Lamarcus Joyner's Gut
So by now many of you have seen the amazing size that was put on by our football players during the offseason. Christian Jones is just nasty, Datko has put on more than 50 pounds since arriving as a freshman, Jeff Luc has shed that useless muscle, and then there is Lamarcus Joyner. At first glance at his stomach you might think that he is attending every single keg party in Tally or that he is becoming a fast food junkie. But for anyone who has tried to bulk up and put on a lot of weight in a short period of time would know that it isn't easy and that it is accompanied by a gut. I myself have worked out and put on 15 pounds in almost 2 weeks. It requires three things, lifting hard and lifting heavy, good supplements including anything that will raise your t-levels, and being on the seefood diet. No I didn't spell that wrong, to put on weight you have to eat everything healthy in sight. Every 3 hours you should be eating something small.
Anyone who knows anything about putting on weight will tell you that gut is inevitable when bulking up. The reason being is because know matter how much you work out it is the food that fuels your body and promotes mass bulk. When I saw that gut I thought wow Vic is really speeding up his weight gain. We now know that Joyner will be playing saftey instead of corner. Therefore he is going to need some more weight behind his hits to ensure the runner goes down and even out. As good as a tackler that Joyner is he still stood out as being rather mini last year. Also considering the fact that the position switch was rather recent explains why Joyner has such a big gut. He had to put the weight on and put it on fast. No matter what you do you are going to have a gut if you put on the weight fast.
I am not concerned or displeased with this though. In fact, I think it is the right move. Playing saftey requires some extra strength and size that Joyner frankly never had. He has that gut now but if you look closely it isn't a beer gut, it is a ton of water weight and food just sitting above his abdominal muscles. It doesn't hang or droop but he looks rather bloated. I'm sure that once he starts practicing more and with the beginning of the season coming that his stomache will continue to shrink as the season goes along. So consider this offseason a bulking stage for Joyner while the actual season will be his cutting stage. It may cause his body to be sligthly sluggish and will absoluetly limit his playing time with condintioning and endurance. But that isn't a big issue this year considering the amazing depth we have at the position this year. This will really set Joyner up for being a Bob Sanders type player for his Junior and hopefully Senior year for the Noles. Once he gets through the big gut face and his weight spreads out he will lose that gut eventually and he will be able to bring the lumber while covering the field like a hawk.
I think the staff is putting him in the perfect position to succed not only now but also down the line when it comes to time for the NFL. Think Ahmad Black from the gators, as good as he was in college he was looked down upon by NFL scouts because of his lack of size. If Joyner can bulk up and get up to a solid and lean 195+ without losing much speed the guy is going to be in a prime position to play on Sundays. This will only make our recruits notice and continue the recent success that the Noles are having.
Cheers and I can't wait for the season to begin!!! Go noles!
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I thought the G in "Gut" was an O
and got scared
Gut Posts...super.
Can we have a post that analyzes LCP24’s mohawk?
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by ricobert1 on Aug 16, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lord that's good.
Someone post that on twitter for him to see. He’d freaking eat that up.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by the gut metric
I must be a better player than LJ :)
by StM on Aug 16, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The title gets you a....
C’MON, MAN!
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 16, 2011 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think you know what you are talking about....
Just because you are trying to put on solid pounds doesn’t mean you eat just anything. I’m sure they had him in the “Weight Gainers” category but I doubt they said “Okay, Lamarcus go out and eat everything” To put on solid size you have to eat the right foods. More Protein, and More Carbs. They way they burn fat they probably had Lamarcus eating close to 6,000 calories a day. And as far as supplementation is concerned…. I seriously doubt they had him taking any testosterone booster. I think that is against NCAA Regulations. Florida State Football is sponsored by Muscle Milk. They have a full range of supplement products, but I doubt they had him (or any other one of our athletes) taking anything but Protein and a Mass Gainer. You are right about the gut, that will come with it. But putting on 15 lbs in 2 weeks is ridiculous. You didn’t put on the right weight, and you are fulling yourself if you think otherwise. There is a difference between being a gym rat and an educated gym rat. I liked your article but you might be giving people some wrong information.
by DecidedSchematicAdvantage on Aug 16, 2011 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
I thought he said "eat everything healthy".
Reminds me something of the South Beach diet. Good carbs and good fats, mixed with a healthy dose of protein and as much as your body wants to have.
by FSUActuary on Aug 16, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah,
15lb’s of muscle in a week only works in the Rocky flicks…
Adding muscle without putting on fat is difficult but doable- tho perhaps not as effective as if fat gain wat not a concern. I think he hit the nail on the head tho with the “shed weight throughout the season.” Sounds like an Old Jimbo adage, "err on the side of caution (bigger)
SOOoo, I joined TN in '09... I didn't actually think we'd win the 'ship or anything...
you guys don't read well do you....
15 lbs not 15 lbs of muscle there is a hugeee difference. Most people are lucky if they can put on 1 or 2 lbs of muscle a month.
No it isn't
Nobody can put on 15 lbs of muscle in a week. You can put on 15 pounds but 90% of that will be water weight and fat. It is impossible to put on that much MUSCLE in a week. There is no drug in the world that can manufacture those results. Maybe if you steal that machine from Captain America you can!
I'm a little offended by your title of your post because.....
If you read it more closely I never referred to Lemarcus taking t-level boosters or being on a “Seefood” diet directly. It was what I was doing not Lemarcus I never directly involved his name as doing it. I simply claimed that for myself to put on 15 lbs in one week that is what I had to do. Not once did I say that he is probably taking roids or that he is probably eating anything and everything. Please read what I said more closely. Also I put on 15 pounds in 2 weeks and I never claimed that it was all muscle or that it was the right weight. I was bulking, you tell me on person who can bulk and put on all the right weight. It doesn’t happen that way buddy.
I can't tell you how many times I have went back to delete his first name.....
I think we should change his name to Hollywood Marcus because we all know he is going to be a star!
I didn't mean to offend you...
I enjoyed reading what you wrote, but I just thought some of what you said was misleading. I’m one of those guys that walks into a gym and if I see someone doing a lift wrong I cringe. Thats just how I am, the same goes for Diet and Supplementation. The general public doesn’t really know how these things work. They think “Protein Powders” put on weight and they think Testosterone boosters are steroids. That kinda crap. I just wanted to give a second opinion. Guess I could have titled the post differently. Good to know someone else here on the board workouts seriously.
by DecidedSchematicAdvantage on Aug 18, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saying I think you misinterpreted what I said
Never did I say Lamacrus did that. I Just said that is what I did, not Lamarcus. I just don’t like when people twist my words and claim that I said that because I never said that nor intended to. I am a terrible writer so If my writing mislead you then I’m sorry but if it is because you misread it… read it again I guess. There is a difference between 15 pounds and 15 pounds of muscle, which I’m sure you know. Maybe you just assumed that was what I meant idk….
I never said 15 pounds of muscle.
I said 15 Pounds. 15 Pounds of anything in two weeks is unhealthy.
by DecidedSchematicAdvantage on Aug 18, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sorry
I got you and another post mixed up, sorry about that.
Can we have an exercise physiologist
Weigh in on burning question? ;-)
NoleDoc
See ya later gator hater
In a bowl, Seminole!
Depending on the individuals initial body type (mesomorph, ectomorph, endomorph)
they will put on weight in different ways. Having said that, no matter what type of body type you have, it is nearly impossible (without the use of PEDs) to put on even 5 pounds of real, good weight in a week, let alone two (putting on 5 lbs in 2 weeks would be the equivalent of putting on 130 lbs in a year!). Realistically, a player can put on 15-20 pounds of pure muscle if their workout and diet are maximized. Putting on weight as quickly as lamarcus was required to (and did) means that he put on a TON of water weight (which I would assume is from creative supplementation and weight gainer) and undoubtedly a few pounds of fat. Working out hard and eating a TON of calories will put weight on quickly but unless the calories are lowered to a more realistic level (~5000) then that gut will certainly be a result (he probably was consuming >6000 cals a day). Had he had a year to put the weight on, he still would’ve increased his calorie intake but far less than what he did eat and therefore the fat gain (gut) would likely never have appeared. Putting on lean muscle is hard, especially in a short period of time, as that defies the bodies natural anatomy.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
by Sem1nole on Aug 17, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Depending on the individuals initial body type (mesomorph, ectomorph, endomorph)
they will put on weight in different ways. Having said that, no matter what type of body type you have, it is nearly impossible (without the use of PEDs) to put on even 5 pounds of real, good weight in a week, let alone two (putting on 5 lbs in 2 weeks would be the equivalent of putting on 130 lbs in a year!). Realistically, a player can put on 15-20 pounds of pure muscle if their workout and diet are maximized. Putting on weight as quickly as lamarcus was required to (and did) means that he put on a TON of water weight (which I would assume is from creative supplementation and weight gainer) and undoubtedly a few pounds of fat. Working out hard and eating a TON of calories will put weight on quickly but unless the calories are lowered to a more realistic level (~5000) then that gut will certainly be a result (he probably was consuming >6000 cals a day). Had he had a year to put the weight on, he still would’ve increased his calorie intake but far less than what he did eat and therefore the fat gain (gut) would likely never have appeared. Putting on lean muscle is hard, especially in a short period of time, as that defies the bodies natural anatomy.
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
by Sem1nole on Aug 17, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
*Put on 15-20 pounds IN A YEAR*
and sorry for the double post
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
by Sem1nole on Aug 17, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not a nutritionist or physiologist
but I have to disagree that putting on five lbs in two weeks is the same as adding 130 lbs in a year. You could take the same logic and say it is the same as adding 1300 lbs over ten years. I agree that adding 5 lbs of any type of weight in two weeks would be extremely difficult in most circumstances. I also think that adding 15 lbs in two weeks would only be possible in a yo-yo type situation and it would have to involve a lot of water. Also, it is impossible to use lbs as a measure and % of current weight would be more appropriate. Cam Erving can add 5 lbs a lot easier than Kenny Shaw.
Process > Results
Lol obviously I was exaggerating, I was just uselessly extrapolating to show how hard it is to gain good weight
It becomes harder to gain good weight the more weight you gain (law of diminishing returns?) and it most certainly is easier for a guy like Erving to gain weight than Joyner (hence me starting out the post talking about initial body type (mesomorphs, ectomorphs and endomorphs all gain weight differently).
"But they understand expectations don’t win games. And just because you’re picked to win, they don’t give you the trophy when the season starts. And we tell our kids that we have to form great habits and have great work ethic and form our identity as a team. We just have to reinforce that everyday because as we tell them, the pressure of expectations is only there if we aren’t prepared for them. If we prepared for them and we’re prepared mentally and physically, the pressure of the expectation won’t bother us." - Jimbo Fisher
by Sem1nole on Aug 17, 2011 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who's gut is next?
This is the first of a series, right?
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
The next in this series will focus on Dustin Hopkins pectorals
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I want to kick him in that gut.
Then run, so he can chase me down and pummel me. Just so I know what it’s going to be like as an ACC receiver.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 18, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
whoa theres too much ammo on this one
please tell me you phrased it that way on purpose
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At least you are being honest that weight gain initially comes with a gut
That is why every time someone else posts that so and so gained 20 lbs of pure muscle in a few months I laugh. Either some of that 20 lbs is not really muscle or they really loaded up on some steroids and HGH..actually even with those 20 lbs of just muscle/no fat in 3 months would be pretty difficult.
People are full of poo
Lawyers, doctors, video game nerds, football fans, everybody. Back tot he subject at hand though. You can’t put on more than 1-2 of PURE NATURAL muscle, you can put on more weight. But there is a difference, but putting on weight will increase strength even if it is mainly fat. But you have the side effects of putting on weight. Lamarcus is putting on weight fast and he is going to get a gut as a side effect of doing so in such a short period of time. But it is a sacrifice that needs to be done in order for him and the team to be in a good position to win.
And are you saying, that "poo" you mention
resides in the gut? That’s disgusting. Not so much with the attorneys, though. I have suspected that for a while, in their heads.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

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