Noles News 07.20.11: FSU Depth Chart Thoughts
Let's get right to it with the Florida State depth chart.
FSU
FSU released its pre-fall depth chart yesterday. What did I notice?
- EJ Manuel at 6'5" 245. Continue to laugh at everyone who thinks Fisher won't ride Manuel's legs.
- Lonnie Pryor at 230 pounds. If that's anywhere close to accurate, he could be an All-American. Chad Abram did move to fullback. We told you they were trying that out a few weeks ago.
- The offensive line continues to get bigger and stronger. Remember, Trickett wants athletes and is not against size as long as it is good size.
- Backup tackles Dan Foose and Garrett Faircloth north of 290 is good news.
- Bert Reed over Rodney Smith: Rodney can be lazy at times and Bert has continued to improve.
- Don't read much into Christian Green being buried on the depth chart. Remember that we told you he would take a long time to develop after basically missing all of last year with the shoulder injury. Just a redshirt freshman. Have patience.
- What a difference two years makes! From the smallest defense in the conference to one of the biggest in the country!
- In 2009, FSU had 5 defensive linemen over 265 pounds. FSU now has 15! Jimbo said the team was going to get a lot bigger and they have.
- Moving a slimmed-down Jacobbi McDaniel back to 3-tech is awesome. FSU now has the depth at nose to afford the move and Jacobbi/Dawkins (who is now almost 300 pounds, freakishly) will be a deadly combo at 3-tech. And they should stay fresh. Jacobbi confirmed the move on Twitter:
- Putting 16 pounds on a JUCO defensive end? Yikes.
- Jeff Luc at weak-side linebacker is interesting. Remember, however, in FSU's zone scheme playing the over, the WILL basically plays as a second MIKE.
- The only other major change is something we were very confident would happen: Lamarcus Joyner is starting at safety and patrolling centerfield. You just don't move a kid like that from corner to safety and then sit him on the bench.
- That means Parks/Moody will battle for the safety position that plays close to the LOS when FSU is in cover-3 (which will be run a ton now). That's a very good move for FSU.
- That secondary is nasty. Really, the whole defense is nasty.
- No Gerald Demps? No Rhonne Sanderson? No Tank Sessions? Keep an eye on these...
That's all for now. And remember some freshmen will crack the two-deep.
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Swinney's last stand. Clemson underachieved a season ago. No nicer way to put it. But with a heap of talent returning and coming in from a stellar recruiting class, Clemson has the opportunity to be a sleeper in the ACC.And it better be if Swinney wants to keep his job.
Even though Swinney took the Tigers to the Meineke Car Care Bowl last year, they lost to South Florida and finished with the program's first losing record since 1998. Another losing campaign won't be acceptable, especially with 14 returning starters, a new hotshot offensive coordinator and a running back duo that should rival any tandem in the country. The Tigers first two games against Troy and Wofford should be a good opportunity to get the kinks out before taking on Auburn in Week 3. While Auburn might not be the powerhouse it was a year ago, this will be a good chance for Clemson to gain some early confidence before facing Florida State and Virginia Tech.
Debriefing: Boston College hangs on to the good times - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF Blog - Yahoo! Sports
Fasten your seat belts. Spaziani signed a two-year extension last December locking him up through 2015, and has another insurance policy if the season takes a southward turn: His athletic director's pride. Spaziani was promoted in January 2009 to replace his boss, Jeff Jagodzinski, who was canned by AD Gene DeFilippo on the heels of back-to-back Atlantic Division titles for having the audacity to interview with the New York Jets. After giving Jagz that the boot, DeFilippo said he was looking for "somebody who really wants to be at Boston College, and who is going to be here for the length of their contract," which he might as well have read directly off one of Spaziani's letters of recommendation.But DeFilippo also wants to avoid a reputation as a meddler who goes through head coaches like socks. Even after two backwards steps in his first two seasons as head coach, Spaziani seems safe barring a worst-case collapse. Unfortunately, the front-loaded schedule that lent itself to a stark midseason turnaround after a 2-5 start last year is reversed: A stretch run that features trips to Virginia Tech, Notre Dame and Miami, a visit from Florida State and dates with Atlantic Division equals Maryland and N.C. State in between is a recipe for coming up short of a bowl game.
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I don’t understand the lack of love for Washington heading into 2011. Is it just because the Huskies must replace Jake Locker? Let me say it again: Locker was a superb athletic talent, but Washington can get more out of the quarterback position. Price is not going to step in and be an all-conference quarterback from the start; he’ll be a better passer from the start, however, and the offense will have far more balance than it did a year ago. A consistent passing game is really all this offense needs to rank among the top half of the Pac-12, as there are several talented skill players who rank among the conference’s best. That list includes Polk and Kearse, but watch out for Seferian-Jenkins, who adds a different dimension to the passing attack. Yeah, the line needs work, but there are several talented younger options poised to step into larger roles. Defensively, all U.W. needs to do is locate two starting linebackers; the line and secondary are in very good shape. Washington’s not a Rose Bowl contender, but anything less than another seven wins would be surprising, in my mind. How could this team not make at least a one-win improvement off last year’s mark? Most of all, I have a tremendous amount of faith in Sarkisian and his staff, who have done wonderfully in very difficult straits since arriving following the 2008 season. The arrow is pointing up for Washington, in my mind. This isn’t a nationally-ranked team, but U.W. is definitely in the mix for another upper-tier bowl game in 2011.
Is 2011 a "Now or Never" Season for the Crimson Tide? - Roll 'Bama Roll
Looking ahead before the season even starts probably wouldn't get a Coach Saban seal of approval, but in talking with several people about the reasons why the Crimson Tide is almost universally picked by the preseason polls/magazines to play for another National Title this season it occurred to me: just like the 2010 Tide struggled to replace the core components of the 2009 Championship Team, whether we win another SEC and/or National Title this season or not the core components that everyone expects to make the 2011 team so successful will likewise be gone come 2012. This year's team returns a load of talent and experience on defense, has a favorable schedule, and is working with a mostly intact coaching staff that's been together long enough to know the system and what's expected of them. The metaphorical stars are in alignment for a championship run this season, but just as we heard plenty before the start of last season, there hasn't been a repeat BCS Champion for a reason, and to be perfectly frank if you look at the struggles of teams who have won or played for national titles to get back to the game in the following seasons we have to start honestly asking ourselves when those stars will align so perfectly again. So let's take a look at the reasons why this opportunity simply can't be squandered as we get ready for the 2011 season.
June Jones has said that this team will be his best yet, that his team is ahead of schedule, and that these Mustangs are good enough to make a significant push onto the national stage. I’m not one to quibble with Jones, and this schedule does present plenty of opportunities to make noise on a national level: Texas A&M, T.C.U., U.C.F. and others. But it’s this same schedule that gives me pause; and it’s this same schedule that has me penciling the Mustangs in at this spot, right inside the top 50 teams in the country, instead of inside the to 35 or 30, where I wish I had the guts to put them. I have to go with my head here, not my heart, when I say that I don’t think S.M.U. can finish the regular season better than 8-4 in 2011. Again, it’s primarily because of this schedule. Texas A&M has too many horses; T.C.U. is young, but still is way farther along than the Mustangs; U.C.F. comes at home, but the Knights are the defending conference champs, not to mention a team that handled S.M.U. last fall; and Houston, Tulsa and Southern Mississippi all come on the road. As said above, the schedule is no joke. If every game was played on a neutral field, I think S.M.U. could win nine or 10 games. The offense is superb. The defense continues to improve, though the secondary remains a concern. And the coaching… well, the coaching is absolutely first-rate, bar none, no questions asked. Can Jones work enough magic to lift the Mustangs beyond the tough schedule and back into the Conference USA title game? You better believe it. But the safer bet is to place S.M.U. a shade below Houston and Tulsa. This team is light-years ahead of where it was only three years ago — an entire galaxy removed from where it stood just five years ago. And S.M.U. will be better even if the record doesn’t reflect much improvement.
Thoughts here? Is SMU better than all but 47 teams?
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On the roster and Front 7 weight gain
Do we have any insight into the accuracy of these weight numbers?
I believe them for the most part. I believe they still report their own, but they seem pretty in line with what they look like. Perhaps a few exceptions.
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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For instance, Dawkins is noticeably bigger and recently reported via twitter that he was 300 and 299 on b2b days.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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You believe Kelvin?
I was pretty skeptical, then I saw a picture of him from the front and he has pretty broad shoulders for a wide-out. Then I have to keep reminding myself he’s 6’6’’, so that’s a lot of real estate to spread out 250ish pounds.
by GradSchoolNole on Jul 21, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably over 240 yeah
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the rumors that he's running around a 4.5 at that weight?
by GradSchoolNole on Jul 21, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
no chance
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
is he at least around a 4.7?
or has all this new weight really slowed him down?
by Noleforever9399 on Jul 21, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Doubt they would put that much weight on him
If it was drastically slowing him down
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I think that was just him naturally gaining weight.
I that that we could see him slim down some.
by Noleforever9399 on Jul 21, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
yea but Jimbo sounded happy aboout the weight
In that little interview yesterday. So I doubt its bad
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If he becomes a "chiseled" 240,
That’s when the excitement comes. Not saying he isn’t but he can probably do some good by hitting the weight room hard since he won’t see the field much this year.
by FSUActuary on Jul 21, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They all seem in line with/lighter than their reported weights so I'd guess they're pretty accurate
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Do we have any idea what other major players are pointing to 2012?
Would be good to know who we’re contending with.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 9:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i asked pryor yesterday on twitter if he was really up to 230lbs.
He said yes! Great news as it pertains to weight gains by the players I cannot wait.
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by disturbednole on Jul 21, 2011 9:13 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Except they likely don't carry it the same.
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"That secondary is nasty. Really, the whole defense is nasty."
That did it. I am ready for football season now.
by nolesontop on Jul 21, 2011 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Cheap date.
"This year I am focused on scoring. I want to score, along with getting good field position for the offense. I am going to try and score a little bit this year. I kinda miss the endzone a little bit." -G5
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Do you see Los moving to SS and Joyner to FS when it is Los's time?
I thought Joyner would be the FS & Los the perfect hard hitting SS is why i ask. Also Joyner seems to be very versatile and can play any DB position.
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Don’t worry about labels. Focus on roles. At FSU the ss & fs are reversed.
I don’t see Los playing much this year.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Special Teams
I expect him to be an animal there and in the two deep/starting at FS come 2012
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He should start in 2012
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Joyner and Los both starting at safety in 12
As good as we will be this year. And with a couple lucky breaks be right there at the end if everything cracks right. And dont get me wrong. I just can’t wait. But to know we will only be getting better into next year. Just. Wow.Been a long time since I felt this way.
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I would guess special teams
Based on pure athleticism, but I wouldn’t expect to see much else. Just thinking he’s got to learn the schemes, and he’s go some pretty talented and experienced guys in front of him.
Safety is too complicated for a Freshman
Not including ST (where I see JWJ wreaking havoc), the freshmen who could get the most PT are O’Leary and Jernigan. O’Leary b/c he’s a HB and we don’t have an HB on the roster plus he’s getting favorable reviews from the 7-on7s. Jernigan b/c he’s a GAM and plays DT.
Championship!
Yeah, wasn't counting him b/c he enrolled in January
but I wasn’t precise about “freshmen”
Championship!
The size and use of our RB and FB
Is unconventional. So we kind of use a HB. We get a ton more yards out of FB then most teams. But I know exactly what you mean. And from the TE position. Moving all over. I just see that as an amazing new weapon when added to what will be out their. Having to keep a spy on the QB and have a TE all over the place that as you said is a HB type would make DC on any team just shaking their heads
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JWJ
Will JWJ be getting reps at RB this year? I didnt see him on the depth chart, but I’ve seen him play (I live in Tampa) and that kid is a Monster. I can’t wait to see him on the field, Im just not sure when to expect him to get a chance in our loaded backfield. Kid reminds me of Greg Jones with some of his hits. Scary good.
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Jul 22, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
He'll play.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 22, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a known quirk of Stoops.
His names for the safety positions are the opposite of everyone else’s.
But if he can get them to continue improving the way they have been, he can call them Inez and Ethel for all I care.
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by Dogrel on Jul 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
As long as he doesn't call his safeties "Leaders" and "Legends"...
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by DRusso97 on Jul 21, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
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With Goldman being in town I just wanted to ask, does anyone else think when it comes to Odell and recruiting he has one job only. Bond with and reel in at least 1 elite DT per cycle. I’m not saying he doesn’t recruit other players and I’m not saying Goldman comes to FSU, but I’d be fine with Odell successfully recruiting one kid a year if it was someone like Jernigan, Goldman, etc.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think everyone would be happy with that, but no he does area recruiting as well and it’s not realistic to expect a Jernigan each cycle. Heck, sometimes there is no Jernigan anywhere in a given cycle.
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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That’s true, I just got a little excited at the prospect of him pied pipering some beast each year.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 9:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That perception of Odell comes honestly.
Remember that streak he had of NFLers? I haven’t had coffee yet but it was something like Dockett (1st or 2nd round), Travis Johnson (1st round), then Bunkley (1st I think to the Iggles).
Now that I think about it, his streak of developing amazing players ended right as our D began to really slide…
by Nolesos Locos on Jul 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I just can't jump on this Goldman train.
We have way too many DT on the roster and even if we lose like 2 or 3 this upcoming offseason, we’d still have 9 or 10 in 2012, and 10 or 11 with a 3rd DT this class – like Goldman.
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FSU has more of a shot with Goldman than they ever did with Clowney
which isn’t saying much at all.
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jul 21, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So what you're saying is this...

…is just not gonna happen?
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by Dogrel on Jul 21, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Lord
We were all created to be Seminoles. This is why we bleed garnet and piss gold.
by NoleThruandThru on Jul 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And remember also.......
We got Stuckey in this recruiting class, probably the Top DT in Florida, so he has already reeled in a very good player already. Goldman would just be icing on the cake at DT.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Jul 21, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Make sure he qualifies first
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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which one? both?
DT’s are notorious for being qualifying risks
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Stuckey
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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is this the usual "questionable" or does he really have a lot of work to do?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Do you see Telvin taking over for Bradham in 2012 and Luc moving back over to Mike with Holmes?
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What about Vince?
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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You think Luc doesnt get it together until 2012?
On talent alone, Shouldnt he get ahead of Vince?
Mental talent and experience also matters. We’ll see what happens.
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Why isn't Terrance Smith
on the 3-dep at LB?
He impressed the heck out of me during the spring game as a freshman EE
by GoNoles2011 on Jul 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
could be because there is only a 2 deep there
Mike has an and/or at the top and 1 backup, and Sam and Will only have 2. everyone on the depth chart at LB is a RS FR or above, and Terrance is a true freshman.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Why does everyone overlook Vince? I don't get it. It's not like he was some 2-star scrub when he got here.
I know Luc was a borderline 5-star across the services…but damn.
The move I guess depends on how Vince does this year. It could be that the coaches think Vince is good enough to lock it down & just to get Luc on the field by 2012
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Honestly also,
The Will lb is just more important because of all the nickel and cover 3 Stoops is (probably) planning to use. In these formations, Moody/Parks will play like another lb and Will has Mike-like responsibilities, so Luc may be a good fit going forward.
And the Will already is like a second MIKE in FSU’s scheme
'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Waisome on the two deep behind Reid?
Impressive for a frosh (though I guess it speaks more to our lack of depth at corner)
Commack to play some Nickel & Dime with Harris?
Anyone think we could see him get some PT?
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Commack is a developmental guy who could start in 2012 if RHodes leaves
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'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Really pulling for Avis.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
We'll have to Budget him in
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Jul 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i think we are too Thrifty for that
by Noles 2012 on Jul 21, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Enterprise-ing young individual
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by ricobert1 on Jul 21, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I haven't seen a butchering this bad since the Alamo.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jul 21, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
the situation has National implications
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Jul 21, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Betchya a Dollar that there are a few yet to come……
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Betcha that was the..
fifth or Sixt obscure reference fo a rfental car company.
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by fmnole on Jul 22, 2011 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
alright ace, you win with that one
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by SteadfastNole on Jul 22, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Seems
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Jul 22, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That does it!
Wrecks for all of you!
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by Dogrel on Jul 23, 2011 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lucky you got rec'd for that one
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by Ponder This on Jul 23, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Elite ankles.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It's supposed to be a conversation terminator
guess it doesn’t always work.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Total ankle failure.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 22, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The extra 20 lbs might make Lonnie a rich man.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 9:34 AM EDT reply actions
Hudson-Lite.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Good or bad?
If he’s put on that much good weight, he ought to take Vic out for steak once he gets his first NFL paycheck.
I know the comparisons have been beaten to death, but if any NFL team is looking for another Edgar Bennett…and I know guys like Jimbo would talk him up and down the wall. Talk about a kid that has done everything we’ve asked of him, and done it 100%…
You can. It just won't be true.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do we need 3 Fullbacks?
Lonnie is All-American Calibre. Between Smiley & Abram, Do you see them as getting PT apart from Special teams?
Abram should continue to get good ST time. Some players will leave.
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Smiley is gone after this year too
Plug in Abram and see how he does
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 21, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I had high hopes for him after seeing some of his high school video.
Thought he was going to be a BEAST.
Free Safety Spot
Who do you think will win the free safety spot? Moody or Parks? If this position is more of an in the box type player, I see Moody beating out parks for that spot. What do you think?
Whomever plays his assignment better. With all the talent on defense, FSU just needs someone there who is disciplined and sound. Let the talented guys be the playmakers, not Moody/Parks
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Does playing more cover-3
give Los a better chance at getting playing time as the year goes on? i.e. not as much pass coverage responsibility.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Could be, yep
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I see FSU playing more Cov2 in 2012 with Los and LJ, particularly if Rhodes and Reid leave
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Not to mention we should be able to stop the run with just 7 by then too.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He could, but he shouldn’t
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
That would really suck to lose both of them before 2012.
by Blake Davis on Jul 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Reid gives up a horrible touchdown for every interception
I’d prefer he stay and make better decisions, but in his current state I think we are going to be fine without him.
meh
That was our entire defense last year. Nearly everyone was inconsistent. Ill judge Reid if he continues that trend, but ill always give players the benefit of the doubt when playing their first year in a new system.
Oh and Reid was MUCH better by the end of the season.
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by freshcollegeboy on Jul 21, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Its hard to definitively say that those TD's were all Reid's fault
with our zone heavy scheme. I know OU was a very bad day for Greg. As was UNC. But I’m not going to lay all the blame his way. Maybe 50% Greg, 50% safeties
what more can he accomplish for himself after this year?
He will likely have maxed out his draft status.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 21, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we are getting back to the days when players stay as opposed to leave as quick as they can
I think we should expect to get at least 4 years out of everyone – which means some redshirts may leave after their RS JR year
I think the 3 years and gone guys will be rare – even if they are 1st rounders
Not likely
I think the 3 years and gone guys will be rare – even if they are 1st rounders
If they are first rounders after 3 years…they will be gone and it would be dumb for them to stay. Then you use that to get even more good players. I agree that 3 years is rare but it happens and as FSU gets better with more elite players it will happen more.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Really doubt that
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I think that is what you see at top winning programs - how many UF players left after 3 years under Meyers- 1? none?
at USC under Carrol?
they stay to try to win a championship
i don't think this is accurate...
if you bring in top talent consistently, the odds they go to the nfl early are greater. that’s not a bad thing…
by garnetandgold on Jul 21, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, I think a lot of top talent won't hang around for a 5th year
if they were redshirted – but I think a player will stay 4 years most of the time (85% plus) even if he is a first day draft pick.
depends on the new
rookie pay scale. In the past the first round paid so much more, it was worth it to stick around. Now, It doesn’t look like being a first rounder will be as lucrative as getting to your free agent staus1 year quicker.
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by Ponder This on Jul 23, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t see it. These kids come to go pro.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How many players drafted in this last draft only spent 3 years at school
and out of that number how many of them were at MNC contenders?
I think those stats are needed to determine the answer to this issue.
Just at Florida, Players drafted in 2010
after being at UF only 3 years,
Haden, Dunlap, Pouncy, Major Wright, Aaron Hernandez. Over half of the players drafted from UF in 2010 were there just 3 years and skipped being there for Urban the next year.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 21, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
good stats -thanks
that is a lot of 3 years and out
Don’t have time to look it up. Anyone have the number of first rounders?
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Do we even need to look it up?
You know how they Kiper et al put an asterick by underclassmen when projecting their draft boards? Every year that board is almost entirely full of astericks.
There are a few teams (my dumbass Texans, for one) that value 4-year players, but most value other things over that. The fact is, great players, of which we are now recruiting, would be remiss to wait in most circumstances.
by Nolesos Locos on Jul 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, another Texans fan
I thought you sounded miserable..
by TonySopraNOLE on Jul 21, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Harvin and Pouncey for sure.
Probably others. Tons left USC early.
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So much of who leaves will have to do with the NFL CBA
If they set rookie limits and their is not drastic money changes from a 1srt-2nd round with a drop off that still may not be huge going into the third. It can cause many players to leave early more then ever before. However if their is a stark difference and they dont mess to much with rookie wages it could keep kids in longer. Not sure many people, or maybe I am just over thinking it, realize what a rookie wage scale in a new CBA could do to the current way college is played with kids generally staying at least 3+ years to try and get in that first round.
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The 2011 two-deep is all Juniors and Sophomores.
Except for Cam Erving at NG who is a redshirt freshman.
Imagine 2012. We thing this defensive line is going to be sick already, but wait until all these guys get another year under their belt. Could be the key to our 2012 success.
mature team
what stuck out to me was the lack of true freshmen on the depth chart. finally we’re getting some great talent developed!! i noticed 2 starting seniors on the D and 5 on the O. our D will be SOLID from this point forward – that fires me up!!
two things that scare me in the future are the O line and our QBs.
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No freshmen have been added yet because they have not yet practiced. Only freshmen who enrolled in Spring.
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Waisome at 175
also listed at 165 (generously) out of HS. This kid will be a great player at 185.
by GoNoles2011 on Jul 21, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Which ones?
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No one in particular... just curious I guess
Datko has put on something like 50lbs since his Freshman year. If that’s all the good kind of weight that’s really impressive.
Just curious if the size was another success of the S&C program.
He was listed at a little over 300 last year.
And didn’t look to have any bad weight. Doubt these guys would start getting sloppy in year 2 of Vic.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
i want to know why Sanders isnt bigger
his frame can certainly hold 320+, and he is still hanging back at 307.
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Perhaps you should ask him.
He’d probably be happy to explain it.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i just wonder if he has trouble gaining more weight or they dont want him any bigger
no need to get snippy
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Snippy?
just kidding with you, sizzlechest.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
also missing
from the depth chart is Toshmon Stevens. Not sure if you’d lump him in with Sessions, Demps, and Sanderson.
I think he graduates and moves on after this semester.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
For some reason I was pulling for Demps, maybe because he played a role in pulling Reid.
We knew sessions was raw coming in…doesn’t seem like he got much time to pull it together if it plays out like this. Of course, with our talent he’d have to do more than pull it together; he would need to transform into a worldbeater AA.
by jasonole59 on Jul 21, 2011 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
For some reason I was pulling for Demps
Me too. Especially after his initial weight gain under the new program. It seemed like he had dedicated himself. He also played pretty good in the ‘10 spring game. I was hoping he would have a breakout season. When I saw Justin Bright on the new depth chart, but not Demps, I figured he was done. I guess we’ll see.
Demps and Smith are going to be ST superstars.
They give max effort on kickoffs and blocks
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weight gains
this might be a stupid question, but are there any programs out there using steroids? i never hear about it in the news. but the cynic in me perks up when i see a 190 lb guy put on 40 pounds in 3 years.
I think your eyes can tell you the answer to that
UM at the end of the B Davis Era looked like a NFL team to me – especially on D – you can guess what I thought that meant
Think of it like all other forms of cheating
The teams winning are probably doing it.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Huh
If somebody is winning, they’re probably cheating. That sounds like something the ones losing would say…
It’s definitely possible to gain 40lbs of muscle in 3 years, especially with elite athletes who are just now getting the nutrition/weight program elite athletes need to develop. I’m not saying everyone’s clean, but I would certainly say the one’s who are dirty constitute the minority
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by scotradamus on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like recruiting?
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by AMFKNole on Jul 21, 2011 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Especially if you take a poor Florida kid that plays 3 sports a year and is lucky to eat 1 semi-square meal a day along w/ chips/soda/sugar wafers/etc.
Some of these kids have tremendous upside just because of their lack of good nutrition and weight training their whole lives. Just because a kid blows up with significant muscle does not necessarily mean they’re cutting corners.
If they look like Jason Giambi or Barry Bonds though…then yeah.
You sound like the
Head Coach at ECU: “You can gain 35-40 pounds . . .if you work hard enough.” (Assistant coaches’ eyes roll)
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by Ponder This on Jul 23, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody in Football cares if their players use 'roids.
This isn’t baseball. However the optimist in me will say they now have a nutritionist and proper S&T Coach as well. To be fair.
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(Ala.) Brian Cushing...
I remember him going into USC and he was very small and weak looking. Then about a year and a half later he looked like Hulk… Then when he got caught by the NFL, he actually had the nerve to deny it…. .
Cushing was the #1 player in the NYC metro area (Bergen Catholic)
He was an absolute stud in HS, and college, and the NFL. Of course, he did test positive, too.
by GoNoles2011 on Jul 21, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
a lot of kids have an immediate jump in amount and quality of food
put a poor kid on a 3000 calorie healthy diet and watch him grow like a weed. add in olympic training, and if you dont see big growth there is a problem.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Not just kids
You do that for anybody and see what happens. It cracks me up to hear all the people who have no idea… They say crap like “That is not possible for someone to put that much weight on, Blah, blah”. I started eating right and more and bam, I got stronger and bigger within a few months, amazing.
3,000 calories?? Are we talking about skill position players??
I think the degree of muscular gain is more reflective of where the player came from then what FSU does with him. MEJ has has elite training (for the H.S. level) and nutrition his whole life. Somebody like Cam Erving had (I am speculating) BEYOND shitty nutrition & strength training before FSU……his leap will be dramatic by comparison.
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i had Joyner in mind, yes
since i replied to a comment about a kid at 190 putting on 40 lbs, and he went from 165-205, that was where i was coming from.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Yep
And 3000 calories plus Olympic training plus roids and you double the gains.
Not that its right, but everyones doin it
everyone isnt doing it, stop that nonsense
there are a few people in this thread that have absolutely debunked that myth from personal experiences
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Not every player obviously. Not even most players on top teams.
But EVERY team has a decent # of kids on the sauce
And I too lived with a walk on and a starter from the dynasty years
Both were on. As were several other key contributors (not walkons). I would venture to say that very few if any of the big stars were on juice, though.
I would imagine FSU had a legal supplement supplier.
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I was just about to say
you really don’t need steroids. You can get the equivalent at GNC.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
big buckets of creatine and protein will do the trick as well
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Yup. That can help.
But no matter how much of that you take, it’s not as effective as the pro-hormone stuff.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, no. You can't. GNC doesn"t have ANYTHING that can come close to 1000mg of test a week.
And yes, many of these guys (except Justin Bright) are heavily juiced. It’s ridiculously easy to get and use steroids. Boosters don’t mind hooking a brother up either. If you have any chance of getting paid later on, you’d be a dumbass not to use.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Um, yes. You can.
I have a friend that’s tried a few different roids (test, d-ball and anadrol) and several different versions of pro-hormones over the counter. He saw pretty much the same results. Of course, he had no knowledge of taking the other stuff and misremembers the whole thing anyway.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'd say if your friend got the same results from prohormones that he got from test....
He didn’t know what the hell he was doing. My friend and many of his friends (and most anyone else that has tried) has seen spectacularly different results with far fewer side effects. Your friend’s N of 1 is not statistically relevant.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You have more friends
and are obviously way smarter. You win. Nice talk.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Getting chippy in here. Must be roid rage.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe. There's a good bit of anger in some of your comments.
Not fun conversing with that.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I only use the best.
Human chorionic gonadotropin. Who’s got big balls?
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by Dogrel on Jul 21, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Recky McReckerson to the rec'scue!
(Yeah, I know that was terrible)
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
That was half of the big balls reference.
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If you have any chance of getting paid later on, you’d be a dumbass not to use.
you’d be a dumbass to think ruining your body is worth a potential payday. sorry, but not worth it to me, ever. i would rather make 50K a year for 50 years and work hard for it, than make a few million in 10 and have health problems in my 40s and die early. then again, i dont see football as my only option in life like some of these kids do, so it may be different in their minds. they would be wrong, but it might make the decision make sense.
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by nole07 on Jul 21, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll rec this
because I was lucky enough to avoid major injury playing ball. Health >> $$
What are you glorifying with your life?
If you use them conservatively and intelligently there are minmal side effects.
The only people that “ruin their bodies” are bodybuilders taking ridiculously high dosages over long periods of time. With smart usage, steroids will actually greatly improve these athletes ability to recover from the punishment they are taking.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Bigger Faster Stronger....
A great documentary that shows the negative media hype on steroids and its effects. Not everyone has the after-school special roid rage like Ben Affleck here, nor the embellished side effects.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FvlIwuQBO8
Disclaimer: I am not condoning its use!! haha
by NoleSoulPole on Jul 21, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger
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ugh, freakin techno
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Ha, Reading Rainbow.
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meh, same diff
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Any change to the endocrine system
will put you at a higher risk for hormone-related problems.
What are you glorifying with your life?
A TRULY intelligent approach to steroids *is* possible....but VERY unlikely, especially in younger men.
Maybe 1% of the hundreds of thousands of steroid users due so intelligently.
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Barry Bonds had an intelligent approach
But he’s a douchebag, hence the witchhunt
No he didn't.....he got jealous of the attention McGuire & Sosa were getting, so he started shoving everything he could find into his ass.
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*everything* he could find?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
EVERYTHING.
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well played sir, well played
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
you are basically taking later health early
you rebound better, but you have traded that extra time being healthy for time later in life not being healthy. when you attempt to cheat your body, its a zero sum game. any unnatural gains have consequences.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Don't get me wrong folks. I'm not advocating for the useage of steroids.
I just think the naivety that permeates this board sometimes is interestin given how many smart people post here. Big time college football is ROTTEN to the core. Our coaches are cheating. Our players are taking steroids. Our boosters are paying players under the table. Maybe not as brazenly as in other places, but they’re doing it. That’s one of the reasons we’re winning again.
If you can’t wrap your head around the concept, then you really don’t understand what’s going on in college football at all. It reminds me of the folks that thought Bobby was just one player away.
Q: What’s your favorite pre-game ritual?
A: Well, I take a doodoo. Before every game I doodoo.
Florida's Ja'Juan Story in an actual interview.
by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry. I have the craps this morning.
Q: What’s your favorite pre-game ritual?
A: Well, I take a doodoo. Before every game I doodoo.
Florida's Ja'Juan Story in an actual interview.
by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The $$ created by our boosters ...
compared to the “big time” programs is minimal.
Obviously still enough to cheat if people are so inclined … but not the closets full of money that some program have.
We couldn’t even get the $$ together for an indoor practice facility that we wanted … had to cut the program down because we couldn’t raise the $$.
your false equivalence hurts my head
you fail to take into account specialized diets by professional nutritionists; a change from “Stroud, make ’em lean and fast” to “Vic, make these boys into grown ass men”; and the fact that we are recruiting players bigger to begin with.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Agree
These are ELITE athletes, not regular joes. They don’t all need the extra edge steroids give, since they already have an extra edge naturally
"A competitive world offers two possibilities. You can lose. Or, if you want to win, you can change"
Barry Bonds’ giant head and tiny balls
Jose Canseco’s multiple issues
oh, and big success in the short term
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I was around alot of steroids during my time at FSU,
I’ll just leave it at that (just trying to pump up my credibility here). My senior year I lived with a walk-on football player who took steroids and actually distributed some to team members and even gave me the names of some of the guys he delt to (some of them are laughable). When I asked him how many players took these supplements his response was basically that hardly any of them do. According to him the only users were either walk-on’s or guys who were so buried in the depth chart they were looking for something to give them a competitive edge. You’d be surprised how physically gifted some of these players are, and those guys don’t really want to risk what could be a lucrative NFL career to drugs. When you are that young the amount of testosterone in your body is so high its almost the equivalent of a GAM and a needle. To be taking that young would be like hitting a turbo boost on your car to get you to 100mph when your already going 105.
Cushing was a skinny little walk on. Hardly any natural athletic ability. His scenario doesnt suprise me.
I remember seeing pictures of Nigel Bradham coming out of high school looking like an absolute physical freak. I can hardly imagine him with the resources to go and purchase TEST in high school. He is just gifted.
by Shooter McFrattin on Jul 21, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cushing a skinny little walk on?
Are you being serious? he was 6’3" 230 at Bergen Catholic. US Army All American…. Are we talking about the same guy??!!
by NoleSoulPole on Jul 21, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
think he confused him with Clay Matthews
and while he wasnt a walk on, he was a fatbody with moobs. this doesnt happen in 4 years without a little…help

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Your right
Matthews was the walk-on. My bad.
by Shooter McFrattin on Jul 21, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
props for pics from thedirty.com
+2’s rock
by NoleSoulPole on Jul 21, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know what happened to Cushing in that pic
But in HS he was jacked up.
http://flashwarner.com/2006/07/what_happened_to_brian_cushing/
But yes, he went total Lattimer and blew up like a megafreak
by NoleSoulPole on Jul 21, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
In the left pic, he was just coming off shoulder surgery
So he couldn’t do any upper body workouts. Hence the man boobs. But also, as a former walk on, I can just say that I never saw/knew of anybody using steroids. Perhaps some did, but I’m just saying it wasn’t something I personally saw. As far as the results that Cushing got in 4 years, that is VERY reasonable. If you have the genetic make-up to play high-level college football, 4 years in a super high intensity weight program WITH excellent nutrition WITH the natural maturing of the male body between the ages of 18 and 22/23 could get you results like this with no steroids. You have to REALLY understand just how hard they used to work us, and that was under STROUD. Lord knows what Viloria can do.
by GradSchoolNole on Jul 21, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
that was actually addressed in the link
I know Cushing had a surgery for a dislocated shoulder, which puts a serious damper on lifting and burning calories. But this level of breast, stomach, and breast flesh? I can’t help but wonder what’s going on at USC. Is their S&C program so incompetent that they couldn’t manage to keep a guy with a dislocated shoulder from turning into Bluto Blutarsky? Or was Cushing up to something a bit more dodgy in those recruiting years and months subsequent to and is now failing to handle cycling down properly?
i am going with the latter, since we already know he was doing it.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I certainly agree with you (nole07) on that.
The man tested positive, so in his case, the answer is pretty clear. Combine that with the fact that he hasn’t been the same player since he got caught and the writing is on the wall.
by GradSchoolNole on Jul 21, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Cushing + Joe DeFranco = juice, early AND often.
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Can't anabolic steroids cause gynecomastia?
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Yep, hypogonadotropic hypogonadism too
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Sooooo basically....
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My first thought.
That movie used an analogue of FSU as well…
by Nolesos Locos on Jul 21, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
pause it early
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9vIUmYIQQ
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Anthony Houllis, for sure.
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A gram of test a week?? Jesus man....are you trying to be a pro bodybuilder??
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Or maybe a Sexual Tyrannosaurus.
Just like Blain in Predator
by NoleSoulPole on Jul 21, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, getting stronger wont stop him from Kyler Hall-ing those angles
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I've been taking this stuff called P6 (legal test booster/estrogen blocker)
It’s a product GNC sells and it certainly provides more than a placebo as every major muscle group has experienced between 10-30% strength gains. Ive only gained about 12 pounds but i’ve absolutely lost fat so probably more like 20 lbs of muscle gained. My point is, the legal stuff may not work quite as well, but it works and id be willing to bet its much safer to use than something Mongo sells in the locker room at Zits & attitude fitness center.
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You are statistically irrelevant. Sorry.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sigh. The N = 1 one thing was a joke for all the stats nerds.
I really think we need a sarcasm emoticon. Take a deep breath Monarch, you’re taking my comments way too seriously.
Q: What’s your favorite pre-game ritual?
A: Well, I take a doodoo. Before every game I doodoo.
Florida's Ja'Juan Story in an actual interview.
by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How ironic.
The comment you just replied to was 100% sarcasm and you’re talking to one of the stats nerds.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, i resemble that remark!
(Goes to the corner crying “I thought I was doing pretty well” ) lmao
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haha. That's actually awesome.
I used to have the discipline to eat/train right and get similar gains. No longer chasing girls…getting lazy.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Monarch, the diet part is what i struggle with.
Not so much the # of calories or % of fats,protein carbs etc. But eating FRESH foods consistently can be a pain in the a$$ with a 4 year old and a 50+ hr/ week job.
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I seriously feel your pain. I have 2 little ones at home and a 2 career household,
Cooking whole, real food on a consistent basis is a challenge. Trick is, when you fall of the wagon, don’t get too discouraged. You just gotta allow yourself to screw up and get after it all over again.
Q: What’s your favorite pre-game ritual?
A: Well, I take a doodoo. Before every game I doodoo.
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by 4-3ZoneShell on Jul 21, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
storm? Nat
Maybe a head nod or an Amen!
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by freshcollegeboy on Jul 21, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Very true, consistency is less realistic/ doable than relentlessness.
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CHEAT DAY......FTW!!!!
You just gotta allow yourself to screw up and get after it all over again.
Popeye’s and Ben & Jerry’s!!!
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Simple formula here guys...
Stay single and you are motivated to look better, chase girls and have fun. Get an ol’ lady and you become lazy, tired and you get yelled at.
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by NoleSoulPole on Jul 21, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You work out at Z&A too?!?
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Amen.
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Haha, not anymore.
Got tired of cleaning up puss from the headrests/ bringing an AK for protection while I exercised. Lol
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Actually, I think it is against NCAA rules for the institution to provide any supplements.
The athlete may take what they want, but it cannot be administered by the institution. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, but I doubt there are any official providers.
It may not be administered by the institution
But if the coaches say go to GNC and buy this brand and take it at this time in this amount. You get pretty much the same effects. I think the point is we now have a S&C program that knows what brand is best and dosent just give the players an extra piece of chicken.
They can give you protein powder and stuff like that.
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Amen.
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Yeah, i believe there's a % rule in there somewhere(i.e. can't be more than x % protein if administered by the University.)
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Is there a % rule for how many comments on this board can be about living in a gym?
We have to be coming close…
We've probably exceeded that %.
Sometimes, they’ll let it slide if its remotely FSU related.
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Muscle Milk?
I saw Janikowski take some GHB at Late Night Library one night. He fell on the ground, pissed himself and flopped around on the floor like a fish. The guy that gave it to him then offered me some. I was like, “yeah, that looked like fun.”
by NoleySmokes on Jul 21, 2011 10:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, the joys of GHB.
Had plenty during my HS days in PC. Don’t miss it AT ALL.
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I'd have to see them in person or close-up pictures. I can tell the difference between natural muscle & chemical muscle.
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It's hard to explain....if it wasn't so late I'd post some comparison pics.
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Yeah? Well while we're at it, let me feel your wife's bare tits and I can tell you if they're real or fake.
by lawdy15 on Jul 21, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like a party!!
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So much of that is genetics
It is not practical for us to compare ourselves to most of these guys from a physical/athletic standpoint. Once these guys have their nutrition and conditioning monitored, they can make quick and legitimate gains.
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Every top college team juices
Every single one
nope
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Everyone, dude. Every. Single. One.
If you can’t get that through your head, Seabass will be visiting you.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh-oh
Yep, thats right kids, Daddys home. Its about time too because FSU needs to spank some unruly punks who have been eating the the big piece of chicken. I dont know how much further to take this metaphor, but dammit, FSU IS BACK!
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by Miaminole on Jul 21, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Don't forget ...
All these backups and third-stringers will be bringing all this extra muscle on special teams. Doesn’t get talked about enough, but that’s a phase of the game in which we should be absolutely stellar — great kickers, great returners and we should have excellent blockers and tacklers.
22 elite ankles on every play.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I've been known to get carried away
occasionally.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
werd
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Point of reference
I just went back and looked the weights for the 1980 FSU front 7. It was the best defense ever at Florida State (shameless plug to my first-ever story on TN HERE)
Simmons, Arthur Scott, Herring, Piurowski and Co. totaled 1,607 pounds.
Crazy. Was that considered big back then?
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, the linebackers were!
Herring was 215 and Piurowski was 222. That was quite big for us. I remember in the late 1970s being very excited that our linebackers weighed more than 200 pounds (Herring was 195 as a sophomore).
Incredibly, Simmons weighed 220 pounds as a sophomore, when he began to be such a dominant force.
Nasty run stoppers in that day, no doubt!
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
On the 1980 team ...
The two heaviest letterman were Ken Lanier and Mark Macek — both at 260 pounds.
It is interesting to see what was considered freakish 20-30 yrs ago. In the late 80’s and early 90’s, having a starting 300 lb O-lineman was considered significant. Now, not so much. The same goes for WR. Remember Harold Carmichael for the Eagles? He was 6’7" and considered a freak and major weapon because of his height. Now we really don’t think too much about having WR’s approaching that height.
Any reason why Clint Trickett
is only 180lbs after a couple years of S&C. I’m sure he has a high metabolism but 6’2" 180?? That’s kind of disappointing. I sure hope EJ stays healthy.
by cerebralfish on Jul 23, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
it isnt that strange
i was 6’5" 165 at times during college (albeit without the nutrition program). sometimes you can eat and eat, and it only burns right off when you exercise. i did pack on 30lbs after my first 6 months behind a desk, but that was because i ate the same as when i was burning a lot. he will need to eat his body weight to push 200.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i havent grown anymore
good lord, if i grew any more at 21 i would have been shocked. my growth spurt was later, but not that late.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I understand a high metabolism
I’ve been 6’4" 170-175 for 15 years and eat like a pig, but I play basketball 3 times a week and never really concentrate on adding bulk. I think 190 at the very least is where Trickett should be right now. Has he gained any weight at all since he’s been at FSU? Give me 2 years under Vic and I could put on 10lbs. I bet we see a substantial jump in his weight as he becomes an upper classman and his number has a more realistic chance of being called. He can gain 5lbs a year easily with some more focus.
by cerebralfish on Jul 25, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
it was his HS number
Jamar Jackson had it for the last 2 years
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
So only UVA returns more starters in the ACC than we do.
And yet another writer calls out Swofford. When will the ACC presidents realize this guy is a dope?!
I think SMU is a good club. I like what Jones is doing there. They’ve been one of the top 2 or 3 C-USA teams the last 2 seasons. That’s gotta make them better than the BCS scrubs. Being 50ish seems fair. Only UCF, Boise, TCU and BYU are definitely better non-BCS teams (off the top of my head). And if you say 8 teams in each BCS conference are better than SMU, you get SMU at 53rd.
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It's just that I'm hesitant reading any self-reported weight numbers now
Especially since there is now a culture of “needing to be big” in response to Bud’s and Jimbo’s emphasis on needing to get bigger. I haven’t seen every player, but I’ve seen Lonnie on-campus not two weeks ago. He looked about the same size as he did last year. Hopefully, I just have a bad eye. But in the words of Charles Barkley’s book title: “I may be wrong…but I doubt it.”
What are you glorifying with your life?
I think it's ok if he never cracks 215 here
I think the body / skills analog for Telvin is Geno Hayes. Ferocious, little heat-seeking missiles.
What are you glorifying with your life?
218, but thats splitting hairs
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
No Gerald Demps? No Rhonne Sanderson? No Tank Sessions? Keep an eye on these…
Are any of these academically ineligible? If yes, they should still be around by season’s end. If not, they might be currently packing.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I'm thinking Sanderson is a bench guy and graduates after the season.
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Annoying rumor I get emailed about says Demps is. Can’t confirm atm.
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Herb Waters at JFC.
Saw he’ll work out today.
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I think I thought this was the recruiting thread.
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I think I thought i thaw a puddy cat.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm. A 5'8, 200 pound RB.
Sounds like a boy from the Swamp a few years back. Heard he had a pretty good career.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Not in College, no freaking way. Emmitt was around 205 during his playing days in G-ville...
If you’re talking mid-30’s NFL Emmitt…then he was probably a little heavier, but still not sure he ever cracked 220.
The fact that Foose is cross-listed at T and G
makes me think he is one of the better young lineman Trickett has.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Without a doubt
Think Foose is a great bet to be a starter in 2012
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
PT for our OL backups is going to be crucial this year
They need to be in as often as possible to be ready to handle the loss of 3 OL starters in ’12.
Championship!
by TLHWG on Jul 21, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 21, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No. Warren's fox trot is superior.
by The K-Man on Jul 21, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
proving the importance of elite ankles
by newdynastynole on Jul 21, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
And of keeping your butt down
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If all else fails
Krug could be the biggest badass yoga instructor of all time.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
JMac on whether he's actually moving to the 3-tech: "Yeah, it is [true]"

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by ricobert1 on Jul 21, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Editor's note:
He messed with me on the first question:

Very nice subterfuge. Got me hook, line, and sinker.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Thus sending the TN flock into a frenzy.
Well played, JMac. Well played.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 21, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, and thats an out of shape OL to boot. makes me wonder how much of Benjamin's is bad weight.

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
He could be out of shape and looks like it,
but remember, Hudson would have never won any body contests…
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 21, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hart in that Picture
Hart has an elite level ass.. Could care less that Hart looks out of shape, his lower body is elite level.. You can’t teach big ass..
by FSU3368 on Jul 21, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel the same way about my women.
by GradSchoolNole on Jul 21, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and rec’d haha
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I feel weird inside agreeing with you.
But I do
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Jul 21, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
2013 Championship Mold
2013 monsters! Goldman and Jerrnigan
"You're always going to have those butterflies. If you don't then you're not a competitor and you're not a player. When you lose that feeling in your stomach that's when you need to not do it anymore. That's what makes it special and exciting." - Jimbo Fisher
Those are grown men......
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Jul 21, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't speak for Coach Fisher but
I know I sure use EJ’s legs in NCAA 12 lol.
by fsunole23 on Jul 21, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Smart man. Confident Jimbo will send EJ off tackle a few times.
I cant wait to see him do the dougie in the endzone.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Jul 21, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i get the feeling EJ has more class than to do the dougie in the endzone
this isnt Chad Johnson or Steve Smith here.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
my bet is on Greg "swag surfin" Reid
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
ah, missed that one entirely
nole07=non-tweeter
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Why is celebrating in the endzone classless?
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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For better or worse, it's probably gonna be seen as pretty classless from now on.
Especially now that It can cost your team six points if you do it.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Celebrating before the endzone will cost you points, but not if you do it in the endzone.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
celebrating is one thing
but the over the top stuff isnt classy. its one thing to do the Lambeau leap and celebrate with the fans, or jump up and down with your team. but those should be reserved for big situations. dancing (or pretending to row a boat), while funny, isnt classy. act like youve been there before.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I still don't see how it's classless.
If you don’t like celebrations that’s your call. But that doesn’t make them classless. Jmo.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
again, nothing wrong with celebrating
its the taunting thats classless, and celebrating minor TDs. celebrations are when you celebrate your accomplishment, not do something to draw attention to yourself.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
A matter of interpretation.
celebrations are when you celebrate your accomplishment, not do something to draw attention to yourself.
I don’t even think taunting is inherently classless. But I did hate seeing Nigel Carr taunt. Dude never played and wasn’t any good. Worst of all we were almost always losing. He should’ve been flagged for stupidity.
Should kids be penalized for high-stepping into the endzone, diving or turning around and holding the ball out towards the nearest defender? I don’t think so. I don’t think it’s classless, either. It’s kids having fun and it’s entertaining to me.
This stuff is all subjective and even the rules on this issue have been interpreted and enforced during games differently.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Um,
But I did hate seeing Nigel Carr taunt. Dude never played and wasn’t any good. Worst of all we were almost always losing. He should’ve been flagged for stupidity.
I thought he already was flagged for stupidity.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Celebrating before the endzone never cost Deion any points....
by cerebralfish on Jul 23, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
according to the new rule, it will now
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I think you may still will be able to celebrate prior to the endzone, actually, just as long as you don't turn to taunt your opponent.
Something like that.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
Just finished two years of dynasty as FSUs OC...
Thompson and Wilder have won back-to-back Hesimans.
I always drink some of the koolaid. Sometimes in the past years its been shots instead of funnels.
Last year I chugged a glass of it and was humbled by OU. I was excited but I didnt feel this excited going into last year.
Just seeing on paper the improvements on an already great team. Gets me doing keg stands of the koolaid on tap.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
Koolaid keg stands this early is not a good sign
At this rate you’ll be freebasing it come Labor Day.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
by Dogrel on Jul 23, 2011 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rosters for PS3
Does anyone have the right roster for FSU? Thanks for your help
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by dj2fsu on Jul 23, 2011 7:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Coach Vic......
Has done wonders with the team in a limited amount of time………..Coach Fisher/Gran are turning Lonnie into a Ronnie Brown 2.0….and E.J. is a beast at 245 6’5, i want to see who is really going to want to tackle him…..13-14 linemen 300+, 20-21 290+…………Brandon up to 265, he is going to have a beast of a year……..even Waisome is up to 175 ….the season can’t come soon enough
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