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FSU News & Notes 05.19.11

An excellent collection of FSU news and notes today for your enjoyment. I hope you will make this your one-stop-shop for all things FSU.

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Featured Video: Bentley Kicks FSU To ’93 National Title – LostLettermen.com
It’s "Florida State week" at Lost Lettermen and today we remember the 1994 Orange Bowl, where the Seminoles won their first national title under Bobby Bowden.

2011 College Football Bowl Projections: Super Early Edition - Mountain West Connection

January 3 or 4, 2012 Miami, FL
Orange Bowl 8:00 pm ESPN
ACC No. 1 vs. BCS at-large
Way Too Early Projection: Florida State vs. Boise State

The Broncos land here by beating TCU late in the season and since the Orange Bowl has the last selection of the BCS bowl games.

I don't think Boise can handle FSU's defense.

My vote: ACC's offensive player of the year - ACC Blog - ESPN

The votes are in. At last count, Florida State quarterback EJ Manuel was the people's choice for this year's ACC offensive player of the year.

Couldn't agree more.

My vote: Manuel

Making the case for Manuel: If Florida State lives up to the hype this season and delivers on an ACC title or more, it's going to be hard to ignore the quarterback who took them there. And Manuel definitely has the proven ability to do that. He has already started in one ACC title game, and has two impressive bowl wins on his résumé. He's 5-3 as a starter, has completed more than 60 percent of his passes and was Jimbo Fisher's first hand-picked quarterback at Florida State.

This might say more about the lack of known offensive stars than it does about EJ.

POLL: What does FSU QB E.J. Manuel need to do to earn ACC offensive POY honors? – Chopping Block – Seminoles Blog – Orlando Sentinel

Yeah, it’s a lot to lump on Manuel’s big shoulders, but again, something tells me he may be one of the best out there to handle it. (Something tells FSU coach Jimbo Fisher the same thing, too. In a blog entry I was planning on posting later this afternoon anyway, he talks briefly about what his starting signal-caller brings to the table, how good Manuel has become in his time at FSU and why the junior should be well-equipped to handle any expectations placed upon him.)

I think playing for a 6-2 or better ACC FSU team will get it done.

Inside, find an excellent collection of notes on FSU's opponents, football strategy, and college football in general.

Star-divide

I think you'll really enjoy this series on linebacker play from STS.  

Linebacker Play: Alignment & Gap Assignments - Shakin The Southland

In the last post we talked about reading offensive linemen as the keys in what tells a LB what to do and where to go on a particular play. Each LB is assigned a primary gap to control. Every gap must have someone over it, or assigned to it, for the defensive front to be sound. In some defensive schemes the DL can have single-gap responsibilities while a LB has 2-gap. There is a difference between the assignments of a 2-gap vs 1-gap linebacker, but in some fronts a single linebacker may be a 2-gapper when the other linebacker(s) are 1-gap players.

Again, an excellent read!

Linebacker Play: Reading OL Blocks - Shakin The Southland

What we’ll explain next is how they read the blockers in front of them to decide how to defend the gap they are assigned. We’ll treat MIKE as a single-gap player first and explain it from his perspective, since he is over an uncovered guard and can read his blocks easier than WILL can read his guard.

As we said in the last article, OL give the best reads, 6’3 300lb linemen can rarely trick you about where they’re going. Short 200lb backs that run 4.5 can.

There are dozens of words I’ve come across in what to call a particular type of block or block scheme over the years, but there are only so many directions an OL can go. The staff will drill around 8 different paths the OLman can take:

  • Base
  • Reach
  • Frontside Pull
  • Backside Pull
  • Pass/Draw
  • Down-Angle
  • Veer
  • Scoop

Again, more great stuff.

Big 10 to play 9 conference games in the future?
Arguments for both sides. What are your thoughts?

Optimists, Pessimists, And The Washington Huskies - SBNation.com

A look at the 2011 Washington Huskies football team. They have risen quite a bit in two years but now must attempt to sustain momentum without Jake Locker and a couple of big-time play-making linebackers.

What pessimists see: a team that has risen a bit too quickly in two years and had very little margin for error in terms of reaching a bowl last season. The Huskies were outscored by almost 100 points last year, and they lose both the face of their offense and perhaps their three best defensive play-makers in Aiyewa, Foster and safety Nate Williams. Plus, there are a ton of freshmen, redshirt freshmen and sophomores on the two-deep.

What optimists see: a team whose YPP margin suggests the blowouts were somewhat fluky, a team whose turnover margin was dinged significantly by an unlucky number of fumble recoveries, and a team with downright solid recruiting rankings (those freshmen and sophomores are on the depth chart for a reason -- they're good).

Pre-Snap Read: A College Football Blog-- #103 Indiana

In a nutshell Call this an educated – be kind – hunch, one based on the idea that Indiana is not merely a coaching change away from breaking through the five-win bubble and moving onto bowl play. I don’t see it: I see it someday, as I’m high on Wilson – and I’m not alone in this regard – but I don’t see it in 2011, as I feel it’s more likely that the Hoosiers will at best tread water, at worst take a step back under their first-year coach. Let’s touch on the good news first. Wilson is a very, very good hire, and the staff he’s compiled indicates thoroughness and foresight – he added not just good coaches, but coaches familiar with the Big Ten. The receiver corps has talent even with the departure of two leading targets. The offensive line remains largely intact, as does the defensive line. Now, the bad news: quarterback Ben Chappell’s departure looms large, as do the losses in the secondary. There will be the inevitable transition period accompanying any coaching change, good hire or no. And the Big Ten schedule will still find I.U. an underdog nearly throughout; it’s highly unlikely that the Hoosiers win a game on the road, and each of the four teams that come to Bloomington should be better than they were in 2010. So based on a handful of factors, I think those dreaming of a first-year success should temper those expectations: I imagine it will take at least a year before making those bowl plans, and Indiana might not even match last season’s win total, depending on how it fares during non-conference play.

Still no Louisiana Monroe or Duke. What are your guesses for each? 95th and 80th?

Arizona State a sleeper BCS championship contender; more Mailbag - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

When looking for a team likely to improve by several wins, the single biggest factor generally is finding a squad that performed better last season than its record indicates. Arizona State certainly fits that description. The Sun Devils went 6-6 overall last year and 4-5 in Pac-10 play, but they had only one truly bad loss, a 50-17 defeat at Cal. They lost 20-19 at Wisconsin on a blocked extra point; they lost by a point at USC and held Stanford to a season-low 17; and they played Oregon tough for three quarters before ultimately being done in by a staggering seven turnovers.

How did Mandel miss ASU losing its ALL-Pac10 corner and leading receiver, for the year, both to ACL injuries?

Lake The Posts " Blog Archive " Pardon the BC Interruption

BCI: We’ve been worried about a drop-off, particularly on the defensive line, since BC graduated run-stuffers — and eventual NFL first and second round draft picks — B.J. Raji and Ron Brace. It always seems that BC is a year away from a complete collapse on the defensive line, but the Eagles always seem to find a way to replace guys on the D-line. This year, guys like Dillon Quinn, Conor O’Neal, Kasim Edebali, Max Holloway and Kaleb Ramsey (recovering from back surgery) will have to step up if BC is going to achieve another high-ranking defense.

Where I’m not concerned about a drop-off is in the linebacking corps. While the Eagles do lose 2008 ACC Defensive POY and cancer-survivor Mark Herzlich, the unit should again be solid, anchored by consensus All-American (and tackling machine) Luke Kuechly. Sophomore Kevin Pierre-Louis looks to have another outstanding year at WLB.

The BC secondary should again be fairly strong, despite the losses of BC DeLeon Gause and FS Wes Davis to graduation. Senior corner Donnie Fletcher and junior safeties Jim Noel and Okechukwu Okoroha will help anchor this unit.

 

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New logo is nice. I noticed you used it in some other places (twitter maybe?) before officially changing it here.

by jasonole59 on May 19, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Mandel is terrible that's how

Last year he claimed we lost our best LB when we got rid of Carr (cause he screwed up the Nigels).

In this very same article he blasts a playoff system saying many teams would be forced to be relegated to lower lways essentially while at the same time talking about a potential title game involving Texas and Stony Brook.

He’s a joke.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Lower leagues

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with AMFK

Mandel is a Joke, Bianci is a Tool.

by fsu2wall on May 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bianci is a joke

but he had a fairly interesting take on golf/tiger woods recently, that was very accurate.

A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2

by PalmAireNole on May 20, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

and I usually don’t even notice those things. It improves the site’s look.

by PSLNOLE on May 19, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

MWC folks

i can’t stand those folks that always think of how greate Boise, TCU etc. always are for playing one decent game a year. You’re taking a bashing over there Bud!

First time poster, but awesome site.

by Noles 2012 on May 19, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks!

No doubt some of these non-AQ schools have produced really good teams. But they aren’t playing the same game. They can focus for weeks on one opponent, they don’t face the grind real conference teams face, and thus they suffer fewer injuries.

Imagine if FSU played this schedule (it’s Boise’s, converted to teams you know)

Virginia Tech
Tulane (wyoming)
UCF (Oregon State)
Samford (New Mexico state equivalent, legitimately the worst team in CFB)
Virginia (Toledo)
FAU (San Jose State)
Marshall (Louisiana Tech)
Boston College (Hawaii)
Wake Forest (Idaho)
Duke (Fresno State)
Maryland (Nevada)
Wake Forest (Utah State)
Florida (Utah)

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

very true… in such cases a “bad” season would be 10-2

by Noles 2012 on May 19, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say "bad" against that is more like 9-3

But that’s only because I would expect a normal season to be 10-2 or 11-3 with proportional win share calculations. Should normally expect a about a loss between UF and VT. Should also expect about half a loss (maybe a little more) from BC, Maryland, and the rest of the schedule. Still, that is absolutely ridiculous for a “bad” season.

by MWM Nole on May 19, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I'll take it

The new logo rocks… I liked the state outline in the old one, but this is still much better…

by garnetandgold on May 19, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure i understand the avg bsu notation

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, ok.

Very interesting. I thought about that approach but some of those teams ranked in the 80s versus the 100s was too large a gap for me.

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your approach is fine.

Just another way to illustrate. I like to put numbers on everything.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about the average of Boise’s schedule and the average of FSU’s schedule (substituting “121” for Samford)

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't looked at that.

This was from a while back…the original “schedule smarter” discussions.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

2010 actual average opponent rank by F/+

BSU – 74.9
FSU – 45.5*
FSU – 39.2**

including Samford
*
w/o Samford

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first * is including Samford, the ** is w/o. Not sure what happened there.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really think the gap between 80 and 100 is that big?

Separation between Wake and Duke? Serious question.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s pretty big on the margins

80-100 is like 20-40.

40-60 or 60-80 is much smaller.

Obviously 1-20 and 100-120 is largest

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes sense.

Wake-Duke seems pretty close. Only one example, though.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is one of my constant irritations with the advanced metrics at FO

We know we improved from 90ish to around 40ish on defense last year, but what does that mean in actual improvement.

Same with our top 10 offense last year. Not too many spots removed from Auburn at #1, who was cleary much much better than us offensively in 2010.

by BenDNole on May 19, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

So put it into standard devation?

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

deviation

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really sure what the solution is

Or if it really needs a solution.

Just wishing the FO guys used data that was more applicable or easily understandable for the average fan.

by BenDNole on May 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue

is that FSU’s offense wasn’t as good except when you evaluate for SOS. I agree on paper and on TV FSU’s offense looked semi mediocre. But consider the defense’s they faced

From FEI

  1. Oklahoma
  2. Clemson
  3. Miami
  4. NC State
  5. BC
  6. UMD
  7. UNC
  8. VT
  9. South Carolina
  10. UF

So now consider that FSU did what they did considering that 71% if the time they were playing a defense ranked in the top 30 of all of college football.

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like FSU's simplistic offense.

Any more complex and the 31-50th ranked defenses might start giving them problems too.

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

This would be an excellent story for TN

I’d be interested to see if any other team in modern CFB history has faced defensive opposition like this.

Extrapolating that out, imagine if a team played 10 games against top 30 overall teams.

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

LSU faced tougher, by a hair

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

OSOS

of 0.017 for both of them via FEI

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

For comparision LSU faced

1 WVU
6 Auburn
10 Miss St
14 Tamu
16 Bama
19 Arkansas
24 UNC
30 UF

So FSU faced 10 in the top 30, LSU faced 8 in the top 30. Wake Forest, UVA and samford (all 85+) destory FSU’s SOS whereas LSU has McNeese as the only school worse then 62 (Vandy was 62). So I’d say thats its arguable on a complete schedule LSU’s was slightly tougher because of only 1 really poor defense the faced (80+) whereas FSU got 3. However I’d agrue that facing 10 teams in the top 30 is more difficult then facing 8, so I’d argue that FSU faced a more difficult schedule because of the top loading, and with both OSOS of 0.017, its essentially a toss up subject to your own conclusions.

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did you come up with that so quickly?

Does FO have a sortable spread/data sheet for that stuff? Or did you just eyeball schedukes then run the numbers?

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 2:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just FO'ed it

pulled up the schedule for LSU and eyeballed it.

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish hey had the sortable spreadsheet

Wonder if that is included with the premium membership?

by BenDNole on May 19, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont know....

But that makes for a wonderful story….someone could FEI the last two seasons worth of next years competition and show how easy/difficult it is versus say Clemson and NCSU to show our competition this year for the ACC

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno

I imagine you could email Brian Fremeau about it though. He seems like a nice enough fella, and pretty accessible.

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also consider...

1.) A QB who battled freak arm injuries all year.
2.) The amount of receiving yards that departed after 2010
3.) An OL w/ a majority of the starters just getting acclimated to a new S&C program (also considering sub-optimal previous S&C “program”
4.) No 1,000 yd rusher
5.) No prolific TE

It’s not like FSU had a Cam Newton, AJ Green, or Mark Ingram to pickup the slack when the offense was sputtering.

Anyone who gripes about the 2010 offense, when taking competition into consideration, should be shot.

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to look at the actual efficiency ratings to see the separation.

They do use variance in most of the factors that go into the final % rating.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

So, the difference between 80 and 40

isn’t the same every year.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that's exactly what I'm talking about

I don’t necessarily have an issue with how they do their metrics or how they rank them. I’m just saying that it isn’t very football fan user friendly to say that Auburn’s offensive FEI was 0.805 while FSU’s was only 0.434. That doesn’t mean anything to the average football fan, and it takes a decent amount of research to really understand what that means.

by BenDNole on May 19, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. One of the main reasons I'm doing the play by play

to show some of the key components that go into it, in an understandable presentation.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I've been reading this site for 2 years and stil have no idea what it means

I just trust the analysis honestly I don’t have enough time or energy to put into figuring out all the numbers. (I was also never any good at all this math stuff)

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by willdabeast on May 19, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you

Numbers give me a headache!

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you sure its not the Natty?

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by nole07 on May 19, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It always gave me a headache.

But, I think it may have been from my crude method of shotgunning.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Natty Light is more like fishing water

Natty Ice is the headache one…

These days I stick to Guinness and Sam Adams Imperial Stout though.

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love me some Natty (and it still has its place), but I as well have moved on. If you like porters and stouts, try Left Hand’s Fade to Black vol. 2 if you can get your hands on some. One of my favorite beers at the moment – too bad it’s seasonal.

by MWM Nole on May 19, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing beats a Newcastle

For me, that is

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by NeuroNole on May 19, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the duece man

First, our AD becomes a CornNole, now my Doctor is a Monarch?

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wife's always telling me to grow up

“Look honey, I dropped the childish SBNation user name”.

#Sacrifice

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, I confess.

I really did it for Bud. Apparently he’s taking this site seriously now. Sponsors, tee shirts, etc. Can’t have guys named after testicles writing for him.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

As for me...

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by Dogrel on May 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

So I’m down at the bottom reading…and I see dogrel posted, and I immediately think…what kind pic did he just post…it better not be a clown…

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

I like the new Shakin the Southland logo too.

by jasonole59 on May 19, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forget, ODU?

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by tricknole on May 19, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 20, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh sh!t.....guess I'll be getting banned any day then.
I really did it for Bud. Apparently he’s taking this site seriously now.

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by DRusso97 on May 20, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

forget it, that was their bowl!

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm more confused now

Are you saying that for Boise, playing Utah was there bowl game? If so, would that make more since to compare to USCe?

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because you don’t schedule a bowl, it is not appropriate to compare, imo

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right

but considering who would be a valid rival for BSU to compare to….who would that be? The closest comparision from a competition standpoint who I supposed have been VT althought not rivals at all. Honestly if FSU were to have a similar schedule to Boise…both UF and UM have to come off because nothing BSU schedules is comparable to the rivalries, not the talent level of either of those teams. Yes coaching ineptitude prevented them from reaching maximum capacity, but line up the rosters of UM/UF and then anyone BSU played.

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, and I think that is the point

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i say we all sign up and defend bud over there hahaha

by newdynastynole on May 19, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You have to wait a day before posting after signing

i was about to destroy some hoes in there

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on May 19, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

is a good way to have a one-sided debate

by Noles 2012 on May 19, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read the message board over there

I can honestly say that Bud wont be invited to any BSU tailgate parties anytime soon (LOL). Forgive them Bud, they know not what they say.

by I275Nole on May 19, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get how irrational they are.

Is it so hard to concede that alot of schools could do what Boise does with that schedule?

by jasonole59 on May 19, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best part is how they rip on FSU like they are a "somebody".

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by tricknole on May 19, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are pretty pathetic fans

They think that a QB going 32-2 when 20 of those games were against teams that would be the cupcakes we schedule in the beginning of the year makes them a totally legit team. I so wish they played in a real conferance

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by caine115 on May 19, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You clearly mean teams that we regularly schedule to open the season.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only are you out of the closet, you've torn down the walls and made it part of your bedroom.
You clearly mean teams that we regularly schedule to open the season.

Now you’re part of “we”….???

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

“We” as in “Gators”

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was talking about FSU

had you put the italics on “we”….okay, but you emphasized “regularly”. Sorry dude, Freudian slip or not, you’re a Nole.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah.

I was stressing the regularly part due to the Gators’ penchant for scheduling scrubs at the beginning of the season that are MWC teams, directional teams, Alaska Sate quality…etc.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's ok FlaGators

You can be part of our “wolfpack”. Better to get on the bandwagon now.

by NoleySmokes on May 20, 2011 7:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But I’ve never been a bandwagon type of guy…

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by FlaGators on May 20, 2011 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

you get the point

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by caine115 on May 19, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big fan of the new logo.

Hardcore.

Roll Bass and War Ryno for me

by Mateo9399 on May 19, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Seminoles v. Broncos in the Orange Bowl

Would be GREAT!!! I guess if TCU beats Boise then it could be Noles v. Horned Frogs too right? Also, aren’t we forgetting about Notre Dame? If ND gets their 11 wins, they have to go to a BCS bowl. Could the bowl committee pick the Seminoles v. the Fighting Irish in Miami?

by CCDFSU07 on May 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Orange Bowl has last pick, so it will be

BAD BE champion (not WVU, Pitt), or a MWC team.

Notre Dame would be snatched up with the #1 pick.

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

BAD BE champion (not WVU, Pitt), or a MWC team.

Is this because you think a better bowl would take either of these 2?

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes, wvu or pitt before MWC

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by Bud Elliott on May 19, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

So what you are sayong is

Win the ACC, win tje Orange Bowl. I, like it.

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by AMFKNole on May 19, 2011 2:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

no...

Beat OK, win the ACC, win the National Title.

by stevib on May 19, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If our season culminated in taking a dump on Boise State I'd call it a successful season.

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by tricknole on May 20, 2011 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love the new logo!

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Logo is awesome, but

it’s missing the Motto: “The Board for the Thinking Fan”.

or something.

If you torture a statistic enough you can make it confess to anything.

by PeachTreeNole on May 19, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Not to take away from EJ...

but this was my gut/1st reaction when reading about him being ACCPOPOY

This might say more about the lack of known offensive stars than it does about EJ.

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I can't see him having a POY type year.

I don’t see him putting up huge passing numbers. I’m sure he’ll still make a fair bit of mistakes. And I don’t see him running for 100 yards/game to compensate offensively. But as long as he takes us to 10-2 or better I don’t care.

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by tricknole on May 20, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

In return we can recommend a few of FlaGators comments every now and then over here.

Sounds like such a fair deal, I gave you one on credit FG.

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's really build his credit.

TN green.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the credit.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha. I’m not so sure about that.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, how bout 31 minutes per day, 7 days per week?

Until we have more current data to go on.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we might be able work something out via the football game this year. Loser has to wear the other teams shirt, take a picture and post it.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be down....

of course you’d have to send me a gator shirt if we lose since I own nothing blue and orange.. :)

by fsugrizz on May 19, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here with something Garnet and Gold. The closest thing I own to that are some Redskins gear. But that is clearly burgundy and gold and I don’t think that would count.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

im so sad

i share an nfl favorite team with a gator =/
why dont u just convert and rep all “dark red and gold with native american mascots” like i did :)

by newdynastynole on May 19, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do like the Indians in the MLB.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who doesn't?

Rick Vaughn, Pedro Cerrano, Jake Taylor, Roger Dorn, Willie Mays Hayes…

What a lineup!

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Classic!

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mrs. Dorn, yum.

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by tricknole on May 20, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty hot owner, too.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 20, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, didn't remember her name, though.

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by tricknole on May 20, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rachel Phelps

I looked it up.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 20, 2011 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting to hear.

I’ve always wondered what non-Noles thought of it. And I hope others will help turn this green.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

When I drove to Nashville for the Kentucky game

a bunch of the UK fans I sat next to said they were going to have it stuck in their heads for weeks. They were extremely impressed by the awesomeness.

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by Miaminole on May 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the new tag line.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is interesting…

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Slick choice of words there.

I notice you didn’t say it “was” or “is” intimidating.

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

;)

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had a man crush on Grady Sizemore for a little while

I’m man enough to admit that.

Seriously though…Indians building a strong program.

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grady is a fantastic player (when he is healthy), even though he strikes out a little more than I would like. But yeah, it looks as though they have the ship going in the right direction now.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, very impessed

w/ Masterson & Tomlin so far. If Carmona could figure himself out, or they land a quality SP before the TD, I think more experts would see them as a viable WS contender in 2011.

IMO they’re built much like my team (The Rays)…except I think that Masterson/Tomlin/Carmona aren’t as good as Price/Shields/Hellickson

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by CornNole on May 19, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Masterson needs to figure out how to get lefties out. Tomlin, scares me because I wonder if he will be able to last an entire season pitching like this. Carmona, yep like you said.

But yeah, Carmona and company aren’t as good as Price and co.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i liked pronk

when he was hitting

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by Miaminole on May 19, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

The good thing is, he appears to be almost back.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are their irreparable side-affects to something like that?

IE: catching on fire, black death, whithering away, Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day…

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might be fun to have an SBNation site to site competition?

Loser flies the rival logo big and bold all day the following Sunday?

That way nobody has to spend any money on crap they will burn in a trashcan immediately afterwards.

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’ll work.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

profile pics?

Or try to get Bud and Andy in on it?

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by Nattylite on May 19, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if they don’t go for it (I wouldn’t see why not)….we’ll have to handle things ourselves.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deal.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 19, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good.

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by FlaGators on May 19, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seth

Why don’t you turn the Grey Transparent so it looks better on the T-Shirts?

by MasterWolf on May 19, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

No offense to who made it, but...

Something about the new logo bothers me. It feels off balance for some reason. I’m not a graphic artist but I think it could be better. I did a quick edit. The only thing I couldn’t change was the word “tomahawk” I would like to see what it looked like curving downward. This way the logo is more “rounded” and seems complete. Took out the grey background as well so the logo stands out more. Just my opinion. Again I’m no graphic artist and am not very good at photoshop.

I also agree with some of the comments from the other thread about the t-shirts. The grey background should be removed. This way it doesn’t look like a logo someone “ironed on” a shirt. It will look more polished and will be easier to place on different colored and styled shirts.

by jimmygnole on May 19, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

On more suggestion on the t-shirts

It might be nice to have one with just the “TN” logo with the tomahawks on the front pocket area. Then on the back have the full logo with the words"Tomahawk Nation", like above

by jimmygnole on May 19, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

coming from a pretty serious graphic artist, me:

theres always going to be minor things that some people don’t care for or would rather change; and as a designer you have to be ready to defend your work; as one designer once told me, "You have to be confident. If someone tells you they don’t like your work, you say, ‘f**k you, in twenty years you’ll be dead and I’ll be designing everything’ ". Overall, I think its a great design. Well balanced in tone and form, great layering and enough detail to interest, but not overwhelm. I really like it.

I would like to lose the background on the shirt tho. The background is only presentation, not really inherent to the design.

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by harper.rb on May 19, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a great variation on the logo.

When I first saw the logo, I really liked the image, but I wondered what it would look like with some more color in the background. Based on Jimmy’s transparent background image, I simply pasted some garnet in.

Does anyone with more Photoshop skills want to try any other variations?

by TCRNole on May 20, 2011 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOVEEE IT

Not that there was too much wrong with the last logo, but I remember putting up a fanpost/poll that asked if people wanted a new logo…the consensus was yes…and this couldnt have come through any better. NIICEEE new logo!

by LetsGoNoles on May 19, 2011 10:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the design...

but don’t like the “garnet” at all. It looks like the same ugly shade of maroon that Nike uses. Almost brownish. Again, the logo design is sweet…a big improvement. Great work. I’d just brighten up the garnet a bit.

by PoseidoNole on May 20, 2011 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

not for nothing

but as poorly as computer monitors are calibrated, I bet between the readers here we’re all seeing 100 different versions of garnet

by StM on May 20, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

The "T" does look a little darker/purpler(purplier?) than our garnet.

The tips of the tomahawks and the word “Tomahawk” look more like our garnet.

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by tricknole on May 20, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I looked at it on more than one computer...

trick makes a great point…the “Tomahawk” colors look just about perfect. But the “T” looks dark maroon. Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me…

PS FSU often just goes too dark and drab with our colors. While our football unis are absolutely stellar…our color scheme is usually hideous in other sports and Nike apparel (which don’t look remotely like our awesome football colors). Dark maroon/violet is simply ugly. Garnet should be more toward crimson than purple.

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