ESPNU 150: Florida State Lands 7 of 10 Commitments On Initial List
by Bud Elliott on Jun 8, 2011 11:55 AM EDT
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PrintThe initial ESPNU 150 for 2012 was released today, and Florida State's recruiting class scored very well, landing 7 of its 10 recruits on the list. Included in the ESPNU 150 is Mario Edwards, who ESPN has tabbed as the top overall player in the country. That is high praise for Edwards from the ESPNU150, but not out of line as Edwards is ranked as a five-star recruit by all of the major services. Here's what ESPN had to say about FSU's commitment:
"A lot of people think I'm 250," Edwards Jr. said. "I carry my weight [275] really well. And basically, what made me want to go to Florida State was that they had my best interest. All the other schools thought I would get too big.
"They all said there's a chance I could move inside. Florida State said they didn't care if I was 300 pounds, as long as I could keep my speed."
Craig Haubert, recruiting coordinator for ESPN, said Edwards reminds him of former Clemson star Da'Quan Bowers at this stage.
"He has prototypical size for an NFL defensive end," Haubert said. "More important, there's some savvy in there. He has moves. He has a pass-rush arsenal. You can sense that there's a plan of attack when he rushes the quarterback. He's more than just a good athlete. He's a good football player." -ESPN
I think I speak for all the authors at TN when I say "we told you so." Fisher was heavily influenced by his time at LSU during which he faced Nick Saban's enormous 4-3 defense on a daily basis-- a 4-3 defense that featured two defensive ends weighing over 290 pounds. A defense, that won the national title. We've been saying this for the better part of three years now, and Edwards comments confirm it.
| Overall Rnk | Name | Rating | Pos | HT | WT | School |
| 1 | Mario Edwards | 90 | DE | 6'4" | 270 | Billy Ryan H.S. (TX) |
| 10 | Chris Casher | 84 | DE | 6'5" | 236 | Faith Academy (AL) |
| 47 | Mario Pender | 82 | RB | 5'11" | 190 | Island Coast H.S. (FL) |
| 74 | Dante Fowler Jr. | 81 | DE | 6'3" | 236 | Lakewood H.S. (FL) |
| 114 | P.J. Williams | 80 | S | 6'0" | 180 | Vanguard H.S. (FL) |
| 120 | Ukeme Eligwe | 80 | ILB | 6'2" | 208 | Stone Motn H.S. (GA) |
| 145 | Alphonse Taylor | 80 | OT | 6'5" | 334 | Davidson H.S. (AL) |
With 70% of its commitments in the 150, FSU's class is the highest quality in the country at this point among teams with at least 5 commitments. The 2012 class may be limited in size, but certainly not in talent!
Florida State landed two players from Mobile, Alabama on the ESPNU 150: defensive end Chris Casher at #10 overall, and massive offensive tackle Alphonse Taylor at #145 overall. Those recruits are a credit to QB coach and ace recruiter Dameyune Craig, a Mobile native.
Two recruits receiving more praise from the ESPNU 150 than other places are Mario Pender, rated as the 5th-best back in the country, and defensive back P.J. Williams, rated the 6th-best safety in the country (though he will likely start as a corner for the 'Noles).
The only three FSU commitments to not make the list were DT Dalvon Stuckey, QB Sean Maguire, and kicker Roberto Aguayo, but all three narrowly missed the list and received a rating of four-stars.
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Pender's rating
has been debated quite a bit here. All homerism aside, is this the most accurate rating he’s received by the services to date?
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"I like him" - Jimbo Fisher, when asked which QB he liked most during his first week of practice at FSU....referring to a freshman, former 3* recruit named Christian Ponder.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
and do we really see Mario sticking at #1?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Mario as a very safe pick. Meaning, I don’t know if he will be the best player in college, but I can’t see him failing to be a multi-year starter on a very good team.
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Have to balance it? How many guys can you guarantee, if healthy, will be multi-year starters for an elite team?
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Right. I would assume that the #1 player in the country has both.
But the way you worded it made me think Edwards has limited upside.
Guess I was just saying I don’t see quite the upside of Bowers or Clowney in him at this point.
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that's if Clowney can get in.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Jun 8, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
NO CLOWN PICS FOLKS, please!
Let’s keep this about 2012 kids without posting a bunch of those pics.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 8, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
No problem!
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 8, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
logged in just to rec
and to tell everyone that i peed myself a little bit on that one…
SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...
All depends on his year and the year that everyone else has.
I think he’ll stick, because if he stays healthy, he’ll have another big year like he did his junior year. Remember he is also going to the UA all star game, where he will almost certainly do very well and have Luginbill and Co. drooling all over him.
As far as Pender goes, I think he should have been in the 60-80 range. I think he is rated a little too high.
Mario's individual grade is 3 more than #2
so it’s gonna be difficult for him to lose the #1 spot
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other than clowney (95)
no one has gotten a grade of 90 or better from ESPN in the last 3 cycles (2012, 2011, 2010).
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Was thinking their might be more fluidity at the top
with no Clowney type prospects due for another 5-6 years.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
there, not their.........back off, GPD.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
silly Doc, you dont self report to the authorities
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
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by Dogrel on Jun 8, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it me or...
does he look really slow off the line. he looks to have pretty good overall speed but his first step look very slow!
D-Hop has tiger blood
We noticed that first as well, but in other clips he shows good burst and his coach apparently asked him to not go upfield a bunch because everyone ran away from his side anyway.
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I’m not sure why I didn’t think about it until looking at this list but the prospect of edwards casher and jernigan being on the same d line in a few years seems ridiculous!
Yeah, though I think everyone agrees that is too high.
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No, I am fine with 73. 73 is still very good, and the arm injury is a setback.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Suprised at Fowler being that low.
I hope to see Stuckey have a big year and get in. Maguire and Aguayo are no surprise.
General Observations
- - No Chad Kelly
- Eddie Willilams #5 – not sure I agree
- Travis Blanks #11 – deserved IMO, this kid is a game-changer on O & D.
- Winston #2 QB (#15 overall) behind only Keil
- Peat at #22 & Theus at #27 seem a little low
- Chris Black #29 – fair
- Agholor at #41 – seems low
- Fowler at #74 – huge discrepancy w/ Rivals
- Kent Taylor at #147 – big discrepancy w/ Rivals
- Dillon Lee at #74 seems high & huge discrepancy w/ Rivals
- Nice to see Eligwe and Taylor rounding out the top 150
Lots of other prospects (e.g., Bush, etc.) on the list.
Championship!
Kelly is #80, #5 QB
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I think Blanks is criminally overrated
Agree that Agholor is low.
Very happy that ESPN gave PJ Williams the credit he deserves.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 8, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Bracy is #110.
And it’d be nice if we landed one of the 4 available Florida CB’s on the list to go along with Williams. They’re all top 150 (Bush, Howard, Poole, Leggett).
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Disappointed they went with safety for Williams, though I get the high-cut thing.
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High cut?
I don’t really care what position these sites put players at. They’ll play where Fisher tells them to. haha
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High cut= long legs
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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see: Williams, Karlos
the boy looks to be 3/4 legs. definitely high waisted.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Wrong Williams?
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i know you meant PJ
i was making a comparison to show what it looks like
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
FWIW, Aguayo is rated 79 (4 star)
Hopkins was rated 80. Hopkins was #1 kicker, Aguayo #2 (and Marshall Morgan #3) this year. the top rated kicker (Pinion) is apparently best as a punter, kicking a ridiculous100 yd KO and 71 yd punt at Kohl’s Southern Showcase Camp.
think the staff did their homework at kicker?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah
nice to see all of our players either 4*+.. even our kicker and Maguire. The more I learn about Maguire, the more I think he’s a great fit for our program, i.e., no need to start until 2013+, good size, solid fundamentals, etc.
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Funny thing is
With all the nervousness at QB. Maguire is rated higher then Ponder coming out
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and every time I see Mario Edwards' name on the list
I feel a little bit older.
and smaller.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s grown a lot, and ESPN saw him the most recent of anyone. Not sure though.
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Hey Bud......
do you think Casher has more upside than Fowler or do u think ESPN rated him higher because they saw him recently in camp?
I like Casher a bit better
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Did his injury
play to rankings at all and his possibly missing a ton of evaluation time? Or do the pretty much know what they need to know
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Not sure
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I agree with Bud........
I think Casher will be a better overall player than Fowler. He’s bigger at 6’4", 245 lbs to Fowler 6’3", 230 lbs, runs a 4.5 40, can catch the ball (pick 6 anyone?), and might have the quickest release of the ball of any player in the 2012 class. I think I was shocked initially because I saw Fowler as a 5 star on TOS and Casher was a 4 star, but I think ESPN did a great job in evaluating Casher and his next level potential.
well Casher could be the #1 TE in the '12 class
but at DE I think Fowler is > Casher… & that says more about Fowler than Casher.
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Casher is much more of a complete player
He is way thicker and can play the run better which is probably why he is rated higher. Not so sure Fowler will ever be decent against the run
Not necessarily
Casher is a little thin on the lower body, Fowler def has a bigger base, but could still use the weight on the upper body
I know Dante
I am happy we have BOTH of them at this point…geeze…the way you guys pick a prom queen here…I assure you that they both will be excellent in the Garnet and Gold
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by FCANOLE on Jun 8, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Both are excellent
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I think they have similar frames.
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You mean glasses?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't care less if a DE can catch the ball.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's embarrassing, though, at picnics.
.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Jun 8, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
And, unlike UF's 2009 DL class, this one won't threaten to mutiny if they aren't treated like rock stars from day 1...
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ESPN is always very selective with 5*
They never give more then 10 really. Which I like. When you are ranking the top kids in the nation and you have 30+ 5 * on the list like many other scouting sources do it kind of loses the luster. A 5 * on ESPN is something that out of the entire top 150 to start with less then 10% of the top 150 are 5 stars. Really, at least in there eyes, shows you the cream of the crop. having 2 players in the top 10 is huge.
And the fact that MEJ is rated 3 pts ahead of #2 on that list with only 8 5star kids to begin with on that list, nedeing an 85 ranking or higher shows they are as Big on MEJ as any player in the last few years since CLowney who was a true once every 20 year freak
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It also gives you the ability to rate classes from year to year
Since stars are relative (e.g., no more than 10 5*), it allows you to say one university’s recruiting class is better/worse than last year more accurately.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I like having less 5*.
But I think sites are starting to hand out 4* like crazy.
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USC got 1, 2, and 3 in 2007 (McKnight, Galippo, and Tyler)
UF and Texas went 1&3, 2&4 in 2011
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
and we should have gotten Rolle and Harvin in 2006
if not for our terrible recruiting, Harvin could have been a Nole. we were an early favorite and didnt capitalize.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I dunno
We’d lost quite a bit of prowess by ‘06…so it may not have mattered (Harvin probably saw the writing on the wall). One thing’s for sure…it was a huge win for uf…and probably made the difference in them winning an NC or 2. Dammit. If Percy was a recruit this year…he’d be a Nole.
Maybe. But, would the Gata
have won 2 chammion…tylas without him? Would they have beaten us in ’06?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 9, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I've heard this argument before.
It’s sound.
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Of course, it's entirely possible they would've without him.
Who knows? He was, at the very least, an important part of those teams’ successes.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 10, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so.
They didn’t win it Tebow’s senior year, for example.
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That had more to do with no Mullen then no Harvin, IMO.
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Would they have beaten OU without Harvin? I don't think so.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 10, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
No....but Mullen made that offense.
Harvin was a key weapon….but not more important then the mastermind.
Addazio could not have done what Mullen did with all those pieces in 2008.
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No doubt it was a big drop off to Addazio.
The only point was I don’t think they’d have won both without Harvin.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 10, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree. '06? Yeah, probably. '08? No.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 10, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Even more important then 1 and 2
Which would be great. Is having 7 of 10 in the 150 excluding the kicker (still 4 star) and a 4 star QB who will go up as offers and news that FSU got his commit. I will take 80% of our recruits in the 150 over having just the 1 and 2.
Even though I know it wasnt meant that way. Just pointing out how sick the class is where it gets important which is after your top 3 picks.
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by caine115 on Jun 8, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And even more important than that
is having the RIGHT players committed to your team. Having the top QB, who happens to operate in a pro-style offense, running a spread option attack renders the whole star/ranking system useless. I think our “friends” down south just faced that reality last year.
by mbar on Jun 8, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Miami has 5 in the 150.
That’s a pretty solid number.
Florida has only 4. Wow.
Definitely did not expect Miami to have more than Florida.
You can't spell ESPNU 150
without da U.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but we double them up
You need an S and a U (from FSU, naturally) to spell it, too (now there’s an anomaly: “an” before the consonant S, “a” before the vowel U).
by Invictus13 on Jun 8, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is what happens when you apply FSU logic
da U makes no sense.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Anomaly is a quirk of the vernacular: we still go by the first sound of the word to guide us.
Consonant sound=a, while
Vowel sound=an
Since we’re spelling out the letters in our heads…
S=an “ess”, and
U=a “yew”,
…so it’s all good in the ’hood.
Where it all goes screwy is with “H”, and you can blame Catholic schooling in the British Isles for it.
The proper English H=“’aitch”, so it gets the “an”
The Catholic schools in Britain and Ireland have been teaching H=“haitch” exclusively for so long that it is now nearly universal among English-speaking Catholics. Thus, to Catholics, it gets the “a”.
And America is completely screwed up with our "h"’s
We started out Protestant, so we kept the “proper pronunciation” of the letter in our school books. However, because we assimilated a jillion Catholics in the 19th century, we adopted the Catholic school “h” sound for our pronunciation.
So, while the English would buy “an ’istory book”,
We Americans can freely buy “a history book”, even though it really isn’t the King’s English.
But then again, there are ſome other parts of the King’s English that have ſlipped from common uſage, too, ſo now we juſt let it ſlide.
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Are you not going to do the history on the s/f?
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ſince you aſked...
While it looks like a kind-of-uncrossed lowercase “f”, it’s officially known as the “long s”. It comes from the old Roman cursive “s”, and before 1800, was used widely.
Properly pronounced, the "ſ"’s sound is always like the “s” sound in “hiss”. Where the “s” makes a “z” sound, the more common “S” has always been used (the letter “z”-proper name “zed”-is a superfluous Norman carryover from Latin, and the most useless letter in the whole language; hence the wonderful Shakespearean insult “thou whoreson zed, thou unnecessary letter”). With the rise in popularity of italic fonts in the 18th century, the common confusion with the lowercase “f” surfaced and the letter was phased out for greater legibility, sacrificing the clarity of pronunciation in the process.
Usage rules: Properly used where the “hissing s” sound is supposed to be. Athough it is used at the front of a word, it is never used at the end of a word; the common “s” is always used there, as explained by the old name for the letter, the "terminal s." Finally, the long s is never used next to a lowercase "f", for obvious legibility reasons.
HTML code for the “ſ”: “& # 3 8 3 ;”, but without the quotes or spaces in between the symbols.
Unlike everyone’s favorite archaic English letter, thorn (“Þ” / “þ”), there is no real capital or lowercase form, just one long s to rule them all.
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Preciſely
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Ain't elitism great?
(thanks despair.com)
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by Dogrel on Jun 9, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yogh
Capital yogh Ȝ is "& # 540 ;,
Lowercase yogh ȝ is "& # 541 ; ".
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What the hell?
No wonder these letter aren’t used anymore. There are just too many. A lot of people can’t even remember we have 47 states. Having to remember well over 30 letters is just too much.
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Not to worry,
It’s just a few geeks getting mediæval.
Stay away from the Mountain Dew and no harm will come to you, I promise.
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so wait
its ok for you to say that, but when i say the exact same thing im stupid? smh
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I never actually said you were stupid
And, the most important point is that I used a cute cat. When in doubt, put up pictures of cats on the interwebz.
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When I read this ...
I keep thinking you have a tounge piercing thingy going on …… ;)
And the letter thorn?
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Þ- It's just an old Anglo-Saxon way of representing the "th" sound
Started out as one of the old Anglo-Saxon runes. Usage is dead simple in English-basically, anywhere in English words where you have a “th” that makes a single sound, a “þ” symbol probably used to be there.
If you want to type thorn in HTML, there are two symbols:
Capital thorn, Þ, is “& THORN ;” without the quotes or spaces, and
Lowercase thorn , þ, is likewise “& thorn ;”.
So,
Tthe used to be Þe,
That was Þat,
fifth was fifþ, and so on.
Usage started to decline by 1300 or so, being replaced with “th”, and it was finally killed off by the early printing presses and typefaces coming out of Germany and Italy, where “þ” did not exist. The printers did the next best thing, they substituted the Þ with a capital “Y” which looked most like to the old letter, which is where we got the word “ye” commonly seen on the signs of tourist-trappy candle-and-nutcracker shops that the wife or girlfriend just has to drag you into. The official pronunciation never changed-you were always supposed to say “the”-just the spelling is different thanks to a 500+ year old font with an inadequate set of letters.
By about 1500, it had been replaced in print by “th”. However, since writing a letter above the Y-thorn saved time when writing common words out by hand, it was preserved in handwriting for a while longer, and can be seen on some later documents, the Mayflower Compact in particular.
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I believe
Thorn was used more for the “th” sound in the, that, etc., but eth was used for slightly softer “th” sounds – such as found in thin, etc. That sound about right? (Something like voiced/voiceless dental fricatives, or some such nonsense…)
You're right for languages such as Icelandic, which is similar to Old English,
But Old English is less organized. Both were used interchangeably for both sounds.
Ð (Eth) was used over thorn (Þ) mostly at the end of words, but even then there were exceptions, and it’s not exactly like there were any popular dictionaries and grammar manuals around to standardize the usage.
Another thing going against ð is that it fell out of use a couple of centuries before þ. Ð was gone by 1300, well before Chaucer was even born, let alone popularizing English as a written language. So unless you’re reading Beowulf or The Exeter Book in the original Old English, you’re extremely unlikely to run into a wild eth.
If someone’s gonna go to the trouble to learn an extra letter for “th” sounds, thorn’s the one I’d rather they learn. Both are curiosities of the language at this point, but thorn was much more common, used for much longer, lasted into the era of the printing press, and much more likely to be found in period documents, particularly the Mayflower Compact mentioned above and the original 1611 edition of the King James Bible.
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I always thought it was interesting
that the latin alphabet took the look of the greek terminal sigma (ς) for their ‘s’ instead of the common sigma σ
does that explain the pretentious sounding people that say "yuman' instead of "human"?
honestly, whats the point of an h if you dont pronounce it? silent letters are useless, pun intended.
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Agree. Yuge pet peeve of mine.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 9, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I blame the ancient Greeks
They screwed it up for all of humanity. They had their "h"’’s sounding like long "a"’s.
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Haha, you calling northeasterners pretentious?
They’re the only ones I’ve ever heard say “yuge”. They also say crap like “hamburg” when referring to ground beef.
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When I first moved from NY to Florida
I could not explain to my friend where a book was. I kept saying it was in the top draw. And he kept saying wtf is a draw. I thought he was an idiot. I am like that thing where you keep clothes in a dresser draw. And hes is telling me its called a DRAWER. Well it may be spelled that way but we dont call it a DRAW-ER just a draw. he kept thinking i wanted him to pain something
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Yeah, the Miami class is pretty good.
No reason to turn a nose up to that class.
Texas has 9 in the 150. Bama with 6.
But out of how many
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I know they lock in their recruits early with oil $ or something,
but it’s a good haul, especially considering the disaster of a season they had.
Texas is a different animal when it comes to recruiting. They literally dont recruit out of state unless you’re top 3 at your position nationally… And dont have to. Majority of their recruiting/evaluating is done at their camps.
Texas, Florida, and a couple in the area
Are the professionals of high school football. In the way that the programs, the seriousness, and the talent turned out from those areas. And to a lesser extend based on size like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and basically the SE are what would be the top level areas of the country for talent. A team like Texas can never leave the state and still have national title contending teams. Same as Florida, Or if you want to include the area in general. All the Florida schools, of course program is going to make a difference, and all the teams of the SE. The texas teams. Alabama, all the major SE teams can all stay within a pretty restricted area and fill their teams with title contending kids and future NFL players. Florida as well. So when talking a team like Texas in recruiting. It as said is a different animal. Its just surrounded by a tradition of high school football that develops kids their entire lives. Outside that area. In the northeast. Midwest. Anywhere else really. You may have good districts or teams. But it is nowhere the same as what it is in the SE and through Texas. if Michigan wants to be good. They better travel more then a 2 hour plane ride for some kids. Thats why the SE is always a breading ground for top school.s even when SE major schools are down. Like FSU . Down is considered a 10 year stretch of doing nothing. Yet we still never fell below 500 or missed a bowl in any year. Those were down times for uis. In the SE we really forget just what the rest of the country has. If you told Syracuse they would make a bowl for the next 10 years and never be under 500 they would sell there soul to the devil as many schools outside the “RED ZONE” of greatness wold do. Being down in the SE lasts alot less time and isnt as down as it is elsewhere in the country. Cause you can always draw local talent that peer to peer is 5 times better then the peer high school player in NY or New mexico
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Agree completely,
but let’s not equate FSU’s program to Syracuse. I’ve used Michigan and Nebraska to make myself feel better about our bad times, though. They fell as well but, as you said, much harder.
by Nolesos Locos on Jun 8, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
my hair fell out
two seasons ago when we damn near had a losing season. If not for EJ in the first half of the gobuttftckyourself bowl against West Virginia… i dont even want to imagine what syracuse fans do in their spare time.
SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...
I thought it was
The Scrubbing Bubbles Toilet Bowl?
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That sounds like it would have interesting Rings...
gobuttftckyourself bowl
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I’d say California is there too in terms of talent. The sheer population number dictates that it is — Consider how many teams west of TX HAVE to go into California to get players.
theres a reason we have the CaliFlorida game...
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Any idea how many California kids went FBS last year?
I believe it was close to 350 in Florida.
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With all the talk on here of how bad the Miami program has become
how are they managing to pull such a nice start to the 2012 class? It seems like Ive been hearing for months about how they arent even a top 3 program in FL anymore, the facilities suck, theyre moving more toward academics….etc. Basically suggesting Miami has no shot at competing at a high level anymore. Are you surprised that they are managing to excel the way they have in recruiting thus far under Golden and do you still predict them to become less and less relevant in football like has been suggested on here before?
Are you surprised that they are managing to excel the way they have in recruiting thus far under Golden?
Not surprised at all, though they have 5 guys in the 150 and 7 not in. And it will be interesting to see if A L-J qualifies. I’ve said many times that Miami is going to have a nice class, but that to save Al Golden’s job, he needs to have a miracle class to deflect attention from 2012, which is expected to be quite bad on the field, and to immediately have an impact in 2013 that he can sell as the future.
and do you still predict them to become less and less relevant in football like has been suggested on here before?
Miami could be good again in 2014, no doubt, but elite good? Unlikely. And long-term, there is way too much working against them. They’ll have ebbs and flows, but overall I see the program trending down barring some major booster gains.
This is great feedback, however, as it shows me how the message comes off. Need to stress long-term when I discuss this issue.
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Who doesn't, trickles?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a looooooooong way to go before January 2012 for UM.
If Miami stinks it up on the field (as I expect they will do a few times in 2011), they will lose some people.
If AL-J graduates High School in 2014, that will affect it as well.
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Miami 5/12
UF 4/9 right?
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and 3 of UM's verbals are QB commits?
Interesting. Not exactly what you would think when refilling positions carefully…
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 8, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
One will go baseball
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crow or thompson?
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Thompson
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hopefully
he gets drafted low and skips it and insists on playing baseball and football at UM, would be just right.
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well there you go.
Thanks for the info. Eat up that scholly my friend.
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I wonder if he's talked into only playing baseball.
If he even signs.
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Saw an article,
says he wants to play both. We’ll see.
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Wouldn't matter until next year's draft though right?
This is class of 2012, they still have a senior year of high school to play
Doh
yes correct.
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 9, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
So about the same 40% ratio for both.
UM nobody in top 50 is interesting.
Miami will pull a nice class. Will it be #1 overall and like 30 guys? They need it to be.
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After taking 18 last year
you have to think that their class should be > 28.
took 18 but have since added 5 more.
It backs up my theory about Miami’s lack of depth. Golden sees it.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
But is that a possibility? 5 top-150 is a good start no? I wouldn’t have thought they could sniff the top 3 classes but early indications seem to speak otherwise.
by Nolesos Locos on Jun 8, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
- class? Unlikely. They are 5/12 right now. 10/26 won’t get it done, especially with zero of the top 50 so far.
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Top-3 class for UM?? I'll go ahead and say there is >97% chance that will **NOT** happen.
I will actually be surprised if their 2012 class is single digits in the end. I’m thinking 10-15/20 range…..and all their dumbass fans will shout about being “back”, only to get crushed in 2012.
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They will push single digits
Its still early. they actually have some 4 stars on the list. This year wont be as bad as 12. And they will sign a ton of kids again since they have extra schollies from the 2010 jail class
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The hype they are selling kids is that they are on the cusp of being "back".
Anything less a Division Title says “not so fast”……and UM isn’t about to win the Coastal in 2011. Or any other year for a while, barring an unforseen (and unlikely) sort of turnaround.
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Yea. Biggest difference between Miami with 5 and UF with 4
Is over the course of the year the majority of the new recruits added to UF and FSU will be on that list. If between UF and FSU they sign 20 more commits between them just as an example. At least 15 of them will be on that list. If UM signs 20. Maybe they get 4 or 5 on the list.
And if FSU signs ones that arent on the list. Its cause they just are using that great recruting magic of getting to kids before they become top 150. EG. Freeman, Coker
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too soon to tell on Miami
new coaches can sell the hype
I just cannot agree with this....
And if FSU signs ones that arent on the list. Its cause they just are using that great recruting magic of getting to kids before they become top 150. EG. Freeman, Coker
So why doesn’t this apply to Miami? Could Al Golden not find an under the radar kid who turns out to be a stud?
I think it’s far too early to attempt to evaluate how Miami is going to finish out.
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So why doesn’t this apply to Miami? Could Al Golden not find an under the radar kid who turns out to be a stud?
Agreed.
I think it’s far too early to attempt to evaluate how Miami is going to finish out.
Too early for an exact prediction, perhaps. But to discuss it?
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More of track record
Jimbo has shown what he can do with lower starred kids and has found studs already that were completely off the radar. Miami may turn a few into good players. But they are also taking more players that are lower rated. So they have more players that can be the one that plays way past his initial assessment. Someone wrote something up about what Golden did at Temple with some of his better players. And against teams with 500 records in his own division he was terrible. So he hasn’t proven he can get the most out of an under the radar kid that turns to a stud.
Right now Miami is selling the hype. They are getting some kids. They luckily lost a bunch from the 10 class allowing them to get even more this year. I am sure they will have their lot of NFL players. But Golden doesn’t impress me as much as others. And if he turns those under the radar kids into studs its JMO that its because he has more under the radar kids to work with
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ACC teams with players in the ESPN top 150
FSU 7
UM 5
Clemson 3
VT 1
Everyone else 0
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 8, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
they are officially under investigation as of this morning. they lost their runner/recruiter/coach...doesn't suprise me they don't have any
its amazing OSU has any… they have one, but man that kids got some bawls.
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by SmoothCrimiNole on Jun 8, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I see your 70% and raise you 5%
But seriously, not sure if Defestano and Guillermo belong. It’s not often that you see guards and centers get top 100 billing.
Wait, Clemson has 75%? Didn’t even think to check them honestly.
oops
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only have four verbals right now...
bit too soon to worry about.
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Give some credit to UM here
They already have 2 more ESPN150 guys than they did from their last recruiting cycle (3/18 total).
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Since we missed on Dillon Lee, I think we have to make a solid run at Josh Harvey-Clemons
IPretty sure we are...
He is a very intriguing prospect IMO I really hope the staff can reel him in.
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by CornNole on Jun 8, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bracy is in the 150 and Croom is only a 3*
Might just be me but I like Croom over Bracy, although I would definitely love to have them both.
different type of players
Bracy has unreal speed
I agree his speed is ridiculous
But as an every down wr I can see Croom making a much bigger impact than Bracy. Hes a huge target with 4.5 speed. But thats jmo
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Agholor and black would be the best combo
Croom and Bracy would be solid alternates.
That would be a very good combo
I was just saying I would take Croom over Bracy.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Estimated number we finish with? 10? Could easily see as many as 12?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I could see us with 10-12
Black, Bracy, Taylor, Peat, Winston. Thats 5 guys we are in it for right now, although I doubt we get all of them. And maybe some of our guys could move up before its over. I think the 10-12 range is a good estimate.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There are more than 5 we're in it for
That was kinda my point.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I wasnt saying those were the only ones we are in it for
I was just naming some off to show that we could land alot more.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope FSU takes 0-2 more. There’s not much of a need.
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Which one would you like for us to take?
For me its Bush.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not bush for me.
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Why not Bud??
Bush seems like a pretty decent Safety and can play the CB position. I saw his video at one of the camps, he was jamming WR’s at the line and being physical. Idk if his coverage skills are the best tho.
you said it, camps.
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Gotcha......
IMHO I would take Maye and Poole over Bush. Maye has the potential to be special at the Safety position, and Bush is the big CB Jimbo likes……the next XR27 if you will.
Sorry typo......
I meant Poole instead of Bush……..Poole is a big CB that Jimbo covets. Hopefully Peter Warrick will put in the good word for us.
Poole is 5’9"…
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My bad........
I meant to say I would take Maye and Poole over Bush, but Bush is the big, physical CB that Jimbo covets…….even tho he is projected at safety. I think that’s right lol
by NoleFanAtUCF on Jun 8, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see use getting one of those
Those werent the only 150 recruits I was saying that we are in it for. I was just naming some to show that we could end up with alot more 150 guys.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Either top 2 or 3 (FSU, UF, Bama) depending on the site.
But Maye isn’t top150 on ESPN for whatever reason.
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Id be surprised if Stuckey didn't end up on it.
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I agree
I also think that Maguire could also move into it. Especially since he is commited to us.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed with both statements........
Stuckey is the best DT in the state of FL and is being heavily recruited by all the major FL schools and pretty much every school in the SE, he will be in the final 150. And I think if Maguire can improve his completion %, he will be moved up into the 150 as well.
Surprising
that Maguire is higher ranked than Coker was… Although both are solid QBs, IMO Coker is the better HS QB.
Championship!
Maguire’s JR film > Cokers
Will Maguire’s sr film be > coker’s? we’ll see
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I don't understand how Marcus Maye isn't in the ESPNU 150.....
I think that kid might be one of the top 5 players in Florida and he can play Safety, CB, or LB, along with RB and WR. An athlete that versatile should be in the 150.
Agreed
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Tgat is a good question.
Kid is a stud…pretty sure he belongs.
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by CornNole on Jun 8, 2011 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ESPN punishes position versatility
Check out Billy Tucker’s review of UF commit Matt Jones and why he didn’t make the 150:
RB Matt Jones (Seffner, Fla./Armwood)
Jones is a big back who intrigued us in the evaluation process. He has very good overall size and looks like a linebacker lined up at running back. He displays the tools to transition to college as a runner who flashes good straight-line speed and can be a load back with his size and size potential. We do feel he can make his size work more for him when carrying the rock and believe he could see a move to defense in college. Jones has size and ability, but we’re not convinced running back is his calling in college.
Maybe this is why ESPN........
dropped Wilder from a 5 star to a 4 star last year. They saw him projecting better as an LB, but he wanted to be an RB. But I do think Jones should be in the Top 150, as a RB or an ATH.
Yeah, Wilder wasn’t a 5* runner and espn dropped him because fsu recruited him as a runner and he committed as a runner.
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Punishes it?
Or evaluates him at the position he committed to play?
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While the commitment might be at RB, it doesn't matter much post enrollment
As you’ve said so yourself, JWJ has a good chance of being moved to LB. If Jones falls down the depth chart at RB, I assume UF would move him to LB too. Jimbo wants football players. ESPN wants their position rankings to appear easy to understand.
CraigHaubert: Scooter – we project players to where we feel they will fit best at the college level. If a prospect tells us he is going to school X to play a certain position we will consider that, but ultimately we will place that player where we think he can get the most out of his tools @ the college level.
Interesting.
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that sounds like a certain FSU signee
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Most say us or Bama
but SoFlaNole has been saying we are on top and if he had to decided today Black would be a Nole
by osceolafan2.0 on Jun 8, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bama
I substituted at First Coast and was told Alabama is where he is headed. Who knows though.
One day at a time
As of today yes
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 8, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
What about CB T J Davis from Godby?
Bud is the format for the recruiting board going to be revised to show targets like last year’s showed?
How so?
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last year I recall you had a list of the recruits we had offered or were tageting
but that had not yet committed below the list of the commited players at each position.
I liked it because it allowed us to see who might be a commit before they committed
Oh, well we’ve done that here. The FSU recruits are listed at the top of each position, no?
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OK - upon rereading it - that is clearer now
the listing of players that are Non-FSU commits on the board confused me. But I see now – that they are still targets even if they have commited elsewhere.
I liked last year's format too Bud.
It gave a great indication of who our main targets were and the likelyhood of getting them.
Too early for that.
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but I did change up the positions to make it easier to read.
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Take a look at how many ranked S on the ESPN site are from Florida
It looks like we have about one third of the top 80 nationally
Damn, we are kicking ass in recruiting.
Jimbo and co deserve mad props for the way they are getting after it on the recruiting trail.
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They'll get their props
in the form of trophies.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No freaking way.....
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
& chains & swangin' things?
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by Scalpemall on Jun 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ha! sumpin like dat.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
and boats
“Boats and Hoes!” – FSU’s new theme song…
by TonySopraNOLE on Jun 8, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
"I'M ON A BOAT!!!!"
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Fantastic article on why ME Jr is ranked #1
by basaltrock on Jun 8, 2011 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That is good. Fanshot?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome. Love those
newdy nasty fanshots.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm… huge ends. Who would have thought that
oh, wait, everyone at TN
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Article mentioned right side (WDE)
dumb question, but he’s going to play SDE here. Correct?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
With the current personnel, he's a SDE
Imagine what kind of personnel we’d have to let him play WDE at 275. (See ’03 LSU Front 4)
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Yes
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Do you think '03 LSU D is eventual goal
for Jimbo and Co.? It looks like it’s hard to turn down the speed WDEs that SE has a pure abundance of.
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Think that is unrealistic. Have to match scheme to fit talent pool. fL teams are smaller than the freaks LA breeds
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Imagine the possibilities though
2014/2015
MEJ 290
Jernigan 300 (if hes still here)
NLS 310
Casher 265
Jenkins 245
Onwu 250
Eligwe 235
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by AMFKNole on Jun 8, 2011 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What kind of idiot coach tells a guy if he reaches a certain size he can't play a position, regardless of whether or not he still has the skills to succeed there?
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Muschamp?
Or was that something different? HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 8, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i see what you did there, and i rec'd it
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Joke recognition....golf clap.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 8, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
golf clap?
we are talking about football
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by Miaminole on Jun 8, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
just givin my man some props, ease up
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
That's exactly what I was doing.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 9, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I get the sense you're getting tired of these type wise cracks.
Point taken. Consider the up, eased.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 9, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
TN - better then your average message board at knowing who to ease up on.
nole07 – Moderate. Varsity setting.
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gimme some credit here
i am no pushover. i am at least all-american (i see your Madden and raise you an NCAA)
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Does this not just prove DRusso's rating?
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by FSUvaFan on Jun 9, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
how so?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Whatever coach has a specific outline
On what he wants from he defense and where. Not saying any great coach is going to tell a great DE he cant play that position even though he is just as fast if he put on 20 lbs of muscle. But random coach may think that now he has what he considers ideal size and weight to play the position he feels he would be better at in coach x’s scheme.
Some coaches just have a specific plan and just wont alter from it. Kinda playing devils advocate but more so because I am sure their are some coaches out there that would do just that. And would have said kid a S@C program that makes him stay at a specific size and weight
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You want kids to be as big as possible while maintaining the necessary skills.
The only cutoff there should be is being too small to play a position, not too big. Jmo.
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I agree totally
But their are some stubborn coaches who want their set up their way. May say. “Oh your 200 now. Your moving to DT”.
Dont agree. Think its dumb. And agree 100% with you. But I am sure their are some of those out in the world of coaching
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Dante Fowler.....
I wonder why they haven’t put the Under Armour sign next to Dante Fowler’s name……I know that he just got put on the roster about a week ago, but I thought it would have been updated by now.
Injury maybe?
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ESPN likes our class again
The only team they like more is Texas. 6 players in the topo 50, WOW!
but i think he is actually bigger than that right now
and projects near 300
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I disagree on the 300
I think he’s within 10-15 lbs. of his playing weight at DE.
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Yep
We’re using FL logic on these kids. Texas kids aren’t malnourished and don’t have awful weight programs. Texas kids are much closer to final product than FL kids.q
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but hasnt he blown up over the past year?
i want to say he added a solid 30 pounds, and not all at once, some of it recently
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I have no problem with it, even at 300, at end. He’s grown some, but like I said, Texas stuff is different.
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If he really does get to 6'6"
I could see one mean man at 290 on the edge. Yikes.
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He reminds me of the other "Super Mario"
Mario Williams is 6’6", 295 lbs and is an absolute beast of off the edge. I definitely can see Edwards growing that big and still being able to play the 4-3 DE very effectively at 295-300 lbs. But he definitely has the size to be a 3-4 DE in the NFL someday.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Jun 8, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont have a problem with it at all
i would be happy to see him at 290-295 if he can still move well. the discussion was whether he has the ability to get to that point. i was just pointing out the fact that it doesnt appear he is done growing into his body. which is fine, he is only a junior in high school, there is still a good chance he grows more up and out.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
For reference
Daquan Bowers was drafted at 6’4, 280. He came in at 6’4, 264.
MEJ (6’4, 275ish) is a guy you don’t want to grow in girth (back-to-chest) as a DE. You want him with highly-mobile arms and shoulders, thin-waist (aka little to no bodyfat), and as big a butt and legs as he can genetically add.
He was about 270-280 in this pic. As you can see, he does not have ideal BF% yet. He has a good 5-10 lbs. of adipose tissue that will be gone by his 2nd year in the program.
Again, other than improving BF%, he’s not deficient in size in the upper body. That is, he’s not looking to add much functional size in his upper body.
If he goes the DT path, just eat and lift and let God sort it out.
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by ricobert1 on Jun 8, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
and Rec’d
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wow.
monster.
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by onebarrelrum on Jun 9, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Double shorts.
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I refuse to believe that first guy is real
It is just too good to be true
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He looks to me to be 15% bodyfat or less, judging those pictures.
That is excellent for an incoming Senior in High School DL.
I also agree that he is within 15 lbs or so of his max weight at FSU. I’ll take a lean 285/90-lb MEJ over a somewhat sloppy (~20% bf) 295-lb Marcus Spears.
His muscles will mature over the next few years. Greater density, greater neuro-efficiency, bigger arms/chest/shoulders. Throw in some Bunkley (aka “the Black Goldberg”) traps for added measure.
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definitely more than 15% body fat… for an example.. at about 10% men have 6 pack abs.. i would say closer hes at about 20% with being closer to 25 than 15
by newdynastynole on Jun 9, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely not 25.....mid-to-high teens (upon further review), sure.
Not much in the way of titty meat (which is VERY common at his age/position), and very little noticeable gut.
Considering the amount of muscle he’s carrying, that’s a damn good canvass for Vic to work with.
I myself have the illusion of 6-pack at 10% (because my abs are strength trained and thicker), but a true 6-pack at 8% with visible serratus.
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haha, you said titty.
and meat.
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haha, you said junc.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 9, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
haha...you said haha.
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Well played,
thus ending the conversation with the 7 year old.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 10, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Malnourished?
Having lived extensively in both states I just don’t see what you mean. Texas has very poor school districts as well if that’s what you’re referring to.
Although I agree that Mario is polished simply based on having the Dad he has.
by Nolesos Locos on Jun 8, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The weight training programs at TX high schools on the whole are much better than those in FL. In some cases, TX high schools are on par with some colleges.
I'd agree with that
Unfortunately my high school was a bad example of a TX weight training program, so I suppose I have an altered view
by Nolesos Locos on Jun 8, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. It’s generally accepted that on the whole, Texas kids do not develop as much as Florida kids once they reach college, due to them already developing in HS more.
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It also has to do with private/pubic schools
many good athletes end up in private schools with the extra goodies. Florida public high school kids down here may be lucky if they can afford a new helmet each year
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I think that if he grows 2 more inches like his doctor said he would
He could add more weight than he could now and possibly get close to 300ish. But theres no telling if he is going to grow anymore or not.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And he will consume the English with fireballs from his eyes.....and bolts of lightning from his arse.
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Whats the word on Josh Clemons
Havent heard anything on him in awhile
OL
Their are 20 OL in the top 150 that is a lot
because it is the first week of june and i have nothing better to do..
what are the chances FSU gets 4 of the top 10 currently?
MEJR
Goldman
Diggs
Casher
I know im getting my hopes up here, but could you imagine doing that?? :)
Just Imagine How Many More Will Commit
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Folks: PLEASE do not post a bunch of Clown pictures here in relation to Clowney discussion
This thread is about 2012 kids, not Jadaveon Clowney.
Please make this green so folks see it!!
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Thank you for making it green!
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Is THAT how that works?? I've been trying to figure out the secret....
Please make this green so folks see it!!
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Still not sure it'll work for you
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Damn!!! Maybe a hashtag??
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Bud/Michael
Is there a ranking of players (ESPN, Rivals, 247) that you prefer in comparison with the others? Obviously, ESPN looks best to Noles fans but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re most accurate.
Not Bud or Michael but I prefer ESPN now
I think they’ve supplanted Rivals easily and their rankings line up more with my own line of thinking than others. ESPN has really come a long way in recruiting.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 8, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I take 247 & ESPN into consideration.
I don’t pay attention to Rivals.
I’ll glance at Scout’s in-state ratings, and will pay attention to Geoff and Fish if they feel particularly strong about a kid.
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I don’t know if there is one that is identifiably “bad”, and last year I really believe Rivals was that, and they pretty much acknowledged it.
ESPN and 247 don’t do quotas, scout allegedly does (based on area). ESPN and 247 emphasize linemen, which is what separated elite teams (not skill guys, who everyone can get). Scout will counter that it pays more attention to the whole country.
So overall I do prefer 247 and ESPN.
In terms of reputation, ESPN matters the most by far because the other three do not have a TV network.
Remember also that when a kid is seen matters a lot. Some of these kids add 15-20 pounds between their soph-jr year, or between jr-sr year.
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what kind of quotas are used?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
That is a great haul.
Other notables: Alabama with 6 top 150 guys. Your in-state rivals have 4 (UF) and 5 (Miami), respectively.
The one that is amazing though is Texas, with 9 already. Yikes.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 8, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions
they normally have most of their class locked up early
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Mack
said he was gonna’ back off that a bit so he could evaluate them more a bit later as they progressed?
Big surprise was that OU only had 4, and UGA and UT are batting 0-fer
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 8, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, but
FSU 7/10 (and one is a kicker, haha)
Bama 5/10
Texas 9/17
UF 4/10
Miami 5/12
Texas already has eight non-150 kids.
Mark Richt better get working, though I suspect he’ll win or tie for the east, get a contract extension, and be fired following 2013.
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Want my prediction for real?
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That was rhetorical, right???
… Tell you what, we’ll let you give your opinion THIS TIME, but don’t let the guy who runs this blog catch you. If you DO get caught, you don’t know me.
by GradSchoolNole on Jun 9, 2011 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
no, wanted to see if he would read it.
2011: UGA wins or ties for east.
contract extension.
2012: disappointing year, but won’t fire him after contract extention.
2013: murray’s senior year. disappointing. canned.
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Let’s hope Kirby Smart has moved on to greener pastures by then. We need South Georgia.
by GradSchoolNole on Jun 9, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking at YOU, Charlie Ward, Jr
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Not sure what this means? Clemson is 2nd highest?
With 70% of its commitments in the 150, FSU’s class is easily the highest [second highest— Clemson] quality in the country at this point.
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Jun 8, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions
clemson has a higher percentage of 150 kids than we do
75% of their class is in the 150
70% of ours is
they only have 4 commits though.
by Noleforever9399 on Jun 8, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Dabo
is stocking up for someone to make a run in 2012.
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by Stuck in the Plains on Jun 8, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU could theoretically sign the highest-quality class in the country, yet not get any of the top 6 in Florida
http://espn.go.com/college-football/recruiting/prospects/_/class/2012/state/fl
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That would be very strange.
top six in Florida, two safeties, two olineman, a CB, and an OLB. Were we/are we in contention for those guys? Need them?
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and Travis Blanks is from Tally?
FSU not recruit him? He want to get out of town?
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He wants to get out of town, and imo is by far the most overrated player on that list.
although she is really athletic
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haha, figured you weren't taking a cheap shot,
at least we won’t have pissed off any coaches, we did offer him, rivals lists stoops as his recruiter.
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Reactions from FSU commits on the ESPNU 150
Ukeme “Markuss” Eligwe: “it’s just rankings to me, It means nothing. I don’t let it get to my head, I just remain humble.”
Chris Casher: “When I seen that text I just started smiling. I’m really honored that ESPN has me ranked so highly. They (ESPN’s Jamie Newberg) were down here recently to see me practice and they must have liked what they saw, I’m very excited!”
http://plantthespear.com/showthread.php?390-Mario-Edwards-1-on-ESPN-Watch-List
Is AJ Leggett completely firm to UM? I remember him flopping initially...
Just curious if he’s totally out of play.
I don't know how firm he is, but with our lack of daepth at CB,
he could see significant PT right away.
He’s the one y’all had the fanshot about him switching from UM to FSU and how that was a signal that UM was dead. Then he switched back to UM and wasn’t that good to begin with. That was a small, personal victory for me on this board.
by Nole Resurrected on Jun 9, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I have always liked him
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You stayed positive on the kid, but others
can’t say the same. He was a great steal from UM, but he was no good when he went back.
by Nole Resurrected on Jun 9, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
typical.
I try not to change on kids.
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I didn't say anything different.
As a Miami fan, you should enjoy your little victories over FSU. They are going to be few & far between…
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To be succeeded by "The Golden Shower".
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"I like him" - Jimbo Fisher, when asked which QB he liked most during his first week of practice at FSU....referring to a freshman, former 3* recruit named Christian Ponder.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 9, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that seemed like a very poor use of TWSS.
But, whatever.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jun 10, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He sucks
unless he wants to come play for FSU. Then he is the bestest.
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
Whatever makes you feel better, bro. I would love to have him back, and we may very well end up flipping him back.
It’s not like we don’t have a ridiculous class already without him though, and it’s not like our CBs are going to lack talent without him if he does go to UM.
well
he does have Burger King hands…
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by nole07 on Jun 9, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see him as a kid who will stay committed to Miami for a while, will deny interest in other schools to keep pressure off, then flip somewhere else on signing day.
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You know
I would have been happy with 2 of the top 10 defensive ends in America.
Two of the top players overall at such a clear position of need is awesome.
Of all out commits to this point
A season away and 10 months Till NSD. Not to try and shed any negativity to all the great news. But of who we have. Who are we completely solid on that we know will sign when the day comes and who do we rally want that sig in hand before really jumping up and down
MEJ I feel confident cause of bloodlines but he did grow up in a place that doesnt let top talent leave, Never mind top kid in the country
Casher I believe was the one who recently wrote on FB that he was 100% Nole as now certain coaches who were saying he was good now aren’t but he was one I always had a feeling could flip.
Fowler I dont know. Seems solid. But seems to also be sure to take his visits like casher
Taylor seems like he has his mind made up and FSu is where he will be
Eligwe seemed to really make it clear once he committed that was it. I am sure our kicker isnt going anywhere
P.J was out first commit and seems very happy
And Pender seems pretty solid
Bit if we lose someone to a flip as crazy as it seems I could still see casher, Fowler or even MEJ being the ones to do it as they will still be recruited like crazy and are all coming from out of area
But are any of these commits to this point seem like they are late possible flips (I know it can be anyone) or does it seem like the only reason one of these ends up not able to give us his sig is cause of grades or coaching change.
I just ask cause I always want to already have a slight preparation for it so its not a piano falling on me if it does
Part 2 of this even though a million names have been mentioned as FSU favorites or who we would like to see. Which of the rest of the top 150 is most likely to sign with us next based on when they plan to announce and how they feel about us and us them while looking for needs in a smaller class
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the only one im worried about is fowler…that being said, anyone can surprise… just seems fowler is leaving the door open a lil bit
by newdynastynole on Jun 9, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Long way to go on Eligwe
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Other part to the article up a bit
Casher also went on to say that he is making great strides in the classroom and is on track to qualify. He also says if he takes any visits this summer, the only school he’ll visit is FSU. Casher said this about his commitment to FSU, “My mind is made up, and my heart is at FSU.”
From Plant the spear, was a phone call with Chris
In the last month or so I've become a whole lot less worried about Casher flipping, not worried about him anymore
Eligwe is the one to watch, as well as Fowler (his grades as well).
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Eligwe says he's "100% committed to FSU"
plus he’s a kid of character (JROTC student), good GPA, etc. Fowler is as solid as these guys, but he does have work to do in the classroom.
Championship!
disagree but not going to push the point
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard other express the same doubts you do
& I believe he’s taking visits (like most commitments). Who’s pursuing him hardest?
Championship!
Georgia mostly concerns me with Eligwe
I think they’ll be right there til the end.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Georgia is will all recruits till the end
cause thats when they offer
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It's different with Eligwe
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
And Eligwe is one I trust to stick
Isn’t he the one who wanted to study Criminology and commit to the place he planned on stationing.Of course its all talk till they sign. But he seemed like he was pretty strong on his commit. Casher seems to be more solid then ever. Fowler is one I am not sure about but I get the feeling in the end he sees who signed the class before him. Who is signing after with him. And realize he can get a ring…or 2 as well as an NFL career through FSU
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My concerns have nothing to do with what he sayd or his character, Eligqe is a fantastic kid
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by NoleThruandThru on Jun 9, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
your holding out some goods on us
arent you
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clemson just got a 3 star recruit
we now have the highest quality class again :)
7 & counting
Not only does the ESPN 150 include 7 Nole commits, but what also amazes me is the number of uncommitted prospects that are strongly considering FSU (at least according to ESPN):
2. Eddie Goldman, DT – FSU in top 15
3. Dorial Green-Beckham, WR – oh, never mind
6. Keith Marshall, RB – Noles part of extensive list
15. Jameis Winston, QB – FSU in top 2 of 5
19. Tracy Howard, CB – behind UF, but in top 5
22. Andrus Peat, OT – FSU one of 5 favorites
24. Josh Harvey-Clemons, OLB – FSU in top 5
29. Chris Black, WR – FSU in top 3
33. Quay Evans, DT – FSU on long list
41. Nelson Agholor, ATH – FSU in top 3
42. Avery Johnson, WR – committed to LSU, but FSU 1 of 3 still in the picture
44. Jonathon Taylor, DT – FSU 1 of 6 favorites
66. Deon Bush, S – Noles on long list
78. Barry Sanders, RB – Noles in top 5
80. Chad Kelly, QB – FSU in top 5
100. Tyriq McCord, DE – FSU has "joined the mix"
107. Leonard Williams, DT – will visit FSU
110. Marvin Bracy, ATH – has already visited
118. Justin Shanks, DT – plans to visit
136. Brian Poole, CB – FSU in top 2
143. Malcolm Lewis, WR – FSU in top 5
147. Kent Taylor, TE – FSU in top 3
Obviously, many of those on this list will not wind up at Florida State, but I remember not too many seasons ago when I viewed the rankings & FSU was rarely even mentioned among top recruits. These are exciting times.
by Nole33 on Jun 9, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Good work. That’s a ton!
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I read through the "recruiting updates" on all of the top 150
I was VERY surprised at the kids from all over the country that had UM in their list. Kids from CA and WA. Just because we know the state of the UM program doesnt mean all that old swag luster has worn off. Obviously they will not committ sight unseen but it still made me pause for a second.
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
Thanks for noticing.
We’ll have a couple of leaner years after this year. We won’t fall off the face of the Earth for two years like Bud thinks, but we wont be competing for much but a mid tier bowl. After that, we’ll be back.
ETA: Not “WEEEEE’RE BAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!” idiocy. I ‘mean we’ll be competing for the conference.
by Nole Resurrected on Jun 9, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean: competing for you division
which you’ve never won since you joined the ACC. #keepingitreal
Championship!
Soooo.......absolute status quo then??
but we wont be competing for much but a mid tier bowl.
-Emerald Bowl (loss)
-Champs Sports Bowl (loss)
-Sun Bowl (loss)
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We won't be competing for the Champs bowl.
Maybe Emerald or Sun Bowl, or worse. I really don’t see us not being bowl eligible, though. OLine and running game will keep us eligible.
by Nole Resurrected on Jun 9, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's pretty hard to NOT get bowl eligible...
Then again—you DO still have Starvin Marvin throwing passes………………….somewhere.
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Not next year.
We are talking about 2012, right?
by Nole Resurrected on Jun 10, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
2011-2015.
Yes, I think 2012 will be especially brutal for UM (translation: AWESOME), but I simply cannot envision a scenario where UM beats FSU before 2015…..if even then. They are simply too far behind & despite hiring the crown jewel of Big East coaching (#Sarcasm), the gap will widen, not shrink. Everyone talking about how improved the UM coaching staff is now forgets that FSU’s coaching staff is also improved……..MORESO. FSU & (unfortunately) UF are simply head & shoulders above UM, as a team and a program…and that is not changing anytime soon.
The further removed UM is from their glory years of 2001-2003, the better it will be for FSU. Your “we gotz 5 rangz, yo!” sales job gets less & less impressive when you can’t even win the ACC Coastal Division.
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I just wish the University would have cooperated.
It could have been a great recruiting tool.
by Nole Resurrected on Jun 9, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say it's NOT??
Kids have no grasp of perspective these days….that show served 100% as a recruiting tool.
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so did anyone read the hoops article?
i was stoked to see the sarg @ #1, but based on his athleticism/versatility i expected to see o white on the list ahead of him or m snaer -
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