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Noles News 08.24.11: Jimbo Says Seminoles' Injuries Not Serious

Florida State scrimmaged yesterday. Head coach Jimbo Fisher said the 'Noles had bright spots and low lights on both sides of the ball. He was not happy with the consistency, but was happy with the big plays made by both sides. Real Talk: Not much is getting done with all the offensive line injuries. 

But on that front, Fisher did say that almost all of the injuries are not serious and that the guys would be back soon. That includes star left tackle Andrew Datko, who Fisher said doesn't need to be out on the field banging. He said that running back Chris Thompson's issue is one of pain tolerance. That back must be barking something fierce, because Thompson is a tough, tough kid. 

Gerald Demps did practice, meaning the rumor that he failed out appears to be false at this point.

Other than that, Fisher didn't reveal much about the scrimmage. He said that EJ looked good, but the statement was relative and should be read as "good, considering what he was dealing with." I do think this is going to be a very good defense. We'll have more on that later this week.

Quick Tuesday FSU notes (Extended scrimmage edition) – Chopping Block – Seminoles Blog – Orlando Sentinel

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2011 Season Preview: History, Celebration And The Oklahoma Sooners - SBNation.com
Nobody celebrates their college football history as well as the Oklahoma Sooners. For the 2011 season to live up to the "Preseason No. 1" hype, the line play will have to improve enough to complement the marquee skill position talent.

Below is a small handful of projection and change factors most pertinent to the Football Outsiders' preseason projections you will find in the Football Outsiders Almanac 2011.

Four-Year F/+ Rk 3
Five-Year Recruiting Rk 7
TO Margin/Adj. TO Margin**** +14 / +9.5
Approx. Ret. Starters (Off. / Def.) 15 (8, 7)
Yds/Pt Margin***** -3.7

Like Alabama, Oklahoma has more going for it than just about any team in the country: top five in recent performance, top ten in recruiting, interception-heavy turnover margin they may be able to duplicate, boatload of returning starters. Alabama got the nod for the No. 1 team in our Football Outsiders Almanac 2011 projections, but really, there were only two legitimate candidates. The line play scares me, but at this point in the preseason, something about every single team makes me wary.

The schedule could be as big an obstacle as anything. Not only does the Big 12's nine-game conference schedule begin, and not only do they have to play Oklahoma State in Stillwater for the second straight year ... but they also have to head off to Tallahassee to take on Florida State. That's two more road games versus preseason Top 10 teams than Alabama faces. Plus ... by mid-October, the Sooners will have played Florida State, Missouri and what will likely be an improved Texas team. Another slow start is not recommended.

Oklahoma is consistently very, very good.

Practice Notes, One Week of Install to Go - Shakin The Southland
Clemson is looking well coached. You know something is going on if the guys at STS are optimistic overall.

The 2011 BCO Guide to Roadtrippin' the ACC | The Key Play
Very cool here.

Star-divide

Other CFB

Pre-Snap Read: #12- BYU

Start fast. End strong. B.Y.U. always does the latter; it’ll need to do the former in order to live up to this lofty ranking, let alone begin justifying the program’s ultimately beneficial – extremely beneficial – move from the Mountain West to independence. Can a team be made or broken by four games? Well, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say the Cougars begin play as an Independent with a key opening month, one that features dates with Mississippi, Texas, Utah and U.C.F., the final two at home. Does the year end at 0-4? It doesn’t end, but there’s no great gains to be made with that start. What of 1-3? It would be disappointing, to put it lightly. And 2-2? Survivable. And 3-1? Then the Cougars are primed for 10 or 11 wins in the regular season, that’s what, and put in the group of people who see that coming to pass in 2011. What’s that you say? It’s a small group, consisting primarily of myself? Then get on board, as there’s room to spare – get on board with a top coaching staff, a blossoming quarterback, a deep corps of running backs and receivers, one of the top offensive lines in the country and a front seven that matches up well with any team on this schedule. What’s that, you’re thinking 8-4? That would be a disappointment: not with the way B.Y.U. ended last year, with what is returned and with what’s on the line for this team. And you know what else? I think Mendenhall and the Cougars know that everyone will be watching, keeping an eye on our newest Independent, which I believe will help the Cougars offset their typical early-season lull. And as we know full well, B.Y.U. always, always, always finishes strong. I think very highly of this team. That’s just me. But there’s room on the bandwagon if you want to get aboard.

Remember that BYU team FSU dominated last year? They finished the year pretty strong and have a great schedule this season.

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I think this defense is going to be special

It won’t surprise any of us here at TN, but the national media may really take a step back and talk about this defense if we hold our 1st two opponents under ten total points, and Oklahoma in the 20s. I really think this is realistic. We could hold either of the 1st two scoreless if some things go our way. Oklahoma game is where we will really see if this unit has come together and understands Stoops scheme.

by FSuni on Aug 24, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

First 3 games meaningless

The first two games are against inferior, you can’t expect us to playing at 100%, If I were the coach, I would play everybody that I could in that game. Evaluate where each individual player is and not worry about the score so much.

The third game, Ok, is against in my opinion, we are going to play against the best Offense in College Football for the year 2011. The QB and WR has been starting for three years, that is super experience. IMO, they practice everyday against a similar Defense to ours.

Win or lose at Oklahoma we still won’t know where we are.

by rspknole1 on Aug 24, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

If I were Jimbo,

I’d play as many back-ups, Freshmen, etc. as possible against ULM, CS, Wake, Duke & Virginia. These games won’t be close and are the perfect opportunity for young guys to gain experience.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 24, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to see shutouts in both 1st halves for the first 2 games.

Don’t care if they put up 3 to 13 points in the 2nd.

As for some other benchmarks… and throwing these off the top of my head, so hopefully they’re not completely unrealistic for a top 5 team vs. scrubs, but, anyway:

- 1st team O needs to score TDs on 75% of its possessions before we let off the gas. Maybe that’s a high mark for season openers, but these teams are garbage size- and talent-wise, which means EJ’s legs alone should be able to get us a 1st down whenever we feel like we want it. (Not that I want EJ sacrificing his body in these games… just saying, if they’re actually covering our receivers, he should have plenty of room for a 5-and-slide.)

- Would like to see EJ with at least a 3:1 TD/INT ratio over the course of the 2 games, showing a little patience/discernment back there in the pocket (as well as demonstrating receivers are not running the wrong routes).

- 100 yards rushing OR 250 total yards by end of both first halves.

Again, these are garbage teams, so really all you may be able to tell is whether or not you have any serious issues that cause you to struggle. Generally, if we steamroll from the kickoff I will be happy… but if we’re in one of these 1st half quagmires of old, I get concerned.

Anyone have any other benchmarks for 1st team performance in these first 2 games?

by arrdub on Aug 24, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love how Jimbo is running the practices. Remember 5 years ago we would have like 5 ACL tears every offseason. Are O line will get plenty of practice in the first two games. There is no need for our own guys to hurt each other.

Also, bad for us (readers) good for the team, Jimbo is not revealing too much about the practices. He gives praise, but never too much. He never gives specific numbers. He is like a more personable Bill Belichick.

by Cjones6121 on Aug 24, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Remember 5 years ago we would have like 5 ACL tears every offseason

It was ridiculous. I thought we were recruiting kids with sh*tty knees on purpose or something

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

Anyone know what drill?

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by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

'tackle low as you

can, with your helmet’ drill

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Minrod (sp?)

Knew him back from highschool days. Kid had two BAD knee injuries at EastLake. I couldnt believe it when the Noles offered him. He got nicknamed the Monster in the FSU wieght room, but I realy think Were targeting kids with pre-existing injury problems for a while

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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Aug 25, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo, the master of saying a ton of stuff at 90 MPH, yet saying nothing at all.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeebus,

Seriously.He is getting better and better at it.

“How as the practice Coach?”

“It was great and bad, good and evil, physical but sloppy, but still focused, guys played hard but could be better but still think a great job but at times only just sloppy other times you know tired legs trying to focus, it’s a grind, just grinding, nothing special about practice, but loved the attitude, still can’t execute, but really hope we get better at some things, defense made big plays, offense made big plays, sloppy though at times, just practice….”

That basically sums up his last 3 weeks of interviews.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Made of Glass

I’m starting to think our O-Line is made of glass, I’m tired of hearing excuses about the O-Line not being ready and as a result the O did the best they could. We’re what 10 days away? They better lose the Maxi Pads and get tough. Because the best, or good considering the injuries isn’t going to cut it against OU.

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Aug 24, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

that was a very kind response

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well. People also forget

We actually have 2 cupcakes to start the season. Which is 2 more weeks of practice and game time. We are not opening against UM or some kickoff classic with a rough first game that we need to have players banging so hard in practice before to get ready. I rather them keep those “Maxi Pads” on for veterans that will be fine then bang out their and lose them before we ever get to OK.

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

JF is being smart

I wouldn’t say they are made of glass. He is holding back the 3 with the most experience (Spurlock, Datko and Sanders), instead of risking an injury. That is just smart. These guys have played long enough to know what they are doing. No need to put them in added risk. They’ll get their needed reps in the 2 pre-season games. Because of that, they have 3 back-ups playing and a new center who is learning as well. This will lead to inconsistency on any line.

by jimmygnole on Aug 24, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

100% agree

Those 3 no whats up they have been here for 3-4years. They will be back he said this week for game prep, which is very smart.

by Ocalanole on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

And on top of that

Those that are playing are going against one of the best and deepest Defensive Lines In The Nation along with a very sound and talented secondary.

1 - 2 Jimbo's coming for you, 3 - 4 Gator’s better lock their door, 5 - 6 grap your crucifix, 7 – 8 Muschamp better stay up late, 9 - 10 never sleep again!!!

by Seminole4Ever on Aug 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets hope they stay healthy for the first two games.

Experienced, seasoned vets that are supposed to be locks to play on Sundays still need reps. Especially when you get your a$$ handed to you for a sack on 4 straight plays….by a guy thats been on campus for 2 weeks. Jernigan or not…

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was Werner who did that, not Jernigan

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the correction Bud.

Still a little concerning. Hoping that Werner has become just that good.

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

learned that Sanders had the groin problem the very next day. Wonder how much of practice he tried to go through with it hurting.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

No sarcasm here

Its same old story all camp, O-Line is injured. Lets get it figured out!

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Aug 24, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

What would you propose?

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Suck it up

Knees, yes sit out get it fixed, but come on these guys need reps, a lot of them were out for Spring. Datko that is a different story. But who knows that first game might get pushed back to the 3rd game and the last thing we need is the guys “shaking off the rust” against the Sooners. Bottom line, if we are running pro-style practices that are intended to avoid injury, then why are we having injuries at the line position? Or are we really, really that cautious. As in someone says ouch and we give them two days off?

FSU, home of the Bandit! Enough said!

by cmk07c on Aug 24, 2011 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rust

Wont they be “shaking of the rust” in the first 2 games?

"When you’ve got that FSU on your shirt, it’s strong." - Coach Eddie Gran

by clintonfsu on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

My point

"When you’ve got that FSU on your shirt, it’s strong." - Coach Eddie Gran

by clintonfsu on Aug 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

FSU opens with Charleston Southern and Louisiana Monroe. Rust shaken.

I’ll say this: THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO NEW SERIOUS INJURIES TO STARTERS OR KEY RESERVES.

There is a lot more teaching going on. Less banging.

'11: Minimum Goal: Win 10 games again
'10: 7th in offense, 41st in defense. Division Champions. 10-4. (6-3)
'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Has this always been Jimbo's mindset for running practice?

I was under the impression that he thought we were “soft” when he got here.

by jasonole59 on Aug 24, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think increased competition creates a bit more toughness. And he’s not holding everyone out, just certain guys.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

REC'd for bringing back imagery of MOST high school coaches in my day.

I mean, they didn’t exactly run THAT drill, but basically everything short of it.

by arrdub on Aug 24, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that No-Helmet drill....

well, kind of. It fades in and out.

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 24, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True

and I agree with the approach. It just seems I remember something along the lines of the team not being ready to hit in the games because they weren’t running full contact in practice. I could be wrong.

by jasonole59 on Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rmember the days when

The defense used to go out and make plays (instead of having a playbook) – Even when “making a play” meant hurting your teammates on the other side of the ball.

by bdahern on Aug 24, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bud is on the $$$ here.

People are forgetting that FSU, due to the schedule, is really having two extra weeks of “practice.” I know they are games in those two weeks but that is longer to practice, do walk throughs, and hit game film than in regular seasons with some type of kick off classic. Coach is exactly right to hold guys out. We have more time to prep and shake rust off than probably the last 10 years…

by pb4957 on Aug 24, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

James Cann...

Acting as a coach….although the analogy still applies.

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

He coached at FSU right?

Or was it ESU?

PLACE AT THE TABLE

by Osceola on Aug 24, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nowhere near what college football is like...

Or is it? Still fun to watch. “It’s not hard to put on 30 pounds over the summer if you hit the gym real hard.” YEEEAAAAHH

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 24, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you squint

The ESU helmet logo (a wolf) looks pretty much like a spearhead

by Osceola on Aug 24, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

None of my non FSU friends wanted to believe

it was basically FSU when the movie came out.

Scary accurate now that our QB did lay in the street. Funny how that worked out.

"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith

by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

never looked into it

but my buddy told me they made the movie with FSU in mind, but after FSU read it they refused to sign off on it. and thats exactly why the ESU wolf looks like a spear and the Unis are super close

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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Aug 25, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mobile rec

Someone hit this for me please.

Pursue some path, however narrow and crooked, in which you can walk with love and reverence.
Henry David Thoreau

by slumgullion on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Done...My old coach looks like Caan...

He told a reporter from the Miami Hearald doing the story on our team when asked about upcoming season:
“Well, for being slow, weak and friendly I think the team might win a game or two”

"You're either carrying a spear, or running from it"

by BigSpearDiplomacy on Aug 24, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

My wife’s friend hooked up with Caan’s son. Does that count for anything?

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And D list celebrities. At least for one night

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Halle Berry, Mmmmmm.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 24, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d. We don’t want minor turning into major.

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'09: 3rd in offense, 107th in defense. 7-6 (4-4)

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

This reminded me of the ever present “Key to the Game” for us in the 90s…“Make Minor a Major!”

Every commentator that did one of our games was so proud of that.

by 38Noles on Aug 24, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point

Most of these things except for maybe Spurlock and Thompson appear to be closer to tweak than serious injury.

What we can’t afford is to be running out 4 or 5 new starters against Oklahoma, because our guys wanted to get tough and practice with nagging injuries that a week’s worth of light duty would have sorted out.

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by fsu44 on Aug 24, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing about playing the backup OL is experience for EJ

Jimbo said EJ didn’t have a chance in the scrimmage; just too much pressure. Putting the backup OL in force EJ to make quick reads and decisions; causes him to play instinctively and at game-level speed. Most games should be a lot less difficult than what EJ is currently facing.

I did not like Jimbo saying:
A) We had receivers who were wide open
2) said wide open receivers were dropping balls; and
D) the offense was making big plays on the D.

Makes me think our secondary is getting burned and our wideouts have hands of stone. Don’t like either.

by NoleLaw on Aug 24, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

He also said that was inconsistent with what he saw all camp

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree -

missing experienced OL is not good for EJ & RBs. There’s a trade-off for sure.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 24, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that even possible?
Makes me think our secondary is getting burned and our wideouts have hands of stone.

It is better to fail honorably than to succeed by deceit.

by PeachTreeNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. We had a number of drops last season and both Reid and our safeties allowed a number of big plays.

It was no where near what happened the season before and the DBs got better as the season went on. You still have Parks/Moody and probably still have Reid freelancing a bit. Even though there has been high praise for Joyner, he’s playing a new position now. You also have Jones and Williams in the short zones and possibly Telvin, Terrell, and Luc in those zones — all of whom may need some work. Fisher didn’t say, so we don’t know whether the big plays were deep balls or throws to the short zones with YAC. I’d be inclined to think the big plays were to the underneath type routes going the distance b/c I doubt EJ had much time to get a deep ball off. May have also been EJ scrambling and guys breaking off coverage before he crossed the LOS and leaving deep guys open. Jimbo did say there were wide open guys dropping passes.

So yes, it is possible that out secondary can get burned. Our O with its backup/crap line getting its share of “big plays” is not what I want to hear.

by NoleLaw on Aug 24, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. We had a number of drops last season and both Reid and our safeties allowed a number of big plays.

Against each other? Your comment was about a scrimmage between our DBs and our WRs. I pose the same question- how can our WRs have “stone hands” and yet burn our secondary at the same time?

It is better to fail honorably than to succeed by deceit.

by PeachTreeNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

We also really have no idea the extened

Of any of this other then what Jimbo says. For all we know he ran 20 plays and 1 broke and he said it was unacceptable. We can all understand some of the more basic code of Jiimbonish. But we never know what specifically he was looking a from day to day that bothered him or didn’t bother him. Hes not the coach that will always say we did this good and had a little trouble with xx but it is improving. He says flat out I was upset with what xx was doing today and if 90% of the prectice is great but what he was looking for that day didnt go as well as planned he will talk in that Jimbonish more and we dont have any true translators for it. Overall. A week and a half from season. Hes not talking about crazy fights for tarting positions and what really needs to be worked on. When you have a championship caliber team. Your idea of bad days and the reality of what is bad or dissapointing are 2 different things. And also remember both sides are facing off against one of the top teams in CFB. Defense practicing against a great O and vice versa means some plays will get made because the talent on both sides. I am not worried about the team being ready at all when the season rolls around. Not in Jimbo year 2. And not with the rest of the staff and competition on field. But he certainly can’t come out everyday in a tied dye TShirt saying everything is great. He talks about the almost military aspect of breaking his team to see how they handle it. Coaching in the 21st century 101 Jimbo is an expert in

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

wow, sorry for the long rambling

Not sure if I ever even got a point made across post

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let's hold off on questioning Jimbo's decisions

At least until he gives us a reason to. We don’t need that kind of salt on Sugar Mountain.

I'm only 31

Go Noles
Go Bucs

by Old Buc on Aug 24, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

This week

we’ve had Faircloth, Sanders, Jackson, Pettis, Spurlock and Datko out (Just this week alone). What is the deal? Who do we point the finger too, we are running a low risk practice and we’re still getting plagued with the injury bug? I know Vic is the man when it comes to stregnth and conditioning, but are these kids not properly stretching and getting the conditioning or are they being put in situations where they shouldn’t be? Just seems a little odd to me all these nagging injuries that are popping up or haven’t healed from the end of last season? We’ve had a year to figure this out…. I’m not doctor just stating the obvious.

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by cmk07c on Aug 24, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Break them down individually and I think you will decide that there is not much to wory over. Try it.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries

Maybe you’re confusing “Injuries” with precaution. It seems to me that these guys arent injured per say. I deem injured as…they wouldnt play first game if it was tomorrow. Seems to me that most of the O-line WOULD play the first game if it was tomorrow. Thats not injured. Thats being typically banged up at start of camp.

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by clintonfsu on Aug 24, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Banged up.

Once again, back to my original concern, if we’re running these cautious pro-style practices then why are we seeing people getting banged up. I get that its football and that even though its toned down it’s still physical. But lets be real, we all wish that these guys were are 100%, yeah they would start tomorrow, but would they be 100%? Zebrie has what groin problems? And we all know those can be nagging and not come back as soon as anticipated. Faircloth has a knee issue, which I see the need for precaution on that as O-Linemen take a beating of the knees. Pettis has the elbow issue, personally i’d of rubbed dirt on it and put some tape on it and gone. Spurlock has the concussions, so what is his regiment, I saw that he had his first full practice the other day. Is that practice full speed or is he held to a different routine? And Datko as I said I’m not concerned with. So I realize that these injuries aren’t that bad. So why are we still seeing the finger pointed when mishaps happen to the banged up O-line? Lets stop saying were doing the best we can with the depleted O-Line and just get it done in practice. I guess i’m just too old school.

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by cmk07c on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guys are going to get banged up even with the approach. But if they get banged up, they make sure the guys don’t really aggravate something.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

How much more can we ask for?

Lets assume (and pray) that the season starts with basically the same injuries/tweaks/nicks as we are hearing about now…how much more can we ask for? Look at OU – sadly a kid died and their senior most LB is likely out. Think I just read BC has major injuries at RB and DB. It could be much worse. If you told me that this is as bad as it would be for FSU at mid-summer I would take it in a heartbeat.

by NicktheNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

And dont assume you know the extent or seriousnes of any injury

Guy can stub his toe and be kept out and they may say so and so sat out with a foot injury.

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

a metatarsophalangeal joint sprain is nothing to laugh at

its impossible to play with and takes forever to heal

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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

ha nahh

just personal experience and being the son of a Dr.

It was never just “turf toe”

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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know lol

Turf toe can put you out. I didnt actually mean that. My analogy should have used a scraped knee and them saying a knee injury lol

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell you what....

Grab a friend that weighs 300 pounds. Then have him run into you constantly for 3 hours a day for a month in 100% humidity and 90 + degree heat and let us know what all he messes up on you.

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by hardcorenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

To play cmk07c’s devil’s advocate

I think the bigger issue for fans is whether to believe Jimbo’s words – which are very hard to parse – or to believe what our eyes are telling us. We really can’t believe that these players aren’t significantly hurt until they begin to play, so in the meantime practice is the only indicator that they are not seriously hurt.

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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think as Bud has pointed out

Jimbo runs a very pro camp. And with the size of the team. Thee guys are banging against top units in the nation. Jut like getting a day off here or their is common in football. When you doing 2 a days in 95 degrees and banging hard. Giving players a day here and their depending on drills, whos banged up, and what you are looking for that day to seem to be smart. Do you need every O Line and Dlineman banging heads every practice. Or sitting them for a day to recover from normal bumps and bruises and fatigue seems like a fine idea. I am sure they are still in that gym at 7 am

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec

for the bold, this is not as toughness issue. Datko played with two shit shoulders for multiple games.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 24, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

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by DRusso97 on Aug 25, 2011 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a results driven statement, and as we all know here at TN Process Driven > Results Driven.

by mbar on Aug 24, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if you have ever been injured.

For those that have, recovery is not always as fast as you would like it. When you read the news hourly and see reports of OL injured, don’t become frustrated that a concussion hasn’t healed up overnight.

And, if you’re worried about injuries, I hope you’re not upset that Jimbo is willing to sit guys in practice who do not need the reps and can otherwise use the time to heal.

Remember that the great Walter Jones never went to training camp. He showed up for the games, dominated, then relaxed in the offseason.

by coonhound on Aug 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Figure out an injury?

You don’t “figure out” an injury you rest the injured player until it heals. Especially in the case of a minor injury to a veteran player who doesn’t necessarily need so many practice reps anyway. Having them go out and beat themselves up now would just be idiotic.

by Todd F Packer on Aug 24, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bad morning?

I don’t have any numbers in front of me, but it seems like there are a lot fewer injuries than in years past (esp pre-Stroud era) everywhere, including the OL.

Maybe there are, maybe not, but I’m surprised anyone would call them pansies. I mean, THIS line? With THIS coach?? Think about all those injuries they’ve played through. Datko had one good arm for the Miami game!

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 24, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, good Christ.

I don’t think running the risk of serious injury during preseason practice is a sign fo toughness. It’s a sign of lunacy.

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by Drew J Jones on Aug 24, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is very well said

Had we opened with UM or OK in week 2 like we had been doing. Then the outlook on the entire season changes. This is exactly what we have been talking about and defending to people that say they hate cupcakes or want to move the UF game to a week 1 type deal

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Safety Spot

Who do you guys think will win the safety spot between Moody and Parks?

by tboston on Aug 24, 2011 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Parks

And I’m of the mindset that it’s already decided.

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by AMFKNole on Aug 24, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Parks is better than Moody in pass support

Depending on the offensive style of the team we’re facing, then we’ll probably see situational subs/starters. Spread offenses: Parks, pro-style: Moody

Something similar w/ w/ the MLB spot but I think Telvin is capable to lock that down full time.

by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Split Time

I see those guys going back and fourth and getting a similar amount of snaps unless one takes it to a whole another level.

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by cmk07c on Aug 24, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I want to do a post on this. Are you aware of any team that rotates its safeties?

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

If anything, the use of Moody at LB suggests that while he may not start, Stoops wants to get him on the field some.

And he also knows that in nickel situations Moody won’t be a 5th DB ever. So playing time in the secondary may be limited at best.

Plus, when we play OU, they will probably limit substitutions due to their tempo. I’d expect FSU to practice for that in the first two games.

by coonhound on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but where was it mentioned Moody was splitting at LB? Link?

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned it the other day. He has taken some reps backing up Christian Jones.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

The too many big plays sounds ominous

Not necessarily of course, but where you have two stops and then give up a big play and EJ throwing “several” touchdown passes, it’s often a safety issue.

You have issues with team cohesiveness when a starter and psychological leader of the defense gets replaced going into a season. My guess is that they’ll hide it (won’t publicly admit that Moody is no longer a starter even if he really isn’t) if Parks gets the nod,

I’m eager to hear what you (Bud) have to say about rotating the safeties. Clearly each has different strong and weak points.

by gambelero3 on Aug 24, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

See below

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not of any

None jump out at me, but I’ll be willing to bet you can find a team that has different safeties seeing signifficant snaps. Clearly one hasn’t put himself over the other, because we still see that “Or” on the depth chart. I kind of like the idea.

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by cmk07c on Aug 24, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't UF Rotate

Depending on the scheme, UF ran standard 4-3, 3-3-5 and some 3-4, they would mix it up at the safety spots b/w 3 guys.

I guess another question is, how many teams are/were this versatile?

by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t mind rotating game-to-game, but series to series is a bit weird.

Also want to keep 4 DL in the game at all times.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely Agree

Game to game is fine, guessing from series to series tips your hand and Jimbo isn’t doing that.

Our strengt is our front 4 and our depth, I want them on the field as much as possible specifically in the 4th quarter.

by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 10:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Didn't we rotate safeties in the early 2000's?

I remember thinking “oh crap kyler hall is out there. oh crap here comes houlis”

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by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by DRusso97 on Aug 24, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Doesn't that seem like the age old adage

of if you have 2 QBs that share playing time, you really have 0 QBs (or whatever the saying is)?

I’m not sure I like the idea of rotation. Def not from series to series – the flow of the game for the player becomes nonexistant.

by BostonNole on Aug 24, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

It could be viewed as being no different than

running different offensive sets. A power back vs a 3rd down back, jumbo sets vs single back sets, your I-formation personell is going to be different for the most part than your 4 WR sets……etc.

by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear what youre saying

But on one hand, I would just feel more confident is a player that is the odds on starter.

And to the point of the game flow, I think its different on defense. On defense, you are reading and reacting, while picking up on trends and executing your zone (most of the time) responsibilities. On offense, that I-Back knows okay hit the B gap this play. Maybe I’m oversimplfying or flat wrong, but I think its harder for a safety.

by BostonNole on Aug 24, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just playing devil's advocate

I don’t condone that concept, don know why really but I can draw the parallel to the offensive sets vs defensive.

For example: if you had 2 equally talented CBs, one was 6’2" 205 and the other was 5’9" 180, who would you want against a run heavy team where you’re incorporating bump coverage?

by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 2:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Right but "run-heavy team" implies a different player for the whole game

not switching out seriers to series. (hold for nickel/dime packages b/c there is 1 player per position ie the nickelback).

by BostonNole on Aug 24, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Switching series to series

Is horrible idea but bringing in a more speed based 2ndary unit on a 3rd and long isn’t. Ideally any player is multiple enough to be left in, but in circumstances where they’re not, Moody vs. Parks, then switching Parks in on 3rd and long is better than leaving Moody in. IMO I’d rather just leave Parks in period. He’s just more versatile than Moody.

I think we’re saying the dame thing, I’m just stating that if you lack the skill sets to do both or have one player better, far better, at one thing then the other, different packages aren’t a bad idea.

by Professor Moriarty on Aug 24, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Situational substitution.

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by FrankDNole on Aug 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not for me

I’m from the school of thought that believes in fresh legs. The question for me becomes, “is my number 1 guy, at 80% better than my number 2 at 100%?”

The answer (and the question) changes from player to player, I think.

I think rotating also prepares you better for if one guy goes down with an injury, etc.

Finally, I think a team where you get everyone that you can significant PT is a happier locker room. Some teams win with locker rooms that are angry. BUT, given the chance wouldn’t you rather have a happy one than one that’s pissed off?

Ultimately, it all depends on the quality of your depth and the difference in ability of your 1s versus your 2s. At least that’s the way it works in my mind.

by Sobering on Aug 24, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think fresh legs applies to DL a lot more than at safety

I dont think there is any excuse for a safety to have dead legs in the 4th quarter.

Rotating in practice is a must, which helps in case of injury.

Its nice to make everyone happy, but the best player should play – this isn’t little league. In this specific instance, we might not have a clear cut “better-player” and thats what concerns me some.

Situational Packages/Schemes work well – I’m not arguing against that at all. I just don’t like the thought of arbitrarily playing Moody one full series, the next Parks, or by quarter, or some time share like that. It just lacks the overall continuity I think a player needs to be as succesful as possible at his position.

by BostonNole on Aug 24, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best player doesn't play

Do not play the 11 best players. Play the best 11 players. There’s a difference.

If you’re a hoops fan at all, you are familiar with the names Kurt Rambis and Mychael Thompson, that played for the Lakers. There is no question that Thompson was the better player than Rambis. He was the first player taken in the draft after his senior year. But Rambis started. Because that made for the “better team.”

It’s a pet peeve of mine when people say, “the best player plays.” It’s the player that helps get the best end result that plays, hopefully.

by Sobering on Aug 25, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Injuries Not Serious

That’s all I need to hear. We’re going to be just fine.

 Stay healthy. Stay strong. Stay smart. Win!

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by random_john on Aug 24, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions  

My concern

I keep reading/hearing that our tackles know the score. And I agree with that. However, there is still a certain amount of physical work you have to put in to get ready. NFL tackles know the score better than these guys and they have to put their time in on the field.

I don’t think that playing the two scrub teams is “enough” to get them ready, physically, for the war that we will have against OU. They’re going to have to do some things to get ready, against Jenkins, Werner, Carradine. Just the way it is. The game isn’t played on the white board.

It’s one thing to say, “we’re in BOB here” and it’s another to handle the end!

All of that said, if those guys are injured and can’t go, they can’t go. Not a lot you can do about that. The one thing I’m certain of regarding their injuries is, “it’s not a toughness issue!”

by Sobering on Aug 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, did you read what I wrote?

I had something really sarcastic to say like “don’t worry, I’m not hiring you if you don’t listen to me” but I decided against it ;-)

No, the weight room isn’t enough. Drills aren’t enough, you have to scrimmage some to get ready for the full speed that is a game. And I have news for you. Even scrimmages aren’t fast enough really. It’s not a switch that can be turned off and on, in my experience, anyway.

It’s tough, it is. I’m not suggesting that our staff do anything different, they are there, I’m not. I’m just concerned, that’s all. But I don’t think that any other answer is better. It may be that due to these problems, we’re not able to handle the ends. OK. That happens in football games. Doesn’t make it the coaches “fault.” You play the cards you’re dealt, but unlike poker, we really don’t get to fold, you know?

by Sobering on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was said

even though summer conditioning stuff is voluntary, they had 100% attendance. Coach Vic has is stuff together, between the summer and strength these guys are in excellent shape.

by Ocalanole on Aug 24, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Voluntary, LOL

There is nothing voluntary about college football. It’s the military baby!

by Sobering on Aug 24, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

nope

I was an army officer and played at West Point. Obviously you’re being sarcastic but lord I hate it when people refer to football and players as “the military” and “soldiers”. Urban Meyer, for one…what a jackass.

by JaxNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What I meant was

In the military, you are told what to do. Same in D1 football.

It’s called “voluntary” only because the NCAA makes them. Try missing a workout and see how voluntary it is. Or being late.

Unless I don’t know the meaning of the word voluntary, which I take to be, “show up if you want to and if you don’t want to, then don’t go and there are no repurcussions.”

by Sobering on Aug 24, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutly on piont

When I was in the USMC they would say, I need to volunters, you and you.

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by jskipnole on Aug 24, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

How many voulenteers are in to?

I am sorry. I couldn’t resist.

And thnx for your service

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No worries

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by jskipnole on Aug 24, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You failed to mention that the "volunteers" are almost always boot.....

If some NCO had tried to “volunteer” me 3 years in….I would have thrown something at his ass.
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by DRusso97 on Aug 24, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure...

well since i’ve played D-1 football at a military school and then served as an officer, I have done both. but if you don’t go to football practice, you lose your scholarship. if you disobey direct orders (unless they are unethical), you go to jail.

by JaxNole on Aug 24, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

and seriously?

thanks for the explanation of what “voluntary” means. just keep the “military” and “soldier” terms out of football conversations, please. especially non-veterans. thanks.

by JaxNole on Aug 24, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are lots of natural analogies that make sense.

As long as people don’t confuse the massive differences between what’s at stake, I don’t mind it. I actually use football analogies all the time with my guys.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 24, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

I don’t picture military guys as bening such whiners.

Please accept my apologies for offending.

And while I didn’t serve, my grandfather did, I have his flag in my office. This wouldn’t have bothered him.

My bad…

by Sobering on Aug 25, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not all of us are.
I don’t picture military guys as bening such whiners.

I use the term EX-Marine myself, even though there’s plenty of people who get bent outta shape over it for some stupid reason….

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by DRusso97 on Aug 25, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fisher said Datko went very hard for the first week or so and that he doesn’t need it. The starters have not missed much time.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's semantics

I can certainly understand it if Coach Fisher said, “look, we can’t practice Datko as much due to being banged up. But even banged up, he’s better than anybody else we’ve got.”

I’m not suggesting that with the nicks, etc. that we should be doing the boards for 5 periods every day. It’s just that in a “perfect world,” he’d be able to get in all his work. But the world is rarely perfect on the OL.

If OU is as good as we think they are, we need the world to close to perfect, though, correct?

by Sobering on Aug 24, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think so, yes.

I also think it helps for people to read what is happening with other programs, so that they keep perspective.

So far this off-season, Oklahoma has

Lost starting RT for 2 months
Lost starting OLB for 6 weeks
Had starting MLB DIE (R.I.P.)
Had starting DE be a grades issue and a complete unknown.

Everyone has issues. FSU’s are, luckily, minor at this point and they are doing everything they can to keep them that way.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

fantastic way to look at it

ASU has lost a TON as well as UGA. We are actually in a realitively good position, giving the key players light duty in games 1-2, full bore in 3-4 and the opportunity to re-rest minor injuries for the following month

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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have any information about any other schools, but I'm willing to guess our injuries are very light

About 3 or 4 summers ago, Georgia lost something like 5 key players to torn ACL’s.

We used to lose at least 2 players to serious knee injuries every fall camp. We always had multiple players lost for the season.
And here we are nitpicking because Andrew Datko, he of 36 career starts, he of playing through both shoulders wrecked last season, missing practice time to stay fresh.

The panic and scrutiny does not fit the crime, in my opinion. Borderline completely out of touch.

by The K-Man on Aug 24, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am a Giants fan

And they lose their starter and bet DB for the season to a torn ACL, another that was going to get time playing to a torn ACL, and a DT for the season to an Achilles in a half of football in preseason. Now. Not to compare NFL to college and scrimmages to preseason games. But all those injuries happened in 1 half of football and in 20 mins of game time effectively half destroyed the defense. Getting through whatever type of training their is with all major players able to play when games count. Is what matters. Then your 2 preseason games count and you can hopefully have your starters out by half. We are in great shape compared to our history for injuries so far. Knock on wood it continues

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember when Giants were 5-0 couple years ago and then the entire secondary got hurt. Brutal.

But I’m a Jags fan, so screw you and your Super Bowls. And you’re welcome for Coughlin – whether you want him or not.

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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

do not want

Should have grabbed Cowhler when chance was their last season

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by caine115 on Aug 24, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

I think the panic is due to the fact that the injuries/guys sitting out are on the OL and that is the main position we need to stay healthy.

If it were Willie Haulstead sitting out, no one would worry because we have plenty of solid WR’s.

by Albany_Nole on Aug 24, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest problem with soft practicing to me

is the lack of tackling reps. The not-taking-guys-to-the-ground leads to the kind of tackles we saw last year in the OU game. I think playing LA Monroe instead of Sanford and having another game will help, but I still have nightmares of G5 wiffing.

To me this is really all we miss using NFL style practices, and I guess it’s worth it to have a healthy team.

by gambelero3 on Aug 24, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't observed the schedule of practices, but I haven't seen anything saying the scout team isn't getting pounded in drills.*

We know that 1st/2nd teamers aren’t taking each other to the ground, but beyond that I’m not sure.

*Spoken by former scout team tackling dummy.

by arrdub on Aug 24, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love you for this.

"alot of people dont realize that FSU is about to TAKE OFF" - Telvin Smith

by numberonenole on Aug 24, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always wondered about this

I’m sure that is better than nothing, but it’s still not the same.

by gambelero3 on Aug 24, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

wowowowowo

that is one ugly thing to watch.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 25, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Minor Correction

“That back must be barking something fierce, because Thompson is a tough, tough kid.”

by AmplifiedJ on Aug 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

HD on her ESPN ACC blog

has Brandon Jenkins at #4 in her top 25 countdown.

I’m interested to see who she has at 1-3

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

1 has to be Coples. 2-3? Not sure.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quinton at 1 is a safe bet

although I could see Brandon ending the season with better stats due to the talent surrounding him. Teams will learn quick that you can’t just double team him and thats the end of their troubles.

But because her listing is based on past production and future potential I find it hard to think of 3 players in the ACC off the top of my head that are safe bets above Jenkins.

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hosley, CB from VT and Kuechly, LB from BC. Hosley might be the best cover corner not named Rhodes in the ACC and the best return man not named Reid in the ACC. Kuechly was the leading tackler in the nation as a sophmore. So that my guess.

by NoleFanAtUCF on Aug 24, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

You must not be an O-lineman...

Speaking from experience I was an undersized lineman in highschool, I played Center at about 5’11" and 220 pounds. I made a living kicking dirt and crabbing to the next level (we ran lots of I-form) and playing in Santa Rosa County most Nose Guards were much larger than me to say the least, but no one with Grade A division 1 talent. I say all that to say this, being in the trenches requires an extremely high intensity level every play. You come off the line of scrimmage knowing you are going to collide with the man across from you. No “titty dancing” as my coach used to say like the wide-outs. Playing O-line REQUIRES that you play through “hurts” every play. And often, injuries. Knowing the kind of guy Trickett is, he is not taking it “easy” on these guys like the skill positions- lots of board drill, chute drills, inside drills, full contact stuff. Also, knowing the position and what it requires of you mentally, and physically to play and start in a moderately skilled area (competition wise) I can only imagine how mentally tough, and physically fit these guys are. It truly amazes me. So, I think you need to consider that whatever reason they’re being held out for is an INCREDIBLY good one.

by Gunner92 on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

what school in Santa Rosa?

I’m curious because I think I know who you are. If I’m right, you’ll know who I am by my avatar.

by NolenRyan on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Creepy

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

that's super creepy

and if he went to Milton. I definitely know who he is. Especially since his first name and his birth year is his username. And you may just recognize me in my avatar. Would I know you?

by NolenRyan on Aug 24, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Super creeper alert

Ben Boyd. Went to Pace. Class of 2001. Gunner is my cousin-in-law

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Aug 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

weird

you live in B-ham now?…or is that your brother? If you are the one who lives in birmingham, I actually stayed at your house with Jared W. and Lee T. at one point trying out for Student Life. Weeeeiiirrrd.

by NolenRyan on Aug 24, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha. Thought so

We’ve moved back to Milton. Been back since 2008. Definitively weird.

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by BenDNole on Aug 24, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

"titty dancing"

ha-ha

by fsu2wall on Aug 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with running practice like a pro camp.

But these kids aren’t pros. Even the veterans are not skilled/experienced/proficient enough to miss significant practice reps and be ready, week one. Very, very important to do away with stupid early season scheduling.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 24, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

This is a whole different story if we don’t have the 2 warm-ups

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by BenDNole on Aug 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

But its a long season. No sense in getting guys banged up to play the little sisters of the poor. It’s not the most ideal circumstances but the best strategy for the long haul. A potential 13 game game regular season schedule with one bye week is tough physically for lineman.

by BGd on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Why do our WR always seem to he the subject of Fisher's ire?

They always seem the be the group he harps the most on about being inconsistent. Is this Dawsey’s fault? Do they just typically not care to perform well at every practice? I’m not sure I understand why they drop the balls Fisher claims they drop or why they run the crappy routes they are claimed to be running. I mean we have brought in superior WR talent the last few cycles and don’t get me wrong, I KNOW Fisher’s offensive playbook is like trying to read Dante’s Inferno in ancient Greek. But I would think guys like Rodney would step up or be replaced, or guys like Bert Reed being more consistent. But the reports, not just from Jimbo, seem to be on the contrary.

by GermDaveNole on Aug 24, 2011 12:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Actually

This fall camp Jimbo has been repeatedly praising the WRs.

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Aug 24, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have read/hear the opposite

It direct correlation to last year, perhaps Fisher has praised more, but I have read several reports of Rodney Smith just lumbering around and being lazy, and some of the other guys running bad routes. In fact, Fisher was even quoted jut last week saying that the receivers needed to step up, then they have one good practice, and then have inconsistency issues during the “failure drills” the other day and the scrimmage yesterday.

by GermDaveNole on Aug 24, 2011 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Everyone, including him has said they look much better.

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 24, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, or whoever...

For whomever has been keeping track: Any way we could work on an offensive line flow chart? A few guys have been cross-training at different spots, but I have completely lost the picture. A depth/flow chart to show the different variations and options at the different postitons would be much appreciated.

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by DutchFSU on Aug 24, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe it is caused by the B12

going to a 9 game conference schedule. Seems a lil ACCish to screw your best team this year.

by NationWideNole on Aug 24, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Noticed that too. Guess its bc Nebraska and Colorado left…. and bc Texas runs that sh*t now

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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 24, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Weird to do that in rivalry games. I remember when the ACC expanded everybody had to go on the road to one place twice in a row.

At least OU got a 2nd bye right before that game

by 38Noles on Aug 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

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