Noles News 07.07.11
Lots of news for you today from Florida State and beyond.
FSU
Nick O'Leary has been killing 7-on-7s. His body control is exceptional. Rashad Greene has also been doing well. Kelvin Benjamin is coming along a bit slower, as is Karlos Williams.
Directors' Cup Standings and UVA's, ACC's Point Efficiency - Streaking The Lawn
A look at the athletic department's spending and how this translates into Directors' Cup points for Virginia and the rest of the ACC
Rivals
Welcome New Recruits to the U! No Prima Donnas Here! | Eye of the Hurricane
This is a hilarious article making excuses for Al Golden's recruiting. Then again, Miami is recruiting like a small private school should be expected to recruit. Tons of projects and questionable commitments that have athleticism and shouldn't see meaningful playing time until the 2014 season. What the Canes need is a bunch of guys to play immediately, given that they lose 12 starters and 7 key contributors and won't be able to replace them as a full third of the 2010 recruiting class that would have been counted on to replace them is now gone after only a year in school.
2011 Season Preview: Potential, Production And The Miami Hurricanes - SBNation.com
There has been a decent amount of negativity surrounding the Miami program recently, from the disappointing 2010 season, to a coaching hire that failed to generate buzz, to arrests and transfers. The vaunted 2008 recruiting class did not bring 12-win seasons to Coral Gables, the depth isn't where it is supposed to be, and financial support appears lacking. This program is not where it was 10 years ago or 20 years ago, and looking at the program, and college football's power structure, it is difficult to imagine the 'Canes returning to those loftiest of lofty heights anytime soon. However...
...look at that 2008 class again. It still produced Marcus Forston, Sean Spence, Travis Benjamin, Ramon Buchanan, Vaughn Telemaque, Micanor Regis, Brandon Washington and, of course, Jacory Harris. Within the framework of the ACC, Miami is still at the top end in terms of athleticism and potential. Al Golden may be seen by some as a conservative hire, but if he manages to wring out more of the potential in some of these players than they have as yet uncovered, Miami is still a potential ACC champion and Top 10 program.
The schedule is, to say the least, trying. The 'Canes open on Labor Day at Maryland, then host Ohio State and Kansas State before the ACC schedule truly gets rolling. Their divisional fate will be decided by trips to Virginia Tech and North Carolina in mid-October, and by the time they reach the @FlaSt-USF-BC portion of their schedule, they could be anywhere between about 8-1 and 3-6. I've talked myself into this team to a certain degree, and I see them winning at least eight games when all is said and done, but 'potential' is the watchword. If we're still talking about potential, and not production, in November, then something went awry.
I think Bill needed to mention that Miami has a ridiculous amount of seniors on its team (21); 12 of which are starters and another 6-7 of which are key contributors. This will be the best Miami team in the next three years.
Indoor Practice Facility Will Be Ready By August - From The Rumble Seat
Michael McAdoo Takes His Case to Court [UPDATED] " Tar Heel Fan
Again, McAdoo’s (and UNC’s) argument was never that violations did not occur; rather that the punishment did not fit the crimes. Armed with evidence that the NCAA disregarded its own precedents in previous academic misconduct cases and that the work on the Swahili paper and even the citations were his own and were merely reformatted by Wiley, a sympathetic judge (or especially a jury, since the action requests a jury trial) may look on McAdoo’s case favorably. Then again, the NCAA has deep pockets and time on its side since they don’t care if it takes 3-5 years to resolve these issues in court while the clock is ticking on McAdoo’s career. Again, what happens in Judge Hudson’s courtroom next week will certainly be intriguing.
Let's see how this goes.
General CFB
In The Bleachers Podcast: Laura McKeeman Talks A Little Recruiting
2011 Season Preview: Power Vacuums, Nineties Hip Hop And The South Florida Bulls - SBNation.com
I think USF's a year away. In this year's publication, Phil Steele picked the Bulls to surprise and finish tied for first in the Big East, but I just can't really see it. They had some fumbles luck, and their YPP margin suggests they were a bit lucky in regard to efficiency. They do not return a lofty level of experience, especially on offense, and ... I just don't see it. I see a young offense lacking in receiving threats and a confusing front seven on defense, but I see a seventh consecutive bowl game, seven or eight wins and a wonderfully experienced team that heads into 2012 with big expectations.That said ... if they survive a brutal mid-season stretch that sees them play one home game in 55 days, and if they reach the home stretch with a chance at the conference title, all bets are off. But good luck with that. After a likely 3-1 start, the Bulls are staring at an @Pitt-@UConn-Cincy-@Rutgers-@Syracuse stretch. That's five potential bowl teams, four away from home. That they finish with home games against Miami, Louisville, and West Virginia is nice, but their title hopes will probably be dead by then. The pieces in place should make for another up-and-down season, but the pieces that will still be in place next year are intriguing.
Pre-Snap Read: #58 Southern Miss
Best team in Conference USA? One of the best non-B.C.S. conference teams in the country? A threat to go undefeated? Don’t be ridiculous. Southern Mississippi will be a 10-win contender once it stops giving up 50 points at home to some of Conference USA’s worst; until then, this is where Southern Miss is going to fall – about eight wins, with seven just as likely as nine, unbelievably potent offensively but still a threat to lose just as many games as it wins as long as the defense remains three steps behind this offense. Perhaps that’s harsh… it is harsh, actually, but that is the message Fedora and this team must accept and address as the Golden Eagles head into September – because this team, as some of those laudatory comments above illustrate, is definitely good enough to unseat U.C.F. and take home the East division. And it’s largely because of this offense, which is superb. There are some question marks: the offensive line needs to be rebuilt, as does the receiver corps, by and large, but I have no doubt that Fedora is going to again have a record-breaking offense in the cards. But how will this team take to the 4-2-5? It’s a nice thought, this change, but the addition of new coordinators and a new scheme is not always conducive to immediate success. Can the Golden Eagles get better and better defensively as the year moves along? No doubt, and that’s probably what’s going to occur. But for now, there are other conference foes with fewer questions, who seem farther along on both sides of the ball – not quite on par offensively, but far ahead defensively – as we look towards the fall. If any team is going to leapfrog the Knights and take the East, it’s going to be Southern Miss. But I don’t see it happening.
Illinois is going back to bowl play in 2011, if only because it would take an incredibly inept coaching job to not get the Illini back to at least six wins. Not that such rationale is the only reason why Illinois is gone to win at least six games: I see a talented sophomore quarterback, a nice offensive line, a young and talented receiver corps and a strong secondary, not to mention two standout coordinators worth their weight in gold. But then I come back to two things: one is history, as for nearly 20 years, Illinois has been unable to string together at least two successful seasons; the other is Ron Zook, who has been inconsistent at best, to put it mildly. The one constant throughout the last half-decade of Illinois football has been Zook, meaning players and assistants come and go but he has been the defining force behind this program’s inability to reach out and grab a spot in the top half of the Big Ten. My take in less than 30 words: the Illini should win at least eight, they’ll probably win seven, and six or less should lead the program to make a coaching move on Nov. 27. The team is good enough to be a very realistic challenger for the Big Ten crown, but I don’t have enough confidence to go that far. Instead, put me in the camp of 7-5, thanks to the combination of the above positive factors and eight home games — even Ron Zook could win seven games in 2011. Of course, perhaps only Zook could take this team, these great coordinators and this schedule and win only seven games. Perhaps I’m far less bullish on the Illini than most, but I do remember very well the times that Zook was supposed to win but didn’t, held every advantage but still disappointed, had all the pieces to the puzzle but still couldn’t put it together.
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UNC Violations
I live in Eastern Carolina (and hopefully for not much longer) so I work with and live around a bunch of NC State fans/grads. Some of them talked about having insider knowledge to UNC getting the death penalty. While I don’t necessarily believe anything that comes out of the mouths of these uneducated hoodlums (it’s ok, they’re my friends), what are we looking at being the punishment for the tar heels? Something along the lines of USC?
LOL
I live in Raleigh….UNC will not be getting the death penalty…I don’t think it’ll be quite as bad as USC tbh…
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It *should* be worse.
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by tricknole on Jul 7, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think the NCAA included "Loss of Institutional Control" as an enumerated violation
Like they did with USC, so I thought that they wouldn’t get hit that hard.
They didn't
The thing is, while the scope is incredible and lots of lines run through Blake, nobody can definitively connect the lines to Butch or the administration. There’s another big difference between UNC and USC: while USC denied and fought the NCAA every step of the way, UNC is doing all of the right things.
The pattern of the NCAA Infractions committee is clear: the less you hassle the NCAA on the front end, the less you get hassled on the back end, so UNC’s total cooperation is going to help them mitigate the worst of it.
I expect at least a “show-cause” penalty for Blake (blacklisted by the NCAA-any school that hires him instantly faces NCAA infractions), lots of players made permanently ineligible, wins vacated, and probation. Scholly reductions are also very possible.
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probation and scholly reductions are what I'm expecting...which UNC can overcome
all the vacated wins, ineligible players stuff holds very little weight IMO…fans are not going to un-remember that crazy win over Tenneesee in the bowl game last year….
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The UNC line is "Blake lied to us by telling us he quit working for Wichard when he hadn't"
Unless UNC can find some bit of evidence to show that Davis knew this wasn’t the case, he’s gonna get the benefit of the doubt. As much as some boosters may hate Davis, the AD’s current story depends on Blake taking all of the blame. If they go ahead and fire Butch now, it will look like there’s much more to the scandal than they’re telling the NCAA. That’s never good.
Much better to take their lumps now and then fire Davis in a couple of years for not winning enough when any upcoming scholly reductions hamper his team. The same end will be acheieved without drawing more NCAA scrutiny.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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They don't want to fire Davis now...nor will they in the future unless he brings more scrutiny to the program.
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Are you sure about that?
I have read that the booster are split on firing him, with many of the Real influenctal boosters wanting him gone. Of course this is just message board stuff so who knows.
I compare it to Michigan. The older boosters don’t like the UNC name blemished at all, they’re about the reputation.
by FSU on Jul 8, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it comes down to W's.
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That’s what the more “realistic” younger supporters care about. THe whole, break a few eggs to make an omelet thing.
by FSU on Jul 8, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
And I guess W's depend on how badly the NCAA hammers them.
Everybody has a price.
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or deal with legal stuff that may ensue depending on how his contract reads. Butch insulated himself well
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No they aren't.
I keep seeing people say this and it just doesn’t line up with reality.
UNC is doing all of the right things.
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Infractions committee...
With regards to the comment that “the less you hassle the NCAA on the front end, the less you get hassles on the back end,” do they really operate this way? While I’m sure they would like schools believe that, weren’t we very open and forthcoming (with the academic cheating scandal), and didn’t they still administer a rather harsh punishment?
by eslerman on Jul 7, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We were, but you're conveniently forgetting a few details
A) We screwed up BIG TIME. Us not getting penalized simply wasn’t going to happen,
2) Despite our complaints at the time, FSU still got off pretty light for what we did, especially in light of the penalties that have come down for other schools since that time. Our athetic department staff absolutely did a monumental job of handling the situation by acting decisively to solve the problems and coming completely clean to the NCAA. However,
D) These manful efforts were nearly frustrated at the 11th hour by an idiotic and pointless appeal by FSU at the behest of a petulant coach that FSU simply could not say no to.
Essentially, we asked the NCAA to treat Bobby Bowden’s football team differently from every other team that had ever played ineligible players before. And why? Because Bowden didn’t want to lose the all-time football wins record to Joe Paterno once and for all. TK didn’t have the spine to tell him that his chase was really over, so instead he sent the lawyers out to argue against an NCAA penalty that is reasonable, well-known, long-established and consistently applied.
Predictably, the NCAA did the equivalent of laughing in our faces and sending us back to bed without our supper.
We didn’t just hassle the NCAA, we completely wasted their time over stupid crap because we didn’t want to hurt our coach’s feelings.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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You act like it wasn't Wetherell's idea to appeal.
And you also make it sound like the NCAA nearly crushed us because of the appeal.
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The penalty didn't get worse because of the appeal, but it was still stupid and petty, and the NCAA treated it as such.
Like I already said, the heavy lifting was done by a wonderful athletic department effort. Like many people were, I believed the FSU line about “unprecendented penalties”-until I actually read what the penalties actually were. They were rather pedestrian and entirely reasonable considering the nature of our violations.
And just how close were TK and Bowden at the time? Make no mistake: TK went way out on a limb for Bobby on this. FSU was facing a potential $50 million funding shortfall thanks to the recession, yet as of April 2009, the legal costs associated with the case and subsequent appeal had already cost more than $200,000. That’s a lot of money to pay when you’re already broke, yet Wetherell did it because Bowden was his friend.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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Can you name many schools that did NOT appeal their NCAA sanctions in any manner?
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UConn Basketball earlier this year, for one.
Also Colorado did not appeal the NCAA sanctions handed down in ’07.
Admittedly it’s rare. But not unheard of.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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I love the smell of Miami being napalmed in the morning.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 7, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
I think that article has a great premise.
Because, ya know, no Miami team with prima donnas has ever been successful…
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Those were hard working prima donnas, though.
The more recent ones are just plain old pima donnas.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
That's fine,
but my reaction is, man-up, demand the talent work hard and earn their accolades, not clean house, go for a bunch of questionable talent/high character kids and hope they miraculously all have talent….
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
the Golden standard of recruiting
is equivalent to a 30 year old man picking up a 16 year old girlfriend under the guise of “hey man, if you cant see her insane hotness potential in a few years, you are missing out”. which makes him a pedophile. and i’ll be damned if FSU is gonna sit here and get beaten by a pervert.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by nole07 on Jul 7, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
sure,
Think that’s sound reasoning.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I like the way you
worked the joke/analogy all the way to the end. Way to go! Run through the goal line for the score!
and i’ll be damned if FSU is gonna sit here and get beaten by a pervert.
Wow, who pissed in your corn flakes this morning?
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
dammit
i hate it when the reference gets lost. i thought i did a pretty good job with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-fQ32qz4d0
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I knew you weren't actually calling HGolden a pervert.
Just came across pretty harsh early in the morning. If you could how I typed it, you’d know.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait
is equivalent to a 30 year old man picking up a 16 year old girlfriend
this is perverted?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 7, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Signed, DRusso
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by tricknole on Jul 7, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
was is Russo?
and was the girl a recruit’s sister?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Nope....mine was Judge Judy.
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Do you know how much that shedevil makes?
Its one of the most ridiculous things Ive ever seen.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
I've seen the numbers and yes its very ridiculous
She was making somewhere around $50mil a season before a lucrative contract extension a couple years ago. Simply astonishing how ridiculously hard she’s ballin
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
by polknole on Jul 7, 2011 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Springer would've been more fun.
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She's a b**ch
With a capital " C"
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
I did.....and I did.
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Best Family Guy line ever....and that's saying something :)
I love the 16 year old girlfriend analogy, by the way.
Most of these kids were signed at Golden's camps.
I’m hoping he’s seeing something that alot people are overlooking. I’m holding out hope that most of these kids ratings will rise during their senoir year.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely, the unranked and 2* guys will get bumped up to 3* status.
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by tricknole on Jul 7, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
hahaha trick ur on a roll this morning!
by newdynastynole on Jul 7, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the 3* guys?
I’ll take a HIGH 3 with a good work ethic over a low 4 with entitlement issues anyday. ** DO NOT READ AS: I’D RATHER HAVE LOW STAR GUYS THAN BLUE CHIPPERS.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
As of now I don't know.
Those guys’ offer sheets aren’t that good at this point. Some of them look like pretty solid prospects (not great, solid) but it’s hard to project them getting a bump without a big senior year and reeling in some big time offers.
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We don't really know enough about Golden as a recruiter to
say with certainty that he has an eye for picking undiscovered talent – like you can say about – Saban or Fisher or B. Davis
Exactly.
What I’d be concerned about if I were a Cane fan would be that Golden is looking at some of these undiscovered guys through Temple goggles (like beer goggles near closing time) – i.e. they’d be great grabs if you were Temple but at Miami – they’re subpar/fillers/depth guys at best.
by GraniteStateNoles on Jul 7, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i don't question that he is a good coach/recruiter.
but i do question wether he is a big time coach/recruiter.
Miami fans want to act like it is a certainty that he is proven as both; while a lot of FSU fans want to act like its a proven fact that he isn’t.
Bottom line is we don’t know yet. But so far it ain’t lookin good.
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by truecolors on Jul 8, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
REC.
I couldn’t have said it any better.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Busted.
Except the last sentence.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The last scentence is just as true as the others...
If the shoe were on the other foot right now I’d be very nervous.
"Don't bite your friends" - DJ Lancerock
And I have no problem with taking some 3* guys that the services flat out missed.
I’d just be pissed if it was 2/3 of our class.
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by tricknole on Jul 7, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dont most of the High players go to UF these days?
by AntiCommie on Jul 7, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was going to rec this but then recalled like 6 UM guys being suspended for it this spring. haha
I’ll rec anyways.
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Looks like Golden is convinced that the unranked/2* kids he can get in Fla
are so much better than the unranked/2* kids that played in the MAC, that he can’t resist signing them.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 7, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Possible?
Last year, I seem to remember some people questioning DJ Eliot’s definition of the ideal DE. Didn’t he say something like 250 lbs, and people asked, “Does he really know the type of athlete FSU can get (that Rice couldn’t)?”
being a MAC coach
he may not understand what kind of talented depth it takes, top to bottom, to compete with FSU and uf. Not that he could do much about it anyway.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 7, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ill bet he knows now.
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
He will find out in a couple months....
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DJ wasn't asked to be THE guy making the call. And was surrounded by staff who could clue him in QUICKLY
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Could certainly happen.
Just think it is improbable for them to skyrocket. And while some of them may be better than their rankings, I could see scouting services thinking, “Golden thinks they are talented, for MAC players…”
I think a “Lemme see what this season looks like and especially the season after before I can say, yeah he’s on Jimmy Johnson’s level” is probably the safest bet.
I’ve seriously have seen someone say he’s the next Jimmy Johnson. What the hell.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
He has consulted with JJ quite a bit, from what I hear.
There are alot of similarities between the two, especially the hair. ; )
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
hahhaa.
they do both have some majestic hair don’t they?
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He should call Bobby Bowden too,
‘cause Johnson and Bowden are so plugged into CFB in the 2010’s.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 7, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So in 4 years after UM doesnt give Golden a real chance and lets him go.
do we get another former UM coach on Survivor? Cant wait!
Outwit, Outplay, Outlast….hopefully for your Golden boy he is outwitting other colleges with these project recruits. Hopefully for him they do out play their potential. Otherwise Golden is not going to outlast most of these scrubs he is recruiting.
Yep, thought that up all by myself!
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
Jimmy Johnson?
What does Golden calling JJ about having a small “unit” have to do with football?
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Four Words: The Extenze Fiesta Bowl
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Well, he IS coaching at "DA U"
That’s certainly enough evidence for me on this summer’s eve.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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by Dogrel on Jul 8, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm rec'n this
For the “summer’s eve” reference in Golden being a douche. Well played.
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
I hope for his sake that he's not operating with an "I'm still at Temple" mindset.
Otherwise, he won’t believe how long a short tenure at Miami can feel like.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
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My reaction is...
That it’s laughable to even suggest it could be possible to be a prima donna while playing for a D1 team with facilities equivalent to a HS athletic department. Not to mention that after a week of lifting and practicing, said prima donna has to take a bus ride to a half-empty, leased stadium 20+ miles away.
by FOshizzleFSU on Jul 7, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
its harder out here for a pimp
or so i am told
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Damn, thats depressing. Rec'd
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
Al Golden's idea to hold on-campus football camps to evaluate high school players up close before making decisions to offer is a pretty revolutionary concept. I expect other teams to latch onto this strategy very quickly.
He may be taking way too many reaches, but you’ve got to give it to him. He’s an innovator.
This is a joke right?
My faith in the human race counts on this being a joke.
by stop drop & nole on Jul 7, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You didn't actually read the WHOLE article, did you?
It was a bunch of nonsense.
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Death penalty will never happen again
Too much havoc on the other teams and television contracts. I would imagine something along the lines of USC. Could be less, since Butch Davis doesn’t seem to be implicated and UNC has the aura of having cooperated, unlike USC. On the other hand, USC didn’t have the actual agent figures employed as a coach, and didn’t have the academic scandal factor. I suspect it will be slightly less than what USC got.
It’s not supposed to factor in, but I suspect teams get hit harder if they appear to have prospered with their ill-gotten advantage (USC, Miami). UNC has absolutely nothing to show for it’s violations, so I tend to think there is less pressure to crush them.
Some things about that investigation
are a little fishy. One of the NCAA investigator was a UNC alumni that played football there. Butch Davis has no idea what his close friend/one of his coaches is doing? It’s surprising that Butch was not tied to any of this with the reputation he has.
Actual circumstances of the "death penalty" were very, very specific
SMU had already been busted for cheating, thrown off of TV and placed on probation. THEN it was revealed they had lied to the NCAA and had not changed anything at all. Not the Athletic Dept’s policies, not its list of approved and forbidden boosters, not its corrupt patterns of paying players-absolutely nothing.
Of all the things the NCAA doesn’t like-people complaining about officiating, infractions, being hassled a lot-they REALLY don’t like being played for fools. SMU tried to play the NCAA for fools, and that’s why their program got shut down.
I have no doubt the NCAA will not hesitate to use it again on a major school, but it appears the SMU spectacle was deterrent enough for a generation or two. No Division I school since has been stupid enough to play the NCAA for fools.
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Good summary of the SMU situation
But I disagree we’ll ever see it again.
If the NCAA won’t even institute a TV ban anymore because of the ripple effect it has on other teams and conferences, they certainly won’t level a death penalty.
That said, I could see them levelling scholarship reductions so severe as to reduce a team to nearly walk-ons. I could see them saying, “here, have a few 2-win seasons, see how that treats you.” The death penalty in all but name.
by LouC on Jul 7, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
very good point
i see the same thing – they can still play, but give them the uber-USC treatment. the school still plays, and people get to watch them embarrass themselves on national television every now and then, while the NCAA gains legitimacy and loses nothing.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
right
Death Penalty is the nuclear bomb of sports. It affects waaay too much. You could make an argument it set the path for the dissolution of the SWC, creation of the Big 12 and eventually the reason why Texas will be independent in the future
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
but, as with the nuclear bomb
the NCAA has to have the credible threat in its arsenal. if nobody believes they will use it, it loses its power of deterrence. nobody wants to use a nuke, but having the ability (and demonstrated willingness) to do it creates the desired effect.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Just wait-it'll happen again.
The problem with thinking that nobody’s ever gonna do something stupid again is that every new generation’s just dumb enough to have to learn those lessons for themselves. All it takes is a university athletic dept led by people who don’t remember why something that happened in the first place, and an incoming NCAA infractions committee chair who wants to show that (s)he’s the new sheriff in town.
The last time it happened in D1 before SMU was with Kentucky basketball in the early 50s, so assuming a periodic interval of about 30-35 years, I’d say we’re due for one in the next 10-15 years.
As far as the aftermath, SMU was a little different from earlier death penalties in that they were a small school anyway. They didn’t have the alumni base of a Texas, Nebraska or Oklahoma-they literally HAD to cheat to keep up with the SWC’s Joneses. Once that went away, there was no fooling anyone anymore.
That’s not unique to SMU, but most major football schools will generally thrive more than they did.
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What if USC/OSU/UNC get hammered again while on probation for getting hammered a first time?
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If the NCAA hits a team so hard it's like a team of walk-ons, the school may have to cancel its season.
That’s what SMU had to do.
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most major programs have played the NCAA for toothless old hags, though.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 7, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Which member schools have done it like you say?
Auburn’s got an NCAA investigation ongoing-that’s why you don’t hear anything.
Tennessee’s got one ongoing-that’s why you don’t hear anything.
Oregon’s got one ongoing-that’s why you don’t hear anything.
UNC’s bent over and grabbed their ankles,
OSU’s bent over and grabbed their ankles,
We bent over and grabbed our ankles,
USC fired their old AD-the new AD’s assumed the position,
Where are the SMUs of today?
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It may take forever… eventually though they all get spanked
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait,USF is supposed to be good in 2012?
Interesting
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jul 7, 2011 9:36 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
they must be drinking the same koolaid as that Miami writer
their entire QB corps is awful, and they arent exactly loaded with talent otherwise.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
It's July
The water in everybody’s coolers tastes like Kool-Aid in July.
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possible to go into more detail on our freshmen?
like what has benjamin and williams been struggling with? has it been mental or physical, etc? based on their performances so far, how much PT do you see some of these guys having?
I am interested in that as well, also,
how much time, if any, are the coaches allowed to interact with the players right now?
I think none right now.
Don’t even think strength staff is allowed to yet. I think these are player run passing drills. Could be wrong though.
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I thought weight staff was really the only ones who could have contact at this time.
I remember reading articles in the past where Jost and company were talking to the players and giving them exercise information. It was the informal way the coaching staff was able to keep tabs on who was working hard and who wasn’t.
Yep-it's also why having a good S&C coach is so critical to a modern program.
He’s the face of the Program that the kids get to see for the 6 months of the year when they’re out of pocket.
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That Miami article is hilarious
It’s pretty pathetic when you have to start lauding the heart of the your recruits, when they have yet to even put on a uniform for you. Don’t get me wrong, I can understand the need to dins the silver lining, but really?
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I read:
Here is what I have to say just limiting my thoughts on Al Golden’s apparent recruiting and coaching strategy: anyone who doesn’t see that Al Golden is a genius has never played on a sports team before.
And then I stopped reading. I’m assuming the rest of the article is about the Miami recruits having elite ankles.
This is really catching on.
I’m assuming the rest of the article is about the Miami recruits having elite ankles.
Love it.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 7, 2011 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair to Miami
Didn’t they land this guy?:

I mean, looks at those ankles: ELITE
Wait did he already transfer? I remember him having trouble with his dad not wanting him to go so far for school. Think he’s a bit of a control freak or something.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Are you sure you aren't thinking of this guy?
by paperjames on Jul 7, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mercury Morris was a gifted runner due to...
his low center of gravity… he was always trying to snort the yard markers.
by NoleSoulPole on Jul 7, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bwahahahaha!
I was a huge ’Phins fan back in those days and “always trying to snort the yard markers” just forced my tea through my nose!
its actually about them not being elite at anything :)
by newdynastynole on Jul 7, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
well, except for intagnibles...
Because when I’m scouting high school talent, I don’t want the kid that can dominate, but rather the kid who’s really trying his best to compete. If all Miami cares about is effort, there are some slow white kids playing for Lake Mary that would love a scholorship to the U…
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Maybe they'll have a whole team of Lion Hearted Rudy Ruettigers.
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the kid who’s really trying his best to compete. If all Miami cares about is effort, there are some slow white kids
we have a former Heisman candidate who fits that description, maybe he can coach Miami’s DEs
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
She's just not a very good writer.
It drags on and on. Very rag tag. Hard to really take anything she says seriously.
With a name like Jimbo, he can't be wrong.
I don't know what you mean
anyone who doesn’t see that Al Golden is a genius has never played on a sports team before.
followed by, two sentences later:
Equally as important, they have never played on a team.
Also important in this dissertation, in case you missed it, is that one needs to have played on a team, and been a team player in an exhibition of teamwork among a collection of athletes working together, in a unified manner, towards one goal. What she forgot to mention was that, they don’t need any prima donna ankles. Just average ankles that work hard to be a joint where the foot and leg meet. A real team.
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by Sir Lawrence J on Jul 7, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
She ACTUALLY downplayed signing a recruit because they "don't have that U swag"
Can’t get much more #Facepalm then that…
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Ok, I have to look, now.
Who wrote this?
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That made me have to look.
She sounds alot like Chris Matthews.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
you mean like blaming a wife for her husband's...indiscretions?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
More like
getting that tingle up her leg thinking about Golden.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
that makes nooooo sense
lets say, for example, I played competitive junior co-ed water polo as a child. how would that help me see Goldens genius?!
"BUT DA U GOT HELLA SWAG! WEZ GAN BE A TEEM N ACT AZ ONE!
ohhh, I see. We all know that UM is going to play unselfish team-ball, based on…what exactly?
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by Dogrel on Jul 7, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
been think Weird Al should definitely parody this song:
Why are there so many…
Canes who are retards…
and why bring in un-ranked guys?…
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 11, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I just really thought the article was satire the whole time
and then I saw the site and…is it really supposed to be a serious contribution and I missed it…or is it satire – sarcastic humor that everyone else is missing…I guess I am wrong
If Cane Res is around...
I’d like to know – is that article indicative of Miami fans in general? Because…wow, is that girl drinking some serious Goldenaide, and is setting herself up for disappointment.
I just remember similar sentiments around FSU message boards circa 2006…
Honestly, I live in GA. I don't get to talk to many UM fans.
I think people are trying too hard to see the best in him, understandably. Like I’ve said before, I like what I’ve seen so far, but I’m still in “wait and see” mode. I like what he did last recruiting cycle in a very small windaow of time. I like what he’s doing to restore the brand. I think the 4 & 5*’s are the bricks of any great team, but the guys who aren’t going pro, who work their asses off on Saturdays and in practice are the mortar that holds it all together.
My final judgement on Golden will be withheld until I see the product on the field.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
See, the further away from Miami-Dade you live,
the more rational of a fan you become apparently. Because, it is a cluster bomb of hopeful articles coming out in south Florida right now, with almost no one questioning if it was a good hire, if he is doing the right thing, what the future of the program is, etc…
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I have to admit, though. From the opening press conference,
my gut feeling about the guy has been good.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
That was probably you just getting gassy
when they named him head coach. =).
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, the initial high of the Gruden talk had worn off, and reality had set in.
I didn’t want Gruden. I saw another Charlie Weiss. A football “genius” who couldn’t coach green college kids. I thought the Golden hire was a solid hire.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Charlie Weiss. A football "genius" who couldn’t coach green college kids.
this is a weed reference, isnt it?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by nole07 on Jul 7, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes and No
With Gruden the issue would be dealing with college kids in terms of crushing them. 17-22 year olds aren’t 23-35 year olds. He’s a mean dude, and he broke the spirits and confidence of adults, hate to see what he’d have done to a 17 year old after a few errant passes during a Tuesday.
As for Weis, I like him. I think it is less about coaching “green college kids” as an issue, more the guy couldn’t handle the entire package, college or pro. We saw the same with Romeo Crenell when he was coaching the Browns. Solid defensive mind but neither had “the process” down when it came to running an entire team. For Weis that meant recruiting, alumni goodwill, defensive hires and the like.
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by InTheBleachers on Jul 7, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Those are some pretty BIG pieces....
…Hope they have strong backs.
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the bar was set pretty low, so most people would have impressed
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I know this sounds silly, now.
But the Golden hiring this past offseason was a safer hire than the Jimbo Fisher was when FSU signed him as HCIW. Fisher worked out, so far, but that could have been a disaster.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Because Golden had previous HC experience?
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban
Yep.
It’s always a risk when hiring a coordinator. For every Jimbo, there’s a ton of Shannons.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah but
Golden HC at Temple>Fisher OC at SEC Championship team?
that’s debatable.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
One has a track record as a Head Coach (even if it is the MAC).
The other has no experience running a whole team, kissing babies, shouldering ALL the responsibilty for the least shortcomings, keeping agents away from kids, keeping up with grades and attendence, just generally being the face of the program.
The difference between being a coordinator and HC id like going from high school player to college. It’s the same game, but on a whole other level.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, Charlie Weis was a Super Bowl winning OC.
How was he as a head coach?
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Horrible comparison
The NFL and college are two different animals.
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So is running a unit
and running a team. That’s the point.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
OC at an elite school has to deal with a lot.
Plus he was under Saban who is very good, well minus the media, at the things you pointed out.
The other has no experience running a whole team, kissing babies, shouldering ALL the responsibilty for the least shortcomings, keeping agents away from kids, keeping up with grades and attendence, just generally being the face of the program.
Saban is very good at these things including having a large support staff to make sure things run smoothly (again not so much media because he clearly does not give a crap about that). Don’t think it was a leap in logic to expect Fisher to operate the same way.
Also, Not exactly like anybody gives a crap about Temple. Seriously (which you kinda conceded). A team like that got mentioned more nationally in the month surrounding Al Golden’s hiring than they did the previous 5 years. Basically, face of a program at Temple, even relevant experience=meh. The game in South Florida with you fanatical cane fans is different. Completely different set of expectations, time table, media coverage, etc.
Don’t get me wrong, Fisher had growing pains and may still have some but to think that he was a more risky hire, with 3 years of on the job training to evaluate how to fix things/do things his own way, doesn’t add up to me.
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Saban gave Fisher the institutional experience
but he got his media chops from one of the best ever, Bobby Bowden. Bobby could charm a crowd of Gator fans, given the time and a fair shot.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Yeah,
Fisher restricts the media access, and is uber uptight about it but he relates to the media a hell of a lot better than Saban. Saban is such a damn robot. Kinda scary.
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We needed someone smart enough to know what was wrong and how to fix it.
Not some pedestrian HC who had hit his ceiling somewhere else and was ready to move on to us.
So did miami.
Fisher had all the earmarks of a dynamic, energetic, and smart change agent. Golden… no so much.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 7, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Football Outsiders
did a little article on this comparing coaching hires from different levels.
Their conclusion was that the sample set was just too small to really have any definitive answers to what is best.
I really think that Golden probably is a good enough coach and good enough recruiter. I just don’t know if he’ll be given the time to show it.
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I'll give you safer.
And a lower ceiling.
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Well, go to
www.miami.rivals.com or www.miami.247sports.com or www.miami.scout.com and you will see that that article is very much indicative of the average Miami fan. Now, there are some that think what Golden’s doing is highly questionable, but they aren’t the majority.
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I think alot of it is that Golden actually comes across like he has a plan in place.
Shannon looked like a deer in the headlights from day one, and I like Shannon. He just wasn’t cut out for the job.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I will agree with this
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
All in favor?
Aye.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I get the optimism.
I don’t get why most of you think his recruiting is so magical or how you can think your class is anything other than average (for an “elite” program).
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I think it's waaaay to early to judge this class.
That goes for all the praise he gets from our fanbase and all the venom spit from others’. This class, and everyone elses, will change alot between now and NSD. Judging based solely on what recruits have to look at right now, I’d say he’s doing a pretty good job. This is a team coming off of a 7-6 season with embarrassing losses to two rivals and an equally embarrassing bowl loss. If we pull off a 9 or 10 win season with a good bowl win, more elite recruits will line up. That’s just the way college football works.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
"9 or 10 win season with a good bowl win"??
Hahahahahaaa…… That is what is known in my field as “a good joke”.
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I could see them getting 9
even 10 with a bowl win. Have to remember Ohio State will be playing with towel boys…
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If you win 10 games and win a Peach-type bowl game, I would think Golden a damn fine coach.
Sure seems like 7 or 8 wins is much more realistic given the schedule, past QB turmoil and a mostly new coaching staff.
But there’s no better time than now to judge the recruiting class you have right now.
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And that "PLAN" is to try medium-hard to hang on to 3rd place in the State.
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Hope he does get in.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 7, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Grades
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It “should” get done but at the wire. Common to have this happen nowadays for 1-2 members of your class.
There’s always usually a cert issue here or there. Summer school classes counting, etc. Usually someone is held a day or two from 1st day of camp because certification gets backed up.
Not that kids don’t make it, more paperwork issues when you’re waiting on kids last classes, or test retakes to post and arrive at NCAA.
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
because he's a good guy or because
you love Clemson?
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol
good guy
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I am rooting for him as well. Guys that go to JUCO often are never heard from again. A very slippery slope...
I wish him the best. I still think he’s a Nole at heart, but his family needed the cash. Or whatever he/they needed that resulted in that selection.
What was that earlier about spin?
FSU pulls in a great recruiting class, and the one that got away was bought? Why does Jimbo take anything less than a 5 star player then? Or is it that all the 5 stars that are not bought and paid for go to FSU?
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Now you're catching on.
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Lifelong FSU fans that look downright miserable at their announcement ceremonies are typically bought and paid for
That has always been my contention.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I am concerned whether his signing bonus will be sufficient to support him for 2 years if he goes JUCO.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Jul 7, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
very nicely played
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Dabo Swinney sent a repo man
to St. Augustine to await further orders. Not sure why, though.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 7, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope he doesn't make it, JUCOs at Itawamba CC (McCloud and Smiley's school)
and joins FSU like he was supposed to all along!!
It would be a damn shame
for the best HS linebacker in the last few years to go to JC.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Jul 7, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Just for one year though
I would accept that. Go to JUCO, graduate after a year and come to FSU as a true sophmore.
nah, that ship has sailed
we have been recruiting as though he is going to Clemson, and apparently the 2013 class of LBs in FL is outstanding. sorry Tony, its Clemson or bust at this point.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
well,
if he really doesn’t make it, there are plenty of schools that will take him after JUCO.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i mean of his final 2 choices, its either Clemson or JUCO right now, since we arent an option
guess i should have phrased it better
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Have a hard time believing we wouldn't take a long look at him after a year of prep school if he still had 5 to play 4 left.
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have you taken a look at the 2013 LBs?
we have plenty of depth, so you take the younger talent.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
This season will tell us about our LB depth.
Not too experienced at MLB. But regardless, if we can take the top LB in the nation and have him for his full eligibility, you’d pass on that?
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if we get the best LB in the nation next year instead, yes
Levenberry looks really, really good, and he is bigger than Steward. i would hate to see us lose a shot at him or any of the other guys next season because we took Steward. and that is not in any way a knock on Steward’s abilities.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Age means nothing when he still has 5 to play 4.
Trick is saying if he goes to prep, which wouldn’t affect his college eligibility at all. As opposed to going JUCO which would cut into his eligibility
i get that
but younger guys have less bad habits to correct. why do MLB teams draft kids out of HS if there isnt a need? because they want to be able to mold them slowly and dont need them right away. maybe its just me, but i would take a HS senior over a prep school kid if they had equal talent, academics notwithstanding.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I disagree
In football, the added year is a positive, not a negative. He won’t be any worse off technique-wise by spending a year in prep school, and he’ll have an extra year of size and strength. If you want an example of older being better, just take a look at our SDE spot.
MLB is a bad comparison. Teams draft kids out of HS because they have to – if a team with the #1 pick passes on the uber-talented 5 tool prospect they want, they’re not going to get another shot at him in 4 years, the team behind them is going to pick him at #2.
agree to disagree
but the SDE is a bad comparison, since it includes a kid with very little experience (i.e. less bad habits) and a JUCO.
and you didnt understand the MLB comparison: its not whether or not to draft one kid when he is 18 or older, its whether to draft the 18 year old or the polished college player in the first round. ATL picked up Gilly because it looks like they are looking to move some of that deep pitching corps sometime in the near future. admittedly, that comparison is closer to JUCO than prep school, but its just my opinion. however, NFL coaches do the same with guys who go to the draft early – conventional wisdom says to take the JR over the SR if they appear to be at the same talent level.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I understand the comparison
I just don’t think it works. You’re comparing, in both your MLB analogy and your NFL analogy, a younger Player A to an older Player B. The discussion we were having, though, is whether you would rather have 18-year old Player A or 19-year-old Player A.
“conventional wisdom says to take the JR over the SR if they appear to be at the same talent level”
My point is that the two players in question, 18-year-old Tony Steward and 19-year-old Tony Steward, will likely not be at the same talent level. The extra year of physical maturity is huge at that age.
and theres the disconnect
i am comparing 19 year old Tony Steward with 18 year old EJ Levenberry (or another of the great class of 2013 LBs). two different players entirely. and i would take a bigger, younger, equally talented Levenberry over Steward after a Clemson commitment and a year of prep school. they would be in the same class, which is apples to apples, hence the draft comparison.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Are you saying that Levenberry = Steward?
Comparing them today? So if you had to play a game tomorrow and plug one of the two into a linebacker spot, you would be equally comfortable with either? Those are strong words – you’re talking about a kid who has not played a snap of his junior season vs. a kid who has graduated HS as a consensus 5* recruit.
If you’re right, then (a) I agree with you, and (b) I hope Jimbo and the gang have rented a house in EJ’s neighborhood for the next couple of years.
not right now, no
i am saying that as a senior prospect, he has the potential to be on the same level as Steward as a senior prospect. no rising JR is even close to his potential as a rising college FR, so comparing them is unfair. have to compare apples to apples.
but Steward would come in with the class of 2012 (5 to play 4) if he went to prep school, 2013 (3 to play 2 or 3) for JUCO. Levenberry is a 2013 kid. if Levenberry is as good as he is said to be (possibly as talented as Steward, but bigger), i would take him every time. and we dont need the depth at the moment, so i would take the younger one.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Comparing apples to apples
no rising JR is even close to his potential as a rising college FR, so comparing them is unfair.
It is unfair. This is exactly my point. Kids mature as they get older. All else being equal, a 19yo with 4 yrs of eligibility > an 18yo with 4 yrs of eligibility.
On the other hand
For an elite prospect like TS, his NFL draft eligibility may end up being more important than his NCAA eligibility, and my understanding is that he would be considered an ’11 kid for NFL purposes regardless. If you want to knock him down a notch b/c he might only have 2 years on campus after prep school, I would get that.
Agree here. If it was possible (which it isn’t unless you’re WF) you would redshirt your class every year.
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
but you get to coach them when you do that
and not have them in transition from HS coach to prep school coach to college coach in 3 years
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
The MLB and college football are not even close to the same thing.
MLB guys draft 18 year old to play in the MLB when they are 22+ for the most part. NCAA football coaches recruit an 18 year old to play when they are 19+. Nowhere near the same thing
dont take it so literally
its a comparison, not a direct parallel
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
They draft high schoolers because quite often they are more talented than college guys.
Not because college guys are harder to train.
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And prep would only make him one year older.
Is one year a big deal at all?
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Not in terms of having to "untrain him from bad habits".
Which is what I was going for but guess I didn’t say.
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If we only land Eligwe this class, you wouldn't want to try and take
Steward, Levenberry, Mathis and McMillian next year?
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Wouldn't Steward come in w/ Eligwe in 2012?
Also, I can’t believe how much time I’m spending thinking about what a 2011 Clemson recruit might do in 2012 if he doesn’t qualify. September needs to hurry up.
Haha, yea, good call.
I don’t care what Steward does but this idea that we wouldn’t be at all interested is ludicrous.
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It has been Bud’s contention that his sources say due to the nature of TS’s recruitment we are finished and would not consider him at this juncture.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Jul 7, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I realize that.
But I think if he went prep and opened things back up that we’d listen. What would you do if you were in the coaches’ shoes? You’d completely ignore the #1 LB in the country?
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Based on how things went down...Yes
If you can be bought off and spur us once then thanks but no thanks we have talented guys waiting to pull the trigger. Don’t want to sound like an cocky punk but you’re either on the train or your not. TS jumped off at the last stop and the Conductor said peace b*tch.
by fsugrizz on Jul 7, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's what everyone on here wants to believe.
I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.
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Nor do I
but in a since it becomes that cut and dry. Events conspired such that TS chose not to come to FSU and Jimbo said fine, thats your wish and you’ll get it.
I guess I'm not sure that's completely accurate.
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I can't imagine we'd say "no" if he wanted on board
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
by then maybe dabo will be gone and he will come to his senses and come to tally
by newdynastynole on Jul 7, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Does his H.S. coach still get to cash that post-dated check if he DOESN'T get in??
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i caught that name you dropped
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Were freshmen jersey numbers and other number changes mentioned in a previous article?
I know Seminoles.com has the changes
Not here iirc
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Off topic or recruiting thread I believe
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
Im sure she didnt even notice this horrible pun, much less the overuse of "and"
Prima donnas and slackers and alleged rapists and rumored pot smokers have all been weeded out.
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by NorFla_Nole on Jul 7, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I didn't realize McKeeman had a bit of a southern accent.
Didn’t expect that from a Pinellas girl.
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UM rumors
I think we should pay more attention to whats going down in South Beach because I heard rumbles that they are setting themselves up to shock a lot of people come signing day. Top prospects like Stefon Diggs are said to already have their sights set on Miami come signing day…
the same UM who was convinced Gruden was their next head coach?
the same ones who thought Jacory Harris was a Heisman candidate?
how about the ones that think “anyone who doesn’t see that Al Golden is a genius has never played on a sports team before”?
they think every star is coming to Miami, they think Miami is going to be a great team going forward, and they think their new coach will be the one to restore their glory days.
and they are almost always wrong about all of those things.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
This guy is a troll…that name pops all over other message boards along with zone3cane or something…do not, and I repeat, do not respond to this trolls comments…we all know that UM is a sinking ship that is getting good, not great players, not FSU or UF quality
by lovemynoles09 on Jul 7, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Troll???
why do I have to be a troll for posting a question about UM??? My brother is zone3cane and he is a Miami fan. So of course he shares information with me. I’m 100% FSU but I don’t take this internet stuff as serious as some of you guys seem to. It’s called a life. This is just a hobby. So when I hear things I ask questions and hopefully someone can give me an answer. Just a question. It’s not like I said UM is the greatest place on earth. I would’ve played football at FSU if I had the chance and didn’t suffer a career ending injury in high school. FSU will probably sign another Top-5 class so in the end I don’t care what other teams do. As long as FSU can keep winning games. This is just summertime water cooler talk… Get over it
Well, glad to have you
And it’s not weird at all that you share a screen name with your brother.
Formerly known as 'stilts'
by BenDNole on Jul 7, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol… I don’t share a screen name he just took a part of my screen name and used it for his Miami board thing. I guess it’s partly because we’re also twins. But yea they called me a troll on Warchant when my brother went over there to flame a little bit. So they banned our names even though I wasn’t even present during the conversation. SMH.. They did an IP address and saw it came from the same computer. But we’re twins so we might live together… But right now I’m in Albany, GA and he’s in Atlanta, GA so I hope they can IP address check that so I can resume my day to day activities and they can free zone3nole… But it’s cool though, maybe I can catch a game at FSU this year and find one of the mods and show them that we’re twins and two different people…
As long as you're twins and two different people and not twins and one one person

Formerly known as 'stilts'
stuck on you
LMAO… that was funny even though ya’ll are killing me right now… But I understand though, I gave this guy who was trolling by the name of RainbowNole the tenth degree every time he showed up on a message board….
I believe 0% of this explanation
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by Marmaduke1 on Jul 7, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wait what?
You are telling me, with a straight face, that you dont believe a questionable story, by an anonymous person from the internet? Shame on you sir, shame on you.
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by Marmaduke1 on Jul 7, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i can color you green, does that count?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
That or the hippo is relieving himself right then and there.
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Smart dude...
I hope you’re that skeptical when looking at the media and our politicians because that would definitely be more important than what goes on inside a message board…
You baffle me sir.
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Sorry, they already have a ton of scrubs committed. Even if they get Diggs and Goldman, etc, their class won’t be as good as FSU’s or UF’s since they have signed all that dead weight
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Agree however you won’t hear cane fans think that….their potential class of 2 5*s 5 4*s and 15 3*s are a num 1 type class
Sidenote they look good for Diggs teammate at RB Wes Brown
by themonsta15 on Jul 7, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bush is looking good, too.
Lucas Thompson says he could commit in August.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 7, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Thompson has some solid offers but just going by his list he isn't a "wow" recruit.
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Your math is fuzzy, monsta
We already have 7 4-star verbals. Also, we’ll sign 30, not 22, so we have room to add more.
I have consistently said that we would sign a class ranked in the zone between #5 and #10 if we stay on track with the quality that we have now. The only way we move into the Top 5 is with some surprising 5-star verbals.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 7, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
A "ton of scrubs" Bud? Really?
First, let’s review how “far behind” Miami is compared to UF. On Rivals, Gators have 0 5-star recruits and 9 4-star recruits (2 have a 5.9 Rivals rating, 7 have a 5.8). Canes have 0 5-star recruits and 7 4-star recruits (1 has a 5.9 Rivals rating, 6 have a 5.8). So Miami is exactly one 5.9 rated recruit and one 5.8 rated recruit behind UF. Then you say “even if they get Diggs and Goldman”, which would essentially erase that differential and actually put Miami ahead, since both are 5-stars, but claim that Miami will still not be as good as UF, even though we have 6 high-3-stars (Rivals rating of 5.7) to UF’s 3 verbals with a 5.7 rating.
I know you hate UM, Bud, but you seem to love the stats, and Miami’s class is nearly identical in quality to UF’s right now, especially since Rivals only looks at the top 25 in your class and we are signing 30.
As for all of our “dead weight”, let’s look at the lowest rates recruits that Miami has, all of the guys below that high-3-star (5.7) ranking. WR Jontavious Carter has no stars right now, but he’s a 3-star on Scout. I’ll give you 0-star TE Brandon Holifield, that one surprised me too, and we are clearly taking a project freshman under the thought that our other TE signee will be a JuCo. With Jimmy Graham displacing Jeremy Shockey, maybe the power forward to TE conversion will work again. I’ll even give you 3-star DB Larry Hope (smallish, 5.6 Rivals rating) and 3-star DE Jake O’Donnell (out-of-stater, 5.5 Rivals rating). But 3-star QB Preston Dewey just made the Elite 11 (I know it’s 24 guys now) and your QB didn’t, and our other QB (rated higher) didn’t. With a good showing at Elite 11, and a solid season/post-season, he could easily jump to 4-star. 3-star QB David Thompson (like Dewey, a 5.6 rating) will probably not report to UM, he will be a high baseball draftee. And I definitely like 3-star WR D’Mauri Jones, a big Lake County kid who just doesn’t get a lot of press outside of Central Florida.
Here’s a thought, if you give it honest consideration. I’ve been following UM football for 25 years as a fan, student, and alum, and Miami has NEVER had 20 verbals by the first week of July. It is absolutely true that we have taken a few verbals before they had built up large offer lists. Holifield, Hope, and O’Donnell mystify me right now. So maybe we’ve jumped the gun a bit on three guys who we could have offered in December. Three guys out of 30, big deal.
But to act as if we are sooooo far behind UF or that we are incapable of signing a great class (when you even admit the possibility that we add Diggs and Goldman) is just a product of your hatred of Miami.
We can discuss this further in February.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 7, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
The issue is that
a lot of the guys UM is offering and accepting verbals from are projects. Guys with measurables and potential. Unfortunately due to RS being a joke of a recruiter he has left the cupboard quite bare for Golden and Golden can’t afford to be taking so many diamond in the rough type players.
I believe that UM will end of with a top 10 class based on sheer numbers whereas UF and FSU will be there because of fewer numbers (UF has to b/c SEC limits it) but overall quality. Miami needs better recruits then potential studs. They need current studs. Like Diggs and Goldman.
#notryingtoflame
I hate Florida...
so it’s just hard for me to give them any type of credit or respect… I look at Miami’s recruiting board and the Gator’s recruiting board and there really isn’t that big of a difference. Florida has some nice D-line recruits but so does Miami. Florida’s linebacker commits don’t scare me. Miami’s linebacker commits are better. Florida has a good running back commit but so does Miami. I hate to give Miami any kudos because then everybody thinks I’m a troll, but I guess it’s cool to give kudos to the Gaytors?? I just don’t get it… It’s still early in the recruiting process. FSU is still running the state but to say Miami is trailing the Gators when clearly they are atleast even is a little far fetched to me. People are always looking for finished products but Virginia Tech never makes a huge splash in recruiting but they still manage a top-10 team. It’s all about Coaching… Al Golden performed a “MIRACLE” in Temple and has the NFL DRAFTED PROSPECTS to prove it. And this is from Temple. I just think the glory days (Tebow Era) are behind them and they will be in for a huge reality check. Everybody gives Charlie Weis all of this credit for being a great offensive coach but I don’t see it. This is the same guy who coached Jimmy Clausen who was suppose to be the next “Golden Boy” and he ended up being very under-developed when he got into the league. Both physically and game-wise… And like I said, I hate the Gators so I hope they fail at everything. I view them as the hated-rivalry while the Canes are more of a friendly-rivalry… But that’s just me…
There’s a big difference. UF has double the really good players and yet has far fewer throwaway types.
20% of Miami’s recruits are in the 247 (4/20)
69% of Florida’s recruits are in the 247 (9/13)
30% of Miami’s recruits are in the Scout 300 (6/20)
69% of Florida’s recruits are in the scout 300 (9/13)
25% of Miami’s recruits are in the Rivals 250 (5/20)
69% of Florida’s recruits are in the Rivals 250 (9/13)
25% of Miami’s recruits are in the ESPNU150 (6/20)
46% of Florida’s recruits are in the ESPNU 150 (6/13)
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 7, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
We’re not about complementing/dogging programs just to do it. We try to call it as it is. When UF was dominating FSU we said so. The FACTS now dictate that we note Miami is not keeping pace with the two big state schools.
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Good point..
But I tend to not look at percentages and just pay attention to the numbers. I usually take rivals and scouts ratings with a grain of salt and lately have relied more on ESPN’s scouting analysis because they seem to be more accurate. The ESPNU 150 have both Miami and Florida having 6 players in the 150 for the 2012 classes. And even rivals has Miami with (7) 4-stars and Florida (9) 4-stars. Of course Miami is expected to sign more players than FSU and Florida so I can’t knock them for having more players at this point even if some of the players are considered “prospects” or “reaches”. I mean we can’t expect them to have 10-12 ESPNU 150 commits at this point in time. But some of their players commited are clearly under-rated by rivals and ESPN and will more than likely see their ratings increase as the year progresses (i.e. QB-Preston Dewey and LB-Keith Brown). Keith Brown isn’t even in the ESPNU 150 but I believe he will be by the time players get re-evaluated. Not saying Miami is even close to FSU because our class is unbelievable at this point. I keep forgetting that these players still have to play their senior seasons. All players will be subject to re-evaluations in a few more months so we have to take all current rankings with a grain of salt anyway. I just hope at the end of the day, Florida tanks in recruiting and tanks on the field. We’ll beat Miami anyway. I just hate the Gates…
My god.
I tend to not look at percentages and just pay attention to the numbers.
This makes sense? Percentages are numbers.
And even rivals has Miami with (7) 4-stars and Florida (9) 4-stars.
You are completely ignoring the 3* and lower kids, which comprise 2/3 of Miami’s class. You Miami people can’t seem to wrap your head around this.
some of their players commited are clearly under-rated by rivals and ESPN
Clearly… What do you have to support such a claim? Have you looked at their list of offers? Not all that impressive.
we have to take all current rankings with a grain of salt anyway.
No, actually you don’t.
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by tricknole on Jul 8, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me break my reasoning down for you...
1st… Go Noles
“I tend to not look at percentages and just pay attention to the numbers”
Percentages fluctuate and can be very misleading. Example ESPN has both Florida and Miami at (6) ESPNU150 recruits. But since Miami has 20 recruits and Florida has 13 the percentage says that Miami is 25% and Florida is 46%. It is still very early in the 2012 recruiting process, so to actually take these numbers “so serious” knowing that all players will be re-evaluated and re-evaluated again before signing day makes no sense. Miami needs more players than FSU or Florida. No matter if they need more 5 stars and 4 stars they still need more players… I don’t care too much about star ratings because in the end you never see a team of 5 stars winning anything. Those 3 star guys and “project” guys are usually the ones that step up and becomethe stars. Not saying that they have any of those at this point because it’s still early and quite frankly I’m still pumped about FSU’s 2011 class. Justin Blackmon and Xavier Rhodes were both 3-stars.. Boise St does pretty well without high rated players and so does Virgina Tech. It’s called coaching… Jimbo & co have great coaching. A great coach trusts his recruiting. Jimbo doesn’t rely on Rivals or ESPN, the players he gets just end up being highly ranked but if he feels a player can play even if he’s overlooked Jimbo is goind after him. Ex. Cameron Erving…
“And even rivals has Miami with (7) 4-stars and Florida (9) 4-stars”
1st off I’m not a Miami person. But nice cheap shot. What is your problem with (3) star guys??? Xavier Rhodes was a three star. 3-star guys are the ones that help win games. Plus you do know that a 3-star player from Florida is usually a lot more talented than 4 and some 5 star players from out-of state. If you stay in state and get those players you usually have a good foundation to build on. Jimbo did the samething.
“Some of their commited players are clearly under-rated”
I do have support for “such a claim”.. Preston Dewey is considered by ESPN as one of the best QB’s in the nation. He lit up camps he was invited to. And Keith Brown is under-rated. But I don’t care because at the end of the day I’m an FSU fan. I just like to use logic and not be brainwashed by other peoples opinions..
And what you mean “you don’t” have to take current rankings with a grain of salt? So you believe every thing rivals tell you? SMH.. Look I don’t care about what Florida and Miami do overall. As long as FSU signs another top class and reloads that’s what I really focus on. I don’t even go to a Miami board or Florida board to even care about what they are doing.. FSU is going to kill em’ anyway..
Percentages fluctuate and can be very misleading.
This is only true if you don’t understand the underlying data, which seems to be the case.
I don’t care too much about star ratings because in the end you never see a team of 5 stars winning anything. Those 3 star guys and "project" guys are usually the ones that step up and becomethe stars.
A team of 5 stars never win anything, because they don’t exist. No one can recruit a team of all 5 stars, but if they could, I guarantee that they would win more often than teams composed of other players. This has been proven on this website and on many others. The higher your star ranking, the higher likelihood that you will be drafted higher, make an AA team, etc… Stars do matter. To say they don’t is ignorant.
Justin Blackmon and Xavier Rhodes were both 3-stars..
Excellent sample size, z.
Boise St does pretty well without high rated players and so does Virgina Tech.
Boise plays a sh!t schedule and VT would be considered “elite” by no one.
Jimbo doesn’t rely on Rivals or ESPN, the players he gets just end up being highly ranked but if he feels a player can play even if he’s overlooked Jimbo is goind after him. Ex. Cameron Erving…
The first half of this is crap. No coach worth his salt is going to rely on Rivals or ESPN to do his evaluations for him, but like I said before, people have shown that those services get it right more than they get it wrong. And of course if Jimbo finds a good player he is going to go after him even if he is overlooked, but nowadays the amount of players that are overlooked is shrinking due to the exposure recruits get compared to even 5-10 years ago.
3-star guys are the ones that help win games.
Yes, 3-star players help you win games. Lots of games if you play in C-USA. But 3-stars are not going to win a championship for you or even the ACC.
Plus you do know that a 3-star player from Florida is usually a lot more talented than 4 and some 5 star players from out-of state.
#CompletelyMadeUpFact
I do have support for "such a claim".. Preston Dewey is considered by ESPN as one of the best QB’s in the nation. He lit up camps he was invited to. And Keith Brown is under-rated.
Preston Dewey is considered a 4 * and #9 QB by ESPN. Good player. Also just one player. The rest of your “support” is personal opinion and holds no weight.
But I don’t care because at the end of the day I’m an FSU fan. I just like to use logic and not be brainwashed by other peoples opinions..
The problem here is you are ignoring logic and facts and just going off of your own intuitions. If you keep doing that and making statements that are not based in fact or backed up by anything solid, you will keep getting hammered on here. No one is forcing you to agree with them, but at least try to see where they are coming from and educate yourself on some of the claims you are making. If you want, check out the links that are in the Ongoing discussion thread. Some like “Why Stars Matter” will be very interesting to you I think.
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by RollNole5 on Jul 8, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair...
But isn’t it a fact that there are alot of overrated players that intentionally go out to different scouting events to get their ratings inflated while some players who don’t have the luxury of going to these places go overlooked and end up being better than perceived. Not saying Miami is hitting on any of those “projects” but we have to assume some gems will come out. I like the fact that Golden wants to re-connect with his in-state pipelines because it only benefits the program in the end. Jimbo Fisher had a 2011 class that was heavily in-state. And yes that class was the number 1 class in the nation but when the first evaluations came out after their “junior” year, most FSU fans knew that many of those players were severely underrated. Karlos was a 4 star. Arrington Jenkins was a 3-star throughout. Derrick Mitchell began as a 3-star which was absurd. Nobody knew about Nile-stample. Keelin Smith still ended up underrated on rivals. Jacob Coker went from a 6’1 195 lb QB with no D-1 offers to being 6’5 210lbs in one year. Devonte Freeman of all people was underrated before his Senior Season. And looking at that fact alone lets me know that in the beginning rankings really don’t matter. Especially Junior year evaluations. It’s easy to say look at the numbers but the numbers are almost always proven wrong after another year goes by. Let me say this to end it… Miami could bomb-out this class or hit a Top-3 signing day and it still wouldn’t matter to me. I just like to put a perspective on things. Jimbo was highly talked about and criticized going into his first year until he made everyone shut-up. Not saying Golden will do the same but I do see the progress and know that he can’t do any worst than Shannon did. As far as the 2012 class goes, they still have work to do but I wouldn’t be surprised if they pull out a very good class in the end. They might not land the number 1 class full of “Day-1” contributors (I really doubt they do) but if you put together a solid class in 2012 and 2013, then that’s the ground work… Jimbo landed the number 1 class in the nation but hardly anybody from that class is ready to contribute “Day-1” so I wouldn’t unfairly expect the same from Miami’s class….. Wow that was a lot….
RollNole5...
I understand your point. Facts are facts. I guess I tend to look at things in more of a “Future” light as far as what it could be instead of just paying attention to the hear and now. I did the same thing in regards to FSU’s situation when people were taking sides on Keeping Bobby Bowden or letting Jimbo takeover. I was cool with letting Jimbo takeover because I saw how he developed the offense and imagined how he could use that energy and turn the whole team around on both sides of the ball. Of course some people wasn’t buying it but I do see your point… It’s better to wait and just let things play-out. But I still hate the Gators and I really think they’re headed into the “Jeff Bowden” Era of Football in which they might land top classes but fail to do anything productive with them on the field..
to actually take these numbers "so serious" knowing that all players will be re-evaluated and re-evaluated again before signing day makes no sense.
They’re a good indicator of what to expect of your class. And better classes produce better players. And I think it’s accepted that better players produce better teams. Obviously it’s not how the classes will turn out, but would you expect a class with a 3.50 star average through 13 commitments to maintain something close to finish out the class? Would you expect a class with a 2.85 average through 20 to maintain something close, too? Neither seems likely to increase/decrease by .50 stars by the time signing day comes around.
I don’t care too much about star ratings because in the end you never see a team of 5 stars winning anything.
Actually, those are the teams you see winning national titles. Look. It. Up.
What is your problem with (3) star guys?
Umm, I actually said this about 3* guys: And I have no problem with taking some 3* guys that the services flat out missed. I’d just be pissed if it was 2/3 of our class.
I do have support for "such a claim"
You named one guy that could be argued is underrated. Then you listed a 2nd without giving any supporting evidence. And he’s already a 4*. Do you think he should be 5*?
And what you mean "you don’t" have to take current rankings with a grain of salt? So you believe every thing rivals tell you?
Taking them with a grain of salt would mean to me that they’re worthless. They aren’t worthless. I don’t have a subscription to Rivals. The only info I believe on WC is when they announce a commitment and information from certain posters on the boards that seem to know what they’re talking about.
But there are 4 big-time recruiting sites out there and all are in agreement when it comes to the overall rank of Miami’s class. And regardless of where they are ranked by websites, COLLEGE COACHES are apparently not offering them en masse like what is typical of quality recruits and classes.
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LOL....
I just look at it differently.. Florida has a good class, with what I believe to be below average coaching. Miami may have an average class but their coaching looks a lot better to me than Florida’s. So in the end, it’ll all probably even out as far as production on the field goes. Florida is not doing anything special this year or the next. Miami may make some noise this year and fall off next year with all of those Seniors. But right now, if Miami and Florida played a game, I’d put my money on Miami.
Of course Miami is expected to sign more players than FSU and Florida so I can’t knock them for having more players at this point even if some of the players are considered "prospects" or "reaches". I mean we can’t expect them to have 10-12 ESPNU 150 commits at this point in time.
But that’s exactly the kind of class they need to have any hope of overcoming their disaster class of 2010, and possibly competing at the level of uf and FSU before Golden is shown the door.
As for Golden’s “miracle” at Temple, let’s say it once again:
*He sent 3 players to the NFL. Other MAC heavyweights Central Mich sent 4; Western Mich sent 4.
*Golden did have the biggest budget to work with and the deepest recruiting classes overall. Thus he was picked to win the MAC— he finished 3rd… in his division.
*His record against D1 teams with a wining record was 2-24.
Now let all of that sink in, and you’ll get a pretty good idea was he the miami AD’s 4th choice for the job.
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by PeachTreeNole on Jul 8, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions
This is an educated answer....
Just because I don’t hate Miami doesn’t mean I’m a Troll. I just choose to see the good in them finally getting a competent coach… I say “miracle” at Temple because before Golden got their Temple was considered the bottom of the pit in college football. No since of structure and the program was shot to hell… So by him being able to turn that program around and end up sending players to the NFL shows that this guy knows what he’s doing… I’m not saying Miami is National Championship bound because 45-17 against a Nole team that was still on the rebound themselves shows just how much they need to work. But when FSU landed Jimbo and we were proclaiming him the next in line, we were catching hell from all fans from Miami and Florida. Calling him Supercoach 2.0 and 3.0 or whatever that was said… Like I said, I hate Florida and I think they are going NOWHERE fast no matter how good they recruit, but I actually think Golden is a good coach… But of course end the end FSU is going to run the state so everybody else is just competing for second place…
You do realize that the biggest thing Temple did was switch conferences, right?
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Wasn't aware..
I’m not trying to be the lone wolf FSU fan that defends everything Miami. If this was a discussion about who would beat who in a game I would go on and on about how Mike Harris would single handedly take out every offensive player, let alone the defense as a whole. I love FSU.. Been a fan since 92’. I just choose to look at things with more perspective. In regards to Miami, I don’t hate them. To me it’s more of a friendly rivalry so I give them some respect. Even though we have fans that hate Miami and are friendly towards the Gates. Or fans that hate Miami and hate the Gates. We have got on to such a start on the 2012 recruiting class that people think the 2012 recruiting season is over.. It’s still early and I just choose to look at it that way. I like how Al Golden came into Miami with a very detailed plan to get things back in order. Jimbo did the samething. So I give them Kudos for that but I still know that FSU is the King of the Hill
They were an awful Big East team, then switched to the MAC where everyone agreed they had probably the most talent, and didn’t get the job done.
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Even worse than that,
They were kicked out of the Big East for being uncompetitive.
Irony of ironies, they might be good enough for the Big East again, though it’s still officially in limbo.
They’ve gotten better it’s true, but I get the impression that this is happening more because the Big East has gotten noticeably worse.
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they got sent down to AA to up their game
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
by nole07 on Jul 8, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like their style.
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Not to mention the Big East still had Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College back then.
It didn’t suck nearly as badly as it does now. It was a very respectable conference back then and Temple jumped down to arguably the worst in all of D-IA.
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Shhh…This is what people don’t realize about Temple. Its really a midmajor program and had success in the MAC that’s hasn’t been strong in years.
by FSU on Jul 8, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU is not going to run the state
at the moment, FSU and UF are splitting it, and i dont expect that to change unless there is a huge change for the worse in either program.
as for coaches, i see the Jimbo comparison as closer to Muschamp than Golden. neither of them had been head coaches before, but had been tapped to be the next head coach at major programs (so there was a legitimate reason to assume they would do well when they got the chance). Golden has never been touted so highly, and he was a mediocre HC before Miami hired him. not bad, just not a program-saving coach. he should definitely be an improvement over Randy, but not on the level of the recent 2nd year successes like Meyer, Saban, etc. the fact that FSU and UF are willing to pony up for big staffs and great coaches means that they are set up for more success than Miami, who lacks the money, fanbase, and has unrealistic recruiting standards (because of Shalala, so the coaches cannot do anything about it).
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
This guy is a troll
He goes by zone3nole and zone3cane. He got caught flaming on WC and forgot to sign out of his zone3cane account when he started pumping up FSU as zone3cane instead of zone3nole. For this reason alone there is no need for anyone to respond to this joker.
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Really???
Are we still on thiss? You need to scan your page up a few columns but I thought we already that up…. You got people on here pumping up the Gators does that mean their trolls?
Let me clear that up.......
You need to scan your page up a few columns because I thought we already cleared that up….
He's allowed to post here
Deal with it.
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I didn't say he couldn't post
The point is that his responses mean crap since he’s a troll.
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SavvysNole???
You really take this internet stuff to heart don’t you? SMH… I mean you have to really take this stuff serious to have multiple aliases. It’s funny though because I remember discussing several different topics with you on Warchant that were pro-Nole… I almost reached a 1,000 posts on warchant without any cause for concern until the day my brother showed up. Don’t you think if I was really a troll, I wouldn’t have got to post #50 before being banned? As soon as “Zone3cane” showed up then “Oh My GOD” the world is ending Zone3nole and Zone3cane are the same people. That’s why that “Cane fan” came here to flame.. What a joke and get a life… Your opinion or responses hold just as much weight as a feather in air. No one cares what you think… no one cares what I think. No one cares period.. As a matter of fact, I think you’re a Troll… Troll…
both of you cool it!
i will pull this thread over and turn right around if you cant get along!
now, shake hands and apologize…
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I'm Cool..
This whole Troll thing didn’t really bother me at first because I figured it was just all a mis-understanding that could be sorted out. But to be constantly called one eventually starts to feel like someone is trying your man-hood or something. I mean you would think that having as many posts as I did before hell broke loose would clear up any thoughts of someone being a Troll.. But I guess some people love being internet police… J/K..Ok that was the last one..
dude, i am a lifelong Nole
and I get called a troll sometimes. it happens, especially when you have an unpopular opinion and you are willing to defend it. you do need to work on your style, though. it can come across as overly aggressive.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I hate to give Miami any kudos because then everybody thinks I’m a troll, but I guess it’s cool to give kudos to the Gaytors??
Funny world we live in these days. I remember when FSU fans LOATHED the Gators and there was a mutual respect between the Canes and Noles. Now, Nole fans want to pat UF on the back and tell them how good they are while pissing on Miami’s “supposed” grave. I still respect what the Noles are doing, and I respect them as a program. I will always hate the Gators, no matter what.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
gotta quote Wes Mantooth here
Deep down in my stomach, with every inch of me, I pure, straight hate you. But, God dammit, do I respect you.
we hate the Gates, but they are doing what it takes to win long term, and Miami is not.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
I think...
A lot of this Gator love has to do with Jimbo and Muschamp being great friends. I could care-less who befriends who. When I see Blue and Orange, I almost go blind with rage. I really can’t stand anything that’s a gator. I don’t even watch animal planet because they show Gators.. (Joke) We act like the Urban Meyer era didn’t exist.. All that stuff he got away with just because Tim Tebow was their was sickening.. I hope we destroy them 100-0 every time we play.. And I would watch every second of it… Trust me the Gators still hate everything that’s Nole. Go to a gator board and find out… This is not a friendly rivalry… Gators hate Noles and I hate Gators. I might not like the Canes but I still have a respect for them and wish them well beyond our game. Because a strong Miami and FSU team means a strong ACC conference in the eyes of the outside world.. The ACC is always looked down upon by everyone but when FSU and Miami are strong then everyone gets scared..
Wrong
It’s not love or hate. It’s analysis. UF doing much better than Miami? We say so. If it was reversed, we’d say so.
I’ve explained this to you twice now.
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Crystal Clear...
Not really aiming my thoughts at you because you haven’t gotten personal but some of our fans take stuff a little bit too serious and a little bit too far… I understand people like you base your opinions on analysis and things of that sort. But I kind of look at things in a different light. For instance, Will Mushamp is the Gators new head coach.. He already inherited a program that was on the downswing which was why Urban left. He did not come in with the same type of planning that Jimbo Fisher brought in to FSU. Instead he hired a big name coach in Charlie Weis, who may have a great offensive mind, but his production at Notre Dame leaves him with a lot of questions. He had access to a lot of talent but he couldn’t deliver. Then he brought in a questionable wide receivers coach that was a UM by the name of Aubrey Hill. He proved to be a good recruiter but basically sucked at player development. Leonard Hankerson had to go to Mark Duper to actually become a better receiver while Hill was their. Not saying that Florida may turn around because I may be wrong. But just because they are signing 4 star players doesn’t mean anything. We signed top classes in the Jeff Bowden era that never panned out. So at the end of the day coaching is what matters. And if Aubrey Hill couldn’t coach at Miami, I don’t see him changing at Florida. Charlie Weis still has to prove that he can develop as well as coach because right now I view him as some one who is highly over-rated. Don’t know much about Al Golden & Co but I do know that he is very intense and he seems to be very determined.
Disagree on Weis, agree on Hill. Weis has had great offenses everywhere he went.
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I’d gladly piss on both of your graves, but while you guys are in the process of digging yours, UF is spry and healthy.
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UF is a good program but I'd enjoy pissing on their grave.
And UM isn’t dead; just down.
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Great minds piss alike.
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
OK, then besides the guys I mentioned, who are the "projects"
You guys are saying that UM has “a lot” or “a ton” of projects, but who are they?
Per the Rivals ratings, we have 7 4-star guys and 6 high-3-star guys (5.7 Rivals rating, they would go to 4-star if Rivals raises the rating by one-tenth).
So that’s 13 of our 20. How are these guys “projects”? And one of our “lowest” rated guys just made the Elite 11, so with a good performance and good season, he will likely be upgraded.
Look, I’m not trying to say that every one of our verbals will eventually get a higher rating in Rivals, I’m just asking the “rival opinion” – who are all of these “projects”, besides the guys I mentioned (and I’d really only put Holifield, Hope, and O’Donnell in the “project” category).
At least Golden has SEEN our “projects” in a camp, unlike Randy Shannon, who was signing 2-star guys from Buffalo and Clovis, CA in February after discovering these Plan Z guys in January.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 8, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Guys who are highly unlikely to be a significant contributor in their first two years despite plenty of available PT:
Carter
Jones
Holifield
Odonnel
Witt
Hope
Davis
Carter
Hoilett
Crowe
Oh, and Jean-Louis is a huge qualifying risk.
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I might have on my double homer glasses, since he's a local product and a Cane commit.
But, I truly believe Carter will contribute, year 2. Kid is a freak, who only has one year of football under his belt. I really look for him to move up in the rankings this year.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Carter is local?
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He's local to me.
He plays in the next county up from me.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 11, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Cane Res, Carter must be doubly bad...
Since Bud listed him twice on the list of Miami “scrubs”.
Bud arrives at his conclusion that Miami has “a ton” of non-elite talent by double-counting certain guys.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 9, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Your list is hilarious, Bud
You’ve managed to determine, with 25% of their high school football careers yet to be played, that 10 of our 20 recruits will have no impact until 4 years from now. Care to give me the winning lottery numbers?
Jontavious Carter – the guy is listed as 6’2" and 202 as a rising senior. He’s a 3-star on Scout, just hasn’t been evaluated by Rivals. He’ll play early, if only because of Randy Shannon’s bizarre WR recruiting patterns.
D’Mauri Jones – oh, sure, it’s only FSU that can pull WR talent from the small towns. He’s 6’4". He’ll play early.
Brandon Holifield – I’ll give you this one. If he’s the next Jimmy Graham, great, but he needs to prove it.
Jake O’Donnell – I’ll give you this one too.
Josh Witt – will play. You realize we’re going towards the 3-4, right?
Larry Hope – local kid, but a reach right now.
Vernon Davis – you’re kidding, right? He’s a notch below a 4-star, yet you’re telling us that he won’t contribute for several years? That’s right, defensive backs under 6’ only excel at FSU, never at Miami.
You mentioned Jontavious Carter twice. Now I understand why you think we have “a ton” of reaches.
Dwayne Hoilet – doing VERY well out at “The Opening”. Will play.
Rivals:
Defensive linemen who especially stood out were Florida State commit Chris Casher, defensive tackle Danny O’Brien, three-star defensive end Jamal Marcus, four-star Luke Kaumatule and Miami pledge Dwayne Hoilett.
Twitter:
- Hoilett impressed me with his strength and overall had a great day in the OL/DL challenge
- Miami commit Dwayne Hoilett showing more strength than I anticipated during OL/DL challenge. jcshurburt
- I really like his upside. Long arms, moves well, and could be a steal for UM. (chad simmons responding to shurburt)
Gray Crow – Yes, I realize that one or more of our 3 QB commits will not play right away.
Oh, and Jean-Louis isn’t the one I’m worried about qualifying. There’s someone else on our list with a bigger issue, but it didn’t stop FSU from offering him.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 9, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Bud will be glad you find it hilarious. After all, that is why he started and runs this site, solely for the amusement of scUM fans everywhere.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I do admit, we find it amusing
I, for one, find the FSU fan overconfidence entertaining.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 13, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I do admit, we find it amusing
I, for one, find the FSU fan appropriate level ofoverconfidence entertaining.
Notice we dont speak that way about UF. We hate them, but we also realize the advantages they have as a program. I happen to find that most (97%+) of UM fans are in denial when it comes to the limitations of the program. You fail to understand that we arent insulting/dogging/whatever your program (I mean, we are, but not in this context), but rather pointing out that you have a ton of hurdles you have to overcome to be on an elite level. Being in the “state of Miami” will only take you so far.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
Overconfident about...?
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Your argument is completely shot. Here's why:
20% of Miami’s recruits are in the 247 (4/20)
69% of Florida’s recruits are in the 247 (9/13)
30% of Miami’s recruits are in the Scout 300 (6/20)
69% of Florida’s recruits are in the scout 300 (9/13)
25% of Miami’s recruits are in the Rivals 250 (5/20)
69% of Florida’s recruits are in the Rivals 250 (9/13)
25% of Miami’s recruits are in the ESPNU150 (6/20)
46% of Florida’s recruits are in the ESPNU 150 (6/13)
So your argument is shot to hell there. Florida has a lot more top prospects in its class despite having far fewer total commitments.
You are not capable of a great class when you have that many non-star players in it. A good class is doable, perhaps even very good. But you need a ton of immediate contributors and this class has anything but that.
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I think other team’s fans lose sight of stacking up their recruits against other programs and also want to look at individuals, which makes them even more likely to forget the exact thing you’re pointing out – overall amount of quality commitments compared to your competition. Like its been said by you and other posters: “[you’re team (or schedule, position, etc) is only half the battle, you have to consider who you are playing].”
It seems like a typical outside knee jerk reactions to TN’s analysis of MIami (usually driven by an emotional desire for things to be different, and to heck with objective reflection/analysis) is that they assume you’re saying they’re going to be terrible, and immediately terrible, whereas in fact you’re saying they’re likely going to be capped at good/very good in the near future if they don’t right their recruiting ship (as compared to their meaningful competition when considering being better than good/very good). Not to mention the business side of football and how that is the driver of success.
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Agreed. They don’t get that you only have 85 scholarships.
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It's sort of like the "you're only as strong as your weakest link" analogy. I'd say the strength of your class could better be measured by the strength of the bottom half moreso than how many headliners you pull.
And, like Bud points out with Jean-Louis above, you can’t underestimate two more things:
1. Grades
2. Character
(if a kid isn’t going to academically qualify, or if he is going to get caught with drugs or kicked out of school or whatever either before he gets to campus or soon thereafter, then what do you have?)
Predicting Miami to not make a bowl next year is not predicting good/very good.
But, hey it’s July. What else do we have to do besides fling poo at each other? ; )
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it. You must of replied to the wrong comment. He didn't say anything about DAu not making a bowl.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I thought he was talking about the general talk on the board.
I’ve seen that several times on here. If I took his comment the wrong way, I apologize.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
No need to apologize.
I was just confused by your comment since you are normally a somewhat rational
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FOR A CANE.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Besides, I agree that anyone who says DAu is not going to a bowl this year is not very bright.
Even when they start their slide in the mediocrity, they should still make a bowl.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Agree here,
I’ve downed Da U in the past, but I still think they’ll be making bowls for a good while longer.
They just won’t be bowls of the same prestige that their older fans have become accustomed to.
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Off-season Poo flinging is a time honored tradition in my family
But for the record, my money is on UM making a bowl, and I also Miami has a decent chance to beat FSU this year.
Its the coming years what will be tough on UM, imo.
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FSU football: bringing in the VA monkey demographic
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If I wasn't at work, oh boy, you better believe I would embed the gif
but this will have to serve: Thats Racist!
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poo-flinging monkeys is racist?
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Now you've done it
You’ve angered all of our zoo-bound blog readers…

What’ll we do for hits now?
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by Dogrel on Jul 8, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, my only reaction to TN's analysis of Miami is that
Bud should stick to what he knows (FSU) and not try to pass judgment on recruiting class rankings 7 months early and before these kids even go through their senior seasons.
What I have asked for, in light of all of the TN claims that UM has “a ton” of “projects” is for more specificity. Even if you don’t want to look at individuals, and you want to analyze the class as a whole, the issue still arises, since 2/3 of Miami’s class (13 of 20) are either 4-star on Rivals or high-3-star and could rise to 4-star with good senior seasons.
Every team needs depth, every team needs special teamers. It seems like the primary criticism is that Golden has taken verbals from a couple of these types of kids (Hope, O’Donnell) earlier rather than later. If we take 10 more verbals like those, I’ll worry. But to act as if our entire recruiting process is misguided is just silly.
Talk to the HS coaches and administrators who are seeing a completely different approach from this Miami coaching staff. Whether we have the #1 class this year or not, we won’t have any problems signing top kids going forward.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 8, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree that the process has changed, but the results are discouraging to date, no?
I know FSU fans would be outraged if the ’Noles had a class like this
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Heck, I know FSU fans that are nitpicking our last 2 classes.
Some people are hard to please.
Nole fans should be outraged if they had our class right now.
Y’all are about 2 years ahead of us in the game. If FSU was coming off of a 7-6 season with blowout losses to Miami and Florida to go with an embarrassing bowl loss, firing the coaching staff, not to mention a recruiting class like we had last year because the former staff had no direction, you’d be tickled as a pig in shit with what Golden has done so far.
You’re right about the numbers right now, but what you’re overlooking is the perspective. We’re not where you are ight now. You weren’t where UF was this time last year. You can’t compare FSU right now with Miami right now. Like I said, recruits seem to like Golden thus far. If the product on the field this year is improved, start looking for more elites and less projects on the field next year. Having all these upperclassmen could really Golden out. All he has to do is get the most out of the talent that is here, and he can sell the product on the field AND early playing time. Having all these upperclassmen could be a blessing in disguise for Golden’s chances of remaining at Miami.
by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Fair
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Here's the big problem:
1. From a recruiting standpoint, I think it would be more fair to judge Golden by what he pulls next year after getting fully established, making ties, etc.
2. He doesn’t/can’t have that luxury because of the well-documented dilemma Miami faces after this season. Oh well, tough $h!%…thank God that’s UM’s problem and not ours.
FSU went 7-6 in 2009, losing big at UF and losing at home to USF and UM.
Barely made a bowl game. Fired our legendary head coached and overhauled much of the staff. I wouldn’t expect a phenomenal 1st class but, again, I wouldn’t expect a sub-3.00 class, either.
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Every team needs depth, every team needs special teamers. It seems like the primary criticism is that Golden has taken verbals from a couple of these types of kids (Hope, O’Donnell) earlier rather than later. If we take 10 more verbals like those, I’ll worry. But to act as if our entire recruiting process is misguided is just silly.
To be better than your two in-state opponents, your depth and special teamers needs to be better than theirs. Too bad for Miami they took a bunch of scrubs who will be filling the rosters after this coming year.
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whats your excuse going to be 7 months from now?
not try to pass judgment on recruiting class rankings 7 months early and before these kids even go through their senior seasons.
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If Golden fills the next 11 slots with low-to-mid 3-star talent, I will be critical. If he closes on the many 4-5 star guys who have strong interest, I will be happy.
In the past, nobody has ever been able to judge a Miami class so harshly in the first week of July because we’ve never had 20 verbals at this point. Let’s discuss this more accurately in February.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 9, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean we won't see you till February? OK, take care.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
considering the large number of Canes who act like this
this is too appropriate not to post

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Every team needs depth, every team needs special teamers.
while typically true, Miami doesnt need that as much as they need immediate contributors. they need a class like FSU and UF have in order to make up for the lack of talent next season, and they have considerably worse. FSU/UF could survive with Miami’s current class for 1 down year, but Miami needs a FSU/UF level class.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
they will need it, especially on the punt and kick return teams
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Have you looked at your 2010 and 2011 classes?
They are god awful, and those are the kids that will be making up the majority of your roster in 2012. Bringing in a class that is half full of “depth” kids isn’t going to help you b/c that’s what you will mostly have after this season.
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This is true,
Every team needs depth, every team needs special teamers.
But not when you guys are facing an acute shortage of quality starters.
This is like taking a schedule full of basket-weaving and phys ed courses when your financial aid is about to run out. Electives are nice and they goose your GPA, but when it comes down to crunch time and the real world’s about to intrude onto your life, you really ought to start working at what will give you the best shot to succeed down the road.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Every team needs depth, every team needs special teamers.
Every team doesn’t win National Championships.
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You could also say 2/3 of your class is 3* or worse.
It depends how you look at it.
Do you admit your average star ranking is poor?
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Bud, your argument is completely shot
First, you’re using percentages, which favors UF, as they have a smaller denominator. As an example, UM and UF have an equal NUMBER of ESPNU150 recruits, yet UF’s percentage is double UM’s.
Second, you are taking a snapshot seven months before Signing Day and acting as if nothing will change. When UM and FSU used to fill their classes in January, we were finding a lot of guys who really exploded in their senior years. Right now, we are basing our opinions on production through the junior year (maybe these kids have been bigger/stronger than others due to early growth spurts) and “offer lists” (reputation and peer pressure based). Even looking at the wide discrepancies between where the four ranking systems have ranked all the players is an indication of what a crap shoot it is to make such an early authoritative prediction. By January, there will be more convergence between these four ranking systems.
Third, you keep ignoring the class size issue because you seem to want to make a “few bad apples spoil the bunch” argument. Recruiting class rankings are a combination of quality and quantity. Rivals only rates a class based on the top 25 players in the class, so if Miami signs 30, our bottom 5 won’t impact our class ranking at all. So if we have “a ton” of “projects”, tell me who they are (besides the guys I mentioned). We have 7 4-star kids and 6 high-3-star kids (Rivals rating of 5.7), so even if you argue that the “other seven” are all projects, five will not even count in our class ranking on Signing Day. And of those seven “possible projects”, one just made the Elite 11 – do you honestly believe, Bud, that his ranking will not go up? Now, if Golden takes verbals from 10 more reaches, we can have a discussion. But from everything that I am hearing, we are actually slowing down the pace right now because we can conceivably fill 9 of the spots (we will sign a punter) with 4 and 5 star guys, based on current interest. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn’t, but it’s too early to render a verdict.
Fourth, you keep relying on arbitrary-size samples, as if that is meaningful, while ignoring the data I gave you on Rivals ratings. Let’s just look at the Rivals 250 for a moment. UF has 9 4-star players, all of whom are in the Rivals 250. Miami has 7 4-star players, yet two of our guys are not in the Rivals 250. The way you are using percentages and telling me that Florida has “a lot more top prospects” means that 2 of our 4-star players on Rivals are not even considered “top prospects” for purposes of this comparison. Which is silly. What if our guys are #251 and 252? If Rivals used the Scout system, we would be looking at 300 kids, and now we would have two additional “top recruits”.
What is funny is that you acknowledge we were in good position for a couple of 5-star guys. With those two, alone, we would have a better class than UF. It isn’t an “averaging system”, Bud. The fact that we signed a few reaches doesn’t “damage” our class if we are signing 30. Go back and do some analysis on last year’s signing class on Rivals. FSU signed 29 and finished 2, USC signed 30 and finished 4, and Clemson signed 29 and finished 8. Personally, I think we will end up in the Clemson range, just not with as many 5-stars, but with more 4-stars.
Bud, if you don’t think we are getting immediate contributors, you are entitled to your opinion. But you are also ignoring the fact that we are working both the JuCo (counts as a signee) and the transfer (counts as a scholarship, not a signee) angles, for both this year and next.
I’m not predicting a national championship yet, but I am cautiously optimistic that Golden is doing EVERYTHING possible to fill in the depth chart issues that Randy left behind, and that goes to both quality and age level. I understand what you are saying, maybe 30 freshmen won’t yield the number of “immediate contributors” that you think we need, but we have other directions we are going too.
I respect your analysis of FSU, Bud. But there is “a ton” you don’t know about UM and what Golden is doing, so you might want to stick to what you know best and put your hatred in neutral. If FSU is dominating UM in a couple of years, feel free to gloat. But I think your analysis of UM is driven more by hatred than logic.
by TheOriginalCane on Jul 8, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
let’s revisit this in 2013 … my money is on bud :)
by newdynastynole on Jul 8, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I summed it up all here in a post http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/7/8/2265791/state-of-florida-recruiting-check
There is no reason to think that FSU and UF will suddenly fill their class with a bunch of non-elite kids.
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I did not ignore the class-size issue. You seem to ignore the issue of “85.”
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The canes need this class to be full of impact players for 2012 for these reasons alone.
Your 2010 and 2011 classes sucked big time! Pretty much all of your talent is gone after this year. You lose 21-22 seniors and possibly 3-5 juniors. Roughly 2/3 of your commits for 2012 haven’t even received an offer from a major program and have gotten no interest from the big boys in the South. In all honesty, if FSU was taking the kids that miami is we would all be pissed and saying “WTF?”.
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First, you’re using percentages, which favors UF, as they have a smaller denominator. As an example, UM and UF have an equal NUMBER of ESPNU150 recruits, yet UF’s percentage is double UM’s.
But what’s not equal is the number of projects each team is taking.
Second, you are taking a snapshot seven months before Signing Day and acting as if nothing will change. When UM and FSU used to fill their classes in January, we were finding a lot of guys who really exploded in their senior years. Right now, we are basing our opinions on production through the junior year (maybe these kids have been bigger/stronger than others due to early growth spurts) and "offer lists" (reputation and peer pressure based). Even looking at the wide discrepancies between where the four ranking systems have ranked all the players is an indication of what a crap shoot it is to make such an early authoritative prediction. By January, there will be more convergence between these four ranking systems.
I will take a snapshot every six weeks. If you are right, it will show through, right?
Third, you keep ignoring the class size issue because you seem to want to make a "few bad apples spoil the bunch" argument. Recruiting class rankings are a combination of quality and quantity. Rivals only rates a class based on the top 25 players in the class, so if Miami signs 30, our bottom 5 won’t impact our class ranking at all. So if we have "a ton" of "projects", tell me who they are (besides the guys I mentioned). We have 7 4-star kids and 6 high-3-star kids (Rivals rating of 5.7), so even if you argue that the "other seven" are all projects, five will not even count in our class ranking on Signing Day. And of those seven "possible projects", one just made the Elite 11 – do you honestly believe, Bud, that his ranking will not go up? Now, if Golden takes verbals from 10 more reaches, we can have a discussion. But from everything that I am hearing, we are actually slowing down the pace right now because we can conceivably fill 9 of the spots (we will sign a punter) with 4 and 5 star guys, based on current interest. Maybe that happens, maybe it doesn’t, but it’s too early to render a verdict.
Fourth, you keep relying on arbitrary-size samples, as if that is meaningful, while ignoring the data I gave you on Rivals ratings. Let’s just look at the Rivals 250 for a moment. UF has 9 4-star players, all of whom are in the Rivals 250. Miami has 7 4-star players, yet two of our guys are not in the Rivals 250. The way you are using percentages and telling me that Florida has "a lot more top prospects" means that 2 of our 4-star players on Rivals are not even considered "top prospects" for purposes of this comparison. Which is silly. What if our guys are #251 and 252? If Rivals used the Scout system, we would be looking at 300 kids, and now we would have two additional "top recruits".
I don’t understand this criticism, but if you want to argue that the RIvals250 is an arbitrary cutoff, then you must also argue that Rivals only using 25 in their formula is also arbitrary, no?
What is not arbitrary is that Miami is handing out scholarships to a ton of projects.
What is funny is that you acknowledge we were in good position for a couple of 5-star guys. With those two, alone, we would have a better class than UF. It isn’t an "averaging system", Bud. The fact that we signed a few reaches doesn’t "damage" our class if we are signing 30. Go back and do some analysis on last year’s signing class on Rivals. FSU signed 29 and finished 2, USC signed 30 and finished 4, and Clemson signed 29 and finished 8. Personally, I think we will end up in the Clemson range, just not with as many 5-stars, but with more 4-stars.
Those two five-stars, which I highly doubt will come to Miami, will not serve the function to boot all these projects off the commitment list, right?
Bud, if you don’t think we are getting immediate contributors, you are entitled to your opinion. But you are also ignoring the fact that we are working both the JuCo (counts as a signee) and the transfer (counts as a scholarship, not a signee) angles, for both this year and next.
Until you have them, we can’t factor them in. When you get them, I’ll add them in.
I’m not predicting a national championship yet, but I am cautiously optimistic that Golden is doing EVERYTHING possible to fill in the depth chart issues that Randy left behind, and that goes to both quality and age level. I understand what you are saying, maybe 30 freshmen won’t yield the number of "immediate contributors" that you think we need, but we have other directions we are going too.
I think he is filling numbers, but not with talent. I really don’t understand what he is doing considering all the issues facing the program and the desperate need to win immediately.
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You have a 2.70 star average on 247 and Scout.
You have a 3.05 star average on Rivals and ESPN.
You literally have as many 3* or lower players as both FSU and UF have total commits.
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"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
Karlos "coming along slowly" just ruined my morning
I had high hopes that he’d come in, dominate and take on of the starting safety spots by mid-season as he learns the playbook and earns backup time. I REALLY want him and LJ starting before the end of the year as I suggested months ago (not that it is a new thought). I expected Kelvin to start slow but definitely not Karlos, especially with the way he performed at the UA game. But it is still early and I REALLY hope this doesn’t continue.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
someone pointed out that he has never had to play the pass before and cover. he’s pretty much always been a downhill run defender.
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which will make picking up the zone scheme extremely difficult, moreso than a typical freshman DB
i was one of the earliest defenders of him as a safety, but even i know he isnt ready for prime time quite yet. he has the instincts, but lacks the experience to hone those instincts. the natural gifts and feel for the game are defnintely there, though.
i see a similar pattern to Rhodes changing to CB full time, instead of his projected position of WR: it will take a year, but he is eager to learn and has the skills to be a big impact player. dunno if he has the same level 2nd year as Rhodes or not, but he should see a huge jump after he gets a year under his belt. it will likely look the same as the entire defensive backfield trying to pick up the zone last year, and the end of the season should show a significant improvement. but i think it will be year 2 before he is really comfortable out there.
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Totally agree. Which will be the time when we’ll have people leave in the secondary and will reshuffle the deck
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
He has all the size, speed, and strength, but it is different when you are playing against college/nfl ready guys. Its not like high school or an all american game. It will take his some time to figure out this defense. Its not as easy as a lot of fans think.
Sounds like Moody...
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Which is not uncommon for a lot of guys in high school football. You see a whole helluva lot more wing-T than you do sophisticated passing offenses. Passing is a gimmick at best for the majority of high school teams.
Los has the tools. It will come. The learning curve should be steep in that respect, so just give it time.
Also nothing wrong with him
needing a year to learn the position, if that’s what it takes.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea that information kind of sucked to hear. It kind of made me take a step back into reality. But I think if Karlos had made it on to campus in the Spring then he would be ready to go by this point. He just needs time to adjust and learn the system, because studying a playbook as complex as this new zone scheme is completely different from “on the field” training. He just needs to get his feet wet a little bit. Offensive prospects like Nick O’Leary have an easier road because at the end of the day it’s all about finding soft spots and getting open.
Sem1nole
Many others like yourself have these expectations which imo are very unrealistic. Safety is one the hardest/greatest learning curve positions on the entire defensive side of the ball. In a zone type defense you have to have very good foundation/understanding of what everyone in front of you is doing and their job responsibilities in conjunction with your own.
The old days of Man when someone like Myron could come in and start b/c of cover 2 are long gone. There are many reasons why our safeties last year were considered by many to be lacking and most did not take the difficulty of safety into consideration. A moment of hesitation at the line of scrimmage is minimal in comparison to the magnification hesitation causes by someone who is 20 yds down the field. Because of this I also do not believe that Joyner has any chance of taking the #1 spot from Moody or Parks who are an entire year ahead in the learning curve and if he does he will receive a lot of the same attention that Moody did.
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by Seminole4Ever on Jul 7, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree
joyner was the national defensive player of the year in hs at safety. so he has experience playing the position and he has had the exact same amount of time in stoops’ scheme as moody and parks (tho he was playing cb the first year). combine these experiences with a VASTLY superior athletic ability and a really impressive spring performance and i think he could push for a starting job (JMO but i think he becomes a starter this year some time)
by newdynastynole on Jul 8, 2011 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be the other guy:
Bud was kind enough to label it…=)
Look carefully.
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by onebarrelrum on Jul 7, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
haha.
Sometimes, for whatever reason, this website loads the pics pretty fast and takes the descriptions a few seconds to catch up. For me at least. Probably got you too.
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come on, give him a break
you know all those GAMs look alike nowadays
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Nick O'Leary has been killing 7-on-7s. His body control is exceptional. Rashad Greene has also been doing well. Kelvin Benjamin is coming along a bit slower, as is Karlos Williams
Bud, any idea on how Coker is looking in 7 on’s?
Heard he is coming along.
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Ridiculously excited about O'Leary...
exactly the kind of guy (skills, demeanor) that um killed us with time and again.
is TE a position that someone can come in and play right away (as a HS Fr)?
I’ve heard of RBs and WRs doing it.
Championship!
Remember Brandon Warren???
Made the ACC Freshman All-American Team his first year…
Just remember he’s not really a true TE per se. He’s an H-back and there’s a difference. I do expect just his presence to have an impact because of his skill set you have to account for him. Cant wait to see him in Angle & Texas routes within the offense
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
think Dallas Clark and Preston Dial
that kind of effect
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Give him 20 more pounds and I'll call him Dallas Clark, Jr.
Nickel backs will get crushed by his block and/or unable to bring him down after the catch. SLB won’t be able to keep up with him in coverage. All Safeties will see is a heat-seeking missile.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I would love Nickelback to be crushed.
by NolenRyan on Jul 7, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I think O'leary will make a big contribution for us this year.
EJ has got to love the way he goes and gets the ball at the highest point.
I saw on twitter @kshaw jimbo had a meeting with the team today.
k shaw was worried before going into the meeting and came out saying I love me some Jimbo. I wonder what it was about.
Maybe he thought he was losing a grip on his standings
And instead left with them telling him how they would do this or that to make him better. Gotta think simplistic. if this were Auburn or Clemson it would be cause he just left with pockets full of cash or a few ounces of haze if it was OSU
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by FSUActuary on Jul 7, 2011 7:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
New guy here
Before you guys go apesh*t on me for trolling, I just want to say that this is a pretty good site. You can obviously tell who my favorite college team is by looking at my sig, so don’t ask.
BTW, the reason why I’m here is because I don’t know anywhere else to go in order to have an intelligent conversation about Miami. Shame that I have to go to a rival team’s message board for that smh.
Pittsburgh Steelers fan - nuff said.
Miami Hurricanes fan - nuff said.
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Cleveland Cavaliers fan - um yeah, about that...
Its ok stonecoldsteel….u can jump ship and switch over before its too late.
by NOLEisticscience on Jul 7, 2011 8:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Resistance is futile… You wil be assimilated. Join TN or be destroyed :).
by FSU on Jul 7, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
I really don’t have any hate towards FSU (weird, right?). I’m kind of indifferent towards the state schools because I’m more of a pro football fan.
But for the sake of being rivals, I hate you guys and you stank :P
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 7, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
quick question
how do you like teams from pittsburgh, dc, cleveland and miami? that doesnt seem to make much sense to me… but welcome to tn!
by newdynastynole on Jul 8, 2011 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If he's like me, he grew up in a place where they didn't have (m)any teams worth following
And most of those were teams on TV that were really good when he was deciding who his teams were.
I was a SoFlo boy in the era before the Marlins and the Heat, yet after the Dolphins started sucking. That’s why I pull for the Celtics, Steelers, and Yankees.
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fair enough
but he still likes 2 colleges, so unless he went to one of them…
by newdynastynole on Jul 8, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s why I pull for the Celtics, Steelers, and Yankees.
- cough * frontrunner * cough *
/but Go Celtics!
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I thought it was "Go Heat" down there?
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Que?
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
You don't live in Florida?
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 10, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
To make a long story short, I moved around a lot as a kid so I never really had a chance to root for the “hometown team” for very long.
I was born in Dayton, OH and I grew up on basketball. The first game I remember watching was a Cav’s game against the Hawks back in the 90’s (when I moved to Georgia), so I just adopted the Cavs for some reason and have never looked back. The Hoyas are liked by my entire family, so I had no choice. I do like the Hurricane’s bball team too, but I don’t get to watch them much.
The Steelers connection came from my extended family. I would always go visit them during and see their place decked out in Steeler gear, so I started watching and soon became addicted. My UM love honestly came from when I first started watching college football back in 2002, so if you want to label me as a “bandwagon fan” go ahead.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy buckets.
I swear, the human race did not start in Africa somewhere. It started in Dayton, Ohio. I think you can trace back everyone’s genealogy to that town.
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Yeah pretty much
Dayton used to be glamorous cities oozing with opportunity and jobs, sort of like Detroit. Now both of those cities are basically dead.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Dayton, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Akron, Toledo, on and on.
Only area in Ohio that’s not slowly dying is Columbus thanks to OSU and the government jobs. Certain suburbs in those cities though are still nice places to live. Not a bad place to settle down (in those ’burbs), imo, if you can stand the cold, snowy, dreary winters.
Where in Dayton?
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I live near a town called Trotwood
It’s about 10 minutes away from downtown. Yeah, there are certain towns that are nice but as you know jobs are scarce here.
But I plan on moving away from this craphole of a state pretty soon and continuing my education. I may just move to Cincy for a while and just go to school somewhere down there.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome!
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I’ve been hip to this site for a while now, as well as the other Cane sites. But I went to that eyeofthehurricane.net website and some of the people on there are either:
a.) having sex with their relatives, or
b.) consuming large amounts of coke while having sex with their relatives
Those people are completely clueless on how football really works.
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
What is this a.) b.) you speak of??
Better familiarize yourself with the A, 2, D system.
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Some sort of ebonics?
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Did the comment you replied to remind you of anyone?
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by Nole Resurrected on Jul 8, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That last sentence sounds so wrong...
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by Dogrel on Jul 8, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Um...
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
1-AA
>>>-----------;;;-->"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit 'em in the mouth, and they don't like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that's what we started out with.'' - Nick Moody >>>-----------;;;-->
DO they really?
The question was sarcastic, didnt know they actually had one.
I didnt get a harrumph out of that guy!
They toss around the pigskin a bit
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by Miaminole on Jul 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh
I think the folks at Behind the Steel Curtain would disagree lol.
BTW, isn’t the name Miaminole a little oxymoronic?
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 7, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Bein born in a place doesnt mean the Warchant is any less powerful.
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Gotcha
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by StoneColdSteel on Jul 8, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
i heard james wilder jr posted a 4.6 forty time
I wish they would convince him to play linebacker. He wants to play in the nfl. Everyone is going to a two back system. Running backs just don’t get paid like they use to, and they don’t last long either.
by Cjones6121 on Jul 7, 2011 11:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good Point...
This is one of the few reasons why I would want to see Wilder play linebacker. I have no doubt he’ll be a very good runner for us, but in the NFL running backs are only averaging like 5 years. We saw how quick Brandon Jacobs lost his “mojo”. It seems like Ray Lewis has been playing since “high-rights, low-lefts” were in. Running backs just take a lot of punishment and if you don’t have the freakish speed to run away from big hits or agility to avoid big hits you’re going to run out of gas. But I guess we’ll all have to wait and see. Still excited to have him on the team in any way shape or form…
Wait till Pender gets here
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What's his forty? and are you saying Wilder won't sniff much PT or that power and speed will be a winning combo?
I think the former. very crowded with Pender, Freeman, Wilder. If the unthinkable happens (Sanders Jr.) I think he’s gotta cross the line of scrimage or convert to H-back (highly unlikley)
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Apparently he ran a 10.72 this spring in the 100m.
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I'm not a 100m guy. What's considered the lminum standard for "pull away" speed?
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I am not ready to make a judgment, but that backfield will be crowded.
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mark ingram was the first running back taken and he was picked 22 if im not mistaken.
by Cjones6121 on Jul 7, 2011 11:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i also saw on twitter mike harris recorded one of the best 40 times on the team at a blazing 4.35
by Cjones6121 on Jul 7, 2011 11:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Mike Harris..
He has got to be one of my favorite guys on the team…. Simply because he would be starting any where else and yet he doesn’t have an ego. NFL scouts would be fools not to see him as a 1st round draft pick no matter if he’s a starter for us or not. I hope he gets A LOT of playing time this year.
Yeah I think those are made up
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by Bud Elliott on Jul 8, 2011 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
in regards to karlos
My personal opinion is I rather not see him in starting to soon, he should learn and be worked in accordingly, now where I do want to see him from game 1 is special teams…kickoff and gunner on punt from first whistle. Teams would fair catch everytime at a 230 lb freak with 4.4 speed flying towards them.
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by jfree on Jul 8, 2011 12:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree..
Karlos was interview’d after the UA game, I believe, and he said he wasn’t in any rush to start. He knows that he has to wait his time and is willing to do the ground work so he can be the best he can when his time comes… Gotta love somebody who has a big ego but also has a realistic perspective about things…
Call me a little less enthusiastic about
risking Los’ health playing special teams as a true frosh. If his learning curve is not what we hope at safety, RS him and unleash him next year. Or let him play linebacker (I know, a million-to-one shot that will happen).

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