Noles News 08.18.11
by Bud Elliott on Aug 18, 2011 10:54 AM EDT
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PrintAfter the first FSU scrimmage was delayed due to injuries along the offensive line, Florida State went ahead with the scrimmage yesterday. The 11-on-11 stuff was limited for the Seminoles, as you might imagine with so many guys out, including Zebrie Sanders (starter- leg/groin); Tre Jackson (backup guard, leg); Bert Reed (precaution); Nick O'Leary (unsure on his injury, will ask around); Chris Thompson (precaution); Jermaine Thomas (back); David Spurlock (starting guard, concussions, on schedule to see contact next week); Moses McCray; and Henry Orelus (concussion) and Trey Pettis.
Jimbo said things that indicated he was pleased, but he has to be frustrated with all the injuries. Still, Jimbo does not want to get guys hurt and runs a very pro-style camp. He will hold a guy out to make sure a mild injury doesn't turn into something much bigger. At this point, the injuries are not a cause for major concern. Jimbo gave the team off today before a tough set of two-a-days coming up this weekend. Jimbo has really mastered the art of giving an interview and saying nothing. He did say that the team has excellent defensive depth. Jimbo said EJ looked good, which I have to wonder about given the missing offensive linemen and the excellent FSU defense. Fisher really likes Jacob Coker, and said Clint Trickett did well too. No mention of Will Secord, again. Have to wonder how long he will be around. I'm sure that is graded on a curve. Speaking of grades, Fisher said he was not aware of any academic casualties.
Sifting through Rubble in Coral Gables - Presnap Read (Paul Myerberg)
The one difference is that the last time Miami played fast-and-loose with the N.C.A.A. handbook we saw the Hurricanes run the sport. This time? That the Hurricanes couldn’t even win when enticing recruits with money, sex and more
A Huge Scandal, but Probably Not the Harshest Penalties - New York Times
No death penalty for Miami. Doing so would unravel the real linchpin of the NCAA athletics (and not amateurism): TV revenue.
Montel Harris gets knee scoped; out 3-4 weeks
No worries here; he'll definitely be back for his obligatory 150-yard performance vs. FSU.
When Blue-chippers don't play like Blue-chippers - Football Study Hall
In the last six years, 40 of 60 teams who began the season with a Top 10 ranking in my Weighted Four-Year Recruiting Average measure (derived using Rivals recruiting points and more heavily weighting the classes from 2-4 years ago, since those are the classes most likely to be providing most of a team's starters), played at a Top 20 level overall. There are exceptions, of course, but most of the time, good recruiting rankings produce good teams.
In the last two years, however, USC has not done much to reinforce this line of thinking. The Trojans have finished 26th and 27th in our F/+ rankings despite ranking first and second, respectively, in terms of recent recruiting. As scholarship restrictions begin to take their effect on them, USC should probably figure out how to milk more out of the recruiting stars that make their way to campus.
That said, USC is not the poster child for underachievement. For that, we've got a battle between Randy Shannon's Miami teams (too much time on yachts, evidently), Bobby Bowden's final Florida State teams, and Rich Rodriguez's Michigan teams.
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That checking Tomahawknation.com every second would pay off.
by Johnathan Blackburn on Aug 18, 2011 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
If you stare at a door long enough
it will open.
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Aug 18, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Telekinesis?
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
Law of probability
Similarly: On a long enough timeline, everyone’s life expectancy drops to 0.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Jermaine...
Seems like there could be more than a “back injury” going down here with Jermaine Thomas.
Also, what is the deal with Holmes Onwukaife? I saw a thread on 247 that he wasn’t in the LB picture on media day.
Jermaine...He has been held out it seems the entire fall camp for migraines
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 18, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I still think there’s more to this then what is being said… Remember Fortson was supposely out with an injury before it surfaced that he was booted
Hey, is it possible that Thompson and Thomas' injuries are juxtaposed?
Or does Jermaine really now have a back issue, in addition to migranes.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Ah.
Cuz if Thomas has back issues now, after missing all that time w/ Migranes, it’s looking very bleak for what I’m sure was supposed to be a good Sr season.
All of a sudden our RB stable is looking a little unsteady. I’m hoping it’s nothing, but practice reports aren’t going in the right direction.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
With regards to CT and JT
I definitely believe that CT is being held out for purely precautionary reasons. He started to distance himself from the other backs by the end of the season, and you don’t want your best horse hurt before he’s even out of the stables. The JT situation, that is something I don’t think we’re being fully informed about. Granted, migraines can be vicious (my fiancee gets them to the point where she throws up), but it’s been over a week now. Very peculiar.
/putsontinfoilhat
/poursacupofkoolaid
"Rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in"
JT's migraines
are a legitimate worry, for both team and young man.
I wonder if he has TMJ issues.
MiNDSET? SWAG-ER-ISM!!!
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
Migrane etiology is a crapshoot.
We are, however, dealing with an individual who has probably taken more blows to the head that your average joe.
It could be that simple. No more football, no more migranes.
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by CornNole on Aug 18, 2011 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think this is the time of year
we will begin to see a lot of misdirection. Interviews will be loaded with razzle dazzle and expanded truth. It’s all part of the game plan.
I'm only 31
Go Noles
Go Bucs
Another thing, how many of those 12 current players will be suspended and for how long…if it is serious, they could loose 6 games
by lovemynoles09 on Aug 18, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard O'Learys injury is from a hit by Moody
Anyone else heard the same? If so, Moody may have just handed Parks the starting FS spot.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
ItaliaNole A.K.A. SavvysNole
And Telvin Smith will never see pt because he took down LP24 during fan day.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 18, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how the hit happened if it's true
that’s why I’m asking the question to see if anyone else heard the same.
Non Mollare, non mai mollare!
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The only way Moody hands the job to Parks is if it was a malicious hit on NOL.
I doubt that because if he just blatantly took a shot at NOL he is gone and we would know about it. Also someone correct me if I’m wrong Moody seems to be a good kid and hangs out with EJ, don’t see him doing something like maliciously tackling NOL.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 18, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
even moody's big hits during games, he doesn't celebrate them or do much of anything
to him its just playing football
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 18, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I always envision him telling the opposing player “take it like a man, biotch” and walking away delighted by the stench of chum..
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
I'm very glad you have a working "h" key
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by CornNole on Aug 18, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I actually missed it the first time I typed that..
Y’all got lucky
Saw Peter Warrick play once. The rest is history...
I'm going to create DRusso97.2 just so I can rec that again......F'n HILARIOUS!!!
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I doubt Telvin will never see pt.
Jimbo is always so media savvy. I was a little surprised (and somewhat disappointed) at the F-bomb yelling at an open/fanday practice.
and I know this goes on all the time, and I'm fine with that.
However, when you let the little kids in to watch, I think there should be more control. He could have handled it later.
When you take your kids to that environment, be prepared
It’s no different than a major sporting event with the people around you.
Knowing Jimbo, the fact that it was fan day was probably lost on him multiple times. Guy is pretty focused out there.
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by CornNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Understood
but I don’t equate the behavior of an idiot fan to that of the “face of the program”.
If I’m standing in line with my kids to see Santa, they may hear similar language in the mall, but that’s easier conversation to have with the kids and explain why that behavior isn’t appropriate. If when we get to the front of the line, they hear Santa tell a kid to “Get the F off his lap”, and to “Shut the F up” while he’s getting down, that’s a tougher conversation to have.
A mall Santa Claus isn't being paid over $2mil
with ridiculous expectations.
I don’t necessarily agree with it, but if he feels that he has to use that language to get a desired result on that particular day, then we can’t gripe.
Jimbo has made some serious waves in that program. He’s pissed a lot of people off because he’s gonna do stuff “his way”.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
agreed
My wife was a little shocked, but I told her that he’s got to have the team at the highest level for the exposure. More exposure = raising more money for his son. Then she was like, “oh, OK”.
Oh wow.
You must be in sales or public relations.
I’m a devious bastard, and even I wouldn’t have tied those two together.
Golf clap, indeed.
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Well I am,
but Jimbo said as much in that espn interview with Schlabaugh, so I just paraphrased it to her.
Jimbo has given me more gifts then Rohypnol EVER could.
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Those aren't equal.
Mall Santa’s primary job is to please your kids not coach the elves up. Jimbo’s primary job is to coach the team up not please your kids.
Your Santa example would be the same if you took your kids to a luncheon where Jimbo was speaking and he dropped the F bomb just before your family posed for a pic with him. That would piss me off.
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 18, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess you could pick apart the details, and I see your point
My main point of the analogy is that you can’t always control what kids hear, but
A) My kids recognize Fisher
2) They “like” him and know their dad likes and respects him as a coach
D) He is a big part of FSU to them
but I suppose the lesson learned here is that “Jimbo’s not a role model” ;)
I would argue t hat he is a role model (driven & focused) But with all people you pick out the positive parts and explain that to young kids. No one is perfect, and teach them to objectively find the best parts of all people.
Well maybe except the Ibis…LOL
Bingo
Role models are not perfect, just like the rest of us. So even if we are asking that of Jimbo, which we shouldn’t be – and maybe that’s a follow on from our previous coach – his strongest attributes should be highlighted; but it should always be made clear that great men/women who are in the spotlight face just as many struggles as those who are not.
Not sure how I could have broken that run-on sentence up, so do your best to comprehend.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 18, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps we should go over this again
Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me
Not sure of sarcasm, but….Not true
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 18, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You're A2D proves you're a great dad.
It certainly was a great chance to humanize someone that seems larger than life to so many, possibly your kids.
Now if I can get Osceola to do something less than perfect I might be able to get my 5 year old to stop saying “daddy you need a horse and fire stick”.
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Fire Stick....
Awesome
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by CornNole on Aug 18, 2011 6:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was only joking about Telvin, Telvin will see significant pt if not start…just pointing out that an incidental, unintentional hit will not equate to a loss of PT.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go again...
I seem to remember someone having a huge issue with Rick Trickett about this at the Spring Game
Glad you said it
I can’t beleave we’re going over this again, it’s not like the preacher asked the deacon what the f*ck was the hold up with the Sunday morn collection.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
Again
not an issue. The issue as that this open practice was advertised and bundled as part of “fan day”. Just expected a little more media savvy is all.
I can’t believe you spelled “beleave”.
Easy to point out the kids on here, or at least those that don’t have any.
There is probably a reason
Preachers don’t coach football and coaches don’t preach sermons on sunday.
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Thanks for taking a jab at me
since I mispelled a word, you can tell I am a kid or that I have no children. That is pretty impressive, but I happen to be 50 with an 18 month old grandson. On a closing note, as I raised my daughter, I didn’t expose her to venues were foul language might be used, and then turn around and whine about it.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
by jskipnole on Aug 19, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec, for handling that like an adult.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 19, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand the grammer & spelling police. What's the big deal?
Everyone makes mistakes. Bud and the TN crew make them, and members of the TN community politely point them out so they can be corrected. People are human.
As for the F* bombs going off, anyone who wants to see a real practice has to assume the risk that they will. That means the coaches are going to talk to the players. Naturally, there is a risk of that kids’ impressions of Jimbo might change from the nice TV guy to a shouting mean guy. Trickett is funny as hell if you hear him give an interview or speak at a dinner, but you don’t expect him to be cracking jokes throughout practice. If I had my kids there and they heard a bad word, they might not say anything to me because they have heard the “bad words” before. That’s how they know the “bad words”. I’ve already taught them. At most they would tell me “Daddy, he said a bad word.” I’d just tell them that Jimbo gets to because he is the coach whose job it is to protect the players, Telvin did a very bad thing, Lonnie could have been hurt, and Jimbo was being mean when he corrected Telvin because he wants Lonnie to be safe.
I don’t think I would need to expand on it with my 3 and 5 yr. olds. If I did, I could explain that it is not okay to hit people. But I would tell my kids that even though it is not normally okay to hit someone, Daddy might have to hit someone who was doing something that might hurt them because it is Daddy’s job to make sure they are safe. Coach Jimbo was just trying to make sure Telvin stopped and didn’t do it again so that Lonnie and the other players would be safe.
Maybe that doesn’t work for you and I am by no means trying to tell you how to raise your kids. I’m just sharing what I would’ve done. Doesn’t sound like it would’ve been a big deal for me to handle.
There’s no reason to disrespect people who have contrary views. It’s a forum to share ideas.
I would hope people would teach their kids not to act like an ass when engaged in an otherwise respectful conversation.
I guess you have to take the teachable moments when you can get them, at least thats what I beleave.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 19, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
So is Coker the heir apparent?
Seems like he could pass Trickett on the depth chart by this time next year given his physical advantages.
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
It is way too early to make that kind of a prediction
but yes, that is a real possibility.
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by fsu44 on Aug 18, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes.
There is a possibility that Coker plays in 2013, but I am NOT betting on it. Trickett is no slouch, and I think fans have a really misguided perception of him.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I think sometimes its just cause trickett will turn sideways so all you see is coker on the other side of him
and we just forget he’s there
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Heh heh.
I personally think Jimbo would play Trickett first no matter what. Trickett knows the playbook back and forth, and I think our HC values that more Coker’s upside.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Agreed. Even if your physically gifted. You can’t just be “running around back there” … HC has to be comfortable that you can demonstrate that you know what your doing
And I think that's why fans will be scratching their head in the future...
I think there’s a lot of things we don’t see that Trickett probably does well. People will just see how damn small he is and start to question Jimbo’s judgement.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
I’m expecting this team to become more of a running team anyway (regardless of if EJs back there) and I think Clint can handle that
I dunno..
what if Freeman or Wilder accidentally break his arm taking a handoff?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 18, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What if EJ slips and falls onto Lonnie's head and that haircut cuts his arm off?
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by CornNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That would clearly be EJ's fault.
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 18, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Then it would be a recurring problem.
I’d blame Fisher for lack of institutional control.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 18, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
When you have oodles of talent around you (and Clint will), you don’t have to be Captain playmaker. I mean…it’s nice, and all, but Jimbo’s LSU teams survived with some very average QB’s. Bama 2009 comes to mind as well.
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As a 49er fan
I’d kill to have Matt Flynn on our roster.
Also as a 49er fan, thank God for FSU, because otherwise my whole weekend would be wasted outdoors!
In the way that bama is a running team?
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
That obviously plays well into Jimbo's philosophy of attacking every facet of a defense
Just never knowing where your defense is about to be hit
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's gonna KILL teams with the read option.
It seemed that a very good Clemson defense had no idea what to do with it in 2010. Even when they had to know it was coming.
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I kill teams in on NCAA2012 with a draw out of the pistol.
Especially if I’m facing a particularly aggressive defense who is killing EJ
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I just like the pistol in general as a formation. I think it lends itself with diversity and the RB can get full head of steam into the line
Do we really expect Coker to be "running around back there" in 2 years?
I think he is bright enough he might be okay.
If not Clint will do just fine, so long as he stays healthy.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I got it now
two comments above your’s there was talk about 2013…my bad.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 18, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Trickett is pretty goodsmall. I would be not surprised if that happened.
It is better to fail honorably than to succeed by deceit.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Coker is a prototypical QB size and seems bright
To my untrained eyes his footwork and technique seem very good for his experience.
I haven’t seen Trickett since spring but his footwork has always seemed like he took extremely long strides.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 18, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
OL depth is scary right now. Stork, Greenlee, Orelus, Zebrie, Spurlock. Basically Krug and Datko are the only health ones, and Datko the only returning starter. This has a feeling of 2008 all over again
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 18, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
A little bit.
I would’ve hoped that by 2011 this wouldn’t be such a problem — that we’d at least have some depth by now even if it wasn’t with elite players. But here we are.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
by Drew J Jones on Aug 18, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right.
Something should be done. Ban kegstands?
Pursue some path, however narrow and crooked, in which you can walk with love and reverence.
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by slumgullion on Aug 18, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
?
There is no lack of depth on the offensive line and the situation does not remotely resemble anything of a few years ago. FSU has 19 offensive lineman. That does not include Snider and Sanderson as they would have brought the total to 21 had they not been injured.
Let us compare this to say one of our rivals, Florida. They have 15 offensive lineman which is about normal.
FSU is not lacking numbers here nor are they lacking quality. Most of the lineman on hand many teams would slash their wrists to have on the roster. I am talking about Matias, Hart, Foose, Jackson, Barron, Ruben Carter, lovelady, Faircloth, et al. Yes some are young and inexperienced but that does not equate to a lack of depth or “we are back where we were” etc. That is type conjecture is what I would expect to see on some of the more chicken little type forums around the net.
We don’t know if Spurlock won’t be able to go this year either. He hasn’t even seen contact yet. What you see are the normal bumps and bruises of fall practice. I wouldn’t be too concerned unless you hear news such as knee or back injuries.
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I agree with Nole2005 completely.
I am quite concerned with the OL’s depth. I think if our OL stays healthy and plays well, we will be a worthy top five team. If we get thin on the OL, and can not protect E.J. or open holes for the backs, we will be a much worse team.
I know all the people that come to TN needed me to point out that the OL is very important to a teams successes.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 18, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of guys out.
But the biggest worry to me is Zebrie being out. I’ve thought all along we could be in real trouble if Datko or Zebrie weren’t healthy. I’m sure Jimbo is holding Zebrie out for precautionary reasons but I’m still worried.
Maybe we should hold them out of the first two games, too?
Get the back-ups some experience, stave off injuries to those guys before the OU/CU games… or maybe limit their PT until then.
as long as
They are able to practice, which doesnt sound like thats happeneing with some, to much rust to throw em in the OU game.
Totally
I’m normally hesitant on sitting out guys completely, but this is a double benefit. Minimal action lets them get more rest, as well as gained experience for the younger guys if/when they’re needed in the future.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 18, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree.
The rust factor is why I amended to “limit their PT.”
Okay, Bud.
No worries here; he’ll definitely be back for his obligatory 150-yard performance vs. FSU.
I’ll take the under on that bet.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 18, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
I'll admit; I did the links today
I don’t even think Montel Harris is that good. He’s an average back.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Yes.
But even though emotional circumstances are dismissed to a certain extent (especially on TN), he does come out to play against FSU. Seems to have that extra gear.
Unfortunately, I think our most experienced backs are pretty average. Thompson is the best, but Thomas and Jones are nothing special IMO. Solid, but not on the level of Freeman, Wilder, and Pender.
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HE is a little better than average, ranked 19th by the pros last year.
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Waaaaaaaaayy under
Dude might not even sniff 100, and with all the carries he’ll get that’s saying something.
Harris won't gain 100 yards vs FSU....even against the 2nd team D.
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Coker
Does anyone have any camp info on Coker? Seeing the Fisher really likes him, is there a chance that he could pass up Trickett up for the 2nd team? I am really high on this kid.
If he doesn't redshirt
we’ve got problems.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 18, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I am of the opinion that you HAVE to redshirt him.
Do whatever it takes. IMO he’s vital. Too much uncertainty w/ Winston (baseball), Maguire (development), and Trickett (size/injuries).
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Yup. I'd rather have Secord play, than burn his RS.
….if EJ and Trickett went down. I think Trick will have a hell of a battle w/Coker in spring 2013.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 18, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that you and I are the only FSU fans who feel this way.
I’ve had numerous discussions w/ people who cannot see this. Jacob Coker does not need to be on the field in 2011. Period. End of Story.
2013 will be interesting. I can see Jimbo using a 2 headed monster. Both kids are excellent players.
And then ya got Winston…looming…waiting….
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I'm with you on this as well.
I’d even consider putting Christian Green back at qb for a spell before removing Coker’s redshirt.
Nah.
I think 3 deep after him OK. I’d much rather see Secord than Green.
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I agree.
I just meant, very hypothetically speaking, if Trickett & Secord weren’t available & it were down to Green & Coker. Just trying to emphasize the importance of Coker’s rs also.
Haha, AGREE
I’d also consider Kelvin Benjamin back there. Just snap him the ball and let defenders dive at his ankles while he Gullivers Travels to the end zone.
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by CornNole on Aug 18, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it possible that Miami knew
of the mess they had at hand while searching for a new coach and, instead of dishing out big bucks on a big name, went with someone they wouldn’t have to pay much and could just hold over the program for a few years?
I mean, he didn’t have much to work with at Temple and it is about to be the same at UM.
Exactly
Golden was the best they could get in their price range.
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 18, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s why they are beginning to marginalize themselves — Money. What’s keeping them competitive now is location (South FL). I fear w/ scholarship reductions that won’t save them now.
I don't think it will either.
UCF and USF will go into that region and make it almost impossible for Miami to rebuild itself post sanctions. Add UM’s lack of money and it will take a series of major events for UM to get back to “Big 3” status.
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless they get nailed
NCAA letter has been delivered
Their football team's already on probation.
They’re just trying to be like the big boys.
by geoffissiffoeg on Aug 19, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Bingo. Miami's dumbsh!t fans thought they were shopping at the Dupont Registry.....turns out their budget is craigslist.
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Remember that, according to media reports, the NCAA launched their investigation 5 months ago, which means that the investigation was started a few months after Golden was hired. Shapiro started saying things a year ago, before Golden was hired, but absent an NCAA investigation and with little media scrutiny at that point, Miami may very well have believed that it was very contained or at least very containable. Indeed, had it just been this ponzi schemer out there making claims from his jail cell without backup, it wouldn’t have gone very far. As we now know, of course, there appears to be plenty of backup to support the claims (which is why Yahoo went with the story).
Seems like a lot of concussions this year...
Are we doing something different now, then in the past, with our practices that is causing so many concussions or has this always been the norm?
There’s an argument we’re more aware of concussions now in addition to the size of players in collisions have increased.
Which point, "we’re more aware of concussions now" or "the size of players in collisions have increased."?
I think both are good points, but didn’t know if you were referring to one over the other, or if you thought one had more to do with it than the other.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 18, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like a lot of concussions this year... Are we doing something different now...
Have you seen the size of the guys we’re lining up in front of them?
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by Nat King Nole on Aug 18, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Actually no I haven’t seen the guys lining up in front of them besides what I’ve seen on YouTube and pics and I would bet that’s the exact same way you’re viewing it as well. FSU isn’t the only team in the nation that has a big front and it seems from my readings other schools are not having the same amount of concussions… could be wrong but I’m not seeing the reports. It was just a question man no need to get emotional about it.
It was a legitimate question to ask, but I don't think he was getting "emotional" about it.
Pretty sure he is just excited that we have guys on Defense that are G.A.M., that can also run. Just the other day there was a discussion on the over/under for the QBs that we will knock out of the game, I believe the line was 4. Unfortunately this cuts both ways, our Offense has to practice against them. I agree with you that "FSU isn’t the only team in the nation that has a big front “, but there are not as many that are as big, and even fewer that are as big and fast. You may be right that ”other schools are not having the same amount of concussions", I don’t know one way or the other.
It is either
A- Our Offensive Line is sofffffft
2- We have been unlucky
D- The coaching staff is taking extra precautions
!!!!- The Defensive front is a very VIOLENT bunch
I highly doubt it is A, not with coach R. Lee Ermey Trickett. I would say the safe money would be on 2 and D, with !!!! playing a part, how much of a part remains to be seen. I am hoping it turns out to be all D and !!!!.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 18, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
....
Maybe you’re right but I still believe it was a bit emotional. Not even a big deal moving on…
As far as I know Jimbo runs a Pro style NFL practice where they don’t allow take downs to the ground… (Is that wrong?) Most concussions are caused by impact to the ground not helmet to helmet. Sure it happens but it seems we are seeing a lot here at FSU now or just reporting it more. That is where my question was coming from maybe I should of been more detailed with my original post. Like you I would like to believe our defense is just that nasty.
I’ve got to ask when did using A, 2, D become the norm on these boards is 1, 2, 3 or A, B, C not cool anymore :).
by ganole10 on Aug 19, 2011 7:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's cool, people get taken the wrong way all the time, it's how they handle it that is important.
I guess we will just have to keep our collective fingers crossed about the concussions. Maybe someone with more knowledge about it than us can weigh in.
I don’t know the story behind the A,2,D thing, but I do know if you want to be taken seriously on TN that is the format you must use, (Let’s just say It’s a Tomahawk Nation thing). I have even started using it other places just to see the reaction. I am waiting for someone to call me out as a TN member, otherwise, I’d bet people just think I am high.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Where is Holmes Onwukaife?
Havent noticed him in any of the pictures or heard about him from the coaches. Any update on him?
No official update....
But your observation is significant, from what I understand.
Well done gumshoe!l
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by CornNole on Aug 18, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There was a fanshot about that a couple of weeks ago
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
I think it looks a little crowded now.
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Correct, Sir Trick.
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by newdynastynole on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHA
Some non-FSU fan on 247’s national board asked yesterday, “It’s been awhile since FSU got it’s last commitment. What’s going on there guys?” Winston was only 2 weeks ago.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
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You’re right.
That's bc CJF & co. have been realing them in so frequently
that other fans are taking notice and expect it to be an every week occurrence.
More news from Crimson and Cream Machine
Stoops met with the media today after practice and stated that Ronnell is not currently practicing with the team for ‘personal’ reasons and he (Lewis) has their full support. Sooooo, that was pretty vague. There wasn’t much follow up with respect to additional questions as if you’ve ever seen a Stoops presser, you know when he’s done speaking on a subject.
So here we sit Sooner fans, let’s summarize things as they stand today. Travis Lewis’ broken toe. The Hammer’s status in doubt. Conflicting reports on Trey Metoyer’s eligibility. DTs Jordan Wade and Jordan Phillips still both not cleared. I’m not sure how much worse things can get, at least from an eligibility/availability perspective. I suppose the only thing even remotely resembling a positive in all of this is that aside from Travis Lewis, it’s unlikely that the other guys were going to be significant contributors this year. However, if a team is going to win a national championship, as is clearly our goal this year, depth is almost always test at some point. OU seems to be fine at WR even without Metoyer, though it would be pretty nice to have the option, but DT is an area where they could definitely use Phillips and Wade.
There had been rumors of Lewis being academically ineligible. If was grades, you’d think Stoops would just say grades (unless they are going to double check with the professors of his writing classes to see if there is some extra credit he could earn or if maybe some of those Ds weren’t meant to be Bs). If there was legal trouble, you’d think a paper would have picked it up. Any ideas about Lewis?
I’ve said it before and will repeat: We should run the ball down their throats and keep their O off the field. Particularly now that it looks like they will be missing two of their DTs and their two best players Travis Lewis and Ronnell Lewis, we should run, run, run.
Grades are either wrapped up by now or damn close to being so.
So if he just quit practicing with the team it looks an awfully lot like grades to me. Can’t say for sure though.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
Noles Getting noticed for D
Brian Griese on CFL said noles go undefeated and play for national title
So did I miss something - did JT's "migraines" actually turn out to be a back injury, or is that something new?
I figured “migraines” might mean “concussion” in the Jimbo terminology system, and speculated as much earlier this week…
The head bone is connected to the neck bone, the neck bone is connected to the backbone, ...
My wife has a lot of back pain. Sometimes the nerves get her back and neck so tight that she winds up with heaaches. Sometimes the go the other way and she gets pains shooting down her leg and arm, sometimes even leg or arm muscle spasms. I hadn’t heard anything about a JT back problem, just sayin… If it came from Jimbo, maybe he accidentally said Thomas instead of Thompson by accident as he was running down all the injured players real quick.
I think they just mixed up Thomas' and Thompson's injuries.
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Wherever you are, Trick, you are wise, indeed.
Correct, Sir Trick.
You truly are one of God's treasures, Trick
You’re right.
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