Florida State Sports News & Notes 05.03.11
by Bud Elliott on May 3, 2011 8:00 AM EDT
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Miami, after booting three players, had extra room and has added two late additions to its defensive line. They will be eligible to play immediately. The 'Canes first added Darius Smith. The 6'3" 345 -pound JUCO nose guard was apparently 375 pounds a few months ago. Smith had no major offers. They also added Corey King, of West Boca High. King is 6'2" 270 and looks to be a 3-technique DT or an end in a 3-4 front. King had no major offers, but he also was not expected to qualify until very recently.
I've noted that Miami's refusal to consistently bend its admission standards hurts its program. But this could be a step in the right direction. I can't remember the last time Miami brought in a JUCO DT. That said, I have no idea if his grades were a concern. He could be the rare JUCO DT with excellent grades and perhaps his weight was really the only thing holding him back. It would be much more impressive if the 'Canes were letting in a big monster with spotty grades.
I've noted before that I expect Miami to switch to primarily running a 3-4 in 2012. These guys fit that idea.
These aren't the type of guys that win championships, but Miami is desperate to avoid fielding its worst team since the early 70s in 2012. This could help them do that.
Russell Wilson Leaving NC State
Russell Wilson Granted Release By NC State - Backing The Pack
"This puts the speculation and uncertainty to rest, at least--it's Mike Glennon's show for sure now. Please don't let this end up being a horrible mistake...please don't let this end up being a horrible mistake... But TOB has been in a tough position with all of this, and I've been wondering how the team might react if Wilson were to return after skipping another off-season of work. Not to mention how awkward that would be with Glennon getting the nod over him.
Remember, though, Glennon is very talented and he could have elected to leave and play immediately elsewhere if not given adequate assurances that he'd start this year. It's better to have Glennon for two years than Wilson for one."
T.O.B. Makes The Right Decision For 2011 And 2012 | Riddick & Reynolds
"For if Wilson captains 2011 to another bowl bid but 2012 is squandered breaking in a new quarterback, was it worth bringing Wilson back for one more year, potentially losing Glennon to transfer in the process? I don't think it is, and I think O'Brien made the best decision for the program down the road. Sacrificing long-term stability for short-term gains is a sure fire way to land your program in a perpetual cycle of starting from scratch and to possibly find yourself out of a job sooner than you're ready."
Thoughts On Russell Wilson’s Split With N.C. State Jim Young
"All of which brings us back to the debate that N.C. State fans have been having ever since the 2010 season ended: Wilson for one season or Glennon for two? Again, you know what you’re getting in Russell Wilson in 2011. There’s no reason to think his production would vary much from the high levels he’s already established. Might he be rusty after missing spring practice and summer workouts? Sure. Just like he was rusty last season (28 TDs, 3,500 yards passing). But 2012 gets dicey. The Wolfpack would have no Wilson and, presumably, no Glennon. The assumed starter would be then-redshirt sophomore Tyler Brosius. His backup would likely be redshirt freshman Brian Taylor. Kinda scary."
NFL Draft
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"League teams chose 35 players from ACC teams, the seventh consecutive year that the conference has had at least 30 draft picks. The only other conference to top that is the SEC, considered by many to be the nation's top football conference."
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Maybe if he wasn't stinking it up on the beisbol diamond, he wouldn't still be thinkin about playing more football.
I think Baseball for Russel is work and Football is fun, and the man just isn’t ready to “get to work”. He’s not an NFL guy, why in the world would he risk getting his ass wupped in the SEC for no money, when basically, the Rockies are saying "HERE…you aren’t the best we’ve seen, but here’s a Sh… Ton of Scrilla, let’s get you out here and started on your career already. He’s gonna go play for a football team, have a mediocre to good year and then, The Rockies are going to pull his contract and he’s gonna have one hell of time getting into the MLB. Seems Brett Favre’esc…just can’t decide WHEN he’s going, WHERE he’s going, or HOW he’s gonna get there. I applaud coach TOB for saying “Look…you can’t man up and make a life decsion, fine, I’LL make it for you. GTFO and never come back, Glennon! Get under center”.
Wilson would be really good for a terrible Auburn team
But he would be GREAT on a really good South Carolina team that IMO is top10-15 with him at the helm. Not to mention they run somewhat similar offenses.
If RW has a good year make no mistake he would get drafted, just not very high. Dude is was too short (not even 6’!!!)
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by freshcollegeboy on May 3, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Noles are rooting for him to go to scar
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Bad for UF
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by freshcollegeboy on May 3, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Might hurt our chances to repeat as SEC East champs.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
if we win the ACC championship game, it wont matter
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Do you try to suck the fun out of the room?
Or does it come naturally?
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
i was being optimistic
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Does someone have a map that will get Nole07 back to this conversation? Preferably one with a legend that explains things as he goes along.. He seems to have lost his
by PaNole on May 3, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
While your comment isn't insulting, it's uncalled for and somewhat disrespectful.
Please don’t do it again.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
awesome.
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Seriously, though, I'm missing the connection.
Why should we be rooting for that?
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Anything good for USCe is bad for UF.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on May 3, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, I guess. Would that really hurt UF, though?
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Short term, yes.
If USCe can win the SEC East again and keep UF in a mid level bowl AND we can get to a BCS Bowl as many suspect, that should help the national perception of the two programs as well as sway a few fence riding recruits.
As far as it hurting UF long term, absolutely not. It’s more like prolonging UF’s inevitable rise back to the top of the SEC East.
All opinion of course.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
I was thinking more long term.
As far as short term goes, I’m not so sure anything other than a really bad season for UF will make much difference in recruiting.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a huge difference
But if it sways one or two highly skilled kids it will help.
I don’t think a really bad season (6-6?) hurts UF much. The excuses are built in (new staff, new system, same QB, suspensions, dismissals) and I’d buy some of them.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
They may have excuses,
but the little team up the road went 10-4 with pretty much the same challenges. I would consider that a selling point to recruits.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They also have far more talent on their roster than we did at this point last year.
Here’s to a 6-6 UF that loses to the eventual SEC East champs USCe quaterbacked by Russell Wilson.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
I will definitely drink to that.
Cheers, my man.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's to a 1-11 UF football team combined with a self-imposed death penalty...we still drinkin??
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I think people tend to overestimate wins/losses in the world of recruiting. I think as long as you are stable and don't reek of incompetence, very few guys are going to tilt their decision on whether or not we beat UF/beat UM/won the ACC/went BCS/etc.
A whole lot of it still comes down to where the kid feels comfortable, and the personalities doing the recruiting. That’s where we currently hold straight aces…this staff is a killer recruiting staff Jimbo put together.
See: Clemson
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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i think Tyrod Taylor is a fair comparison for the draft
except Wilson is shorter (5’11"). Taylor was drafted in the 6th, and thats about where Wilson’s absoulte draft ceiling is as well. the difference? Taylor comes in at 6’1", and was supposedly drafted as a QB. Wilson would have to move to WR, and that means a really low draft spot too, if at all.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
RW is a much better QB in my opinion
but that could be because I have seen him more.
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by freshcollegeboy on May 3, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
definitely agree with you
Think RW is waay better qb than TT. only in his senior year did TT look like he could run an offense. And then 90% of that was hand off the ball or improv after not finding a receiver
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Why do people keep comparing RW to Favre?
isn’t this the first year there was any doubt as to whether he intended to play football? Has he done anything to embarrass NCSt? Isn’t there a limit to how long this could go on, because of eligibility?
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
None of the Russell Wilson news is relevant IMO.
Because there is no way he plays CFB this season. The guy, as someone else mentioned, has a ton of money on the table. This is just a fall back/negotiation ploy. B
Seems he is very interested.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Negotiation ploy?
He already signed his baseball contract.
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Will those players be major contributers to the 2011 team? Plus, will those 2 DLine players just add depth or expect to contribute for 2012. Do you see this as a move to just bulster depth for 2012 and not in any way to add game changers? I think their line is looking pretty young and small in 2012 after all the Randy recruits leave, and this is just a reach to help them have some type of line that shuffles 5 players instead of 3. RW leaving, better for FSU’s chances in 2011 of having a less competitive game before the short week to BC, or is it to early to tell?
2012
So our Thurs away options for 2012 are:
@VT
@NCST
@MD
@UM (Not gonna happen)
Sheesh. Better fix our OOC sked NOW
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by The Ryno and I Know on May 3, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NC State is probably likely again. Pack will be pretty good in 2012.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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What line of thinking goes into making that decision?
Is it about a competitive game or showcasing a powerful team in hopes of impressing the pollsters.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
Probably ratings.
Also, NC State’s stadium layout (parking) is quite conducive too having the game there on a Thursday night. We’ve played it several times in a row.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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FSU @ VT would/should draw bigger ratings, no?
At least from a brand POV.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
agreed
better prime time match up. sucks its in Blacksburg.
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Yes. But the ACC seems to like GT-VT every year for Thursdays
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Good.
I don’t think playing in Lane on a Thursday night is becoming of a NC favorite.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
agreed
it wouldn’t become a nole favorite either
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Remember that the ACC has Thursday night all to itself. It doesn’t want to blow its best game, which should be Saturday is possible, on Thursday.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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ok...
maybe a VT vs UM or a NC VS NCS?
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
If NC State is playing FSU in a Thursday nighter it won’t be playing a second against uNC.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Gotcha
Thursday’s should be good games. Saturday’s should be great games.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
Because Saturday has to compete with all the other conferences.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Which also applies to it being a Saturday featured game
be it on ABC or ESPN prime time or even ABC 3:30 featured game. FSU/NCST won’t have the same appeal for a Sat. prime spot.
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Whoever it winds up being, hopefully Jimbo will get his way and get us a bye week the weekend before.
Smart scheduling please.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Or schedule a 1AA before it.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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got it
its making sense…..
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
At worst case scenario, although I'm sure everyone would rather have a bye instead of playing on on 4 days rest, no matter the competion.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
agreed
bye is the way to go….
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Yep.
Or option three: play your 1AA on a Thursday night and tell our fans to shove it when they complain.
(Kidding. That’s not a realistic option)
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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lol
didn’t we do that whaen we played those labor day games before?
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We did it in reverse, playing on a Saturday AFTER a Monday.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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i see
so no kick off classics anymore for us huh?
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I didn’t say that. It really depends on the year.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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food for thought
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYA-27DX2U
should be a link for a classic… try it out!!
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Ahh, yes.
If FSU wants to open with Kansas, that’s fine. But it had better be a home game so the ’Noles get the money, the local businesses get the money, etc.
FSU should not be traveling for any game other than UF or a conference game.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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agreed
for now… how about a home and home vs army ? I like that idea…. just scratching the surface bud… work with me. it would have to be early in the season in sept. not into oct .. season change.
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No.
I said “FSU should not be traveling for any game other than UF or a conference game.”
Army is not UF
Army is not a conference game.
Thus, FSU should not be traveling to play army. If Army wants to come to Tallahassee without a return trip to West Point, that would be fine.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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hmmmmm
ok so we should have a game that will draw a crowd…. so a D1 school with a tally visit only? Some might buy into it.How about an all Florida year ?… hear me out on this… be the only team to play miami, florida, FAU, and south florida all in one year. Already unofficial state champs……. just throwing out Ideas here.
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
South Florida is a bad game for a number of reasons.
First, they won’t take a road game without a return trip.
Second, the game means much more to them than it does to FSU, meaning they will play a lot harder and prepare harder.
I’d like to see
-Conf Game
-Conf Game
-Conf Game
-Conf Game
-@ Conf Game
-@ Conf Game
-@ Conf Game
-@ Conf Game
-UF
-HOME GAME against Louisiana Tech Indiana Central Michigan North Texas Ohio Miami (Ohio) Kent State Washington State Marshall Vanderbilt UL-Monroe Idaho Middle Tennessee Utah State Western Kentucky UL-Lafayette Florida Atlantic Tulane Wyoming San Jose State Rice UTEP Bowling Green Buffalo Eastern Michigan Kansas Ball State Colorado State UNLV Akron Memphis New Mexico New Mexico State UMass
- HOME GAME against Louisiana Tech Indiana Central Michigan North Texas Ohio Miami (Ohio) Kent State Washington State Marshall Vanderbilt UL-Monroe Idaho Middle Tennessee Utah State Western Kentucky UL-Lafayette Florida Atlantic Tulane Wyoming San Jose State Rice UTEP Bowling Green Buffalo Eastern Michigan Kansas Ball State Colorado State UNLV Akron Memphis New Mexico New Mexico State UMass
- HOME GAME D1-AA
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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That is 8 home games when FSU plays UF at home, and 7 when it does not
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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that sir...
is a loaded schedule… and I agree that it would be best case in and out for us. what to do?
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Wishful thinking....
but a boy can dream can’t he??
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by Alittlemore_cowbell on May 3, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Will those players be major contributers to the 2011 team?
Doubtful
Plus, will those 2 DLine players just add depth or expect to contribute for 2012.JUCO definitely should contribute in 2012
Do you see this as a move to just bulster depth for 2012 and not in any way to add game changers?Too early to tell, but they aren’t special as recruits
I think their line is looking pretty young and small in 2012 after all the Randy recruits leave, and this is just a reach to help them have some type of line that shuffles 5 players instead of 3.A lot of it depends on whether Vernon and Fortson go early.
RW leaving, better for FSU’s chances in 2011 of having a less competitive game before the short week to BC, or is it to early to tell?True
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Millions of your brain cells are thankful.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking that too
DR. KNs comment notwithstanding.
Bring back Peter Tom Willis— a true Nole! -FiestaNole
Phew, this scheduling conversation seems obvious but really won't be put to rest until we see ACTUAL changes
As I’ve noted previously:
Great teams have clarity in philosophy and therefore successful outcomes in three specific areas
1. Coaching = Fixed
2. Recruiting = Fixed
3. Schedule = NOT Fixed
Now I understand that there is some work to be done in 1 & 2 (implementing schemes takes time; creating talent depth takes time), but we at least have a definitive direction in where the program is headed in those two areas, and as fans we can relax FINALLY in terms of coaching and recruting.
However, until we see for ourselves actions taken by the school to remedy the scheduling mess that is detrimental to our long term success we will have to accept 8-9 win seasons. No UM at beginning of the year, NO Labor Day games, no OOC games against FBS opponents outside of UF. When that is done, we will be able to boast before, during and after every season to the Gates and Canes that we are the team to beat in the Sunshine State. Its been too damn long since we’ve been able to say that.
by The Ryno and I Know on Jan 7, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Obviously the removal of Air Force was not enough to put this issue to rest. Until we see our 2011 & 2012 schedules free of USF and WVa and the like, do I think we move past this argument.
For those against, please understand this is part of Jimbo’s plan AS HE HAS STATED SEVERAL TIMES. You’ve already seen the changes implemented in coaching and recruting, so please prepare yourselves for the changes in scheduling that will take place.
For those that are for the changes, I can only say consider this issue not put to bed until we actually see the changes made in our schedule.
by The Ryno and I Know on Mar 16, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
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"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on May 3, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
so...... is scar or auburn going to get RW?
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Can someone explain how N.C. State is any good?
They recruit like crap according to Rivals and ESPN the past 2-3 years.
What are you glorifying with your life?
it looks like
NCS has a solid recruiting in the O and D lines…. just observation.
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Tradition
built by former legendary HC Amato.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
They are BC-south. Solid northern coaches and apparently do a pretty good job scouting.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Aside from Irving, who was a pre-O'Brien signee, and Wilson, who committed before O'Brien became coach,
who all have they had that was that good since O’Brien’s been there?
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Was thinking the same thing
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Robert Crisp is a super oline recruit. Mike Glennon was rated higher than EJ.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Ah, I was going more for on-field production but that works, too.
As for Glennon/Manuel, Manuel was higher on Scout and Rivals but both were pretty much top 5 QB’s across the board.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Trick is right.
Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
Thanks tricknole!
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Would anyone trade EJ for Glennon right now?
Didn’t think so.
Has anybody done a breakdown
of the ACC’s draft picks…offense/defense? My guess is it was defense heavy again this year.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
That would make for a interesting fanpost if anyone cares to attempt it.
Any takers out there?
Bueller?
Bueller?
Bueller?
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
1 12 Christian Ponder, Florida State, QB Vikings
1 14 Robert Quinn, North Carolina, DE Rams
1 22 Anthony Castonzo, Boston College, T Colts
2 33 Ras-I Dowling, Virginia, CB Patriots
2 38 Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech, RB Cardinals
2 40 Bruce Carter, North Carolina, LB Cowboys
2 41 Jarvis Jenkins, Clemson, DT Redskins
2 46 Orlando Franklin, Miami, OL Broncos
2 50 Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson, CB Chargers
2 51 Da’ Quan Bowers, Clemson, DE Buccaneers
2 52 Marvin Austin, North Carolina, DT Giants
2 55 Rodney Hudson, Florida State, C-G Chiefs
2 58 Torrey Smith, Maryland, WR Ravens
2 59 Greg Little, North Carolina, WR Browns
2 60 Brandon Harris, Miami, CB Texans
3 67 Nate Irving, NC State, LB Broncos
3 79 Leonard Hankerson, Miami, WR Redskins
3 81 DeMarcus Van Dyke, Miami, CB Raiders
3 86 Allen Bailey, Miami, DE Chiefs
4 100 Da’Norris Searcy, North Carolina, S Bills
4 109 Colin McCarthy, Miami, ILB Titans
4 122 Chris Hairston, Clemson, T Bills
4 127 Rashad Carmichael, Virginia Tech, CB Texans
4 130 Jamie Harper, Clemson, RB Titans
5 133 Johnny White, North Carolina, RB Bills
5 152 T.J. Yates, North Carolina, QB Texans
6 171 Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina, LB Cardinals
6 173 Byron Maxwell, Clemson, DB Seahawks
6 180 Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech, QB Ravens
6 181 Richard Gordon, Miami, TE Raiders
6 192 Matt Bosher, Miami, P-PK Falcons
7 218 Ryan Taylor, North Carolina, TE Cowboys
7 221 Da’Rel Scott, Maryland, RB Giants
7 224 Markus White, Florida State, DE Redskins
7 225 Anthony Allen, Georgia Tech, RB Ravens
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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35 players drafted from the ACC
1 Special Teams
Bosher, Matt K 6’1" 208 Miami Pick 27, Round 6 (192) Falcons
17 Offensive Players
4 OL
Castonzo, Anthony OL 6’7" 311 Boston College Pick 22, Round 1 (22) Colts
Hudson, Rodney OL 6’2" 299 Florida St. Pick 23, Round 2 (55) Chiefs
Franklin, Orlando OL 6’6" 316 Miami Pick 14, Round 2 (46) Broncos
Hairston, Chris OL 6’6" 326 Clemson Pick 25, Round 4 (122) Bills
5 RBs
Scott, Da’Rel RB 5’11" 211 Maryland Pick 18, Round 7 (221) Giants
Harper, Jamie RB 5’11" 233 Clemson Pick 33, Round 4 (130) Titans
Allen, Anthony RB 6’1" 228 Georgia Tech Pick 22, Round 7 (225) Ravens
Williams, Ryan RB 5’9" 212 Virginia Tech Pick 6, Round 2 (38) Cardinals
White, Johnny RB 5’10" 209 North Carolina Pick 2, Round 5 (133) Bills
3 QBs
Taylor, Tyrod QB 6’1" 217 Virginia Tech Pick 15, Round 6 (180) Ravens
Yates, Taylor QB 6’3" 219 North Carolina Pick 21, Round 5 (152) Texans
Ponder, Christian QB 6’2" 229 Florida St. Pick 12, Round 1 (12) Vikings
2 TEs
Gordon, Richard TE - - Miami Pick 16, Round 6 (181) Raiders
Taylor, Ryan TE - - North Carolina Pick 15, Round 7 (218) Packers
3 WRs
Smith, Torrey WR 6’1" 204 Maryland Pick 26, Round 2 (58) Ravens
Little, Greg WR 6’3" 220 North Carolina Pick 27, Round 2 (59) Browns
Hankerson, Leonard WR 6’2" 209 Miami Pick 15, Round 3 (79) Redskins
17 Defensive Players
6 DL/DEs
Austin, Marvin DL 6’2" 309 North Carolina Pick 20, Round 2 (52) Giants
Jenkins, Jarvis DL 6’4" 310 Clemson Pick 9, Round 2 (41) Redskins
Bailey, Allen DL 6’3" 285 Miami Pick 22, Round 3 (86) Chiefs
White, Markus DE 6’4" 266 Florida St. Pick 21, Round 7 (224) Redskins
Quinn, Robert DE 6’4" 265 North Carolina Pick 14, Round 1 (14) Rams
Bowers, Da’Quan DE 6’3" 280 Clemson Pick 19, Round 2 (51) Buccaneers
4 LBs
McCarthy, Colin LB 6’1" 238 Miami Pick 12, Round 4 (109) Titans
Carter, Bruce LB 6’2" 241 North Carolina Pick 8, Round 2 (40) Cowboys
Irving, Nate LB 6’1" 240 N.C. State Pick 3, Round 3 (67) Broncos
Sturdivant, Quan LB 6’1" 241 North Carolina Pick 6, Round 6 (171) Cardinals
7 DBs
Harris, Brandon DB 5’10" 191 Miami Pick 28, Round 2 (60) Texans
Gilchrist, Marcus DB 5’10" 195 Clemson Pick 18, Round 2 (50) Chargers
Carmichael, Rashad DB 5’10" 192 Virginia Tech Pick 30, Round 4 (127) Texans
Searcy, Da’Norris DB 5’11" 223 North Carolina Pick 3, Round 4 (100) Bills
Maxwell, Byron DB 6’0" 202 Clemson Pick 8, Round 6 (173) Seahawks
Van Dyke, Demarcus DB 6’1" 176 Miami Pick 17, Round 3 (81) Raiders
Dowling, Ras-I DB 6’1" 198 Virginia Pick 1, Round 2 (33) Patriots
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Wow.
Pretty evenly distributed. That is a change from recent drafts. I looked it up a while back and it was something like 65% defense over the last five years. I also remember there had been a lack of ACC QB’s.
I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.
-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 3, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, ACC really picked up its O tho (and lost some D)
GT had a lot of D players drafted and couldn’t replace. WF had some D players drafted and couldn’t replace. VT has a young D this past year, they usually put a number of D players in the draft. FSU had a really young team obviously, that didn’t contribute much.
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Yet, in the last decade we’ve produced Rivers, Vick, Ryan, and Schaub. Vick wasnt in the league then, but still not too shabby
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on May 3, 2011 4:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yet, in the last decade we’ve produced Rivers, Vick, Ryan, and Schaub, Whitehurst and the almighty Woodrow Dantzler. Vick wasnt in the league then, but still not too shabby
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on May 3, 2011 4:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What the double post?!
Sorry
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on May 3, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want to put this is graph form.
perhaps compared with the other conferences. But the wife is yelling at me to be productive. Got to go get moving boxes instead. yay.
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Graph by Conference
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Winners by Round
1st: SEC
2nd: ACC
3rd: SEC
4th: BIG12/ACC
5th: SEC/BIG12/PAC12
6th: PAC12
7th: BIG12
"If we can hit that bullseye then the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards... Checkmate." - Zapp Brannigan
"It's a good deal, but some poor people remain oddly unf**ked" - Jon Stewart on the proposed budget agreement.
"Relax Hannity, it wasn't all that long ago that everyone hated the Irish for swarming over here in their potato boats and taking all the jobs." - Archer
Great work
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Its Crazy
the amount of defensive talent UNC had, def could have been a darkhorse national title contender without all the off the field issues
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