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Head-Coach-In-Waiting: A Concept Whose Time Has Come And Gone

Recently there have been discussions and comments on our boards, and more at some of our sister sites, due to the shenanigans of Bill Stewart at West Virginia, about the head-coach-in-waiting concept.  The whole head-coach-in-waiting concept can become very disadvantageous and could very well become a double-edged knife (in the back-pun intended).

Florida State is very fortunate and we are very grateful that having gone through the HCIW scenario, it appears to have turned out very good for us even though it did get a little messy at the end when Bobby Bowden was not ready to retire.  The situation with Stewart at WVU, while not quite the same,  i.e. a coach who felt he was not being treated fairly and that he deserves more time, is headed for a meltdown.  This is all due to a gutless AD who decided that instead of firing Stewart outright, it would be better to give Stewart his one year notice of termination and have him break in his successor. Stewart allegedly wasn't  thrilled with this arrangement and decided to expose HCIW Dana Holgorsen as a sloppy drunk who repeatedly gets thrown out of casinos.  I don't see any way Stewart will survive this, and I believe his treachery will lead to his resignation, buy out, or firing.

In football, credit is given to Wisconsin as the pioneers in the HCIW concept. The Barry Alvarez to Bret Bielema HCIW situation at Wisconsin is one of only a few that has gone smoothly and according to plan where there was a named HCIW ready to take control from their predecessor.

From:  A Successful Blueprint For A Head Coach in Waiting Arrangement.

Wisconsin pioneered the HCIW concept back in June of 2005 when they announced that Coach Barry Alvarez would be relinquishing control of the football program after the 2005 season to HCIW Bret Bielema.  There had been HCIW deals prior to that, but only in basketball, and this was the first such arrangements I could find ever in college football.  Today there are many HCIW deals in place including one in our own ACC, at Maryland between Ralph Friedgen and Jim Franklin, there is also one at Texas between Mack Brown and Will Muschamp, and there are presently deals in place at Oregon, Kentucky, and Purdue...

The first key to a successful HCIW deal is that the termination date for the current coach must be defined and agreed to in advanced by all parties, and the transition date should not, under any circumstance, be more than 1 year away.

The next thing Alvarez did at Wisconsin is to allow Bielema full access to all his notes on team matters from the years past, and copy him on all the notes he took on daily basis. This only seems logical and worked out well at Wisconsin, however I have my doubts that Bowden's notes would be of much use to Jimbo.  The point is though, the sharing of as much possible information to help your replacement succeed.  I can't say for sure, but I don't think Bowden is all that eager to help out Fisher as we would like him to be.

Next, HCIW Bielema was present at and sat in on every offense meeting, defensive meeting, and special teams meeting between coaches.  He watched and learned how Alvarez conducted these meeting, to get an idea of what went on during these meetings, how to run these meetings, and what was going on in the day to day happenings of the other parts of the team that he was not in direct contact with on a daily basis.

Whenever Alvarez held a press conference, HCIW Bielema would attend, not to participate in, but to listen in on the questions being asked of the Coach Alvarez, how he answered those questions, about what information to release regarding the status of the team, and to become familiar with the members of the media.

Finally, as the season was coming to an end, there was a transition period where Alvarez slowly relinquished some of the day to day functions of the team, turning them over to the HCIW. 

There was no questions who the number 2 coach was on that team. 

There were no conflicts, power struggles, backstabbing, or sabotaging, between coaches on that team. 

And finally the returning players, on all sides of the ball, were gaining respect and getting to know their future head coach.

The other HCIW situations at Kentucky, Purdue, Oregon, Texas, and Maryland, well, I let you decide how well they turned out.

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While the Joker Phillips for Rich Brooks at the University of Kentucky, and the Danny Hope for Joe Tiller at Purdue HCIW transitions appeared smooth, they were both seamless due to the impending retirements of their former coaches who had a set timetable, and were ready to retire.  However....

Whether or not Joker Phillips at UK was the right choice as head coach, only time will tell. If he is able to maintain something close to a .500 record, he will probably meet the low expectations of the Wildcat alumni and could very well survive for the time being.

It has become clear that naming Danny Hope HCIW at Purdue was obviously a mistake, and unless he performs some miracles this upcoming season, I would be very surprised if he returns in 2012.

Aside from FSU, it appears that Oregon also had a successful HCIW arrangement.  The Ducks are having the on-field success the rich boosters demand and the appearances of a smooth transition were present. However, the Mike Bellotti to Chip Kelly transition may not have been as smooth as was portrayed to the fans and media. 

Like Bowden, it was strongly rumored that Bellotti intended on coaching another year, but was forced out ($$$) earlier than planned because of the fear by mega-booster Phil Knight (Nike), as well as others, that Kelly would leave for another job if Bellotti stayed any longer.  Being the good $oldier he is, Bellotti denied these rumors at his earlier than planned resignation news conference. Nevertheless, the rumors persisted that if he did not leave a year earlier than planned, Bellotti would not become the Athletic Director, a position he was promised as part of the Chip Kelly HCIW package.  It was also rumored that Bellotti really wasn't all that interested in, nor qualified, for the AD position.  These rumors may have some merit since Bellotti "resigned" after only 9 short months on the job. Also, during his tenure as AD, Bellotti worked without a contract or any severance package in place.  Yet after his "resignation," he walked away with a $2.3 million severance package and joined ESPN. Again, even though Kelly has brought the Ducks success on the field, their many off-field disciplinary issues have kept them in the headlines ever since he took over.  Disciplinary issues aside, Kelly does appear to be a solid football coach and a good fit.

The situation at Texas also could have gotten very messy if Mack Brown were to get pressured if he were to have another miserable season like the one he just had, because Brown gives all appearances that he has no intention of leaving.  However, we will never know how it would have played out because Will Muschamp saw the writing on the wall, got tired of waiting, and decided to jump ship when presented with the chance to coach at Florida.

The HCIW scenario at Maryland also never got the chance to play out.  Despite having a successful season by Maryland standards, it became crystal clear to James Franklin, the HCIW, that their new AD had no intention of honoring the HCIW deal in place (signed by their previous AD) and he left for Vandy when presented the chance, since the new AD said Ralph Friedgen would be given an extension. Franklin's departure was the best possible scenario for the Terps since it saved them a reported $1million dollar buyout or a possible legal battle, and opened the door for Maryland to use that money to fire Friedgen.

At this point, nothing good will come from keeping Stewart on at WVU for another year. WVU’s HCIW plan was one that was doomed for failure from the start since it was initiated by their AD due to Stewart not being a very good coach.  If Stewart is allowed to stay he could very well become a cancer that could cause infighting and divide the coaching staff by their allegiances, as well as the players. Sound familiar?

We at FSU know first hand how the blueprint was not followed here, how things turned ugly because there was no set timetable, and how Bowden was allowed to do a year by year "self-evaluation" to see if he wanted to continue. The cancer I spoke of above is exactly what happen here at FSU.  This is why the first thing Jimbo Fisher did when he took over on Jan 2nd was clean house of the worthless assistants that Bowden retained out of loyalty.  Those same ones who undermined him at every possible opportunity. You would think as HCIW, Fisher would have had some control or input in how things were being done. But in reality he was #4 in level of authority behind Mickey Andrews and Chuck Amato. However, despite the ugliness that ensued at FSU, all of us are positive that the morals and characters of Bowden and Stewart are nowhere similar. While Bowden didn’t want to leave either, and he let it be known he wanted more time despite it being past time for his departure, he would never resort to the douchebag tactics "allegedly" tried by Stewart.

I guess my point is that for almost every HCIW agreement that has existed, with the possible exception of Wisconsin, there have been presiding coaches who decided they were not ready to leave or weren't in agreement with the termination date, or the HCIW agreement never came to fruition or went as planned, or the HCIW might not have been the best candidate for the job or they are not meeting expectations and their teams are under-performing.

Despite the perceived benefits of having a HCIW already on board, recent history tell us it may be wiser to wait until the head coaching position is, or about to become vacant, for whatever reason, then conducting a search and choosing your next head coach from the national pool of available candidates.

As far as any other major college football program installing a HCIW in the future, with the new restrictions placed on head-coaches-in-waiting by the NCAA as far as recruiting is concerned, I would be very surprised if we ever see it happen again at any major college program. Although stranger things have and will continue to happenen in college football.

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I just saw that. Oh well.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jun 10, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

Just strengthens your argument. What an awful, bizarre situation for WVU.

by paperjames on Jun 10, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recruiting was easily the best advantage for that system.

But as stated, with the new NCAA restrictions you’d be crazy to go public with it if a university wanted a HCIW. I personally believe Jimbo is the reason the NCAA put restrictions on future HCIW. I think others schools seen Jimbo killing it and went crying to the NCAA. I hope someone agrees with me, I feel JoePa hasn’t coached PSU in years (and I’m not talking like Bowden “I coach the coaches” type deal)!

by jenolesone on Jun 10, 2011 9:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I still cant get the image out of my mind of JoePa

Spending half the season (may not of been that long) sitting in the press box without even wearing a headset during the game. Also, there was a game or 2 where he didn’t even go to the locker room @ halftime.

by jenolesone on Jun 10, 2011 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed on the Paterno imagery

It could have been FSU, with Jeff bringing Bobby a juice box at halftime. Thank God it never came to that.

by Dauntless12 on Jun 10, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that makes the records of people like Coach K and Pat Summitt all the more impressive

They’ve won 900 games coaching their butts off every night. You don’t see a lot of old-timer basketball head coaches hiding on the bench while the game is going on around them.

by BayNole9 on Jun 10, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the recruiting restrictions placed on HC'sIW was due more because of Tejas.

Even though Texas will get just about anyone they want in that area, I think the fact that Muschamp was the HCIW, with no date set in stone, upset their rivals and they were the motivation for the NCAA coming up with the new rules.

As much as I would like to give Jimbo credit, I think Texas.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 10, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

It worked for us but,

If we had it to do over again, i’m sure we would do it differently. Firm date, access to everything, a voice in hiring/replacing coaches, access to boosters. A lot of improvements could be made. All said and done, I still think Jimbo is the right man and without the HCIW program, we would not have him. Long live JIMBO!

by ed64nole on Jun 10, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree 50/50

I think our plan worked, somewhat. Our main goal was to have Jimbo Fisher be the future coach and like you said Ed without the HCIW it wouldn’t have happened. However, the end/retirement and the 08, 09 seasons were not very pretty. Thank God its over, we had a solid year and our guy is now the coach, but I think we can all agree that Wisconsin did it best. Any chance UT tries again at a nother “successor?”

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by cmk07c on Jun 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

When Muschamp left, their AD said he would try it again if the circumstances were right.

But I can’t see it happening again any time soon, especially at Texas. Brown wants at least 5 more years. Brown also publicly threw his assistants under the bus (not specifically Muschamp by name) last season when thing started to unravel by questioning them in the media.

Most importantly, the benefit of a HCIW deal was to let the recruits (and players) know who the next coach was going to be. But by the NCAA restricting contact with recruits by placing the same restrictions and limits on the HCIW as a the head coach, that effectively took away the major advantage of the concept. In addition, it puts your program at a disadvantage by giving you one less recruiter, who would most likely be either the DC or OC, on the road actively being able to make contact with prospects.

The egos, the division of authority, the allegiances of the assistants who want to keep their jobs under the new coach, are many of the problems that have been discovered to be associated with the concept to make it worth pursing.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 13, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're right on.

IIRC, the only two programs that it actually affected when enacted were Maryland and Texas (and I mean it CRIPPLED MD recruiting, or was that something else?), and both applied for (but were denied) an exemption

by paperjames on Jun 10, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I was pretty sure the recruiting restriction

would kill the HCiW plan, but then Luck did it anyway. But this flame out has been so strange and spectacular that nobody else could possibly try this. For all the complaints we had about Bowden at the time, and Ann as well, at least they never took it to this level. Stew’s plan was going to actively hurt the football program just so he could keep his job. WVU was lucky to find this out in the off season instead of the fall

by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 10, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Dang rented keyboard!

“he (Bowden) would never resort to the douchebag tactics “allegedly” tried by Stewart."

Substitute “didn’t” for “would never.” (There, now I feel better.)

by Dauntless12 on Jun 10, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you saying

that Bobby would resort to that? If he even had that in him, it would have been brought out when everything went down. And CJF has said that he still talks to Bobby often.

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by GoNoles56 on Jun 13, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually, there is a far earlier precident for the HCiW

and it was amazingly successful.

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by kleph on Jun 10, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I am sure during history of college football, there have been plenty of succession plans that came before the Wisconsin deal.

I am sure there have been many head coaches who hand picked their successors. We even had one here at FSU when Bowden picked Mickey Andrews to succeed him years ago. So yes, I do agree that there were earlier precedents for what is now known as the HCIW.

But as far as having making a official school public announcement, having a contract drawn up naming an individual as the next head coach, with or without a buyout if it doesn’t happen or by a certain date, from my research back in 2009 Wisconsin was the first.

However, I am always willing to learn about things I may not know about, so if you have an earlier HCIW situation, I’m all ears and please do share.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 11, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

when was Purdue's?

and it used to be common in college basketball, most famously with DePaul.

by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 13, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Joe Tiller publicly announced at the end of the 2008 season that 2009 would be his last season as coach, and they hired Eastern Kentucky assistant Danny Hope to become his successor.

You are correct about basketball, they have been doing for years.

Also, it’s probably a good thing the HCIW concept will probably fade away since it circumvents the entire hiring process for the most qualified coach, and has also been portrayed as limiting minority interviewing even though James Franklin and Joker Phillips were HC’s IW.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 13, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Totally agree. After the promises TK made to Bowden (never dreaming that Bobby would reverse his early position and cling to the job as the program tumbled downhill) the sorry path we took was the best available. The buy-out put immediate pressure on Bowden to do what was best for FSU. I’m sure TK realized that If it did not work the terms of the agreement would force him and the Boosters to shelve Bowden and JUSTIFY (to some) that action. Given the circumstances, the HCIW package was a good tactical move in a grim strategic scenario.

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by fmnole on Jun 10, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice job Frank!

It’s surely better when the current coach wants to retire.

I think the competitiveness that helps to make someone a great coach, also makes it hard for them to give it up. The same can be said of athletes.

As for the idea that Bowden should’ve been fired? Well it’s easy for us to say, but in reality it’s not an easy thing to do at all.

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by SeminoleMike on Jun 10, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That whole situation at

West Virginia was handled poorly from the start. Oliver luck needs to be fired for this!! All parties showed no class and showed no leadership qualities at all. The whole situation is dispicable to me!! If I was the president I would fire luck and tell Hologrosen: "One f*#k up and u are out of here!!

by feardaspear on Jun 11, 2011 1:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Kentucky, Oregon, Wisconsin provided blueprint for how to make transition work, because all of those coaches ACTUALLY WANTED TO LEAVE

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 11, 2011 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

But With Wisconsin wasn’t Alvarez the AD?….in that case he still had control over when he would leave

by az5950 on Jun 11, 2011 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with you on Kentucky and Wisconsin, and we can add Purdue to that list since

Joe Tiller publicly announced at the end of the 2008 season that 2009 would be his last season as coach, and they hired Eastern Kentucky assistant Danny Hope to become his successor.

But as I wrote in the story, Oregon transition was not so clear cut. The deal was for him to coach through the 2009 season, but Kelly became a very hot commodity when during his 2nd season as the OC, he turned the Oregon offense into the nations 7th ranked offensive team despite losing their top 2 QB’s, and other teams took notice and came-a-calling. That is why in the beginning of December of 2008, before their bowl game and during the time when other teams are searching for new coaches, Kelly was signed as the HCIW agreement to take effect at the end of 2009.

“It could be a year, it could be more. I don’t know,” Bellotti said during the HCIW announcement. “I feel like I’ve been put in a great situation. Basically a lot of this was at my suggestion, because of Chip’s popularity and the job he’s done for us.”

The “succession plan” released by the university come amid reports that the 45-year-old Kelly was to be interviewed by Syracuse for its head coaching position.

Bellotti would replace Pat Kilkenny (another prominent booster) as AD, who took over in February 2007 and said at the time he planned to serve in that position for two years.

So everything was in place for both transitions to take place at the end of the 2009 season, and right after their bowl game Bellotti is quoted as saying,

"When you spend a couple of weeks after the season doing the things you do as coach, there is a lot of excitement. We have a chance to be a real good football team next season."

Supposedly, the pressure started to mount on Bellotti to make the move even before their bowl game, but he continued to think he would be coaching the next season and he took credit for the HCIW deal, thinking this would buy him another year, despite publicly stating that he would decide when he would move to AD. He even presided over Oregon’s national letter-of-intent signing day, which Kelly would have done if he was already planning to move, and was gearing up for spring practice when all of sudden 2 weeks before the start of spring practice, he announced his resignation and became the AD one year earlier than plan. His resignation came right after two members of Bellotti’s coaching staff were relieved of their duties, because they didn’t fit with Kelly’s plans for the future.

Also, a few weeks before spring practice, Bellotti was asked if is being forced out. Bellotti had no choice but to say,

"I would move over because it’s what I want to do. This whole idea was mine. Chip Kelly would be the head coach at Syracuse or Mississippi State or several other places if we hadn’t moved on this."

A few days later he resigns.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good work, Frank. and I agree the new rule will eliminate or curtail this

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 11, 2011 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I love Bowden

And I think when he knew he still had 3 or 4 years before a buyout and still got kids. He still had delusions of grandeur that FSU would just win by itself with talent. The game changed and he didn’t. And when CJF originally signed the HCIW contract with the buyout a couple years down the road I think Bobby thought he was still a season from one last hurrah. And when it just never happened it was like finally having to take the keys from your 85 year old grandparent who cant see or hear but wants to drive. It sucks. But his pride would have kept him their till he was forced by the buyout of the contract or no money coming in from Boosters who knew 7-6 was current FSU football. Bobby I wish could understand the game has changed and he needed to move on. But its telling an old man that what he has done his whole life is done. So theirs no great way. It only works if the HCIW, Jimbo in this matter. Is super strong and has the empathy to understand what he was dealing with in such a rare situation

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by caine115 on Jun 11, 2011 3:23 AM EDT reply actions  

For every Ted Williams,

one of the few luminaries I can think of who knew exactly when to get off the train, there are at least twenty like Willie Mays. Bowden was committed to the Mays route and it was as sad as it was destructive. I’m rooting for Joe Pa to wake up one morning and call in retired.

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by fmnole on Jun 11, 2011 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is JoePa still doing mullti year contracts?

Or just renewing each year. I dont mean this in a harsh tone. But hes another that seems to rather call in dead then call in and retre

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by caine115 on Jun 11, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Multi-year deals AFAIK

But in his case, his salary’s so ridiculously low that PSU couldn’t even get a good OC for what they’re paying JoePa.
Think he’s paid something like 500k/yr.
That’s all he wants, and even then he still gives something like 6 figures back to PSU each yr.

At that rate, he’ll stay there until 3 years after he’s dead.

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by Dogrel on Jun 13, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of what you have said.

But, I don’t find the situation to be rare. It seems that there many old guys in many professions who want to stay on too long, only to be forced out. The old guy always claims he only wants a little more time, and usually bases his argument on an earlier era of undisputed success, while downplaying a recent era of markedly reduced performance. In my experience this process is more commonly seen in people who were dramatically successful, and is less common among those whose careers were more average.

In my opinion guys like Tom Osborne are less common than Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno.

by IndyFSUnole on Jun 11, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I use the term rare more in his case specifically

 I know their are many folks that start to get to an age where they simply cant do what they used to. And everything from pride to the fact they still feel they can do it and dont want younger people telling them when they are done, I see that situation pretty often.

The rare part comes when your the HCIW to what is basically the most winning coach in college football minus some wins taken and JoePa still coaching technically even though he is almost doing it Weekend at Bernie’s style. Its never easy.But Bowden is much more of an exception as under his watch they went from team to dynasty. Agreeing with your point of success playing a bigger part in cases.So his case was on a different level. We needed change for sure. But from his point and the simple fact that technology changed the game in ways I dont think he fully understood the implications of, so it was not even a factor in his mind. Bobby had to figure who in the hell can tell me that I cant do my job anymore. Which is where his perception from a life of football and being a coach that ran a dynasty and one of the greatest coaches of all time was different then making 70 year old coach of school x who had been there for 20 yeas and was beloved. This was Bobby Bowden. So rare in terms of the person your replacing. But you are dead on and I completely agree that having dramatic success makes it even harder to make them see that they need to spend a few years fishing on a boat and not running a team the same way as 15 years ago and still being able to say yea when was the last time we didnt make a bowl or finish 500. And like I said. We still would get talent. So he would have thought he was just a year away until we finally didnt make that bowl and that would have been to late. Much longer to turn around at that threshold. And As much as i loved Bobby. If he had left even 1 year earlier. Who knows where we could be this year

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by caine115 on Jun 11, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good job, Frank!

I enjoyed this discussion before and enjoyed your take even more.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 11, 2011 8:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow. If we hadn't posted it at almost the same exact time, I might be concerned.

I was actually working on this for about a day before I posted it, but since I have other obligations other than writing it took me longer than expected to publish.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 11, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

If SI wants to make a beef here,

TN has far more lawyers than they do. We can take em.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 11, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think a 7 minute difference is enough time for them to try anything, but if they have the nads, bring it on bee-atches.

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by FrankDNole on Jun 11, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

Based on some of the other comments that have been made on TN in the past, it was a little “tongue in cheek” that some of these sports outlets seem to read what’s posted on TN, and then post something eerily similar on a major outlet…there’s some serious brainpower and effort on TN….as well as a plethora of attorneys :)

by Nole@UAB on Jun 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, we will never know how it would have played out because Will Muschamp saw the writing on the wall, got tired of waiting, and decided to jump ship when presented with the chance to coach at Florida

Ummm. . . .he jumped ship to an immediate job rather than the promise of a future job. Note the same thing in Maryland where the AD left and the terms changed could happen at Texas. Deloss Dodds is long in the tooth and the opportunity to leave to an “unfortunately” marquee program is what Muschamp did. Let’s not pretend he left UT to go to A&M, Miami, or even Georgia. There are a few spots that if they come open, you leave your fiancee at the alter for, no matter how much the ring costs.

by WarHorn79 on Jun 12, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Ummm....I don't get your point about Muschamp since what you're saying is exactly and no different than what I wrote.

As far as Maryland is concerned, the contract was with the university, not the AD. So the contract is binding even if the AD leaves and goes to NC. If others had not turned down the Vandy job before him, Franklin probably would not have gotten another coaching job in a major (if that’s what we want to call Vandy) program. Maryland would have still been on the hook for $1million at the end of next season if Franklin was not named head coach. It is possible Ralphie boy would still be at Maryland, especially since the new AD previously said he was willing to discuss giving Friedgen the extension he was asking for past 2011, but then changed his mind and fired bought him out when Franklin left and the money became available.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jun 13, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ummmmm.....

"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"

- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)

by YouNoleIt on Jun 13, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

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