Predicting The All-ACC Team: Quarterbacks
This is the second in a series on the 2011 All-ACC team. First, we profiled the players returning from the 2010 All-ACC team. Today, we'll discuss the quarterbacks.
No quarterback who received a vote for the 2010 All-ACC team returns, so the conference will begin anew.
Other than having a great season while playing on an excellent team, what can a QB do to get on the All-ACC team?
The QB can either have a great reputation, have a good statistical season for a good team, or an amazing statistical season on a bad team. Got that? Good. Let's profile the candidates.
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The Returning Starters
Danny O'Brien of the Maryland Terrapins, a sophomore, has the best ACC QB rating of any returning starter at 129, with a line of 156-278 for 1928 with a 16/6 TD/INT ratio. With a new offensive coordinator and a major downgrade of the receiving corps, a repeat performance could be tough. And while they will probably make a bowl, Maryland is not expected to have the type of season that would allow for O'Brien to make the team if he has a repeat statistical performance. The counter to that, however, is that he will be throwing the ball more.
Chase Rettig of the Boston College Eagles, a sophomore showed remarkable poise while being subjected to some awful coaching, compiling a rating of 115 on 132 attempts. A new offensive coordinator and most of his weapons return, including WR Colin Larmond, Jr. (missed most of last season). But the offensive line looks like it will take a big step back, and the Eagles don't throw often enough for Rettig to make a serious run at the team.
Duke's Sean Renfree, a junior, may fit the "big numbers on a bad team" category. He'll get the attempts, but will have to massively reduce the interceptions after amassing a QB rating of 111 on 328 attempts.
Tanner Price, a sophomore for the Wake Forest Demon Deacons, was the worst starting quarterback in the ACC, with a QB rating of 105 on 149 attempts. Even if he was at a point physically where he could be considered, Wake doesn't throw the ball enough for him to be seriously considered on a team that is quite unlikely to make a bowl game, much less a run at the division.
Jacory Harris of the Miami Hurricanes earned national hype for torching two defenses in 2009 that nobody realized (at the time) were awful. His next 19 games against D1 teams was were really poor. Coach Al Golden is determined to take the ball out of the hands of the QB, no matter who ends up with the starting job. With a strong line and excellent backs, expect fewer throws in Coral Gables this year. That will make it hard for Harris (or whoever starts for Miami) to make the All-ACC team.
Inside, find the breakdown of the remaining seven quarterbacks and see who I predict will be on the pre and post-season All-ACC teams!
Partial Starters

Florida State's EJ Manuel put up an impressive 151 QB rating in 57 ACC throws. The redshirt junior from Virginia has progressed each season and his combination of arm and feet are unmatched in the ACC, with the exception of Logan Thomas (see below). Manuel, however, has started games for Florida State in each of the last two seasons (see diagram at left). All of his major targets return. Manuel has the advantage of playing on the overwhelming division favorite. As discussed above, that likely means he won't need to put up amazing numbers to make the All-ACC team. A good statistical season and a bunch of wins has proven impressive to the voters in the past.
Tevin Washington's passing numbers (QB rating of 128 on 30 ACC passes) indicate that the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets' redshirt junior should be in the "new starters" category. But the Yellow Jackets run the option, and Washington started the last four games for GT. He'd need to replicate Joshua Nesbitt's 2009 season to get consideration for an All-Conference slot. It's possible, as Nesbitt has the exact same passer rating, but Washington is going to need to step up the passing a good bit as he is not the runner that Nesbitt was. Questions about the talent around him remain as well.
New Starters
Logan Thomas of the Virginia Tech Hokies is being hyped as the next Cam Newton. At 6'6" and 240 pounds with tremendous athleticism and a big arm, it's easy to see why. But he's not as quick as Newton, rather, he takes time to build up his speed. His ability to play the position is unknown, but he has excellent skill guys to work with. Tech has the easiest schedule in the entire conference and there is no reason the Hokies should be any worse than 10-2. Take a record like that, throw in some highlights, and writers will vote him in regardless of whether his play merits the honor.
Before last season, North Carolina Tar Heel fans wanted to bench T.J. Yates. I said this was a mistake and that his sub-par 2009 was on his receivers and not him. The receivers improved, Yates lit it up, got drafted, and I was proven right. This year, however, it will be time for the man Tar Heel fans wanted to see start at the beginning of last season, redshirt sophomore Bryn Renner. The 6'3" 200 pound Renner is talented and UNC people are very excited about him. Playing behind a quality offensive line and throwing to an excellent receiving corps, it's not out of the question to project Renner to throw for close to 2000 yards and double-digit TDs in just eight conference games. UNC could vie for the division title, and if they do, don't be surprised to see Renner on the list.
Mike Glennon of the N.C. State Wolfpack is a talented player at 6'6" and 230 pounds with a big arm. But the redshirt junior doesn't have a great shot here for several reasons. First, like O'Brien above, he lost an enormous amount of receivers. And two, N.C. State wants to run the ball much more this year. Reduced reps + massive decrease in surrounding skill talent make it hard to see Glennon, who is very talented, on the All-ACC team.
The Clemson Tigers' redshirt sophomore Tahj Boyd has a big arm and some athleticism. Clemson has a good offensive line, excellent young skill talent, and a very good new staff (except its head coach, Dabo Swinney). Can Boyd be consistent? Will CU throw often enough? And if not, will he run the ball often enough to merit consideration for the team? Boyd is a major wildcard here.
The Virginia Cavaliers have not determined who will be the starter. They are considering four players and none are expected to be any good.
Here are my projections:
| Pre-Season | Post-Season | |
| 1st Team | Danny O'Brien | EJ Manuel |
| 2nd Team | EJ Manuel | Logan Thomas |
| Hon Mention | Logan Thomas | Bryn Renner |
-I expect a close vote between O'Brien and Manuel to open the season.
- While non-conference game should not count when determining an all-conference team, I expect the writers will be too lazy to separate Thomas' numbers against Virginia Tech's joke of a non-conference slate (four mid-majors). Writers love winners, and Virginia Tech's wins will make it easy to put Thomas on the team.
-I expect Renner to have better numbers and play on a better team with a better record than O'Brien, and thus expect him to narrowly edge out O'Brien.
- O'Brien is a good player, but even in the unlikely event that he replicates 2010's statistics (unlikely because his receiving corps is decimated), he'd still get left off if Maryland goes 6-6 or 7-5, which seems likely.
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Bud I know that UNC lost alot of talent this past year
But how talented would you say their offense will be this year compared to us?
by Noleforever9399 on May 31, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
I think they are similarly talented. UNC has the best skill guy between the two (Jones). Neither team has special backs. FSU is deeper at wideout by a hair. The olines are similar.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
QUALITY Article Bud.
I disagree only with Renner over O’Brien. I expect Maryland to be bad, but I think they will just toss the team on O’Brien’s shoulders offensively and that he will put up better than you think numbers. Agree with your top 2 however.
GO EJ!
Do you see O’Brien having better numbers?
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I can see 2.5K yards and a 2-to-1 int ratio
Which would be better than last year. I think his Int’s go up but I expect his yards to go up too.
I see O’Brien with 2500 and probably 20-10
I see Renner with 2900 and a similar TD/INT, but on a better team.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I find your numbers optimistic
But agree that if those do end up being the numbers, then I agree with your prediction.
Optimistic for which?
Yates threw for 3400, 19/9 last year for UNC.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Ah
I was arguing for using conference numbers, but i have to acknowledge that writers are lazy and won’t stick with that.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
How much will EJ’s running numbers bear on making the all ACC team? I think that he will have some impressive running stats. No Cam Newton type numbers but respectable enough to consider in determining his place in the all ACC team.
I think running QBs get respect for their running numbers, while non-runners do not. EJ will get more credit for them than Ponder.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think O'Brien is the second best QB in the ACC
Behind EJ, but I don’t know what the numbers will say at the end of the season. So I will bow out and defer to your better knowledge ;-)
I do not.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Having all your targets returning
is a bigger deal for an NFL-type offense that relies on crisp routes and well-timed breaks. Ponder did more with less than every other 1st round QB last year. But this season could really depend on Dawsey’s coaching ability. That and emerging threat in Christian Green, Greg Dent, Kenny Shaw, or Scooter Haggins.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I'm hoping that we see good things from Christian Green this season.
by Noleforever9399 on May 31, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
But if our receivers just run their damn routes correctly, EJ will look all-world.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Hopefully we have enough young guys
To push the older wr. If there is not big improvement then JF needs to get involved.
Good news for you, I'm a drunk and a washout already, so I can talk to whoever I want, burned or not. -Sam Axe
I don’t see it. He’s buried on the depth chart. If Easterling leaves, it helps CG’s chances.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
i mean baseball
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 31, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Drafted 31st round last year
6th, his senior of high school. Kid made the wrong move, $$$ wise.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Disagree
I don’t know what his offer was out of high school, but average 6th-round money then (I’m guessing) was probably around 150-200K. Even if he could have gotten better money than that (doubtful from Marlins), I think he still made the right choice. Say he could have signed then for 250K. After taxes that’s about 160K. That amount probably would have shrunk if he’d have invested in the stock market or bought a house. Then he plays six years in the minor leagues, where the average salary, per year (for the first 6 years), is less than 10K. Nobody can live on 10K per year, so he has to dip into that bonus. 160K divided by six years (if he didn’t buy a car or lose some in the market) is about 27K, plus the less-than 10K he makes each year, would have given him about $35,000 per year to live on during his first six years in pro ball. After six years, he’s out of money (not that he was irresponsible – 35K a year isn’t a whole lot), and if he hadn’t made it to the majors by then, he probably wasn’t going to make it. So now he’s 24-years old, has no job, too old to try football, and zero college education. I think he made the right choice.
2 sports
What is Jimbo’s position on 2 sport athletes? FSU does have a bit of a history with Deion Sanders, Charlie Ward, Philip Riley, Michael Ray Garvin and others. Is Easterling a JF recruit or was he somebody brought in by Jeff Bowden? What I am asking is has Fisher given any indication that he is willing to take players who want to play additional sports or would he shy away from them.
I think he is ok with it if the player can take care of his primary obligation.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Fisher brought in Easterling
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I like Easterling.
He has helped us in certain games. Not the greatest but lately, who is?
I assume easterling is gone and that spot belongs to Haggins.
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by AMFKNole on May 31, 2011 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you think Jacory is even the starter this year?
Morris looked pretty good – at times – last year in his limited playing time. A 7 TD to 9 INTs ratio is nothing to brag about but his rating was actually better than Harris’. I think Morris has the better arm of the two.
I feel more like I do now, than I did before
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by HaveNoleOption on May 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
If Golden is smart
He’ll start Ponder over Weatherford.
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on May 31, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
cant remember,
1) is Golden an offensive minded guy?
2) won’t miami’s O-line be better than FSU’s ’07 crew ?,
SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...
He played tight end.
Yeah, Miami’s oline is on point.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Kehoe is a great coach
Not a zone guy, though. Their lines should be big and beefy and good as straight-ahead blockers. Holding the edge against UM now and in the future has never been more important.
What are you glorifying with your life?
If Golden were smart
he’d have stayed at Temple, holding out for a better offer.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
FSU football - the 2010 Florida and South Carolina state champs.
ODU Monarchs football - 17-5 in years one and two.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 31, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
Yes, Miami has garbage facilities and is football-poor monitarily. But he won’t have to travel more than 100 miles to recruit 25 good players every year. Miami under Golden is an 8.5 win team that could win 10 and the Coastal once every 4-5 years.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Sarcasm side of my brain (which is the whole thing) is failing regularly these days.
I’m in big trouble.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
FSU football - the 2010 Florida and South Carolina state champs.
ODU Monarchs football - 17-5 in years one and two.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 31, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with basically every thought here
Boyd and the entire Clemson offense is absolutely the wildcard. They could be deadly or a dud in their first season with that offense. I agree that EJ will nip Logan for 1st team.
>>---l>
I don't think
any team in the country is going to have an offense as sharp as OU’s, especially one that is starting a new QB and a new offensive scheme. Will Clemson give us a tough game? Yes, they always do, especially at home. Will they be nearly as big a threat pace-wise as OU. Highly doubt it.
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
Possibly Oregon but no one else...
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haha
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Well that IS Mark Stoop's Job.
Until he’s coaching AGAINST us in a National Championship game and not WITH US. Bloom!. Scalp em.
With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
Will OU and Clemson be running a similar style of offense?
Seems like both are up-tempo spread types. If so, that could play in our favor heading into Death Valley.
by FSUActuary on May 31, 2011 4:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Similar tempo, but not style
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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