Christo Kourtzidis: Florida State Seminoles Commitment
by Michael@TN on Jun 18, 2011 5:31 PM EDT
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PrintChristo Kourtzidis, one of the the top tight ends in the country has committed to the Florida State Seminoles. Christo Kourtzidis is from Lutheran High School in Orange, California. He has visited FSU at least two times this off-season and bonded well enough with the coaching staff to pull the trigger.
Kourtzidis is 6'4.5" and 240 pounds, with the frame to play north of 260 pounds. He's not going to stretch the field vertically, but is a great complement to Nick O'Leary, who signed with FSU last cycle and is expected to be a hybrid tight end, lining up all over the field. With Kourtzidis as the in-line tight end and O'Leary as the multi-purpose tight end, FSU has an excellent pair of tight ends.
And as FSU fans have seen recently, playing tight end takes intelligence. The 'Noles had to gamble on some tight end prospects in the latter years of the 'Lost Decade,' but now the 'Noles seem to have their pick o' the litter. The coaches obviously feel comfortable that Kourtzidis can handle the offense.
Kourtzidis is rated a 4-star prospect by 247 (#5 TE), Scout (#7 TE), and Rivals (#8 TE), and a 3-star prospect by ESPN (#24 TE). 'Nole fans have to be happy about snagging a tight end whom three of the four services claim is one of the 10-best in the country. He also held offers from Alabama, Florida, Nebraska, and Oklahoma.
Kourtzidis is FSU's 11th commitment of the 2012 cycle and he certainly won't hurt FSU's chances of again landing one of the top classes in the country.
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Nice. Keep grabbing these kids early and often.
Welcome home Christo
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Jun 18, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
ALSO....typo in the title of the article.
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Jun 18, 2011 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
Fixed that
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I like the move.
Honestly not sure who is better between him and the other TE prospects, but you don’t pass up a talent like Kourtzidis to gamble on someone who is debatably a hair better.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Is the other one scared of a little competition? Why can’t we have both if it comes to it? Not enough spaces?
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by Mellocello63 on Jun 18, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Not enough spaces
I think…
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just out of curiosity.
Did we never have a chance with laith harlow? It seems strange that FSU wouldn’t be interested in a hometown kid similar to christo
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Jun 18, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No interest from what I was told
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and by that I mean none from FSU's side
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wow, I hope that isn't the kind of move that starts to burn bridges in our own backyard
by CrimiNOLElawyer on Jun 18, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t see how it could. Gotta trust your evaluation. If FSU doesn’t think he can play at FSU they shouldn’t offer him just because he is local.
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Exactly, you just have to be up front with everyone and explain yourself, and you wish them the absolute best. There's no shame in not putting someone in what you already think would be a bad fit.
We can’t take every starter from Lincoln, NFC, Leon, etc.
One of Fisher's first moves when he came in 4 years ago was to shore up relationships with local coaches.
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We don't have a pipeline to Godby to ruin.
Thankfully.
If you torture a statistic enough you can make it confess to anything.
by PeachTreeNole on Jun 19, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't Willie Downs ruin that pipeline the way I ruined the guest bathroom in my Sister-in-law's house??
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Can't speak about that bathroom but there were several Godby guys before Downs.
I can’t remember the last kid from there that actually made it to FSU.
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Foreclosures take time... :-D
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Kid is a football player
Like the downfield block / now I’m a receiver play.
What are you glorifying with your life?
11 commitments already
and football season hasn’t even started yet. I’m glad we got a more traditional tight end as opposed to O’Leary, who will most likely be an H-Back.
by Matt Champion on Jun 18, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Wild@Heart Nole FSU used to have a fine history of tight ends
yep
in the late 80s and early 90s (up to Lonnie Johnson in the ’94 draft), FSU would have the first or second TE taken the years they had TEs graduating.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 18, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Lonnie was a great TE.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Don't underestimate the value of a correctly positioned 'n.'
he was
but kind of fell victim to Richt installing the fast break offense.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll have a long way to go to overcome the perception of UM as "Tight End U"
by SeminoleSkins87 on Jun 18, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that cause all the coed grads will be hookers
I mean they need Boosters some how to bring in money
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Scratch Coed to graduate in general
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This is great news
I’m really looking forward to seeing some developed TE play again at FSU, there’s so much potential at the position. Hated missing that weapon.
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CP7: "No, it’s all one word."
When you've got a talented and developed one, it really is the best threat on the field.
Especially for a younger/inexperienced QB.
by SeminoleSkins87 on Jun 18, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times did Miami beat us with a play to a TE
I know the TE position always loomed large in UM wins over us. Shockys catch in the end zone one year still sticks out vividly
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Yes
But thats cause they had TE’s that needed to be accounted on in the first place, which they did
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What nationality is this guy?
He has such a generic name I couldn’t tell.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I believe that was sarcasm...
perhaps from both of you….
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by lawdy15 on Jun 18, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
When you told her that...
Then she KNEW you were being sarcastic! :-)
I really like this kid and as I said in the earlier thread I think he complements O'Leary better
Top 10 kid at the tight end position IMO.
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by Michael@TN on Jun 18, 2011 6:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree as well...
& I’m a fan of Taylor, but this kid is more versatile. Better fit.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Don't underestimate the value of a correctly positioned 'n.'
Whoever the 2013 1st-year starter at QB is, this makes it easier.
I expect a heavy dose of Ace personnel (1RB/2TE) with NOL as the moveable H-Back and a stud blocker at TE.
Ace is an even formation, so it forces the defense to declare pre-snap—making QB reads a bit easier, it is balanced, allowing easier audibles, and with an H-Back like NOL, the motion options allow you to out-flank the defense much easier.
Not saying Christo will be the starting TE, but the theory remains the same if it is tank Sessions instead.
2013 depth chart:
H-back – NOL, Will Tye
TE – Tank Sessions, Christo Kourtizidis
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It will be similar to what the Patriots did last year, and will do again this year. With Aaron Hernandez, Gronkowski, and Crumpler in a jumbo package. Its borderline unstoppable both run an pass. Just matchup problems running amok.
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Nice
To get a top prospect out of Cali shows how well this staff recruits…
About this
We often get on other staffs for getting so National and neglecting FL. Is there any chance this is happening with FSU? Half of our current commitments are from kids outside of FL (CA, TX, AL, AL, GA, NJ). Any issue here, or is this anecdotal and not indicative of what we can expect moving forward.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
How many are from more than 4 hours away?
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Jimbo always said
inside out when it came to recruiting. Bud is absolutely right . My point was FSU is getting to a point where they can cherry pick top recruits nationally.
think about that statement, it has only been a year and we are " to a point where we can cherry pick"
that my friend gives me goosebumps…but i think to have sustained long term success we MUST own our backyard in recruiting, not saying CJF is not doing that, but he must continue.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jun 18, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This kid had traveled across the country a couple of times already, hadn't he? I'm sure we felt pretty good about our chances.
I don’t think it was like we were just driving to California in a van on a whim with some tattered scholarship papers in hand, just in case…
Its actually more then a year
I wrote something in another thread. But in the few months from Jimbo officially becoming HC to NSD we jumped from not ranked in top 15 to like 9 and ended at 6, First full year was 1, And then this year. let me find that breakdown. Here check this out on how his recruiting has been and at FSU from Bowden in charge to the time Jimbo took over as HC officially. Not including this recruit as I wrote this a few days ago
The last 4 years……..All taken on first class rankings apporx June per ESPN
This year 2012 class we have 10 commits with 1-5* 8-4* and 1-3* with 10 total recruits and 7 of the top 150 and we are ranked second at this moment. Our QB is just outside and our kicker is the 1 or 2 depending who u talk to
in 2011 initial poll we were 6th with 0-5* (Karlos ddnt get it till last update) with 8-4* and six 3* with 14 total recruits at this point with 6 in the top 150…we know where we finished. #1
in 2010 I could not find the first rankings as they only went top 10 and then 15 and we didnt crack either of those positions…..Till December. When December ranks came out we jumped to 10 from out of the top 15 with 19 commits with 5 in the top 150 with 2-5* 5-4* and 8-3*………..Notice we were not even in top 15 this year till December when Jimbo officially was taking over the following year/ In amazing fashion we Ended that cycle at number 6 with 24 commits 8 top 150 commits 2-5* 9-4* AND 9-3*. months from not in the discussion of top 15 to one of the top recruiting schools
Now we go to 2009
Not as much info in the same format. When initial ranking came out about the same time we were at 8. This was the class that we had some solid recruits. However buy signing day our final numbers, we were ranked 10 with 17 commits and only 3 in the top 150, the #1 prospect for us in the end based in ratings that cycle was Mcdaniel. So we only had 3 of 17 in the 150 in 09.
And I showed you the point where we went from out of the rankings in 2010 up to the october/novemberish rating when we hit 10 in December to 6 to finish to ending up at 6.
But I just wanted to take a look at where we stood based on a specific service and figure ESPN was the safest to use, So look those over and you can just be amazed at how we went from 3 of 17 recruits in the top 150 Bowdens final true recruiting year. To us out of the top 15 to #6 in 3 months after Jimbo took over in 2010 and a #1 to follow it.
3 of 17 at the end of 08………..7 of 10 to start 12. Crazy
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by caine115 on Jun 19, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec’d
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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you know, during the message board wars of the Lost Decade,
when I would say we needed a bright young coach to replace the last staff, the Bowdenistas who ran those boards would shout down the notion, ask who we could get that’s better than bobby, argue we’ll miss his recruiting, blah blah blah. i knew someone was out there. Jimbo was waiting..
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by PeachTreeNole on Jun 19, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and one was a legacy/top player in the country according to ESPN which you dont pass up
by newdynastynole on Jun 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
But then that changes things
Cause you gotta add Pender/Stuckey to that number… But I still get where you’re going.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
how many are further away than Miami?
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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You go Instate yes, because of your brand. But you also go with a 4 hour radius because that’s within your sphere of influence (HS coaches, media, etc)
I'm with ya
Just making sure we aren’t becoming the very thing we criticized FL for being last year.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I also have a theory on what kind of kid from OOS adjusts to the culture. But I’ll let the readers figure it out.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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HS
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Our core seems to be local kids
and Jimbo on ESPN noted there is no point chasing recruits around the country when we have the best kids in GA and Fla. I don’t mind taking a few from out of region, like EJ and Werner, to compliment a homegrown class.
However, where we, and others have gone wrong is taking the kids who come here from other places “to bring their game to south beach” instead of to get the best coaching or situation fit. In my opinion its a mental difference on the part of the playuh.
Of course there is always the random quarterback who feels a kinship with the head coach who he knows will have his back through thick and thin.
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by Ponder This on Jun 19, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
put down the banjo
don’t be provincal – we’ll take the best players we can get.
Ehh, the kids have to be the right fit.
Some parts of Tallahassee and Southern culture differ greatly from the cultures out west and up north.
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Yea, those damn kids that EE and transfer out only a few months in kill your APR.
No joke. At least stay a full year and stay qualified so it doesn’t ding us. Jerks.
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don’t be provincal – we’ll take the best players we can get.
That’s the trap FSU got into in the latter 90s. It is multi-fold issue:
1) taking kids from schools you don’t regularly recruit makes judging character and work ethic harder
2) knowing the schools help you know how legit the GPAs are and how likely they are to stay eligible (APR).
3) further away they come from – more likely the homesickness issues
3a) kids from outside the south are going to have more trouble with heat and humidity
3b) culture issues coming from certain other regions
4) Florida and Georgia kids are more likely to have better skills and conditioning anyway – longer spring practice, etc. (though kids out of Texas and California can compete well).
5) Neglecting regional schools eventually bites you in the ass – that’s what happened to spiral FSU down in the lost decade – FSU fell from the national scale, couldn’t recruit OOS near as well, then couldn’t recruit regionally due to the neglect of local high school relationships.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the trap FSU got into the late 90's
was losing Mark Richt and still having Bobby Bowden on staff.
there was more than one cause
the recruiting down fall was tied to too much emphasis on recruiting nationally and a reliance on who everyone else thought was good (not scouting and evaluating for selves).
Jimbo’s greatest achievement in recruiting is he and his staff re-establishing relationships.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 20, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought the trap FSU fell into in the Lost Decade
Was relying on outside recruiting services for our player evaluation, then relying on Jeff Bowden and Daryl Dickey for our player development.
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There is...
credence to this. We became a program that became “Paper Recruiters” rather than talent evaluators (Hence always "Man does BB and FSU always close strong comments every year). Stars matter, but the right stars matter even more and it absolutely killed us.
Early evaluations, early commits & aggressive prospecting for the next year and year after classes is what wins the recruiting war. You win the recruiting wars and you win the ones on Saturdays.
Early evaluations and aggressively pursuing prospects is what we lacked imo.
It’s not where we recruited (Florida vs out of state) but how we recruited.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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by tricknole on Jun 20, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That looks so good
Getting commitments from California, Texas, and Alabama is not easy given that the in-state schools usually grab them, but the staff is on top of it. That is very impressive IMO.
Great get!
Catches, runs (through defenders), and blocks. What more could you want from a TE? Looks to be a great complement to NOL.
One other thing to note is that Christo teammate John Lopez is one of the top OT in the nation for next year
Lopez (6’6 320)has an offer from UCLA already and was rated a top 100 prospect by maxpreps for 2013.
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by Michael@TN on Jun 18, 2011 6:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Talk about strategic recruiting
If you can offer 3 players that are all very similar talent-wise, might as well pick the one with the most (good) baggage at his high school. Not sure how other tight ends fare in the baggage category (and I don’t know how conscious of a decision this was), but if an otherwise similar recruit can help your chances with a top O-lineman or QB in the next cycle, that sets him apart.
I would have said it if you didn't, maybe not as well as you did, but I would have tried.
That’s one of the reasons I like when we get kids from schools like Saint Thomas Aquinas.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Jun 18, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I have said this a few times
I dont follow to much HS football but live within about 20 mins of STA. So when they are playing this yea if their are games specifically and recruits we want someone to take a look at I will gladly go and take some notes on specific players. Hell I could even try and recrord certain players for a few plays each and send them to Bud or something
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With a school like STA there will be no shortage of film on any of their top kids.
I would just go and enjoy the game.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Jun 19, 2011 5:32 AM EDT up reply actions
They have Jelani Hamilton (2012) DL and a few 2013 offensive linemen, along with many other transfers in all likelihood.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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5’9" 160
Fun HS player to watch, but Jimbo wants big players for the most part imo
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 19, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but only as a sophomore.
He’ll definitely add size. The question is how much.
by nolesblogger on Jun 19, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone have a correct pronunciation?
I’ve been staring at his last name for 10 monies. I wanna say “Court-ZEED-is” but I am completely uncertain.
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All he needs are these
And the transformation will be complete
What are you glorifying with your life?
those things filled with everclear?
cause then it would be complete…
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not sure
but I think:
Court-Zeed-Ease
"The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary." Vince Lombardi
"We'll win games with talent, we'll win championships with character." Jimbo Fisher
Court---Zee---This
From someone who knows him on another site.
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Just picked up some inside info....
One of my very best friend’s nephew, Cole Trolinger from East Coweta (Newnan, GA) is attending JFC this weekend. According to him, the staff has informed the other TE’s at camp that we will be taking a second TE this year. Sort of surprising to me, but I consider the info to be extremely reliable FWIW.
by Widespread Seminole on Jun 18, 2011 6:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can see it for sure. Do you really expect Tye and Sessions here in 2012 and 2013?
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Agreed Bud.....
No more fillers on this FSU roster………Tye and Sessions probably are talented but now we specialize in getting only the best of the best. And if Taylor wants to join O’Leary and Kourtzidis then we will take him.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Jun 18, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re already 3rd on the depth chart behind two younger guys in your rs-soph year… transfer so you can play somewhere
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Definitely better for them to transfer in such a situation
Unless they are looking for a degree from FSU or they are that die-hard of a nole… At which point, FSU would have to balance good will with recruiting ability.
If you’re already 3rd on the depth chart behind two younger guys in your rs-soph year… transfer so you can play somewhere
This is absolutely the way to build a championship team. In fact, It’s won me 4 straight on NCAA 2011.
I just hope that those juniors and seniors (who I cut because I landed a stud freshman to replace them) will one day forgive FSU COACH.
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by CornNole on Jun 19, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
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No kidding....
it’s way too hard to recruit like that on Heisman diff…I’m lucky to get 10 4 stars let alone starting 5* players. All american was too easy.
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Saying he basically has a year, maybe two. You don’t wanna be 3rd on the depth chart entering your upperclassman season.
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Any specific idea why ESPN has him ranked so low compared to other services?
by SeminoleSkins87 on Jun 18, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah for real.......
I know ESPN usually does a pretty good job at evaluating talent, but geez when every other major site has him a Top 10 TE then ESPN needs to do a little bit more HW.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Jun 18, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
could be more of a film-only eval and less of a projection.
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im pretty sure he has been hurt and is just now recovering from an injury.. could be a reason why..
by newdynastynole on Jun 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think alot of times this happens is the service hasn't gotten the chance to eval live.
probably just watching film.
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Just saw that UF has 9 players in 247's top 247
Damn, we now have 6. That stings a little.
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At least our three best are all at our biggest position of need.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
As long as Miami continues to be the clear #3-5ish, FSU and UF can both succeed being 1A and 1B or reverse.
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Just seems like 2013 and on are going to be some wars
Good God
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
But with an ACC schedule
Especially once we get the whole 3 cupcakes thing down.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
That’s why FSU is such a desirable job … access to SEC talent & visibility… but an easier path to the MNC
You mean the NC?
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I hate the M too Trick.
Nothing mythical about a big ass crystal in my book.
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Hahaha for real......
DT recruit Tyler Nero said he was only considering SEC schools and he said “Alabama, Auburn, Florida, FLORIDA STATE, Georgia.” Yeah we are getting back to the way things should be in FL.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Jun 18, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Saw that too....REALLY like that dude. He plays **MEAN**.
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How awesome is 2013 going to be though?
There is so much talent next year. Makes 2012 look bad.
2013 will not be as good as 12
Just cause of who we will lose. Not that an offseason will be 7-6 anymore. We can compete for a title in 12, think 12 is going to be a good year but not a title year. But turn it back on in 14. 2013 wil be new QB. any new DB. Lose quite a bit after 2012
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rather think 13 will be good but not a title year
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Think he means recruiting wise.
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Oh. I expect top 5 ish
As long as we keep the momentum. Not going to get #1 every year. But no reason for us to ever ever be out of top 10
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Don't worry about them
Jimbo and the staff will do what has to be done….
Don't they also have more commits than us?
We now have 11, and one of them is a kicker… 6/10 non-ST ain’t bad. What are UF’s numbers?
I'll be shocked if Eligwe and Taylor don't end up in the 247.
24/7 came out with their list awhile ago and both of the above guys blew up rankings wise after that. That would move us to 9 out 10 (not counting the kicker), Maguire would be the only commit we have that is off the list.
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 18, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/640131/June_18_FSU___3_rivals_commitments.png
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What's the first column rank indicate?
asking b/c there is already an average ranking column (last column of table).
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overall nationally
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you
mean he didn’t show up to camp or something? Or is like, kidnapped?
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 18, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to read your reply 5 times before I understood
My god, Saturday, apparently is brain free day.
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 18, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you have a cold beer in your hand?
Let me solve this mystery…
I'm still not following.
The four rankings on the right are their national rankings per those 4 services. Where is the number on the far left coming from?
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Rank order
You sort all the national players in order of the last column, the first column is the rank order.
ie there are 2 players that average better than 6.
Gotcha, thanks.
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This is awesome
I wish there was a better way to deal with “no rank” since they all have different caps. Being unranked in ESPN helps you out if you are ranked poorly by scout/rivals/247 (see Dalvon Stuckey, who got a bump by being hard-coded at 150/151). Still, very cool and shows that FSU still has the best class of the bunch
Boy I'll tell ya
I don’t know the other 3 teams recruits well enough (although it does seem like blanks is ranked awful low) but I feel that ALL of our recruits listed in this table should be ranked by the 4 major services when alls said and done.
Also, look who has 4 out of the top 6. Our Players in this lost are ranked, on average 119.55, and I don’t even need to do the math for the other 3 to tell you that we are the best, by far. Okay, fine, since you asked.
Floridas – 160.2
Clemson – 190.66
Miami – 192.85
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
by Sem1nole on Jun 18, 2011 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To add to this, we also have numbers to back up the better average
Players on this list:
FSU: 9
UF: 10
UM: 7
Clemson: 6 (7 since Kelly should be in there)
No team is doing THAT poorly, but FSU and UF clearly in the lead.
FSU: 4 of top 6 and 6 of top 13
Will be interesting to see how the numbers move throughout the year
This is one of my favorite 2012 commitments thus far
He is a fighter. I love seeing a high school TE who will knock out a defender first and then go downfield to catch the ball. Christo wants to hit and then make the play. He’s a fighter and we fighters.
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I don't know if I can link another site so I apologize up front...
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i linked PTS once and it got deleted (though i think it was for a particular reason)
by newdynastynole on Jun 19, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
He must know the game well, because at 3:30 in the highlight video he was playing REF.:)
Maybe they just highlighted the wrong person, but it would have been impressive.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Jun 18, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
Especially when he is in the Madden 95 playbook.
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by Ponder This on Jun 19, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Bud
I know I have told you I know Kent Taylor, I know for a fact we are in his top 3, do you see this affecting this?
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I moved from the Tampa Bay area to Indianapolis
So, I will have to send a friendly email to Kent and ask, I haven’t spoke to him in over a month
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
I moved from the Tampa Bay area to Indianapolis
So, I will have to send a friendly email to Kent and ask, I haven’t spoke to him in over a month
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20
If he wants in, I fully expect FSU would accept his commitment.
I think Kent’s a very good TE prospect. But so is Christo, and Christo wanted to secure his spot and did so.
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FWIW, I have a friend who lives in Brandon and is very close with the Taylor
It seems he is heavily leaning toward FSU after USF apparently sent feelers to his school. I think we can still get him.
How will this affect attrition? With Reilford, Tye, Sessions, O’Leary and now Kourtzidis (and assuming we get Taylor), who do you think will leave?
Reliford and Little are gone after this year. I have no problem with carrying 5 tight ends, particularly if it cuts down on the receivers.
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You think FSU was gonna take 2 all along?
And put the heat on Christo to push Taylor a little harder?
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They are 2 different types of TE so it isnt going to matter.
IMO Taylor will need to redshirt where ever he goes anyways. He is a great talent but he also needs to add some good weight.
I wanted them to take two, but I won’t tell you that was the plan.
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I'm saddened
I was looking forward to Bud’s catch phrase about how we’ve got good talent but great talent is on the way.
by vickers8 on Jun 19, 2011 12:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Probably needs to amend that to:
FSU now has great talent. They’re about to have a great team.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 19, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
look at the size of those calves on him
Got to be some good lower body strength there.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Or it's from lots of chicken wings and an odd body type
But I think your explanation is the more plausible
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