Noles News 07.12.11
by Bud Elliott on Jul 12, 2011 7:48 AM EDT
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Brandon Jenkins and EJ Manuel will represent Florida State at ACC media days. Two fine choices by coach Fisher as these are two of the players on the team who are also good people.
Biggest question facing the ACC in 2011 - ACC Blog - ESPN
It's whether FSU is a legit national title contender. Virginia Tech is a great #2 or #3 or a conference.
Xavier Rhodes and Greg Reid were named to the Thorpe Award watch list. Don't get me started on watch lists, but these two deserved to make it. Know who else did? Mike Harris. But they won't throw three corners from the same team on the list.
Chris Casher is transferring to Davidson HS (the school of fellow FSU commitment, Alphonse Taylor). Great move as it will help Casher make the grades he needs to qualify and Davidson does not let players participate in the recruiting game once they make a commitment. There will no doubt be some grumblings from people at his former school.
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Oklahoma got back its All-America candidate at Corner in Jamell Flemming.
As a follow up to the story we did over the weekend, Miami took commitments from two more players not listed in the ESPNU150, Rivals 250, Scout 300, or The 247 of 247Sports.com. FSU had offered Herb Waters. James Burgess did not have any major offers (UF & LSU offers 100% fabricated per a good source).Eye on the U | Norland duo helps Canes pick up commitments from Homestead's Waters, Burgess
Man-o'-man does BTP crush ESPN here: The Trouble With Fun Facts - Backing The Pack: Russell Wilson may well have a rough time at Wisconsin, but this is not the way to go about arguing that point.
Examining the Atlantic: Wake Forest – Chopping Block – Seminoles Blog – Orlando Sentinel
The Deacs appear to be trending back toward some semblance of a successful team. Will that mean they’ll be challenging the Atlantic Division’s big boys for a spot in the ACC title game? Probably not. At least not yet. If they continue to trend this way, they’re still probably a few seasons away, at best. But, are they in position to be better than last year’s team? Definitely. Increased depth in key areas with players who are still either juniors or sophomores means that they are getting better in various ways. This could be a five- and, if it’s lucky, six-win team. Of course, Wake won’t be content with only five or six wins, but that is more than three.
I am more pessimistic than Coley here.
Maryland Stops the Bleeding, Expects Season Ticket Sale Increase - Testudo Times
Terps are getting a much-needed bump in season ticket sales. Must be thanks to Randy Edsall's awesome personality, right?
General CFB
The Data Sharing Project Takes A Gigantic Step Forward - Football Study Hall
Game and season college football statistics from 1998-2010 now available.
2011 Season Preview: Cooking Channel Commercials And The Stanford Cardinal - SBNation.com
It's just not supposed to be as easy as Harbaugh made it look. Stanford improved in every year of his tenure, and while I am not nearly as optimistic about the David Shaw era as a whole (if for no other reason than Harbaugh was a great coach, and even if Shaw's only good, there's a step backwards on the horizon), 2011 should still be a great one for the Cardinal. Whether "great" means another nine or ten wins, or whether it means a shot at the national title, will depend on how much regression we see on the defensive side of the ball. I see the offense rolling at a high level, particularly in October and November (once the offensive line has gotten a change to gel), but the defense is quite a question mark. A unit tends to regress a bit after sudden ascension, anyway, but when you throw in the loss of the defensive coordinator and a good portion of the front seven, that's a problem.As a whole, however, when the Football Outsiders Almanac 2011 is released (coming soon!), you're going to see lofty projections for Stanford, in part because the role of coaching changes on projections is so dicey. But coaching change or no, the early schedule will give them a chance to work out whatever kinks have settled in this offseason. Perhaps the biggest game on the schedule is the September 17 trip to Arizona. The Wildcats are facing their own demons at the moment (no offensive line and Juron Criner's up-in-the-air position on the team, to name two), but if Stanford gets past that one, a 7-0 start is likely. The schedule is backloaded (at USC, at Oregon State, Oregon, California, Notre Dame in the last five), but this is a team built to improve as time progresses. We'll worry about Stanford's prospects for 2012 and beyond in 2012 ... for now, they should have one more really nice run in them. Whether they can match 2011's "decadent little slice of heaven" remains to be seen, but they should at the very least contend for a "highly addictive" division crown.
Prediction: ACC vs. Notre Dame - ACC Blog - ESPN
During November, it might seem as if Notre Dame suddenly became an honorary member of the ACC. The Irish will face three different ACC teams in a span of three weeks. And they should win them all.
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Nobody what Miami does I know realize your going to criticize.
Unbelievable.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 8:07 AM EDT reply actions
There is no criticism. I just noted that they were not on any of the four major lists.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 12, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Okay but I'm glad Miami got them because they are two studs in the making.
Both impressed at last weekend’s opening.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Burgess? Good luck with that.
I like Waters. Burgess is not an upper-level BCS player.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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What JC Shurburtt had to day about Burgess
JC Shurburtt on Burgess (Talking about players who stood out at The Opening):
James Burgess- Burgess is a player I saw back at the Miami Under Armour Combine in February and liked, but during this event he appears to have taken it up a notch. The linebacker was active in coverage and had a nice interception. Stock up.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 12, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
He may have improved, but I still see him as a Louisville/Mississippi type
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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I understand what you are saying, Bud
But can you also respect where I’m coming from? I went to school with his father, and he was an excellent LB who didn’t get a ton of national attention because Homestead is under the radar.
Jr. is still on the smallish side (listed at 208 right now), but he has his entire senior year to grow, play, and produce. I’m not trumpeting him as the best recruit we have or the guy that is overlooked by everyone, I’m just pointing out that he is a CANDIDATE to be ranked higher by the end of the season.
It was another poster (not you) who said that Burgess had not impressed at “The Opening”.
Believe me, Golden still needs to prove to me that his talent evaluation skills are strong enough to get me comfortable with a class of 22 by mid-July. But I also think he has some proven development skills, so I think a lot of these kids will play and play early. I just think you and I differ on where their ceilings are.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 12, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess everyone is a candidate to be ranked higher, but I ask why?
Is he under-exposed? Definitely not, as Homestead is a high-profile school with D1 prospects every year.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Homestead is NOT a high-profile school
It’s at the ass-end of Dade, nobody goes down there to watch games unless they have to.
Besides, Waters has been hurt for the past 2 years.
Oh, and Burgess…
HE TRANSFERRED INTO HOMESTEAD after being at Doral Academy for a year and then going to South Dade for a year. So Burgess has NOT been at Homestead for 3 years, and he has only recently started going to camps and combines.
So, yes, before recently both Burgess and Waters have been relatively under-exposed, despite playing for Homestead.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
"nobody goes down there to watch games unless they have to"
that seems to be a common theme with miami fans
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jul 13, 2011 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Bull.
Homestead is very high profile because it has athletes. No scout goes to dade without visiting homestead. I don’t care what fans do. I know what evaluators do and they absolutely go to homestead.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Look, Bud, you're just wrong on this one
Generally, and specifically.
First, Rivals and Scout may send their one regional scout to Homestead, but otherwise it is not a school that dominates the news coverage in SoFla, nor is it a school that gets a lot of respect and attention at Rivals or Scout. When it comes time for the Rivals/Scout staffs to rank these players, Homestead has nowhere near the high profile of the power programs in other states, as it’s an upper mid-tier program in SoFla from the outset.
Second, you don’t even address the fact that Burgess started at Doral Academy and then South Dade before ever benefitting from the “high profile” exposure at Homestead. Can you ever admit when you are wrong, and just say “yeah, maybe Burgess hasn’t had a lot of exposure before now”?
You seem to be big on providing a lot of detail, a lot of “why” (having read the glowing reviews of the FSU preview publication available for sale in most Tallahassee Piggly Wigglys), so I’m not sure why you can’t just admit that Burgess has been overlooked. You are just arguing with me about Homestead’s profile. As a person who lived in SoFla for 15 years, I can assure you that Homestead is middle-of-the-pack when it comes to local news coverage. Northwester, Central, Booker T, Coral Gables, Killian, Columbus, Ransom Everglades, Hialeah-Miami Lakes, St. Thomas Aquinas, Dillard, Taravella, Cardinal Newman, Pahokee, etc. are all more heavily hyped programs.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
You are arguing against Homestead,
yet you bring up Ransom Everglades, Cardinal Newman, and even Hialeah-ML, and Coral Gables. They only reason they even get local news coverage IS because they are local. Oh and by the way, I’m sure you do know Pahokee is not local, so why even mention it with the few good programs and the rest of the scrubs on your list.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I'm not arguing "against" Homestead, I'm saying they aren't as high profile
I’m talking about the combination of the Herald/Sun-Sentinel/Post and the local TV stations. I know exactly where Pahokee is, and they get press all the time in SoFla.
The point is, hype starts locally – who are the best players for the big name schools, and then the out-of-town scouts pick up on it and follow those kids.
I mentioned schools that get press all year long across all sports. Not every single one is necessarily a football powerhouse every year, I’m just saying that there are so many schools that command more attention than Homestead.
Feel free to name all the high-profile recruits that have come out of Doral Academy (where Burgess started out). Or even South Dade, where he played before transferring to Homestead.
If anyone wanted to be honest, they would admit that Burgess transferred twice in order to raise his profile. We can nitpick where Homestead is in the SoFla hierarchy, but the original point that Bud made is that Burgess couldn’t possibly be underrated because he is at Homestead. He’s only been at Homestead for a year.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm don't care about Burgess.
I’m just saying that there are so many schools that command more attention than Homestead.
Of course there are and you named a few. But you also named Ransom Everglades, Cardinal Newman, Taravella, Hialeah-ML, Coral Gables, in the same sentence as Northwestern, Dillard, Central, Booker, and St. Thomas. If you want to say Homestead is middle of the pack, which I don’t really disagree with, those other ones are the bottom scrapers and should not be mentioned in the same sentence. That is my only point.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
As someone who has lived in Miami for 26 of my 29 years
I can assure you that you are wrong.
On top of that, he said scouts. That isnt specifically Rivals or Scout, that also includes the scouts that matter (college coaches).
Homestead gets plenty of attention down here. You also forgot to mention Palmetto
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
The "scouts that matter"?
For purposes of this discussion, we were talking about the scouts who are responsible for the player rankings. And that is Rivals/Scout, not the college coaches.
Analyze it another way. Now that Burgess has accepted an offer to his father’s alma mater, what (if anything) will change in his rankings—it won’t be the college coaches coming around, it will be whether Rivals/Scout raise his ranking based upon camps, combines, senior season, and all-star games.
Homestead gets mid-pack attention in SoFla. That’s the truth. But it’s certainly a hell of a lot better than Doral Academy or South Dade.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong
what (if anything) will change in his rankings—it won’t be the college coaches coming around
services routinely increase ratings when multiple big schools offer, mostly because they dont want to look like they missed a kid that everybody else liked.
it also depends on which school it is, as Barry Every can tell you.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
That's why both of our programs' classes a few years back didn't translate to the field.
Everyone we offered, and usually signed, got a huge bump. Alot of them didn’t deserve it and here we are now.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 14, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree with that at all.
We sucked because of poor coaching, lazy recruiting and a poor infrastructure to assist the players once on campus. We didn’t suck because recruiting services gave us false hope.
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He hasn't been too bad and it's OK for him to argue his point intelligently, but it's that type of snide comment, just like the one I deleted, that may have him joining Lamar if they continue.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
having read the glowing reviews of the FSU preview publication available for sale in most Tallahassee Piggly Wigglys
Don’t be dissing the Pig. I’m eating a bag of skins there right now.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 14, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
While it seems every commit you get is a stud in the making
Waters did impress. Burgess did not.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jul 12, 2011 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions
With proper coaching both of these kids can be very good.
Especially Waters. Burgess maybe not right away but in time. He has that swag that I’m looking for that maybe you guys dont understand or maybe you do.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Waters is a corner. No doubt in my mind Miami will flip him.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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So your saying Miami will make him a Corner?
If thats the case then they have room for 2 more Wr’s.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
For the love of all that is holy, don't say swag. Remember.....
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
How did you get to be such a F'n cool ass Hurricane Fan?
There is no way in Hell you live in Coral Gables.
Jimbo Fisher, making opposing head coaches analysts on ESPN since 2010.
It's actually pretty simple.....
I know football.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I live in Coral Gables
And the cane fans here are pretty reasonable. They are some of the more affluent/educated members of Miami-Dade. Many even went to UM. Now, if you are talking Hialeah/West Kendall/Alapattah/most of Broward then yes, the generalization of your typical cane fan is dead on.
Funny how the turds are the polar opposites. The educated ones are unbearable with their arrogance
That's not polar opposite
because the poor/uneducated ones are still unbearable.
by geoffissiffoeg on Jul 12, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Was gonna say, even the poors are pretty repellent
case in point:
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
that must be a LSU fan mocking the gates
theres no way someone would actually wear that…then again
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I didn't even catch that.
I was gonna say there’s no “I” in winning, but there still is.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you have a .gif of the two Miami players last year riding pony and spanking each other?
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Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Close enough?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jul 12, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Al Golden has ordered 85 of these for his players wear around their neck, to remind them that what they lack in talent, they make up with SWAG.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jul 12, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The program doesn't have the money for that, so Golden got them this instead
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Well, that's just not true, Burgess did impress some
JC Shurburtt on Burgess (Talking about players who stood out at The Opening):
James Burgess- Burgess is a player I saw back at the Miami Under Armour Combine in February and liked, but during this event he appears to have taken it up a notch. The linebacker was active in coverage and had a nice interception. Stock up.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 12, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Time for a little more Rainbow Connection
“The lovers, the dreamers, and Canes” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSFLZ-MzIhM
i wish I could re-post that picture. Weird Al should make a parody:
“Why are there so many..
Canes who are retards?
And why recruit unranked guys…”
The artist formerly known as FiestaNole.
by PeachTreeNole on Jul 12, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everybody! Singalong time!
They think Golden’s got vision, but it’s all illusion
Recruiting shows nothing inside…
Yet they’ve been told and they choose to believe it,
We know they’re wrong, and a pain.
Someday they’ll make it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers and Canes…
Who says that every wish would be heard and answered
When wished on a Golden star?
They already tried that, with Coker and Shannon,
Look what they’ve done so far.
Underachievement, the stadium’s vacant,
There’s no ACC title game…
Someday they’ll make it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers and Canes.
All of them under the spell,
They think those 5 rings are all maaa-gic…
Have they been half asleep? Do they read the Herald?
Statements all sounding the same.
Are we Bass fishing? They why all the trolling,
When their whole program’s in flames?
I’ve heard it too many times to ignore them,
I know now there’s no hope they’ll change
They just can’t make it, the rainbow connection,
The lovers, the dreamers and Canes.
La da da dee, da da oooh,
Ba dah da da, da dee da D’oh!
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Jul 12, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I would rec this 5 times
But it has way to much swag and hidden potential, so I’ll leave it at 1.
Sleeper Rec!
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2. Everything else
by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 12, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Who the hell rec'd this??
CaneRes & TheOriginalCane??
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by SteadfastNole on Jul 13, 2011 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions
OK, that narrows it down. Looking at YOU, FlaGators.
>: (
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I have no idea what you just said
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by freshcollegeboy on Jul 12, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
ha! I’ve been trying to decipher for a couple minutes and still can’t figure it out.
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by Gulfport Nole on Jul 12, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess not. My bad. Excuse my poor English.
I just realized that comment made no sense. LOL
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I can respond here:
There is yellow pharmacy thirsty dog inside understanding ceviche go go power ranger.
That should do it.
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by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 12, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
I read this post four times and still don't know what you said
So I guess my only question to you is http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=m_mDTLphIVY
(Bad language…you’ve been warned).
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by Curtain Jerker on Jul 12, 2011 10:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome news on Casher.
This guy is a beast. Grades my biggest concern over Bama.
by Shooter McFrattin on Jul 12, 2011 8:08 AM EDT reply actions
Casher is not going anywhere. Seminoles fans stop worrying.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He's going after your ball-carriers........Canes fans start worrying.
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I’m assuming there will be an online feed…
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by freshcollegeboy on Jul 12, 2011 8:24 AM EDT reply actions
If you guys get a chance...check the comments section on that Miami article...I almost burned by loins by drinking coffee and then spitting it out all over myself
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
week 6, 2011 football season:
Miami Fan: “Why aren’t we better!? We signed a stud recruiting class!!!”
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Jul 12, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Last years class was not a stud recruiting class.
This years class will be studly but last years not so much.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
yeahhhhh
shoulda been a 2012 up there.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 12, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I agree 2012 will be a tough year as opposed to this year for Miami.
But I’m willing to accept that if it means a lot of winning in 2013 and beyond.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't there will be alot of winning 2013 and beyond.
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There will be..........for FSU.
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by O-Town Nole on Jul 12, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
man, the willful ignorance is just sad
in an article about getting a kid that is good, not great, and a kid that really isnt any good at all, this is what they have to say:
Gaturds getting smoked on the recruiting trail
and then this gem, which shows a lack of any knowledge of the kids we just pulled from SoFL in the last 2 years:
Hey seminole WTF u doin on a UM chat go back semi holes chat u guys jus got lucky that there were a lot of good kids in northern florida
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
For real…I love how Miami people or anyone not in the know think they can sign 35 kids…I thought the rule is 25 signies that will enter normally…and early enrollies, which can only number as much as the previous year allows…and the total of normals to ee’s can only be 30 at max. I have no idea about JuCos
I’ve checked the math. They can enroll 31 I think.
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You are correct, Bud
6 EEs against 2011, 25 against 2012. Thompson will sign a baseball contract.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 12, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
they can get verbals from 50
Prob still only have 30 that qualify
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Right, caine, because...
we’ve had sooooo many who don’t qualify, right?
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 12, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
As many as the typical school.
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Fewer, actually
But why let facts get in the way of a good myth?
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are you creating some fictitious rumor just so you can look cool knocking it down?
Graig Cooper, Orlando Franklin, LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Davis, Tavadis Glenn, Brandon Washington and possibly others have all had qualifying issues in the last handful of years. It’s about how many the typical program should have. I’m not talking Ole Miss or Sun Belt types.
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because straw men are pansies
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I know it's tough sometimes, but let's not get personal, even by implication. Thanks.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
wasnt meant to be a personal comment
just a joke about why someone would create a straw man argument for the sole purpose of burning him to the ground. my apologies, no offense intended.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
also, the "straw man" was referring the actual, personified argument, not the person making it
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I understand, we're good. Just want to make sure everybody plays by the same rules, even when it's the good guys vs the bad guys.
JK canes.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Let's add Delmar Taylor to that list to make at least 7 non-quals.
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Bud
OU CB is Jamell Fleming, not Donnie Fletcher of Boston College.
"This year I am focused on scoring. I want to score, along with getting good field position for the offense. I am going to try and score a little bit this year. I kinda miss the endzone a little bit." -G5
How can Miami’s class be full of studs when 70% of them are not highly rated skill guys. 33% of the “under the radar” skill guys will actually make it, at best…Skill guys are rarely under the radar due to their ability to sell subscriptions and their flashy nature…I would be a little more “wait and see” if UM had a bunch of “under the radar” O and D lineman committed…Unless you have dominating O and D lines, the skills of the skill guys cannot be shown.
XR (like Patrick Robinson) would look bad if the D line resembled 2009 FSU
Another point that is also funny, I believe Miami has the same number of ESPN 150 members (which are skill guys) that FSU does, with twice the # of commits…and I believe 4 of FSU’s are lineman…hmmmmmmmm, upcoming domination:)
Not going to get into. We have had this debate repeatedly.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry…just responding to a segment of the update article…came to school in 2005, and probably was the last class to hate UM more than UF, since FSU and UM were on the same level of decline and suckage… just as a side bar, I take great pleasure in the thought of Miami in 2012 and 2013 and I’ll be wondering what those who said “these awesome recruiting classes are going to get us NC’s in 2013” are thinking.
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The Miami NC talk will start in 2013 but probaly doesnt have a chance of happening until 2014
2013 should be a year where Miami competes for the ACC title however.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
2014 NC talk? The 2011 FSU class, which was large and full of lineman quality, will be the foundation for 2014…what was Miami’s 2011 class like? Oh yeah, full of scrubs with limited lineman…With this 2012 UM class, which is going to be massive, and lets say average to above average talent for arguements sake, how are they going to sign elite players across the board for 2013 when they may not make a bowl in 2012?
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Make a bowl?
In this conference with a head coach and staff that can actually coach that has Florida talent along with the fact that Stephen Morris is no slouch. And you think they might not even make a bowl? Please elaborate because that baffles me. And btw Miami’s 2011 class is not as bad as everybody thinks it is, especially giving the turmoil surrounding the team this past season.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The 2011 class is bad. I understand what you're saying.
Considering the cicumstances, I think Golden did a good job with limited face time for the 2011 class. The class was still bad, though. We got about 3 players that will prove to be studs. That won’t cut it as the norm.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
One can say its bad because its small but talent is to be had in that class.
Some of it might not be ready for a year or two but its there. Its up to the coaches to find it and utilize it efficiently.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we have 3 players that could be special in this class.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say 3 more will be key contributors. That’s still only 6 players. You need at least around ten that contribute in each class.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats where they have to rely more on 2010' class which was big
and to a lesser extent this year’s class though a year or two younger. No one said it will be easy fixing the mess Shannon created.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
No one said it will be easy fixing the mess Shannon created.
But you make it sound that way.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
No I think we are most definitely heading in the right direction
and want to acknowledge the fact that Miami has a plan and attitude in place in which I cant stress the importance of in these times.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Golden has the right ideas in place to turn it around.
I also think we have to have some things go our way that’s not totally in our control, too.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Cane on cane
msg board fight… this is like the first time I watched a coed lingerie pillow fight… from the privacy of my own home! :)
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CANE on CANE VIOLENCE?!?!
EXCELLENT
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But wil Golden have time?
I think the biggest decider for Golden will be the amount of time he’s given. In the next 3 years I think things are going to be shannon-like. You’ll see a mediocre Miami team that loses some it shouldnt and still cant hang with UF. More 8-9 win seasons. You might sneak in a good win against FSU or VT, but it wont be Miami of old. After that, I could see things getting better, but I think Golden will be canned long before then.
Let Golden coach a game first
and then we can make assumptions.
“still cant hang with UF”
In recruiting? i’m confused
Don't they play UF in the near future?
Unfortunately for U, it’s not this year.
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Can you say mismatch?
They do play at “home” though, don’t they?
Not sure where it is.
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There is no way in hell Foley agreed to a game in Miami
Regardless of the lack of a real home field advantage for the Canes
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by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 12, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, don't I feel sheepish
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by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 12, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The 2010 class?
The class that’s already lost 1/3 of its signees? (I can only name 5 of them but the others have been listed before.) Of its eight 4*/5*, per Rivals, it’s lost 4 of them. And per ESPN 3 of 8 are gone. All of this after only one full season.
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I think he is a bit confused.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He's also a bit banned
So forgive him if he doesn’t respond.
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So I could just keep insulting him
Without worrying about him responding back.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud has talked about this issue a lot…but just some bullet points…jump in Bud if I miss something…
The elite classes from 2007 and 2008 are gone.
2012 UM will be relying on those from the terrible 2009, 2010, and 2011 classes….and the more talented players form the 2009 and 2010 will have left early or are currently not even there
2011 class is not very good, a couple of guys at the top are talented, but they will be second year players, that means young and not physically developed
20 seniors off of the 2011 team will graduate, 12 starters and 6 to 7 significant backups, this does not include the juniors that have the ability to make the jump
I believe that your starting D line and the majority of the O line will be gone…along with the rest of the quality defensive players that makes up the 2 deep
the coastal side is a lot tougher than the atlantic side, so that is worth 1 to 2 more losses itself
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
The O Line is actually the only unit Randy left in good shape to sustain. From ESPN BR Report:
From ESPN BR Report:
OFFENSIVE LINE : Four starters return off last year’s starting offensive line, but what Golden likes about the group are the distribution of classes — two seniors, a junior and a sophomore. “The offensive line is probably the one position at Miami that looks the way it should look in terms of symmetry,” Golden said.
Fisch points to the continuity provided by offensive line coach Art Kehoe, who has won five national title rings on the Miami staff. “He’s the best offensive line coach in the country,” he said. "We’re really excited about our offensive line.
Senior guard Harland Gunn (6-2, 310) is the most experienced returnee with 18 career starts. But junior guard Brandon Washington (6-4, 320), a first-team All-ACC pick last season, is the most polished blocker up front. He has a chance to be the best offensive lineman in the ACC. Senior center Tyler Horn (6-4, 305) moved into the starting lineup for the first time a year ago and started all 13 games for the ’Canes.
However, the biggest — and potentially the best — prospect up front is massive sophomore tackle Seantrel Henderson (6-8, 345). He moved into the starting lineup as a true freshman early last season and earned first-team freshman All-America honors. The nation’s top-rated recruit in 2010, Henderson first committed to USC, then switched to Miami.
Henderson struggled last spring with injuries, but in the long run, Golden thinks his big man can be even better after dropping 40 pounds (down from 385). “The expectations with him are almost unrealistically high,” Golden said. “But if he just learns to follow the process and doesn’t have the ups and downs and can just ignore the outside expectations, he’s going to be a really good player.”
But as good as Henderson can be, it’s not certain that he can beat out redshirt freshman Malcolm Bunche (6-7, 320), who was voted the team’s most improved offensive player in spring and was listed as the starter on the post-spring depth chart. Fisch insisted that was a reflection of Bunche’s emergence, not a knock on Henderson.
There was also hot competition at the other tackle spot, where sophomore Jermaine Johnson (6-6, 320) and junior Ben Jones (6-5, 310) are locked in a battle for the starting job. Further depth will come from redshirt freshman Shane McDermott (6-4, 290) at center and from sophomores Jared Wheeler (6-5, 315) and Brandon Linder (6-6, 310) at guard.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
MIami's OL
They have some GAM.. I like the U’s offensive line, and they seem to have good depth. That line is built to mash you out of the I formation. Iso’s, powers, and counters.. I am not so sure their feet will pass the smell test running a bunch of outside zone plays like our OL… All I can say is that I hope we are good up front on defense to post up those big ugly’s..
Art Kehoe is back
and is one of the best OL coaches during his prime. I’ll say he still has it, too.
What are you glorifying with your life?
That massive o-line didn't seem to help us last year against you all
Granted, Jacory’s decision-making and Shannon’s coaching only compounded the situation.
I know you guys will definitely be improved from last season, but so will we. The problem with last year’s team wasn’t talent, it was discipline.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think FSU and UNC match up very will with UNC because of the size on the defensive line. I don’t think any other teams on Miami’s schedule have that.
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UNC is going to have that size as long as Butch is there
Our guys looked a lot bigger (to me, at least) when he was at Miami too.
I watched the matchup between them and LSU yesterday and I started thinking to myself that if you told each team to trade jerseys, you wouldn’t be able to tell which team was which (if you weren’t a fan of either team, of course). I’m used to SEC teams looking 10x more physical and intimidating than ACC teams, but Butch really had something going with that program. They looked every bit as big and intimidating as LSU.
Just imagine if Quinn was chasing after Jefferson instead of some random backup.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU and UNC, Miami, and Clemson to me, look like SEC teams. Not sure if Miami will once the 08 class leaves. ’10 and ’11 guys not nearly as impressive.
Yep, UNC could have been best team in America last year.
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Speaking of weights
Bud, what do you think of OU’s front seven? Think they’re currently checking in around 1750 pounds.
Think that could hurt them this year?
Formerly known as 'stilts'
I think their backers are really talented. But yeah, I think Fisher will run EJ a ton
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Should be ok
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FSU's Scheme
Looks a lot like an SEC scheme. The hybrid D with a pro-style O is a blueprint. Is the spread O leaving as fast as it came?
Go Noles!
so long as there are athletic QBs that arent much for QBing, it will stick
you need a strong arm and good wheels, but dont need any semblance of QB intelligence or decision making skills. if you cant learn a playbook or read a defense, but you can move and throw, you can be a productive QB in the spread.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Am I to understand
you don’t think Tebow dosen’t have QB intelligence? Well,sir…………………I agree
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was actually closer to Cam "hold up a number for the play" Newton
but the point remains
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
its more than "throw the ball here to that guy or just run"
any idiot can throw the ball. to be a QB, you must be able to read a defense (if only decently), understand route combinations and how they contribute to each play you run, and why you do the things you do. a trained, true QB, not an athlete playing QB, should be able to do at least moderately well in, say, John Gruden QB camp. you cant expect a college QB to understand the full Gruden playbook all at once, but he should be able to articulate what routes work when, and why, when asked to explain himself. he should also be able to understand what the defensive look says in regards to his playcall, and what he is likely to see when he snaps the ball. i dont expect every QB to be able to audible to multiple plays or be Peyton Manning, but it takes a certain level of understanding of the game to distinguish a QB from an athlete playing QB.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
We differ here. I would define being the Quarterback as effectively moving the ball down the field within the confines of the system of the offense.
I think we too often draw a narrow definition of what a quarterback is supposed to be. If your system doesn’t require you to make multiple coverage reads, in my mind, if you can move the ball down the field you’re a still quarterback.
Wouldn’t you agree success at the QB position (QBing) is both a combination of system, physical ability and mental ability, no?
i would agree with that last statement
but apparently i am the only one with definitive definitions of things around here. everyone else seems to be open to a more vague definition than me, but oh well.
the caveat would be that mental ability is the difference between being a QB and being an athlete playing the QB position. i never said they need to make multiple coverage reads, but they should have a basic understanding of what the formations mean and how that affects their play. for instance, it isnt that difficult to understand that a defense in nickel is thinking pass, and you should probably take advantage of the run; vice versa with the 4-4. you should know that running a post into cover 2 should leave that guy open if you split the coverage, and not to count to 3 and throw the ball to a spot. i get the feeling a lot of athletic QBs get away with not knowing a thing about why they do what they do, and know about as much about being a QB as your kid did in Pop Warner.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I think that’s selling many QBs short — not understanding the “why” they do what they do. I think almost every veteran BCS level QB has that understanding.
My thoughts are that how simplistic or complicated the system is might be dictate what a quarterback is asked to do, not necessarily a reflection of his abilities to read coverages. Now whether or not the system they have requires them to do as many as others – that may be a different story.
It may be a case of let’s take advantage of this players incredible abilities (his legs, if its a veer or run-oriented type of spread) for example. Or it may be just the stylistic choice of the OC.
Golden has already improved our S&C
I need to see our level of conditioning this year to be sold on Swasey. He has served us well in the past, but I’m not ready to dismiss all of the player development problems solely on Shannon.
Personally, I’m not really worried about the look of our team in the coming years. Golden’s teams at Temple were not very skilled, but they compensated with physicality. If a team like Temple looks more physical than an ACC team with a bigger athletic budget, then somebody is doing something right. Whether he used that talent the right way or made the right coaching decisions most of the time is a different story.
BTW, many of those recruits Butch got up to UNC were not ranked very high coming out. While guys like Quinn, Austin, and Deunta Williams were ranked high, other improtant players like Bruce Carter, Sturdivant, Searcy, and Kendrick Burney weren’t ranked high.
I hope I’m not coming off as biased, but if Golden’s assistants can develop guys like Terrance Knighton and Wilkerson, then I feel good about his chances here. But the important factor is time.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!! No, for real....LOL.
Golden has already improved our S&C
Don’t you have the same S&C coach as before??
And I saw the motivational video that was posted of spring workouts: You had OLinemen using 60-lb dumbbells for incline bench.
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No, you would be incorrect
We have TWO Strength coaches now, but Golden brought his own guy in to oversee the football S&C. Golden’s guy is now in charge.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
The bigger point was that a 36 year old comedian who isn't a serious lifter anymore has more upper-body strength then the OLineman that ALL hope for your offense in 2011 rests on.
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I don't agree with all of StoneCold's optimism
I’m happy with where our S&C program is going, but these things take time. While it may technically be true that Golden has “already improved” our S&C program, you have to ask how much is possible in a few months.
I understand your bigger point, I just wanted to correct you on the fact that Swasey is not in charge of the whole program any longer.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
In that Swasey is no longer the head man, gotcha.
In that you now suddenly have a top-notch S&C program…I’m not buying it. Not by a long shot.
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Who said it was top notch?
Those are your words.
But I guess you were convinced of Jimbo Fisher’s master plan before he had even coached a game yet?
If Fisher deserved at least a year to prove himself, then so does Golden considering the coaching staff he just took over for.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 15, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If the one wasn't good enough on his own, why keep him employed?
So Swasey(?) is like the Associate S&C coach for the football team? Were any additional assistants hired?
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Shannon didn't allow Swasey to do what he wanted
There were certain players that wouldn’t even show up to workouts, and some of them would go half a** because they knew they were going to play anyway (being a favorite has its perks, right?).
I even heard a rumor that there was no trainers table while Shannon was HC.
I don’t know who it is, but I think Golden has someone watching else helping Swasey. Speed and agility training in Sawsey’s specialty, but I think he needs help with the actual “strength” part.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 13, 2011 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't know that you could totally improve the S&C in one offseason
I guess Vic Viloria perfected your team physcially last offseason?
I guess FSU will continue to get better, while everyone else will get worse. #Objectivity
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 13, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why can't you completely improve S&C in one offseason?
Not like it takes very long to switch out the old routine for the new.
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That's not what I mean
I mean that you can’t make all of the changes you want to your team in just a year. Usually by 2nd or 3rd year the team should resemble what you really envision them to be. These guys won’t resemble what Golden truly wants until the 2nd or 3rd year (if he feels that Swasey has a future with us).
I’m sure you guys were a little apprehensive when Jimbo and Viloria took over last year because what you guys had gone through the past 5 years. By the comments I’ve see from you guys, you all were very worried about the future of the program and whether it could have sustained success like in the past. Well, it seems as if it is coming to pass.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 13, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Not apprehensive of the strength
program overhaul at all. It was basically a joke before.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Jul 14, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
As was ours
Just as you guys were optimistic about Vic and Fisher, I am very optimistic about Golden and his staff.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 15, 2011 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The sheer weight gains, and obvious increase in early-season performance (before worn down by attrition & lack of depth) show what an ELITE S&C program can do.
Take a look at Everett Dawkins when you get a chance. He will be wearing #93, and crushing your ball-carriers in the backfield. hard to miss.
+40 lbs with increased athleticism in 18 months.
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Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 15, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And I totally disagree that we loo like a SEC team
IMO we have looked smallish and skinny for years and we have suffered because of it. I am not foolish to believe all the listed weights when I read them.
Golden’s LBs at Temple looked more intimidating than most LBs in the ACC.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
*look
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami has plenty of size
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Meh...
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 15, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Your OL is midget.
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False.
I believe the nickname for your o-line is “the little giants”?
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
check the roster again
our T’s are both 6’6" and 300+, our center is 6’4" 300+ (arrived at 320, dropped bad weight to 307), and our 4 options at G are all 290+, 6’2"-6’4".
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Still not all that big compared to other teams
Our OTs, for the most part, are all well over 300 pounds with the exception of Jermaine Barton and Ben Jones.
Our best guard, Washington, is probably closer to 330 and the others were just as big but slimmed down because of the new S&C regimen.
But we’re more of a power running team. You guys run more zone blocking, so you have to be a little slimmer and a little quicker.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 17, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess you didn't get the sarcasm.
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You didn't use sarcasm font.
#Sarcasm
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 17, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ll make a bowl. And I think they will be pretty good in 2013 and beyond, just not elite.
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I also think Miami, being well coached, will be pretty good going forward past 2012…but when we are talking FSU quality, they will be far behind…
They have just the resource of being in Miami, so they will always get above average players…but I think the days of them competing for national titles is over until certain things change…I kind of agree with Cane Res, and believe they could compete for the coastal 2 out of 4 years, and could compete to win the acc at that same frequency…I dont see them competing with FSU anytime soon, though…I actually envy Miami’s line too, BTW…they better lean on that line, but with two seniors graduating, and 1 JR possibly leaving because he is really talented, that means 3 (or the majority) could leave
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
If you say so.
What makes you feel good about your team beyond this year, out of curiosity?
PS- Swag is not a justifiable reason to expect success.
Miami's class is full of studs
because it’s all about da U. These “under the radar” guys you speak of “got dat swag” and swag can’t be measured by Rivals, 247, Scout or ESPN…..
FSU 5* commit offered by everyone in the nation = 3*s worth of swag
Da U 3* commit offered by Louisville, UAB, Cincinnati and Minnesota = 5*s worth of swag
Better not include Louville in that list
cause I think most are choosing Louisville if they have an offer between UM and Louisville
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twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love name @caine115
especially on defense
i think Louisville is a terrible choice, but Charlie Strong is a damn good coach
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
They are a backup plan
For many good players who just cant get into other schools even with exceptions. They take anyone who can get passed the NCAA minimums basically. So they end up with some talent and arent a bad team. But it seems whuite a few good players who were going to go to UM ended up at Louisville. Dont ask me examples cause i dont know. I just know I have read some players going to Louisville who UM were interested in. A lot prob cause they cant get into UM. But effects the football team all the same
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so they recruit like WVU?
dumb as rocks? cant qualify anywhere? have we got an offer for you…
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
There were the two last year that they took from Miami.
Not sure they’re all academic question marks like many that go to WVU from FL.
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I think they got 3
UM guys last year, and to nole07, yes like WVU
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I think Harry Douglas was one.
I sure wish we could have gotten him. He’s an underrated player on the Falcons now.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Caine, nothing personal, but you are incredibly misinformed
Players are not choosing Louisville over UM because “they can’t get in”. It is one of the biggest and most-repeated myths that Miami’s academic “requirements” are “higher” than those of the NCAA.
Since you obviously don’t know, the two kids who decommitted from Miami to Louisville were Eli Rogers and Teddy Bridgewater. And I’m sure you are unaware that Eli “might” have been the kid from the Miami 7-on-7 team who was caught stealing stuff out of LSU lockers on a trip (it was written up on Sports Illustrated). So we knew LONG before NSD that Eli “probably” wouldn’t be a part of the class. And Teddy decided to go with him, particularly due to the coaching turnover, etc.
How is Louisville doing in SoFla this year? So far: 2 3-star (non-elite, according to Bud) players from Norland who didn’t have Miami offers. Although Teko Powell claims offers from FSU, UF, and LSU (though I’m sure that Bud will say the FSU offer was non-committable).
Academics didn’t turn any recruits away from UM (though dirty recruiting by rivals may have placed some doubts in players’ minds in prior years). Clint Hurtt specifically targeted SoFla last year. However, his magic appears to be disappearing. I wonder why?
Randy is no longer our coach. You might beat us for some recruits, but it’s going to be more challenging now, we don’t have an anti-social Rain Man coaching us any longer.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 12, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't follow recruiting like most here do, but didn't Louisville just snag someone for Saban's Bama?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Bama backup plan, but he did have a conditional offer.
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Lets see at the end of some of these kids senior seasons whose has offered them.
I’m willing to bet money that kids like Hoilett, Witt, Ereck Flowers, Vernon Davis, and Dmauri Jones have big-time offers from some of the traditional powerhouse schools and have a good chance of becoming that 4* that Seminole fans care so much about. No Offense.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
None taken.
I’d say roughly 120/120 D1 teams care a lot about “that 4*” player.
by Nolesos Locos on Jul 12, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Teams care about the dedication and talent of the player, rankings are just part of the game
that coaches dont really care or look at.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So you really believe Jimbo Fisher or Al Golden goes on Rivals or any of the
other sites and checks the ratings of these players before they give them an offer or recruit them?
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe they look at how others evaluate talent
ABSOLUTELY
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Also, we were talking about the fans.
I care about getting players with the right attitude and skill set, but ideally I want to beat out other top-tier schools for 4 and 5 star talent.
Are you saying you don’t care at all about that?
by Nolesos Locos on Jul 12, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
No of course I want the best talent I just dont think they go on these sites to do their recruiting.
I just feel they trust their scouts,coaches, and own intellect when it comes to evaluating players in high school.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, but
you said that they “have a good chance of becoming that 4 star”, so I assumed the ‘webstite ranking’ mattered to you as well. It should, as 4 and 5 stars have a better chance of becoming special players.
Not to say a good staff can’t find diamonds, but your chances are higher shopping at Tiffany’s than the flea market.
by Nolesos Locos on Jul 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
All programs use a recruiting service.
SOMEBODY points the coaches in the right direction to find these kids.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to the extent to which I feel some of these people imply.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Hell our staff used to recruit based SOLELY on rivals, scout, etc.
How do you think Coker sunk the program? He didn’t understand that a 3* from Florida = a 4* in Kansas.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I know it's really hard for some to understand
But there is a reason why most schools in the country recruit 4* and 5* players. It’s because a higher percentage of them turn out to be pretty good.
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but what I'm saying is
coached have actually do their own homework, as well. Case in point, Bryce Brown. He was the top prospect, coming out of Kansas, and an early Miami commit. He came down for a visit and attended a high school game featuring Lamar Miller. That’s when he started wavering. The rest is history.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a pretty good example, but....
Miller was top 100 player nationally too so there’s probably not a huge difference there. I’m sure that happens once every few years, but what about the other 43 positions in the two deep? Was there a 5* that watched some of these two and three stars play and didn’t want to go to Da U because he knew he had no chance at cracking the depth chart?
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying to take Florida scrubs over top prospects, but
a 3 star who plays against better competition alot of times will adjust to the college game better than a 4 star who plays against scrubs.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree
and shame on any service who does not look at competition as a factor when handing out these rankings.
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
There was a lot of chatter about the Browns being bad seeds
But I see your point. I think that the staffs that consistently recruit well (sans the turds) do a solid job of identifying talented kids who are also likely to avoid trouble.
Freeman is a good example as well
A backup that FSU saw a ton of talent in who lit it up his senior year when he became starter and ended up a high 4* and possibly the best back we took in 11
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Fixed it for you...
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I hope these kids are as good as we think they can be.
I also hope no one else offers them. If they start getting offers from Bama, Auburn, Clemson and the like, we will lose some of them.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah if they go 7-5 or 8-4 this season.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, 8-4 will salvage the class.
9-3 will skyrocket it to top 5.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you think the record is going to be…by doing percent shares…I got around 7.5 (do not have the numbers in front of me)…but I believe they will go 8-4
I also believe that 9-3 or 7-5 have the same odds
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
They only have one for sure loss on the schedule and thats FSU because its on the road.
Va Tech though the game is in Blacksburg has a new QB and their running game is not as good so we have a chance in that game. On paper at least we should beat the rest of the teams on their schedule aside maybe from Carolina but even there I’m pretty confident.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
I have the same feeling I had last year.
We can beat anyone on our schedule. We just can’t beat everyone on our schedule.
As fae as FSU being on the road. Recent history shows the road team doing pretty damn good.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
True, but hasn’t the road team been the better team in the last three years?
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 12, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I mean it wouldnt shock me if Miami does win in Tally based on the fact
that nobody is giving them a chance but I’m not counting on it.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately for this year's road team
they won’t be facing a Mickey Andrews 2007 or 2009 defense (all due respect to Mickey).
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but then again FSU wont be facing
a poorly coached team so it does go both ways in that sense.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
And we definitely know at this point
that Golden will not be a below average coach in the ACC because he did well against MAC teams with losing records??? I need to see some actual results before I buy in.
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
And you will get them starting in a little less then two months.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This sounds familiar
some Cane fans I know said the same exact thing in the Coker to Shannon transition.
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not me. I hated the move the day Shannon was hired.
I feel the opposite about the Golden hire.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You would be in the minority
That post looks an awful lot like hindsight to me.
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Believe what you want to believe but I could not stand the move
though I will say at the time Shannon was hired, I said that he couldnt be any worse then Coker. But thats another debate that I really dont want to get into.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Shannon got fired
for doing what he essentially was hired to do, clean up the program and improve the graduation rates of the players. The football program wasn’t supposed to slip though. Golden was the best guy Miami could have hired and while I don’t think he’s a horrible coach, I need to see some results this year before I can determine he’s a good coach.
by Matt Champion on Jul 12, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Just like how I need to see more out of Jimbo Fisher. He had a pretty weak schedule last year
and had a senior proven qb. We will see what he can do this year. He is just lucky he has a guy like stoops as his defensive coordinatior.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wrong,
unless you consider the 13th ranked schedule weak.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 12, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmb,
I don’t dislike you a bunch, but the bottom line is that many people come here to read stories and participate in commentary. They most certainly do not come for incredibly uninformed opinions, such as yours.
You aren’t being banned for Miami talk, but rather for consistently spreading misinformation. Read more, get informed, then maybe you can come back in 2012.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 12, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Thank You!
That was a thread-jacking with all kinds of bad information
by NationWideNole on Jul 12, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I still can't get over the fact he wrastled with an FSU legend back in the late 90's.
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I was content
egging him on, interacting, needle, provoke, etc. Sorry TN. HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 12, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Bud
banned him out of pity, because he being taken to task on views that aren’t backed up at all by facts.
by Matt Champion on Jul 12, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not joking
I really felt bad bashing that guy as I look back. He didn’t seem on the up and up if ya get me.
Well
There are people who come to TN who don’t know this stuff but are eager to learn and there are some who only come on here to talk trash. In my opinion, TN is the coffee shop of sports blogs. We come here to discuss our team and have intelligent conversation.
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by Matt Champion on Jul 12, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Not saying
we can’t joke and jest though, just look at half the things FrankDNole posts.
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by Matt Champion on Jul 12, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats were UF players made mistakes
Kept on trying to get a lot of Shwag instead of Swag
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I swear I was just thinking
How is this guy not banned?
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
He was previously banned and his reinstatement lasted less than one day.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Yea you banned him
Sun. or Mon.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
Sat.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
The Miami talk was excessive though.
Especially considering that it was the same dribble over and over and over.
Good work, Bud.
by moneyNOLE24 on Jul 12, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Classic line I need to remember to use.
I don’t dislike you a bunch
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
"I don't dislike you a BUNCH....
…But since I cannot legally punch you in the throat (as I am thinking about doing), I will instead send you back to the J.V. squad at EOTH & 7th Floor.
You can try out again next season after you (hopefully) grow up some…"
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2007 was on our QB's.
They sucked ass.
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We don’t do wins and losses here…we do percent shares…give a percentage you think Miami will win for each game…taking into acount for the entire season…like playing VT and UNC back to back is tougher than playing them in a vacume…and please post just to see what a Miami fan is thinking
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Maryland- 55%
OSU- 60%
KSU- 65%
Beth C- 100%
VT- 35%
UNC- 35%
GT- 70%
UVA- 85%
Duke- 95%
FSU- 40%
USF- 70%
BC- 65%
totals ACC- 4.8 I think
overall-7.75 I think, which goes to 8-4
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 12, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
On paper at least we should beat the rest of the teams on their schedule aside maybe from Carolina but even there I’m pretty confident.
by NoleOrNever on Jul 12, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
"On paper at least we should beat the rest of the teams on their schedule"
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jul 12, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WHY does every topic end up being about &*^%ing MIAMI
by MasterWolf on Jul 12, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Maybe another UF player will transfer soon.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 12, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, has any of the Big 3 had any run-ins with the law
this off-season?
What are you glorifying with your life?
For Miami, Ramon Buchanan but I dont know about UF or FSU.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
But that was earlier right?
He’s already been reinstated no?
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
and Jeffrey Brown of Miami was arrested on rape charges.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 12, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I honestly had no idea who he was.
Had he even been on campus yet, or was he just a recruit.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes he was part of the 2011 class.
by lamarmillerbeast on Jul 12, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
here.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 12, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I remember the story.
I just didn’t know who he was at the time. Thanks, though.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't J. Jenkins get busted for dopin' it up?
And those 2 UF players and a student manager got busted for stealing from cars. Maurice Harris was busted for some sexual assault type thing (I think) but he wasn’t on the FSU team anymore.
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The car thing was with players on UF's basketball team.
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Mods
I’m very dissapointed that the UM Statements of Enlightenment (which they shall be from henceforth) were deleted after being rec’d more than any other comment in TN history.
I petition we have those comments reinstated, in order to share said Enlightenment with the world, so that they may know the truth that is UM.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jul 12, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
lamarmillerbeast got called for
Offsides, holding, and was ejected for being combative.
What are you glorifying with your life?
i caught a couple of clipping penalties that werent called
low blows will not be tolerated – this isnt Ron Cherry’s crew at a GT game.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Bud pulled a Ron Cherry
And gave lamarmillerbeast the business!
by CSI Nole on Jul 12, 2011 2:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like Rico said, nothing was deleted to my knowledge.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
In fact all 36 of Lamar's comments are still up.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I just checked. None of his comments have been deleted since I reinstated him yesterday.
Many of his comments were deleted in other threads prior to Saturday’s ejection, but I don’t recall him commending UM for crimes they committed. In fact, I don’t recall anyone doing that here, unless it was someone else and those comments were deleted before I read them. Fortunately almost all of our cane (and gator) members are decent enough and we respect each other (as much as mutually possible).
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
No
Someone said the 30 for 30 praised canes that were breaking into cars and he said thats what Miami prided itself on and as long as it wasn’t his stuff he didn’t care. He said that is what made the U and it was what Swag was. Those comments have been deleted, or at least I dont see them anymore.
Go Noles!
Unless it was a reply to a comment.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I think it was.
I really felt bad for the guy because I think he meant zero harm. He might have just benifitted more from reading as opposed to posting. I respect any Cane fan who sticks around through think and thin.
Go Noles!
I started school in 1986 and I'm still around
through two down periods (probation and Coker-Shannon).
I’m not going anywhere.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 12, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I was still in school at this time...
I’d be flat broke. Tuition in 1986 was $8,800 per year, now it is $40,000 per year.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA!
Ya they exsist, although they are really hard to find. I went to the game in Miami last year and my buddy, (A Cane fan), actually handled it really well. And even after that beat down, and a bad season he is trying to believe in this season. That’s what we would do ….right?
Go Noles!
He did.
I apologize for that. I can’t keep all caged up. One gets free every now and then.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 12, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
come on Can Res, handle your peoples
you are the king of the TN Canes, its time to start acting like one
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
ALL HAIL THE KING!!
you are the king of the TN Canes, its time to start acting like one
Here is your crown made out of petrified dog turds….
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Nahhhh......google images.
I see what you did there, but my hands are bigger & browner* then that.
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I zapped one string.
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Is that article indicative of how most Canes fans really are?
Most of those posts sound like they were written by middle schoolers.
I’m not into recruiting that much, but even I can tell from watching some of the highlights of a couple of our recruits that we got some ground to make up. Most of the problems stem from Shannon’s lackadaisical attitude toward acquiring impact players in every class and fracturing relationships with multiple high school coaches in south Florida. Golden can repair these two issues with time though.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
Yes. The alumni base is very small. Thus, there are many fans that didn’t attend UM, or didn’t attend college at all.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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yup
if the university was located in Ft. Meyers, it would have ended up like Wake Forest or worse. a small private school with no money doesnt exactly draw in the recruits.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I don't know where that is, but ok.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
They sound like they haven't watched college football in more than a decade
I’m more of a pro football fan and even I understand it more than they do.
I don’t think they realize that some of those recruits we got in the Butch Davis era were actually pretty good coming out of high school and not just projects.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
Georgetown Hoyas fan - nuff said.
Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
by StoneColdSteel on Jul 12, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Butch was a great recruiter.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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For those who used to frequent ThaRinger boards awhile back
Lamarmillerbeast reminded me of GMI, aka greenmountainirish. Way to lay the smack down Bud, dude was irritating.
by CSI Nole on Jul 12, 2011 2:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
TR seemed to cost itself some traffic when they changed the boards up.
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Agree
Haven’t been around there in a hot minute. Might check it out once the season starts and recruiting picks up steam with OV’s and such.
It became too much work for people to post information about recruits in separate threads on separate team boards in separate conference boards.
So people quit posting. And I quit reading since I didn’t post anyways. I found some other site to get free recruiting updates from.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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I was afraid to comment
The thread had ibis poo all over it.
by NoleySmokes on Jul 12, 2011 3:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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