Noles News 08.21.11
by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 10:26 AM EDT
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PrintFSU practiced yesterday, and Fisher was somewhat talkative.
Saturday afternoon, Rashad Greene, Nick O’Leary and Jacobbi McDaniel joined the ever-expanding group of Seminoles to miss practices. Zebrie Sanders, Henry Orelus, Gerald Demps, Holmes Onwukaife, Trey Pettis and Tre’ Jackson all continued to sit out.
Lots and lots of rumors that Holmes might elect not to have a second shoulder reconstruction surgery in as many semesters. Sad for him, but shoulders are very tricky. If he does elect to hang 'em up, he will still be very successful as he is a smart kid who cares about the classroom.
I am not at all concerned about guys like Datko or Sanders missing time, as long as it is precautionary. These guys know how to play the game.
As for running backs missing, I previously wrote that Devonta Freeman is the best runner. Will he understand the offense and pass pro well enough to start? We'll see. The praise for Ty Jones is nice to see.
Fisher also praised the receivers (yes, the receivers!) a bunch yesterday. Said they were the best they had been since he has been in Tallahassee. This was the worst part of a very good offense last year, and if Fisher's words hold true, that will mean a lot for EJ Manuel.
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Top 25 player countdown: No. 7 - ACC Blog - ESPN
No. 7. Andrew Datko, LT, Florida State
2010 stats: He allowed just one sack in 11 games (all starts) last season, and held off heralded pass rushers from Oklahoma, Miami, Clemson, Florida and Virginia Tech. He was penalized just three times and had five missed assignments in 691 snaps. Datko's season average grade of 87 percent was second on the team only to Rodney Hudson.
Previously ranked: Not ranked.
Making the case for Datko: The veteran left tackle has 36 career starts, but his accomplishments have been overshadowed by his predecessors, Hudson and Ryan McMahon. Datko bulked up this offseason, despite missing spring practices with a shoulder injury. He’s a smart player (he earned the Matt Schmauch Academic Award at the end of spring practice, which is given to the player who is dedicated to getting a degree), and he is a candidate for both the Lombardi and Outland trophies. He has excelled in protecting the quarterback’s blind side, and that will be critical this fall with first-year starter EJ Manuel
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Nails it. FSU is the biggest reason why the ACC is perceived as down. Va Tech cannot carry a conference. It is a solid B+ potential program, but not an A. FSU must put the "A" in ACC.
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A look at the 2011 Virginia Tech Hokies football team. Frank Beamer's Hokies have mastered the art of playing like an elite team and disappearing from view at the same time. That might become more difficult in 2011 with an improved defense and soft schedule.
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Below is a small handful of projection and change factors most pertinent to the Football Outsiders' preseason projections you will find in the Football Outsiders Almanac 2011.
Four-Year F/+ Rk 8 Five-Year Recruiting Rk 21 TO Margin/Adj. TO Margin**** +19 / +20.0 Approx. Ret. Starters (Off. / Def.) 13 (6, 7) Yds/Pt Margin***** -5.7
No pressure, Logan Thomas. You've got some excellent skill position options around you, a solid line, a fantastic secondary, an improved front seven/eight, and one of the most manageable schedules of any top BCS team. Oh, and Phil Steele has named you a darkhorse Heisman candidate and Cam Newton clone. What could possibly go wrong, eh?
If Thomas is somewhere between competent and solid, look out for Tech. Here's their road slate: Georgia Tech (2011 proj. F/+ ranking: 50th), East Carolina (65th), Virginia (66th), Wake Forest (77th), Duke (79th) and Marshall (94th). Clemson, Miami, Boston College and North Carolina all come to Blacksburg. For a team that wins double-digit games against solid schedules, how many are they capable of winning against an easy one? Like Pearl Jam, Frank Beamer's Hokies have mastered the art of playing at an elite level while simultaneously disappearing from view; it might be difficult to avoid the trappings of pop superstardom this fall, at least as long as Thomas comes through. Again, no pressure.
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I am really interested in that defensive trendline, which has regressed ever so slightly each of the last four years.
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It doesn't look like the competition at middle linebacker is going very well for senior Jordan Futch, who has been passed up on the second team by freshman Gionni Paul. Although Golden said the competition for the starting job "is very good," sophomore Jimmy Gaines continues to be one of the few players on defense still wearing a black jersey along with senior Sean Spence.
Interesting there.
"Are you gonna turn Gary [Crowton] loose and let Gary be as wide open as Gary is inclined to be?" Leach asked about the Terps’ new offensive coordinator."No question," Edsall replied. "Gary and I are on the same page. Gary and I worked together at Boston College and that’s why I hired him. I knew what Gary was like as an offensive coordinator, and when he can do the things that he wants to do. I’m all in with that and we’re all on the same page. We’re gonna be wide-open and full-throttle."
"Because that LSU stuff wasn’t Gary Crowton stuff, you know what I mean?" Leach continued.
"Not at all," Edsall agreed. "You’re exactly right."
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If Miami is relying on these guys to do anything more than special teams they are really in trouble.
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Clemson thoughts. Good post.
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Already thin in the secondary to begin with, North Carolina could soon find themselves down yet another cornerback by the time the regular season rolls around. In a release, UNC announced that sophomore cornerback Jabari Price injured a tendon in his left hand during a practice session Tuesday. Could be out for up to six weeks.
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Let’s wrap up the SEC East with South Carolina, the clear favorite in the lesser of this power conference’s two divisions. Yes, it’s not a stretch to say that part of the reason behind South Carolina’s recent climb to the top of the East has been the decline in play seen in Gainesville and Athens, but that’s rather dismissive of all that Spurrier and the Gamecocks have achieved over the last few seasons. Isn’t it? This team stands above the rest of the SEC East thanks to what we find on the field, not what’s missing at Florida and Georgia: U.S.C. has an identity on offense, athleticism to burn on defense and the sort of confidence that stems solely from last season’s success. Don’t underestimate the latter. After years of bursting out of the gate but stumbling over the second half, U.S.C. took an enormous step forward by closing out last year’s regular season with three straight wins, including road wins at U.F. and Clemson. When taking that into account, the Gamecocks are locked, loaded and ready to roll in 2011. Right in their corner is a program-defining back like Lattimore; though only a freshman, he gave last year’s team its physical attitude. Garcia might be a question mark off the field, but there’s reason to believe his final season in Columbia will be his best — and it doesn’t hurt to have an all-American talent like Jeffery at receiver. The issues defensively lie right up the middle: at tackle and linebacker. Settle those and the sky is the limit. Can South Carolina win the SEC? It’ll come down to a December affair with Alabama, L.S.U. or Arkansas, but here’s guessing the Gamecocks are already at least 9-3 at that point, if not a win better. That’s the word of the day: better. As good as last year’s team was, this version is better.
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Really good to hear
that CJF was impressed with the receivers,if they keep it up our offence could be really good this year.
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its great that he can show up to these practices. I bet play steps up a notch with older guys wanting to show off what they can do.
"I get tired of these recruiting services trying to say who is the best prospect in the country and who i should be recruiting. I really can't stand that NFL guy, what's his name? Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot."
Even though it will probably never happen, I would love for the IPF to be named after Mickey.
Maybe someone can start an email campaign to Randall W(orthless) Spetman and even Barron to make it happen. If someone starts it up, I will send emails from all my accounts including the ones I use when I pretend I am a teenage girl.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
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The indoor facility will be named after him,correct?
by CCDFSU07 on Aug 21, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just posted this literally a second after you Frank LOL
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Great minds....
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Man i hope we have our guys healthy when OU rolls in.
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
they'll be healthy *enough*,
Jimbo’s hyper-precautionary approach to practice guarantees that. I’m just happy right now that we haven’t lost anyone for the season or even for a game.
Championship!
I certainly agree with you
I remember some of the injuries FSU sustained in the old days just from fall practice. Dan Kendra comes to mind. They et them tackle quarterbacks, (brilliant) and a big defense tackle crushed his knee tackling him from behind, pretty much ending Kendra’s effectiveness.
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Yeah, but we were very fortunate to have that work itself out. Could have been disastrous.
I think the big elephant in the room with this year’s team is the “are we good enough to win without EJ at QB this year.” Talk all you want about whether EJ is good enough to win the big games, how good our D will be, etc. but football is a rough game and if the last few years are any indication, we’ll find ourselves without EJ in at least one game this year. If and when that occurs, are we going to be good enough from our backup QB to win.
I know Ponder had a tendency for injury and hopefully EJ is more durable, but we’re going to run EJ this year, and the chances are good that he’ll get banged and bruised. A dominating defense – which we all have high hopes for – certainly goes a long way toward pulling one out of your….hat….without your best guy at QB (see: Outzen vs. UF, 1998).
Almost ever team is stuck in the same situation
e.g., what happens to OU if Landry Jones gets injured?
Championship!
Yeah, but most teams don't plan to have their QB run as much as we do. Our risk goes up with that.
You’re right though…even teams that think they’re in good shape at backup QB probably aren’t in as good a shape as they think (remember UF talk about how Brantley was, as a backup, the third best SEC QB or whatever?).
Those were the days. We could lose the presumptive starting QB to a season ending injury in spring and then just go ahead and make the National Championship game with his backup, who would go on to with the Heisman later in his career.
Technically
The NCG was with the back-up’s back-up. The Rooster played the last 2-3 games after Weinke went down.
Running Back is the position I'm most comfortable with on the team
i feel like as long as one of: freeman, jones, pryor, thomas, or thompson are healthy then we have nothing to worry about in a game to game basis. That’s not even considering guys like Beverly, Smiley, or Wilder.
I would say as long
as two of freeman, jones, pryor, thomas, and thompson are healthy, we’ll be ok. Then a guy like Wilder or Smiley could be 3rd and 4th guy. If all of them are ok, look out. Much more worried about the oline.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I think multiple injuries for the line would be devastating. The only other unit that I think can’t handle a couple injuries is safety (and QB of course).
multiple injuries to any teams line would be devastating
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 21, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
With the Backs, I would add emphasis to Pryor getting injured.
I would think he goes down, he will be missed sorely.
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by PalmAireNole on Aug 21, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Biggest SINGLE injury impact - off the top of my head here - would be:
1. Quarterback
2. Fullback
3. OL
4. Safety
Obviously multiple injuries at OL could be freaking disastrous.
We're pretty thin at LB too.
If we get one of those injured, then it is either Moody or one of the freshmen that move into the two deep. Two injuries at LB and you would have to wonder what the D would look like.
I agree with 1-3 100%...
and @ safety I agree, but similar to the original RB post I think it depends who gets injured. Parks or Moody either one could replace each other, they are interchangeable imo. As of right now do we know who is definitively superior?, however… we know Joyner would be be a big loss.
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by PalmAireNole on Aug 22, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Every good team in the country is in the same boat
Talented underclassmen will have to step it up filling in for injured starters for the team to play a BCS game. Losing EJ for any extended period would really hurt, though.
Bud... You tweeted
…that we (FSU) need a LSU win over 0regon. Just curious as to why. Ranking buffer? I ask because I’m not sure how a 1-loss 0regon that loses only on opening weekend looks worse than a 1-loss FSU if our loss comes any time after OU. And if our loss is against OU, it really doesn’t matter anyway. 0regon has just as many coulda-woulda-been-ranked teams on their schedule as we do.
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AND
If both teams go undefeated, we’d have to trump UO because of our win over OU. LSU would be more likely to lose SEC games compared to OU and the Big XII.
"This year I am focused on scoring. I want to score, along with getting good field position for the offense. I am going to try and score a little bit this year. I kinda miss the endzone a little bit." -G5
No, that would not happen. Pac12 perceived as a better conference, Oregon starts higher and would finish higher.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
I think Stanford is going to get exposed in the late season. They have a few games in which to build some OL experience, but this line is GREEN and will play piss poorly if any opposing D can mount any kind of rush. All the pro-scout folks, as I am sure you’ve heard, commented on how they wished Andrew Luck came out last year in the draft because they really don’t want him to get hurt this year. And then they move right over to talk about the OL. Plus, new HC (with less op-tempo, so I hear) and new system… Could faulter. Not gonna say that they will, but could. Starting in late October, they have a decent stretch with @USC and @Oregon State before they host Oregon. That really, really could be a 3-loss streak for them.
Name any school with Arizona in its name, and I’ll rattle off a laundry list of injuries for you. Pretty much the same for Cal and UCLA.
USC, as we know, is simply screwed out of the postseason this year, and will play the roll of spoiler for the conference cuz they’re pissed about the NCAA and Dee and all that. Chip on the shoulder and what not.
Oregon will win the north division after defeating Stanford in the regular season, and will probably play a 2 or 3 loss Utah in the Pac12CG.
Florida State, on the other hand… IF we go undefeated, will likely play an undefeated and top-5 ranked Virginia Tech in our CG. Combine that with a win over then-no. 1 Oklahoma, and we HAVE to have the edge.
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I don’t see it. Pac 12 > ACC in the minds of all media, and they start ahead.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
You don’t think that a win over number 1 Oklahoma and a top-5 ranked VT will trump a win over LSU in an neutral site in week one and a win over a 2 or 3-loss south division no-name?
Especially if Miami can somehow hold their effing roster together and defeat tehOSU, if Clemson can somehow manage USCe on rival’s weekend, and no one loses to a FCS team. That has to make our schedule look much better than anything Oregon has.
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cuz they probably won’t lose anything. That schedule is cake.
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I think that's going to end up hurting them though
nobody’s going to take you seriously when your premier win is Clemson.
They don’t have to. I don’t agree with it, but they’re pre-season 13. They CAN’T drop if they keep winning. Its the self-validation of the polls. I REALLY dislike pre-season polls, but the system we’re in says that a top 15 team that finishes the season 12-0 WILL be a top 5 team, regardless of schedule.
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right,
but they’re going to drop significantly when they lose to us. Hypothetically an undefeated Alabama, Oregon, FSU, Boise, Nebraska (unlikely), and South Carolina (unlikely) could be ahead of Vtech prior to the conference championship.
I wouldn’t be surprised if VT stumbled against clemson or miami. New QB and all…
Wow you guys are talking rankings and SOS....
FSU, if they go undefeated will get the Nod over any pac 10 team. Why…Think SEC and by that I mean think voting and $$$. Even when the Noles stunk it up they were the biggest t.v. draw in the country or top 5. Since Ogon sucked it up last season FSU would be the money, and I mean money pick. Plus LSU is winning anyway and UGA, like UGA does, will lose a few games this season. I still don’t see why people are big on them.
I agree
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Boise will not outrank VT.
Boise has a date with UGA, but the body of the ACC is still considered better than the MWC, even with TCU. AQ and all that.
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wow, just looked at VT's schedule
Wish we had that schedule. They don’t play anybody.
no, I do not.
I am not ignoring your argument, I have just already considered it.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
well his argument is built around
everyone in the ACC playing up to their potential and everyone in the PAC regressing to the mean. Obviously we’d jump them in that scenario though the scenario isn’t likely to play out that way at all.
To this point, its all a strictly hypothetical discussion anyway.
We have no idea if FSU, 0regon, LSU, Alabama, or even Virginia Tech will go undefeated. So its kind of dismissive to say that I base my premise on a flawed belief that the Pac 12 will regress while the ACC will not. Especially since I haven’t seen one statement that contests the validity of the Pac 12 regressing.
It may or may not be reasonable to assume Clemson will improve under a new OC and VT will go undefeated with a posh schedule. But it is perfectly reasonable to assume that a team that finished the BCS ranked 4th and who is replacing a head coach, OC and DC, the OL coach, and three OL starters will regress somewhat. Maybe not out of the top 25, but certainly not top 10. Maybe not even top 20.
Lets not forget that Stanford was pretty much the Duke of the Pac before Jim Harbaugh took over. The school isn’t exactly systematic for success like some other programs. (Bama, UF, etc.)
And USC’s struggles with the post-season will hurt the Pac-12 South. They still have better athletes than most in the division, especially since Arizona and Arizona State have EACH had roughly one season-ending injury per week on a starter. It is looking more and more likely that SoCal will win the division, even though they can’t, and likely send a 2 or 3 loss team to the Pac 12 title game in their stead. Probably Utah, who could do very well in the Pac-12 in a year or two but who still need to adjust to playing with the BCS big boys on a week-by-week basis.
Utah could easily go into their BYE on Sept. 24th as a 2-1 or 1-2 team with games @USC and @BYU. They also travel to Pitt in the middle of October. Again, not sure how they will turn out, but if they come out of September as a two-loss team, their morale will be shot.
So no one in particular COULD be representing the Pac-12 South in the CG. My argument being… If FSU and VT are undefeated, IMO, it should look better than 0regon beating whoever made it out of the Pac-12 South. UNLESS that team is also undefeated or maybe a 1-loss, which is VERY unlikely.
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Also, Bud, I don’t think you’re ignoring me. I’m just interested to hear why you think the Pac-12 is viewed as being a stronger conference. Both have only two teams in the AP top 25. Pretty sure its the same in the coaches. Granted, the win over VT in the BCS doesn’t help the ACC. But more ACC teams return more when compared to the Pac, and I honestly believe that Stanford is simply riding Andrew Luck’s rep.
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Hell, Russell Wilson is a great QB, but no one gave him cred playing for NC State. Now, all of a sudden, he is a contender under a decent staff with decent athletes around him. Remove the staff and athletes (as may well be the case at Stanford this year) and what do you get? NC State of the West, well on its way to becoming Duke again.
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perception at the end of a season doesn't matter as much as it does at the beginning
Polls won’t leapfrog teams. Perception at the outset is PAC 10 > ACC. That’s what ranks teams at teh beginning and adjusts how they move up and down. If pollsters realize in the final weeks of the season that maybe the ACC was stronger this year, they are not going to redo what they have already done and leapfrog FSU over higher ranked teams if those teams keep winning.
I mean, I get that you guys think the world sees the Pac 12 as stronger. I just don't understand WHY.
We both have only two ranked teams in the pre-season AP (and coaches?) polls, a gaggle of them hanging just outside that will become ranked as some of the others fall out, and the marquee programs representing each have one BIG OOC contest followed by a bunch of “meh.”
And to add under “just sayin’,” Florida fell in the rankings last season as they won. Starting at 4, then with a win over Miami of Ohio, dropping to 8. After beating USF, albeit ugly, they fell again to 10. So in week three, a 2-0 SEC team fell eight spots.
I know it doesn’t always happen. But it does happen.
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But just last year
The Pac had two BCS teams – one in the NCG, and the other obliterated the ACC Champ. The USC run is much fresher in people’s minds than our dynasty.
People think too much about what happened last year while forgetting about the new HC, OC, DC, OL coach, 3 OL starters…
Damn, they got a fine QB, though.
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Perceptions take time to change
And for 10 years the ACC hasn’t really made a splash on the national scene. Too many high-profile flubs. Meanwhile, the Pac has had dominant USC teams, flashy Oregon, and a surprising Stanford, etc.
We’ve had WF winning the conf, VT getting spanked in big games on a regular basis, etc.
I have no problem with people viewing the Pac as a better conf right now. I definitely see the why, whether or not I completely agree with it. It’s up to us (both FSU and the conf in general) to go out and change people’s perceptions of the ACC.
I was talking (above) about Stanford. No way should that be a top 10 team, because they won’t finish that way.
If they do, I’ll eat your ratty gym socks.
IMO, the fact that they got ranked so highly was moreso as homage to what they did last season, same as with Auburn. Only with Auburn, their entire staff remains intact. Way too many question marks around the new Stanford staff. New system on both sides of the ball, pretty much a new OL, new starters at WR, decent backs tho…
And damn, do they have a fine QB.
Did I mention that I EFFING HATE preseason polls?
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Yeah, but in regards to conf reputation
What Stanford’s done recently is VERY apropos. Since no one knows what will happen this year (e.g., whether we;ll even end up in the top ten), conf perception is based on the recent past. And there, I think the Pac beats the ACC.
Whether or not the Pac will have a better 2011 season remains to be seen… I was just addressing the WHY you asked about (why the Pac is viewed as stronger).
Not always true on the leap frogging
There is an amount of leap frogging that happens in polls. Glance over last season’s polls week-by-week and you’ll see some jostling of positions. Oregon, for example, moved up to #3 by Week 6 (preseason #11) despite the fact that BSU, TCU, OU, Neb, etc. had not lost.
From Week 7 to 8, OU jumped from #6 to #1 though ahead of them only OSU and Neb had lost.
Exactly.
This is kind of the crux of my argument. Oregon and Florida state have VERY similar schedules. But if Oregon and LSU keep it close, but FSU defeats a no. 1 OU (close or not) I think that FSU gets the benefit of the doubt. Particularly when it comes to ACCCG time. FSU vs VT? Or OU vs Utah…
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I'm not sure we would jump Oreg
But I agree it is possible. Less likely if their RB is a leading Heisman candidate or something. More likely if we steadily get better and better (i.e., start really crushing people), and culminate it with dominating uf and VT. Not sure we’ll do that, but it would work in our favor. However, I think the OU/LSU games are so early that they won’t have a major impact – unless we jump them after the OU game.
serious?
Datko is a much better pass protector.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree about Datko
But if Sanders is 1a to Datko’s 1 in terms of talent that means the pressure on EJ only comes from where he can see it and uses his athleticism to avoid it………. Sanders progress is great news
by PRIME25 on Aug 21, 2011 1:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with Bud on this. Plus, LSU is going to get beat at some point in the SEC.
Don’t tell me it won’t piss you off to see Oregon squeeze by LSU and then run the table through the Pac-10, including a victory over a potentially-not-as-good-as-last-year Stanford team.
Oregon has very few chances to lose, and if they and fsu go undefeated, fsu will not pass them.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Margin of victory would need to be looked at.
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What about undefeated FSU and Oregon
and a 1 loss SEC team? You think both Oregon and FSU get in? I would say they do.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 21, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think they'd have to get in over the SEC school.
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We would then get an immediate invite to SEC
To keep their streak alive.
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 22, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that have to depend on Florida's season?
If UF is actually ranked top 15 and we beat them, and then a top 10 VT the following week, the more recent impressive wins would hold more weight to the voters.
by FSUActuary on Aug 21, 2011 10:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a very hard time seeing UF being top 15 when we face off.
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This is an important distinction. UF has a murderous schedule.
I can see us not getting nearly the credit we deserve for playing them in late November this year. They could very well be a top-10 team in terms of talent at that point of the year, but with a handful of losses on their resume.
Hopefully, they'll have
the bumps and bruises to go with the losses
I think
Assuming LSU loses at least 2 (one to oregon and one to a random SEC team which would take them out of the championship game race), a Oregon win over LSU would give them a better resume because they already start ahead of us.
yep, and they get to play a Stanford team that won’t lose many
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
and that stanford team will be overrated because of Luck
I think any team with an elite QB that is a household name is usually given the benefit of the doubt even if the rest of the squad isn’t that good.
Guys, Im telling you the NCG is all about getting there and money.
No way a booring program from the North West trumps FSU if they both go wire to wire. USC maybe, but Oregon….no way. Especially since they lost last year and t.v. loves the Noles.
Remember this team in 96 BYU, one loss, first 14 game season, etc. Booring fan base and no t.v. ratings gets left out for a team that got beat 3 weeks earlier..Yeah, money talks.
Wrong. It’s a formula. BCS games are like that, but not the championship game. 1996 is irrelevant, as the BCS was not around back then.
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I agree but take a 2 loss LSU team.
That losses on the last game of the season to what a .500 Ar team? I always lean to the money and FSU is heaps of money Nationally over Oregon. They will be voted ahead if this played out. IMO of course but when records are equal no matter who plays the better schedule, unless it’s 2011 VT style, than the team that will bring in the cash is the team that is picked.
Money does not have anything to do with selecting the two teams for the national title game. I just explained this to you. It’s not opinion. It is fact. The top two teams in a formula are picked.
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I would like to agree Bud, but money always is involved.
You can take the average of polls and FSU would move ahead and stay ahead of Oregon during the season. Come the end of the season they will play a championship game against undefeated VT, win, and everyone will forget what happened week one. ESPN drives the NCAA, not the other way around. Again it’s only my opinion but as a lawyer you have to admit that even when it’s set in stone, written down, layed out, in plain english, and black and white….OJ goes free.
There is not a what if. You’re simply wrong here.
If you are arguing that FSU would be higher in the polls, that is a different argument.
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Sure, but again, not a money argument.
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if FSU and Oregon were both undefeated, it's all up to Kirk Herbstreit at that point
If he uses the phrases, “Old FSU Swagger” and “They’re Back” at least twice a day on air, it’s impossible not to leapfrog the Ducks.
Don’t ask me to explain it, but this is a major component of the BCS system.
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It's the HSF metrick
Herbstreit Swag Factor. Equivalent to an extra .5 points at the end of BCS voting.
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by CornNole on Aug 21, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
and now that he wont have to talk about the Canes
it might go up to 4 times a day.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The nation would revolt
If the Noles, America’s team went undefeated and were left out.
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by CornNole on Aug 21, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Speaking of LSU
Am I to assume there will be no suspensions from the recent bar fight, even if the players are charged with anything? (That’s one reason not to schedule a big game to start the season… suspensions shouldn’t affect a game against a cupcake.)
http://louisianastate.scout.com/2/1097753.html
Looks like the players to be questioned include “starting quarterback Jordan Jefferson” and “veteran offensive lineman T-Bob Hebert.”
The way you do this is you “investigate” and then reveal the “results” after week 1 and make them sit vs. Northwestern St.
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Lester
has already taken care of this. He is not going to make any decisions until he can really dig in and find out what really happened. This will all become clear much further down the road.
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I don't have the article in front of me
but it looks like Jefferson and another guy are getting cuffed tomorrow on felony battery. I think it would be really really hard to justify not suspending him for such a charge.
From what I read supposedly the original report was
wrong, there is no warrant for the players. They are being brought in for questioning. Who knows. Fights are bad emmkay.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure how valid this is, buuuuut...
“Jefferson and three others to be arrested on Monday.” Jefferson and redshirt offensive tackle Chris Davenport could face second degree battery charges while sophomore linebacker Josh Johns and freshman wide receiver Jarvis Landry could be charged with simple battery, according to the source.
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T-Bob sounds like a good ole boy.
Juhere sum farner said sumin ignert and T-Bob was jus standng up for his rats. But being a big boy, he ran out of ear, got tarred and was plum wore out. He was going bard his friends bat with bobwar wrapped around it but the law came and now the gummit is trying to make a big deal about a couple of boys jus havin sum fun.
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by FrankDNole on Aug 21, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What if FSU and VaTech meet as undefeated teams in the ACCCG?
Wouldnt a win there be enough to get by Oregon if they too are undefeated? Perhaps setting up a BCSCG against them…. who else can interfere?
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 21, 2011 10:59 AM EDT reply actions
...say if 3 or more teams all finish 12-0 (Boise etc...)
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 21, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's too early to be considering these things
1,000,000 different scenarios could happen. Sometimes all it takes is a little campaigning from ESPN to shape the rhetoric and push a team into the national championship.
This
You could have 5 undefeated teams like 2009 or none like 2007. Way too early to tell. 5-7 Cal of all teams was a 29 yard field goal away from beating Oregon, Auburn needed OT to beat 6-7 Clemson, Texas needed an extra second two years ago or Ndomakong Suh alone would have thrown the BCS into chaos in December. Not worth worrying about until late October at the earliest.
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by The K-Man on Aug 21, 2011 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, highly doubtful. ACC is not seen as a good conference, and the miami and unc stuff may put it on the level of the Big East in the eyes of some misinformed voters.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
i think the only way we would push past oregon
is if OU is only a one loss team (to us), Clemson has a phenomenal season (losing to us), and UF surprises everyone and finishes ahead of LSU in the SEC (with a loss to us).
So FSU (remote) finishes undefeated...
the possibility is high it could get left out of a Title game? Wow. Hard to fathom a situation like that…. TN would go coo-coo-ka-choo :(
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 21, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t say that. Said the possibility is high that it would not pass an undefeated Oregon.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Bud, I hear you....
If it plays like this: FSU beats the B12 champ OU, the SEC East champ FL, and a 10-11 win VaTech in the ACCCG…they possibly could get the shaft against Oregon. That would be extremely disappointing… especially since all the scandal with Coach Kelly at Oregon just water off a Duck’s back right now with the focus on the U.
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 21, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
if that scenario happen I think we'd jump oregon
if OU loses a couple games and UF has a 8 win season or something like that then we wont jump oregon.
FL likely to be 3rd in east, not SEC east champ.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
USCe and UGA will be 1 or 2 in the east
simply because of schedule alone. Neither play LSU or Alabama, while Georgia also misses Arkansas.
UF has both LSU and Bama and 6 of their 8 conference games are against ranked opponents.
For the record all but one of Auburn’s 8 SEC games are in the top 25. They may win half those games and still end the year @ 6-6
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 21, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
well i doubt Auburn and Georgia will be ranked when UF plays them
but you’re probably right
UF
I think its a bit early to write off UF. Lots of leftover talent from Meyer’s years and Weis has proven himself as a great O coordinator.
True
There’s still plenty of talent on that team. Their Defense will be top 25. If they can avoid disastrous injuries, to help with their depth, and get a QB to play half way decent, they can still be very good. Of course that is alot of ifs.
oh, I am not
UF is potentially every bit as good as the other two, but schedule matters. There is a reason FSU is favored by less than a field goal.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Public perception and point spread
I remember reading an article on TN a while ago relating point spread to odds of winning. Do you remember what it was titled? I’m not really fluent in vegas-speak, and it was helpful.
I like the 2012 schedule overall but UF will be a significant challenge next year, as will Vtech on the road. Of course, it’d be helpful if we could get rid of WV. I don’t know much about Holgorsen but he makes me uneasy.
We scrapped it because it created a bunch of confusion and took away from the goal which was to get people focusing on the chance FSU wins a game, rather than a simple win/loss and no in between.
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I think UF at home in 2012 will be easier than the 2011 game.
I think the 2012 schedule is easier for FSU. Yes, at VT is tough, but I don’t see VT as elite like I do Oklahoma.
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VT
As unpredictable as college football can be sometimes, one has to appreciate a predictable conference opponent. Which is why WV has me uneasy.
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Murray State 1
WVU 0.8
Wake 0.98
at USF 0.75
BC 0.9
at Miami 0.875
Duke 0.98
at VT 0.6
at Maryland 0.8
at NC State 0.75
Clemson 0.75
UF 0.65
9.835
a number like that gives FSU a great chance to go undefeated. Very few teams are above 10
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wow, you give them more credit than I do. I had them at 85%; will reassess…
anyone else want to chime in?
Cold enough world without gettin' gone against by your own.
should be 80%
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I don’t see it. FSU has way more talent than them and matches up very well against that defense.
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I am not really sure how good their O will be
but I think it will give them a good chance – I would have lower percentages for your last 4 picks too – I am still a pessimist until I see the potential of FSU realized on the field
Theres no way that the ACC would put the FSU/VT game on Thursday night right. Especially if we didnt have a bye beforehand. I know VT loves their Thursday night games and I think that would be a recipe for disaster
NC State is typically our thurdday nighter
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Like I said, record =/= quality of a team
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UF is tough to bet on because of the staff.
It’s a very good staff, but because they’re having to implement new systems and deal with kids like Brantley who were messed up by the previous staff, it’s an open question on how good they wind up this year, I think. Could go either way.
Next year I suspect they’ll be very, very good.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 22, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think UF finds a way to take 2nd in the East this year, and that it goes down to the SC game in November, where they come up short again.
Just my gut. I think UF loses to LSU and Bama but finds a way to beat UGA yet again, and will be within a game of SC in the East when they play.
Maybe I’m crazy, who knows, but something just tells me SC will find a way to screw up just enough, and UF will be a little better than some are predicting…
Whoa. Florida at Florida would still be a great win for us regardless of how many lumps they have at the time as a result of a murderous schedule, but they will not win the SEC East this year.
Garcia could stay in his hotel room with the girls and booze the night of the SC/UF game and I think Carolina still wins that one in Columbia. Throw in almost automatic losses to Bama and LSU (talk about bad schedule timing for UF with the round-robin western division assignments this year), and it’s probably between UF and UGA for first runner up.
It'd have to be a weird scenario
with an undefeated FSU, an undefeated SEC team, and an undefeated Oregon. Someone is going to get left out.
Hopefully...
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 21, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
if espn started a campaign talking about how we’re back and deserve a shot at the national championship and Oregon had it’s shot last year…
IMO one of the greatest factors in all of this
What-if talk about undefeated is highly dependent upon the team’s fashion of winning.
While the ACC might not be “seen as a good conference” if FSU dominates and looks very impressive confirming what the media is wanting to believe and a team such as Oregon squeaks by a 1 or 2 loss LSU and FSU beats and undefeated VT at the end, I dont see how Oregon is impassable.
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Oregon will win at least 9 of its games by 30.
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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 22, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't they lose some important pieces on defense?
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thats my point - he needs work but can't get it - being held out is a big deal
if he plays the first two games and pratices everyday for those game weeks and OUs – then it is not such a big deal
I would hope they're participating in non-contact drills.
So they aren’t just twiddling their thumbs on the sidelines.
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Question:
Does the SEC have a good enough reputation that a one loss team would be in the national championship game over an undefeated oregon or fsu?
Really, really, really unlikely
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
it'd have to be something ridiculous
like a very weak year for the ACC and Oklahoma losing landry jones to injury and only winning 7 games, right?
You mean if FSU and Oregon are both undefeated?
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As for what the pros think about the teams mentioned
VT is 10 over -150
OkSt is 8 under -300
SCe is 9 under -130
From Bodog for reg season only
Yeah, VT should be -200. UNC and Miami potentially in trouble.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Seeing that picture of Bradham and EJ....
EJ is absolutely huge. If and when he gets beyond the linebackers, who is going to tackle him?
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I saw him the other day
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 22, 2011 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions
If we, by the grace of God, go undefeated
It will work itself out and we’ll be in the big game. But all this undefeated talk is kind of overly optimistic. I just don’t see it this year. We are still a young team, with a new quarterback and pretty thin at OLine (not in bodies, but experience). Our defense also needs to prove itself on the field. A ton of potential but not proven yet. Could undefeated happen? Sure. Just like Rix could have been a Heisman candidate with his tools. But I think at this point we are jumping the gun. Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but I see 2 losses before bowl game.
I just want us to play all the tough games at least very close (OU, Clemson, VTech), but dominate the teams we should. In other words, distance ourselves from the mediocre ACC teams and become the obvious powerhouse from our division. That would make this season a success in my eyes.
Then next year, we are a true contender for MNC.
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Agree. My expectations are to play 14 and be within 2 games of 12-2.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 21, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree as well.
I mention the LSU – Oregon thing earlier because I think its much more likely to benefit FSU if LSU loses. In the hypothetical that we’re both undefeated, we’ll deal with the fallout then. But for now… LSU is right down the road from FSU, and a serious OOC loss for LSU and the SEC West might… MIGHT help us juuuuuust a bit with recruiting. That is, until we get the SEC invite. Just my .02.
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yeah it's not likely that we go undefeated
just something to talk about until actual football starts. Everyone in the top 10 is having this same conversation right now.
Every team is undefeated until half of them lose.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
You'll notice that in Jimbo's interviews esp. when he is outside, he's always snorting and sucking phlem
Must have allergies. As he gets older, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a hanky.
OU is the key
If FSU get by OU then the undefeated talk is on the table.
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IF we get past OU and Clemson the week after,
THEN undefeated talk is on the table. We should not overlook Clemson especially playing them in Death Valley
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Or BC on 4 days rest or at UF. The Turds will be playing much better the last game of the season than they are at the beginning just like our team last year.
Still plenty of talent on the Gator squad and they would get up for a game where they could be the spoiler of a perfect Nole season.
Undefeated talk is ALWAYS on the table until you lose.
Fans can talk about it all they want.
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But OU/Clemson is arguably the toughest test on the road to it (think you could also argue UF/ACCCG), so I think folks are right to see those two games collectively as being the point at which you can start to entertain the possibility if we win them.
Unless and until we do, I can’t take the undefeated talk seriously.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 22, 2011 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree if we start 4-0 that going undefeated would be more than just talk.
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Agreed completely.
I get why folks want to talk about it. It’s the first time in a long time that going undefeated has been something of a possibility. It could happen, but I agree that we’re probably just not there yet. Need a bit more experience.
We should focus on winning the ACC and state championship. Doing those two things and hitting 11 or 12 wins (counting ACCCG and bowl) would set us up very nicely to make a run next year.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 22, 2011 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I will be happy if we are in each game until the end
If we are competitive in every game again, we will get the recognition. You have to have a lot of luck to go all the way to the top.
We know we are bigger, more experienced, used to the system, we have some playmakers, etc. WE are in the conversation.
However, From 1987 until 2001 we were right there every year-we only won it all twice, which is really great. I want to finish in the top 5 again every year, then I know we will have a chance. I want us to play the big games, win, lose or draw, we need to be there.
I agree except...
I will be happy if we are in each hard game until the end
.
We need to distance ouselves in the games against the middle of the pack teams. Maybe one of them close, because of the odds, but overall take firm control of our divison would make me happy.
Not sure I would be too happy with that.
…are in each game until the end. If we are competitive in every game again, we will get the recognition.
Just ask a Clemson fan how that works out.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is the rumor of Demps being academically ineligible true?
Not that we couldn’t handle that loss. Just curious.
I have heard he may be academically ineligible
Because of the concussion
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love @caine115
I won’t deny that, but will also say that FSU has not confirmed.
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Z. Sanders
I have always felt he was our best offensive tackle. I wanted him to play left tackle over Datko all season because of his athleticism. I would not be surprised to see Sanders go a round or two before Datko.
My prediction for 2011 is 12-2 (6-2)
I expect to be in contention for the National Title but a late loss will bounce us out of it. We should finish in the Top 5 and win the whole thing EJ's senior year. Legal_Seminole 01/09/2011
by Legal_Seminole on Aug 21, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
Well Datko doesn't give up sacks
So he’s our Left Tackle. Ain’t broke. Don’t fix it. Hell. Running more smoothly than any other car in America, don’t fix it.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
Completely disagree.
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With moving him.
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agreed
"We have to start over. We have to develop our own identity, our own chemistry, our own unity, our own vision of where we want to go...This is just the beginning. Because remember one thing – I tell you all the time: Boys do what they want to do. Champions do what they’ve got to do. " CJF
I am pulling for Holmes
I hate to see bad things like this happen to such good kids. Holmes is very intelligent and will certainly be successful no matter what happens. He has a bright future regardless but I still hope to see him playing ball for FSU.
Some good reads regarding OU over on Rivals. It has been discussed at length but I still can’t believe the buzz saw we have to go through with OU fast tempo offense and travel to CU the next week and face something very similar. This will very interesting to see how the coaches and players handle this situation.
Sucks to hear that Dabo might be growing up some as reported on STS.
Maybe this paves the way for Wilder to go the DJ Williams route playing on O as a Freshman and switching to D his soph year, even though, Holmes, and Wilder would play two diff lb positions
by az5950 on Aug 21, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...Me too
I’m selfish. With Pender coming in, I’d love to see WIlder @ LB.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
What?
There is a 2 or 3 person movement on TMB to move Wilder to fullback.
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And Chad Abram.
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Abram's my bet, but would JWJ start at LB?
With Jones, Williams, Telvin, and Luc, and all but Williams here for the two years after, would JWJ start any time before his senior year? If so, might be hard to get him to drop O for D. I’d prefer to have him at LB, but he might prefer to take over Lonnie’s role. I’d prefer to have him at LB b/c I think he’d be good there and we’re pretty thin already.
I want JWJ moving only if and when he decides he wants to do so.
I think we set a very nice precedent for ourselves with future recruits for holding up our end of that bargain.
Agreed
JWJ has been on campus for a couple months at most. There are 3 returning upperclassmen at RB, and JWJ has just started to learn not only the playbook but the college game. He came to FSU to be a RB, and the coaches promised him a chance. I would hope the fans would do the same.
I, for one, still want to see him tote the rock in the G and G. I loved watching Greg Jones go all Insane Dump Truck on folks back in the day.
I think he could end up being a Sammie Smith (minus the fumbles) type of runner for us. Obviously D-Free is going to be difficult competition, but the two of them could be something special together.
Practice ?
I don’t like hearing all the news from coaches. Do we really know anything about this team? All this weight gain-are they slow, fast, quick??? Are the Receivers actually catching the ball? Are we running wide open, or still getting set? Where are we in the preparation?
All we an do is trust and analyze what the coaches are saying...
We’ll have a decent idea on the team in 13 days.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 21, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't help it.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Nice and half way green.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Which coach does Kevin Costner play? Yikes...
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 21, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Trickett
Jimbo is the Tomas Crown of NCAAFB
by stevegrizzle on Aug 21, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Can he pull off the tough marine?
I never bought him as Robin Hood… he didn’t inspire confidence in storming the castle, with that high-pitched voice and all…
I could see him as DJ Elliot
Someone like Clint Eastwood or Jack Nicholson would be a better Trickett.
by SanDiegoSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino
kinda reminds me of what Coach Trickett would be like
Too quiet. Not enough cussing.
…And Trickett only WISHES he could point an M-14 at someone in practice.
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Hmm. I really wanted Mel Gibson.
Those rants would have been epic.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
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He can play himself
IF he becomes a big-time Seminole Booster. Otherwise, he doesn’t make the movie…
Keanu Reeves agrees
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Aug 21, 2011 11:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Does he have the crazy eyes to pull that off?
(Or are these Hungry Eyes? I can never tell the difference)
Someone told him Charlie Weiss skipped breakfast
That’s actually concern on his face
I agree, but thankfully
he didn’t ruin 13 Days or JFK.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 22, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Bowden, but only at a post-apocalyptic FSU.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
CJF said the receivers are the best
he has seen since he has been at FSU, and bear in mind that they practice against one of the best secoundaries in the country every day.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
When Jimbo talks everybody listens
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Kind of like when you talk.
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-Nick Moody has been taking reps at linebacker behind Christian Jones. The battle for the starting safety job isn’t about making plays, it’s about not missign assignments.
-Increased competition at receiver helps guys focus more on a down-to-down basis.
-The injuries aren’t ideal, but none are considered major. I won’t call them minor.
-The weight gain is good. Not going to run a bunch of fatties out there.
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Wow
Writing was on the wall, but the Moody move surprises me. Essentially hands the job to Los next season.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
It’s not a move, just some reps.
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Well Moody back to LB is interesting news
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 21, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not a move. Think of it as a backup plan.
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Or, perhaps for special packages.
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Ok that weighs easier on my mind then
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 21, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
does that make Parks the starting FS
or is Brooks a possibility? (Note: on the depth chart Brooks is behind Joyner at SS)
Championship!
So does that mean Parks is likely to be the starter?
Or is he still getting his reps at safety too?
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 21, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Still getting reps at safety too
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Stoops works guys at numerous positions just in case
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.....Thomas Jefferson
"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
I also wonder if some cross training
Is to give the players a better understanding of the defensive scheme as a whole?
One of the best things at any position is to take reps at a different one.
Always thought it helped players actually learn the defense and how the guy at a different spot will react to a play. THus making them more instinctive at their spot.
Definitely think the competition at WR is helping Dawsey..
Forces those guys to listen and learn.
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probably Dorian. maybe Mixolydian
(clearly my posts are getting nerdier. the other day was math, now this)
by stevib on Aug 22, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everybody watch out, stevib's in a mode today
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Wake goes to 3-4
Their 3 downlinemen average less than 260. FSU @ WF officially a bye.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Or rather, Wake is now Wake as we grew up knowing them.
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DING
You’re now free to move about the conference.
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Aug 21, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like it, though I would like "you are now free to move to the south eastern conference" better
by NoleRaised on Aug 21, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What is the deal on the SEC?
I get the feeling they are running from FSU
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I think you are right.
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What do you mean by running from FSU? Please explain in more detail.
And if you’re suggesting you think what I do which is that Texas A & M and one more team will soon enough be joining the SEC…and that FSU will not be that one more team…then who do you see it being at this point?
A lot of SEC folks say FSU is not an option and list various reasons.
I’ve seen us hurting UF’s recruiting as well as UGA’s, Bama’s and Auburn’s. I’ve seen UF’s financial lead over us being drastically cut as a reason. I’ve seen “original members” not wanting to see an “outsider” win an SEC or national title while a part of the SEC as a reason. I’ve seen many folks say they only want the SEC to add mid-tier teams as to not affect the top schools reign on the conference.
I just don’t get why they’d expand if they weren’t going to add the best, though. Adding mid-packers isn’t going to get them Big Ten/Pac 12-type money. And FSU is one of the best schools they could invite, imo.
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BC they want to lobby for a 2nd automatic BCS bid for their conference
The strong teams, Bama, UF, LSU, want to keep their strength entrenched. Adding FSU does not help.
The mid-teams UGA, USC, TN, Arky want a chance to make it to a BCS game without having to be Bama, UF, LSU. If they have a good year as they have in the past, they’d have a shot at a BCS. Adding another powerhouse does not help them.
A mid-tier team wouldn’t water down the SEC if it gets them a second BCS qualifier. If you get a mid-tier team in a new location like aTm, then you can try to steal some market share thunder. You can also add all of the things you listed.
If you’re the ACC, you want to bring the best to chance the perseption about strength of conference.
Mid-tier teams would absolutely water down the SEC.
The SEC already has basically 2 guaranteed BCS games. And both teams do not make $20M or whatever the BCS payout is. Only the conference champ makes that. The other one only gets like $5M. There’s really no revenue gained there.
If you’re ANY conference and you want to increase revenue you want to bring as good of programs as possible. Not just the ACC.
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Only thing to worry about is the field at Wake Forest.
We’ve had a few of our bigger name players (i.e. Greg Jones) get hurt on that field because it was crap.
Added field turf...shouldn't be an issue.
A wise polish man once said: If you don't look out for #1, you get a hand full of #2
by PalmAireNole on Aug 21, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Let Crowton be Crowton, I like it
Nobody probably remembers but I said from the start Crowton would not last with Lester. He put up with it longer than I thought he would though.
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What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Aug 21, 2011 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 20 recs
That. Is. Awesome.
Noltergeist.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 21, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
This is too great
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 21, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ghost Nole is a Pu$$@ - he needs to man up like Bradham and play without a helment
by 93noleman on Aug 21, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
he plays without pads
cut the dude a break
by NolenRyan on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You got the original photo?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Where can I post Game tickets
I have season tickets but I am only able to make certain games, right now the only game I can def make is OU. They are in Section 30 Row 24, I am not sure where to post these tickets. They are available for Sep 3 if anyone is interested.
yes sir, send me an email with info please
Would be very interested, was just on stub hub trying to figure out what games we wanted to go to and discussing purchasing season tix nest year.
If you can't sell them on here there is a Stub Hub link through Seminoles.com that you can try.
http://www.stubhub.com/florida-state-tickets/?gcid=C12289x175-spbubble
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Clemson
Reading that article from STS makes me fell better about our game in Death Valley. I know it is a tough place to play (our record there certainly is a testament to that) and we are coming off the OU game, but if their OL and DL are as thin as they say, then we shouldn’t have too much of a problem with them.
by SanDiegoSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
Interesting take. I see that as more of a season issue and not a game issue.
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Definitely a season issue
And if they weren’t coming off of a game with the defending national champs, I wouldn’t consider it a huge deal that early in the season. However, and I know Auburn is losing a lot of folks (but they still have a ton of talent), I think the chances of Clemson’s OL/DL coming out of that game without some dings are slim to none.
by SanDiegoSeminole on Aug 21, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Conversely, I see who starts at left and right guard for OU as a very interesting game issue.
Confident Jones will see the ground more than he did last year.
Our record in Death Valley is a testament to fielding an average team.
which, hopefully, we are not, anymore.
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