Florida State Lands 17 Selections On Phil Steele Preseason All-ACC Team
by Bud Elliott on May 27, 2011 11:38 AM EDT
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PrintHere is Phil Steele's preseason All-ACC Team as well as his All-American Team as it will appear in the Magazine, hitting newsstands June 7th. Phil Steele’s College Football Preview is the nation’s most informative national preseason football magazine and has always provided a preseason All-American team as well as preseason All-Conference teams. For more information or to obtain a copy of each of the All-Conference teams, please visit PhilSteele.com
Florida State leads the way with seven members of the 28-member 1st-team, and 17 of the 112 total selections (though Greg Reid was honored thrice, for cornerback, punt returner, and kick returner).
Quarterback E.J. Manuel (redshirt junior), offensive tackle Andrew Datko (senior), defensive end Brandon Jenkins (junior), linebacker Nigel Bradham, corner Xavier Rhodes (redshirt sophomore), kicker Dustin Hopkins (junior) and punter Shawn Powell (senior) were the 1st-team honorees from the 'Noles.
Receiver Willie Haulstead (junior), tackle Zebrie Sanders (senior), defensive tackle Jacobbi McDaniel (junior) and corner Greg Reid (junior) were honored on the 2nd team.
Running back Chris Thompson (junior) and return man Greg Reid (honored for both kick and punt return) were honored on the third team.
And receiver Bert Reed (senior), defensive end Cornellius "Tank" Carradine (junior) and linebacker Christian Jones (sophomore) received 4th-team honors for the 'Noles.
Total (1st team) School
17 (7) Florida State Seminoles
13 (5) Virginia Tech Hokies
11 (3) North Carolina Tar Heels
11 (1) Clemson Tigers
10 (5) Miami Hurricanes
09 (0) Virginia Cavaliers
08 (1) N.C. State Wolfpack
08 (2) Boston College Eagles
06 (1) Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets
08 (2) Maryland Terrapins
06 (1) Duke Blue Devils
05 (0) Wake Forest Demon Deacons
FSU had 11 selections last season, and three 1st-teamers, meaning 2011 represents a 50% increase in overall selections and a 100% increase in 1st-team selections.
The Atlantic Division has 57 overall selections and 13 1st-teamers. The Coastal Division has 71 overall selections, but only two more on the 1st-team.
Snubs
There will always be snubs. Lonnie Pryor is an excellent fullback for the Noles and because Phil doesn't use fullbacks, he was left off the team. Pryor is one of the top fullbacks in the country. And FSU's third corner, Mike Harris, probably deserves to be on there, but Steele doesn't want to make the All-ACC team look like the All-WAC team from previous years, in which the team was all Boise State players. Three corners from one team would be a bit much.
Now, some of these selections on the third and fourth teams might seem a bit off. Phil may have a guy on the 4th-team who isn't even a starter. But his is the only publication of which I am aware that posts a four-deep team for each conference. From experience, I can tell you that is almost impossible to do. Give progressively more weight to the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st teams and this is an excellent tool.
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I think
It has more to do with his hype than a lack of good ACC QBs. EJ and Obrien are both incredibly talented and would start at almost any other D1 school, and LT has been receiving a ton of praise during the off-season.
btw, in today's mailbag Dinich said
“there’s a good chance LT will be better than EJ”. Just thought I’d pass that on.
Championship!
Wouldn't count on it..
Guy will be solid, but I doubt he’s better than EJ, he’s taken a similar path of waiting and being groomed though.
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by Dogrel on May 28, 2011 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He’s very talented.
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by Bud Elliott on May 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
But PS is one of the analysts who places more weight on
history (e.g., 10 year trends, etc.) and experience. Just surprising, but there are a lot of new starters, e.g., UNC, NCST, Virginia, Boyd or battles, e.g,. Miami
Championship!
He may hold on to it. Did win Defensive MVP of spring.
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by Bud Elliott on May 27, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No Doubt about Werner
I can’t see this guy losing his job, if anything I see them splitting snaps 50-50 or 55-45. How does a Defensive MVP of spring not start? I realize Tank is a supposed beast, but the Germinator is pretty damn good too and we’ve seen him play against top notch talent.
Also, I just got a feeling the Telvin Smith is gonna lock down the Mike/MLB and be a sleeping stud on the D.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
I remember Werner was really worried near exams
when he found out that coaches were going hard after Carradine. He thought he was going to lose his grasp on rising to the SDE position. Bravo for him on pushing himself harder and harder.
What are you glorifying with your life?
How about a 3 DE package on 3rd downs
of Jenkins, Carradine, and Werner? Gotta get Carradine on the field, if the hype surrounding him is true.
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I like it. I dont hink you want guys playing as many snaps as weve gotten used tono mattter how talented
we needthem both to be good. We have some pretty good 3-tech ends that might be even better from the inside too, even on rush downs.
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jenkins, carradine, and werner
would be a sick 3rd down package.
and, yes, the hype around carradine is legit. watched him play juco ball. guy single-handed would take over games and change their complexion. came out of the same system as markus wright… only i couldnt believe just how dominant tank was.
3-techs are DT's. DE's are 5/7/9-techniques.
We have some pretty good 3-tech ends that might be even better from the inside too, even on rush downs.
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NP....but I don't see any DE's being used in interior pass rush roles anytime soon, if at all.
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In context that was the point I was making...no need with such quick big bodies at the 3-tech DT spot
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Wasn't this the premise of that God-awful Predator package that Andrews used in his last season?
Although the DE talent is much better now than it was then…
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that was more for sh*ts and giggles because nothing else worked
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by SteadfastNole on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Prowler
He got them from Bellichek or Ryan. I thought it was a nice look. Used situationally, it has its merits.
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It has merits when you have the talent to fit that scheme
which Mick didn’t. Ugh what an awful season that was.
Have nothing against that package itself, just the way FSU ad-libbed it two years ago.
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we only used it on 3rd down in '09
Wouldn’t mind seeing it on 3rd and long.
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Carradine has a ton of speed and length. great start off the ball
but is still lacking from DI weight training. I’m interested to see how he improves over the summer, weight-wise
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Agree about Werner
I am super excited about him this season. I think that he can very well have a breakout season. Not knocking Tank either, he is very talented, but I think we will see big things from Werner before he is gone. Dline looks to be a big strength this season.
by Noleforever9399 on May 27, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
.5 chance IMO. Don't think Tank is any more physically impressive than Bjorn--
definitely not stronger or more explosive but perhaps more agile (e.g., quicker turn of direction). Plus Bjorn has a year of BCS experience under his belt.
In the end, however, who starts may not be important if they basically split the # of snaps.
Championship!
Yes. also could easily argue we have 2-3 DTs as talented or more than mcdaniel. Think of LJ at saftey...
He shouldnt be on there but might turn out to be as good as any on the list. This d is loaded!
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agreed on Jacobbi
if you’re talking about him at NG. He cannot handle a double-team. His body is meant for the 3-tech @ 275 lbs. max.
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I agree with this.
I really dislike seeing him at NG. I remember all the talk about how he dominated camps and games with his “Warren Sapp-like” quickness. Thought he was our next great DT and 3-tech of the future. Now, it seems like his potential has been limited and somewhat wasted.
I agere about that
I really think him being thrown in there as a true freshman, when he wasnt physically ready for a whole college season definitely hurt his growth. But I’m not ready to give up on him yet, I still think that he can turn it around and end up being a good player.
by Noleforever9399 on May 27, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed! Had to put ona lot of weight immediately
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His body doesn't allow him to play the 3 with any regularity. He lacks the length to consistently threaten the outside shoulder of the Guard.
His skillset says 3, but his stubby limbs say 1.
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Greg as 3rd team PR???
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
He wasn’t that great last year.
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by Bud Elliott on May 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I know that, but since he did lead the country in PR yards as a freshman you would think that would factor in the decision. Logan had one good year that wasn’t as good as Reid’s and was not good the year before and Hosely is at 11.7 for his career while Greg is around 14.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
As much as I like GR, he does a terrible job tackling which is kind of a big deal at corner. There were many times where he messed up a bubble pass that should have gone for 3 yards and it ended up going for 10+ yards. I wouldn’t want to rely on GR until he really proves himself to play smart football.
Weren't they talking about him at Punt Returner?
However, I would say GR should be at least 2nd team PR if not 1st based on his overall body of work at the position, 3rd team KR, and 3rd or 4th CB – boom or bust at that position so far, but the booms are really good
Surprised that Greg made list as KR
Considering how poorly FSU did last year … and the number of times Greg fumbled on KR (fortunately, I believe we recovered almost every time).
I can't help but smile
when I see so many FSU names on the 1st team Defense list. Feels like old times…
Agreed. He is much better than Jacobbi, or at least has been.
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by Bud Elliott on May 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike Harris is the only one who I thought got overlooked
Glad to see Shawn Powell get the credit he deserves as well.
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
like the progress this team is making. How many we had last year like 5 or 6. I think he should’ve switch ray ray and telemaque
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by Marcus Keepzit Onehundred on May 27, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not so sure the recruiting has gotten any better under this Jimbo fella.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on May 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
are you crazy!?
Recruiting has been off the charts since Jimbo’s gotten here.
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by jasonole59 on May 27, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I absolutely love Phil Steeles publications.
An Excellent tool for understanding the football landscape each year.
by jenolesone on May 27, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I love how Mike Harris is getting no love. He's going to keep his nickame of "Silent Assasin"
No one knows about him, but when they finally find out its too late. YOU’RE DEAD.
Yeah, that's a whiff in my book
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by ricobert1 on May 27, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 27, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
An agreement by the one and only Bud Elliot on my first post? I’m not worthy!
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Welcome aboard!
And you got to drive the ship on your first day!
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Great, he ran it aground.
by misspelling our favorite new OL’s name.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 27, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn't even spell Bud's name right.
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Aha! Not getting the silent treatment anymore?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 27, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you seriously hung up on this?
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Thought you were.
Either way, I’m just being annoying….pretty good at that.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 27, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding.
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Yeah if they're going to put Carradine up, why not Fark
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It was partially an ode to rico's comment about "whiffs"
:)
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
No offense to Phil Steele, because I really enjoy his work, but
maybe it’d be prudent to name the players that didn’t make any All-ACC teams.
4 teams is overkill. Guys that haven’t even played a down of BCS ball yet being named. Silly.
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I can only agree with guys like Tank being named even though they havent played just because he is almost a guarunteed stud since he’s Juco transfer.
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True.
In fact, I think Fahrenkrug is probably a safer bet, judging on the praise surrounding him thus far. I just think when you’ve named half the players in the ACC, the “honor” loses a bit of steam.
I guess you could count it as a “watch list” of some sort.
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He had Cam Newton high last year when nobody else did.
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cause he knows his stuff
and he knows which guys coming out of juco ball are going to be solid locks.
And he had John Brantley on his 3rd team.
I dunno, it seems like a cop-out to have 4 teams. If he gets lucky, then he can say “I knew it. I had him on a preseason all conference team”, but if he’s off, nobody’s gonna hassle him for it. Personally, I think Trent Richardson is a better back than Derrick Locke, Mario Fannin, and Jeff Demps, but Steele had him behind all 3
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EJ
Any chance EJ gets some Heisman votes this year? I think he could sneak up on some folks a la Newton.
"When you’ve got that FSU on your shirt, it’s strong." - Coach Eddie Gran
As FSU's record goes, so goes any heisman hope that EJ has
Beating Oklahoma would likely get him into the dark horse conversation
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Ponder’s play was not that great last year and he missed games due to injury. Even if we had lost only 1 game, he would not have got near SEC darling and Undefeated Cam’ron Newton.
by DoubleNickel on May 27, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He can lose to OU and still be in the conversation
Considering we are expected to beat them as long as he doesn’t throw 3 or 4 picks and only 1 TD with a 40% completion for the game as long as he plays great the rest of the year and we win he will get talk.
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* are NOT expected to beat them
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He will not make the short list if FSU loses to OU
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
We gave up how many TD to them last year? If he throws a couple of TD passes and no ints or 3 TD and 1 int and is somewhere over 50% passing for 300 or so yards in a loss but they score in droves and beat us I don’t see how that eliminates him
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Agree to disagree then
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
More of a question
But you basically think EJ needs to go undefeated to be in the discussion?
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IMO EJ does need a win against OU b/c
(1) EJ’s not someone who’s (high) on any pre-season Heisman watch list… that I know of; and
(2) B/c of (1) EJ needs a big win… and OU is just that.
Championship!
Your reply was great, I should have read it before posting mine haha
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
Much more likely with a win vs. OU and a loss in ACC play than the other way ’round. Which I guess is as it should be
No but he needs a signature win to prove to the media that FSU is "back" in order to be on the short list
If FSU loses to OU, ESPN and DinichaKnowShesAnIdiot will revert to the “FSU is a national pretender this year” garbage. If FSU wins, he’ll be heavily in the discussion throughout the year IMO.
Not that it matters much to me- if everything goes well this season and the team is healthy, EJ should be on that short list in 2012.
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He has to go undefeated or be amazing!
This is not the SEC where a qb can be 9-4 and win a heisman. Charlie Ward was out first and he was out of this world good and Weinke went 12-0 so unless ESPN starts pumping up the ACC he has little or no shot with a loss this season.
I get your point
But even using the name Dinich in a perfect way for her is still the worst example of someone in the media that needs proving to. lol
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We know that
But the casual college football fan outside the ACC sure doesn’t
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Even the casual fan
Only needs to read one article from her and prob knows as well
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again, agree to disagree
uninformed idiots will believe other uninformed idiots who write articles.
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with you
I was more being sarcastic at just how bad she is that even an uninformed fan might look at her articles and go huh?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 27, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought you sounded a lot like DrKN
Should’ve read your sig
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by NoleThruandThru on May 27, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's thrown a few people.
I’m still DKN, the new name’s for site image purposes.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ 1st team Pre-Season All-ACC?
Nice bit of press, but think it should’ve gone to O’Brien
by Jonathan Loesche on May 27, 2011 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed, though I doubt he is even on teams 1-3 after this year.
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You don’t think EJ will get on teams 1-3 or O’brien?
I also find it a bit odd to put EJ on the first team but I’m not going to complain. Lets hope Jimbo can get our boys to play up to their hype.
No RW, no Yates, no T. Taylor, no CP
not many excellent returning QBs. I’d expect EJ to be one of the top 3 in the league this year. We might not throw enough or use his legs enough to draw him the accolades….and that’s a good thing.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 27, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not see O’Brien there at the end of the year.
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You can't possibly believe that
1st team pre-season is about who we think will have the best year coming up, am I right? Can you really say that you see O’brien having a better year than EJ?
I just don’t see it.
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by SteadfastNole on May 27, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If I were a betting man
I would be willing to wager a large amount of money to say that EJ outplays O’Brien in 2011. Probably won’t be close.
It's not just a talent wise thing of EJ or O'brien
It’s the stability of players and coaches, too. O’brien lost half his passing yards with T. Smith leaving, and they’re breaking in a new head coach and OC
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by SteadfastNole on May 27, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I was agreeing with you for all those exact reasons
By ‘outplays’, I really meant production.
And O’Brien actually is losing ~ 65% of his total passing yards.
My, how quickly the outlook can change.
Rodney Hudson is the only Seminole offensive player to land on 1st team all-ACC since 2004 and we haven’t had more than one defensive player in the same year since 2004. Yes, this is pre-season….but still.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 27, 2011 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
What would you change? Thomas and?
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Thompson and Hall should be 2nd team bare minimum
The guy from Maryland got 2nd team DT? come on.
Antoine McClain doesnt even deserve a damn sniff. Landon Walker only gets 3rd team because of his pass blocking. The whole offensive list makes me facepalm at the skill talent in this league.
Doc he (Maryland DT) was 2nd-team last season.
I’ll take Hall over the Duke guy and Ray-Ray and possible Whitley.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Ray-Ray is pretty good
Does Dawkins suck, or am I missing something? Not an expert or anything, but I think he looks OK.
Everett Dawkins? He’s quite good, but it is tough to pick just one for FSU.
I like Telemaque > Ray-Ray. Ray-Ray super athletic, but lots of mental mistakes, bad angles, more an impressive body than a player, no homo.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Yes Everette
The way I see him is a possible draft pick. I can see your affinity for Telemaque… I hope you and Ray-Ray have a good time in whichever seedy motel you choose tonight ;)
Dawkins was the best interior DL on the team last year.
And it wasn’t even close, IMO. McDaniel is still living off the 5* billing as far as I’m concerned. That’s probably why he made the list and no ED.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 28, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought so as well
I like McDaniel. He still looks a little like a “lump” out there. I hope he gets better and makes it (like all FSU players).
I think McDaniel was robbed by ot being able to redshirt or come along slowly. He put on a ton of bad weight just to get ready to play, and he’s been injured.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I think he was a tad overrated out of HS.
He could be a very good college player…not a top 10 type recruit. Unfortunately, he walked into the worst possible situation…and got hit right in the face with the horribly neglectful recruiting of the previous staff. If he’d had a redshirt, followed by a year of spot duty, and a decent S and C from day one his career would’ve gotten off to a much better start. One of the last victims of…well, you know what.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 28, 2011 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Just hope he can do something
Rooting for all of the kids that committed to the deadbeats to do well.
RBs and WRs
I was about to be a bit sad about our position there but as Bud pointed out Steele doesnt count Pryor as he doesnt emphasize FB’s. Also, it would be unfair to put EJ as first team on RBs as well!!!!
RB I am not worried about. . . . I am a bit concerned about overall depth at WR as our players ranked in this format show we are not as proven/talented/deep as we need to be. Hopefully they step up this year as with our line reforming we will need some quick screens, routes to get teams out of the box.
Sorry if I'm going a little off topic but I just wanted to say,
I heard that Phill Steele has put out his season predictions with us at 10 (which I’m fine with), Notre Dame at 4, VT at 6 and Georgia at 9. A lot of people on other forums are freaking out and calling Steele an idiot. What do you think?
I actually ran a few of the numbers from last year and he was way off,
7 of his top 20 (12 of his top 25) weren’t even ranked including Texas (11), Florida (7), Miami (9), and USC (8). I know in the world of predictions, things are never perfect, but this is absolutley awful. He also had Auburn at 15.
I should probably looked back a few years but can he really be the “best” predictor as I have heard many say?
I dont pay much attention to pre season polls but one thing
That catches my eye on that stat is he had Miami as 9 preseason last year and us at 10 this year. So he had Miami as a better team going into last year the Noles going into this year. If he thought UM was 9 last year with nothing to back it I would expect us higher then 10. Dont care where we are ranked but just in his case he must think Miami was better going into last year then us this year ad thats a pretty big stretch to me
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It is an end-year poll projection
Where will they finish
I think those people are unlikely to understand that Phil is ranking end-of-season poll.
I personally agree with what he has, because he factors in schedule.
He has FSU as the 6th-best team, but finishing 10th due to schedule.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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What is it awful compared against?
Yeah, he’s by far the best.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I think those people are unlikely to understand that Phil is ranking end-of-season poll.
I personally agree with what he has, because he factors in schedule.
He has FSU as the 6th-best team, but finishing 10th due to schedule.
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Yeah I guess your right, I couldn’t say I know of any standards to rank his predictions so I shouldn’t be too critical.
Some of those make sense, like ND beacuse of how weak their schedule. I don’t like his VT pick but it is fair, especially considering that VT’s only real big game will be the ACCCG. I just have a hard time agreeing with him when he puts Georgia at 9 because they have to play Boise, Auburn, Florida, USCe, and the SEC west champ (if they are the best SEC east team as he predicts). That is not an easy schedule and I don’t see georgia winning 3 out of 5 of those games.
Auburn is the 5th-best west team. UGA’s schedule is an absolute gift.
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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UGA will be favored in 4 of those 5
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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