Noles News 08.24.11: Jimbo Says Seminoles' Injuries Not Serious
Florida State scrimmaged yesterday. Head coach Jimbo Fisher said the 'Noles had bright spots and low lights on both sides of the ball. He was not happy with the consistency, but was happy with the big plays made by both sides. Real Talk: Not much is getting done with all the offensive line injuries.
But on that front, Fisher did say that almost all of the injuries are not serious and that the guys would be back soon. That includes star left tackle Andrew Datko, who Fisher said doesn't need to be out on the field banging. He said that running back Chris Thompson's issue is one of pain tolerance. That back must be barking something fierce, because Thompson is a tough, tough kid.
Gerald Demps did practice, meaning the rumor that he failed out appears to be false at this point.
Other than that, Fisher didn't reveal much about the scrimmage. He said that EJ looked good, but the statement was relative and should be read as "good, considering what he was dealing with." I do think this is going to be a very good defense. We'll have more on that later this week.
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Nobody celebrates their college football history as well as the Oklahoma Sooners. For the 2011 season to live up to the "Preseason No. 1" hype, the line play will have to improve enough to complement the marquee skill position talent.
Below is a small handful of projection and change factors most pertinent to the Football Outsiders' preseason projections you will find in the Football Outsiders Almanac 2011.
Four-Year F/+ Rk 3 Five-Year Recruiting Rk 7 TO Margin/Adj. TO Margin**** +14 / +9.5 Approx. Ret. Starters (Off. / Def.) 15 (8, 7) Yds/Pt Margin***** -3.7 Like Alabama, Oklahoma has more going for it than just about any team in the country: top five in recent performance, top ten in recruiting, interception-heavy turnover margin they may be able to duplicate, boatload of returning starters. Alabama got the nod for the No. 1 team in our Football Outsiders Almanac 2011 projections, but really, there were only two legitimate candidates. The line play scares me, but at this point in the preseason, something about every single team makes me wary.
The schedule could be as big an obstacle as anything. Not only does the Big 12's nine-game conference schedule begin, and not only do they have to play Oklahoma State in Stillwater for the second straight year ... but they also have to head off to Tallahassee to take on Florida State. That's two more road games versus preseason Top 10 teams than Alabama faces. Plus ... by mid-October, the Sooners will have played Florida State, Missouri and what will likely be an improved Texas team. Another slow start is not recommended.
Oklahoma is consistently very, very good.
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Clemson is looking well coached. You know something is going on if the guys at STS are optimistic overall.
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Very cool here.
Other CFB
Start fast. End strong. B.Y.U. always does the latter; it’ll need to do the former in order to live up to this lofty ranking, let alone begin justifying the program’s ultimately beneficial – extremely beneficial – move from the Mountain West to independence. Can a team be made or broken by four games? Well, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say the Cougars begin play as an Independent with a key opening month, one that features dates with Mississippi, Texas, Utah and U.C.F., the final two at home. Does the year end at 0-4? It doesn’t end, but there’s no great gains to be made with that start. What of 1-3? It would be disappointing, to put it lightly. And 2-2? Survivable. And 3-1? Then the Cougars are primed for 10 or 11 wins in the regular season, that’s what, and put in the group of people who see that coming to pass in 2011. What’s that you say? It’s a small group, consisting primarily of myself? Then get on board, as there’s room to spare – get on board with a top coaching staff, a blossoming quarterback, a deep corps of running backs and receivers, one of the top offensive lines in the country and a front seven that matches up well with any team on this schedule. What’s that, you’re thinking 8-4? That would be a disappointment: not with the way B.Y.U. ended last year, with what is returned and with what’s on the line for this team. And you know what else? I think Mendenhall and the Cougars know that everyone will be watching, keeping an eye on our newest Independent, which I believe will help the Cougars offset their typical early-season lull. And as we know full well, B.Y.U. always, always, always finishes strong. I think very highly of this team. That’s just me. But there’s room on the bandwagon if you want to get aboard.
Remember that BYU team FSU dominated last year? They finished the year pretty strong and have a great schedule this season.
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I think this defense is going to be special
It won’t surprise any of us here at TN, but the national media may really take a step back and talk about this defense if we hold our 1st two opponents under ten total points, and Oklahoma in the 20s. I really think this is realistic. We could hold either of the 1st two scoreless if some things go our way. Oklahoma game is where we will really see if this unit has come together and understands Stoops scheme.
First 3 games meaningless
The first two games are against inferior, you can’t expect us to playing at 100%, If I were the coach, I would play everybody that I could in that game. Evaluate where each individual player is and not worry about the score so much.
The third game, Ok, is against in my opinion, we are going to play against the best Offense in College Football for the year 2011. The QB and WR has been starting for three years, that is super experience. IMO, they practice everyday against a similar Defense to ours.
Win or lose at Oklahoma we still won’t know where we are.
If I were Jimbo,
I’d play as many back-ups, Freshmen, etc. as possible against ULM, CS, Wake, Duke & Virginia. These games won’t be close and are the perfect opportunity for young guys to gain experience.
Championship!
I want to see shutouts in both 1st halves for the first 2 games.
Don’t care if they put up 3 to 13 points in the 2nd.
As for some other benchmarks… and throwing these off the top of my head, so hopefully they’re not completely unrealistic for a top 5 team vs. scrubs, but, anyway:
- 1st team O needs to score TDs on 75% of its possessions before we let off the gas. Maybe that’s a high mark for season openers, but these teams are garbage size- and talent-wise, which means EJ’s legs alone should be able to get us a 1st down whenever we feel like we want it. (Not that I want EJ sacrificing his body in these games… just saying, if they’re actually covering our receivers, he should have plenty of room for a 5-and-slide.)
- Would like to see EJ with at least a 3:1 TD/INT ratio over the course of the 2 games, showing a little patience/discernment back there in the pocket (as well as demonstrating receivers are not running the wrong routes).
- 100 yards rushing OR 250 total yards by end of both first halves.
Again, these are garbage teams, so really all you may be able to tell is whether or not you have any serious issues that cause you to struggle. Generally, if we steamroll from the kickoff I will be happy… but if we’re in one of these 1st half quagmires of old, I get concerned.
Anyone have any other benchmarks for 1st team performance in these first 2 games?
I love how Jimbo is running the practices. Remember 5 years ago we would have like 5 ACL tears every offseason. Are O line will get plenty of practice in the first two games. There is no need for our own guys to hurt each other.
Also, bad for us (readers) good for the team, Jimbo is not revealing too much about the practices. He gives praise, but never too much. He never gives specific numbers. He is like a more personable Bill Belichick.
Remember 5 years ago we would have like 5 ACL tears every offseason
It was ridiculous. I thought we were recruiting kids with sh*tty knees on purpose or something
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
When Aaron Gresham and Tavares Pressley tore their ACL's in summer 2008, the injuries occured less than 5 minutes apart during the same drill.
I’m 99% certain of this.
Wow
Anyone know what drill?
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by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
'tackle low as you
can, with your helmet’ drill
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Minrod (sp?)
Knew him back from highschool days. Kid had two BAD knee injuries at EastLake. I couldnt believe it when the Noles offered him. He got nicknamed the Monster in the FSU wieght room, but I realy think Were targeting kids with pre-existing injury problems for a while
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Aug 25, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Jimbo, the master of saying a ton of stuff at 90 MPH, yet saying nothing at all.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Jeebus,
Seriously.He is getting better and better at it.
“How as the practice Coach?”
“It was great and bad, good and evil, physical but sloppy, but still focused, guys played hard but could be better but still think a great job but at times only just sloppy other times you know tired legs trying to focus, it’s a grind, just grinding, nothing special about practice, but loved the attitude, still can’t execute, but really hope we get better at some things, defense made big plays, offense made big plays, sloppy though at times, just practice….”
That basically sums up his last 3 weeks of interviews.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Made of Glass
I’m starting to think our O-Line is made of glass, I’m tired of hearing excuses about the O-Line not being ready and as a result the O did the best they could. We’re what 10 days away? They better lose the Maxi Pads and get tough. Because the best, or good considering the injuries isn’t going to cut it against OU.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
I really hope you’re being sarcastic with this. FSU’s offensive line has been consistently very good for the last two seasons, and routinely plays through injury that would require surgery on less-tough guys.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well. People also forget
We actually have 2 cupcakes to start the season. Which is 2 more weeks of practice and game time. We are not opening against UM or some kickoff classic with a rough first game that we need to have players banging so hard in practice before to get ready. I rather them keep those “Maxi Pads” on for veterans that will be fine then bang out their and lose them before we ever get to OK.
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"Can't play without Datko"
Love that line by Jimbo.
JF is being smart
I wouldn’t say they are made of glass. He is holding back the 3 with the most experience (Spurlock, Datko and Sanders), instead of risking an injury. That is just smart. These guys have played long enough to know what they are doing. No need to put them in added risk. They’ll get their needed reps in the 2 pre-season games. Because of that, they have 3 back-ups playing and a new center who is learning as well. This will lead to inconsistency on any line.
100% agree
Those 3 no whats up they have been here for 3-4years. They will be back he said this week for game prep, which is very smart.
And on top of that
Those that are playing are going against one of the best and deepest Defensive Lines In The Nation along with a very sound and talented secondary.
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by Seminole4Ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets hope they stay healthy for the first two games.
Experienced, seasoned vets that are supposed to be locks to play on Sundays still need reps. Especially when you get your a$$ handed to you for a sack on 4 straight plays….by a guy thats been on campus for 2 weeks. Jernigan or not…
by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That was Werner who did that, not Jernigan
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the correction Bud.
Still a little concerning. Hoping that Werner has become just that good.
by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Also,
learned that Sanders had the groin problem the very next day. Wonder how much of practice he tried to go through with it hurting.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
So that solves the "who loses when an immoveable object meets and unstoppable force" question
Answer: anyone not wearing Garnet and Gold
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 24, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No sarcasm here
Its same old story all camp, O-Line is injured. Lets get it figured out!
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
What would you propose?
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Suck it up
Knees, yes sit out get it fixed, but come on these guys need reps, a lot of them were out for Spring. Datko that is a different story. But who knows that first game might get pushed back to the 3rd game and the last thing we need is the guys “shaking off the rust” against the Sooners. Bottom line, if we are running pro-style practices that are intended to avoid injury, then why are we having injuries at the line position? Or are we really, really that cautious. As in someone says ouch and we give them two days off?
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
Stop by practice and suggest to Trickett and the boys they "suck it up"
by Blue Horseshoe on Aug 24, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Was just picturing someone tell Trickett to get his men to suck it up.
Someone videotape that please.
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by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you would literally grabbing at shoe strings
trying to pull the boot out of your ass afterwards
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Rust
Wont they be “shaking of the rust” in the first 2 games?
"When you’ve got that FSU on your shirt, it’s strong." - Coach Eddie Gran
FSU opens with Charleston Southern and Louisiana Monroe. Rust shaken.
I’ll say this: THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO NEW SERIOUS INJURIES TO STARTERS OR KEY RESERVES.
There is a lot more teaching going on. Less banging.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Has this always been Jimbo's mindset for running practice?
I was under the impression that he thought we were “soft” when he got here.
I think increased competition creates a bit more toughness. And he’s not holding everyone out, just certain guys.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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ha wtf? seriously?
thats like running a ‘helmet knocked off drill’
“ok guys, this drill is supposed to simulate getting your helmet knocked off during a game, but still finishing the play. Ok Bert, lose the helmet. Luc, you make the tackle. Go!”
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
REC'd for bringing back imagery of MOST high school coaches in my day.
I mean, they didn’t exactly run THAT drill, but basically everything short of it.
I remember that No-Helmet drill....
well, kind of. It fades in and out.
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 24, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
and I agree with the approach. It just seems I remember something along the lines of the team not being ready to hit in the games because they weren’t running full contact in practice. I could be wrong.
Rmember the days when
The defense used to go out and make plays (instead of having a playbook) – Even when “making a play” meant hurting your teammates on the other side of the ball.
Bud is on the $$$ here.
People are forgetting that FSU, due to the schedule, is really having two extra weeks of “practice.” I know they are games in those two weeks but that is longer to practice, do walk throughs, and hit game film than in regular seasons with some type of kick off classic. Coach is exactly right to hold guys out. We have more time to prep and shake rust off than probably the last 10 years…
I think you misunderstand the difference between an injury and a tweak
We can,minimize injuries practicing like we do, but nothing can stop tweaks. However, holding a guy out who tweaked his groin, hamstring, etc. can,help prevent that tweak from turning into something far more serious.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
I think I heard a coach distinguish between being "injured" and being "hurt"
by Blue Horseshoe on Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
James Cann...
Acting as a coach….although the analogy still applies.
by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Nowhere near what college football is like...
Or is it? Still fun to watch. “It’s not hard to put on 30 pounds over the summer if you hit the gym real hard.” YEEEAAAAHH
by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
None of my non FSU friends wanted to believe
it was basically FSU when the movie came out.
Scary accurate now that our QB did lay in the street. Funny how that worked out.
"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith
by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree that its inspired by FSU
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
never looked into it
but my buddy told me they made the movie with FSU in mind, but after FSU read it they refused to sign off on it. and thats exactly why the ESU wolf looks like a spear and the Unis are super close
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Aug 25, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Caan did a great job of acting in his role as head coach of a major college program.....
Almost as well as Urban Myer i’d say.
by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mobile rec
Someone hit this for me please.
Pursue some path, however narrow and crooked, in which you can walk with love and reverence.
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by slumgullion on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Done...My old coach looks like Caan...
He told a reporter from the Miami Hearald doing the story on our team when asked about upcoming season:
“Well, for being slow, weak and friendly I think the team might win a game or two”
"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"
by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife’s friend hooked up with Caan’s son. Does that count for anything?
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And D list celebrities. At least for one night
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Halle Berry, Mmmmmm.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Rec’d. We don’t want minor turning into major.
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good point
Most of these things except for maybe Spurlock and Thompson appear to be closer to tweak than serious injury.
What we can’t afford is to be running out 4 or 5 new starters against Oklahoma, because our guys wanted to get tough and practice with nagging injuries that a week’s worth of light duty would have sorted out.
The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.
And IMO there is a
huge benefit to having the experienced OL sit out during practice: the young OL get quality practice time against our DL. Let’s be clear: the ’11 OL class are all GAM and are either physically ready now or will be by the end of the season (unlike previous OL classes). At this point the young OL just need to learn how to play and the best way to do this is practice & PT. Look at other elite programs, e.g., Oklahoma: their true Freshmen OL get PT in games and end up starting as RS Fr. Now FSU is like the other elite programs—we recruit GAM.
Championship!
by TLHWG on Aug 24, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Another thing about playing the backup OL is experience for EJ
Jimbo said EJ didn’t have a chance in the scrimmage; just too much pressure. Putting the backup OL in force EJ to make quick reads and decisions; causes him to play instinctively and at game-level speed. Most games should be a lot less difficult than what EJ is currently facing.
I did not like Jimbo saying:
A) We had receivers who were wide open
2) said wide open receivers were dropping balls; and
D) the offense was making big plays on the D.
Makes me think our secondary is getting burned and our wideouts have hands of stone. Don’t like either.
He also said that was inconsistent with what he saw all camp
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Could that be a result of Stoops working on something new with the D?
It might explain open WRs and big plays…
Is that even possible?
Makes me think our secondary is getting burned and our wideouts have hands of stone.
It is better to fail honorably than to succeed by deceit.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. We had a number of drops last season and both Reid and our safeties allowed a number of big plays.
It was no where near what happened the season before and the DBs got better as the season went on. You still have Parks/Moody and probably still have Reid freelancing a bit. Even though there has been high praise for Joyner, he’s playing a new position now. You also have Jones and Williams in the short zones and possibly Telvin, Terrell, and Luc in those zones — all of whom may need some work. Fisher didn’t say, so we don’t know whether the big plays were deep balls or throws to the short zones with YAC. I’d be inclined to think the big plays were to the underneath type routes going the distance b/c I doubt EJ had much time to get a deep ball off. May have also been EJ scrambling and guys breaking off coverage before he crossed the LOS and leaving deep guys open. Jimbo did say there were wide open guys dropping passes.
So yes, it is possible that out secondary can get burned. Our O with its backup/crap line getting its share of “big plays” is not what I want to hear.
Yes. We had a number of drops last season and both Reid and our safeties allowed a number of big plays.
Against each other? Your comment was about a scrimmage between our DBs and our WRs. I pose the same question- how can our WRs have “stone hands” and yet burn our secondary at the same time?
It is better to fail honorably than to succeed by deceit.
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
WRs burn the secondary to get open, but then drop the ball when thrown to due to stone hands. Worst of both worlds.
We also really have no idea the extened
Of any of this other then what Jimbo says. For all we know he ran 20 plays and 1 broke and he said it was unacceptable. We can all understand some of the more basic code of Jiimbonish. But we never know what specifically he was looking a from day to day that bothered him or didn’t bother him. Hes not the coach that will always say we did this good and had a little trouble with xx but it is improving. He says flat out I was upset with what xx was doing today and if 90% of the prectice is great but what he was looking for that day didnt go as well as planned he will talk in that Jimbonish more and we dont have any true translators for it. Overall. A week and a half from season. Hes not talking about crazy fights for tarting positions and what really needs to be worked on. When you have a championship caliber team. Your idea of bad days and the reality of what is bad or dissapointing are 2 different things. And also remember both sides are facing off against one of the top teams in CFB. Defense practicing against a great O and vice versa means some plays will get made because the talent on both sides. I am not worried about the team being ready at all when the season rolls around. Not in Jimbo year 2. And not with the rest of the staff and competition on field. But he certainly can’t come out everyday in a tied dye TShirt saying everything is great. He talks about the almost military aspect of breaking his team to see how they handle it. Coaching in the 21st century 101 Jimbo is an expert in
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wow, sorry for the long rambling
Not sure if I ever even got a point made across post
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
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Let's hold off on questioning Jimbo's decisions
At least until he gives us a reason to. We don’t need that kind of salt on Sugar Mountain.
I'm only 31
Go Noles
Go Bucs
This week
we’ve had Faircloth, Sanders, Jackson, Pettis, Spurlock and Datko out (Just this week alone). What is the deal? Who do we point the finger too, we are running a low risk practice and we’re still getting plagued with the injury bug? I know Vic is the man when it comes to stregnth and conditioning, but are these kids not properly stretching and getting the conditioning or are they being put in situations where they shouldn’t be? Just seems a little odd to me all these nagging injuries that are popping up or haven’t healed from the end of last season? We’ve had a year to figure this out…. I’m not doctor just stating the obvious.
FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!
Break them down individually and I think you will decide that there is not much to wory over. Try it.
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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)
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Did you recently watch the ESPN film 'Junction Boys'?
Jimbo’s style will not correlate to that movie.
Injuries
Maybe you’re confusing “Injuries” with precaution. It seems to me that these guys arent injured per say. I deem injured as…they wouldnt play first game if it was tomorrow. Seems to me that most of the O-line WOULD play the first game if it was tomorrow. Thats not injured. Thats being typically banged up at start of camp.
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Banged up.
Once again, back to my original concern, if we’re running these cautious pro-style practices then why are we seeing people getting banged up. I get that its football and that even though its toned down it’s still physical. But lets be real, we all wish that these guys were are 100%, yeah they would start tomorrow, but would they be 100%? Zebrie has what groin problems? And we all know those can be nagging and not come back as soon as anticipated. Faircloth has a knee issue, which I see the need for precaution on that as O-Linemen take a beating of the knees. Pettis has the elbow issue, personally i’d of rubbed dirt on it and put some tape on it and gone. Spurlock has the concussions, so what is his regiment, I saw that he had his first full practice the other day. Is that practice full speed or is he held to a different routine? And Datko as I said I’m not concerned with. So I realize that these injuries aren’t that bad. So why are we still seeing the finger pointed when mishaps happen to the banged up O-line? Lets stop saying were doing the best we can with the depleted O-Line and just get it done in practice. I guess i’m just too old school.
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Guys are going to get banged up even with the approach. But if they get banged up, they make sure the guys don’t really aggravate something.
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How much more can we ask for?
Lets assume (and pray) that the season starts with basically the same injuries/tweaks/nicks as we are hearing about now…how much more can we ask for? Look at OU – sadly a kid died and their senior most LB is likely out. Think I just read BC has major injuries at RB and DB. It could be much worse. If you told me that this is as bad as it would be for FSU at mid-summer I would take it in a heartbeat.
by NicktheNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
And dont assume you know the extent or seriousnes of any injury
Guy can stub his toe and be kept out and they may say so and so sat out with a foot injury.
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a metatarsophalangeal joint sprain is nothing to laugh at
its impossible to play with and takes forever to heal
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
ha nahh
just personal experience and being the son of a Dr.
It was never just “turf toe”
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I know lol
Turf toe can put you out. I didnt actually mean that. My analogy should have used a scraped knee and them saying a knee injury lol
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Tell you what....
Grab a friend that weighs 300 pounds. Then have him run into you constantly for 3 hours a day for a month in 100% humidity and 90 + degree heat and let us know what all he messes up on you.
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by hardcorenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
To play cmk07c’s devil’s advocate
I think the bigger issue for fans is whether to believe Jimbo’s words – which are very hard to parse – or to believe what our eyes are telling us. We really can’t believe that these players aren’t significantly hurt until they begin to play, so in the meantime practice is the only indicator that they are not seriously hurt.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I think as Bud has pointed out
Jimbo runs a very pro camp. And with the size of the team. Thee guys are banging against top units in the nation. Jut like getting a day off here or their is common in football. When you doing 2 a days in 95 degrees and banging hard. Giving players a day here and their depending on drills, whos banged up, and what you are looking for that day to seem to be smart. Do you need every O Line and Dlineman banging heads every practice. Or sitting them for a day to recover from normal bumps and bruises and fatigue seems like a fine idea. I am sure they are still in that gym at 7 am
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Dude--relax. Offensive Line is the most physically-demanding & injury-prone position in football.
Play on either side of the line for 1 season, even in crap-ass semi pro football, and see how you feel after a couple weeks. I didn’t even like to shake hands by halfway through the season because my hands (hands!!!) were trashed. My worst injury (torn Achilles) came while substituting at RT in the 4th quarter of a blowout win.
Tweaks happen. They will not be missing game action for them. This is NOT a toughness issue.
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by DRusso97 on Aug 24, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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for the bold, this is not as toughness issue. Datko played with two shit shoulders for multiple games.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if you have ever been injured.
For those that have, recovery is not always as fast as you would like it. When you read the news hourly and see reports of OL injured, don’t become frustrated that a concussion hasn’t healed up overnight.
And, if you’re worried about injuries, I hope you’re not upset that Jimbo is willing to sit guys in practice who do not need the reps and can otherwise use the time to heal.
Remember that the great Walter Jones never went to training camp. He showed up for the games, dominated, then relaxed in the offseason.
If by "Relaxed" in the offseason you mean strength-trained and conditioned like a mofo, but didn't participate in full contact drills, then yes.
Screw that.
Of course Dunn is who we all love. But A-train had surgery on his neck one morning. THEN flew back so he could play in a game that night! And he scored a goal line TD.
That is a bad mofo.
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by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Figure out an injury?
You don’t “figure out” an injury you rest the injured player until it heals. Especially in the case of a minor injury to a veteran player who doesn’t necessarily need so many practice reps anyway. Having them go out and beat themselves up now would just be idiotic.
by Todd F Packer on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
what does the F stand for in your user name?
giggles
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec Rec Rec...people looked over at me when I laughed
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by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 24, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish they'd do a better job of recruiting!
Sarcasm
by NoleySmokes on Aug 25, 2011 7:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bad morning?
I don’t have any numbers in front of me, but it seems like there are a lot fewer injuries than in years past (esp pre-Stroud era) everywhere, including the OL.
Maybe there are, maybe not, but I’m surprised anyone would call them pansies. I mean, THIS line? With THIS coach?? Think about all those injuries they’ve played through. Datko had one good arm for the Miami game!
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 24, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
new injury? Not to a starter or key reserve.
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Oh, good Christ.
I don’t think running the risk of serious injury during preseason practice is a sign fo toughness. It’s a sign of lunacy.
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- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe this will help you simmer.
A few key excerpts from: No need to fret: FSU veterans have time to mend
http://nolesports.tallahassee.com/article/20110823/FSU03/110823011/No-need-fret-FSU-veterans-time-mend
Jimbo Fisher doesn’t look like a guy who is all that worried about his team’s mounting injuries.
At various points during Florida State’s preseason camp, Fisher has been without his top two tailbacks, several starting offensive linemen, promising receivers and tight ends, and a handful of key defensive players.
Yet every time he comes off the practice field, the second-year coach simply shrugs his shoulders when reporters hound him for details.
But the truth is when you look at the big picture – when you check out the depth of talent on the Seminoles’ roster and consider that there still is nearly a month remaining before Oklahoma comes to town – you start to understand why Fisher isn’t panicking.
While he would never say so publicly, or maybe even privately, there’s a certain level of comfort that comes with opening the season with home games against Louisiana-Monroe and Charleston Southern.
As much as we will hear over the next two weeks that the Warhawks and the Buccaneers have quality talent and great coaches, the reality is neither team will have the size, speed or numbers to seriously threaten the Seminoles. It’s just that simple.
It’s precisely the reason you play games like these early in the season. And exactly why you do not schedule the way Florida State has for the last 10 years.
Traveling to Oklahoma in week two? Not a great idea.
Repeated Labor Day showdowns with Miami and Clemson? Even worse.
While the "anyone, anywhere, anytime" crowd will argue that Florida State’s program was built on this type of scheduling, it’s a road map for failure in the modern era.
College football players are so big, so fast and so strong that injuries seem to occur on just about every series.
Then when you factor in scholarship limitations – we’ve gone from 105 to 95 to 85 over the last three decades – and longer seasons (the best teams will play 14 games, not 11 or 12), the national champion often is not the best team, but the best one left standing.
That’s why Fisher isn’t a fan of scheduling a murderer’s row of non-conference competition.
Play the ACC’s eight-game slate. Play Florida. Play one other decent opponent.
But fill out the schedule with a couple of patsies. Not to boost the win count or to pad the stats, but to reduce the risk of injury.
If Florida State was opening this season with Oklahoma or Clemson, I’d be willing to wager that some of these injured veterans would be grinding through every last practice. They’d almost have to.
Fisher hinted as much the other day. He mentioned how veteran players at the next level take "half the reps" of their younger teammates.
That allows veterans like offensive tackles Zebrie Sanders and Andrew Datko, who have 37 and 36 career starts respectively, to stay fresh while youngsters such as Bobby Hart and Josue Matias can get valuable practice time with the first string.
"Go look at NFL camps," Fisher said.
It’s an NFL model, indeed.
And these first two games will serve as the Seminoles’ preseason.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
This is very well said
Had we opened with UM or OK in week 2 like we had been doing. Then the outlook on the entire season changes. This is exactly what we have been talking about and defending to people that say they hate cupcakes or want to move the UF game to a week 1 type deal
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Safety Spot
Who do you guys think will win the safety spot between Moody and Parks?
Parks is better than Moody in pass support
Depending on the offensive style of the team we’re facing, then we’ll probably see situational subs/starters. Spread offenses: Parks, pro-style: Moody
Something similar w/ w/ the MLB spot but I think Telvin is capable to lock that down full time.
by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Split Time
I see those guys going back and fourth and getting a similar amount of snaps unless one takes it to a whole another level.
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I want to do a post on this. Are you aware of any team that rotates its safeties?
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If anything, the use of Moody at LB suggests that while he may not start, Stoops wants to get him on the field some.
And he also knows that in nickel situations Moody won’t be a 5th DB ever. So playing time in the secondary may be limited at best.
Plus, when we play OU, they will probably limit substitutions due to their tempo. I’d expect FSU to practice for that in the first two games.
Sorry, but where was it mentioned Moody was splitting at LB? Link?
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I mentioned it the other day. He has taken some reps backing up Christian Jones.
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The too many big plays sounds ominous
Not necessarily of course, but where you have two stops and then give up a big play and EJ throwing “several” touchdown passes, it’s often a safety issue.
You have issues with team cohesiveness when a starter and psychological leader of the defense gets replaced going into a season. My guess is that they’ll hide it (won’t publicly admit that Moody is no longer a starter even if he really isn’t) if Parks gets the nod,
I’m eager to hear what you (Bud) have to say about rotating the safeties. Clearly each has different strong and weak points.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not of any
None jump out at me, but I’ll be willing to bet you can find a team that has different safeties seeing signifficant snaps. Clearly one hasn’t put himself over the other, because we still see that “Or” on the depth chart. I kind of like the idea.
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Didn't UF Rotate
Depending on the scheme, UF ran standard 4-3, 3-3-5 and some 3-4, they would mix it up at the safety spots b/w 3 guys.
I guess another question is, how many teams are/were this versatile?
by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t mind rotating game-to-game, but series to series is a bit weird.
Also want to keep 4 DL in the game at all times.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely Agree
Game to game is fine, guessing from series to series tips your hand and Jimbo isn’t doing that.
Our strengt is our front 4 and our depth, I want them on the field as much as possible specifically in the 4th quarter.
by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't we rotate safeties in the early 2000's?
I remember thinking “oh crap kyler hall is out there. oh crap here comes houlis”
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
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by DRusso97 on Aug 24, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't that seem like the age old adage
of if you have 2 QBs that share playing time, you really have 0 QBs (or whatever the saying is)?
I’m not sure I like the idea of rotation. Def not from series to series – the flow of the game for the player becomes nonexistant.
It could be viewed as being no different than
running different offensive sets. A power back vs a 3rd down back, jumbo sets vs single back sets, your I-formation personell is going to be different for the most part than your 4 WR sets……etc.
by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what youre saying
But on one hand, I would just feel more confident is a player that is the odds on starter.
And to the point of the game flow, I think its different on defense. On defense, you are reading and reacting, while picking up on trends and executing your zone (most of the time) responsibilities. On offense, that I-Back knows okay hit the B gap this play. Maybe I’m oversimplfying or flat wrong, but I think its harder for a safety.
Just playing devil's advocate
I don’t condone that concept, don know why really but I can draw the parallel to the offensive sets vs defensive.
For example: if you had 2 equally talented CBs, one was 6’2" 205 and the other was 5’9" 180, who would you want against a run heavy team where you’re incorporating bump coverage?
by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right but "run-heavy team" implies a different player for the whole game
not switching out seriers to series. (hold for nickel/dime packages b/c there is 1 player per position ie the nickelback).
Switching series to series
Is horrible idea but bringing in a more speed based 2ndary unit on a 3rd and long isn’t. Ideally any player is multiple enough to be left in, but in circumstances where they’re not, Moody vs. Parks, then switching Parks in on 3rd and long is better than leaving Moody in. IMO I’d rather just leave Parks in period. He’s just more versatile than Moody.
I think we’re saying the dame thing, I’m just stating that if you lack the skill sets to do both or have one player better, far better, at one thing then the other, different packages aren’t a bad idea.
by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Situational substitution.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Not for me
I’m from the school of thought that believes in fresh legs. The question for me becomes, “is my number 1 guy, at 80% better than my number 2 at 100%?”
The answer (and the question) changes from player to player, I think.
I think rotating also prepares you better for if one guy goes down with an injury, etc.
Finally, I think a team where you get everyone that you can significant PT is a happier locker room. Some teams win with locker rooms that are angry. BUT, given the chance wouldn’t you rather have a happy one than one that’s pissed off?
Ultimately, it all depends on the quality of your depth and the difference in ability of your 1s versus your 2s. At least that’s the way it works in my mind.
I think fresh legs applies to DL a lot more than at safety
I dont think there is any excuse for a safety to have dead legs in the 4th quarter.
Rotating in practice is a must, which helps in case of injury.
Its nice to make everyone happy, but the best player should play – this isn’t little league. In this specific instance, we might not have a clear cut “better-player” and thats what concerns me some.
Situational Packages/Schemes work well – I’m not arguing against that at all. I just don’t like the thought of arbitrarily playing Moody one full series, the next Parks, or by quarter, or some time share like that. It just lacks the overall continuity I think a player needs to be as succesful as possible at his position.
Best player doesn't play
Do not play the 11 best players. Play the best 11 players. There’s a difference.
If you’re a hoops fan at all, you are familiar with the names Kurt Rambis and Mychael Thompson, that played for the Lakers. There is no question that Thompson was the better player than Rambis. He was the first player taken in the draft after his senior year. But Rambis started. Because that made for the “better team.”
It’s a pet peeve of mine when people say, “the best player plays.” It’s the player that helps get the best end result that plays, hopefully.
Injuries Not Serious
That’s all I need to hear. We’re going to be just fine.
Stay healthy. Stay strong. Stay smart. Win!
It's all about the process
My concern
I keep reading/hearing that our tackles know the score. And I agree with that. However, there is still a certain amount of physical work you have to put in to get ready. NFL tackles know the score better than these guys and they have to put their time in on the field.
I don’t think that playing the two scrub teams is “enough” to get them ready, physically, for the war that we will have against OU. They’re going to have to do some things to get ready, against Jenkins, Werner, Carradine. Just the way it is. The game isn’t played on the white board.
It’s one thing to say, “we’re in BOB here” and it’s another to handle the end!
All of that said, if those guys are injured and can’t go, they can’t go. Not a lot you can do about that. The one thing I’m certain of regarding their injuries is, “it’s not a toughness issue!”
Wow, did you read what I wrote?
I had something really sarcastic to say like “don’t worry, I’m not hiring you if you don’t listen to me” but I decided against it ;-)
No, the weight room isn’t enough. Drills aren’t enough, you have to scrimmage some to get ready for the full speed that is a game. And I have news for you. Even scrimmages aren’t fast enough really. It’s not a switch that can be turned off and on, in my experience, anyway.
It’s tough, it is. I’m not suggesting that our staff do anything different, they are there, I’m not. I’m just concerned, that’s all. But I don’t think that any other answer is better. It may be that due to these problems, we’re not able to handle the ends. OK. That happens in football games. Doesn’t make it the coaches “fault.” You play the cards you’re dealt, but unlike poker, we really don’t get to fold, you know?
It was said
even though summer conditioning stuff is voluntary, they had 100% attendance. Coach Vic has is stuff together, between the summer and strength these guys are in excellent shape.
nope
I was an army officer and played at West Point. Obviously you’re being sarcastic but lord I hate it when people refer to football and players as “the military” and “soldiers”. Urban Meyer, for one…what a jackass.
by JaxNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What I meant was
In the military, you are told what to do. Same in D1 football.
It’s called “voluntary” only because the NCAA makes them. Try missing a workout and see how voluntary it is. Or being late.
Unless I don’t know the meaning of the word voluntary, which I take to be, “show up if you want to and if you don’t want to, then don’t go and there are no repurcussions.”
Absolutly on piont
When I was in the USMC they would say, I need to volunters, you and you.
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How many voulenteers are in to?
I am sorry. I couldn’t resist.
And thnx for your service
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You failed to mention that the "volunteers" are almost always boot.....
If some NCO had tried to “volunteer” me 3 years in….I would have thrown something at his ass.
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sure...
well since i’ve played D-1 football at a military school and then served as an officer, I have done both. but if you don’t go to football practice, you lose your scholarship. if you disobey direct orders (unless they are unethical), you go to jail.
and seriously?
thanks for the explanation of what “voluntary” means. just keep the “military” and “soldier” terms out of football conversations, please. especially non-veterans. thanks.
I think there are lots of natural analogies that make sense.
As long as people don’t confuse the massive differences between what’s at stake, I don’t mind it. I actually use football analogies all the time with my guys.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 24, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I don’t picture military guys as bening such whiners.
Please accept my apologies for offending.
And while I didn’t serve, my grandfather did, I have his flag in my office. This wouldn’t have bothered him.
My bad…
Not all of us are.
I don’t picture military guys as bening such whiners.
I use the term EX-Marine myself, even though there’s plenty of people who get bent outta shape over it for some stupid reason….
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Fisher said Datko went very hard for the first week or so and that he doesn’t need it. The starters have not missed much time.
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Maybe it's semantics
I can certainly understand it if Coach Fisher said, “look, we can’t practice Datko as much due to being banged up. But even banged up, he’s better than anybody else we’ve got.”
I’m not suggesting that with the nicks, etc. that we should be doing the boards for 5 periods every day. It’s just that in a “perfect world,” he’d be able to get in all his work. But the world is rarely perfect on the OL.
If OU is as good as we think they are, we need the world to close to perfect, though, correct?
I think so, yes.
I also think it helps for people to read what is happening with other programs, so that they keep perspective.
So far this off-season, Oklahoma has
Lost starting RT for 2 months
Lost starting OLB for 6 weeks
Had starting MLB DIE (R.I.P.)
Had starting DE be a grades issue and a complete unknown.
Everyone has issues. FSU’s are, luckily, minor at this point and they are doing everything they can to keep them that way.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
fantastic way to look at it
ASU has lost a TON as well as UGA. We are actually in a realitively good position, giving the key players light duty in games 1-2, full bore in 3-4 and the opportunity to re-rest minor injuries for the following month
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't have any information about any other schools, but I'm willing to guess our injuries are very light
About 3 or 4 summers ago, Georgia lost something like 5 key players to torn ACL’s.
We used to lose at least 2 players to serious knee injuries every fall camp. We always had multiple players lost for the season.
And here we are nitpicking because Andrew Datko, he of 36 career starts, he of playing through both shoulders wrecked last season, missing practice time to stay fresh.
The panic and scrutiny does not fit the crime, in my opinion. Borderline completely out of touch.
I am a Giants fan
And they lose their starter and bet DB for the season to a torn ACL, another that was going to get time playing to a torn ACL, and a DT for the season to an Achilles in a half of football in preseason. Now. Not to compare NFL to college and scrimmages to preseason games. But all those injuries happened in 1 half of football and in 20 mins of game time effectively half destroyed the defense. Getting through whatever type of training their is with all major players able to play when games count. Is what matters. Then your 2 preseason games count and you can hopefully have your starters out by half. We are in great shape compared to our history for injuries so far. Knock on wood it continues
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I remember when Giants were 5-0 couple years ago and then the entire secondary got hurt. Brutal.
But I’m a Jags fan, so screw you and your Super Bowls. And you’re welcome for Coughlin – whether you want him or not.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
do not want
Should have grabbed Cowhler when chance was their last season
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I agree...
I think the panic is due to the fact that the injuries/guys sitting out are on the OL and that is the main position we need to stay healthy.
If it were Willie Haulstead sitting out, no one would worry because we have plenty of solid WR’s.
by Albany_Nole on Aug 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Question about OU's potentially missing DE-
is that the one EJ is bigger than? :)
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Biggest problem with soft practicing to me
is the lack of tackling reps. The not-taking-guys-to-the-ground leads to the kind of tackles we saw last year in the OU game. I think playing LA Monroe instead of Sanford and having another game will help, but I still have nightmares of G5 wiffing.
To me this is really all we miss using NFL style practices, and I guess it’s worth it to have a healthy team.
This occured during the 2007 season opener versus Clempson, largely because weather affected practice leading up to that game.
Horrendous tackling and angles.
http://youtu.be/n7HSNFpgn4U?t=2m54s
By the second half, we had it figured out.
by The K-Man on Aug 24, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haven't observed the schedule of practices, but I haven't seen anything saying the scout team isn't getting pounded in drills.*
We know that 1st/2nd teamers aren’t taking each other to the ground, but beyond that I’m not sure.
*Spoken by former scout team tackling dummy.
Nice.
My greatest moment was lining up, 2nd in line on my first day of practice, for a tackling drill…. guy ahead of me gingerly jogs towards the cone and Stanford Samuels gives him a little bump, wraps him up and they walk back to their respective lines.
So, my turn, squaring off against Mario Edwards… who’s a pretty big dude for a cornerback… I jog towards the cone, maybe 75% speed… and WHAM… dude envelopes me in his 7’ wingspan and just plasters me into the ground, we slide on the dew for at least 15 feet. About that time I realized the meaning of Sanford Samuel’s blue jersey, and why the guy before me was taking it easy.
I never made the same mistake again, especially against the likes of Jamal Reynolds, Roland Seymour, Derrick Gibson et al. None of those guys ever came close to beating me to that cone, regardless of what color jersey they were wearing.
The only guy that got me good from that point was Sean Key, who taught me my 2nd lesson — that gloves during a tackling drill are usually a good idea. I took another slide courtesy of his 200 lbs @ 4.2, and I left the skin from the back side of my hand somewhere near the cone, as it was pinned underneath me for the duration of said slide.
by arrdub on Aug 24, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Love you for this.
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by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Always wondered about this
I’m sure that is better than nothing, but it’s still not the same.
wowowowowo
that is one ugly thing to watch.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Minor Correction
“That back must be barking something fierce, because Thompson is a tough, tough kid.”
HD on her ESPN ACC blog
has Brandon Jenkins at #4 in her top 25 countdown.
I’m interested to see who she has at 1-3
"Kill a fly with an axe"
1 has to be Coples. 2-3? Not sure.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Quinton at 1 is a safe bet
although I could see Brandon ending the season with better stats due to the talent surrounding him. Teams will learn quick that you can’t just double team him and thats the end of their troubles.
But because her listing is based on past production and future potential I find it hard to think of 3 players in the ACC off the top of my head that are safe bets above Jenkins.
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hosley, CB from VT and Kuechly, LB from BC. Hosley might be the best cover corner not named Rhodes in the ACC and the best return man not named Reid in the ACC. Kuechly was the leading tackler in the nation as a sophmore. So that my guess.
by NoleFanAtUCF on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
You must not be an O-lineman...
Speaking from experience I was an undersized lineman in highschool, I played Center at about 5’11" and 220 pounds. I made a living kicking dirt and crabbing to the next level (we ran lots of I-form) and playing in Santa Rosa County most Nose Guards were much larger than me to say the least, but no one with Grade A division 1 talent. I say all that to say this, being in the trenches requires an extremely high intensity level every play. You come off the line of scrimmage knowing you are going to collide with the man across from you. No “titty dancing” as my coach used to say like the wide-outs. Playing O-line REQUIRES that you play through “hurts” every play. And often, injuries. Knowing the kind of guy Trickett is, he is not taking it “easy” on these guys like the skill positions- lots of board drill, chute drills, inside drills, full contact stuff. Also, knowing the position and what it requires of you mentally, and physically to play and start in a moderately skilled area (competition wise) I can only imagine how mentally tough, and physically fit these guys are. It truly amazes me. So, I think you need to consider that whatever reason they’re being held out for is an INCREDIBLY good one.
by Gunner92 on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what school in Santa Rosa?
I’m curious because I think I know who you are. If I’m right, you’ll know who I am by my avatar.
Although it's probably more creepy that I know he went to Milton
and you went to Pace.
Formerly known as 'stilts'
that's super creepy
and if he went to Milton. I definitely know who he is. Especially since his first name and his birth year is his username. And you may just recognize me in my avatar. Would I know you?
Haha. Super creeper alert
Ben Boyd. Went to Pace. Class of 2001. Gunner is my cousin-in-law
Formerly known as 'stilts'
weird
you live in B-ham now?…or is that your brother? If you are the one who lives in birmingham, I actually stayed at your house with Jared W. and Lee T. at one point trying out for Student Life. Weeeeiiirrrd.
Haha. Thought so
We’ve moved back to Milton. Been back since 2008. Definitively weird.
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I agree with running practice like a pro camp.
But these kids aren’t pros. Even the veterans are not skilled/experienced/proficient enough to miss significant practice reps and be ready, week one. Very, very important to do away with stupid early season scheduling.
Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 24, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions
True
But its a long season. No sense in getting guys banged up to play the little sisters of the poor. It’s not the most ideal circumstances but the best strategy for the long haul. A potential 13 game game regular season schedule with one bye week is tough physically for lineman.
I wonder if in the picture of Stoops above if he is thinking to himself:
Just because I suffer from Gingervitus does not mean I don’t have a soul. It doesn’t.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Aug 24, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Why do our WR always seem to he the subject of Fisher's ire?
They always seem the be the group he harps the most on about being inconsistent. Is this Dawsey’s fault? Do they just typically not care to perform well at every practice? I’m not sure I understand why they drop the balls Fisher claims they drop or why they run the crappy routes they are claimed to be running. I mean we have brought in superior WR talent the last few cycles and don’t get me wrong, I KNOW Fisher’s offensive playbook is like trying to read Dante’s Inferno in ancient Greek. But I would think guys like Rodney would step up or be replaced, or guys like Bert Reed being more consistent. But the reports, not just from Jimbo, seem to be on the contrary.
by GermDaveNole on Aug 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have read/hear the opposite
It direct correlation to last year, perhaps Fisher has praised more, but I have read several reports of Rodney Smith just lumbering around and being lazy, and some of the other guys running bad routes. In fact, Fisher was even quoted jut last week saying that the receivers needed to step up, then they have one good practice, and then have inconsistency issues during the “failure drills” the other day and the scrimmage yesterday.
by GermDaveNole on Aug 24, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Everyone, including him has said they look much better.
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Bud, or whoever...
For whomever has been keeping track: Any way we could work on an offensive line flow chart? A few guys have been cross-training at different spots, but I have completely lost the picture. A depth/flow chart to show the different variations and options at the different postitons would be much appreciated.
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I believe it is caused by the B12
going to a 9 game conference schedule. Seems a lil ACCish to screw your best team this year.
by NationWideNole on Aug 24, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Noticed that too. Guess its bc Nebraska and Colorado left…. and bc Texas runs that sh*t now
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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