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How Aggressive Will FSU's Defense Be In 2011?

The issue of FSU's defensive philosophy and the probable changes it will undergo in 2011 was broached in the Ongoing Discussion Thread by Devnole: "Can someone with some insight comment on whether we will continue to see the "bend don’t break" approach to defense in the coming season, or will Stoops be tightening things up in his second year?"  Let's answer that question today.

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The numbers are pretty clear. In ACC play, FSU forced 14 turnovers in 2010, 16 in 2009, 18 in 2008, 19 in 2007, and 7(yes, 7) in 2006.  That's not awful, but this year FSU should expect the defense to get the ball back to the tremendous offense quicker via an interception, a lucky rumble fumble recovery, or a forced punt.  Games like NC State, Carolina, and Clemson come to mind, not to mention Oklahoma and Virginia Tech.

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The folks over at Football Outsiders have run the numbers and insist that fumble recovery is a random event. Once the ball hits the turf you might as well flip a coin to determine who gets it. That makes it susceptible to the law of averages and the inevitable attraction of the mean. So, given that, what might the data suggest?

% Of Opponent Fumbles Recovered By FSU

YearF-R (%)
2006 12-3 (25%)
2007 12-5 (41%)
2008 13-10 (77%)
2009 9-8 (89%)
2010 10-5 (50%)

Looks like a pretty random pattern there.  But it does give us a good base from which to work, as FSU was neither lucky nor unlucky in 2010.  They were lucky in 2009 and 2008, and unlucky in 2006.  Such is variance.

So how does a team go about getting turnovers?

There are two ways.  A team can be very aggressive, selling out for negative plays and turnovers.  That strategy can be effective, but it is also risky and exposes a team to big plays.  It's also a high-variance strategy that does not lend itself to consistency.

Or, a team can put opponents in favorable (for the defense) down-and-distance, creating leverage.  As a product of a lucky bounce, fumble recoveries can happen on any play, but interceptions are more likely to occur when the offense is pressured.  Again, how is the offense pressured?  Either by the risky approach above, or, through situational pressure brought on by the bad situation.  And how is that situation created?  By winning first and second down.  How is this done?  Let's take Nick Saban's words, under whom Jimbo Fisher worked for years, and adapt it slightly to defensive coordinator Mark Stoops' philosophy:

"[Our] philosophy on first and second down is to stop the run and play good zone pass defense. We will occasionally play man-to-man and blitz in this situation. On third down, we will primarily play zone and mix-in some zone blitzes, as well as a bit of man-to-man. We will rush four or more players versus the pass about 80-percent of the time.

"In all situations, we will defend the inside or middle of the field first - defend inside to outside. Against the run, we will not allow the ball to be run inside. We want to force the ball outside. Against the pass, we will not allow the ball to be thrown deep down the middle or inside. We want to force the ball to be thrown short and/or outside. This is a more difficult play for the offense to execute. We will not allow big plays. It is very difficult for an offense to consistently move the ball down the field in small chunks. A penalty, turnover, or mental error will most likely end the drive.

So how do we answer the question of "bend but don't break?"

The answer is that in similar situations, Stoops will probably not be more aggressive.  However, if FSU can create more instance of certain situations, then that means there is simply more opportunities to be aggressive, as opposed to being more aggressive on a down-by-down basis.

So how does FSU create more favorable defensive situations?  How does the 41st-best defense (better against the pass than the run) improve?  Two ways:

By being better on 1st and 2nd down, of course.  That will come with better depth, experience, and talent up front, which the 'Noles now have.  And it will come if Greg Reid tackles better.  Xavier Rhodes and Mike Harris, FSU's #1 and #3 corners are excellent tacklers.  But Reid is incredibly inconsistent at tackling and his form is downright awful.  A few big hits does not absolve him for his poor tackling.  Reid is a bit bigger, however, and should be at least somewhat better.  The way teams play defense nowadays is to allow the short pass to the outside and then tackle it.  Offenses are simply too good in the modern era for a defense to worry about giving up a three-yard gain on a quick bubble.  FSU will continue to play it that way, there is nothing wrong with doing so, and it will work if the players tackle.  How do I know?  I watch other elite defenses like Oklahoma and Alabama do the same.

If FSU creates more favorable defensive situations, and the fumble recovery luck stays static, you will see more aggressive defensive play.  Not from a change in philosophy, but from an increase in the number of opportunities in which it pays to be aggressive.

And with that should come more turnovers.  Stoops has plenty of exotic blitzes he can use if he gets the right situations, and Lamarcus Joyner at safety has much better range than either Parks or Moody, so that should help as well.

Know what else should help?  Familiarity.  You saw the games last year.  That was not a good defense, it was just a competent defense.  That was a major improvement from the 107th defense in 2009, but as the players get more comfortable with the new concepts of spacing, hedging, reading, passing players off, etc., they will create more turnovers.

A prediction?  FSU picked off 9 passes in conference last season.  I'd be surprised if the 'Noles don't intercept 13 this year in ACC play.  That's a 44% increase.  I won't predict fumbles as predicting random events is silly.

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This is great stuff, as always. One quick question: Is a lucky rumble recovery when a defensive lineman picks up a fumble and “rumbles” to the goal line?

by captaind7 on May 17, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Well done

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

ruh roh

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on May 17, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

We know fumble recoveries are a stochastic process

But what about forced fumbles in of themselves?

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on May 17, 2011 10:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I wondered the same thing

We’ve all seen teams that seem to put a priority on knocking the ball loose. While recovery of any particular fumble is luck, it stands to reason that the more fumbles a team creates, the more opportunities they have to get lucky.

by captaind7 on May 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

And the more times the fumbling O is put in poor down and distance situations.

Often times, a fumble results in lack of positive yards. If the D causes more fumbles it stands to reason that the opponent will have to throw more which should inflate out INT numbers.

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by Jamil Dawson on May 17, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fumble creation is not random only recovery

It just happens that some strategies one would teach to create fumbles (like stripping) are a risk reward dichotomy. Putting your harty on the ball is taught by all coaches st all levels I believe and therefore I dont think one can expect any measurable difference from team to team here that doesnt have a link with improved talent.

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by AMFKNole on May 17, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Clay Matthews comes to mind. He usually looks for help, if it’s there he goes for the strip, if not he wraps up. Smart football.

by Moojenowski on May 17, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This brought to mind

The situation when Bob Stoops left Florida. The new defensive coordinator claimed he would change only one thing- he would get his guys to strip more footballs. Guess how much the tackling improved? Stripping the ball is great for underdog teams and NFL teams that can afford to lose a few games. Not good for national champ contenders. Tackling suffers too much when you foster that mindset.

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by Ponder This on May 17, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

High rish-reward strategy

Great point

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on May 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

I really have no idea where we are in familiarity with the D, but ‘exotic blitzes’ gets me rowdy.

by NOLEmercy3 on May 17, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

We saw a couple in the UVA game

and I loved the CB blitz with XR.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

so we were 41-best defense in 2010

any predictions as far as 2011?

I, for one, am excited to see the improvement in year 2.

by NolenRyan on May 17, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

The most recent TN estimate I have seen is top 25.

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by AMFKNole on May 17, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

33.03

repeating, of course

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on May 17, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that was subtle...well done

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on May 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

"a team can put opponents in favorable (for the defense) down-and-distance, creative leverage"

Are we prepared to keep pace with the OU offense?

Have we learned enough within the defense to line up properly? Than we can tackle properly.

by BucsNolesRays on May 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

lining up properly was 90% of the problem last year.

I think the game would have been much different if we had played them towards the end of the year not to mention after an entire season in the new scheme. Mind you I think we still would have lost, just not by close to 40.

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by freshcollegeboy on May 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Before the season starts

we’ll have a break down of all the ACC defenses (and offenses) to show which teams were really good/bad at putting teams in unfavorable situations.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

IIRC

Our defence was horrible on third down. In the NC State and VT games in particular, we had them in third and long many times. I started to dread third a long because, I just knew they would hit a wide open receiver standing on the side line 30 to 40 yds. down field.

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by jskipnole on May 17, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Never dread third and long

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by AMFKNole on May 17, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this is exactly why 1st and 2nd are important.

Even in the OU game where we couldn’t seemingly stop anything. They converted 100% of standard 3rd downs and 50% of non-standard.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing to note about the OU game.

They ran the ball 22 times for only 2.91 ypp. However, all 22 runs came on standard downs and they were successful plays 63.6% of the time. Again, putting teams in unfavorable distance makes defense much easier.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Does that include sacks, the weird backwards fumble?

Also they ran it a lot on the goal line.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sacks went against the pass.

I’m torn on what to do with that fumble. I’m pretty sure it was going to be a pass, but not 100%. I also don’t want to call it a sack. I’m thinking of how to account for it, not decided yet.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously, you are the best. We are really lucky to have you doing this.

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think I may have a way to count that fumble

not sure if it will cause other problems. But, counting it as a pass (not a sack or incomplete) might work. Given that they had 21 runs, all on standard downs, for 3.67 ypp and 66.67% success rate. Yes, there were a few goal line runs that brought ypp down. THIS is why I think success rate is the best measure of per play.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

err, should say an important measure, not necessarily the best.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

excuse the ignorance

maybe I just fail at google, but I couldn’t quickly find a link that explains this. On x-and-goal situations, are the downs success rates the same as normal situations? That is, on 1st and goal from the 2 yard line do you have to make it to the 1 for it to be successful?

by stevib on May 18, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great question, not ignorant at all.

Yes, you’re correct. But, I’ve been considering a better way to evaluate successful plays inside the 10 (something like 30%, 60%, 100%). I need to do a little more research, though.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 18, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

And considering increments of yard fractions.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 18, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just to thoroughly beat the horse,

FSU converted 3/4 standard 3rd downs and 0/6 non-standard.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How about NC State?

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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't gotten to that game yet.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

apologies.

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude.....if i could rec this again i would!

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on May 17, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasnt aware that OU was forced into any 3rd downs in that game...

I just wanna forget that game forever.

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by CornNole on May 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

See Dr. Ken’s comment above.

The 3rd-and-longs were memorable, but NC State and VT ran well against FSU and stayed out of 3rd-long for the most part.

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember 3rd downs

But not 3rd and long. It seemed it was a short enough distance that our DL couldn’t just tee off, but had to try to contain Wilson and Taylor from getting 4-5 yds.

by BenDNole on May 17, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Blame Moody for VT

That white kid ran by him a gazillion times on 3rd down and was wide open every time.

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by freshcollegeboy on May 17, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Coale was no slouch

their 2nd leading receiver with over 700 yards.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i got hit (by my fairer half) for yelling at him

i was at the game, and i started yelling “come on, i know he’s white and slowish, but he IS an eligible receiver! what the hell are you looking at, Moody?” it drew laughs and eased the frustration around me, but apparently our secondary didnt hear me.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on May 17, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't we even try covering him with Jenkins or White?

Talk about running out of options.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zone blitz that was all kinds of messed up.

Got your e-mail btw. We’ll need to talk about crafting it.

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ayt.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Along these lines

I think pass deflected INTs are a lot of luck too. EJs INT vs VT comes to mind.

by vickers8 on May 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Tight coverage creates those opportunities.

Good defenses put themselves in position to create those breaks.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

how does tight coverage help if the ball travels far from the deflection?

Jmac and Bowers had int’s and they’re not even in coverage.

I understand some schemes help get int’s but where a ball goes after the deflection seems completely random to me. Like when that one ball that dropped right into Rodney Smith’s lap while he was on the ground. Loved that play.

by vickers8 on May 17, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wasn't disagreeing with you

just adding to your point.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

while the interception was luck - the deflection that caused it was not - it was a good play and a late throw

EJ seems to have a habit of the late throw on the short route – I assume it is becasue it is his third or so read – but even so – he is slow to pull the trigger after he stares down the reciever.

by 93noleman on May 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had the same problem Ponder had

Was his receiver going to run the right route?

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by freshcollegeboy on May 17, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on where the pass is deflected IMO.

If you’re 6’0 as opposed to 6’5, my guess is that youll have more passes deflected at the LOS.

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by CornNole on May 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I recently watched the spring game again.

I saw Reid try to thow his little body into #15 (Shaw?), bounce off, and let the reciever get a good gain. FAIL.

I saw his do it again late in the game, same reciever, same position. This time #15 was focusing on the ball, wihch wasn’t perfect, and the “Lattimore Layout” worked.

Reid hasn’t changed. He tries to compensate for his size by throwing his body into the receiver rather than wrapping up. When the reciever sees it coming— and anyone watching film like OU will be ready now—he can be sidestepped, stiff-armed, and neutralized.

Let’s see if the coaches are willing to continue to put up with his 50% tackling rate.

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by PeachTreeNole on May 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

he did get better though as the year wore on

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think 15 is Dent, no?

I’ll be shocked if Reid doesn’t improve his tackling this year. He was embarrassed in national TV last year, in a game where his team desperately needed him to perform.

If he doesn’t “get it” in 2011, I will be really disappointed. Reid has incredible football instincts, and it would be a shame for him to be benched because he’s more concerned with his highlight reel than helping his team.

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by CornNole on May 17, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There were two #15's on Gold

…and neither were Shaw. ;)

I remember cursing Reid after that play as well. He was also way out of position a couple of times. People don’t like to remember the big plays he allowed, only the TD (he stepped out on the 3, by the way).

by SDnole on May 17, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

(he stepped out on the 3, by the way).

This was probably the only realistic part of the spring game….bad call. At least they didn’t call roughing the passer on Greg…he did make contact with EJ at the goal line.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 17, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He responded back in general.....apparently you were not the only 1 who told him that & he wasn't happy.

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by DRusso97 on May 18, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good if he wasn't happy about hearing it. He has no excuse for not getting it fixed.

If he doesn’t, I can guarantee you that guys like Mike Harris will benefit. After Harris leaves, we have other options to take his place as well, some of which I know have no problem sticking their nose in the breastplate (Joyner), possibly relegating Greg to returning punts full-time. Nobody wants this to happen because Greg is a great talent, but at some point enough is enough. We should be seeing improvement by now. To me, this is as much about mental toughness as anything, and Jimbo sort of puts an emphasis on that.

There’s no doubt Greg is one of the biggest playmakers on the team, and has as much of the “it” factor as anyone on defense OR offense, but high risk/high reward is something that a coach like Jimbo is only going to tolerate for so long as he gives him a reasonable amount of time to work it out and improve. Continue to ignore it and I think he’ll sit him down for a spell, especially considering we have the quality behind him to allow it to be done.

by lawdy15 on May 20, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about his stepping out of bounds on his Spring Game "pick-6"....but I agree about the tackling.

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by DRusso97 on May 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Ask a question and get a front page post in response :) This is the kind of thing I love about TN :)

I really like the concept that you don’t need to change your philosophy, but by being better on 1st and 2nd downs you have more opportunities to be aggressive and therefore “appear” to be more aggressive in general.

I also agree with everything you said about Reid. I was re-watching the SC game last night and thinking about Reid’s boom/bust style. I love the spark that he brings, but I can’t help but think that we would be better (certainly more consistent) with Rhodes and Harris as #1 and #2. I think that consistency is a hallmark of really good teams.

by devnole on May 17, 2011 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

(Sorry on Mobile), with his tackling. The Oklahoma game was a disaster for him. Although, I thought he played much better after that game but still had a couple others after where he was caught up in doing the same thing.

by jenolesone on May 17, 2011 1:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Interesting philosophies

I find it interesting that our defense is predicated on the opponent’s inability to consistently execute.

“We will not allow big plays. It is very difficult for an offense to consistently move the ball down the field in small chunks. A penalty, turnover, or mental error will most likely end the drive.”

Meanwhile, our offense will operate by repeatedly executing plays that are difficult to stop.

Basically, consistancy and execution are the only keys to success.

I apoplogize to those you nearly go mad with clown nightmares at the mention of execution.

Process > Results

by TBfisherman on May 17, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

haha

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by Bud Elliott on May 17, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

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by CornNole on May 18, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

All the pre-snap reads our offense makes definitely is a big factor as to why our offense is slower than some.

But I would much rather have a complex offense that involves all those reads than the Auburn “see a number, and thats a play offense” lol

Bud where would you rank our offense in terms of complexity? Top 10, top 20 in the nation? or lower than that? (I realize that this really isnt a fair question, because its hard to know about all the other offenses in the country.)

by Noleforever9399 on May 17, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I totally just posted this on the wrong story!

Sorry about that guys! Might be time for me to go to bed lol

by Noleforever9399 on May 17, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

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