys are getting reps who would normally not get the opportunity to do so, though that isn't exactly pleasing to offensive line coach Rick Trickett, who suggested that he feels more like a chaperon at the prom than an offensive line coach, given all the new recruits who forwent their final semester of high school to enroll early in Tallahassee.

But Florida State knew that 10 of the above players would be out for Spring.  Most of them elected to forgo surgery during the season, and instead go under the knife in January.  Those decisions helped propel Florida State to its best season in nearly a decade, which was parlayed into the top recruiting class in the country, and so on.  FSU planned to have these guys out, and shouldn't really be able to complain too much about it now.  Further, some of these guys don't really need the reps.

Tight End Right End
88 Beau Reliford 6'6" 260 SR 49 Brandon Jenkins 6'3" 260 JR
85 Ja'Baris Little 6'4" 253 SR 58 Dan Hicks 6'4" 269 R-SO
or 44 Will Tye 6'2" 246 R-FR Left End
or 47 Tank Sessions 6'6" 255 R-FR 95 Bjoern Werner 6'4" 278 SO
Left Tackle 91 Cornellius "Tank" Carradine 6'5" 255 JR
67 Andrew Datko 6'6" 311 SR
76 Garrett Faircloth 6'7" 291 R-SO Defensive Tackle
Left Guard 93 Everett Dawkins 6'3" 285 R-JR
60 Jacob Fahrenkrug 6'4" 307 JR 97 Demonte McAllister 6'2" 290 SO
61 Blake Snider 6'3" 294 R-SO Nose Guard
59 Henry Orelus 6'3" 295 R-SO 92 Anthony "Amp" McCloud 6'2" 302 R-JR
Center or 55 Jacobbi McDaniel 6'0" 301 JR
79 David Spurlock 6'4" 300 SR 94 Darious Cummings 6'2" 290 SO
or 52 Bryan Stork 6'4" 293 R-SO  
53 Sterling Lovelady 6'2" 277 FR  
Right Guard  
52 Bryan Stork 6'4" 293 R-SO  
or 79 David Spurlock 6'4" 300 SR  
59 Henry Orelus 6'3" 295 R-SO  
Right Tackle  
77 Zebrie Sanders 6'6" 307 SR  
59 Henry Orelus 6'3" 295 R-SO  
72 Daniel Foose 6'6" 285 R-FR

Where this really hurts is continuity.  The 3rd-team offensive line is now the second-team offensive line.  The 2nd-team offensive line is now the starting unit.  The first-team line has not had the chance to play and gel together, which is very important and should be a worry for 'Nole fans.  

But on the defensive side, only one player is missing from the defensive line two-deep.  And that's a talented defensive line, having finally matured physically.  They are simply dominating the offensive line in practice, as should be fully expected when a good defensive line faces a bunch of true freshmen in Spring ball, some of whom are yet to turn 18. That's quite frustrating for the offense, as they are unable to run plays when the offensive line is a sieve.

But look on the bright side, FSU fans.  FSU hasn't lost anyone this Spring to a season-ending injury **knock on wood**.  Arizona State, on the other hand, lost its 1st-team Pac-10 cornerback and its top receiver in the same practice, both to season-ending ACL injuries!   This is Spring, and you can bet that Jimbo Fisher would rather have his guys out for Spring if it meant they would be back for Summer, than he would a late-Summer injury. 

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That summer/fall is when you start worrying about the line gelling, and that spring is less important for gelling and more important for learning schemes/assignments. Truth?

by BenDNole on Apr 7, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Kenny may or may not make it as a reserve. The or is to denote he may or may not be a reserve in Tank’s case. C/p from depth chart

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ah that makes sense about Kenny. I didn’t see the or in front of McDaniel, so thought that was an editing error.

by MWM Nole on Apr 7, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to take the bitter with the sweet.

I agree though, if we are going to be missing them, now is better than later.

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by Miaminole on Apr 7, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm confused...

Didn’t Holmes redshirt last season? Why would he wait until the end of the season for surgery or is he out from an injury from spring?

by KnoxNole on Apr 7, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Garrett Faircloth

Who is leading for Sanders back up position right now? Foose or Faircloth? Who is better and brighter future?

by fsuchiro on Apr 7, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Closed practices - no one knows

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Apr 7, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would think Faircloth, since he is practicing at LT (best OL) with the 1s

havent heard anything on Foose, or at least nothing i can recall of any importance

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 7, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Faircloth has been doing very well at LT

fully expect him to be the no 1 Tackle behind Sanders and Datko come fall.

A little history, Faircloth graduated HS @ about 260 lbs in 2008 as a 2 star. Played a lot of DT and DE in HS, as well as T and is very athletic. Ran around great, probably not 6’6 that his profile says. Very light on his feet. Very much your “Trickett” OL.

Foose is a big boned kid. Graduated @ over 300lbs in 2010. Played NT and G in HS, much more of a ‘run stopper’ NT, didn’t get into the backfield a lot, but would eat up 2 guys on the line. Doesn’t play as quick or as athletic as Faircloth does, in HS couldn’t move around like Faircloth could. But is pretty huge. Came out rated a better prospect than Faircloth. If I had to guess, I would say that Foose was more of a Fisher choice than a Trickett choice.

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by harper.rb on Apr 7, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Apr 8, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps it will help EJ?

kinda like a doughnut on a baseball bat, play with the 2nd team for Spring, come Fall hell be feeling nice and cushy behind the 1500lb wall

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by NorFla_Nole on Apr 7, 2011 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah. plus just him being healthy for the spring is nice.

’Bout time he got to take a snap or two in April.

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on Apr 7, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the swing is not the same

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Don’t want him getting happy feet. He’s a great runner, but you don’t want him to get in the habit of leaving the pocket prematurely

by MWM Nole on Apr 7, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dang..I didn't know Kenny had gotten hurt.

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by goatnole76 on Apr 7, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Darius Cummings as a NG?

Is he just down as a nose guard for the 2-deep spring roster or are they really looking at using him in that role? Erving would be the 3rd string NG typically and Cummings would follow in the footsteps of Dawkins and be a smaller DT, correct?

Personally, I’m not expecting Erving to crack the two deep if everyone is healthy and with the talented crew we have coming in.

by NOLEinTX on Apr 7, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

He was listed there for a time last year. I too like him at DT

Yeah, Erving may need another year.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even after McDaniel and McCloud leave, those younger guys are loaded with talent and if they can work hard in the weight room they’ll likely jump Erving. Erving needed a lot of conditioning work judging by his improportional frame—tiny legs for his massive upper body. No idea how he looks now.

by NOLEinTX on Apr 7, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he dwarfs the other guys

http://warchant.zenfolio.com/p1062761743/e21dad605

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 7, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another monster I can't wait to see on Campus..

Is Josue Matias sp? that man is a man!

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Budlofsky: [Matheson is smoking weed] No, I can't. My wife can always tell. She can smell it on my sweater.
Matheson: [laughs] You want my vest? It smell good.
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Matheson: You ain't got no style, muthaf*^%a!.

by YouNoleIt on Apr 7, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he may get some PT, but you’re right, he will be in a dogfight in 2012.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you say back for Mid summer

in what month would that be, when exactly is the start of Summer workouts btw?

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by FS4Nole on Apr 7, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I consider Summer May 1, so sometime in June

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

alright thanks

"We have to start over. We have to develop our own identity, our own chemistry, our own unity, our own vision of where we want to go...This is just the beginning. Because remember one thing – I tell you all the time: Boys do what they want to do. Champions do what they’ve got to do. " CJF

by FS4Nole on Apr 7, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

How is Gehres doing?

You think he’ll see playing time this season?

by RoyalOaksNole on Apr 7, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Heard he is doing ok.

There’s not much room for PT, though, because FSU didn’t lose anyone.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gehres projection for 2011

75 catches, 1400yds, 13TD’s

Book it.

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by CornNole on Apr 7, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd buy that for a dollar.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - John Steinbeck
"und keine eier"
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer

by harper.rb on Apr 7, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

can i take the under?

because i would drop a cool $100 and take it to the bank in January.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 8, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

there is no under

old movie reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - John Steinbeck
"und keine eier"
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer

by harper.rb on Apr 8, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shaw

I was out at practice today for the first half hour and I saw Kenny Shaw working out with the first team. Also, Spurlock wasn’t wearing shells.

by PJB10c on Apr 7, 2011 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to see K-Shaw back from his minor concussion or head ding or whatever it was.

Yeah, Spurlock… not sure if he comes back.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was told 8 weeks

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 7, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disc in his lower back

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 8, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well I'm guessing it's jsut precation.

Its better to leave him out for spring, than have the injury nag him all season.

by FSUNole51 on Apr 9, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

well stop working them so damn hard and they wont brake so easy

The good thing here is a few years back Trickett took the worst and youngest o-line in the ACC and turned them into the best. Im not worried other than we need them to get healthy. thats it.

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by Desman on Apr 7, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

is that sarcasm?

an infantry man wants us to go easier on our team? does…not…compute…

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 8, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, Moses isnt doing so good

weight is the least of his concern. poor guy, he works hard, but he cant seem to stay healthy.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Apr 8, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do not expect Moses to play again.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 12, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

my first comment

SWEET. I CAN’T WAIT FOR FALL!!

by CPTJ.SPARROW on Apr 8, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome!

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 12, 2011 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is expected

I would imagine a lot of injuries. They have the ability off season to really tear it up in the gym and also many of the players are learning new techniques and plays theyre bodies may not be adapted for.

by TampaDivorceAttorney on Apr 8, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It looks like our offensive line is going to be solid...

Injuries aren’t helping, but we might have the most dominant line in ACC. That is surprising especially losing Hudson to the NFL. Fahrenkrug was such a huge pickup for our program. If we can establish some sort of consistent running game, EJ is going to have a monster year.

by fsujets on Apr 8, 2011 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

so...

what really is the projection if Fahrenkrug stays at C? It sounds like he’s really getting it done there, and if so do they let him run with it? Questions: 1) how does our O-line look as far as who fills each position if he were to stay at C? 2) do you like that better than the alternative? 3) does CJF’s milkshake in fact “bring all the boys to the yard”?

by SFLOnole on Apr 8, 2011 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Snider at LG, Stork at RG, Fahrenkrug at C

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Apr 12, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spurlock

Am I the only one that is really questioning the fact that Spurlock may ever play for us again??

I think we should be preparing for the realization that he has played his last snap here for us. Sux, but it’s the vibe I’m getting.

by ActiveAgent on Apr 9, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope

In fact I think most people here don’t expect much from him this year.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Apr 9, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

we'll miss him

but I think we will still have a decent group.

by ActiveAgent on Apr 9, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing that missing the starting OL hinders is

the RBs—esp. the young ones—ability to become familiar with and develop trust with the individual OL, e.g., each OL has strengths & weaknesses. Devonta is missing sort of familiarity that is acquired in spring. Moreover, having many different starting OL lineups—I think we had 6 different OL lineups last seasons—also hinders our running game.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Apr 9, 2011 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point

Although I think this is minimized when RBs are taught what the OL is supposed to do on each play. While familiarity definitely helps, I don’t think it is as important as, say, when you have an incompetent RB coach.

by MWM Nole on Apr 9, 2011 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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