Elite States of Recruiting: Running Backs
What schools are getting the best skill players? The top offensive linemen? The highest-rated defensive linemen? Which conferences are pulling in the most elite talent at a given position? And, in an attempt to answer the water-cooler debate once and for all, states produce the most elite-level recruits for a given position?
The running back position in football has been the most common element since football's 19th-century beginnings (it wouldn't be until 1906 after numerous deaths - and a presidential intervention - to institute the forward pass). The constant has been running with the ball.
This is the second installment of examining elite recruits (see the 1st article on QBs here). We'll be looking at the top ESPN recruits from 2006 through 2011. Note that ESPN did not use the star designations until the 2010 recruiting cycle. Therefore, I've limited the sample to recruits who graded at 80 or better for this study (this left out a few 4* 79 players; but not all 79 grade players were 4-star recruits).
Below you'll find a table of all ESPN 80+ running back recruits from the 2006 through 2011 recruiting cycles. The table is sortable by clicking on the header.
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Of the 120 total 80+ running backs, 42 (35%) went to an SEC school. That is astounding. The ACC comes in a distant 2nd, getting 20 - good for ~17%. The SEC took more top running backs during this period than the 2nd (ACC) and 3rd (Big-12) place teams combined.
This sentence here is reserved for general mocking of the Big lEast.
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That's right - FSU will open the 2011 season against a ULM team with the same number of elite ESPN backs.
Per Capita
In 2009, 24.3% of the US population of 308 million was under the age of 18, or about 75 million kids (quickfacts.census.gov). The numbers and percentages, obviously, vary by state. Florida, for example, had 21.9% of its roughly 18.8 million person population under the age of 18, or about 4.1 million kids.
Let's start with a simple assumption that any state can produce an elite recruit equally. Said another way, how might a state's population determine the likelihood of producing said recruit? This is the per capita argument: Total state numbers (here, elite RB recruits) are primarily determined by that state's population. Let's test this hypothesis.
The table below is a list of States along with their respective youth population (under 18; in units of 1,000). The next column "As % of" is the percentage of all US youth in that state by US total number (approximately 74.4 million ; taken from government 2005 estimates). After that is the total number of elite RB recruits from that state from 2006 to 2011. "As % of" is a column to show each state's percentage of total elite RB recruits nationally. Finally, the "Odds Ratio" column is the fun part: We divide a state's percent of elite RB recruits by its percentage of total under-18 US population. A number here greater than 1.0 means that that state is producing more elite QB recruits than what the per capita line-of-thinking says we should be seeing; lower than 1.0 means you're not producing your fair share.
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There are some striking results from the above (sortable) table. First, we see that Florida is #1 in terms of total production of elite running backs. That is remarkable in of itself. We know that Florida's population is smaller than that of Texas' and California's, so that is striking. Compare the odds ratios for those 3, and you see that Florida produces 1.8 (3.95/2.19) times the amount of elite RBs than what we'd expect from Texas and 6.7 (3.95/0.59) times that of California's expected number. That is remarkable, especially given the Texan cultural commitment to football.
#1 for all states though in odds ratio (again, which takes into account the relative size of the under 18 population of one's state) is Louisiana. Louisiana has a relatively small under-18 population, yet an astounding number of elite RB recruits.
Conversation Starter: Which state per capita rate of elite RB production surprises you the most over this 5-year period?
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Wasn’t Jamie Harper from Jax? List says Texas.
by coonhound on Aug 26, 2011 3:44 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Also, LaSean McCoy went to Pitt I thought, not Miami.
by FSUActuary on Aug 26, 2011 3:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ya
He’s from PA, played for PITT and now plays in Philly…..also in PA. Nothing about this guy says Miami. Good call.
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McCoy
McCoy is actually listed twice, 2006 and 2007.
The confusion is that he committed to Miami out of HS after a broken ankle caused him to miss most of the season. He didn’t have the grades, so he went to a prep school and then ended up at Pitt.
JWJ
Not on the list b/c ESPN had him at ATH? or maybe LB?
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Aug 26, 2011 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
So Basically Eddie Gran = Maniac Running Backs
no matter who they are. Now with Freeman actually coming in as a raw talent that = a state of ridiculousness. How’s my aim? Really good info here. Rec
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Which state per capita rate of elite RB production surprises you the most over this 5-year period?
Clemson.
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I was thinking the Big East
But they are more of a Territory
Speaking of Louisiana
Weren’t both Warrick Dunn and Travis Minor form there?
That was Nick Maddox
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Interesting stuff, especially the part about FSU producing an elite running game without elite backs. It will be fun to watch this story line get even better.
The small number of backs produced by the state of Alabama is somewhat surprising. Most of the over-producers are southern coastal states though: maybe Alabama doesn’t have enough coastline. (Love the sort-by-column feature.)
Stat police hat on: Those are not odds ratios you’re giving. For that you would have to compute ratios of (estimated) odds. You’re computing ratios of proportions (like estimated probabilities as opposed to odds). In some contexts (e.g., medical) this is called a relative risk, although that sounds pretty strange in this context. FWIW, the odds ratios for Florida and Louisiana are (0.0833/(1-0.0833))/(0.0157/(1-0.0157)) = 5.7 and (0.2167/(1-0.2167))/(0.0549/(1-0.0549)) = 4.76, respectively. The negative about odds ratios is that they’re not as easy to interpret as relative risks.
Grammar police hat on: “It is salivating to think that …”? Hmm …
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is that even english?
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by Aaron Tampa Nole on Aug 27, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting story
Ken Malcolm, the UGA running back is related to our Telvin Smith. UGA thought they had him sewed up, and got a little lazy in their recruitment. Eddie Gran (i think) swoops in and the rest is history,
Also
Marc Tyler is from Cali. HS teammate of Jimmy Clausen
Well I think one reason the RB is not as important as all thinks.
Here is my point
A: Build up your size. going out and getting the top end RB means more time with him and not the other recruits. We needed other places like TE, LB, O and D line. Ya if a RB pops up we take but its not a big thing because we had good backs that could get through.
2:We are going from the speed backs FSU would get to run outside vs bigger stronger back that can go up the gut.
D: FSU coaches know what they want an d are looking for. If they feel that the backs that have are good enough to win I beleave them. In Trickett I trust. And That Gran guys is not to bad from what I here.
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