Noles News 07.26.11
by Bud Elliott on Jul 26, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
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PrintJimbo said a lot yesterday at ACC media days, but didn't really say much. I'll try to condense it into one paragraph for you. Still not a fan of a playoff without knowing the specifics, acknowledges OU is a big game, etc. He still loves EJ Manuel, who was the second-favorite for conference player of the year. He'll work with EJ to develop the game plan just as he did with Christian Ponder. Reporters still think EJ is inexperienced, and Fisher disagreed, listing many of his accomplishments. FSU was the only team not to bring a senior to media days. Fisher said the 'Noles are young, but experienced. The 'Noles were the overwhelming favorite to win the division and a solid favorite to win the conference. Not much new info came out of media days for those of you who regularly read TomahawkNation. Jimbo did stress the importance of edge play-- both at end and corner. He is clearly conscious of how the spread and the running QB creates an extra gap that must be accounted for. He said that Jenkins is up to 270 pounds, and factoring in JimboFlation, I'll take that to mean 265. Bottom line: he'll be better against the run. And yes, he still would be interested in moving the UF game to open the season, as playing a huge non-conference game before the championship game doesn't make a lot of sense if the focus is on the conference, as it should be.
Here is a photo gallery of media day. Jimbo featured in pictures 19 and 27. Want to watch Fisher talk for free? Go here and fast-forward to the 3:30 mark.
Credit to Coley Harvey of the Sentinel for some excellent coverage, though Fisher and Co. didn't say anything new.
Rivals
Credit to the ACC media for having the guts to vote Maryland 5th in the division. That''s a team that got very lucky last season and was more of a 7 win team than a 9 win team. Add in big personnel losses, a 15% practice time NCAA penalty, a new head coach and a tougher schedule... But Ben is correct that other teams are not without questions of their own.
Jarvis Byrd Out For Season
N.C. State loses its backup corner.
Other CFB
I’m not really sold on this coaching staff. It simply doesn’t have the cachet of recent Tulsa groups: it lacks the Gus Malzahn, Herb Hand or Chad Morris, which is not reason for overwhelming concern but reason, as of today, to wonder if Blankenship and his staff can keep the momentum going in 2011 and beyond. Well, perhaps not in 2011: while the defense raises some red flags, I do think this new-look staff will keep things rolling along just fine this fall. There’s just too much talent not to succeed, to be honest, particularly on offense but also on the defensive side of the ball. Kinne is one of Conference USA’s best quarterbacks; the offensive line is in fine shape; the receiver corps has talent, though some shoes must be filled; and there are some definite strong points defensively, like at end and linebacker. So you can forget about some of the issues, though the Golden Hurricane need to find answers at defensive tackle — here most of all — and improve in the secondary, though there is enough talent in the defensive backfield to expect at least a slight improvement in 2011. In all, Tulsa is ready to roll into another eight-win season. But it’s going to be tough to get there, and don’t be surprised if the Golden Hurricane end the year at 7-5. This is a team that’ll go 1-3 in non-conference play, losing to Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Boise State. This is a team that must get past S.M.U. and Houston — both at home, to be fair — and face U.C.F. on the road. To get to eight wins, Tulsa needs to either knock off a non-conference foe, which is a tall task, or go 7-1 in conference play. The latter is entirely possible, which would leave Tulsa right alongside Houston in the West division. Now, if Graham and his crew had returned in 2011 I would have placed the Golden Hurricane atop the conference altogether and right where they ended last year, hovering around a national ranking. But the changes will take their toll, at least somewhat, and I wonder if Tulsa can keep up its current pace given the transition. Until we know what Blankenship and this staff are made of, this is a fair landing spot for the Golden Hurricane.
Paul doesn't buy the coaching staff. I don't buy Tulsa being one of the best 40 teams in the country, though they should win quite a few games with that schedule.
I have a Big East favorite. I see two teams above the rest, one a bit more than the other. And I see three Big East teams that can sit back in July and have very real B.C.S. hopes: South Florida is one of those teams. There’s a lot to like, starting with a very good coaching staff entering its second season with the program. Holtz and his assistants did a fine job in 2010, starting slow but turning things on down the stretch, which lends credence to the thought that U.S.F. will continue to get better and better with this staff in place. There’s also talent in the offensive backfield, led by a crop of intriguing running backs headlined by a pair of top-notch transfers. The only real question mark on defense is along the interior of the line, which is cause for concern but not, in my mind, something that’s going to keep South Florida from reaching its full potential. So don’t be surprised if the Bulls end up taking home the Big East and reaching a B.C.S. bowl; be upset, as this team is not of that caliber without the conference tie-in, but don’t be surprised. So why do I have U.S.F. third in the Big East? Because the team is not as talented as either West Virginia or Pittsburgh, in my opinion, though the gap isn’t all that large. Because Daniels has talent but lacks consistency, and his play will again dictate this team’s fate offensively. Because while the team will be better in year two under Holtz, I still think the Bulls need to learn what it takes to win a Big East crown. But they’re learning, and have the right coach in place to eventually get there. For now, U.S.F. is running third in a pretty weak Big East, behind Pittsburgh and West Virginia.
I see USF being pretty good in 2012, but they could make a BCS bowl this year because of the Big East.
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Now that EJ's shoulder is all cleaned out. I would think him.
Accuracy is not even a contest. One of the many reasons Ponder went in the 1st Rd.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
If EJ can throw a great deep ball, then that will really open up the running game for him. I liked the fact that he is willing to throw the deep ball more than ponder.
by Cjones6121 on Jul 26, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fellas, it doesnt matter how far a QB can throw the ball, how hard a LB can hit, or how accurate a kicker is
its all about the ankles
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EJ completed 69.9% in 2010 and 65.1% in 2009.
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That’s what I tell people who doubt him. He is likely going to complete over 60% of his passes. He has all the makings of s damn fine QB.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 10:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that is a deceiving stat
his playbook was very simplified, and he played a lot of garbage time when we were rolling the opponent. quick checkdowns tend to inflate completion percentages. he isnt bad by any means, but he isnt throwing darts. Ponder’s accuracy was mostly based on throwing guys open, but EJ has the arm strength to squeeze it in. if he can get both down, it will be a year that approaches 70%.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
i didnt say it was all garbage time
but Samford comes to mind. however, i listed playbook first and described it because it was the more important ingredient to his high completion numbers. Fisher does a good job protecting young and hurt guys by keeping it as simple as possible, like less reads and a heavy dose of bubble screens. those numbers should regress to the mean as EJ is given more options, and then settle back at a good number when he has it fully absorbed.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Games he came in in mop up duty he was 16/23 or 69.6%. Games he started or played the majority of he was 49/70 or 70% and his yards per attempt numbers in those games were 8.33. So if those numbers are all going to come down when we complicate the Playbook, I’ll argue we’d be dumb to do so.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
we have to complicate the playbook
the offense becomes predictable if you dont. it works in short stints, but you have to keep it fresh or the defense can read you like an open book. it would be dumb not to do so. you may as well hand out laminated copies of the playbook at the ACC media days.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Being simplistic really slowed down Auburn and Oregon last year.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Auburn wasn't a Hurry Up offense though
Only 62 in adjusted pace. Just behind Florida.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 12:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True. http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2011/5/16/2169822/the-toolbox-adj-pace
But Auburn was a No-huddle offense, yes?
What are you glorifying with your life?
Point being, there must be some tangible benefit to expanding the playbook. I agree we weren’t actually as successful against Clemson as the numbers bare out and 5.6 per attempt against USCe was not great. But the playbook expands with EJs expansion as a player. If his completion % regresses (which I expect it to to 63ish%) I’m fine with that as long as there is an increase in per attempt numbers or at least a decrease in the variance in his per attempt numbers.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
could Newton do the same thing next year with the same playbook?
not likely, even with the same personnel. everybody would have had the entire offseason to pick apart his game. they wouldnt stop him, but they would slow him significantly. the only way to continue to be successful is to be innovative (macro) and add to/tweak the playbook (micro). that is the “tangible benefit”.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I think college has shown that one physically dominant player can be almost unstoppable. UF under Tebow never switched anything up and still dominated. I don’t see how Cam wouldn’t have continued his level of domination this year.
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that was more because of Harvin than Tebow
Auburn were the fighting Cam Newtons last year. War Cam Eagle, if you will.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Forgive me if im reading your comment wrong, but....
Florida and Auburn to a lesser extent certainly were not one-man shows. UF in their spread offense was dangerous everywhere. Auburn like I said to a lesser extent also clearly had talent everywhere. Think about it, Tebow, Newton, Vince Young etc. wont succeed without a solid O-line, skill guys & “D”.
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Athletically? Sure
Player? Not for me. If you ask me, who would I rather have, I have to consider the “total package.”
I think I could put more with the holier than thou stuff over the rolling in the dough, having to go to JC route, etc.
He didn't "have" to go juco.
It was his best option if he wanted to transfer. Worked out quite well.
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If you're asking me
Do I want the best athlete, I take Newton. If you’re asking me, do I want the best leader/QB/winner, I take Tebow. I don’t worry about Tebow stealing laptops. I don’t worry about his daddy shopping him around. And Tebow, wonderlic score and all, appeared to know his right from his left (something that Newton didn’t know in 2007 but does now.)
Are you serious?
Newton played hard and had no off the field issues at Auburn. He was a leader and he wanted to win. I wouldn’t want my daughter to date him, but he was fine last year.
Newton had a better arm, was faster, more accurate.
On top of all of that, I hate Tebow and his stupid gator face. So there. :)
Not more complicated than what EJ was asked to run.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 12:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Youre off base here
Yes, he played garbage time against Samford, Oklahoma and Wake. But he also played VT, Clemson, USCe, 2009 UF, WVU, Wake and Maryland.
So that’s like 2 games where we were rolling the opponent.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention he was probably doing that with freshman/sophomore WR's.
I mean, if it’s a rational excuse to some of Ponder’s 2010 struggles, should it not also apply to EJ?
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
The thing that impressed me most about EJ was
The fact that he would be patient in the pocket. He did not try to force things too much.
I think the numbers show that it is at least a “contest” between Ponder and Manuel as far as accuracy even if you want to say Ponder wins.
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i can certainly agree with that
Manuel is no slouch, but Ponder’s game is accuracy because he doesnt have the arm Manuel does.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
and who has the biggest thumbs?
both questions are equally relevant to QB play. :-)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
As to USF
In 2012 we talking top 25 team? Or top 15 team?
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 9:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Where would he go?
NFL? IMO he doesn’t strike me as a likely draft pick even after a senior year.
by NationWideNole on Jul 26, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Where would he go?
What would he do? Is there anyone seriously suggesting that he go early to play in the NFL? Not as a QB, I don’t think. He’s about 4 inches too short.
I think he’s good, for what he does. But what he does doesn’t translate real well in the NFL.
Maybe he makes a roster as an “athlete?” But those guys don’t leave early, do they?
Only reason to leave early that I can think of, would be he’s tired of college and thinks, “I’m willing to keep doing this IF they will pay me to play.” Otherwise, I’m done.
I see no one on that roster beating him out
He’ll be there I imagine.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 9:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would think 19-25 range, personally
Talent on their roster won’t allow them to rise much beyond that.
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Manuel has Jenkins at 275.
Averaging that and the Jimboflation adjusted figure of 256 puts BJ at 270.
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Side by side, Manuel looks bigger than Jenkins
But Jenkins apparently outgains him by 25 pounds or so. I just don’t see it.
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Looks taller, but not bigger.
Jenkins is a lot thicker.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 26, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't see it, either.
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Lower half. That’s where the weight difference is/should be.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I could see 15.
EJ at 245 or 250, Jenkins at 260, or 265. More likely 260. Jenkins lower body is a lot thicker.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 26, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
And if you were to stretch Jenkins out to make him Manuel's height he wouldn't be as thick in the lower half.
For a guy that’s like 6’2" and supposedly pushing 270 pounds, he sure doesn’t look that big. Jmo.
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Actually in the
video on that other site of the actual press conference with EJ and Jenkins side by side answering questions, Jenkins himself said he was 270 and was trying to lose some weight, and the announcer or whatever he was said a summer in Florida that wont be a problem.
According to Rivals (and you don't have to subscribe to see it),
USF is currently ranked 20th in recruiting, with 8 commitments averaging 3.25 stars I believe.
Long way to go, but that’s on par with some very solid programs. Not in the ballpark of FSU, but nothing to look down at, especially in the Big East.
Serious question: Has USF has been a prime beneficiary of Miami's decline?
I just don’t see them rising like they have if Miami is pulling all of the kids they used to.
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I dont think its really related.
USF has been rising for 5-10 years as both a school and football program. Same with UCF. They both might be seeing some benefits from UM being down last year and this year but I dont believe they are heavily correlated. Think us being down had as big of an impact.
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
They've already started to rise, though.
UCF and USF won’t ever be perennial pushovers and should be solid BCS type teams (I’m thinking NC State/BC/Maryland type ceiling = consistent 8-4).
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Agreed
Sorta what I meant. They have both been rising, certainly prior to UMs “demise”, possibly since closer to the beginning of FSUs. Neither will be dominant but both should see major success compared to their history. 2 of the big 3 being down (though at least one is headed back up), can only help that.
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
by Dcubbienole on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Bud
“Credit to the ACC media for having the guts to vote Maryland 5th in the division. That’’s a team that got very lucky last season and was more of a 7 win team than a 9 win team. Add in big personnel losses, a 15% practice time NCAA penalty, a new head coach and a tougher schedule… But Ben is correct that other teams are not without questions of their own.”
I was curious as to why you think MD is so bad. Just to cover my point at suface level: Good QB with great freshman #’s – 4 SR Wide Receivers, (1 JR) – Edsall good pick up, (In contrast to the fridge he was almost a mirror).
Not to mention an 8pm game at home vs UM – ND is basically a home game at Fed-Ex Field -
Im not saying MD to the promised land. But I give them the edge over BC, WF, VA, WV, Temple, Towson, NCST, and hell even UM and GT while we are at it.
7-9 wins for MD this year.
Go Noles!
You think MD beats Miami?
Care to wager an avatar for a month?
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 26, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I think
MD will win a game they are not supposed to and Miami will drop a game they are not supposed to. What better one to pick than the 1st. Night game. 2 new coaches. In MD.
How do we bet an Avatar? You mean our little icon thing?
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Nah
he means the movie. Each of you send me your copy and I’ll… uh… arbitrate the wager. Not the extended edition though, because let’s be real… The gratuitous alien nudity is enough to get me through 3.5 hours of Pocahontas, but not 4. Not 4.
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Someone give this guy a rec for me
by vickers8 on Jul 26, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the thingie.
If Maryland wins, you pick mine for the next month. If Miami wins, I pick yours. Just a friendly wager, nothing bad.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 26, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll make a note of this on my calendar
What date is the game?
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Labor Day, 8PM kick
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Old Buc on Sept.6, rocking the "U".
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
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It will be significant to me because
Old Buc will have to rock the U for a month.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 27, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
breakin down
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Goin' old school I see.
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I have to bow out of this wager due to the fact that I would UNDOUBTEDLY come up with an avatar the mods would not approve of...
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They lost their best receiver
And a whole heap of their receiving yards. I don’t think much of Edsall as a coach or tactician and what little I know about his scheme on D is that it is fairly vanilla.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Curious why you don't think much of Edsall.
Connecticut, right? Who was Connecticut before Edsall? (Answ: Nobody.)
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
That he backed into a title in that Mickey Mouse conference doesn't impress me
They were no one before him, doesn’t mean,some other average coach couldn’t have done similar.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 3:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I honestly don't know much about Saban's time at MSU
but I do know that the competition that he faced in the Big Ten at the time is far greater than what Edsall’s UConn team faced, so I don’t think comparing what an elite coach did in a pretty good conference compares at all to what Edsall did in the Big East (weren’t they a 5 loss BE champ in their “best” year)?
you may be right but
bowden was my kicker anyway. just tried to think of another coach off the top of my head and thats what I came up with.
Go Noles!
Yeah, I'm not saying Edsall is a bad coach, but
he did come from a school where Maryland was considered an upgrade :)
He should have taken the UConn show on the road like Bowden did in the 80’s.
Skip Holtz did pretty well at UConn.
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This is the same rationale that Canes use to slobber Golden's bean bag....
Connecticut, right? Who was Connecticut before Edsall? (Answ: Nobody.)
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They lost their two best receivers, and I expect a defensive collapse. 6-6 for me. I can see 7-5 or 5-7 too.
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UF to start the season
I’m torn with this one. The game has become a Thanksgiving weekend tradition, but as with everything else in CFB $ and national title hopes dictate all.
If it does get moved I hope the post Thanksgiving slot is filled with either Clemson or Miami.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 26, 2011 10:16 AM EDT reply actions
The Gators had a falling out over this at their site
They don’t seem to understand the argument Jimbo is making.
>>---l>
Or that their two most beloved coaches wanted to move it at different points
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 10:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They keep saying stuff like, “Well, we’re 7-3 in SEC title games so it doesn’t hurt us,” which makes absolutely no sense. What would your record be if you played a patsy the week before for whom you didn’t have to prepare and got to rest your starters? It’s called giving your team the best chance to win.
>>---l>
Not to mention FSU
was so weak. Maybe they’ll understand a bit more over the next few years if it doesn’t get moved.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 26, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
“Young fool, only now, at the end, do you understand.”
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
That's very familiar. What is it from?
Either way, rec’d.
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Return of the Jedi
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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What is the world coming to when a quote from Return of the Jedi is not recognized?
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by Jamil Dawson on Jul 26, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Good point, i thought it was SW and yes im self-deducting 50 points. :(
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To be fair
UF was 5-2 in SECCGs from 92-00 and they played all of those the week after various great FSU teams.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 26, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
also an 11 game regular season.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 26, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
And I still recall Steve mailing it in when it was clear FSU was going to wax UF.
1992 comes to mind when he played Charlie for a half and realized he was wasting his time, and sat some starters in the 2nd.
Steve mailed it in?
As I recall, we scored our 45th point with 13 minutes to play in the third quarter. And scored no more, which I found disappointing.
I think if anyone mailed it in in the second half, it was us, actually.
That was the last series that Cholley played
Agree that Matthews didn’t play much more either but ask yourself this, up to that point, how well had he played?
Terry Dean threw as many TD passes that day as Matthews did.
The point though, remains, that when UF was good enough to win the SEC, they’ve won the SEC and our game has not effected them in the least.
Best example? 1994. IF EVER there was a situation where UF could or even, should have fallen apart in the title game, it was then. After what happened in Doak, there were people wondering if they’d even show up in Atlanta.
What’s even more interesting to me in that one is, they played a very good Alabama team that day, one that was undefeated, still in the national title hunt and MOTIVATED.
I guess the Bama people though, would blame losing that game on having to play Auburn two weeks before, LOL.
I think they only won 2 SEC titles while we were down.
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Or my favorite retort "1996"
When voters have since then gone out of their way TWICE to prevent rematches in the title game. If 96 happened today, FSU beats Sun Devil ass for their 2nd NC.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually it would’ve been mute because the Rose Bowl wasn’t a part of the old Bowl Alliance, so a 1996 scenario is impossible today because now ASU would’ve played in the Sugar Bowl/National title game.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 26, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
you would have muted the TV if ASU played us?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by nole07 on Jul 26, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
oh, i see
oh well, its in the past, so its a moot point now
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
thats right, go comatose for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n46CtDmKOg
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Thats exactly my point
If 96 was played by today’s rules, we mud hole stomp ASU for title #2
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FSU: 1997 Woulda Coulda Shoulda Bowl Champions!
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Do you find justice in having to play a team you already beat for the title?
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 3:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Well
At least we can always point out how uf has backed into both their titles. They might say the same thing about our 93 one, but nobody can say anything about our 99 one, bwa ha ha.
That depends
Do you find justice in reliving the past for no reason?
There was a title game played. We were in it, and we lost it big. We have no room to gripe.
At least we got our shot.
Plenty of teams didn’t even get that much.
Miami didn’t get it in 2000,
Auburn didn’t get it in 2003,
TCU didn’t get it in 2010,
And if you go back far enough, any number of teams can say the same thing about any number of seasons. Nearly all of them have more call to gripe at cruel fate than FSU’s 1996 team does.
1951 University of San Francisco anyone? How about 1932 Colgate?
I’m plenty happy with the titles that we DO have to leave the pointless speculation to the fans of teams that haven’t won anything.
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To those gata fans: Duh.
Same argument Spurrier made in the 90s, hello.
Moving
Clemson or Miami would defeat the purpose of moving UF. The idea is to get a weaker team so that it is more capable in the ACC championship game. Last year FSU had to deal with UF the week before the championship game and VT got VA. I like the UF game thanksgiving weekend but I understand not wanting to play UM, UF, or Clemson, or even UNC the week before the championship game.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 26, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I understand, just always have equated Thanksgiving weekend in CFB as a time for big time rivalry games.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 26, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there any reason we can't push back conference champ week?
That way all of the teams that make it get a bye
Just a pesky thing called finals week.
If the football players get an exemption from that, there should be no problem.
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x2
I get that NC is ultimate goal, but I love the Thanksgiving game with the terds, it’s like there are 5 days of anticipation and smack talk, I go to my mom’s family’s farm in Levy County for Thx Giving and then drive over to the Swamp or back to Tally for the Saturday game. Plus it’s usually opening weekend of rifle season and first split of waterfowl hunting, it’s BY FAR the greatest week of the year. Why mess with that?
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
by cmk07c on Jul 26, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because it's cost us National Title shots in the past?
1997 comes to mind immediately as a case in point.
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Win, Loss, Tie
That is hands down best week of the year, read my previous 2 sentences of all that goes with it. Just part of it. Yeah it’s cost us, but it makes it that much better when we get it done!
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
So, you think playing them last cost us that year?
Really? I think getting beat by them cost us, but I’m not sure that scheduling-wise, we would have been better off earlier in the year, would we? Game still would have been down there.
Yeah, they got beat a couple of times in October, so maybe timing would have mattered? But I don’t see it. They were preseason number one that year. Down there, I think before the season started, most neutral folks would have picked them to win that game, regardless of September, October or November game date.
I believe it was the first time we saw the 2 QB system.
Was a very talented defense ready? At the end of the day…..no. Damn Jacqez Green getting loose from Tay Cody.
by BucsNolesRays on Jul 26, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Samari Rolle?
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What does that have to do?
What does that have to do with when we played them?
Rotatiing QBs had zip to do with it. Near as I could tell, they did us a favor as Johnson made every play for them that day that QBs made. All “Fat Dog” did was hand it to Taylor.
We did lose to a team with a Hall of Fame tailback. An NFL receiver. An NFL QB. A Hall of Fame pass rusher perhaps in Kearse. Again, that was preseason number one. I don’t think UF won because they didn’t have to get ready for the SEC title game. They were rather talented that year.
Don't blame the CB
on that play (I honestly don’t recall which CB it was) but he released Green on that play, clearly expecting safety help which never came. If you can stand to watch a replay of that game you will see the corner obviously upset with the safety.
It was on the DB.
WR was streaking downfield, got behind the DB(by about 2-3 yards) and equa-distant to the sideline. Green than cut to mid field. Tay Cody made the tackle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMhBVIrcLP8 20 seconds in.
by BucsNolesRays on Jul 26, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Story is
The story I’ve heard is, we stole some signals from their sideline, specifically, the hitch signal. Spurrier realized it and dooped up when he changed the signal.
How true? Hell, I don’t know. Try tackling Fred Taylor. Or go for it on the two and leave them 98 yards away from a TD if you don’t make it. Or get the grounding call on Doug Johnson, etc., etc.
Cant play UM then
Runs risk of back to back matchups.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kind of want UF in week 4 & Miami to move further back
Still want a couple of warmup games to get the team settled. I think UF traditionally plays Tenn in week 3, so if we played them in week 4 it’d still be an early matchup, but not so early that both teams play like garbage on national TV, like FSU and Miami did in the mid-2000s.
I’m fine with Miami being later in the season than week 5/6 in this scenario. In fact, I’d be all for moving them to early November permanently.
My only stipulation is that I want a home game cupcake for the post-Thanksgiving game. Now that we are expecting to make ACCCGs with regularity, I want our starters fresh and rested for that game.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Ah but the SEC is very structured
They don’t allow non-conference games after week 2 I believe or something like that. I don’t know the exact parameters though.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It depends on the school. Although I believe all 3 schools that play ACC rivals play 2 OOC games, SEC slate, FCS patsy, before ending with the rivalry game.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 26, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
AA said yesterday they’re only allowed in like the first two weeks and last two weeks something to that affect.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There was a time when I'd lose it if we moved the UF game. Now, I really don't care.
When you think about it, it’s not like we have 100 years of tradition we’d be breaking by moving it from Thanksgiving weekend/last game of the year. Some are kind of making a big deal about something that, in all honesty, if changed would result in hardly anyone even caring a year from it being done.
Sorry Dogrel wrote the same thing a bit further down
Completely agree
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UF
would never go for that. (FSU the week after Tenn). Also the Gator October schedule is usually pretty brutal, so no room there. The only way we could move it and the Gators agree to it would be the week before thanksgiving. Foley is a pretty good scheduler.
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I agree that mid-conference schedules just won't work and doesn't make much sense, especially for UF.
I think moving it up one week is doable. About the only other option is one of the first two games of the year, and I’m not sure UF will be willing to do that – although in years that they’ve played UM in the past, I remember them playing them in one of those early games, so who knows.
Schedule-wise, and I think for both teams now that we both have conference title games, any of these options is better than the current scenario.
Not a huge fan of opening the season against them. Maybe week 4
But to open the season. When your still possibly getting the groove. Seeing who wins out in position battles and all. I can see the overall better team if their is one losing on any given year by playing so early. At least after at least maybe 3 games then you can figure both teams are going to be around their potential of play for the season. I rather play them when the teams are solid. Then one team just beating out the other cause its the first game. Then not having a great season after. And if its done that early it still gives both teams,(maybe not this year for the Noles with ACC as been discussed) but in general both teams can possibly lose a close game against a Rival in a place its still early on and if you rin the table can be in the mix. But I dont like week 1. I like after maybe a 1/5 of the season
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No one is saying home opener. Just at the beginning. I think Jimbo would agree
with 3rd or 4th. 1/5? So like, 2.4 games into the season? HAHA.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 26, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lol. I just kinda meant like a quarter of the way in somewhere
Maybe a bit less. But yea after at least 2 or 3 fames
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Leave the UF game where it is
In this constant push to scheme your team to an easier shot at the NC, can’t at least the rivalry games be sacred?
At a certain point we’re going to change this sport so much that even winning the NCs won’t feel the same.
That said, I don’t see much chance of it moving.
To me a NC will feel exactly the same
If we ended up with an ACC schedule some season where we had Duke, Maryland, Wake Forest, Clemson at home, UF at home, UM on the road. And at the end of it we play someone that sneaks into the ACCCG thats not VT and at the end of the season we played and beat the ACC going undefeated and winning the conference, beat UF. And if it was a year so bad that not one was ranked. But we got to a NC game for being undefeated and win it. I wont think twice about it not feeling as good cause we didnt play anyone of substance or a big game other then UF and maybe UM once in awhile just cause they are rivals I will jump with joy over that titles after we beat whoever in the MNC game. I dont care what our opponents records are or how good they are. As long as we win the title I cant agree with thinking the NC wont feel the same. It will feel just as great
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Clemson should be near the end
There’s the chance of a UM/FSU rematch in the CCG. Plus, the CU/FSU game could very well decide the Atlantic champion. That’s a high note for the conf season to end on, and could help generate interest in the ACC. Likewise, either VT/UM or VT/UNC should probably be a late season game – perhaps the same week. Every now and then, things would fall perfectly into place for what would amount to an ACC playoff.
I've heard several people suggest moving the ACCCG back one week
Is that a legitimate option?
Formerly known as 'stilts'
Don’t think so bc of exams.
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by AMFKNole on Jul 26, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
School this year goes a week later then normal.
If school/exams get moved around that easy why couldn’t the football game? But I am stoked now that the acc champ game isn’t the weekend before finals. A lot of us students will be able to go now.
by Blake Davis on Jul 26, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah it was like that in 06 as well
my mind seems to be blanking for 05, which was the year we actually won the ACCCG, but I know in 06 that if we had made it then there would have been another week of class after the game before exams. Not the case from 07-10.
How possible is it to find a warm-up style game for after Thanksgiving? You’re going to want to fill it with a non-conference game, because otherwise the ACC will send the Noles to Boston College in late November or something.
Shouldn't be so hard
LA-LAfayette Plays ’Zona after Thanksgiving this year, so rent-a-patsies are still available.
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by NoleThruandThru on Jul 26, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions
2014 Kickoff Classic in Atlanta
Not sure if you guys are aware but in 2013 the Kickoff Classic will be 2 games, Bama/VT ans NC State/Tennessee. The 2014 game is going to be 3 games. So far its Bama vs. an unknown ACC team and UGA/GTech. As long as they are breaking the Thanksgiving tradition, which goes back about 50 years, maybe this is when we should do the same and capitalize off of the increased exposure and revenue that comes with a bowl-type atmosphere. Im not crazy about opening with a re-vamped UF anymore than the next guy, but by playing early they face the same diasadvantage we do.
by Widespread Seminole on Jul 26, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions
Not unless UF is willing to give up a home game as well.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 26, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
A) Not
2) Gonna
D) Happen
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Jul 26, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Only way
Is if Georgia finally does pull out of the Cocktail Party. UF still wants to play a yearly game in Jacksonville and I could see them moving UF-FSU to Jax for a two year trial.
by Jonathan Loesche on Jul 26, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU is done playing in Jax.
Don’t see that happening again.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 26, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The ACC media coverage seems to be severely lacking compared to the SEC.
I was subjected to hours of SEC coaches addressing the media. Haven’t seen any ACC.
I guess winning 5 straight national titles will do that for a conference.
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Stoops is asking Korey to come back and help coach the safeties.
by Cjones6121 on Jul 26, 2011 8:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I didnt get it at first, but now I do
its like in the Giver, except the old man is Mangum, who will pass on the awful tackling to Justin Bright so guys like Los can play without the pain of losing to the gators year after year
good coaching is complicated…
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by NorthernHaze on Jul 26, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
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