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Discussion: FSU's Five Most Important Games of 2011

Let’s have some fun this afternoon. As the 2010 version of this discussion piece was successful in generating some interesting debate, I thought that a re-visitation of the topic of FSU’s five most important football games of the regular season might help to pass the seemingly endless time before the arrival of September 3rd. This year’s entry features some changes, though. With the goal of consistency in mind, as well as that of emphasizing realistic expectations as fans, I will speak of my EXPECTATIONS for this year’s team, referring to FrankD’s entries on the goals/expectations dichotomy.

Part One

Part Two

"14-0 should be our GOAL not only for 2011, but for every football season.

 OK 'nuff said, but what are our EXPECTATIONS for the 2011 FSU Seminoles?

Everyone of us has a different idea about what will constitute a successful 2011

FSU football season. Many times our expectations are determined by blind homerism, where we perceive where we should be, or where we feel we, as Noles, deserve to be.

 All too often expectations are confused with goals and this can cause disillusionment with our team at the end of the season when unrealistic expectations are not met."

As such, this will be the lens through which I will examine FSU’s most important games of the season. What are the expectations we have? What will the team need to do to go about meeting them?

Star-divide

We’ll start with expectations. Last year, the Seminoles posted the 7th ranked offense, alongside the 41st ranked defense by Football Outsiders' F/+ rankings.  With the loss of a first round QB and two offensive line starters, along with a wide receiver corps that lacks a standout, I think it’s reasonable to expect a slight step backwards for a unit that has been nothing short of tremendous over the past two years. The revamped 2010 FSU defense saw a massive improvement in terms of F/+ ranking, taking it from one of the worse units in the country at 107th in 2009 to 41st.  Although statistics from 2007-2009 tell us that about half of the teams that experienced a greater than 10% defensive improvement in the prior year will actually regress the following year, there is good reason to think that Florida State’s unit will not find itself in this unfortunate half. With the loss of only three starters, an influx of quality depth, and another year in the strength and conditioning program and the system of coordinator Mark Stoops, all signs point to yet another defensive improvement for the Seminoles in 2011. I personally expect a top 25-unit on the defensive side of the ball, with the potential for an elite group that exceeds my expectation. A top 15 offense and a top 25 defense, along with what should be an outstanding special teams group, could have the 2011 FSU ball club among the nation’s best. 

With my unit expectations in mind, I now proceed to consider the hand the 2011 ‘Noles were dealt in their schedule. Let’s have a look. 

               Date

 Opponent

3-Sep

Louisiana-Monroe

10-Sep

Charleston Southern

17-Sep

Oklahoma

24-Sep

at Clemson

1-Oct

BYE

8-Oct

at Wake Forest

15-Oct

at Duke

22-Oct

Maryland

29-Oct

North Carolina State

 Thursday 3-Nov

at Boston College

12-Nov

Miami

19-Nov

Virginia

26-Nov

at Florida

My current win shares projections are at 8.93 total and 6.00 in conference. However, this 6.00 sits at almost a full game higher than the team I project as having the second highest in-conference win share in the Atlantic Division (Clemson at 5.10). When I consider my projections of NC State at 4.65 and Maryland at 4.45 conference wins, I can say that I expect Florida State to win the Atlantic Division. As I would currently favor FSU in a neutral-site setting over any of the Coastal Division teams, I can make the jump to claiming the ‘Noles as the ACC favorite. This would not be important here (as the conference title game isn’t a regular season game and therefore falls outside of the scope of this piece) except to forge the connection that allows me to state that I expect to find FSU in a BCS game this season. My current projections also favor the Seminoles against the in-state rivals, a fact that I know not to be lost on my compatriot fans. All of this is to be able to list my expectations that are true expectations, as opposed to goals, which would be a 14-0 national title run.

A.) Win the Atlantic Coast Conference

2.) Play in a BCS Game

D.) Beat Miami and Florida

So, what are the five games that will decide whether the ‘Noles will be able to meet these expectations?

5. @ Florida

After ending the nearly unbearable drought against the lizards last season, the ‘Noles will travel to Gainesville to face new coach Will Muschamp in late November. The UF cupboard is by no means bare. This Gator team has comparable talent to that of FSU; the question will be what the new coaching staff – particularly new offensive coordinator Charlie Weis – can get out of the players they have inherited. If Weis can coax a solid season out of much-maligned quarterback John Brantley in a pro-style offense, Florida could be quite a dangerous group by the time the Seminoles roll into town. I rank this game fifth in importance because it has no bearing on expectation A, but could be important in reaching expectation 2 and obviously in and of itself.

4. North Carolina State

In my second-most-important-ranked Atlantic Division matchup, Florida Sate will host the Wolfpack on the last weekend in October. The ‘Noles will be coming off of an important game with Maryland the previous week and will follow this game with a mere four days off before playing a Thursday night game in Chestnut Hill. My current in-conference win share projection for NCSU sits at 4.65, which is good for third in the Atlantic. I am higher on the ‘Pack than most. Tom O’Brien consistently produces solid offensive lines and units that play a methodic style alongside a similarly competent defense. Mike Glennon is a talented prospect with great size and a quality arm. While replacing a stud like Nate Irving will not be easy, NC State should again be a team that sits at the top half of the division. This is a game that I believe FSU really needs placed smack in the middle of a crucial three game Atlantic Division stretch.

3. Oklahoma

I know, I know. Gameday is in town. It’s a night game. It’s potentially the biggest out-of-conference game of the year. But stay with me here – is anybody really crushed by a loss to Oklahoma? Do you truly expect Florida State to win? If you answered yes, you may need to step to the left to our mobile Kool-Aid detox unit.  While a win over the #1 Sooners would make the Seminoles a darkhorse national title contender and would certainly aid in achieving expectation 2, neither a win nor a loss makes or breaks the season, in my mind. Florida State can’t win a National Championship without winning a conference championship. And, as has been discussed in TN threads on several occasions, the ‘Noles aren’t likely to make a BCS game without the ACC title, either. So while a win over the top team in the country in primetime would be great, I can’t call it the most important for Florida State’s 2011 season.

2. Miami

After dismantling Miami in South Florida last season, FSU will look to defend Doak Campbell on November 12th following a long rest period after a Thursday night tilt with Boston College on November 3rd. This will be a pivotal showdown for the ‘Noles for more reasons than the standard ramifications of a rivalry game. In terms of in-conference regular season games, Miami will field arguably the most or second-most talented team that Florida State will face this season. Much like Clemson, the ‘Canes feature a new coaching staff that makes the outcome of their season difficult to predict. If Al Golden can put together a system that plays to UM’s strengths, however, the Seminoles could find themselves in a serious dogfight in mid-November. The Hurricanes have a deep and talented offensive line and a stable of running backs. The key on offense will be the play of formerly inconsistent QB’s Jacory Harris and Stephen Morris. Miami’s defensive line is quite good, but questions at the cornerback position loom large. If UM’s offense can make life easy for its quarterbacks by playing to its strength in the running game and its defense can leverage obvious passing downs with a strong D-line, I could see the ‘Canes as an 8-9 win team. The question is if Golden can make it happen. A Florida State win would have them sitting pretty for a conference title game berth. I give the ‘Noles a 60% chance to win at home with over a week of rest.

1. @ Clemson

And now we come to it. Despite all attempts to rationalize and look at it in a positive light, this game is unfortunately scheduled for FSU’s part. A week after what will be one of the highest levels of hype imaginable for a regular season game (and before an impeccably scheduled bye week), the Seminoles will travel to Death Valley, a place in which they haven’t won in TEN years. Clemson features a very talented football team, although many of its offensive weapons are quite young, and excellent defensive coaching. However, there are some factors working in the ‘Noles favor. For as mad as we are at the ACC’s scheduling committee, Clemson faithful should be madder. Although the Tigers have an excellent chance to handle a depleted Auburn squad the week before, they will then travel to Virginia Tech after playing FSU. That’s an awful early-season stretch, especially when you consider that CU is in the process of installing a brand new offense with Chad Morris. This attack will be a HUNH (hurry up no huddle) spread look that Morris worked to great success at Tulsa. While our friends at Shakin The Southland have repeatedly explained that this offense is actually significantly less complex than the offense that Clemson has run in years past, it’s hard to believe that the Tigers will be a well-oiled machine by week four. Like Miami, Clemson is a wild card with real potential. Simply put, this game is crucial for Florida State. With a win the ‘Noles would pick up a conference game on the Tigers as well as the tiebreaker, meaning CU would have to be a game better than FSU over the eight game conference schedule. I don’t see that happening, even though it is incredibly difficult to predict Clemson’s season. I currently have the Seminoles at 60% to win and end the Death Valley drought (alliterative pun intended), making a trip to Charlotte in December very likely.

Recap:

As I have considered what I believe to be FSU’s most important games for the season, I have noticed several things that give me cause for optimism. The first of which is simply that I see the Seminoles as being favored in four of these five games and eleven of twelve on the year. Second, my first, second, and fifth ranked games in importance see the ‘Noles matched against teams with a new offense and new head coaches, respectively. Third, the Atlantic Division certainly seems to be FSU’s to lose. With a win share projection almost a full game above anyone else, the ‘Noles could conceivably lose to Clemson and still win the division, although with the potential of the Tigers, owning the tiebreaker will be important. Overall, I like Florida State to win the division and to have an excellent chance at playing in a BCS game.

The point of this exercise is to promote discussion. What are your thoughts, TN readers? What are your expectations for this year and which games are key in meeting them?

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Based on the returning team I expect another 10 win season. Maybe we get lucky and get a few breaks and do better than 10 wins. We are due for a few breaks.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 1:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yup.

And if the DLine pushes the pocket, rather than running wildly through it, we’ll be just fine. Also, there will be guys like Telvin and Christian facing the LOS, should the QB decide to go really mobile. I like that matchup, too.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgetting Oklahoma?

Landry Jones is plenty mobile. A couple years ago, he scared me more than Sam Bradford did because he could move and O who’s line was pretty bad that year.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Aug 16, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

....And beats him to death with it.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 17, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if I should be comforted by the fact

That he’d do it for fun – and not because someone would pay him to do it.

by Invictus13 on Aug 18, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Goals v. ExpectationsAll too often expectations are confused with goals and this can cause disillusionment with our team at the end of the season when unrealistic expectations are not met."

“All too often expectations are confused with goals and this can cause disillusionment with our team at the end of the season when unrealistic expectations are not met.”

I agree and my expectation in 2 losses.

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 16, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Besides the clemson game being right after OU

I’m most fearful of that BC game after only 4 days rest

Also, i’m confused of this line talking about NC state:

“This is a game that I believe FSU really needs placed smack in the middle of a crucial three game Atlantic Division stretch.”

Is this saying we should walk all over them?

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 16, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m also worried about the Clemson game. Being that I live 5 minutes from the campus I have to hear their krap all the time so it has a little extra meaning for me. But playing that game after OU is going to be tough mentaly as well as physicaly. Even if we loose to OU the question is where are our guys heads going to be at.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the Jimbo factor
where are our guys heads going to be?

they have been preparing for such head-placements since Jimbo took over, That’s why we should all appreciate our coach. The mental discipline aspect is a big part of the program now. We may nit win, but we will be mentally ready.

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Aug 16, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is this saying we should walk all over them?

I’m saying it’s a must-win sandwiched between two other important games with Maryland the week before and @BC a few days afterwards.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh ok, I read it differently

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 16, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Recruiting is the lifeblood and we're kicking ass right now.

Winning the conference is the #1 goal. But, there isn’t a single ACC game more important (by itself) than UF and UM. Keep winning the state, keep winning the recruiting. Those are #1 and #2, to me.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

True

I think winning the ACC will take care of everything else.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 1:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can certainly see that line of thinking

Personally, I put more stock into the relationships the coaches build with the prospects over months than the outcome of single games as the deciding factor on whether a recruit commits. But I’ll concede that it plays a role.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree with unless its a blowout like our wins were vs UF and UM.

Close wins and losses vs rivals wont sway recruits but beating a team to death is often a sign of deeper program issues. As was the case vs UF and UM this past season.

by cerebralfish on Aug 16, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

My five most important games of the season

5. Oklahoma: Exciting non-conference game, but it doesn’t affect conference play and shouldn’t make or break our season.
4. Miami: Second-most talented team FSU will face on the year, we’ll be in a fight but I like our chances with a few extra days to prepare.
3. UF: Like MonarchNole said, you beat Miami and UF you win the state, you win in recruiting. While we get somewhat of a bye playing Virginia before playing the Gators, we still have to travel to the Swawp, a place where FSU hasn’t won in 8 years.
2. Boston College: I wouldn’t be too worried about BC if we had a normal week of prep, but the four day rest is going to kill us and this game could be our Achilles Heel with BC being so physical.
1. Clemson: Right after the OU game, and while Clemson could be primed for a fall given that they probably beat the defending national champions the previous week, this game isn’t a gimme. FSU is a close second in terms of rivalry to Clemson only preceded by USCe, they will play us tough and FSU will be in a battle to win in Death Valley. Nevertheless, I’m confident we can end the streak.
I have my win shares at an even 9 wins.

"The helmet doesn't make you, you make the helmet"- Jimbo Fisher

by Matt Champion on Aug 16, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

I agree 1-5…or 5-1…however you want to look at it.

by Pinto on Aug 16, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those teams would be my five

Not sure on the order yet. Perhaps: CU #1 b/c of the division. I might put uf at #2 – they’re still our biggest rival, and a two year streak would continue to bolster our resurgent reputation. BC at #3, perhaps, b/c its a div foe on a short week – a slip there could be a factor in the div race (not likely if we have the h-2-h against CU, but maybe). UM at #4, since it’s a conf game against a rival – even if they win, though, we have a good chance to dominate them in the near future (esp if anything comes from this NCAA thing); what we might lose in recruiting currency in this game, we’ll probably get back soon enough. #5 = OU, but it is vital that we have a good showing. A blowout relegates us to a ton of “See, they’re not back AGAIN” criticism.

I’m not convinced this is the best order, but I’ll go with it for now.

by Invictus13 on Aug 16, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i get putting BC as one of the top 5 most losable, but is it top5 importance?

Clem-NCSU are most important towards winning the conf

UF-OU are most important on a natl scale

Mia is somewhere inbetween

by DixieNole on Aug 16, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NCSU game

will be important towards winning a conference championship and they will be tough, at the same time we should have beaten them last year if not for the infamous Ty Jones play fake fail. With BC, it is a thousand-mile roadtrip on short rest and a night game in November.

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by Matt Champion on Aug 16, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think BC is very important for the season from a toughness standpoint

That’s going to be one of the toughest games on our schedule because it’s being played on such short rest. By themselves BC’s a manageable team, but cut short the downtime and even a pushover team can be a bear.
FSU-Jacksonville State in ‘09 is the classic example: we played them on 4 days’ rest, and we struggled mightily for 58-1/2 minutes.

Sometimes the circumstances are against you excelling in a game and you have to do it anyway. BC looks like it’s going to be one of those “character-building” games.

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by Dogrel on Aug 16, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

So long as the rest of the season goes well

A win over Oklahoma would push FSU towards the top of the rankings and virtually guarantee a BCS bowl. It would look pretty good strength of schedule wise.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Aug 16, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know this has nothing to do with this article

BUT MY SEASON TICKETS JUST ARRIVED!!!!!!!!!!!! Good read though

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 16, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

lol.

my wife called and told me. She said “Now don’t leave work just to see them” Lol

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 16, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you could always

throw up some more :)

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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 16, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Win the Atlantic, beat our rivals

1. @UF
2. @Clemson
3. Miami
4. @BC
5. NC State

The OU is a HUGE game, but it doesn’t affect our season outside of national perception. Even if we lose to Clemson, we’re still favored to win the Atlantic. Beating UF in the Swamp making Jimbo 2-0 vs UF and 1-0 vs Muschamp WILL pay big recruiting dividends and send our team to Charolette with momentum.

by moneyNOLE24 on Aug 16, 2011 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

if we don’t beat Clemson then I don’t put much confidence in anyone else in the divison will knock them off.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Even so,

how much confidence do you put in Dabo to maintain those results throughout the season?

by BayNole17 on Aug 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll go ahead and stir the pot a little more

I’m not a recruiting guy by any means, but I think that a win over OU would pay bigger recruiting dividends than a win over UF. But, again, I don’t buy one game outcomes as causal factors behind a commitment.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 1:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Hum stir the pot you did……..but we don’t have recruting wars with OU. But loosing to UF hurts more IMO

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 1:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

UF is by far our biggest competition in recruiting.

That game has the biggest effect on recruiting, if any actually do.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's my thought though

A win over OU on that stage has recruits thinking, “Man, these guys are national title contenders,” whereas a win over a Florida team with a record like 7-4 is less impressive. Just my .02.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get your point and you may be right.

But, think about it the other way. An 10-1ish FSU loses to a 7-4ish UF.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

No reason to let uf write last year off as a fluke, or lay it all on Adazzio’s door. A win would prove that we’re back on their level.

by Invictus13 on Aug 16, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A win over UF puts FSU ahead of UF in every rational sense.

Not far ahead, but a clearly demonstrable win streak spanning the overhaul of BOTH programs.

Plus, we all get to say “SUCK IT, GATORS!!!”
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by DRusso97 on Aug 16, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

hilarious!!!!

Go Noles >>>-------->>>--------}}}----------------->

by hardcorenole on Aug 16, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hilarious!!!!

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by hardcorenole on Aug 16, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If we use games strictly as indicators of how good we are

I think in our minds we should most pull for a win verse OU. If we

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

well that was an incomplete thought

if we match up well with OU, its hard to see many remaining games that will be harder

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 16, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you're saying

OU will be something of a measuring stick. However, I think that this young team will improve throughout the season as the defense did last year.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you give us

60% on UM at home and 60% in Death Valley? Seems like 2 similar programs, just 1 at home and 1 away. And DV is WAAAY harder to play at. I give us 80% UM and 50% Clemson.

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 16, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Until we win consistantly @ Clemson I can dig that.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Miami's talent is a lot more experienced than Clemson's

And we play Miami late when they’ll be more comfortable in their system.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know but we are at home

and I have to give at east 10-20% away on that alone. Doak should be a mad house, and you know it will be a night game.

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 16, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I give it to DV

I have to give it to Doak also. Plus Clemson scars me way more than Miami. Especially now.

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 16, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Doak and all..

but I can’t in good faith say it compares to DV as far as homefield advantage is concerned. That stadium gets rowdy. Just MHO.

by SFLOnole on Aug 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 16, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is exactly

What i had in mind…80% chance winning against miami. The extra rest and prep for UM is huuggee, and its at home. Plus to me I just feel that if we took care of a coached up group of kids last year, our more experienced team agaisnt the same group of kids who (arent neccessarily more experienced because they have to press the restart button) are less coached up then they were last year, then I dont think that they will hold up well against us.

by LetsGoNoles on Aug 16, 2011 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We haven't beaten Miami in Doak since 2005.

Assuming Miami won’t lose any current players to Yacht-gate, they will put a talented team on the field in Tally. Do you really think that if we played that game 5 times we would win 4 of them?

by SDnole on Aug 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would argure

That with last year’s UM team, I would take 3 easy… I cant say how much we would take this year, but like I said I give us an 80% chance.

by LetsGoNoles on Aug 16, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

3/5 would be a 60% chance, 4/5 would be 80%

That’s the trick I use for helping put together win-shares predictions. If I had the computer play the game in Madden 5 or 10 times…

by SDnole on Aug 16, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

ouuu

I like that – I stand corrected! However, I said 3 easy, and didnt say we wouldn’t take 4…. but i see now where you are coming from

by LetsGoNoles on Aug 16, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's hard to tell because we don't know exactly what kind of offense they will field.

I’d have to say that last year’s game was not a blowout until late, so no I probably wouldn’t bet on 4 out of 5.

by FSUActuary on Aug 16, 2011 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the Clempson game is tougher, but marginally so.

To all the addicted gamblers out there: what does an 80% winning chance translate to, spread wise? Something way too high.

by The K-Man on Aug 16, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Do as Jimbo preaches

Play one game at a time….. defeat our opponent on the field of play!!!

and the rest will sort itself out…… Go Noles!!!!

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by pitbornagain on Aug 16, 2011 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Do we also get to have 1990’s Marvin Jones back too?? =)

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 16, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Old Shade Tree

Absolutely laying the wood!

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Aug 16, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well after rethinking that I would swap Clemson and Miami because Clemson in in out division.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is more in line with my thoughts.

I’d put OU at #3, though. As a “single game” importance higher than any ACC game.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just too old

I can’t buy into any game other than florida is the most important game of the year. Which is consistent with my desire to never move that game from the last game of the year.

I don’t wanna hear about BCS, national titles, none of that baloney.

Maybe it’s because though, I know that in the history of the FSU/uf series, in every season in which FSU has won, the worst record during that entire span was in 1978 at 8-3. Point is, if FSU beats UF, FSU has a great year. Always has, and I suspect, always will.

I just can’t be “logical or objective” about this issue. Attack at will.

by Sobering on Aug 16, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Nobody will disagree that beating uf is important

The various levels of game “importance” are discussed to pass the time in between beating them

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 16, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fine with me.

I have repeatedly been in favor of moving the UF game to give us an easier path into a yearly ACCCG situation, but I respect those who aren’t.

I know I’m fighting an uphill battle on this issue with many of the people here.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 16, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Top Five Games

1. Beat the Gators – Only a Conference or National Championship game is bigger. This year, or any other year.

2. Beat Miami – This is really a 1.B. I put Florida first only because I have to live with more of them.

3. Clemson

4. N.C. State

5. B.C.

 - These three are ranked by perceived (by me) threat to win the Atlantic if we slip up.

The Oklahoma game is huge if we win it, but it won’t hurt as bad if we lose it. That’s why I don’t put it in the top five.

Florida State 45 Miami 17
Florida State 31 Florida 7
State Champions
ACC Atlantic Division Champions

by SeminoleMike on Aug 16, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

The Clemson game has to be 1 or 2 because we have to go through them to get to the ACCCG.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 2:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this...

#1: If we win @ Jabba’s Palace then we go 2-0 vs the Gators. Mushchamp will be 0-1 and thats a big recruiting advantage. UF is the most important single game of the year. It also keeps FSU fresh on the SEC Radar. Moreso when we beat Bama for the NC.

#2: VT, we need to win the ACC. Making the ACCCG isnt enough this year. VT should be the team to beat.

#3-5: The ACC games, generally whoever is in the lead. We should win them all this year. I believe we are a better team then anyone in the ACC except possibly VT. UM and Clemson are close, but I still think we are slightly better.

by AntiCommie on Aug 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oklahoma

I know for a fact I’m in the minority here, but I think Oklahoma is the most important game of our season.

Here’s why. I think we’re one season away from truly being an elite, national title contender. I also think that we’re VERY close, but that we’re just not quite ready along the offensive line, at QB, nor at receiver to be mentioned in the same breath with the college football big boys. If we’re not close like I think we are the Oklahoma game is going to look a lot like last year’s. If we are what I think we are (nods to Dennis Green) then we’ll be very competitive with a shot to pull off the upset. I’m not even saying it is important that we win. But a blowout makes me rethink our current status in the college football landscape. I think we’re a rising star, but do we really know that for sure because we won 10 games in a lousy division in a pretty weak conference?

If I’m wrong and the Oklahoma game turns into another blood bath then the rest of the season is going to be a let down for me personally. I don’t think an ACC crown really signals a “we’re back” moment by itself. If I’m right, and we’re just an eyelash away then let’s be honest, we SHOULD be able to win the ACC this year.

So I guess the Oklahoma game is the most important to me because I don’t see the other games as being that significant towards our ultimate goal of getting back into the national picture. Wake won this conference not too long ago. Virginia Tech has been riding atop the conference the last couple of years. ACC titles by themselves just don’t do it.

So my top 5 games are as follows:

1. Oklahoma
2. Florida (as much talent as anyone in college football)
3. Miami (got to stick it to Golden early and often)
4. Clemson
5. BC (I HATE Thursday night games. Got to find a way to survive this one).

  

by amcconna on Aug 16, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I can see what your saying though. It is a valad point.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am with you on this one.

OU is the most important game to me. Here are my reasons.
A. Every recruit we are interested in, or that is interested in us will be there, show them a good atmosphere and that FSU is back.
2. If we won, the last 4 games would sell out=$ and nice atmosphere.
D. If we get passed OU with a win, we will be favored in every game we play after that. That sounds pretty sweet.

by Blake Davis on Aug 16, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear you and agree with some of this

For me, the first steps toward this ultimate goal are winning the conference and playing in a BCS game for the first time since 2005, though. I don’t think the OU result has any bearing on next season.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its all about the ACC

Beating OU and losing to Clemson doesnt really send the message that were “back.” I understand what youre saying though. OU is a huge game for all of the reasons you stated, but its just one game. We need to consistently win the ACC and a BCS Bowl, then well be “back”

So I guess the Oklahoma game is the most important to me because I don’t see the other games as being that significant towards our ultimate goal of getting back into the national picture.

Winning in a AQ conference puts you in the national picture

>>>─────;;─►

by NorFla_Nole on Aug 16, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will add one thing

Games used to be regional. Now with National TV and ESPN playing the highlights of the game esp, a game in matching the top ten, about 200 times on Saturday night, this game becomes a symbol for the year. Lose that game and our National spotlight will dim, significantly.

by rspknole1 on Aug 16, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see us necessarily having to worry about a national spotlight yet.

It would be nice to win it, yes, but to me this year has more to do with us us taking care of business in our own conference.

If we can only achieve one goal, that’s the one I want this year. Let HD and the other ESPN bloggers worry about the prestige of the ACC on a national stage, I just want us to be the class of the ACC, whatever that might be.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 16, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

We're ranked top 5.

In the national spotlight, like it or not.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

National spotlight is bright already

We are the standard bearer for the ACC, we must win the ACC and bring it on to establish the credibility. We left it to VA TECH and they lost, we left it to clumpson and they lost. It is in our hands-WE MUST DELIVER.

by rspknole1 on Aug 16, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we lose to Clemson, UF or UM, the national spotlight's gonna dim just as much. Maybe more so.

Look, I was in school when we were in the national spotlight every year, so I get it.
But this little game of putting pressure on ourselves to pull off a minor miracle when we haven’t even played a game yet is never going to do anybody any good. We need to get through our conference unscathed before worrying about the national scene, no matter what ESPN thinks.

We don’t necessarily “need” to be the standard bearer for the ACC, the Atlantic Division, Football in the South, the State of Florida, anything or anybody other than FSU. And we didn’t “leave” the standard to be picked up by VT or clemson, either-we just weren’t very good then. Maybe we’ll be that good this year, but who knows? That’s why they play the games.

Look, OU is a team that we can look at and honestly say they are more complete than FSU is right now. Of course it would be nice to win, but of all of our games, that’s the one I think it’s reasonable to expect us to lose. I’m not worried about our team’s effort level-I know Jimbo’s gonna have us ready and we’re gonna play hard-but sometimes, their team is just better than yours is, and that’s the way I feel about OU.
In the bigger scheme of things, it’s still an OOC game.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 16, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minor miracle?

I give us about a 50-50 chance in that game. That’s far from a miracle, even minor. This FSU team should be one of the top 5 or 6 in the country. Writing off a game against #1, at home, is silly. Should they have the more complete team? Yes, but not by a lot. Should they have a significant advantage in any phase of the game? Not at all.
Just because we haven’t won the conference in 5 years doesn’t mean we should only shoot for that.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not the one game, a season where we win every game.

I was unclear. I meant our chances of running the table and getting into the NCG, which is what I thought he was referring to. I do consider that a minor miracle with this team. This year’s schedule is just not set up for it.

As for the OU game, I have our shot at 35%. If we win it’d be great, but like I said, I’m not expecting it. They have a new OC and maybe that will hurt their performance, but until we know for sure it’s reasonable to assume they’ll still have the edge on us.

Of course we should shoot for the stars. Like DK said up top, the goal is always to win every game. But to have it as an expectation? That’s unreasonable and it’s what I was objecting to.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 16, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fail

I’m not even saying it’s important to win the game. I just think it’s important that we’re competitive. A close loss doesn’t mean we’re not heading in the right direction. A blow out loss ala 2010 would be very bad.

by amcconna on Aug 16, 2011 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not really

I was kind of surprised at it-I thought we’d be around 8 or 9, personally-but I’m not out to punish us for being too successful, nor do I stay awake at night fretting about it.

It is what it is, and it’s nice that we have it, but a preseason poll ranking really doesn’t mean that much to me either way.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 17, 2011 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ranking itself is not what I was asking

I was asking about the quality of the team. I’ve got us favored in every game, except OU. And that one’s a toss up, IMO. On each game day I’ll expect us to win. Or course, that doesn’t mean I think we’ll win every game…..if that makes any sense.

I get what you’re saying. I just think we will be one of the legitimate, best 5-6 and I expect us to play like it.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 17, 2011 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have us favored in almost every game as well.

 Like I said above, I have our chances against OU at 35%, but we’re favored in all others except for UF, which I put at 50-50. No doubt my other percentages are a little smaller than most others here, though.
But that’s just me-I’m a pessimist when it comes to preseason polling. Or at least it looks that way when I do the PWS schedules. It could also mean that I haven’t mastered the percentage:point spread relationships yet, too.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 17, 2011 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

OU isn't the most important game for one reason

If you win, you look great. If you lose, you lost to a higher ranked team that was supposed to beat you and you won’t be faulted as much for that loss as any other loss on the season.

TEXAS FIGHT

by Darklust on Aug 16, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally get what you are saying...

We are taking a slightly different approach to the question though. You speak in terms of “looking great” or “not being faulted”. Put another way, you are ranking your most important games in terms of national perception. At this point I don’t really care about national perception. We’ve been overranked the majority of the last 10 years because of our national perception. Now I want to see it with my own two eyes. Do we have the capability of hanging with a team that is elite? If not, then I’m going to be sorely disappointed.

As an aside, I think you are also assuming that we’re going to be competitive against Oklahoma. I’m just not sure yet, and that might be why I’m placing so much importance on Oklahoma. I think you would agree that we will absolutely be “faulted” if Oklahoma blows our doors off in Tallahassee.

by amcconna on Aug 17, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see us losing a conference game.

I know Clemson, BC and Miami will all certainly be tough games but we are more talented and stable than all of these teams and SHOULD NOT lose a conference game. It is so tough doing this whole proportional win shares thing because it makes you take the season (or conference season) as a whole, as opposed to going game by game, as Jimbo likes to do. I know it makes sense to analyze the season as a whole but going game by game, barring injury or horrible luck, we should be 11-1 (8-0) heading into the ACCCG.

FTR
1. @Clemson
2. Miami
3. @Florida
4. Oklahoma
5. @BC

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Aug 16, 2011 2:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

But......

We always seem to drop a game or 2 that we have no business droping.

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sure, that is well documented BUT

Not so fast my friend!

That’s the same argument that idiot writers who talk about how FSU sucking in the last decade makes them a liability to be a disappointment going into the future make. EVERYTHING has changed at FSU since the lost decade, the process is in place and in full churn and were one of, if not THE most talented and deep teams in the country. Our coaches coach and teach modern principles. We’ve traditionally dropped games that we had no business even letting the other team compete in, but times have changed! We are better than every team on our schedule besides Oklahoma and MAYBE Uf could be equally talented if they really pull it together.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Aug 16, 2011 3:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This is why the proportional win shares are so good

FSU is capable of winning each game on the schedule. Is FSU capable of winning all of the games on the schedule? It’s tough to win that many games – even if favored in all of them.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which I suppose is where taking everything in stride and keeping a team humble and focused comes in.

If you can keep a team playing like every game is the MNC, then each week is it’s own season worth of proportional win shares and no week has any bearing on the next (sans injury and bad luck – both of which are totally random). When comparing to gambling, hitting a parlay is much harder than any single game (obviously, due to multiplying probabilities) but I just think were significantly better than most of the teams were playing.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Aug 16, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Think of it like rolling dice

The odds of rolling boxcars is 1/36. If you roll one time you are unlikely to get it. But what if you rolled 50 times? In 50 rolls that unlikely event is probably going to occur.

Now instead of rolling boxcars, your unlikely event is an FSU loss. If they are huge favorites in every ACC game and are 80% likely to win, they still have a 1/5 chance of losing. Over the course of 8 games, that unlikely event is probably going to occur. Not because they lost to a better team, but simply because they got bad luck (injuries, tipped balls, bad bounces, bad calls, playing in a tropical storm against UAB, etc.).

by SDnole on Aug 16, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's no denying yhat

And that’s why I hate looking at the season as a whole. The only difference between the dice and our team (although your logic regarding the probability holds 100%) is that our team is so much more talented than most of our opponents and this should make up for bad luck – so barring catastrophic luck, we shouldn’t have those hiccups, they should just be closer than they ought to be. I don’t think Alabama expects to lose a game because they are elite and while we will be moreso at that level next year, were not ranked #5 for no reason at all.

"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher

by Sem1nole on Aug 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

In the last 10 years, yes

Not so much during the dynasty. And we’re getting back to that level. (We won’t be quite as dominant b/c the ACC is overall more talented, but our talent level is elite again.) With far better coaching than we had during the Lost Decade, we shouldn’t expect/accept a couple oopsie games every year.

by Invictus13 on Aug 16, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

DK, Good debating points that have no right or wrong answers, just opinions. REC.

What I try to keep in mind, that I see forgotten in comments all too often, is that each game should be viewed in it’s own universe and what happened in the last game is irrelevant to what is going to happen this week or in the future. A win over #1 OU does not mean we are the best team in the country or that we will even win the division or conference, and while it will be nice to tell a recruit we beat the #1 team, chances are that recruit is not considering OU, but rather FSU, UF, or UM.

Despite the goal being to win the NC, our next goal, which is MY expectation for this 2011 team, is for them to:
A) Win the division handily,
2) To win the ACC conference championship. This will
D) Get us to a BCS bowl, which will
VIII) Give us a head start in the level of respect for next year which will be our best NC chance in the past 8 years.

Beating OU and UF would go a long way in helping us attain our ultimate goal (NC), but those OOC games will not have a bearing on whether we go play in the BCS Orange Bowl for the first time in 6 years.

With that said, my top 5 are:
1. Clempsun
2. scUM
3. Turds
4. OU
5. BC

Since I think we will win the division, I am not too concerned about some of our division rivals except Clempsun and BC, which is a trap game.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 16, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

if your goal is undefeated and a natl title, i get including BC

if your goal is ACCCG and BCS game, i dont see BC as a top5 game. I get how losable it will be but it only becomes top5 in my mind if you think BC can challenge for the division. So is BC a 6conf win squad? Is NCSU? I would say no and yes… So if no for BC, then NCSU is more important… imo.

by DixieNole on Aug 16, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree; in fact, if the goal is ACC CG and BCS bowl

Then BC should certainly be included: CU, NCSt, BC, Mary, and UM (I think WF would be a default win, but we could swap UM out for them… esp depending on how many players take the field for UM this year, haha).

Any team in the division with a chance to beat us should be listed under those parameters – UM because they are a conf game, and more likely to beat us than WF (or Duke).

by Invictus13 on Aug 18, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I cannot say however that someone needs to detox if they think FSU can beat Oklahoma

That’s not what I said. I said you may need a detox if you expect a win against OU.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 16, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

clever line

I laughed out loud in my living room

SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...

by 939909 on Aug 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS IS

the best post I’ve ever seen. Get em’ Doc!!

by LetsGoNoles on Aug 16, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

From an average, casual, obtuse, unknowledgable fan

You think we have a chance to beat OU if Matias or Jackson have to play meaningful snaps in that game??

by thejourney on Aug 16, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

haven't logged in

in a long time, but did just to REC… Good to see you havent put down your guns Doc!

SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...

by 939909 on Aug 16, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got off on a tangent there

I forgot to say there are only three teams with a chance of defeating FSU this year, Ou, Clemson (there OC has credibility) and Florida. Florida’s chances I must say however are remote unless Cholly is a wizard because neither of their lines match up with ours. FSU also has an edge in skill players.

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson

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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 16, 2011 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL

Cholly…..I like that

by NOLEisticscience on Aug 16, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jolly Cholly?

He looks a bit like another jolly man… esp if we put him in red.

by Invictus13 on Aug 16, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Received I should have phrased that better and stand corrected ;)

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson

"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 16, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bring on the detox as I do expect FSU to win however

The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson

"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman

by DocHoliday2 on Aug 16, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I think this is a great topic, DK.

I can see good points in just about every differing opinion. I think it’s also interesting to think about “what if’s” leading up to each important game. For examples: what if we’re 3-0 going to Clemson? A loss there comes with a ready-made excuse (from a national perception). What if we’re tied for the conference lead going into BC? That game becomes the most important to date. What if we lose to Clemson and still win the ACC? That loss loses all significance.

I think the “what-if’s” get thrown out and there is no conditional importance on the UF and UM games.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Not if...
What if we lose to Clemson and still win the ACC? That loss loses all significance.

Not if we have won every other game having beaten OU and UF and should be playing in the MNC except for the loss to CU – it would be quite significant at that point – even if still living up to expectations.

by WaimeaNole on Aug 16, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well,

if Clemson is our only loss, chances are very good we’ll be playing for the “National Championship”, not some stupid MNC. In fact, it doesn’t matter who our loss is to, if there’s only one…we’re likely playing for the title. So, from your point, every game is of nearly equal importance.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether for the MNC or the NC

I don’t think a 1 loss team from the ACC is getting in. Perhaps if Clemson has only 2 losses some will be able to make the argument. But there will almost assuredly be at least 1 undefeated team and a 1 loss from SEC, PAC72, or Big23 will get in ahead of us.

by WaimeaNole on Aug 16, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's where pre-season ranking helps

Let’s say we only lose one, and not to OU. That means two of the four teams ahead of us have a loss (OU and LSU/Oregon), leaving only two possible undefeated’s…Bama and LSU/Oregon. Bama and LSU play in the regular season…scratch one of those two, leaving only Oregon and Bama or LSU as the possible undefeated’s that started the year ahead of us. Our schedule will be every bit as attractive, from a difficulty standpoint as Oregon’s and if they lose to LSU, coupled with an FSU win over OU, we’ll jump them right away. Could a surprise team jump up and overtake a one-loss FSU? Not likely. We’d be battling the SEC champ and maybe Oregon for one of the two spots in the championship game. I’ll take the bet that we’d get in over Oregon.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pre-season ranking does help

but you can’t just think about the 4 teams above us and the guarantee in this scenario that two of them lose before we do and we move up to 1, 2, or 3. You also have to consider the teams below us who will jump us when we lose the next week to Clemson. Is it within the realm of possibility? Yes. In fact, I think it is the most likely situation where a 1-loss FSU gets in (also provided VPI is entering the ACCCG with 0 or 1 loss). However, is it likely? I don’t think so.

by WaimeaNole on Aug 16, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm confused.

You say a one-loss FSU is likely to get in, but that is unlikely? The whole point you argued was that if Clemson was our only loss it would keep us out of the National Championship. Mine, was that it probably wouldn’t. And yes, starting the preseason ranked in the top 5 and ending with only one loss, puts us at an advantage over any one-loss teams that started below us.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 things

1) I was conceding, in a sense, that if it were to happen – a 1-loss FSU getting in – this would be the most likely loss to allow it, IMO.

2) What is a guarantee that those teams that started a little below us have a loss?

by WaimeaNole on Aug 16, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

However, I am stating that

I don’t think even this scenario will allow it

by WaimeaNole on Aug 16, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I'm simply stating that

in this specific scenario, that you picked, FSU would be the most likely one-loss team to get in.

Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

My top 5

Honorable Mention-OU. It’s huge, but it’s ultimately outside of our conference. As much as I love games with national implications, the CFB world has changed. Under the BCS, if we win our conference, the national implications will take care of themselves.
5-UF. Bragging rights mean a lot, but conference games mean more. As much as I hate the Gates, this game is not, and should not be, the end-all, be-all of our season. I love bragging rights, but we have bigger fish to fry in-conference.
4-UM Take the bragging rights for the UF game and add conference implications. I don’t care that they’re in a worse spot, program-wise, than the Gators. As long as we’re in the ACC, this should be more important to us.
3-NC State. Tommy Boy’s teams always play us hard, and we lost a squeaker to them last year. We need to get that monkey off of our back. A big win that allows us to spell our starters would be even better.
2-BC. Perhaps our toughest game of the year, because of our horrible in-season scheduling. BC always plays us hard, and we play them in Chestnut Hill on 5 days’ rest. You know what other game we played on 5 days’ rest? Jacksonville State.
1-Clemson. Some think Dabo’s gonna be Dabo. Maybe, but then again, maybe Chad Morris will be Chad Morris and Dabo won’t need to second-guess him to try to get ahead. Their tilt against Auburn should be much easier on them than our game against OU should be on us, too. This is an absolute must-win.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 16, 2011 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree with DK on all but uf/OU

5. OU – not that important for A, 2, D but a big game on the national stage and good measuring stick. Regardless of the outcome, the season is plenty long for us to take a turn in either direction.
4. NC State – only above BC because don’t I think they will be in the conf champ picture, therefore not an essential win. I also expect us to handle them (finally have depth!) and Thursday’s be damned.
3. uf – the big in state rivalry deal, recruiting, etc. With only 69 players on scholarship I’m hoping they are beat to hell by the end of Nov (see us in 2010).
2. um – same as above & conf. implications. Also, need to reestablish ourselves against them in Doak.
1. Clemson – Death Valley losing streak, maintain momentum or turn things around (depending on week before), division tie-breaker. Lots on the line here and it will be important to see how we fare with 2 tough games in a row with a potential shift to the SEC on the horizon. I am more optimistic than .60 here as I think facing 3 of 4 HUNH offenses to start the season will give our D ample time to prepare for their probably-not-yet acclimated offense. I like a pick 6 by LJ or XR & NOL coming up big in this game.

You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!

by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Aug 16, 2011 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree for the most part...

I think you have the perfect perception of a realistic season in relation to importance each week. I DO think that 2 and 3 should be flipped, just because of the relation to other weeks, i.e. Clemson the week after…For the most part this team should control most games, but not all games are a lock. Great post. Go Noles!

by FSU&SC on Aug 16, 2011 4:53 PM EDT reply actions  

My thoughts...

5-BC: If we lose another Thursday night game on 4 days rest I might cause harm to ACC scheduling officials, causing me to serve a long prison sentence. Prison would suck, so this is an important game to win.
4-OU: A win gives us the chance at a number one ranking. Regardless of how long we hold it, that is important.
3-UF: First, it’s UF. Second, it’s important for recruiting. Third, we are only favored by about 2 pts. We will be expected to win, but it’ll be a tough game.
2-UM: First, it’s UM. Second, it is our 2nd toughest conference game.
1-Clemson: Biggest Atlantic threat.

by SDnole on Aug 16, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Made me snicker....
Prison would suck, so this is an important game to win.

by WaimeaNole on Aug 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows,

you might get to share a prison cell with Shapiro and swap Miami hate stories.

by stevib on Aug 16, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

I like our odds against OU more than Clemson, call me crazy, but I’ve been in Death Valley and that atmosphere is unreal. Our boys have been waiting a year to get sweet, sweet revenge on the Boomer Boners. I know this is unrealistic and we go over be grounded. But call me crazy, the Noles will not come out flat and are gonna suprise some people. Now playing Clemson on the road at night on short rest, thats got me much more scared than a night show down at Doak.

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Aug 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Both will be very tough.

We should not be disappointed to come out of that 1-1.

by SDnole on Aug 16, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since When is the Clempsun game at night?

I thought we had figured it for a 3:30 start

The Funk Phenomenon.

by willdabeast on Aug 16, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

We did. Mid-afternoon is still the most likely scenario.

But it’s not official. We won’t know the official kickoff time until after the OU game.

"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County

"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra

by Dogrel on Aug 16, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

We both win

We both win and you bet it will be a night game. I’m not going to that game, damn If I still lived in Tally I’d make a few more road games like that one!

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Aug 18, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to decide on the 5 “most important games” depends on several things. If we are talking in terms of this year only, then I would tend to agree with the author of this thread.
Long term, I would tend to agree with the sentiment that recruiting begins to be a more important factor although I think beating our rivals doesn’t have nearly the impact in head to head recruiting battles that we are lead to believe.
For most of us that live in Florida, the intra state games mean bragging rights( for those so inclined) and for the others it translates into not having to endure the constant barbs of those that have chosen to follow inferior programs.
I live in Florida and have siblings and in-laws that are reptile lovers. I tend not to rub our victories in their faces but they certainly don’t reciprocate my goodwill. Beating UF means our family get togethers are much more congenial and therefore I would put this game in the top two.
If I had to chose winning the game that meant winning our conference division or championship over beating the lizards then I would opt for conference game.
I would also prefer to beat the Gators over beating the Canes because of the aforementioned family situation. From a non emotional perspective I would feel the same way. UF looks to be more dangerous for the next couple of years and a loss to UM this year will be repaid for at least the next two years (and by lopsided scores). Also keep in mind that if we have major conference realignments, the Gators will try to impede us in any way possible and we will be in the same boat as UM in this respect.
As far as Oklahoma is concerned the only way a victory in that game matters to me is if we win our conference championship. Otherwise it will be remembered as an upset at the end of the season. Temporary euphoria for sure but an abberation if we don’t follow with at least an appearance in the conference championship game, A loss I can live with so long as it’s reasonably close. Otherwise it just cements the perception we’re in a weak football conference.
Trying to name the “most important games” depends on so many factors.
Short term or long term viewpoints. Emotional or logical perspectives. Conference championships and BCS bowls. What’s most important to you will determine your ranking.

by law74 on Aug 16, 2011 6:13 PM EDT reply actions  

My top 5

I ranked these on how upset I’d be if we lost. So I’d be more upset if we lost #4 than #5 for example…

5. BC- 4 days rest? WTF nonsense
4. Clempshun- I just don’t think they’ll have their offense installed to really challenge us but it’s a big game
3. OU- It’s a massive game to me. I’ll be there and it’s at night. I want national recognition damnit! This gets us some.
2. scUM- It’s Miami I hate them they can rot.
1. UF- I don’t understand these revisionist notions that UF isn’t the most important game on the sched. I mean even now they’re trying to dick us over by block us entry into the SEC. They try to siphon off State funds every few years. Screw them they can all burn damnit.

The Funk Phenomenon.

by willdabeast on Aug 16, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

go look at Tomahawknation Twitter.

read back for a for a few hours.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 16, 2011 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

And crap, thought I was in UM death thread.

still, go to the twitter.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 16, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think that there's a good chance the Miami game just got a lot easier.

Names released – current “U” players named as beneficiaries before “Little Luke” got his Teddy Dupay-looking ass toted off to the jailhouse:

Ray-Ray Armstrong
Travis Benjamin
Dyron Dye
Marcus Forston
Jacory Harris
Aldarius Johnson
JoJo Nicolas
Adewale Ojomo
Marcus Robinson
Sean Spence
Vaughn Telemaque
Olivier Vernon

If they pull a UNC and find themselves even without just those guys this year – stick a fork in them. That’s most of their best players (Johnson, Telemaque, Spence, Vernon, Armstrong, Fortson, Benjamin, etc.).

by lawdy15 on Aug 17, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions  

agree

the question is will UM take the high road and suspend those players. if so, for how long? 5 games? if so they’ll be back in time for us.

by noledoc1 on Aug 18, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have to suspend them, I'd think

Maybe not for the season, though. But without some type of punishment, every game they play in will likely be vacated (if won) or forfeited (personally, if the coach knowingly plays ineligible players, I think that’s cause for forfeiture).

by Invictus13 on Aug 18, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

  1. BC
    #4OU
    #3UM
    #2UF
    #1CU
    I got BC 5 cause it’s Thurs night and we know how that’s gone over the years. OU 4, ESPN coverage against the #1 team. UM 3. Still our rival, conference game, and the whole “wounded dog” aspect. Miami might be down but I think they’ll get up for this game.UF next.Our big instate rival on and off the field, win recruiting first then you win the state, and most likely an at-large BCS bid, and finally CU#1 this game can determine the division leading to the ACCCG

by FSU24 on Aug 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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