Punter Cason Beatty Commits To Florida State Seminoles
by Bud Elliott on Jun 19, 2011 3:24 PM EDT
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PrintCason Beatty, a punter from Charlotte, North Carolina has committed to the Florida State Seminoles, per Charlotte Prep Insiders. FSU is losing its senior punter, Shawn Powell.
One day after being offered by Florida State, Olympic High punter Cason Beatty committed to the Seminoles, Olympic coach Barry Shuford told the Observer.Beatty, a 6-foot-3, 225-pound rising senior, threw for more than 800 yards last season as a quarterback. As a punter, he had four punts over 60 yards and averaged 43.5 yards per attempt.
This was confirmed by Noles247.
I was not expecting FSU to take a punter this cycle as I thought kicker commitment Roberto Aguayo would handle the punting duties in 2012 before transitioning to kicker in 2013. But FSU was going to take a punter next cycle, and if Beatty is really that good there's no reason to pass on him. FSU will have three scholarship specialists for the 2012 season. That shouldn't happen as an annual strategy, but it is fine in a single-year setting and the trade off should be continued excellence in field position.
Beatty has a 4.0+ GPA and plans to enroll in January, which will help him quickly improve. He doesn't even turn 18 until August of 2012, so he might not be done growing. And Beatty apparently hasn't been punting for that long, as his profile indicates he started working with a kicking coach in 2010:
Cason has all the tools to be the very best D1A [punting] prospect in the nation. He is big, tall, strong, and athletic. He has the perfect size and frame to be outstanding. Huge potential here. A fine young man with a great attitude and work ethic. Big time D1 prospect.
FSU's outgoing punter is huge (6'4" 230), and Beatty is pretty big as well.
Does anyone here have experience evaluating a raw punter with a huge leg?
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Ummmm Ok
not sure how i feel about this one
by MississippiSeminole on Jun 19, 2011 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
Pretend you are Jimbo. Why would you take a punter?
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He is primarily a kicker. My guess is answer #2 above. They had to take a punter this cycle or next, and this kid is a really good prospect. Just a guess.
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Charlie Ward
punted his freshman season …
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll try out a few answers
“Aguayo, who is a tremendous kicker, won’t be able to punt like Bud thought and we can’t risk not having a big leg in 2012 when we have a shot at a national title”
“This kid is an elite prospect and we don’t have a punter in 2012 because Powell is graduating. Aguayo may be able to punt, but this kid has only punter for one season and is already excellent.”
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We don't need a punter in 2012
Why have a punter if you won’t be punting? We need a kickoff specialist.
by basaltrock on Jun 19, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hahahah
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by numberonenole on Jun 19, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Aguayo?
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>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Haha, so hard on yourself.
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I'd say feel good
Field position matters and Powell is hard to replace. If they feel like this kid is good enough to do so then It’s the right move. A punter was going to take up a scholarship in either this cycle or the next and when you really think about it, what position on the field are we really thin at to the point where taking a punter hurts us elsewhere?
Is anyone else completely at a loss here?
I don’t get this decision at all personally
It's a necessity in this cycle or the next
They got it out of the way now.
This was my first impression.
Powell is gone soon.
You have your answer standing in front of you.
Easy greasy
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I guess I was just operating under the misunderstanding
that aguayo was a stud kicker & punter.. hence my apprehension but if he’s this good with such limited experience It is hard to argue it. welcome to the seminole nation Beatty!
I think
Like the NFL…when he is the best guy on the board, take him. What are you going to get another 3 star LB or a 5 star punter who may grey shirt. Now that FSU is starting to look like a week in and week out contender it’s the little thing i.e. “process.” Field position, although over looked is still the most important thing in football.
Punt it a mile, allow one first down, return of 20 yards…kick field goal. Now reapeat 10 times a game.
Hmmmm...
Anyone else thinking that he could potentially be used on the goal line as a QB?
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by CornNole on Jun 19, 2011 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Sure
But, i’m not looking for my punter to seal the deal. EJ can do that and so can O’Leary. Kinda reaching on that point.
I think the idea
would be to use him as a holder for the FG team and run fakes enough to create uncertainity on the kick rush.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So my guess is
Your going to give up a scholarship for 1 play. Don’t know… The talent we have can get the same results. My belief is we can run Telvin Smith out on the field and accomplish the same thing. You guy’s are great. Just don’t see it. Jimbo, know’s more than the rest of us. Hope he has the right decision.
if you are responding to me
that’s not what I proposed. I proposed that he could be the holder to run plays while also performing punt duties. Don’t know where you got the idea I was thinking otherwise. Please quote me where I said that he could play just being the holder for a season, much less a holder for a single play.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
who is the current holder?
oh yeah, the punter. who also punts.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
NEWS FLASH
EJ graduates in 2012
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Now that would be a good trick play: fake punting from the goal line.
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More like showing off
“You haven’t kept my offense out of the endzone….try my punter.”
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Also why not bring in a kid now so he can be tutored by Powell.
Instead of a kid that is just learning himself.
Powell is a senior this year so he will not be tutored by Shawn, unless he gets in early and works with Shawn while Shawn preps for the draft or something.
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Powell is done after this year
this kid shows up next year…
Could be a greyshirt like Powell?
Just a thought.
Don’t think so, but I don’t know.
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Think of 2013.
2013 is so loaded with talent.
Instead of wasting a scholarship on a punter next cycle it can now be used on a great prospect. It’s freeing up room in next year’s class as well.
Not really
He’ll still be on scholarship for that year anyway, just not part of that signing class.
by nolesblogger on Jun 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Scholarships will be freed up for the 2013 class when players transfer after the 2011 season.
So we can use one of those freed up scholarships on something other than special teams because we took care of it in the 2012 class.
by KnoleR3 on Jun 19, 2011 5:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But that scholarship would be free regardless of whether we took a punter in the 2012 or 2013 class.
Whether you sign a scholarship for a punter in 2012 or 2013, it is still 1 scholarship used for a punter.
by nolesblogger on Jun 19, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
more like it's one less guy to count in the 25 man class
especially if the NCAA moves to adopt the SEC’s new counting rule, then it’s one less man to have to work around for 2013.
But then you could always count guys forward to the 2012 class, no?
I’m thinking nolesblogger is right. Beatty would take up a scholarship regardless and the amount available would be the same regardless.
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It seems the MO around here is that if you have a spot early or later,
you go early and fix the numbers later. Don’t wait and try to make up for lost talent. If Beatty EE’s this January, then he could even be counted in 2011?? Depending on how many transfers we get.
I think we have room to back count a few EE's but not nearly as many as last year.
Although we could have just as many enroll early as last year.
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I think nine current non-seniors will leave before opening day 2012
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I think he may be only counting transfers, not early NFL guys.
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Does this mean Aguayo will red shirt?
Doesn’t really make sense to burn a year of eligibility if he isn’t going to be punting
could be, and focus only on kicking
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And hitting the weight room, since Aguayo will be playing some DT
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Idk where you got that info, but I haven't heard any indication that he would even be considered in the DT rotation.
All signs point towards DE from what I hear
DE? You CANNOT be serious
He’s got the frame to carry three hundy and provide great functional depth at DT. Besides, we have Fowler/Casher/Edwards coming in.
DE…das some crazy talk.
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I dont think he has the hips to play DT
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by SteadfastNole on Jun 19, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait when did he become a DT
I thought he was going to be a hybrid CB/Safety/LB/Coach
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Newberry, dawg.
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Have to....
Why would we carry a backup kick to burn a year of eligibility behind DHop. Makes no sense. I’ve got no problem taking a punter here, but we only need two guys on the active roster so to speak.
Think they want RA to focus only on kicking?
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I would imagine so. Like you always say, you want to maximize numbers.
Staff must not have faith in Aguayo’s punting abilities, which makes me wonder why they didn’t take Beatty this year and wait till next cycle for a kicker.
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I have confirmed he does plan to early enroll.
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Something else: Beatty has a 4.0 GPA. Getting him in will help with FSU’s APR score which is close to a level where opponents will negatively recruit against the Seminoles with the APR score as ammunition.
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Third question.
Could the staff be thinking “we may not be able to get as a good a kicker as aguayo or as good a punter as beatty in 2013, so take them both now.” ?
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Maybe. I don't know how to evaluate kickers.
I honestly just thought they were a dime a dozen. Not to say that there isn’t significant importance to the position, but that there were plenty of great kickers in the nation that FSU could recruit one. Maybe I need to rethink the importance of recruiting kickers.
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this kid kicks it pretty far and seems once he works on his kicks he's got more left in the tank
he barely uses 1/2 of the kicking motion. His foot should end up on the follow through up by his shoulder or head. He’s almost pooch kicking all of them in that video
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by SteadfastNole on Jun 19, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm glad he can do that, but doesn't Gran prefer that we don't outkick our coverage?
You can kick it 70 yards, but if your coverage can’t get to him, doesn’t he have a lot of room to run?
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I meant more hang time
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by SteadfastNole on Jun 19, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh... gotcha.
I trust our staff. Just a little confusing.
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Take some of that length and turn it into height I would guess.
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Oh dear.
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Does that lower or raise the TMI?
by Nolesos Locos on Jun 19, 2011 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Put faster guys on the coverage team?
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I have no evaluating skills what so ever
but is his hang time very good or is that something that is easily worked with? I figure that is just about if not more important than the distance of a punt
about 4.5 seconds is considered pretty good. he's close to 4 seconds on some of those kicks
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by SteadfastNole on Jun 19, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you also have to remember he was the qb so he shortened his distance from the center to confuse the D.
that’s why he’s got an abreviated follow through.
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by SmoothCrimiNole on Jun 19, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That has to be part of it
They both have ridiculously strong legs. Kid has been punting for 8 months and had 4 punts of 60 yards or better.
I haven't read up, but does anyone know when he got his offer?
Like you said, maybe he’s a rare phenom the staff didn’t want to pass up. Marginally he’s that much better than the next option.
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Got his offer yesterday
Must’ve liked what they saw in person
You thinkin he showed up
And just kicked some absolute bombs that made the other punting prospects take off their gold shoes and go home?
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by CornNole on Jun 19, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha
I don’t know, but whatever he did warranted a commitable offer for a punter, so it must have been impressive.
No kidding.
In a class when numbers matter, to be a PUNTER, and get a commitable offer on the spot?
Yeah. He must’ve done something special.
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by CornNole on Jun 19, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He broke his foot off in Jody Allen's ass on his 1st attempt....
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by DRusso97 on Jun 20, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think that would qualify him for a well-earned medical DQ
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
So he was at the camp?
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That HAS factor in.
Same thing with the TE recruitment.
Need? Check
Prospects with Talent? Check
Do they want in? Check
boom goes the dynamite
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Perhaps Aguayo is better than any of the 2013 prospects they're aware of.
And they can just redshirt him so it’s like he’s a 2013 prospect? Just speculation.
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Pfft, many, many hours late on this comment.
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I think anyone who said they saw this coming was lying.
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so our class could consist of 2 kickers, 2 tight ends, 2 qbs
don’t think anyone had that in their mock classes… guess thats what we get for making them in June lol
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I think if we played mock draft like we play march madness, this would be the bracket killer for everyone.
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Very much like my CWS bracket
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TWSS
And I actually laughed at this one unlike most of them.
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Also, some of those punts were done with his QB knee brace on. Interesting.
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He seems to make great contact while not fully extending his legs right before the kick.
If he works on getting the ball in better position to be kicked correctly it should help the leg extension and a more fundamental punt. He’s got a lot to work with, a home-run type punter not finesse.
by bobbysura on Jun 19, 2011 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
And thankfully someone who has punted or sounds like he has punted chimes in.
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Wait...what?
I thought you were a punter in high school?
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I used to kick footballs over mountains. No big deal.
by bobbysura on Jun 19, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So all touchbacks but no reliability to pin within the 5?
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Hmm...
He must have a very powerful leg, because his form isn’t spot on. He drives quickly to the ball, but has no follow through. If he can add a follow through, he’ll be able to get more air under the ball, and it may help add some power, too.
Granted, I was a goalie and only worried about punting soccer balls, but I would assume the motions would translate.
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and I agree- He has raw, perhaps poor technique with no leg extension or follow though. It looks almost as if he’s quick kicking, and .he is still getting 35 yard /kick or more. Imagine what he will be able to do with a year of good coaching. More intriguing is the fact he was a QB. I guess the Punt Rooskie returns to Tally.
by realnole1128 on Jun 19, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
The key here
is the EE factor with good grades. Means there is time to work on deficiencies with technique & a boon to APR as the transition from previous staff with attrition finally wanes
I guess if we need one this year or next
One can redshirt and we still have what we need. Maybe we lost some kids we would have taken and their is no one else we will take for xx position so we just grab him this year with the extra scholly since next years talent looks better then this years so we can grab an extra next year. A multitude of reasons. But if we needed one this or next then I rather just grab them. Maybe one redshirts, I am not really sure. But it doesnt really mater muh when we were going to have to get one next year anyway. Just a matter of what year do you want to use the scholly up on. If this year is going to be getting the majors that we want and a very similar line of players for the majority while next cycle their will be much more a a seperation fro top to bottom they figure just grab him. Dont think it matter one way or the other. If coaches like him. They they like him. With all the speed on ST with our recruits latel maybe a kid that hits bombs and a team that gets downfeild is something they figure an extra 5 or 7 yeards per punt per game will certainly add up.
In other words. No idea. But dont see it mattering much if its this year or next.
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My inside source just told me that Beatty is an extemely proficient jump passer.
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by CornNole on Jun 19, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Some of you are acting like we
shouldn’t be offering scholarships for a punter.
What are you glorifying with your life?
seriously though
whenever I see the punter on the field, all he ever does is give away the ball to the other team. its like an automatic possession for the other team
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by SteadfastNole on Jun 19, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Im really excited about this.
I love having a great kicker.
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One other thought that popped in my head was...
what if Dustin is drafted after this year? I doubt it but you never know. Dustin’s got a big leg as we all know and has shown he can kick’em through the uprights to win a game. The staff may want to make sure Aguayo can concentrate on kicking and kick offs while Cason handles punting.
by SeminoleDynastyMP on Jun 19, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions
He'd have to apply to the draft, of course
but I know of only one other kicker to apply for early entry to the draft who wasn’t prompted by academic/eligibility issues.
But he was also an FSU kicker.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He also won two grozas
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by SteadfastNole on Jun 19, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
QB + Punter
I love fake punts!!!!!
by Pcolanole on Jun 19, 2011 6:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Not just QB + punter
don’t forget that some teams, college and pros, use the punter to hold the ball on fieldgoal attempts. So not only QB + punter, but FG holder/qb.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimbo made the correct decision here
You can never be sure about the availability of good specialists. Take ’em when you can get ’em.
with Hopkins back in 2012
Let Beatty and Aguayo compete for punter in 2012, redshirt the other, and have Beatty punt and Aguayo kick in 2013.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Kid for only a 17 yo
Could def end up being 6-4 240 + by the time he is finished @ FSU
I punted at STA while I was in HS
First of all, I don’t think we should ever “save” a scholarship for a dual threat kicker. Believe it or not, kicking powerfully and technically sound takes a lot of energy out of a leg over the course of a practice/game. No, kickers don’t do a lot but when they do, they do it forcefully if its not a chip shot. Kicking a field goal, a kickoff, and punting a ball all require different motions of the leg through different planes. It is better to be technically sound in a kicker’s respective area rather than to cross train in the college and pro ranks. Yes you can have a beast like Graham Gano, but it is better to have a set kicker and a set punter.
The first thing I notice right away in the very first punt is that he is very tight in the leg. He needs more flexibility. He also drops the ball very close to his body as well as low. The ball should be held straight out at nipple height, directly over the knee. The ball should float slightly forward out of his hand to meet his plantar-flexed foot as his leg comes up. He should not wait for the ball to fall to his foot. He should also keep his head down as he kicks and not look straight up at it to see where it is going. It seems as soon as the ball touches his foot, he looks up to see where it went. BAD. See Dustin Hopkins game winning kick against Clemson last season. He doesn’t immediately look up to see if it is going in. He waits until he is fully through his motion. That is just proper technique. The longer the steps he takes, the less power he is going to get into his punts. Short steps=Distance. Long strides=pooch punt for height. This isn’t everything about punting, just a few impressions for you guys. Nole holds barred analysis baby. Any questions about kicking, please let me know.
by FSnowUknow on Jun 19, 2011 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
This. Also, his approach looks very rushed due to the crappy snaps and blocking, so that could be contributing to his quick get off and stunted follow through. Like others have said, that motion tends to cause low and usually shitty punts. The fact that he can bomb these with the mechanics he has is very impressive. Stiffness also could be a cause of some of that, but with a college strength and conditioning program that should all be worked out. Also, even if he can’t pat his back with his foot after being in the program for a year, technique will help him get rid of some of the issues with hangtime. Dropping the ball from higher up will cause the ball to be hit higher in the kickers upswing, which will lead to higher trajectory and a pooch punt, while still kicking with full power. All in all, a highschooler that is rattling off 60 yarders with that type of technique screams potential. And we have one of the best ST coaches in the nation.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
by RollNole5 on Jun 19, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I haven't been around recently..
but I totally agree.
He looks so stiff with his follow through. He bring his body down to his leg rather than swinging through and extending the leg. Plus, he is relatively slow getting the ball off his foot, due to his long stride length. While the average for his punts is long, he doesn’t get great hang time. That distance is probably falsely elevated by the distance the ball rolls after it drops. Watch the tape again, a lot of the yardage is the ball favorably bouncing forward. I don’t want to be entirely negative about this kid because it seems that he has the ability to improve. Plus, he has another year of high school football to work out some of these issues. Flexibility, particularly in the hamstrings and hips take a long time to develop. Plus, getting flexible is not typically a priority of a high school football player. They want to get the strength up, which unfortunately will result in a lack of flexibility.
Granted, the snaps he is receiving are terrible. But, if he really is a novice punter and he is getting that much distance with brute force alone, one can only hope with great coaching and improved flexibility, that the ball will fly off his foot. Plus, he is going to get better snaps. I was a long snapper back in the day, and it really isn’t as easy as it looks to be reliable and accurate. A mediocre long snapper can really cause significant issues.
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247 says he just started working with a kicking coach and has only been punting for 8 months. I hope he has improved a lot since the tape.
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by Bud Elliott on Jun 20, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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After looking over this one more time, I have to disagree with you on the height of his drop. I went to Ray Guy kicking camp in HS (kicking nerd!) and was taught to hold the ball at hip height, extended out parallel to the ground, with the nose of the ball slightly tilted in. Tilting the ball in will cause the ball to mold to your foot and if you come through the ball cleanly with a fully extended foot and hit it in the bone at the middle of the top of your foot, you will produce a tight spiraling punt that will add a good deal of distance to the kick. Holding the ball at nipple height will cause you to kick the ball with lots of air under it and will be sacrificing some distance. This is why flexibility is so important, because you need that on the upswing to be an elite punter. Putting your foot by your ear gives you the trajectory to hit the ball 60 yards while having 5 seconds of hangtime. Otherwise you are stuck hitting 35 yard punts with 4 seconds of hangtime. I also think that he does a fine job of keeping his head down through contact. Like everyone has said repeatedly, his flexibility needs tons of work and I’m sure the coaches saw this and saw it was something they could correct.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
by RollNole5 on Jun 20, 2011 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It all depends on who taught you.
Obviously there is no ONE way to kick a ball. But since we were both punters, let’s collaborate. I was a kicking nerd as well and the camp you attended was a good one. Let me ask you a question, and this is not to discredit you. I want to know you and Ray’s views. Why bring the ball down to such a level just to kick it back up? Usually you want to catch the snap out in front of you around stomach to chest level (if your snapper is legit), as bringing it into you chest is wasted motion and time to get the kick off asap. I used to tilt the ball slightly in too but then usually, I tended to point my toe inwards to chase the path of the ball and more times than not, didn’t get a clean punt off. I found that holding the ball straight (nose of ball in palm, fingers under ball) with a slighttttttt inwards tilt gave the best results of ball control and limited movement on the “table”. Sometimes holding the nose of the ball for me didn’t give me enough secure grip, hence going away from that technique.
Ps
I was taught to hold the ball at a low hip level whenever punting in a windy environment, especially into the wind, so that there was little movement of the football between the drop/float of the ball and the contact of the foot.
PPS
My kicking coach graduated from FSU lmao
Who was that?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
I don't think he kicked for FSU, but he graduated from FSU
Tim Conrad. One of the best kicking specialist coaches in Florida and the country. He holds a kicking camp at FSU. He has produced an all-state kicker/ punter for the past like 15 years or something. He coached Wes Byrum who just graduated from Auburn (kicked in national championship)/beat UF at UF his freshman year. That’s my boy hah. Tim’s website can be found at www.bigfootkicking.com. He also coaches Marshall Morgan, the kid we had the chance to have. I believe Conrad is also Marshall’s high school coach at McCarthy.
I also trained with Mike McCabe because he was my little league Coach
He had a very short stint in the NFL. He has also produced many top kickers in the country. When I kicked with him, I trained with Brian Monroe of UM/San Diego CHargers, Jon Peattie of UM, Garrett Hartley of OU/New ORleans Saints, Pat McAfee of WVU/Indianapolis Colts Super Bowl Winner, Freddie Capshaw of UM/St. Louis Rams, Eric Wilbur of UF/NY Jets, and Matt Bosher of UM.
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Some kickers train with both Tim Conrad and Mike McCabe
Like myself, Wes Byrum, Brett Swenson and Mickey Groody
Most of keeping it low was to eliminate the drop distance so you could get clean contact, much like you talked about with punting in a windy environment. Also, like you said I think good snappers are supposed to aim at the belly button area or so (not that I ever got any like that in HS lol), so keeping it at hip level would just involve extending it out and down a slight bit, and it would seem that bringing it up to the chest would be further?
I definitely didn’t tilt the ball in all that much, bc like you said it can be a bit of a mindf*ck, but the slight tilt definitely aided in spiraling the ball.
As far as grip I think that as long as you could consistintly drop the ball without having the nose drop or raise up, the technique wasn’t too rigidly enforced. I would hold it with the nose in the palm two fingers under, middle finger at the midline of the ball and index on upper half of the ball, which sounds like what you were describing. Holding too far on the end of the ball can lead to bad grip like you said and a greater likelihood that the nose will dip since you are controlling less of the ball.
And the previous posts weren’t in anyway trying to discredit you either. Like you said, there isn’t one way to kick the ball, and with film as grainy as that, its impossible to tell what is going on fully. I thought you were spot on with most everything you said.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Also regarding the height of the drop, I was taught for pooch punts you don’t kick any softer, you just hole the ball higher and swing your leg normally, so you hit the ball farther in your up swing with a steeper trajectory, so the hip area was for speed, limiting drop distance, and maximizing the trajectory of the punt.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Did anyone else notice chest height being referred to as nipple height?
Made me chuckle…so immature.
by moneyNOLE24 on Jun 20, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The chest is a general area
Nipple is specific ;)
When i said cherry-picking
Didn’t think it whould be a punter from NC… What the hell is this… Seems like a stretch to me. smh#
does it matter where he is from?
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this guy wouldn't be in Tally this fall anyway
so if Powell needs replacing in 2011, it would be by a walk-on or summer scholarship offer. Powell is also in his fifth year this fall, so it is not like he could medically hardship this fall.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Jun 19, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud
No, it doesn’t. Was going off of what i said in the other post . The cherry-picking comment. How we can now pick and choose talent from other states. Believe, were at a point where we can pull 3 or 4 big time recruits from anywhere in the country.
That comment, in NO way, answered Bud's question.
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He didnt actually reply to Bud
if we are being technical. Since he replied to rsp, it is arguable (since his response was not apropos of anything in particular, that he was using the term of endearment Bud to rsp.
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Trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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you know youre in deep as a fan....
when you start analyzing film from a HS punter….funny my wife knew that a year ago when I was turned on to TN
You think this caters to the idea of competition at every position?
Aguayo and him push each other. However, it still ends up being one as kicker & one as punter. Or one GAM takes both.
For a team with a disappointing kicking history...
…I’d say we’re in no position to complain about great kicking talent (punter, kicker, whatever). Great get for us – we don’t want to have an elite team that is held back by something so often overlooked like punting (field position is huge, but we all know that).
I’m intrigued by the part about him also playing QB. This could make for some interesting trick plays if necessary.
by VPNole09 on Jun 19, 2011 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Werent we all very surprised on our fake kick?
Havent seen one of those in a while lol.
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by numberonenole on Jun 20, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
If only having 2 Groza winners with 3 Grozas between them is "a disappointing kicking history",
Then every school in the nation BLOWS. FSU is the ONLY program to do that in all of CFB history, and we’ve done it in the 20 years since Wide Right 1.
Our fans really need to get their perceptions of our kicking game shaped by something other than Wide Right 1 & 2.
FSU has literally had THE BEST kicking program in the nation over the last 20 years.
No school has had a kicking game any better than we have-NOBODY.
And it’s about time our fans recognized that fact.
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by Dogrel on Jun 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This made me smile. People do really remember what might of been rather than what is.
by FSU on Jun 20, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I actually think some of that infamy
helps us out. Confident kids see the perception and think, “I’ll show you wide right.”
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I remember when we got Jano
After the missed FG we seemed like we searched the world for a kicker that would make sure it didnt happen again. And if not for WR1 and 2 and a WL in their. I think we never would have focused on a kicker as strongly as we did and made it such an important point to make sure we had good kickers punters and as said above have been great ever since. Blessing in disguise 20 years later.
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You gotta think Hopkins has a great shot at winning one in the next two years, too.
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My good friend who kicked for UGA was actually over earlier with his son. Txt him the link and he laughed but hes going to let me know what he thinks.
I didnt kick at all in school but am I the only one who thinks the kid has a LEG?!
Some of those punts were absolute bombs!!
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wow I feel stupid
It took me a while to figure out that Cason Beatty attends Olympic High School and that he is not an athlete in a new sport called Olympic High Punting
One day after being offered by Florida State, Olympic High punter Cason Beatty committed to the Seminoles, Olympic coach Barry Shuford told the Observer.
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by NorFla_Nole on Jun 20, 2011 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Based on the Spring Game...
Based off what I saw from the walk-ons in the spring game I’m GLAD Jimbo & Co. went out & got the best available player to prep for the future or fill that role should Powell go down. Remember when Powell wasn’t very good & Graham Gano had to perform both duties it wore him out during games.
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by HereWeGoAgain! on Jun 20, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions
I'm thinking...
Once the O-line gels & offense clicks in fall camp we won’t have much need for a punter just a place-kick holder!! This kid will be able to red-shirt and perfect/speed up his delivery.
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by HereWeGoAgain! on Jun 20, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
oops...
I got excited and forgot that S.P. is a raising senior. Take out the comment about “or fill that role should Powell go down”
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by HereWeGoAgain! on Jun 20, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
You got that right
I was watching them warm up and, said to a friend that if Powell got hurt, we might as well go for it on 4th down.
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Well Powell won't be here next year (2012) so Beatty could start immediately.
And all I’ll say about those walk ons is that we really, really need Powell healthy.
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Glad we got a punter. Do not like our field goal kicker doing both if can help it.
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