Predicting The All-ACC Team: Running Back
This is the third in a series on the 2011 All-ACC team. First, we profiled the players returning from the 2010 All-ACC team. Then we discussed quarterbacks. Today, we'll discuss the running backs.
Aside from being really good, how can a running back get on the All-ACC team?
Run for many yards regardless of how many times he touches the ball, score a lot of touchdowns even if he did nothing to get his team to the goal-line, or have notable highlights while playing for a very good team.
Remember, running backs, many of the ACC writers are too lazy to look at your receiving stats. Don't even bother catching the ball.
But do make sure to rack up lots of stats while playing garbage non-conference competition. Because as we know, many ACC writers are too lazy to separate ACC performance from total performance when voting on an ACC award.
There are many capable backs this year and this process was quite tough.
The only returning runner from the 2010 All-ACC team is Boston College's Montel Harris. Let's start there. Harris has made the team the last few years. He's a good back who looks even better than he is because BC had an excellent run-blocking oline in 2007 and 2008, and because the Boston College Eagles run him to death. They will do it again, meaning the only thing separating him from another All-ACC selection is health.
You can pretty much bet that either Lamar Miller and/or Mike James of the Miami Hurricanes will be on this team. Both would be the best back on most ACC teams and the offensive line should be excellent. Perhaps most importantly, however, is the coaching staff's desire to run, run, run in order to take the ball out of QB Jacory Harris' hands and milk the clock to hide a talented, but thin defense. But as is often the case with teams that split carries, will Miller or James get enough touches to wow voters?
David Wilson of the Virginia Tech Hokies gained 619 yards on only 113 carries and 234 yards receiving on only 15 catches. That as as the #2/#3 back. He's the man this year. VT is breaking in a new QB, meaning they will lean on the run game even more. And the schedule is an absolute joke. He could have All-ACC honors locked up before November. The only concern here is health. Can Wilson handle the workload?
The Clemson Tigers have an intriguing case for landing a player on the All-ACC team. Andre Ellington is an elite talent and gained 684 yards on 117 carries for the Tigers, but there are questions here. Can Ellington stay healthy? He missed many games last season. The other question is workload. Clemson's new turbo-speed offense will look to spread the wealth. You'll see many receivers carrying the ball, and backs catching the ball. How many carries will Ellington get? Will ACC writers give him due credit for his receiving?
How about the Florida State Seminoles? FSU should again have one of, if not the best run games in the ACC. But that run game will likely be a product of QB E.J. Manuel, RB Chris Thompson, RB Jermaine Thomas, RB Ty Jones, FB Lonnie Pryor, RB Devonta Freeman and RB James Wilder, Jr. FSU has a lot of good backs and zero proven special backs. They will earn carries and nobody is likely to get enough work to make the all-conference team. Not that FSU fans should care, of course, as long as FSU rolls out another excellent rushing attack. One thing that could help is Fisher's desire to run in the red zone. That means touchdowns.
With each passing year Tom O'Brien's N.C. State Wolfpack resembles the Boston College teams he left just a little bit more. Out with the mobile quarterback and in with the NFL-style 6'6" pocket passer. Out with the athletic offensive line and in with the bigger, less athletic bodies. N.C. State is going to run the ball much more this year thanks to the aforementioned QB situation (which may or may be a downgrade) and the complete overhaul of the receiving corps. Last year N.C. State threw 100 more times than they ran. This year those numbers could flip-flop. The most likely recipient is Mustafa Greene. Greene carried 134 times for 597 yards. The sophomore is a good back. Russel Wilson ran 144 times last season. 120 of those carries will likely go to backs. In all, the Wolfpack gave its backs 314 carries last season. I expect close to 500 this season. Greene could get 225 carries this year. If he does, he could make an All-ACC team behind a bigger line. Unfortunately for Greene, there are other backs on this team that will also steal carries. The schedule is very favorable for lots of running as well.
The Wake Forest Demon Deacons have an excellent back in Josh Harris. The sophomore ran for 720 yards on 125 carries and added 8 catches for 69 yards. Harris is a big talent. The questions are not about him, but rather about Wake as a team. Wake is a bad football team and they so often find themselves down quickly and forced to pass. If Harris is to make the All-ACC team Wake must have more opportunities where running the ball makes sense.
Staying in the Atlantic now where the Maryland Terrapins have a new head coach who is expected to improve upon what was really a flukish good season in College Park. The head coach loves to run, run, run. The offensive coordinator wants to throw. Who will win out? Probably the head coach as Maryland loses more at receiver than anyone in the conference. Davin Meggett rushed for 720 yards on 126 carries last season and he should get more carries this year thanks to the graduation of Da'rel Scott.
The North Carolina Tar Heels could surprise and place a running back on the list. Ryan Houston missed last season due to academics and a redshirt, but he is a capable back. As discussed in the quarterback preview, the offensive line of the heels is quite good. And as a big back, he'll likely grab a lot of touchdowns in the red zone. The question is how much UNC will run (last year they threw the ball a bunch), and whether Houston can get all the carries. Redshirt-freshman Gio Bernard may fit the offense better as he is a better receiver. 200 carries, 900 yards and 12 touchdowns is an All-ACC season if UNC gives Houston the ball often enough.
The option offense of the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets is always interesting to watch. Each year a different player is featured and makes an All-ACC team. First it was Jonathan Dwyer. Then it was Anthony Allen. Both of those players played fullback. This year the star will likely be Orwin Smith, who plays wingback. Last year he gained 513 rushing yards on only 56 carries. An explosive threat, if his carries increase from 56 to 120 and his average stays high (say, 7.5), he could have a 900yd/10 td season. But will he get the carries and stay healthy?
Last year Perry Jones gained 646 yards on 137 carries for the Virginia Cavaliers. Keith Payne and his 160 carries are gone. Perry Jones also gained 224 yards on 31 receptions. If he gets 175 carries and his receptions stay static, he can make the All-ACC team. But how much will teams key on him this season as UVA has lost two of its biggest four weapons and its quarterback?
Duke does not run enough to land a player on the All-ACC team.
Here are my projections:
| Pre-Season | Post-Season | |||
| 1st Team | Montel Harris | David Wilson | David Wilson | Lamar Miller |
| 2nd Team | Lamar Miller | Josh Harris | Montel Harris | Mustafa Greene |
| Hon Mention | Andre Ellington | Chris Thompson | Josh Harris | Andre Ellington |
-The BCInterrpution.com guys are worried about Harris' knee. That's enough for me to drop him to second team.
-David Wilson is the easy slam dunk for the first team, but the other guy was much more difficult.
There are probably 15 backs who can make a legitimate argument that they have a shot to make the team. That made this exercise quite difficult.
What is your pre and post-season All-ACC running back team?
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I thought our OL is a concern
Should I have reason for optimism?
"Awww, come on guys, it's so simple. Maybe you need a refresher course."
It is a concern if guys don’t cone back healthy. I expect Datko and sanders to be back
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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when do you think we will find out for sure about Spurlock?
Even though I know that he is probably done.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 1, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he takes another game snap in his career, I'm afraid
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Look at it this way: more reps for the younger guys who will be starting in 2012.
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Me thinks...
it will be a strength when its all said in done when everyone (Hart, etc). gets here. Even the kids who wont play are a benefit because you’re able to have a normal practice because of depth which get’s overlooked.
by FSU on Jun 1, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
lower workload for starters to fill out practice snaps. Datko doesnt have to take more snaps than necessary, so he can save those shoulders.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Its huge at the line & RB positions where there are constant collisions with blocking. That’s why I’m extremely excited about this offense
by FSU on Jun 2, 2011 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions
In 2010 against FBS opponents with winning records
Montel Harris: 4.94 YPC, 2 TD in 7 games on 101 carries.
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Potentially more deserving candidates?
(In 2010 against FBS opponents with winning records)
Chris Thompson: 6.31 YPC, 4 TDs in 10 games on 111 carries.
Darren Evans: 6.04 YPC, 4 TDs in 7 games on 78 carries.
Lamar Miller: 5.68 YPC, 4 TDs in 7 games on 73 carries.
Ty Jones: 5.28 YPC, 4 TDs in 9 games on 64 carries.
Josh Harris: 5.25 YPC, 3 TDs in 7 games on 80 carries.
Davin Meggett: 6.41 YPC, 2 TDs in 7 games on 64 carries.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Note that none of these players
received 2nd team or even honorable mentions.
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How do you weight workload
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
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True, Harris ends up with 2x as many carries
per game (20.6) than the next closest, Josh Harris (11.4 / G). I guess I’m just not that impressed that he’s one of 2-3 guys in conference who are actually feature backs.
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Harris ran the ball 148 times in 5 games against non-winning competition
4.24 YPC, 5 TDs. I’m just not impressed.
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I think he got 1st team
because he’s the only 20+ carry guy in the ACC.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you
but also BC had little to no passing threat. Teams were in the box always.
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He MAY improve his YPC this year
I say that only because it seems that BC may be more of a threat to pass this year. They get their #1 guy back, they have some talented young receivers (like Shakim Phillips), I think Rettig is a quality QB, and it appears they will be using their TEs for more than just blocking. Teams may get burned a bit by BC thinking they are only Harris. It is possible as well that Kimble and I think Finch (?) may take a few carries from Harris keeping him fresher.
On the other hand, there were some Eagle fans that were a bit worried about their OL this year. We’ll see I guess.
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My post-season projections
1st – David Wilson, Andre Ellington
2nd – Lamar Miller, Ryan Houston
Hon – Montel Harris, Davin Meggett
Too many backs splitting carries/stats for Noles.
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Its gotta be Montel
Hes proven. Then Ellington. What about Lonnie sneaking in? Lotta shotgun 2 backs sets, zone read-options. If we tear it up on the ground and in the win column the FB gotta get some love. ESP if he gets TDs.
I have a hard time seeing Lonnie get in with all the other backs.
It’s a bit of a shame, because I think he could really shine with more carries. He cried when he found out he’d be a FB, I did the same. But, he is incredibly valuable to the team, and I think I, like the rest of you, really appreciate his work rate and sacrifices for the team. Sadly, I think voters do not take such things into account. For me, he is one of the best in the nation. For others, they’ll say he’s not putting up Brian Leonard like numbers from the FB, though is anyone in the country outside of Atlanta?
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Pryor.
I don’t have the data for the whole season yet. But through 5 games (3 conference games):
FSU averaged 6.8 ypc as a team when LP was on the field.
FSU averaged 5.8 ypc as a team w/o LP on the field.
On all plays they averaged 5.9 ypp with LP and 5.2 w/o.
He makes the offense better whether he’s getting the ball or not. Period.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 1, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Garbage time only stats.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 1, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
err..."non"-garbage time.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 1, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI: SN can stop this series where ACC units are evaluated
Dinich has already announced the ACC “dream team” http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/25252/accs-dream-team
Championship!
What's wrong with those picks?
I don’t know enough about Duke’s WR’s to argue against. The rest look like decent picks.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 1, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the ACC's dream team played in Tallahassee.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Jun 1, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The ACC's dream team watched from the sidelines in Chapel Hill all last season....
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by DRusso97 on Jun 1, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
aw man, i have to do it
Duke receivers=BC logo
Duke kicker=no logo
no love for the Dookies, even though they managed to get on the list because of more than 1 player?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
disagree about him being the starting RB
Main reason is who is going to at FB blocking for him and opening up holes the way only Lonnie has been doing?? Lonnie is my favorite Nole right now because he works so hard doesnt complain, and he really makes our offense go. Without him, as MonarchNole stated above, our offense just isnt the same. We need him at FB to open up holes and lead the way for our other RB. If he wasnt doing it I dont know who would be and IMO our offense would suffer.
I do agree though that he should get more touches this season. One because I think that he deserves it and two because he has shown he can make plays. We are definitely lucky to have him as I think that he is one of the most underrated players in the nation.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 1, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Best Fullback
at FSU since Edgar Bennett perhaps.
Dan Kendra!
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by ricobert1 on Jun 1, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 1, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What about William Floyd and Zack Crockett?
Edgar is a good comparison though. He was also undersized but would do whatever was needed to help the team win. The combination of him and Amp Lee was possibly the best receiving backfield ever.
I say Bennett
compares to Pryor b/c of the versatility and team attitude. Although Floyd did occasionally play as a single back, he was more of a pure fullback. Crockett was pretty good as well. And honestly Kendra did not do badly as a fullback given that he played only one season at the position. Remember the beautiful play-action fullback dive plays that FSU ran with him at the goal line and on 2 point conversions several times during the 99-00 season, including once in the Sugar bowl, if I remember correctly.

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