Miami Hurricanes 2010 Recruiting Class: Already A Failure?
by Bud Elliott on May 5, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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I predicted the failure of Miami's enormous and awful 2010 class. I've pointed to it as a primary reason why Miami will have to fight to make a bowl in 2012 as the 'Canes will be unable to replace 21 scholarship seniors (including 11 starters and 5 other key reserves) with the players they signed in the 2010 class as those players are not Miami caliber. I just didn't think my predictions would come true after the players had been in the program for only a single season. But with Jeffrey Brown being charged with rape and Miami suspending as many as eight other players for at least one game, it is time to take a look at that poison pill of a class and ask the question: is it already a failure?
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- 30: Players signed by Miami in 2010
- 20: Players remaining from the 2010 class after ten dismissals/transfers.
- 16: Players from the 2010 class eligible to play in the first game after four suspensions.
Let's recall some of the arguments where I predicted this:
Shannon dominated recruiting in 2007 and particularly 2008, but has now crashed into the mountain. Miami's latest class is 30 players and few of them had offers from elite programs. Further, Shannon is getting destroyed in Dade and Broward and is nonexistent in Palm Beach County.. The Canes didn't land a top-26 player from Dade in 2010. Taking a class of enormous size and marginal (at best) talent is the kind of thing that can hurt a program for a half-decade. Of similarly sized classes, Miami's is rated closer to Houston than it is to Auburn.
Miami could be good in 2010 and 2011 because of the talent it brought in in 2007 and 2008, but the 2012 and 2013 teams could struggle to make a bowl game.
That window to win for Miami I mentioned above? 2011 is the last year it will be open for a few years. After 2011 Miami loses a ton of talent (21 scholarship seniors including 12 starters and 6 other key reserves). And while many teams lose talent and replace it with more veteran talent, the Canes simply don't have the young players on their roster to do that. Why? Shannon's recruiting steadily declined after 2008, including a really poor effort in 2010 when he took an amazing number of scrubs after getting dominated by FSU & UF on the recruiting trail. Shannon's grabbing a huge number of players was a well-chronicled desperation move by Shannon to improve the rating of his class on the recruiting sites, not by quality, but by quantity. But Golden is stuck with those players nobody else wanted. He knew that he was getting out of Temple, but perhaps he didn't know what he was getting into.
And in response to the claim that recruiting rankings don't matter and that Miami will be loaded:
Every year the rankings get more accurate. With the advent of the internet, sleepers are becoming scarcer and scarcer. Miami fans will tell you that Ed Reed was a two-star recruit. That's correct. But Alonzo Highsmith was recruited by Notre Dame, Michigan, and every other program in the country. Kellen Winslow, Antrelle Rolle, Sean Taylor, and Vince Wilfork were all five-star recruits. This idea that Miami was built on below-average recruits is silly. The idea that with the advent of the internet, Miami is losing its edge in evaluating SoFla talent is not. Programs have greater access to SoFla kids and those kids from Miami have greater exposure to other programs.
Miami's recruiting isn't falling off a cliff and the 'Canes will always have decent players. But Miami might not always have great players. And that's what I don't understand about what Miami did last year. The Canes took this enormous class of very average players. Teams do not have unlimited scholarships. The 'Canes are stuck with these scrubs for the next four years unless they elect to transfer or go on a crime spree.
Inside, we break it down player-by-player.
| Stars | Position | Player | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 5 | OL | Seantrel Henderson | Suspended, talented, possible transfer |
| 4 | RB | Eduardo Clements | Moved to corner |
| 4 | OL | Brandon Linder | Good, very promising. |
| 4 | OL | Malcolm Bunche | Surprisingly very good |
| 3 | WR | Allen Hurns | Could be decent |
| 3 | RB | Darion Hall | Wasted scholarship |
| 3 | LB | Tyrone Cornelius | Too early to tell |
| 3 | DE | David Perry | Still super raw (from Bahamas) |
| 3 | DB | Kacy Rodgers | Too early to tell |
| 3 | DB | Keion Payne | Suspended |
| 3 | TE | Chase Ford | Nothing special |
| 3 | RB | Maurice Hagens | Nothing special |
| 3 | QB | Stephen Morris | Potentially good |
| 3 | OL | Shane McDermott | Could be good |
| 3 | OL | Johnathan Feliciano | Not Miami quality |
| 3 | TE | Clive Walford | Very raw athlete |
| 3 | OL | Jermaine Barton | Suspended |
| 2 | LB | James Gaines | Could be decent |
| 2 | LB | Kelvin Cain | Suspended/ could be decent |
| 2 | TE | Asante-Jabari Cleveland | Potentially pretty good |
Again, to re-cap
- Of the 30 who signed: only 20 remain.
- Of those 20, an astounding four more have been suspended for at least one game in the upcoming season.
- So, of the original 30 signed, half are both on the team and eligible to play in the season opener.
When a team takes a class of 30 players, it is saying "this is the foundation upon which we will build our house for the next four years." But the building material that Miami's class resembles isn't concrete, but rather Chinese drywall.
However, Miami does seem to be getting rid of a decent amount of these kids. That is a good thing only if they are able to replace them with freshmen who will be better as freshmen than the departed players from the 2010 class would be as third-year players.
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OT: Waste Management has the same colors as William & Mary (Va.)
Which is great because WM is the contracted waste removal company for W&M, so their dumpsters are everywhere on campus.
What are you glorifying with your life?
2 questions.
A) Why do you know that?
B) How is this pertinent in ANY fashion?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman
Well that is a waste management dumpster containing the blaze above. He’s also right on all counts.
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Fair question outside of the pictured dumpster in the story
Rico’s just flexing his waste management knowledge. We all have our hobbies.
>>---l>
Doesn't the "OT" cover the pertinence? lol
And he drives the garbage truck for WM on WM’s campus.
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My dad always says
being a garbageman isn’t too bad: $20/hour, and all you can eat.
What are you glorifying with your life?
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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The solid verbal guys
Those guys like the Tire Fire reference instead of Dumpster Fire. Nobody likes a tire fire.
Go Noles!!
Do you ever get the feeling
That other blogs are playing in the sandbox while TN is constructing a working replica of an Abrams tank? Great piece Bud. The no-holds barred analysis is still coming strong.
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AsylumLeader (5/5/2011 at 1:08 PM) Report Violation "http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/5/5/2154722/miami-hurricanes-2010-recruiting-class-already-a-failure <=====This is a lovely read. "
Once again, opinionated drivel. Struggle to make a bowl game in 2012? Ummm okay if Bud says so then F-ck it lets fold up shop
With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
Link?
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With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
Ummm okay if Bud says so then F-ck it lets fold up shop
Actually, Bud didn’t say that, but if he had, he wouldn’t have been the first.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on May 5, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
WOW WTF?
this is getting better and better!!!!
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Relax. It's from 1995. Just trying to flame the dumpster fire.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
so by dumpster fire you mean
the parking lots at Joerobbieproplayersunlifelandshark Stadium last year after FSU laid the smackdown? Seriously the dUMb fans were lighting everything on fire in my lot. Thought we would have trouble but they were too mesmerized by the glow.
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
One more...then I'm done.
AsylumLeader (5/5/2011 at 1:12 PM) Golden is getting rid of the dead weight and will be replaced with JUCOs and a bigger 2012 class. What more does Bud want him to do? You cant sit by and let scrubs eat away at schollies for 4 years while knowing they wont play or be aweful.
With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
That’s funny. Golden being allowed to take talented, but risky kids from SoFla and JUCO. After randy rarely got waivers to do so. And after a player raped a fellow student in her dorm room. And after the Sean Taylor murder, the Brian Pata murder, the Willie Williams debacle, etc.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I'm sorry THIS is the last one...NOW I'm done...seriously.
AsylumLeader (5/5/2011 at 1:15 PM) Report Violation "Who is Bud….. "
“The Jim Jones of the Seminole homers and the all-mighty leader of TN.”
With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
by Chief03 on May 5, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Its like a monkey looking through its cage bars and thinking its everyone else who is locked in.
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by FSUvaFan on May 5, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Did you say ONE more...no..but here it is anyway.
“Leader, I don’t really pay attention to TN either. I think those guys take it to far, and a lot of the articles they post are irrelevant.”
Bud is a F’n joke. “Miami will have the worst non-probation team since the 70s in 2012”, “Miami will be lucky to make a bowl in 2012” and he’s already projecting our record for the 2014 season. Its all drivel and the cult followers eat it up. It’s sad really.
With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
If Bud Elliott is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
by Chief03 on May 5, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Okay...
The Jim Jones of the Seminole homers and the all-mighty leader of TN.
If this idiot believes this site to be full of homers, he hasn’t read it. That is just fact.
Gripper
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by Gripper on May 5, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not if you raise its skirt……..
Florida IS the state of college football....And Tallahassee is its Capitol!!!!
by Mellocello63 on May 5, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it depends how you look at it.
Are there a ton of people who were critical of everything that went on during the lost decade? Yes. Are there a ton of people that are drinking the Fisher/new era FSU Kool Aid? Yes.
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I'm gonna just put this here
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
"The Jim Jones of the Seminole homers and the all-mighty leader of TN."
You should add that to your signature lol.
by naylort on May 5, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hmm
just might
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by goatnole76 on May 6, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ahem, the JIMBO Jones of Seminole Homers would be a better moniker
by Garnet Sox on May 6, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec’d
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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As you pointed out at the time one of the biggest problems with that class was it's size
and UM’s perceived inability to have big boy attrition. It seems like that the players in that class are taking care of that on there own (they have lost some of the better players along with the scrubs). I do agree that UM will be a 5 to 6 win team in 2012, and 2013 won’t be much better but I think they have chance to recover by 2014 if the Shalaha allows AG some leeway. Basically they need top 15 classes of 25-27 in 2012 and 2013 to be a good team(9 wins) in 2014. It will be very interesting to see Shalaha’s reaction to what is going to be a dramatic drop in the football team’s APR.
Agreed. Many of those players are scrubs, so Cane fans are in the strange position of rooting for their own players to be dismissed/ transfer, etc.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Golden is forcing attrition
Reid says the staff flat out told him that he wouldn’t be getting any reps so he should go ahead and transfer. I think the question is can Golden replace the scrubs with the kind of players he needs to live up to expectations. Early returns don’t look that good as the Canes haven’t landed anyone who wasn’t considered a major lean yet.
by osceolafan2.0 on May 5, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
See I read it as Golden told him he would never play and he decided to transfer.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I think the question is can Golden replace the scrubs with the kind of players he needs to live up to expectations. Early returns don’t look that good as the Canes haven’t landed anyone who wasn’t considered a major lean yet.
Yep
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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As private shcool does Miami have to worry about API?
or is that an NCAA thing…
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If you mean APR
I believe it is an NCAA thing and applies to all member institutions regardless of public/private.
You can see Miami’s data by using this form
right. Thanks
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I think your premise is correct but your conclusion is wrong
the more scrubs they lose from the class the smaller the failure it is – they are “missing small” thru attrition
This is actually a step in the right direction for them
I think we agree losing some bad guys is good, but not being able to replace them with more talented players is not.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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especially not replacing them immediately
the ideal backups on the depth chart should include talented players that arent quite ready to play yet, not glorified walk-ons who get snaps in the absence of good prospects. at the moment, Miami seems to have neither. if they have either, its clearly the latter.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Right. The guys they are booting would be 3rd-year players in 2012.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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agreed - but if this is step one - get rid of scrubs - and step two is bring in juco players next year
then this works for them – they still have problems and they may not solve them – but this seems to be a step in the right direction to solve them
you have to do them in the reverse of that order
you cant boot all your backups without replacing them. sign 30 guys in the next cycle, at least 20 of which are worth the scholarship, and run off the guys on roster who wont cut it during the spring. obviously, it wasnt Golden’s choice to cut these guys right now – they did it to themselves – but step 1 is to bring in new players. if your team has no depth (great or average), you will lose most competitive games.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Will/Can Miami bring in 5-10 impact juco's next cycle to make up for these "losses"?
Can’t really see that happening.
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You’re assuming they have permission to attempt and the relationship with JUCO programs to attempt step two.
I would lean towards “no, no” over “yes, yes.”
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Sure, if he can follow the rules and not curse, name call, etc.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Filth, flarn, Filth.
And poopy drawers to you all, you doo doo heads.
by Nole Resurrected on May 5, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm going to REC this just to see what happens when a pink flag turns green.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Ooooh. Green thumb, pink background.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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It's only fair that CR get a green thumbs up. After all, he has the nads to come here and logically hold his own and take our good natured abuse.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on May 5, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
double sunglasses FTW
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
My name is the same at espn as it is on here
but I hardly go on there now ever since I found this site.
by Noleforever9399 on May 5, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Bob, how dare you defame the UM football team with your made up facts.
Don’t you know their careers are in danger because of things you cite on your blog?! Now when people want to look up info on CFB they’ll get justifiable opinions… For shame.
Anyhow, nice post!
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henceforth, let it be known
that when someone sarcastically makes a remark towards Bud, you will call him “Bob”.
nice work, FSUvaFan.
by NolenRyan on May 5, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jim Bob Jones
do it up hillbilly style
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by nole07 on May 5, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
now that is just funny.
Don't you know that any Southern Girl worth her salt is a football fan?
Bob "Dobbs" Elliott
It Just sounds right to me
Maybe because we get cut so much slack….
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More damaging because FSU’s 2007 class was so much smaller. If you miss, miss small and not big.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 5, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well put bud.... AGREED
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Dumpster. Fire.
Absolutely hilarious!
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
its all coming to a head....
Jenkins at Florida….. Brown at Miami……… the air is being let out of the tires of the slugs south of Tally……. About frig-in time!!!!!
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Please don't compare Jenkins with Brown
Jenkins may be dumb and high, but he’s no rapist.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Agreed, though not sure if he meant it that way
I read it as neither of them are returning, which increases our chances of winning (however slightly). Nothing more
the comparison....
is that florida and miami raved the past decade about how criminal we are….. i guess its the Hippocrates in the fan pan now?
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Well, let's not pretend our team is comprised of angels
We’re going to have our troubles. It’s inevitable. But hopefully we won’t lead the nation in arrests and hopefully we don’t have any rapists currently on the roster.
>>---l>
but it was....
from gainesville and coral gables that the news spread of FSU’s mishaps before they even got on the Tallahassee news… karma…
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Glass houses…
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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hey bud.... besides UM...
what I meant to say is…. besides the U what other teams in your opinion have dumpster fire classes that will show on the feild this coming year?
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Because I do not follow other teams as closely as I follow the three main rivals (UF, Miami, Clemson), I do not feel I am qualified to comment. I will say that the 2009 Clemson class is not particularly good, but it is only 12 strong. http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/commitments/2009/clemson-1
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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i will research and let you in...
I fear no man, for the lord is my Shepard, and his will is my striking staff.
Tajh Boyd – Starter / Could be good
Quandon Christian – Starter / Very good
Malliciah Goodman – Starter / Very good
Corico Hawkins – Starter / Average MLB
J.K. Jay – Career ending injury
Roderick McDowell – Bust / possible transfer
Bryce McNeal – Not looking good / possible bust
Jonathan Meeks – Starter / Very good
Tyler Shatley – 2 deep / Average DT
Spencer Shuey – Was a reach based on his Shrine Bowl performance / below avg
Darrell Smith – Who?
Brandon Thomas – possible starter / has talent, TBD
My count: 5 starters, 1 possible starter, 1 average player, 2 busts, 2 Atlantic Sun Conf talents, 1 injury (granted he was thought to be a stud).
Holy hell.
How do you only sign 12 guys?
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Ah, makes sense.
Why only take 24 the following year? Will there be a talent void in a year or two?
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Maybe more a "depth" void than talent, as your 2011 class was very good.
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ucla
you can definitely talk about UCLA and their lack of a class this year. With SC on sanctions and the appeal a little down for the Trojans, UCLA should be going after kids!! Rick is on the HOT SEAT and he did nothing, in my opinion, recruiting wise… Being a CA nole i am familiar with the two schools and want to see UCLA take LA from USC and Kiffy….
This.
I have been very disappointed in what Rick Neuheisel is doing. No excuse with the scope of talent in Southern California, with or without USC on probation. Dare I say Karl Dorrell(sp?) a better recruiter than Rick N?
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by pasadenanole22 on May 5, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Budd's being too kind.....
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by Professor Moriarty on May 5, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
Well done
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Yes! Yes!
Now shoot some of the birds and poop on them….then set it on fire.
by Professor Moriarty on May 5, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, you took a picture of a picture you took of birds on a dumpster?
I have so many questions.
by Nole Resurrected on May 5, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to gauge when he signed up today and began posting today
or are you talking about Cane R?
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
oh
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
more importantly, why did he print it out of his printer at home on regular printing paper?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
I'm counting 8 guys off the team.
The list shows Kevin Nelson as dismissed but not crossed off. Am I missing something?
Thanks for the correction.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Do the "suspended" numbers add up now?
I count 16 that are not crossed off and do not have “suspended” in the description. I count 6 with “suspended” in the description (not including Jeffrey Brown). Maybe you are missing a suspended designation or two? It’s also possible that I need to learn to count (had to move to toes to count the eligible ones).
Yes they do. You are correct.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Kevin Nelson is still on team...
Looks like they allowed him back on, however he is supposedly “way” behind the development of other players.
http://hurricanesportsnation.com/kevin-nelson-back-in-the-program/
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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And as Bud stated. Even though they are losing some of the garbage
They are going to have a hard time replacing much better talent. They will make a bowl this year. And I doubt much leeway is given on questionable recruits after the latest rape incident. So they will be limited to the best total good guys out their and fight off FSU and Uf for the few 4 and 5 star players that are very smart. So fact is the talen that replaces what they have lost is not going to be significantly better. And parents to have influence on their kids to a point. And say go to the team that is getting arrested more since the most recent coach took over then the 4 years combined before he did. And the fact they will be playing football for a school that will have a harder admission after recent events after already at a recruiting disadvantage. maybe they should focus on being NCAA chess champions. At this rate they are going to be signing the 8th and 9th best JUCO’s to fill in while FDU will take maybe 2. Brdt defender in Juco and best O man
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spelling and grammer nuke on my last post
If you can’t figure it out. Don’t worry. Any posts after 230 or so are gibberish. But maybe someone got my idea
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
A depressing (but accurate) read
I think of the remaining players from the class that you didn’t already identify as promising/productive, Cllive Walford, James Gaines, and Allen Hurns all have a chance to be very good. Walford is still raw but looked very promising at TE this spring. He has all the physical attributes you need, and although he has not been playing football very long, he seems to really be “putting it all together.”. I look for him to backup Blake Ayles (USC transfer) at TE this fall. Gaines came in as a very unheralded 2 or 3* recruit but has really put in the time and effort to be a decent MLB. He had some big plays in the scrimmages this spring (a pic of Jacory comes to mind), and if he keeps getting bigger could be the answer we need at that position. That said, I think Jordan Futch starts at MLB this fall. Hurns also looks the part, and has developed very nicely. He had a very solid performance at the spring game even though he was playing through injury. He will be asked to make plays next year, but 2011 is when he will really get his chance.
I do think we will struggle in 2012, but am confident that we will make a bowl game. The OL and RB corps will still be solid, and Forcier should be able to step in right away at QB if Morris isn’t the answer. A TE (Walford or maybe Cleveland) will have hopefully developed by then, and Hurns, Streeter and Dorsett are all decent (though admittedly probably not gamebreaking) receivers. I think it’s important to remember that Leonard Hankerson, the ACC’s leading receiver last year, came in as a 3* out of St. Thomas Aquinas. Thus, if any of those aforementioned receivers put in the time/effort Hank did they all have a chance to have very productive (and rewarding) careers here. I am definitely more concerned about the defense. If Forston, Armstrong, and Vernon leave early we could be inreal trouble there. Factor in Spence, Futch, Buchanan, Regis, etc. all graduating and depth will be a problem. Hopefully guys like Vaughn Telemaque and Adewale Ojomo will have grown into leaders by then, and can hold down the fort while younger guys like Chickillo and Grimble develop.
Looking at the 2012 schedule, however, I don’t see any 100 percent guaranteed losses. Certainly, the Seminoles and Irish will field much better teams. However I have to believe that we can compete with the Irish so long as that game isn’t played in frigid temperatures like the Sun Bowl was. There will also be a revenge factor for that embarassing loss, and there are a decent number of Canes alumni in Chicago that will show up to support the team. FSU/Miami is always hard to predict but it certainly helps that we have that game at Sun Life Stadium. Perhaps if we have some young players breakout and have some momentum going into the game we could pull the upset. Again, we will probably lose both of those games, I’m just not 100 percent convinced. However, evenf actoring in those 2 losses, the rest of the schedule isn’t terribly daunting. We get the Hokies and Tar Heels at our place, and unless Bryce Brown really prospers I’m not too worried about Kansas State. I’ll predict we go 9-3 next year and 8-4 in 2012.
you had me, right up until the last bit about thinking you will do well in 2011 and 2012
9-3 in 2011 at this rate? 8-4 in 2012 at all? man, i thought you were being realistic right up until then.
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Ditto. It was like “wow, the reasonable cane fan is back,” and then that prediction.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Welcome back.
This obviously took some time and I agree with a lot of it. I think where we only differ in a few places.
First, I think you’re underrating the importance of depth. Miami will still have some talented, experienced guys in 2012. But the depth at most positions will be abysmal.
Second, I think you’re in serious trouble at receiver. That might be the worst receiving corps in the ACC for 2012.
Third, I think you really underrate the schedule. No game is a 100% loss, but Miami will likely be an underdog of 2 TDs against Notre Dame and FSU. They’ll be smaller underdogs @ K-State to open the year, @ Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, NC State and UNC. Probably a tossup @ BC, @ Duke, @ UVA, USF, and Bethune Cookman.
You see Al Golden going 17-7 in his first two years. I see 14-10.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Depth is key.
It looks like UM is going to have to rely heavily on their OL and rushing attack to be viable in 2012. The problem is, injuries and fatigue will play a huge factor. Injuries to the OL and RB spots. Look at what happened to FSU’s rushing stats this past season.
by Professor Moriarty on May 5, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea 6-6 looks a lot more reasonable with that schedule
It’s easy to forget that Kansas State was #48 in FEI in 2010 (Miami was #22). They did lose 12/24 starters this offseason, but they also have had similar recruiting to Miami over the last 2 years (mostly 3 stars with a couple of four stars thrown in). I agree that Miami could easily be the underdog going into that game.
Fair enough…8-4 is an admittedly optimistic projection. However, I don’t think it is irrational by any means, especially given the natural difficulty in projecting a team’s outlook two years out. (Considering Injuries, attrition, unforseen breakout stars, etc.) I can see us going 6-6 at the very worst, with the losses likely attributed to ND, KSU, UNC, VT, FSU and GT. However, given that we only face two of those opponents on their home field, and those two opponents are likely the weakest of the aformentioned six (KSU, GT), I have to believe we steal 1-2 of them. As for UVA, despite the debacle in Charlottesville this year, London’s recruits will still be young and developing in 2012. I’ll be more worried about them in 2013-2014. N.C. State comes to Miami and has recuited just as poorly as us recently (if not moreso) w/no proven QB. I don’t think USF has an edge in talent over us, nor do I think they can beat us in consecutive trips to Sun Life Stadium. That USF loss this year was one of those instances where everything that could go wrong did, including a banner flying overhead prospectively proclaiming the end of the Shannon era, and the worst J12 pic of his career when we were in position to kick a game-winning FG. BC could be tough, but until they develop any sort of offensive consistency I have to believe we can beat them. Now, if we get sent up to Boston in November on a Thursday night like you guys did this year, we could be in trouble. I am not concerned at all about Duke or Bethune Cookman, as we will still hold a decisive talent edge over those programs.
I am much more confident about this year. There is still a good deal of talent on this team, and the schedule sets up fairly nicely. Ohio State will be missing their coach and numerous key players. We get UNC and VT fairly early while they are breaking in new QBs and the weather is still nice. We also dodge Clemson and get B.C. at home. Without question, facing FSU in Doak at the end of the season is our toughest game. Logic suggests that is a sure-loss, but there isn’t much logical about the FSU-Miami series (see 45-17 when had the more talented team at home last year). Outside of FSU and VT, I just don’t see any games we “should” lose on the 2011 slate.
We work with percentages alot on this site
What do you see each game laying out as? You can see a format for it a few comments below, giving a confidence % to each game and then adding them up.
It would be interesting to see your take on things.
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting...I'll give it a shot for 2011
I came out at 8.35. I haven’t scouted some of these teams as much as I’d like, but this was just off the top of my head….
Sept. 5 at Maryland 70%
Sept. 10 Open
Sept. 17 Ohio State 60%
Sept. 24 Kansas State 80%
Oct. 1 Bethune-Cookman 95%
Oct. 8 at Virginia Tech 40%
Oct. 15 at North Carolina 65%
Oct. 22 Georgia Tech 75%
Oct. 27 Virginia 80%
Nov. 5 Duke 95%
Nov. 12 at Florida State 35%
Nov. 19 at South Florida 70%
Nov. 26 Boston College 70%
See? It's that easy
Now we can point out all your flaws in logic :-)
But seriously, I could see that happening, however I may lower @VT and @UNC in back-to-back games, but to each his own.
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I would give yourself more credit against Bethune. That’s not a great D1-AA team by any stretch and those games are rarely lost.
We are really really close on 2011 (I have 7.7).
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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im sticking to my guns
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Being so close on 2011, I am curious as to your 2012. Here is mine:
0.45 at Kansas State
0.45 NC State
0.80 at Duke
0.25 at Notre Dame
0.99 Bethune Cookman
0.30 FSU
0.40 at BC
0.40 UNC
0.38 V Tech
0.40 at GT
0.65 at UVA
0.6 USF
6.073
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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This is obviously very speculative, but I'll give it a shot...
0.60 at Kansas State
0.65 NC State
0.95 at Duke
0.40 at Notre Dame
0.99 Bethune Cookman
0.30 FSU
0.55 at BC
0.60 UNC
0.40 V Tech
0.55 at GT
0.65 at UVA
0.75 USF
6.073
7.39…you got me again Bud lol. I feel much more confident about the first two games than you. I also am evidently not as high on the Tar Heels as you are. Then again, I also don’t know a whole lot about what’s going on in the ACC outside of Coral Gables and Tally.
Interesting that the difference in our predictions increases by about 150% compared to 2011. You’re right, very speculative.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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for 2011 I end up with 7.14
Sept 5 at Maryland .4 %
Sept 17 Ohio State .45%
Sept 24 Kansas State .55
Oct 1 Bethune-Cookman .99%
Oct 8 at Va Tech .35%
Oct 15 at UNC .60%
Oct 22 Georgia Tech .70%
Oct 27 Virginia .85%
Nov 5 Duke .95%
Nov 12 at FSU .20%
Nov 19 at USF .50%
Nov 26 BC .60%
by Noleforever9399 on May 5, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe not....
Sept. 5 at Maryland L
Sept. 10 Open lol a victory in it’s self
Sept. 17 Ohio State L
Sept. 24 Kansas State W
Oct. 1 Bethune-Cookman W
Oct. 8 at Virginia Tech L
Oct. 15 at North Carolina L
Oct. 22 Georgia Tech W
Oct. 27 Virginia L
Nov. 5 Duke W
Nov. 12 at Florida State L
Nov. 19 at South Florida W
Nov. 26 Boston College L
That looks like a 5-7 to me……
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educate me sir...
how we do it…
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http://www.tomahawknation.com/2009/5/19/879468/does-florida-state-have-the
Each percentage is basically used as a probability, and then we add them to get an expected win total.
For example:
Sept. 5 at Maryland 55%
Sept. 10 Open
Sept. 17 Ohio State 35%
Sept. 24 Kansas State 60%
Oct. 1 Bethune-Cookman 95%
Oct. 8 at Virginia Tech 45%
Oct. 15 at North Carolina 50%
Oct. 22 Georgia Tech 70%
Oct. 27 Virginia 60%
Nov. 5 Duke 80%
Nov. 12 at Florida State 40%
Nov. 19 at South Florida 70%
Nov. 26 Boston College 55%
adds to 7.15 I think. Did it in my head.
adds to
>>---l>
They could beat Maryland, KState, Virginia, USF, and BC. But those will all be dogfights.
I’m thinking:
Sept. 5 at Maryland 50%
Sept. 10 Open lol a victory in it’s self
Sept. 17 Ohio State 38%
Sept. 24 Kansas State 55%
Oct. 1 Bethune-Cookman 95%
Oct. 8 at Virginia Tech 30%
Oct. 15 at North Carolina 35%
Oct. 22 Georgia Tech 55%
Oct. 27 Virginia 50%
Nov. 5 Duke 70%
Nov. 12 at Florida State 25%
Nov. 19 at South Florida 50%
Nov. 26 Boston College 50%
Leading up to 6.03 wins. I admit I may be discounting them vs. BC and UVA but, I just don’t know about these guys…
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they are considerably higher for this year.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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i will consider myself educated
thanks gentlemen
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You can copy my format
What are your thoughts?
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
0.48 at MD
BYE
0.58 OSU
0.85 KSTu
1.00 BethC
0.30 at VT
0.33 at UNC
0.75 GT
0.90 UVA
0.98 Duke
0.25 at FSU
0.60 at USF
0.78 BC
7.8
4.8
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Wow
Hard to see them as that much better than UVA this year, and I admit I am on the fence about OSU…
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
you think they will still have major QB issues in week 9?
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
In a word, yes
I’m not impressed with any aspect of that football team. QB position especially. That position is absolutely desolate for them.
>>---l>
fair enough
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I see UVA as severely struggling until they solve the QB crisis, but they will work into it and finish the season better than when they began IMO.
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you underestimate K State
they might blueshirt a half a class of JUCOs to fill out the gaps…wink
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I think most people overestimate K State.
The only good team I remember them beating was Oklahoma when Sproles was there.
by Nole Resurrected on May 5, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No love for Josh Freeman?
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
it was a shot at their penchant for signing JUCOs
but they were significantly better than expected last year (this site projected them at 2-10, they finished 7-5). i still think they are around a .500 team, and i dont think Miami is 85/15 better than them. i still give Miami about 65%, but i dont know who is going to take the field for Miami when that game finally arrives. if they have a decent enough starting lineup, that number is subject to change.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
you have to look it up to get the full effect
but essentially, it allows you to have a player walk-on, then give them a scholarship a few days later. that allows you to skirt the rules of how many players you can sign. its like grayshirting (you count them to next year’s numbers) but you get them on your team immediately. initially done with JUCOs, but i imagine it could be done with anyone
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Sumbeech, that's a real thing?
I’ll have to look this up tomorrow.
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ok heres my take....
I’m thinking:
Sept. 5 at Maryland 50% L AT MARYLAND
Sept. 10 Open lol a victory in it’s self
Sept. 17 Ohio State 38% L
Sept. 24 Kansas State 55% W
Oct. 1 Bethune-Cookman 95% W
Oct. 8 at Virginia Tech 30% L AT VT NIGHT TIME?
Oct. 15 at North Carolina 35% L AT NC
Oct. 22 Georgia Tech 55% W
Oct. 27 Virginia 50% L I think they will be better near the end
Nov. 5 Duke 70% W
Nov. 12 at Florida State 25% L
Nov. 19 at South Florida 50% W IF THE WEATHER IS NICE
Nov. 26 Boston College 50% L historical better end of season
Leading TO A 5 AND 7 SEASON
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You add them up to get the record. You got 6.03, which is 6-6.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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THE SOUTH FLORIDA GAME IS THE FLIP
THEY PROVED THEY CAN PLAY ANYONE ANYWHERE… rain or cold…. sunny day um win… IMO
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I mean you add the percentages into a number.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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giving a 55% chance and then calling it a definite WIN defeats the purpose
you get 6.03 wins
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It's okay though
it’s awkward at first but once you start using percentages it seems to take alot more into account than just saying “5 wins”
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
I looked into that a few months ago. Not for me.
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh. I love them.
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i understand the process...
but im am looking at the other teams as well. if I am wrong so be it.
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can you clarify
what you mean when you say you are looking at the other teams as well?
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
south florida...
has something to prove…. either maintain or go up… they recruit the same players… drink the same water… and when they flush there toilets it goes to coral gables…. Just kidding..
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ok
so you were just saying if the weather is good, 50%
Got it.
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
if......
no actual (hurricane) and al golden hasn’t slapped the AD by then.
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We haven't had a significant hurricane make landfall on the US since Katrina
don’t let me haarp on that conspiracy theory. :)
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
dont wish it on anyone… let them play ball
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Don't jinx us
that year when we got hit by 3 hurricanes in 6 weeks in the broward/palm beach area. Rita, Jeane, and forget the other flooded my house and I am on second story. Porch drain got clogged and flooded my house. Lost all my saved tickets from my time at FSU. Including the national championship game. And even worse my autographs from Pantera ad Anthrax who I got backstage for were destroyed. Don’t jinx us with a hurricane. Bad memories of my memories from FSU being destroyed from water damage /verysadface
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Don't worry
NASA’s got us taken care of lol
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by freshcollegeboy on May 6, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
how is Middle East outreach going to help the weather?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Step A: Outreach to Middle East
Step 2: Silently correct the Y2K bug that caused a full decade of temperature figures to go through the roof.
Step D: Voila! World fixed!
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is that similar to this?
phase 1: Middle East outreach by rocket scientists and physicists
phase 2: ?
phase 3: profit
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
3rd hurricane=Frances
Sorry to hear about your stuff. That truly sucks.
Never forget that storm. The eye went right over my parents’ house. I got home from an evening shift that day and called to check in on them.
Conversation snippet:
Them: “We’re fine here. It’s nice and calm. I think it’s over.”
Me: “I’m looking at the radar-it’s not over. Stay where you are, the eye is directly over you!”
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Yea, thats the one
Where are your parents. cause thats pretty much how it happened. I lived in Coral Springs at the time about 15 minutes south of the Broward/{alm Beach line
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Fam still lives in Stuart
Sewall’s Point, where the eye came ashore, is less than 3 miles from my parents’ house.
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you dont include W or L
just percentage of likelihood to win. add the percentages to get the final number of wins. if i am 75% likely to win my first game, and 30% to win the second, my final number is 1.05 out of 2, so 1-1. thats pretty easy to figure out, right?
lets make those numbers a little different: 55% and 45%. that still gives you 1-1, but neither game makes you comfortable. you are still as likely to go 2-0 as you are 0-2, all things being equal. in the previous situation, it seems like you are infinitely more likely to go 2-0 because its hard to imagine losing the 75% game, but you might think you can pull off an upset. if you flip the script, the other 2 teams are just as likely to win the 70% and steal the 35%, so the odds are actually closer to even. you have approximately the same odds in both situations.
in short, you cant take into account whether you would call a game a win or loss, because you are inserting intangibles into the equation.
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Canes will never be the same...S. Henderson is going to transfer to MN
I think everyone is underestimating the game against “Open” on Sep 10.
I'm sorry....but intercepting Jacory Harris--in practice or otherwise--does NOT constitute a "big play".
I’m pretty sure the AMC ticket lady intercepted some popcorn he intended to land in his mouth….
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by DRusso97 on May 5, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't.
I think it’s important to remember that Leonard Hankerson, the ACC’s leading receiver last year, came in as a 3* out of St. Thomas Aquinas.
It’s possible Miami goes 9-3 in 2011, but I don’t think it’s too probable. AT Maryland (on Labor Day with how many guys suspended?), VT, UNC, FSU, USF and home against OSU. Think it’s definitely possible you lose all of those, but going 2-4/3-3 is probably most likely. With the suspensions, defections and schedule, I’d be pretty surprised if Miami went better than 8-4 in 2011. I happen to think 8-4 would be a very good first year for Golden, though.
So if you have all of those away in 2011, they’ll be home in 2012, which should help offset all of the defections you’ll have. Assuming that’s the case, you should probably go 8-4 again. Any impact freshman or juco could change the potential record for 2012, for better or worse, but for now it’s too far off for me to even worry about being precise with.
I’d think if Golden goes 15-9 or 16-8 his first 2 regular seasons, he’s doing a pretty good job. Anything better and he’s doing a great job. Anything worse and he’s doing a poor job.
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I think 14-10 is a good job. If I am a Miami fan, with that 2012 roster, I’d gladly take 8-4 then 6-6
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Do you think the schedule counters any of that?
I know they don’t have much of a home field advantage, but at least it won’t be on the road.
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Trick I don’t understand the question.
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Their big games (FSU, VT, UNC) are all in Miami Gardens and not on the road.
While they don’t have the best homefield advantage, playing at Sun Life is more friendly than playing on the road. Does not having to play these games on the road help to counter some of the roster losses they’ll see after this upcoming season? I would think it’d help some. Not sure how to quantify just how much, though.
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I don’t think so and here is why
I think a team that is as bad as I suspect they will be should want to play its likely losses on the road and its potential wins at home so that they increase the chane of the potential wins.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
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But wouldn't potential losses decrease at home as opposed to on the road?
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I think the chance they win those home games, regardless of location, is very small. But the road games are now taking home gossips and turning them into probable losses.
They aren’t likely to beat FSU, VT, Nc state at home in 2012. All have redshirt senior returning quarterbacks
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I like the "home gossips"
I assume it was supposed to be “home toss-ups,” but auto-correct did you a favor here. Much mo’ better as is.
The dumpster fire reminds me of a certain UM blog’s post after the FSU game last year.
http://www.seventhfloorblog.com/2010/10/11/1744312/miami-fsu-highlights
No thanks, I'd rather not give those ass clowns any hits.
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“The Seventh Floor Blog-We put the UM in scUM”
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Ditto, though they are under new management.
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Checked it out recently, seems the new guy at least seems to give a damn instead of just being a retarded chimp
by Jonathan Loesche on May 5, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be willing to give them a chance once they change their logo.
It’s like they think that whole wearing camouflage fatigues and walking out during the middle of a bowl sponsors mid-week function is something to be proud of, and then building your site around that punk ass incident.
Meanwhile, Penn State’s players were wearing coat and ties, actually using silverware to eat instead of their hands, not spitting on the floor during the function, and acting respectfully instead of like a bunch of thugs.
*NOTE: Eating with their hands and spitting on the floor during the function may or may not be an embellishment by the author added for dramatic effect.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on May 5, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, though when you’re dealing with the toxic level that site was at, I’ll give him credit.
Between changes there and getting a competent guy to run Alligator Army, it seems every other fanbase decided to raise the bar
by Jonathan Loesche on May 5, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, sorry to hear NoleCC decided to close up shop. Enjoyed reading all of youse guys stuff.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
What what!?!
scalpem.com is shutting down?
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Can he recruit?
Seriously though, I always enjoyed scalpem. I hate that it’s shutting down.
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Would like to hear Cane Ressurrection's take on all of this.
He frequents here to fan post the feel good stories about da U, and is about one of the only sensible ones I’ve seen post on any board.
by FSUActuary on May 5, 2011 3:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Like I've told Bud earlier today....
I know we’ll be taking a step back in 2012, but I don’t think its “the worst non probation Mimai team since the 70’s”. As far as recievers go, we’ve got one signed now that I think will be a helluva college reciever, Jontavious Carter. Scout doesn’t have him ranked now, but he will be by next year. This past year was his first year playing football, and he tore it up in Crisp County (about 25 miles from here).
I think if Golden shows some success this year, say 9 wins, he racks up in recruiting. He is already known as a tireless recruiter, plus he’ll have the first year HC thing in his corner, along with the promise of playing time. If we have a solid to great class this cycle, we’ll be set up for 2013. We have enough talent still here in 2012 to make a bowl game (let’s face it, we’re still in the ACC) and then we’ll take the next step back forward in ’13.
That’s my take as a Cane fan. In reality, you have to figure we’ll be somewhere below the optimistic Cane fan and above the predictions of the owner of an FSU blog.
by Nole Resurrected on May 5, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmmmmm....
you have nothing better to do…..
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
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my reply soley on the below quote
(That’s my take as a Cane fan. In reality, you have to figure we’ll be somewhere below the optimistic Cane fan and above the predictions of the owner of an FSU blog.)
I’m a Nole threw and threw, although we may disagree from time to time on here…. bottom line we have a place to share Noledge and must back our folks at all times…
i apologize if any respect issues were ruffled.
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Cane Res. I am with you on Carter. He could definitely be a stud.
I also think we could have some impact freshman like Keith Brown and A.J. Legget contribute early in 2012. I see no reason why Golden can’t bring in a solid class with impact freshmen coming ion as long as don’t “sh*t the bed” this year.
as long as don’t "sh*t the bed" this year.
After the last few years, I’m still cautious about that.
by Nole Resurrected on May 5, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
good point…I just gotta believe w/Randy gone these kids start playing to their talent level; time will tell I suppose.
that sounds like an honest, although optimistic, assesment
i dont disagree about 2012, per se, but i think it looks like a team that struggles to reach 7-5, likely hits 6-6 or 5-7. that schedule is rough.
interesting information on Carter. Michael, have you heard anything about him?
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Carter is a 6'5" 190 lb junior reciever.
He’s got good speed, he’s still a little raw. He’s a basketball player. Has good speed. The sky is the limit for this kid. Plus, he’s actually a good kid.
by Nole Resurrected on May 5, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god, he's a good kid?
keep him away from the thUgs!
i kid. kinda.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Chad Simmons says he is very athletic and extremely raw. As a 2012 signee, he seems to be someone who might impact 2014.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Carter is extremely raw
His size and speed remind me of 2011 prospect JaJuan Story. Measured 6’3" 192lbs this spring and ran a electronic 4.57 40 at that camp. Has some very good tools to work with. Miami was on him before anyone else, they did a good job.
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Great comparison in Story. Carter is taller and lankier, I guess.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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What will the Canes do for an interior defensive line in 2012?
The list of signees on NSD 2011 showed not a single DT. Bud said somewhere that a DE recruit will be moving inside, but that is not going to help if he has to bulk up by next year. Losing the latest three star redshirt DT from an unexciting 2010 class with the loss of DT talent after 2011, should be a big problem.
I view 2011 prospect Jalen Grimble as a DT
He is around 260lbs right now, but has a huge frame. For 2012 it’s going to be hard on Miami since the defensive tackle position is in a down year in the state of Florida. It’s early, but I don’t see them landing a big name DT. I could see them landing Anthony Smith from Texas if they offer. Miami Norland’s Teko Powell could join teammates Duke Johnson and Keith Brown if Miami offers him.
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I'm guessing they hit the Juco's hard.
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If Shalallaalla lets them
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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She allowed it this year
They really wanted Byron Moore a highly rated JUCO safety/corner that ended up signing with Tennessee. How many she allows AG to sign, who knows…
Who else did they target other than this Darius Smith kid and Moore?
I don’t recall any but I’m sure there were some I’m forgetting.
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
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Ah, yes. That huge DT.
I wouldn’t call 3 in one cycle hitting it “hard”, but maybe I’m too conservative in my old age.
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Not sure they would let in Moore or Jenkins.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
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every time i see her name
i have to treat it like a Christmas carol, because they are both entirely idealistic.
you can’t sign thUgs with your leader, Shalalalala, lala la la.
no arrests, but no wins either, Shalalalala, lala la la.
wins are nice, but grades are greater, Shalala, lalala, la la la
don’t agree? then you’re a hater, Shalalalala, lala la la.
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by nole07 on May 5, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
very well done
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by freshcollegeboy on May 5, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
More bad news for Miami.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Your timing is impeccable.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
hahahhaa evil laugh
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Definitely not good for them.
He would of provided some depth this year at a thin position. 2012 they are really going to be hurting at LB with the losses of Spence and Ramon B. Plus besides Brown, I don’t really think they have a lot of options in the 2012 class for elite LBs. Definitely won’t be pulling a Clumson 2011 LB class.
Damn, this has been a tumultuous offseason for the Canes.
I wonder if Golden is having 2nd thoughts about this job?
by fsunole23 on May 5, 2011 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When it rains it pours
For what it’s worth, his primary motivation for transferring is said to be how he was implicated in the marijuana incident with some of the other suspended players. (He claims he wasn’t blazing.) He also has apparently been venting about the new regime’s disciplinary policies on facebook, so some Canes fans saw this coming.
Okay, I'm at work.
The site you linked is blocked. What’s happened now?
by Nole Resurrected on May 6, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Travis Williams transferred. He is angry that he was accused of drug use when Payne and Storm got caught smoking.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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If anyone was actually curious
The arrest report is online now. http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/903/1092722.pdf
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Thanks! And I agree
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with all the talk of the down fall of Miami
what needs to be done to make them better, different AD, different coach, or something else, or all of the above?
Switching to Powder Puff footballl
Their cheerleaders can’t be worse. And may have a bigger squad at this rate
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A lot of the things will trace back to money
Miami is lacking in facilities compared to other teams that recruit the area, but don’t have the money and/or land to solve that. All signs also point to them not being able to pay for a top flight coaching staff. If they could afford to upgrade facilities, and hire a top staff then they would stand a chance at locking down South Florida. But that stuff isn’t going to happen. What they would have to hope for is that Golden comes up aces on the trail despite the disadvantages, develops the talent so they can win big and then doesn’t jump ship when someone throws 3 mil a year at him.
by osceolafan2.0 on May 6, 2011 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Bingo. Give this man a pulitzer.
Sad to say, sadder to see. Boy I miss the days when both teams were on top.
Some like it hot.
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'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I don't. Ive been an FSU fan for 22 years and I RELISH every ass-whooping put on UM.
Boy I miss the days when both teams were on top.
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Ditto
I could never be sad about scUM potentially going in the toilet.
by westcoastnolefan on May 7, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. Throwing money at the problem really would fix the problem as money is the problem.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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UCF will pass them in my lifetime.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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UCF is already on the NCAA Enforcement radar in basketball......
and the football program has been inconsistent at best. They may pass UM, but USF will do so by 2013.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on May 6, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
USF? Not a chance. No way.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Really have to keep things in perspective here
Even though we are talking about Miami not being able to reach the level they want to be, they are still head and shoulders above USF right now. As bad as the 2010 class was it was still rated better than USF’s class by every recruiting service. And even if Miami only pulls heavy leans on the trail, those leans are a caliber of player that USF would drool over getting. And winning the BE wouldn’t provide USF much of a bump because the conference is seen as so weak. USF passing UM by 2013 is ridiculous.
by osceolafan2.0 on May 6, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
USF passing UM in 10 years is ridiculous
and not because Miami is good.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
reason's I think that are as one poster stated : money--USF getting more all the time
and between O’Leary, Golden and Holtz as coaches/recruiters, I think Holtz is better. Simply a prediction, based on the ability shown by Holtz to develop good teams from average talent.
People thought a crap school in a crap location of the US would never bust open a BCS team, they termed it “ridiculous” Yet Boise State and Utah have done just that.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on May 6, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Holtz but you have to admit O'Leary has positioned UCF quite well for whenever he retires (65 this fall).
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Maybe. Who knows.
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If Golden doesn't reverse the current trend
By 2020, Miami will be closer to UCF than UF or FSU
by Jonathan Loesche on May 6, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Athletic revenue-wise, Miami is already equidistant to USF/UCF than they are to FSU.
This is slightly rounded, but it goes $75M => $55M => $35M
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I could be wrong..
The ’Canes are stuck with these scrubs for the next four years unless they elect to transfer or go on a crime spree
Since I was a 4 yearr scholarship tennis player (in my past) it was my understanding that scholarships are almost like 1 year at-the-time “contracts”. If you stink it up, your ride is gone. Technically speaking at least. Coaches might “promise” otherwise. Am I right?
that is correct (the 1 year part)
scholarships are year to year, and they can be terminated for cause at any time
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
OK
Than they are not stuck with those players for the next 4 years. Unless, Bud was talking about the fact they have nobody else to suit up?
they are stuck with them because you cant replace them all at once
its going to be hard to replace them with JUCOs and talented freshmen because of the academic restrictions. but you also cant sign 50 guys and have them all be any good, especially at Miami. so you have to use the guys you have for depth and try to replace them with new guys. an average player in his 3rd year is still better than a good true freshman in most cases. that freshman will be better the next year, but it takes time to integrate new players and have them play on instinct, not thinking too much.
long story short, you are stuck with a full class of garbage (especially a giant class of 30), but teams regularly replace a small number of underperformers every year. its about sheer numbers. you have to field 22 guys, plus special teams, and you must have solid backups as well. thats 44, plus a kicker and a punter. so out of a roster of 85 guys, you have to have about 46 guys that can play, and if you rely on too many true freshmen it will be a LONG season.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
They are stuck with the mistake of recruiting them as Nole07 said.
Also, Miami typically does not “cut” players with regularity as most SEC teams do.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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All talk
It’s all about coaching them up and good game planning. Most D-1 schools have enough talent. We’ve seen it yr after yr of teams who have good coaching and schemes achieve greatness. As long as players believe in a system n it puts them in the right spots tons of stud players are not needed.
Welcome back.
I do think Golden can be a good coach, but the timing here is awful. You yourself know how a good coach can be caught up at a school that just isn’t set up to win for a few years.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Miami better get FSU in 2011. Otherwise, make reservations for 2014.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I predicted 2015 at the EARLIEST.
Bump it back even further if Al Golden does not survive past 2013…
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2015 in tally?
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I was being generous.
I honestly believe that we are all witnessing the beginning of an EPIC streak of dominance by FSU over UM. The programs are not operating at the same level anymore….FSU & UF are the varsity guys, and Miami plays with the J.V. team.
Short of Sha-la-la-la-la-la…..la-la-la-laaaaaa leaving or COMPLETING changing her ways, I think it will be ownage for a decade or more. Probably 9-1 in a 10-year span. Imagine the streak starting in 2008 if Fortson catches that pass.
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Me thinks...
You might be 22 at the max.
by ainsworthboyle on May 11, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Last few champions came from the most talented teams, not teams with good enough schemes
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I have a bet with a cane fan
If Miami goes 9-3 or better in 2012 (lol) I have to buy a bunch of canes stuff and wear it for a week as well as post facebook pics. If they go 8-4 or worse he’s gotta do the same with fsu. I am supremely confident that he just took a sucker bet. Thoughts?
Correction
8-4 is a wash. If they go 7-5 or worse he loses. Unless golden pulls a miracle out of his ass I think my friend doesn’t have a prayer.
Excellent bet.
'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I had to stop lurkin' just to point out...
To the average Cane fan, that’s just stocking their closet with gear they’d be wearing next year anyway. In the dictionary under “fair weather fan” there’s a picture of a Miami resident in front of his closet full of jerseys from across the country.
by BucNNoleFan on May 12, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Please !
Jonathan Feliciano will never transfer ! Get your facts straight before talking . His heart and soul is in Miami U ..
by Alicia Gargiulo-Feliciano on May 9, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry about that, got them mixed up.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on May 10, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU Is The Also Ran...
The also ran for top college football team fielded. So often you guys try to throw in the 93 team with Nebraska 95 or Miami 01.
The also ran for anything else Miami has produced.
Let’s try and call out Miami 3 years before the 2010 recruit class is expected to produce results.
How about we point out that FSU still has just two National Championships, the last coming in 1999, and a pitiful appearance in 2000 that should’ve been for Miami.
by ainsworthboyle on May 10, 2011 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
Blah blah blah?
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it will be hard to produce when they cant manage to stay on the team
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
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