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Will The Receivers Step Up For Florida State?

Last season Florida State's receivers were decidedly the most disappointing position unit on the team.  Just ask FSU linebacker coach Greg Hudson, who recently said this:

"We didn't have great wide receivers. We had good, not great. He had to make things happen. His passing percentage was down because kids couldn't run routes right." -

Star Tribune

It's not a stretch to say that FSU's receivers haven't scared anyone in a while.  Why has it been that way?  Talent? Coaching? Experience?  

As is usually the case, it is a combination of all three.  FSU didn't exactly recruit receivers all that well between 2006-2009.  Why mention 2006-2009?  That is the group from which FSU's receivers over the last few years came.  But there was some talent recruited.  

But two of the most talented receivers to come through Tallahassee in the last few years were Preston Parker and Jarmon Fortson. They were the best receivers coming back in 2009 and 2010, respectively, but neither would play a snap in those years as behavior problems saw them kicked off the team before the season.  That pressed players into a larger role.

Sometimes, as was the case with seniors Rod Owens and Richard Goodman in 2009, players were ready to step in and fill the void left by the talented screwup.  Other times, however, FSU wasn't so lucky.  Rodney Smith and Willie Haulstead were not ready to play at a high level last season-- at least not early on.  Lesser-talented small guys like Bert Reed and Taiwan Easterling were then asked to do things that their skill set did not support.

But should FSU have expected Smith and Haulstead to be ready?  Or should Bert Reed and Taiwan Easterling have been able to be the top receivers?  

The results here are likely mixed.  While talented, Smith is a very lanky kid who is still growing into and learning how to use his body.  Further, he came from a small private school and really only ran two routes: a quick out/stop, and a go.  While he's an exciting blank canvas for Lawrence Dawsey to develop, it was probably unrealistic to expect him to be a number one in just his second year in the program.  Haulstead, on the other hand, did more in high school, and is older with better body acclimation.  Dawsey should take some blame for not having Haulstead ready to be the number one from the first game.  While Haulstead doesn't have elite talent, he should be good enough to be a decent number one for a BCS team.  As for Reed and Easterling, they are nice complementary pieces.  

Is Dawsey a good teacher of receivers?  

On the one hand, he did develop Richard Goodman and Rod Owens nicely.  And Jarmon Fortson showed improvement between year one and year two.  Preston Parker definitely played quite well under Dawsey.  And it's not Dawsey's fault that those two can't stay out of trouble.  

On the other hand, Taiwan Easterling and Bert Reed haven't exactly improved much over the years.  Is that because of a limited skillset?  Perhaps in part, but Reed should definitely be more consistent, both in catching the football and in running routes.

While Dawsey may or may not be a good coach of receivers, there is no debate as to his ability to recruit.  He has been the driving force in re-establishing the Seminoles in Tampa (formerly a UF stronghold).  A young, charismatic, African-American coach who starred both in Tallahassee and the NFL, Dawsey gets it done on the recruiting trail.  

And if there is a deficiency in his coaching ability, his recruiting can definitely help to cover it.  FSU is getting more and more talented at the position each year.  And with that comes increased competition.  Over the last few years, if a talented player slacked off, there wasn't much recourse for coach Dawsey.  Sure, he could bench the player and insert a less talented, but harder-working player in the lineup.  But that punishes the whole team and not just the slacker.  Now, however, if a player slacks off there should be enough talent to sit him down and insert another talented player who is willing to work hard.  Dawsey might not be the best coaching receiver coach in the ACC, but he does compensate in other ways.

In addition, there is something to be said for the type of receiver FSU is now bringing in.  In the earlier years, FSU was losing six games per year and having to take major chances on kids in order to get athleticism back into the program.  Some of those kids, were quite frankly, pretty dumb and difficult to coach.  FSU now seems to be bringing in more kids who are both athletic and coachable.

Finding the right combination of recruiting and teaching is the key.  Some guys are going to be better at recruiting, while some will be better at coaching.  And that style can work, both as a position coach and even as a head coach, as Bobby Bowden proved.

This is an Important year for coach Dawsey.  He has all the tools in place to produce an excellent receiver corps.  Breaking in new starter EJ Manuel will depend on it.  If he does not, it will be cause to revisit the issue next summer.

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May wanna shoot the Star Tribune guy am email...

And inform him that Greg Hudson is not the DC for FSU at this point and time.

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by CornNole on May 9, 2011 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

dont forget corey surrency

talk about squandered talent…

SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...

by 939909 on May 9, 2011 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Courtesy of the NCAA, not FSU

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on May 9, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aye

One thing I think that we haven’t had is a great blocking receiver(s). Preston Parker and Surrency really thrived in those roles imo.

by StM on May 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fortson did also, IMO,

before he fouled up one too many times. It was a tackle not a block, but I love that clip of him blowing up an opposing DB who made the mistake of running back an INT. I agree with 93909. Squandered talent is the right term.

by Nole75 on May 11, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

He only had a year and they thought he would get two. Corey did a lot for us even without being a great wideout. Really opened up the run game.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You think Surrency had NFL tools?

Just wondering…

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by CornNole on May 9, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably. But not with one year.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was Corey really talent squandered?

FSU had no choice in him not getting the final year of eligibility. Plus, I always looked at him as a bonus to our WR corp. Never thought of him as someone we recruited heavily and/or had high expectations of…..just looked at him as icing, though there wasnt much cake.

I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!

by Dcubbienole on May 9, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

if 6'5 220 with big hands

failing to make the league because of eligability issues, unrelated to health, isn’t squandered talent then I dont know what is?

maybe fsu did not squander his talent, but between his bad decisions, poor guidance and the NCAA he is absolutely my definition of SQUANDERED TALENT!

BOOOM!

SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...

by 939909 on May 10, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately there are more of those that dont make it to the league than do...

just because you have the size and glimpses of talent doesnt mean you SHOULD be playing on Sundays.

FSU did not squander his talent, no maybe, definitely not their fault. While it ended up being a “bad decision” decision to play in whatever league he played in that cost him his last year of eligibility, would he have even made it to FSU without playing in said league? Dont think so.

Goes the dynamite?

I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!

by Dcubbienole on May 10, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

loved him

but he cannot play if ineligible…
so, we can still chalk it up as bad breaks at the WR position?

Thanks for the entertainment as usual Bud…

SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...

by 939909 on May 9, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

crap

meant to hit reply

SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...

by 939909 on May 9, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's the word on Christian Green?

Wasn’t he the most athletic guy in that recruiting class. I know he was a “QB” in high school, then got hurt, took a RS, but is he coming along or what?

With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.

by Chief03 on May 9, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Busted shoulder in August camp, missed the whole season rehabbing. Think of him as a true freshman this year.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did get a medical redshirt correct??

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on May 9, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good thought so....

And judging from the spring game , he looks to be one of the most physically gifted WR we have. What I mean is he passes the eye test. (I know TSG all of it.)

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on May 9, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be technical, he used his redshirt year - not medical redshirt

You have 5 years to play 4. If you’re injured or just don’t play in any contests, you take your redshirt for that year. If you are injured after using your redshirt year, you may apply for a medical hardship (aka medical redshirt). He is a RS freshman this year.

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by ricobert1 on May 9, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

Understand…just want to be sure he still has all 4 years left.

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

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by YouNoleIt on May 9, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, sir.

I’m just guaranteeing maximum nerd at every available opportunity.

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by ricobert1 on May 9, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I guess we’ll see. I am not expecting much this year.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me neither...

My hopes are that we se him more than Shaw/Dent last year, but I dont think we will.

My guess is youll be answering questions about Green for a lithe while longer…

PS: Nice recommendation on the EVO. I’m digging this processor speed and this swype input. Incredible

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by CornNole on May 9, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually ditched swype because i didn’t program it correctly. Might re-download.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im guersing you do a ton if stuff on your phone

It saves me a ton of time…

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by CornNole on May 9, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im still looking for big things from Shaw too....

Maybe i just heard so many great things being that I live in the Orlando area. I know he is more of the Bert or Taiwan mold, but by all local accounts he is a highly talented route runner and rarely drops a ball. Hopefully he wont be asked to do the things Bert and Tai were asked to do. I am excited to see him get some real PT soon.

I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!

by Dcubbienole on May 9, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Shaw is the one I'm wondering about

With all the guys unable to run their routes correctly, how does the guy who supposedly walked onto campus as the best route runner not see more action.

I thought he was supposed to be one of the more college-ready receivers in the class. I’m a little disappointed he didn’t have more impact with our receiving corp under-performing.

On the other hand, I thought Smith and Haulstead started to put it together by the end of the year, so maybe there was a method to the madness, and the coaches realized they just had to take their lumps.

by LouC on May 9, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blocking is really important, as is the ability to get off a jam.

'11: Minimum Goal: 9-3 Regular Season. Given FSU's non-con slate, don't care who the 9 are.
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 8th in offense, 88th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fear for him here

I would press him every chance I got. I’m afraid that he’s going to get “rag dolled,” as in, “tossed around like a…..”

by Sobering on May 10, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Less press in the slot

Maybe he’ll find a home there

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on May 10, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see it as a different aspect of the game to work on

Once Shaw knows what route to run, it sounds like he’s the best. I still think he would have to work to pick up the offense like any other freshman.

From interviews before Spring, it sounded like Willie and Rodney finally understand the offense and would spend the spring working mainly on technique, which I take to mean route running.

by BenDNole on May 9, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taiwan Easterling

Think Dawsey should get a push here also how much time has T.E. had really to develop timing with EJ in the passing game considering all the time he has been concentrating on baseball.

by kiefernole on May 9, 2011 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Speaking of T.E. and baseball

he looked very healthy the other day on TV. He beat out an infield hit and looked very quick. I don’t know what his 40 time is, but his 30 sure did look good. EJ has August to work with him and to learn how T.E. finds the seam, so I will have another serving of Kool Aid please.

by Nole75 on May 11, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not expecting O’leary to have a bunch of catches this year or yards but he will be a valuable asset to opening up the offense for the other guys this year.

by kiefernole on May 9, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am hoping he can be

Like Brandon Warren as a TF. Hoping being the key word

D-Hop has tiger blood

by camfsu04e on May 9, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know that that drop didn't really affect us, right?

We got nothing, held them, got great field position because of it and then scored a TD. The drop wasn’t a TD, true but because of the field position we were able to score later.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on May 9, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand your point

I just never like giving points away. Plus its my last memory of the guy before the offseason debacle.

by amcconna on May 9, 2011 8:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So...

you want NO’L to quit and go home after his freshman year?

I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!

by Dcubbienole on May 10, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

To enroll at PBCC or FAU?

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by DRusso97 on May 10, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question - Was Dawsey involved in recruiting from 06 to 09?

Just wondering if he was involved in recruiting during this timeframe and if some of our recent WR recruiting success is due to his recruiting capabilities and/or the Jimbo Fisher affect?

I agree that this year will be crucial for him to show his coaching prowess and get our receivers to the next level. I think receivers not running correct routes squarely rests on his shoulders.

by MarchingChiefsRock on May 9, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Dawsey was hired in January of 2007 so his first true recruiting class was 2008.

Personally, I think Dawsey done a pretty good job with what we’ve had.
1. Reed and Easterling are slot guys that had to play outside due to poor recruiting in 2005-2007. If Reed was a pure slot receiver, I think he would be a pretty good player for us. It had to hurt his development that he keeps on getting put outside. You can’t expect a 170 pd WR to play flanker in our offense.
2. Haulstead really came on late in the season and as a sophomore showed the ability to be a 2nd or 3rd Team all-league receiver.
3.Smith’s play showed all sorts of flashes as the year went on. I don’t think anyone doubt his ability to develop to an all-league guy.
4. Jimbo offense is tough for a young WR to master, due to the number of reads required. If we ran a spread WRs can contribute almost immediately but in our system, the WR has to read the coverage to run the right route.

FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon

by CJNole on May 9, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your #4

Shouldn’t that complement the argument about Jimbo’s offense preparing QBs for the league better than spread offenses? In other words, our WRs should eventually be more NFL ready than those from many other systems, right?

by Invictus13 on May 9, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coach speak

I totally agree on development of WR in Jimbo’s offense. It frustrated me to see Willie, Rodney, Bert and Tai each get benched during early season games last year (Wake, BYU, UVA) but I knew it was bc of blocks.

However, when asked about this years’ corps at the Jax Seminole Club last month CJF said its entirely possible for FR wideouts to be great (see M. Clayton and Bowe). I know he named big bodied NFLers but wasn’t sure whether its coach speak to boosters or he really thinks young WR can excel given need to block AND develop route trees.

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on May 10, 2011 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The key for the offense next year maybe Smith ablility to take the next step.

If Smith can become a true deep threat, it force teams to keep safeties out of the box opening up the running game. Smith’s size and speed make him a very difficult cover deep.

FSU football is the new case study for the outliers phenomon

by CJNole on May 9, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Really good catch, firezone…hopefully our coaches can take advantage of the inexperience.

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by CornNole on May 9, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't forget OU cornerback Fleming

Who didn’t practice with the team this spring, and wasn’t enrolled in class. He led the team in interceptions last year… any news on whether he’ll be with the team in September.

by BenDNole on May 9, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably just me,

but it’s pretty crappy Hudson’s talking about our WR’s like that.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 9, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I know what he was doing and still think it's crap.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 9, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I agree

Jimbo has called them out publicly on several occasions. The route running isn’t anything they haven’t heard before, both in practice and in the press. Besides, he said they were “good” (just not great). :)

by Invictus13 on May 9, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with what he said.

I would have said nothing (LB coach, not WR or even offense) or said it differently….mention the inexperience. Still true and not even sugar coated, IMO.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 9, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It probably wasn't Hudson's intent, but it was actually more of a knock on Dawsey.

I agree that he probably should have bitten his tongue. But Ponder always took the blame upon himself, so I’m kind of glad that Hudson’s still sticking up for him even though he’s moved on.

by Nole33 on May 9, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

could have been a motivational ploy

you definitely don’t say something like that during the season or in fall camp, but if you’re gonna say it, now is the time. also came from a D coach and you’d want it to come from that side of the ball for motivational purposes ie. “we face these guys every day in practice and they really need to step it up”.

by sperrett1 on May 9, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think Jimbo goes a little overboard

with defending his QB and throwing other guys to the wolves. Do you really think Ponder never made a mistake? According to JF, he didn’t.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 9, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

And doesn't need to be defended by a college LB coach.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 9, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Funniest thing I've heard all day, Adam.

Rec’d.

I think *everyone* wants Maximus Awesomus as their team's QB.

-A guy who’s kind to kids, but doesn’t cut their genitals on field trips.
-You’d let him date your daughter just so you could see him in person.
-I think we all want this guy

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on May 9, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I understand...

That’s very much Hudsons personality…talks alot, and doesnt always think before he speaks.

Im suprised the comments were expletive free, to be honest.

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by CornNole on May 9, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine would not have been...
Im suprised the comments were expletive free, to be honest.

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by DRusso97 on May 10, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get sick of coaches' BS talking politically correct (lying) instead of telling it like it is

He really didn’t throw anyone in particular under the bus – and I apprceiated the candor

truth is a complete defense to slander

by 93noleman on May 9, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not alone

I didn’t like that either — pretty surprised to read it given Jimbo’s tight leash.

Having said that, I think what he said was true and I agree with the premise of Bud’s piece. I do think our WRs’ blocking has improved.

by Fsued on May 9, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thick skin..

And he may have used it to motivate the guys. Im all for an honest assessment from the coaches. I think we all had to live through 10 years of the “were just one player away” BS.

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by NOLEcasterWX on May 9, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hell, maybe Jimbo told him to do it

Little extra motivation for the next year I guess.

by seminoles44 on May 9, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Goodman and Owens were the 05 class and so was Rouse

having Rouse as a Senior in 09 wouldn’t have hurt if he had his head on straight

by 93noleman on May 9, 2011 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

rouse would not have been a senior in 2009. that would have been 2008

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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Bud, go back to Along the Olentangy

You have a new friend on the Dane Sanzenbacher thread

by FSUNole51 on May 9, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't even bother

The same guy firmly believes that ESPN has an anti-tOSU and pro-SEC bias because Jason Whitlock said it. I’ll call him a blind homer, but I don’t think that does his idiocy justice. Someone who only insults those who disagree with them is a troll, nothing more, and trolls aren’t worth feeding.

by paperjames on May 9, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty excited to see the new corp

And seeing them all together, with EJ. The spring game was nice but it didn’t really show much as the teams were all split up.

by FSUNole51 on May 9, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Our team will go

as far as this WR group allows them to go. It would be nice for once to have a WR that other teams fear, and have to plan for. Can you imagine how potent our running game will be if that happens?

by I275Nole on May 9, 2011 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I would say

this team will go as far as our OLine allows them to go.

by FSU on May 10, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard that none of Ponder's WRs were drafted in the NFL

Goodman got a contract with the Chargers as an undrafted free agent. I doubt Reed, Easterling or Smith get drafted; Haulstead may have a chance. The underclassmen are too young to tell. Benjamin might have the most potential to be the best WR at FSU in a long time.

And many WRs in the ridiculous 2012 crop project to be better than Benjamin: Agholor, Diggs, Black.

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by TLHWG on May 9, 2011 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Why not Smith?

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by FSUvaFan on May 9, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

mental side: work ethic, etc.

seems to take plays off, although he definitely has the measurables for the NFL.

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by TLHWG on May 9, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He can still turn his work ethic around.

The door is closing though.

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by FSUvaFan on May 9, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is the work ethic talk on Smith coming from?

I’ve never heard of it personally. Biggest thing with Smith is his lack of confidence. He’s one of those kids that gets too down on himself when he makes mistakes, doesn’t have a short enough memory.

by truenole87 on May 10, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year Smith showed up in some games and

disappeared in others, but this could be because of his inexperience.

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by TLHWG on May 10, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

It came from some coaches who post here who were able to watch practice during the few days of the coaching clinic.

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by Bud Elliott on May 10, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smith will play in the league

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by Bud Elliott on May 9, 2011 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith will get an NFL shot for sure

6-6 guys with his speed are rare. Willie is more dependable for FSU purposes but doesn’t have the most unique skillset at the NFL level.

by westcoastnolefan on May 10, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so

Why was Jimbo so down on him after his spring performance? Watching the replay it looks like EJ really likes him.

by Shooter McFrattin on May 10, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

GREG DENT

Coaches use all sorts of things to motivate. Greg Dent showed in the spring game an ability to get open and to catch the ball (7)? However, you could see potential to do much more and that is IMO, what Coach wants him to achieve.

by rspknole1 on May 10, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

he was down on him for the same reason i was

he slacked on some routes and dropped some balls he should have caught. made good plays, yes, but made quite a few bad ones too.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on May 10, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

He wasn’t down on him as much as he was correcting reporters who were slobbering all over what Dent did well while ignoring the bad.

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by Bud Elliott on May 10, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's why Jimbo was down on him

If Dent is going to be a main target he’s gonna have to be more consistent and so I’d assume Jimbo is holding him to a higher standard than we can understand. He probably made a couple mistakes on routes and little details like that lead to interceptions and incompletions.

by truenole87 on May 10, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree about Dent.

I believe he will be a very good player for us. It might not be this year, but I see him being a major contributor for us before he leaves.

by fsunole23 on May 10, 2011 6:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"FSU now seems to be bringing in more kids who are both athletic and coachable"

When reading that, I immediately thought of Rashad Greene. (Or is it Rashad?)

The Aquinas coach gives him unbelievable praise. I doubt you’ll ever see Rashad making boneheaded route running errors, suspended for skipping class, or tossing chairs in a Student Union ruckus.

by The K-Man on May 10, 2011 2:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yep. Aso, Scooter Haggins seems to get it in only his second year.

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by Bud Elliott on May 10, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on the severity of Scooter Haggins' knee injury?

I feel more like I do now, than I did before

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by HaveNoleOption on May 10, 2011 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

They said six weeks.

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by Bud Elliott on May 10, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kind of a shame the jury is still out on Dawsey's coaching at this point.

“Great recruits can cover coaching weaknesses” is very true, to an extent (see, Jeff Bowden as WR position coach). But that does not maximize the product we put on the field, and is definitely a drawback in a system which requires teaching a complex scheme.

On the other hand, Jimbo has coached with him before, and has given his vote of confidence, so that’s good enough for me. But it remains to be seen whether Dawsey is still on staff only because Jimbo was building the recruiting machine. Now that’s in place, this does indeed seem to be a critical year for Dawsey to prove himself as a teacher.

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by PeachTreeNole on May 10, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

i think he has done well enough

the accomplishments are there, and the errors are understandable. this shouldnt be a hotseat year for Dawsey, imo. the SOs took steps forward during the year, and considering their experience level they should be viewed as RS FR who happened to play special teams. we will have 2 outside WRs that should play well enough, and there are more than enough 2nd year WRs that we should get a good indication of how his coaching is going. sample size is very good this year, since they will all be his players and there are a lot of them at basically the same age (within a year of each other).

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on May 10, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure we're disagreeing

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by PeachTreeNole on May 10, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think he is a better coach than you give him credit for

dont think this is a critical year for him, and we will see big gains by WRs this season to prove that point. not every player improves, but if you can hit on most of them that have the work ethic and talent, you are doing well. i think his best work was Owens from JR to SR, Reed from HS to RSFR to RSSO year (already explained RSJR slump), and Fortson from the day he showed up raw and unfocused until the day he got kicked off for…yeah, not sure what he did, but that cant be a good sign. Haulstead came on late with increased experience, and Smith contributes when he feels like having a good day. dont know if its poor confidence or laziness, but its on him, not his coach. nobody else has that problem, so its not systemic.

basically, i think he has done pretty well, and it would take a poor year from most of the young guys and the 2 JRs to convince me otherwise. marked improvement from the 2010 class and above average play from the 2009 guys is what i would expect from a good coach, and that should take care of Bert’s issues.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on May 10, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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