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Sean Maguire Florida State Quarterback Commitment

Sean Maguire, a quarterback recruit from Seton Hall Prep in West Orange, New Jersey committed to the Florida State Seminoles Wednesday night.  Maguire is 6'2" or 6'3" and about 200 pounds.  He has a pretty big arm and decent athleticism.  Sean Maguire also has a good attitude and good grades.  Here's some notes from one of our readers who coaches on the high school level:

1. arm strength - Sean Maguire has it
2. smarts - 3.6 GPA
3. good feet - watch how he plants off the play actions, he keeps a good base
4. make throws - he's not a slinger, he just can make lots of different throws.

On his release: watch the throws at 2:03, 2:23, 2:33 and on from there. He throws like many qbs are taught now; Watch Tom Brady and Rodgers, they keep the ball at their chest and throw from the shoulder. The Jeff Tedford, keep it by your ear method, isn't as effective and really only works for tall QBs. Manning and Drew Brees (I know Brees is short) are really the only QBs that do that still. He occasionally does a Phillip Rivers like fling, but isn't a Tebow-like, and it can be fixed. He's a high school senior, not a contender for the NFL draft.

Don't get me wrong Sean Maguire isn't a 5 star, but the kid is a player. He won't have a chance to see the field for at least 3 years. You fix his release, which will only make his arm even stronger.

Kid has an arm, smarts, no ego, strong work ethic, and wants to be a 'Nole.  

Maguire is not particularly well known recruit at this point, holding offers only from Florida State and Buffalo.  But that hasn't stopped Jimbo Fisher from jumping on a prospect early in the past.  Last year Fisher took the commitment of Jacob Coker despite the fact that Coker only had offers from Arkansas State and Duke.  That move turned out great as other major programs realized what they missed and soon began to offer Coker.  It's a good bet that Maguire's stock will also rise.  The question is how much.

The quarterback position is about ability, no doubt, but it is also in large part about maturity, composure, and mental aspects that are very difficult for someone like us to evaluate.  Thanks to NCAA rules limiting contact and practice time, the quarterback must be an extension of the coaching staff, and everyone seems to think Maguire will be a hard worker and do just that.  

I'll add that teams have definitely won the national title with much lesser talents at quarterback than Maguire.  That said, he probably does not profile as a superstar.

FSU was not desperate to get a quarterback commitment and the only reason the staff would extend a committable offer at this time is if they were confident in Sean Maguire.  It just doesn't make sense to go several thousand miles to offer a kid who has only been offered by Buffalo, unless the staff really feels like it has the jump on other teams here.  He was receiving attention from Alabama as well.  Boston College, Maryland, N.C. State, and Tennessee.

Importantly, he has already visited Tallahassee and that likely means Jimbo and co. were confident he can handle the mental aspect of the college game (through working him out on the white board and talking with him).

Here's his tape:

FSU could still take another quarterback in this class, and it is important to note that Maguire is not afraid of competition (unlike some other high profile quarterbacks who throw a hissy fit about possibly having to compete for the job).

Maguire is FSU's 10th commitment of the 2012 class.  The 'Noles should again have a top-10 class and potentially in the top-5.

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The more i watch his film the more im impressed.

He seems to put the ball where its favorable for his receivers. He also extends the play with his legs to PASS and is able to absorb some contact to finish the play.

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Jun 2, 2011 6:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Because it needs to be addressed

Without clear heir to Manuel, isn’t this the ideal year to get an elite qb? Why did we offer Maguire this early?

by Cheaptalk on Jun 2, 2011 6:33 AM EDT reply actions  

In the Game of (End)Zones

You win or you die. There is no middle ground.

by Invictus13 on Jun 2, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

TWIS

2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!

by Scalpemall on Jun 2, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So funny how popular that series has become

I read those books years ago and always received some strange looks when I would recommend them to anyone since they are in the fantasy/sci-fi genre.

by BenDNole on Jun 2, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are quite good books.

The HBO series is solid, but necessarily lacks the depth of the (voluminous) novels.

by Invictus13 on Jun 2, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I listened to the first audiobook driving to South Florida and back for work

36 hours never went by so fast. It must have felt like 20 lol.

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by freshcollegeboy on Jun 2, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not forget that Ponder was a 3-star QB

Stop getting hung-up on recruiting rankings, there are plenty of 5-star bust out there every year. You look for a kid that will fit your program, has the necessary skills and is coachable. This coaching staff has not only been great recruiters but they have done an excellent job in player evaluation and for that I trust their judgement. Plus, QB’s are Jimbo’s projects, and if he believes in the kid, that’s all that matters.

by Ken Pace on Jun 2, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

On the whole stars most definitely matter

but I would say that QB is a somewhat special case since Jimbo is so adept at finding the right guys.

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by freshcollegeboy on Jun 2, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

QBs are a special case b/c

development/coaching matters more for QBs than any other position. How’s our QB coach?

Championship!

by TLHWG on Jun 2, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

average at best

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by freshcollegeboy on Jun 2, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fisher is still effectively the QB/OC

Pretty sure he is considered an elite QB coach. While Craig doesn’t have a ton of experience he is a hell of a recruiter and has the potential to be an elite QB coach.

by FSUAlum04 on Jun 2, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

where’s the sarcasm button?

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by freshcollegeboy on Jun 2, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna just put this here

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by Dogrel on Jun 6, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don’t forget about McElroy at Alabama. Not a highly touted qb out of high school, but still won the National Championship on a great team.

by Criminole11 on Jun 2, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is the exception rather than the rule

the qb is most important position in sports… the vast majority of successful teams have very good QBs

by newdynastynole on Jun 2, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends on how you define "very good quarterbacks."

While having a quarterback that can take over the game is one way to win in college foootball, you do not need that kind of a quarterback to win. In college, you can win with a quarterback that is accurate and does not make dumb mistakes. especially if you have elite skill around him (or if you are McElroy, you have the best defense and runningback in college football on your side).

by nolesontop on Jun 2, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

most teams that have had success in recent years have been “franchise” quarterbacks… meaning headliners at the position, being one of, if not the best players on the team.. mcelroy is the exception (along with a few others)

by newdynastynole on Jun 2, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But is the "franchise" qb a result of the team

Some very good college QB because they have great WR, OL, and a running game. Where the same QB falters on a team without that. Why some great college QB never faired well in the NFL or ever really made it while others that were in mediocre programs became great

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ken Dorsey was an average college QB who has once-in-a-generation talent to make him look good.

OK, maybe not once in a generation…..because Gino-F’n-Toretta won a damn Heisman.
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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Need to change your sig line, D.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He says some outlandish shi

On twitter. But somehow I reply to him and have had suggestions that “I” go to far….well not really lol.

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait....who told you THAT??

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did there...

…And I maintain that my comment about Mel Kiper was both PG-13(ish), AND hilarious.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you cannot see the importance of an elite qb then i cant help you

yes there will always be a “game manager” at qb who can lead a team to a championship… but for every trent dilfer, there are 4 peyton mannings…

ken dorsey, was a great college qb – regardless of the level of talent he had around him… i cannot spend the time to go back and look up every qb in recent times… but a quick browse through my memory banks = carson palmer twice , vince young, tim tebow, chris weinke, cam newton, josh heupel, chris leak who was a 5 star recruit) not to mention elite players like sam bradford who lost….

again QB is widely considered the most important position in SPORTS… with the amount of talent we are bringing in, we can def win with a game manager type, but that does not mean a game manager type is beneficial…

by newdynastynole on Jun 2, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manning never won a National Title.

Tee Martin did. Yes Vince Young, Tebow, and Newton won titles. But so did McElroy, Weinke, Matt Flynn, Josh Heupel, and Matt Leinart had Reggie Bush and LenDale White. So in college no you don’t need the elite QB. Palmer never won a title either. Chris Leak was a 5* Recruit but was no elite QB. Elite College QB could mean mediocre NFL QB. You don’t need NFL Talent to win a college title.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need a great team, favorable schedule and luck to win a title. Great QB play makes it a lot easier to meet criteria #1.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Just stating that having an elite QB does not win you a title. If you have an elite QB but none of those things then you are not going to win a title. If you have Josh Heupal and all those other things, you will win a title.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 2, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

i mentioned manning and dilfer because they are widely known qb’s who are relevant to this debate… nothing about their collegiate performances..
weinke was a great college qb, as was leinart and heupel.. just because they didnt succeed in the nfl does not minimize their performances in college… those teams won because of their qb’s not in spite of them

by newdynastynole on Jun 3, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

IMO the most important position in SPORTS, (caps yours),

is Pitcher. When we say “position”, that must include starter, middle releiver and closer as a unified position.

A. I think that you went too far with your thought.

2. However, if you limit the concept to college football, then I agree.

D. I trust Jimbo’s judgment.

by Nole75 on Jun 3, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

A. i capitalized sports intentionally because that is widely considered to be the case… although obviously other intelligent people have differing opinions
2. see above
D. i never said anythign about jimbo’s judgment, nor did i say anything negative about maguire or his commitment… i was simply stating that a “game manager” qb wins less often than an elite qb (but obviously talent at other positions is also required)
Zebra. while i trust jimbo’s talent evaluation and ability to coach, we cannot sit here on a daily basis and talk about how stars/recruiting matter and then when we get a lower rated recruit, we say our coaches are the only ones to be able to find diamonds in the rough every recruiting cycle.
Garnet. that being said … i really hope we get winston and/or maguire is a stud :)

by newdynastynole on Jun 3, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

What Dorsey lacked in physical tools

he made up for between the ears (insert big ear joke here). That is an often overlooked aspect of quarterbacking in college. That’s why Cam Newton will flame out while Christian Pionder will have a solid career.

by Nole Resurrected on Jun 2, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What he lacked was made up for by future

pro-bowlers.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dorsey just retired fro pro football. CFL, but still....

Lots of people that follow Miami are screaming to bring him as a QB coach. I think Dorsey could make a good assistant someday. He knows the game.

by Nole Resurrected on Jun 2, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always seemed like a smart guy.

Wouldn’t surprise me if he became a fine coach. As a player, he was overrated. Sometimes QB’s get too much blame, sometimes too much credit. He was #2.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

double meaning rec

#2, eh?

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's currently coaching back at my high school

at Lakewood Ranch High in Bradenton.. team is never any good but that’s where he was last I heard. Right down the road from our beloved PDub who’s at a more well known southeast

by swag surfin on Jun 2, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Coker not that guy?

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vid looks pretty good to me.

Makes me wonder if there are no good QB evaluators in the NE. It’s actually refreshing to see a QB reel where the kid is making all the throws, and not just demonstrating his legs and the jump ball.

by jasonole59 on Jun 2, 2011 7:04 AM EDT reply actions  

How many

good college teams are there in NE…..or college teams period….UConn, Syracuse, BC, Buffalo. Am I missing any D-1 at least?

by RANOLE on Jun 2, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Da U!

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey hey easy on the NE

We have Rutgers, Army, and great pizza!

by fsucj2431 on Jun 2, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Hating

on NE. I lived in Connecticut for a while back in the 80s, but college football there is just not on the level it is here in the south. Pats, Sox, Celts, Bruins rule there. I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant # of college football fans in that area are transplants.

by RANOLE on Jun 2, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right. I actually rooted for ND as a kid....maybe just because I was catholic for a little while.
but college football there is just not on the level it is here in the south.

I cannot imagine anywhere in the south giving up on a football program less then a decade removed from national prominence…a la Hofstra.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just so we're clear, my NE was aimed at the Northeast.

It seems as if your NE is referring to New England. As a New Yorker I call your post blasphemous and reiterate how great our pizza is.

by fsucj2431 on Jun 2, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

....Except for Famiglia's on 50th/Broadway.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Richard.

>: )

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by DRusso97 on Jun 3, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 3, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

New England was

what I was referring to, so you can add Yanks, Knicks, Jets and Giants. Can’t argue about the pizza though as my girlfriend lived in Brooklyn for a while and swears by the pizza particularly Sal’s.

by RANOLE on Jun 2, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

New York is not NE

NE serves no purpose. NY is the greatest city on earth

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by caine115 on Jun 3, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The TRUTH.........FTW!!!!!

Or, as we say it:
“Da troof………fuh da win, SON!!!”

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by DRusso97 on Jun 3, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"It's a good bet that Maguire's stock will also rise. The question is how much."

I wonder if there will be a Ponder Effect, and if Jimbo’s second 1st-round QB will affect how people view the QBs he offers.

by Invictus13 on Jun 2, 2011 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree...

I think we’ll start reaping some rewards of respect in recruiting… sorry for the alliteration.

by burkenole on Jun 2, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think where he plays makes him a bit of an unknown as well

If he played in Florida or Texas he would prob be more recognized. And with a few years to fix that release he could be good. Seems like the offense is not an easy high school but a bit more complex. As long as he gets that throwing angle a bit higher at only 62-3 he will be fine. Thats years away. If not your prob looking at a lot of tipped balls. Now that he committed by the end of his senior year I bet he as multiple offers even just based on Jimbo’s evaluation. I like the tape. he made all different throws. Including some on the run

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

New Jersey has created a lot of talent lately. Too bad for their state teams they never stay.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 2, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks promising

Kid has got a great looking arm and quick release, I also like how he puts the ball in a position of advantage to the reciever. Excited about the athletes FSU is finding and getting on campus.

Paddle faster boys!

by Eat_more_gater on Jun 2, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

He gets an auto 1/2 star bump

Just cause Jimbo offered him. Seriously.

by rabidnole21 on Jun 2, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I laugh everytime I see it

Go Go Gata Edumication

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This never gets old. I'll rec'd this every time I see it.

Go Gata!

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shirts for the UF game this year

featuring Corrine Brown? Oh, I think so

by NeuroNole on Jun 3, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I could rec this twice

I would.

"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"

by 06N0LE on Jun 2, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need.

That’s the first time I’ve seen that one. Priceless.

by Nole Resurrected on Jun 2, 2011 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

One more block checked

on your ’Nole indoctrination sheet.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Change is..........inebbitabull.

INEBBITABULL!!!!!!

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

one more time?

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

INNNEBBBITTTABULLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by DRusso97 on Jun 3, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

doood, where you been?

Granted, I grew up in Jacksonville and had to see her advertisements and occasional public rantings all the time. Her district is perhaps the most ridiculously gerrymandered (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd?state=FL&district=3), and my neighborhood isn’t that close to her district but somehow she still ended up giving a little speech one day to the upper level social science classes. They asked for questions but I don’t remember her saying anything coherent to ask a question about, and the most interested kids were some jokester libertarians (I’m pretty sure they were only liberts cuz that was the party for weed and guns) that tried to ask something funny about socialism or something.

Anyway, I thought everybody in Florida knew ol’ Corrine, even before the hilarious video got posted.

by stevib on Jun 2, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in South Ga.

She sounds like our Cynthia McKinney/Hank Johnson district up in Atlanta. Do a youtube search of Hank Johnson. Guam may tip over.

by Nole Resurrected on Jun 3, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

The first video I found of McKinney makes her seem like a stand up legislator and nothing like Brown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL—vSsA

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by tricknole on Jun 4, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

scroll down

anyone who is welcomed on Alex Jones’ show is a crackpot in my book

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 4, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alex Jones = Glen Beck

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by DRusso97 on Jun 5, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beck isnt that bad, he is occasionally right and far less crazy

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Beck might be one of the 5 worst living people in the world

this is not up for discussion.

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by Miaminole on Jun 5, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What a statement, Miami.

Not to pick on you but, there are over 6 billion people in the world. You’ve narrowed the list down from there to five? You used the word “might”, which indicates you haven’t even made up your own mind. And this is a discussion board where anybody is free to submit their opinion.

So….“not up for discussion” seems like a crazy statement to me.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 5, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, All politics aside

To say that Beck might be one of the 5 worst living people in the world. And it not being up for discussion is actually 100% true statements based on the variables used in that post. It is 100% true that he may in fact be one of the worst 5 people in the world. Many people think he is. Many don’t. But he just MIGHT be in the top 5. And using the word MIGHT would mean that it really isn’t up for discussion. As unless their is proof hes not one of the worst 5. Then, by default its not up for discussion that he might be the person on the worst 5 person list. none of the statements say he is the worst 5 no questions. after the word might is used. It becomes a legit statement.

I am just here to stir the pot. But he does use a news venue to talk about the end of the world and all politicians who doesn’t agree with as being set with an agenda to make sharia law and the NWO take over the world. So he can in fact be one of the worst 5 and it isnt up for discussion. He could be number 1000 worst. but he could still make the discussion.

/DonePlayinDevilsAdvocateForALoon

And anyone that bashes the president from any party for not doing what they themselves thik is correct should run for president to make the world a better place if they think that many people agree with their being insane.

Again devils advocate.

I am actually enjoying Palin much more with her telling how Paul Revere rode through the night not to warn the Americans but the British that we were coming and they had nowhere to run to. And Bachmen telling how the shot heard wound the world was in NH and that the founding fathers worked day and night to hammer out a constitution to end slavery. Those to me are much much more exciting to know presidential hopefuls think the constitution and founding fathers wrote the constitution to end slavery after the shot herd round the world that happened in Concord and not in Boston. Always wondered why it was called the Boston Massacre. As an independent I would give my left testicle for a legit contender for the highest office that doesn’t think the constitution was to end slaver or that the shot hear round the world was in concord or that paul Reveres ride was to let th e British now they couldn’t run. Seriously. Did these people miss 4th grade?

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by caine115 on Jun 6, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Beck doesnt say any of those things, but ok. if you dont like him, thats fine, but give an honest reason for it. as far as being one of the worst people, he hasnt killed anyone or been responsible for it. he hasnt been responsible for any serious crime, actually. there are millions of people who have committed serious crimes, however, and i think that is a much worse person. but maybe that is just me.

so spare me the hyperbole, miaminole. i am not really a fan of Beck, but this is how you play devil’s advocate. i dont mind people being opinionated, but false hyperbole annoys me.

to say someone cant criticize the president or a party without running for president is like saying a coach is doing poorly without having coached (or attempted to coach) on that level: its just dumb.

as for gaffes: you mean like the guy who “remembered” watching FDR on TV during the stock market crash, when there were no TVs, FDR used radio, and Hoover was actually the president at the time? how about visiting 57 states (and planning to go to one more)? picking on a gaffe machine is childs play, and it isnt indicative of most politicians.

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by nole07 on Jun 6, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nole07

Im going to touch on your post in the one below to the person who says I have obviously never watched his show.

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by Miaminole on Jun 6, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was obvious hyperbole there

I thought.

On this fantastic forum, I dont think anything (other than Buds greatness based on that thread during the season) is above discussion. I even disagree that there is no place for bunting in baseball, crazy I know.

So yeah, I was talking big (for lack of ability to express myself better at the moment), but I do believe he is a terrible person, and with his soapbox, a dangerous one.

And in case there was a question, I am certainly not offended. I happen to think you are pretty hilarious and almost a suitable replacement for MattD since he has disappeared ;)

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by Miaminole on Jun 6, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I put too much thought into my comment

and the sarcasm was lost. I’ve gotten away from typing the first thing I think of.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 6, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should be like Bosh was last night

dont over think it, let muscle memory bring it home. You’re better than that.

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by Miaminole on Jun 6, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i see someone has never actually watched him

and instead takes their opinion from MSNBC. the things your competitors say are often only half true, so its best to get both sides before making a determination. if you have actually watched Beck (and not just cherry-picked clips), and you still believe that…wow, thats a ridiculous amount of hate for someone you dont know that has little to no effect on your life.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have watched Beck before. I am dumber for it.

It’s one thing to be stupid on your own (Dubya), but Fox employs some actually intelligent people who INTENTIONALLY dumb down their rhetoric to better suit their viewing audience. I’ve watched it.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 5, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

From that bastion of Left Wing Media that is Forbes Magazine

“I could give a flying crap about the political process….We’re an entertainment company.”
-Glenn Beck (Link)

C’mon guys. If you’re going to talk politics, at least center it around someone of substance.

With that said, I like Maguire’s film as well. But I can’t pretend that Winston isn’t my top target for the remainder of this recruiting cycle

by NeuroNole on Jun 6, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

how fun, I didnt realize you are the one who said I didnt watch

Well, this will be brief.

You want reasons? I think he is a fear monger. He preys on the ignorance of the people who watch him. I will say this, and there is no hyperbole, this is pure unfiltered belief on my part: IF you like Glenn Beck, there is something wrong with your views on quite a few issues, and I question how you process information. That is (to refer back to my original post on him) certainly up for discussion as far as being factual goes, but not in terms of my opinion.

When I worked at job X, the crappy boombox picked up reception from one station, so I used to listen to Limbaugh and Beck almost every day. On top of that I would occasionally catch Beck on CNN just to see what craziness was going on that day. Beck is (and this is the last time I preface its my opinion, anything that is not a concrete fact should be interpreted as such) someone who succeeds by peddling unreasonable fear. He is a snake oil salesman that makes this country more dangerous by spouting all of his asinine conspiracy theories.He has plenty of effect on my life. The country I love (not trying to be anything but sincere here) is being ripped apart because you have people like Glenn trying to be this divisive factor.

Lets also ignore the fact that he is the best I have ever seen at completely making up historical facts. Its incredible how he weaves between fact and fiction while weaving a clear picture on how Obama and anyone who voted for him hates America.

You want facts on his lies:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/29/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-claims-science-czar-john-holdren-propos/

Read that. That is one of my personal favorites. And just to throw a little spice on it, my favorite part was calling them czars. Lets touch on Middle Americas fear of the big bad russians.

There is countless other stuff on this guy, it just takes a 30 second search. I understand what you are saying about cherry picked clips, but when the total running time on those clips goes into multiple hours, its not really just cherry picking anymore.

His success isnt proof of being correct, it only confirms that there is a sucker born every minute, and they all watch his show ready to learn that days truths.

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by Miaminole on Jun 6, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

bwahaha

there are so many things wrong here, its best to stop.

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by nole07 on Jun 6, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I encourage you to do so then

Because I thought everything I wrote was, to be quite honest, fantastic.

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by Miaminole on Jun 6, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A broken clock is right twice a day.

Beck is to the right what Jones is to the left:
BATSH!T crazy……and more alike then people realize.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 5, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, and the whole 9/11 truther thing makes her look ridiculous

just because she has good grammar doesnt make her intelligent

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 4, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you think that Youtube clip made her look ridiculous?

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by tricknole on Jun 5, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

her little spiel about 9/11 government conspiracies does, yes

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're ignoring the first 3/4 of the clip.

And think her asking “Did the 4 schedule war games on September 11th affect our ability to respond to the terrorist attacks?” was a ridiculous. Got it.

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by tricknole on Jun 5, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you must have watched a different video entirely

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking about the video I linked to which you responded.

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by tricknole on Jun 5, 2011 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

and i am talking about a totally different one

like i said, scroll down on the search page to find it.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never replied to your "scroll down" comment.

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by tricknole on Jun 6, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

i posted one right after the other

it was included in both, but with the reply string they got separated.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 6, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec

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by DRusso97 on Jun 5, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that she has good grammar means she's nothing like Corrine Brown which is part of what I said.

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by tricknole on Jun 5, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

grammar, yes. stand-up legislator? not so much.

but both of them are an embarrassment to the position. and as politicians, that says a lot.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought asking who had the contracts, how long they've had the contracts, how much they had been paid, etc. were some pretty legit questions.

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by tricknole on Jun 5, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

but saying the president and VP both told people NOT to investigate

and then saying that they did so because money is more important than lives…thats not legit.

just asking questions is the same guise all conspiracy theorists use. that way, when they are wrong, they can say they never said it was true, they just asked questions about it. its a sham for making an accusation without having the proof to back it up.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

By that logic, Galileo should not have asked if the Earth in fact revolved around the sun and Columbus should not have asked if the world was actually round......before they could prove it?

Asking questions leads to investigation….which (hopefully) leads to answers.

This is true for anything that is unknown, from mathematics to criminal investigations. Cops ask a LOT of questions before they can prove anything.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 5, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

There have already been investigations into 9/11 myths. And the concept of a round earth was known well before Columbus’ time. Asking questions to create hysteria or misinform people is just as bad as a cover up.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Jun 5, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would venture to say I am closer to 9/11 then the VAST majority of people on TN, considering I live with an injured 1st responder.

I did not take sides in that debate, because it would just be deleted. You (collectively, not individually) are passing judgement on the intent of the questioner. My girl questions the “official” story…..anybody want to step up and tell me that she is trying to:

create hysteria or misinform people

??

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by DRusso97 on Jun 6, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody said asking questions is a bad thing

but nice takedown of that straw man. you kicked his butt.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He put up a fight....but I made him my bitch.

Hard to put an arm-bar on somebody with no elbow joints.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 6, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

its a sham for making an accusation without having the proof to back it up.

Truth.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Jun 5, 2011 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Her district made both parties happy.

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by tricknole on Jun 3, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dirka Dirka

hukt on fonix wurkt four me

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Durka…Durka?

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by Gulfport Nole on Jun 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

His recruiting profile reminds me of our Gray Crow

Minimal offers (Crow’s only other is NC State) but is willing to put in the work and not have a sky-high ego that needs to constantly be stroked.
Does this officially end the Chad Kelly to FSU campaign? I know we were done before we started.

by PSLCane on Jun 2, 2011 8:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Kelly will be at Clem$on

The writing is on the wall. I expect them to be good for a bit. they are great at pouring the Kool-Aid. If they had as good a coach they could be a bit scary. But some of the people they are taking could also cause a pretty big Hangover when all these recruits are the starters with ego problems and not wanting competition to start. Not to mention when the coach who made all these promises isnt even their by these kids Jr year should make them all wish they would have heeded advice. Competition makes you stronger

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly hope so

I love the idea that the rumor is FSU wouldn’t take Kelly’s committment, but they take McGuire’s a week later.

by LouC on Jun 2, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Where’d you hear that? (if you say here on the recruiting board, I’m going to slap myself very hard………………………………… figuratively.

by GradSchoolNole on Jun 2, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty clear that Kelly got angry when we posted the fanshot saying FSU planned to take 2 QBs and would still heavily pursue Winston.

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should tell everyone all they need to know

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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 2, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

With 20 million page views in under three years, when we post something it gets seen. Have to be careful what we post, but in this case it was the truth and was definitely known.

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo

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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Find it hard to believe that our staff wasn't

honest with Kelly in telling him that upfront. But maybe he didn’t truly believe it until he read it here…

by fsugrizz on Jun 2, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could definitely be it.

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not believing something til it's on TN....

maybe we can call that the “Heather Dinich” factor. We all know she reads TN before “creating” her blog posts about FSU.

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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 2, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont want to put ideas in his head

but Jimbo is consistently telling us he just recruits by being honest to the recruits. Here is FSU, this is what were gonna do either join us or thanks for your time. Really hard for me to believe that this was the FIRST time he’d heard we would take 2 qbs. If he shy’s away from competition now then he’ll shy away in the future. Good Talent but there are plenty of guys with good talent. Wish him the best just will laugh my rear off if he decides no to FSU to go somewhere and ends up having to compete ala Jaccobi Brisket, I mean, Brissett.

by fsugrizz on Jun 2, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read a thread on plantthespear.com......

And they got Chad Kelly’s reaction to Macguire’s commitment……..apparently he welcomes competition and hasn’t eliminated FSU from his list.

http://plantthespear.com/showthread.php?363-2012-QB-Chad-Kelly-s-Reaction-to-the-Maguire-Commitment

by NoleFanAtUCF on Jun 2, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy it. He'll be at Clemson and good luck to him there.

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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 2, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be shocked if he doesn't melt down in that environment

And by environment I mean any big-time Southern football crazy school like Alabama, FSU, Clemson, etc.

We’ll see I guess.

by LouC on Jun 2, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to clear up a VICIOUS rumor: I am not Chad Kelly.

…And I am he is not afraid of competition, nor do I did he read any article on TN.

I blame Nick O’Leary Volstud….

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

She reads TN

then says all things oppisite

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that is true.....

You guys should Troll her, she deserves it.

by Jturner01 on Jun 3, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

We know that something is just not true until it is posted by Bud…..

Florida IS the state of college football....And Tallahassee is its Capitol!!!!

by Mellocello63 on Jun 2, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud has become the Descarte of TN.

“I post therefore I am, (correct)”.

Once I was a Congregationialist. Now, after long reflection, (I joined Tn 9/09), I find that I am a Budhist.

by Nole75 on Jun 3, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many of those were by tricknole?

15M < x < 16M?

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

phenominal

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by RishiM on Jun 2, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud?

When we post something it gets seen. Have to be careful what we post, but in this case it was the truth and was definitely known.What happen to Nole-Holds-Barred Analysis of FSU Sports! “Have to be careful what we post.” Love what you do. That just caught me off gaurd.

by Fsu3211 on Jun 2, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fixed that for u

Pretty clear that Kelly got angry scared when we posted the fanshot saying FSU planned to take 2 QBs and would still heavily pursue Winston.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Jun 2, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, sir.

Understand that. My point was that Bud, was saying in that comment that maybe he had to be more careful of what he said. And that is where the Nole-Holds-Barred Analysis came from. Love Bud and all TN. Just caught me off gaurd.

by Fsu3211 on Jun 3, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I for one think this locks in a 5 star qb coming.

I look at it this way. A top qb were looking at now sees that he wont be going against another 5 star. He is looking at this guy like a clip board holding qb to help throw at drills. That takes a lot of pressure off of not seeing the field.

To me this is an awesome move for FSU.
 1- they got a quality kid with tons of upside.
 2- Winston is thinking that he can beat this guy out and be the guy etc.
 3- I have to trust CJF when he likes a qb. His history in college is awesome. Maybe unmatched in the last 10 years.

by pb4957 on Jun 2, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont agree with that

If you go to FSU you know you will have competition. Weather its the 4 or 5 star from the year before or the 4 or 5 star signed the year after you. ALL major upper tier schools will have competition at positions. Especially at QB. And a 5 star QB that signs at the same time as another 5 Star will only get better because of the competition. Being most redshirt and dont start till at least their third usually 4th year as a RS Jr. You can usually get an idea if you will be the next starter or are well behind your competition after a couple years and many may transfer. But I dont see a 5 star coming cause they think they will have less competition. fact is if your a 5 star looking at a top team. their is a reason you yourself are going to that school and its cause they are usually one of the best

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

When your a stud and you want to play you pick a school with a good team but not always top talent at your position.

Agree or not it happens all the time. How many times are there 2 5 star qbs signed in the same year on the same team?RB’s? ect..almost never. You sign a kid that is a 3 or 4 star and that big time guy is still interested.

by pb4957 on Jun 2, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow. My question pertained to whether he wanted to commit and we rejected it. I'd heard that he'd gotten angry but didn't know that it was over a fanshot.

Honestly, I’m not sure how to feel about that. I never thought I’d see the day where a fanshot could/would strongly influence a kids decision on where to attend college. Geez. Somebody needs to join Shaking the Southland and get to typing. I heard Tony Steward is transferring here (Joke people. It’s a JOKE, relax. lol)

But If Chad is THAT confident in his abilities, then why would he let a depth chart be the deciding factor of where he goes? I mean if he decides he just likes Clemson better, fine. But it sounds like he got ticked when he realized he wasn’t the first one we asked to Prom. If this is where you want to be, you better get in that stretched limo and ride.

by GradSchoolNole on Jun 2, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

just for clarity

it was never a matter of FSU not talking kelly’s commitment… more that he was told up front that his commitment wouldn’t make us quit talking to other qb’s altogether.

by Tribe Rider on Jun 3, 2011 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think Crow's arm is on the weaker side?

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by tricknole on Jun 2, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty Sure

Fisher actually called the play at the 3:50 mark.

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by onebarrelrum on Jun 2, 2011 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

The QB pipeline continues at QB U

Good to see Jimbo & Staff loving a kid way earlier than everyone else. Our staff rocks. See you in 4 to 5 years Sean.

Any relation to Jerry?

by rabidnole21 on Jun 2, 2011 9:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Easy throwing motion

I like that he is not muscling up on the ball, he has a nice easy throwing motion. He appears to keep his head in the game and watches his WR’s downfield. He seems to hit the receiver quickly. I’m not sure, why he is not rated really high, but I really like the way he throws. The one negative I saw was that he was not under a rush at all. Is his OL that good? or the competition that bad?

by rspknole1 on Jun 2, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

There were a few throws

In the vid where he has a D-lineman breathing down his neck. One of the slow-mo TDs towards the end shows him releasing the ball right as he’s getting crushed on the strongside ala Ponder vs UF. He knew the hit was coming but made the play.

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by 06N0LE on Jun 2, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's Jerry's adopted son...

he lost the glasses and bees (nor DEs) can smell any fear on him what-so-ever.

by Buddy Reynolds on Jun 2, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heard some comments this am on Sirius' 24/7 college

I think it was Jay Shurbit (sp?) – I missed the beginning but caught a question by a caller on this kid.

Shurbit saw him at a 7 on 7 and another camp, forget which. Said he has a very strong arm, good work ethic, thinks he is underrated right now and that we got a good jump on a fine prospect.

by ladyjustice on Jun 2, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

JC shurburtt, good guy and been in the biz forever

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of the very few worth listening to, for me personally.

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by CornNole on Jun 2, 2011 1:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Forget all about the strong arm, mobility, footwork, release, work ethic, and how smart he is. He should be given a schollie just for his name.

He has a NFL type of name.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jun 2, 2011 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Seriously though, from the little I know, I see this as an insurance policy on Winston, whether Winston ever steps foot on the FSU football field or not.

Even if he does, there is little guarantee Winston will be here for 4 years.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jun 2, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

IMO 2012 isn't a year that we need to hit a home run at QB

given where Coker projects to be as a Junior and Senior. Plus 2013 is loaded with QB talent… some of which is in state!

Championship!

by TLHWG on Jun 2, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brice Ramsey

Georgia prospect…

I figure if I say it enough times, it will come true.

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by CornNole on Jun 2, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Agree

It’s got a ring to it.

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by jskipnole on Jun 2, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Spiderman's little brother.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Jun 2, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

HIS NAME

IS TOBY!

"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"

by 06N0LE on Jun 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

His name is Robert Paulson.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

His naaaaammmeeee.....is Kunta.

Kunta…….Kinte

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hallo

Mah name ees Inigo Montoya. Joo keeled my father. Prepare to die.

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by 06N0LE on Jun 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 5-fingered man > the 5-toed woman.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you mean

The 6-fingered man > the 6-toed woman?

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by 06N0LE on Jun 2, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, this. I hang my head in shame and trudge (yes--trudge) into the kitchen to make coffee.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries, man.

We’ve all been there.

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by 06N0LE on Jun 2, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

3 fingers like a owling ball right Russo

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a line in the 1st joke I ever wrote.....FTW.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw you giving that girl nightmres

in your youtube lol

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by caine115 on Jun 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor girl...she was never heard from again.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know owls had balls.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The dominant ones do.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throws like Phil Rivers you say

I see Bernie Kosar in the throwing motion…but definitly not in the mobility. nothing on the tape to make you think the coaches haven’t found another good one.

by 93noleman on Jun 2, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Ditto on the Kosar. Someone link a YouTube

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks!

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 5, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think his motion is closer to Doug Flutie's than Rivers' or Kosar's

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by RishiM on Jun 2, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yo,

very close,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wve1uefTEO4

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by onebarrelrum on Jun 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

anybody else see a little Tony Romo in that release?

he looks like he pushes the ball instead of throwing it

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by nole07 on Jun 5, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a Jersey Thing!

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Jun 2, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

rec

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by Bud Elliott on Jun 2, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best new Bobby quote in a while

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Jun 2, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice arm, decent arm angle
  • Sometimes when he slings it his arm slot looks like Rix’s.
  • Impressed at some of the strength when throwing from his back leg. He must be used to the poor AI blocking in NCAA.
  • Not immobile – that is a nice plus.
  • Keeps his head in chaotic situations. That will mature nicely.
  • Rocks a little bit backward just before the snap. Upperclassmen DL will pick up on that and jump the snap. (This is easily fixable)
  • Does NOT deserve the label “diamond in the rough.” Kid is good, Jimbo & crew scouts as well as anyone.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Jun 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Maguire looks to be a hair shorter than Kelly.

So if Kelly’s tall enough (be it 6’2" or 6’3"), I’d think Maguire is, too. But our coaches must’ve thought that already anyways.

Two guys on the right.

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by tricknole on Jun 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

That looks fake.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assumming this kid is seventeen years old

its not likely that he is through growing. Three years with Vic’s S&C program, nutritional diets and world class coaching and he’ll be a GAM.

by ed64nole on Jun 2, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Lets list the names of utter failures at the QB position that Fisher has had in college....

…….crickets……Coach Fisher puts guys under center who take it to another level. More so than anyone else.

by pb4957 on Jun 2, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn't hang that on JF.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.

by NoleThruandThru on Jun 2, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not JF's QB.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he was.

Ponder was a freshman when CJF got here. Out of all the QB’s, Bowden asked Jimbo who he liked….“I like him”, said Jimbo. Right then and there Ponder became Jimbo’s QB.

Lee quit the following season.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is an AWFUL reason

attribute a QB to the coach when he had time to coach him

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you really not distinguish

between inheriting a Junior who’d only proven to be a bust and quit the following year….and a freshman who he wound up coaching for four years?

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"I like him" - Jimbo Fisher, when asked which QB he liked most during his first week of practice at FSU....referring to a freshman, former 3* recruit named Christian Ponder.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

not because of Jimbo Fisher

Jimbo arrived, and he gave him the opportunity to earn the job. once again, Lee played himself out of it. listen to the good doctor, Lee’s performance is totally unrelated to Jimbo’s coaching ability.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

This. XL was a lost cause long before Jimbo arrived.

The only reason CP7 was salvageable was because he received superior QB coaching then the rest of FSU’s QB’s did……………………on the scout team.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ponder succeeded because of his work ethic and intelligence

his physical skills were workable. Lee had zero work ethic, and Drew had poor physical skills.

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by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Swing & a miss....

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear God that was good.

I’m rec’ing this, and hopefully someone will turn it green.

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by CornNole on Jun 2, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not blaming Jimbo for X Lee or Drew -

Jimbo’s QB coaching is just one of several things that has io happen at the same time to develop a QB – clearly he can do it

But that fact remains not every QB Jimbo gets his hands on turns out good

by 93noleman on Jun 2, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really??

Try J Bowden for that one buddy.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 2, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daryl Dickey

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by RishiM on Jun 2, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's not get silly, here.

Luck.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh

At the end of the day, I think EJ will enjoy the last laugh.

Luck has just been privileged to have his development expedited.

by Trus1te on Jun 2, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the end of what day? You said this year.

Luck, no question.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I still think there is a 5% change EJ will be better this year.

So I will hold on to my 1:20 odds :)

by Trus1te on Jun 2, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you guys even clicking on the link?

I just thought it was interesting how they were mentioned in the same sentence in HS.

I think they will once again be mentioned in the same sentence this year.

Will EJ be better? I give him 5%. But truth is, without Harbough, Luck may be in for a senior slump ala CP7

by Trus1te on Jun 2, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really tough to compare

Luck may have a senior slump, but I have zero doubt that he’ll be regarded as the better QB regardless of what EJ does this year. I definitely expect Luck’s stats to be down, but I think he’s a top 5 draft pick anyway.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Jun 2, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

i predict Carolina will get a do-over and draft Luck (a real QB) first

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by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh COME ON!!! That comment about Mel Kiper was REALLY funny....

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh. OK.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is this joke?

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Jun 2, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I deleted it

Ease up DRusso, you’re pushing it lately on some of the topic matter/ language.

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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 2, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry dude--I emailed you a little while ago.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 3, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once your G&G Goggles are off and come back to earth

You will realize this is an unfair question to both Luck and Manuel. Luck might be John Elway. Maybe better. Manuel could be a really great QB. See the difference?

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 2, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, sorry to spam post

But I really haven’t seen any highlight tapes that look this good.

He throws out of quite a few formations, appears to be hitting different targets on an equally dizzying number of plays and pretty much hits his targets exactly where he should.

This kid, with a successful senior campaign, should be pushing 5*s, but definitely should be a 4*.

I think Kosar is a great comparison as well.

by Trus1te on Jun 2, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

And THAT, my friends, is what sets this site apart:

Even the posters often have enough expertise and actual experience to know what they’re talking about.

(no brown nosing)

If you torture a statistic enough you can make it confess to anything.

by PeachTreeNole on Jun 2, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I celebrate

the unheralded and no drama recruitment of a QB. I trust in our coaches…its kind of a good feeling…I don’t ever want the Terrelle Pryor recruitment saga here.

by NicktheNole on Jun 2, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Think how much better the campus would look

if the student parking lots were filled with 350z’s.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

...With handicap parking stickers.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait.........................what?

Hopefully you are referring to cars—otherwise I just feel retarded.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

good money says

he has been inside both foreign cars and foreign college girls

by NicktheNole on Jun 2, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got one...

Not a bad vehicle. Brother had a 2009 corvette, and said to him self? Why did i buy this car for 50 grand when i could have had a better handling car. Just saying.

by Fsu3211 on Jun 2, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Care to elaborate why nobody this year would be the heir to Manuel?

I know s the necessarily matter. I know Ponder was a 3. The question is whether this is best qb available to us?

by Cheaptalk on Jun 2, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Because the heir to EJ has already signed.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is this person who is going to be the next great fsu qb?

And just to be clear, you’re saying there is no recruit available that could be a truly great qb for us in our future?

by Cheaptalk on Jun 2, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Likely, IMO, Trickett is the starter in 2013.

After him…Coker….after him….? Lots of folks think Coker will be very good, including me.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coker

And we are still very much in it for Winston too.

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by RollNole5 on Jun 2, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said "heir" not "the next great FSU QB".

Their “heir” to EJ had already signed—it will be either Clint Trickett (who by 2013 could also call plays a la Lance Harbor), or Jacob Coker.

As far as the next great FSU QB…I believe that will be Coker. I think he will be a stud in Tallahassee.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Maguire will be a RS Freshman the year after EJ leaves (2013).

Unless we’re decimated by injuries, a RS Frosh will not be the starting QB.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

^This

FSU is getting back to the 90’s days. Were it will probably be a red shirt Junior starting every year. Just my guess.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 2, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

why is everyone concerned about his star rating today June 2, 2011?? He is on the ESPN 150 watch list. He drew interest from Alabama and NCST. By fall he will probably be a 4* anyways.

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by Mateo9399 on Jun 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm spoiled by Ponder and EJ

But I’m ok with recruiting “smartest guy in the room” character QBs even if they are 3-4 star guys as long as they have decent size and can make all the throws. Coker appears to be that guy. I know Tricket is a little small, but supposedly he knows what he’s doing out there.

But I’ve more than had my fill of the Dan Kendra, Jared Jones, Fabian Walker, Anquan Boldin, Chris Rix, D’Vontery Richardson, Adrian McPherson, Xavier Lee, etc. where it’s all about the physical athleticism.

I really don’t care what star ratings those guys are, until Jimbo fails with one of his hand-picked “hidden gems”, I’ll take them all day long over anyone with discipline/head issues. No thank you, Zeke Pike. Thanks for your interest Chad Kelly. Sorry, we’re full Mr. Coney.

by LouC on Jun 2, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

EJ is the complete package (physically and mentally superb)

but i agree with you otherwise: if i had to pick an average body with an above average brain or an elite body with a substandard brain, i would pick the former every time and convert the latter to WR or S.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Castor Troy!

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

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ODU Monarchs football - 17-5 in years one and two.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m glad I had to google that, and even gladder that I still don’t get it.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Jun 2, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Train of thought (not to be mistaken for logic)

Swap heads—impossible—????—swap other body parts—-impossible?—-swap faces—-faceoff—-Castor Troy——swap faces—-possible—-swap heads—-possible—-Castor Troy.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s actually really good. You have convinced me.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Jun 3, 2011 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah! Somebody’s ALWAYS lookin’

by Nole99 on Jun 2, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You see Coker as a “smartest guy in the room” with decent size QB? Kid is 6’5" 220 as a HS senior and has very good athleticism.

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Jun 2, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean it as a knock

He’s got great size. I’m just saying as long as these “under the radar” kids we seem to be signing (Ponder, Trickett, Coker, McGuire) fit the superior brain and great character model, I’m going to be ok as long as they can make all the throws we need – no matter how many stars their ranked. At least until one of them busts and leaves us in the lurch.

When Fisher fails to put a QB on the field that can win games for us, then I’ll start worrying.

by LouC on Jun 2, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If 1 of them busts, he has a 4 or 5* classmate to pick up the slack. Hedging your bets.

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

word

>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->

by RollNole5 on Jun 2, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

world

:)

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by RishiM on Jun 2, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

be free

Finishing the thought.

by csfuu on Jun 3, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

http://twitter.com/NoleLCP24

you’re welcome

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 3, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boldin?

Why are you hating on Anquan Boldin? He was great Seminole and has been a great pro. And I don’t think FSU ever recruited him as a QB - he was athlete/receiver all the way in college.

by csfuu on Jun 2, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

way off here

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Jun 2, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about unfortunately

And yes, I’m only “down” on Anquan a little. However, he didn’t exactly throw his unwavering support behind his quarterback, and frequently showed him up after bad passes.

I don’t think he was a bad guy, I just don’t think he was the consumate leader that I’d like at quarterback.

But he can definitely be given some benefit of the doubt for being here during a miserable time. In other words, he had reason to be less than “professional.”

by LouC on Jun 2, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boldin did come in as a QB/Athlete. He led his team to a State Champoinship as a QB. But then

he went to WR because he had two talented but chuckle headed QBs in front of him. In his last bowl game, the two talented chuckle headed QBs were not available, so he stepped into the QB position for a few plays and threw the ball 65 yards into Talman Gardner’s arms at full stride for an easy TD. (Talman instantly dropped it). Anquan has a right to bitch as much as any of the Nole players whose talents were wasted.

by Nole75 on Jun 3, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t help but laugh when that occurred. It was pretty much, “Yeah, that’s been going on all season with all the WR’s , ‘Quan. Join the club of disbelieving fans and QB’s.”

by Kazoonole on Jun 3, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like one of the Chuckleheaded QBs you referred to

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Jun 3, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luginbill says he's coming out of a Wing-T offense

That will make the 3rd FSU QB (Ponder, Coker) to have played HS ball as a Wing-T QB. The Wing-T is the official anti-Spread for QB recruiting.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Jun 2, 2011 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

You lost me after...Luginbill says.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 2, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He SAID "Luginbill says"
“Blabity blabity BLAH blah blahhhhhh…….”

…or something like that.
#IMayHaveParaphrased

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by DRusso97 on Jun 2, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Jun 2, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Twitter work on those '09/'10 rushing numbers.

And probation ends March 5, 2013.

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by tricknole on Jun 2, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you, sir!

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Jun 5, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still don't buy it...

Blabity is much too big of a word for ole Lugey.

"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"

by 06N0LE on Jun 2, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Excellent news. Looks like a good, potentially great, Prospect.
FSU could still take another quarterback in this class, and it is important to note that Maguire is not afraid of competition (unlike some other high profile quarterbacks who throw a hissy fit about possibly having to compete for the job).

Nice job, Bud. My favorite quote from the article.

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by pasadenanole22 on Jun 2, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Sean Maguire was on local Tally ESPN radio today.

I checked website and don’t see any archive/replay of it.

by NOLEmercy3 on Jun 2, 2011 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Please post a link if you find it.

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by Gulfport Nole on Jun 2, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

BC just offered Macguire today.........

I wouldn’t be surprised if he has double digit offers by the end of the summer.

by NoleFanAtUCF on Jun 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh once FSU offered

And he committed with questions surrounding pretty much all the QBs especially the non committed ones if Jimbo offers many more will offer based on his evaluation of taking him. Other coaches know how good an evaluator he is

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by caine115 on Jun 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

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