Answers From Florida State's Fall Football Camp
by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
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PrintBefore camp started, I posed questions about the Florida State Seminoles. They weren't dumb or obvious questions. They were real questions which were yet to be answered. You can read them: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/8/8/2349573/florida-state-football-camp-questions and http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/8/9/2350491/florida-state-football-camp-questions-defense
I'll now try to answer them, though some are TBD:
Will Clint Trickett continue to hold off Will Secord for the backup job? And if so, will Secord transfer?
No contest. Trickett has a stranglehold on the #2 job. No word on Secord's future.
Can E.J. Manuel read the middle of the field?
TBD. I'm not comfortable making a call on this one quite yet.
Will freshman Jacob Coker (6'5" 230) battle for the backup job or will he take a redshirt?
FSU's coaches are very impressed with Coker's physical skillset and work ethic, but he is very raw and should redshirt.
How will the carries be divvied up between the running backs?
This one is still a huge mystery, as Chris Thompson and Jermaine Thomas both missed significant portions of camp due to injury. Ty Jones and Devonta Freeman will definitely get some carries this year.
Can the trio (Reed, Smith, Haulstead) take their game to the next level?
Reed definitely impressed. Smith flashed. And Haulstead had a good camp until he suffered what we believe was a concussion. That's Haulstead's second concussion (he missed the Maryland game last year), and it's worth monitoring. Fisher said this was the best the receivers have played in his time in Tallahassee. But that was before the Haulstead injury, and we do not know if he would still say that.
Who is number four at receiver?
Jarred Haggins. No question. The coaches like his athleticism, toughness, and work ethic.
Will freshmen Kelvin Benjamin or Rashad Greene show well enough to be trusted with meaningful playing time?
Benjamin is really, really raw. And not in a good way. He is a long way off. Greene, however, is explosive and more polished. He'll likely keep the pressure on guys like Greg Dent, Christian Green, and Kenny Shaw. Greene could also play some special teams.
Is the battle at tight end for #1 or #2?
This one was over last week, as freshman sensation Nick O'Leary went down with a shoulder injury. If healthy, he will play a lot as he is maybe the best receiver on the team (including the receivers), but Beau Reliford is still the #1.
How do the two senior tackles look after off-season surgery?
Both came back well and the coaches don't seem all that worried about them. This was the most important question of camp.
Who are the top nine offensive linemen?
This is still being worked out. 1-5 is clear (Datko, Stork, Fahrenkrug, Spurlock, Sanders). Foose, Orelus, Faircloth are definitely in the mix for the final four spots, as is Josue Matias.
Will any freshmen be counted on to be an eight or a nine?
Likely for one spot. The freshmen should all get a lot of playing time in the first two games.
Will Tank Carradine challenge Bjoern Werner for the top spot at left end?
No. Werner followed up his amazing spring with a great fall camp. I don't think anyone realized how quick Bjoern is because he was hampered by that knee injury last year.
How many defensive tackles will see meaningful snaps?
McCloud, Dawkins, McDaniel, McAllister, Erving, Cummings, and of course, Timmy Jernigan. Jernigan is a total freak, but is still a freshman. That's seven. Could Moses McCray make it eight?
Who wins the battle at Mike linebacker?
We've pontificated that FSU will likely use a platoon here each week based on the opposing offense. Telvin Smith should be better against spread offenses (early in the year), while a bigger backer should be used against pro-style offenses later in the season.
Who will win the free safety job (traditional strong safety spot)?
Terrance Parks and Nick Moody will have to continue their battle for the "free" safety spot, which means playing down in the box. Neither are superstars and the position will be decided not on who makes big plays, but rather on who most consistently plays his assignment. There are stars on this defense. Let the stars make the plays. Guys like Parks and Moody just need to consistently not make mistakes. Parks may have lead earlier in the camp, but Moody is rumored to have had a nice scrimmage.
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Get into game week mode and everyone is amazing 100% healthy all of the sudden.
Thompson is back, Datko, Sanders, Spurlock all back. Orelus has limited practice duties due to consussion, shaw with the book, Haulstead with the "banged up = concussion?, Holmes with the shoulder, but I think everyone else is back. O’Leary, not sure about.
O’Leary did go noncontact yesterday
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Was with the team in shells today.
Very encouraging.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd still say monitor
Thompson and O’Leary but I think those four are probably the only 4 that couldn’t play if a game was tomorrow. That I’m aware of.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, I think Greene is banged up too.
Anyone know any different?
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Encouraged by the defense, worried about the receivers
Can’t wait to see Lamarcus back there roaming. The receivers don’t need to be spectacular, but they do need to be where they’re supposed to be and to give full effort on every down (which includes blocking).
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Devastating if we lose Haulsted for any prolonged period of time.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Aug 27, 2011 9:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Losing him would hurt no question. But...
Our offense should be very heavily run oriented. This includes EJ. Run, run, run, pick your spots for the pass, lots of dump offs to the backs. Let that defense win the games for us. Fingers crossed.
by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 27, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
with the size of the line, a 245 lb quarlerback, the center we’ve got, and the stable of RBs, run, baby, run. Let the defense stack the box, then pop one to O’Leary or a quick out. Repeat.
by Wild@Heart Nole on Aug 27, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
How in the hell does Haulstead suffer a concussion in practice?
Jimbo is ultra-cautious
Championship!
I wonder what kind of punishment the defenders will get for injuring Jimbo's offensive guys.
It's all about the process
They have to submit to a CTC locker inspection.
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Did he get flagged for the hit??
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For sure, the UM hatred runs deep here at TN
Which is why we allow the grammar threads, sarcastic comments, haiku and bad puns. No matter what it’s about, it all REALLY says “UM fans are too dumb to get this.”
It’s just one more way Bud is able to achieve what Sun Tzu considered the ultimate in skillful blog victories: winning website membership battles without fighting.
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by Dogrel on Aug 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
8 DTs getting meaningful snaps
That really speaks to the depth this year’s D-line has. Barring injury, this should allow the defense to consistently have fresh legs throughout the season
by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 27, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions
And that is amazing.
We’re already full of studs and next year will be even better.
Can’t wait for next Saturday!!
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by Dogrel on Aug 27, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I could see a couple transfers
and we’d still have the deepest rotation in the country. Probably Moses and Demonte if Timmy ends the season as the 3rd string DT.
Thx Bud.
Hopefully we can work through the offensive issues the next couple weeks and be full throttle for OU.
Go Noles!!!
by Crawdad_Class of '86 on Aug 27, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If Haulstead can't go....
who will become the 4th wideout? Reed, Smith, Haggins, ???… Who is most likely to step up and become that 4th receiver? If we only have 3 wideouts will Jimbo’s playbook be limited at all? Or will O’Leary provide that 4th recieving option??
"You're always going to have those butterflies. If you don't then you're not a competitor and you're not a player. When you lose that feeling in your stomach that's when you need to not do it anymore. That's what makes it special and exciting." - Jimbo Fisher
Most teams would kill for our wr depth
I know they are unproven but we have talent like Dent, Shaw, Green, and Greene itching for their shot.
I am, however, concerned about Willie and we could really use his experience in games 3 and 4
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by Zach_Nole on Aug 27, 2011 10:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What I wanna know is
Who’s the “hero” that knocked Haulstead out with a concussion…in PRACTICE? I’m all for “goin hard”, but let’s be real. We don’t need dudes getting rocked enough to have their brain bouncin back and forth inside their skull. They’re all on the same team. Cmon, man. A bit ridiculous IMO.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
i dont want to start any wild rumors
But I did see Korey Mangum’s vehicle near campus last week. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together…
by The K-Man on Aug 27, 2011 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Korey Mangum?
You know he doesn’t blow up receivers…he blows coverages.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
by Chief03 on Aug 27, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
...Or the nearest unoccupied area of grass, nowhere NEAR any opponent in possession of the football.
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rumor is Joyner got Haulstead, Moody got O’Leary
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Read, what is probably complete rumor,
that it was Joyner and Fisher got really pissed at him. Would make sense though….
But I mean after you get your first concussion, don’t the subsequent one heal easier? :/
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if they heal easier
but after having one it is significantly easier to have another…
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 27, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I know...
I was being lame, hence the ‘: /’
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard it was Krug.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
No,
McDaniel was lined up in the I with Sanders lead blocking.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
if either is true
nice … good goal line or short yardage options
by Wild@Heart Nole on Aug 27, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I was just joking about Krug.
Are we really doing that type of sh*t?
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
Oh hell no,
I was joking too.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
youre not too far off -
mcdaniel was in the I w/ hopkins lead blocking
I heard it was Aguayo
Jimbo started practice a little late waiting on him to get out of school. Good ’ole Jimbo, always planning for the future.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 27, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I literally can't tell who all is being sarcastic anymore lol
by RunninNole5 on Aug 27, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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by DRusso97 on Aug 27, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The professional
I didn’t love it but Gary Oldman is always entertaining to watch.
by stop drop & nole on Aug 27, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Definitely one of the better character actors out there.
He was the only thing that made air force 1 watchable.
by stop drop & nole on Aug 27, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
what is it, whiteboy day?
Jimbo is the Tomas Crown of NCAAFB
by stevegrizzle on Aug 28, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Little known fact.
Everyday is white boy day.
by stop drop & nole on Aug 28, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure he is underrated.. more like underappriciated
like a virtuoso pianist v the beiber. his ability and talent cannot compete with the Vin Diesel’s of the world.
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How many total carries should we expect from Wilder?
around 30-35?
Team work make the dream work
Think at this point
if Thompson is healthy, would say only average 2 a game, so maybe in the mid 20’s. Of course If FSU is in a ton of blowouts, I don’t see why he can’t get more than that.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to see lots from the 2s, 3s and Freshmen against
ULM, CS, Wake, Duke & Virginia.
Championship!
I'd take the under rather than the over unless we have a couple of injuries at the same time.
If we go back to 2005 when Antoine Smith was backing up Booker and Washington, he had 36 carries. Last year Lonnie only had 23 carries. We’re much deeper in the backfield than we’ve ever been. If you bank on a couple of blowouts with mop up time, maybe he gets into that range, but my money would be on the under.
Do think we have the chance to have a lot more blowouts this year.
And which out of Thompson, Thomas, Jones, and Freeman would you want to run when up by 30+ points? If Beverly shirts that really leaves Wilder with a lot of clean up duty. Just looking at the games that could be blowouts and blowouts early:
ULM, Wake, Duke, Virginia, Charleston, and then could happens like NC State and Maryland.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Very well could happen.
Especially depending on their available players and psychology of the team if they lose a bunch of games early. I’m just starting to think they get a lot of people back by that point in the season. Who knows, maybe they all get kicked off.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
If it happens, I bet Jimbo lets Freeman run wild
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
haha,
that would be awesome. And it makes sense.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
But will he run wilder than Wilder?
zing
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 27, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If Wilder runs free and Freeman runs wild
Will EManuel save us? ;-)
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by Noledock on Aug 27, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
EJ Manuel would be automatic if that happened
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by Dogrel on Aug 27, 2011 5:59 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I'd let Jermaine, Ty, and JWJ run it then.
You still want to chew clock to prevent injuries to the rest of the team. I’d also let Clint throw to some of our younger receivers.
I hope opposing team's fans
Think that the Noles are complete a-holes for not pulling our starters in blowouts/garbage time when in reality, our backup really are on the field.
MUAHAHAHAHAHHA.
by FSnowUknow on Aug 27, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
He’ll get carries against la monroe c-so wake duke and probably uva. that’s 5 games. then I figure he may get some in one other game.
Also, might get a goal-line carry or two.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Dang it Bud,
stop typing faster than me.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I was serious
also would like to know what “This” means when it’s the sole word in the subject line of a post.
It means you agree with the statement you replied to.
by stop drop & nole on Aug 27, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice SI Article mentioning O'Leary aka "Throwback"
The Freshman 15: First-years who will make an instant impact
Somehow Staples missed Freeman.
This is fiction:
It’s safe to say no one picked on Johnson for singing in the choir at O. Perry Walker High in New Orleans.
Will any freshmen be counted on to be an eight or a nine?
Likely for one spot. The freshmen should all get a lot of playing time in the first two games.
Isn’t there typically a desire to redshirt most, if not all, O-line freshmen? Is the plan really to burn shirts on most of these guys at the start of the year just to determine the best one or two guys to add into the bottom of the rotation?
They will all develop “injuries” after game three, allowing for a medical redshirt
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 27, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm surprised you put that in your book.
I knew about it before. but never seen it published.
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It’s pretty widepsread around CFB.
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absolutely
but I can confidently guestimate that FSU is one of the only teams to have that aspect of cfb published about.
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OT - STA playing Plattville today on ESPN
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Was a very good game.
If you like long plays.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I could lend him some of mine...
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Lee Corso had the wrong Reid...
Said watch out for Bert Reed on Special Teams…
by fsugrizz on Aug 27, 2011 11:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Corso knows something we don't?
No, really you just have to expect that from him every now and then.
by seminoleballer on Aug 27, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He picked LSU
For the Nat’l title because he likes their jerseys…..
Recovering from stroke
Should have hung it up.
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Aug 27, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Still,
he should be done. Nothing wrong with retiring. Needs to.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 27, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so fast my friend!
He may not always be right, but he is entertaining.
by seminoleballer on Aug 27, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no, no.
It is just sad. And painful. Painful and sad to watch.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 28, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Bobby Bowden
Disagrees
You tell em I'm coming, and Hell's comin with me!!!!
by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Aug 27, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So does Dick Clark
It's all about the process
Desmond Howard
picked fsu over bama for the national title & ej for the heisman
im starting to like him more and more…
I've been telling my Michigan buddies that they sure do produce smart players.
Brian Griese said we’d play in the national title game, now Desmond Howard says we’ll win it!
by seminoleballer on Aug 27, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully the Wolverines are right
Then we can hail our own conquering heroes.
by Invictus13 on Aug 27, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
griese a fool
Last year he said miami would beat us because we don’t have the athletes to play with miami.Now how dumb is that, we have always had the athletes to play them even the years we lost so he’s the last person i would listen to.
Even though Benjamin is raw can we still use him this year?
Because of his size could we occasionally line him up in the slot and tell him to run down the middle of the field. He should draw double teams because of his size. This could help out our other receivers in coverage?
yeah let
Benjamin develop. We have Rodney Smith for this season and next, plus a host of other receivers more experienced and developed. He has a lot of potential but let him get into shape, and grasp the playbook. Don’t play him if you don’t have to.
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by Matt Champion on Aug 27, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he is awful in practice. Really slow to get it, not in great shape, etc. Wait till next year at the earliest.
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i knew all that weight couldnt be good weight
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Werner v Carradine
I hear you when you say Werner is better than they thought he was going to be – but what about Carradine – has his performance disapointed or is his position on the depth chart just a reflection of having a beast in front of him?
my real question – do we have two potential starter quality players at the postion or just one
Carradine has played really well
But Werner has literally been playing even better. Dan hicks has also played really well behind Jenkins.
The problem is we have a 3 players who would start for 98% of D-1 schools, and Hicks would start for a bunch as well.
Carradine, Jenkins, and Werner are all potential All-Americans…but because Werner and Carradine will be splitting time it will be hard for either to really distiniguish themselves nationally as far as stats go.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 27, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
He has NFL size as a RS-Freshman at 6'4" 270lbs
but is definitely the #2 behind Jenkins. I would wager he could start today for many average BCS teams (Ole Miss, UConn, etc.)
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. And I saw two OL handle it easily
not named Sanders or Datko in the open practice.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Didn't say it was a great move
and don’t claim him to be a super star…But to ask Dwight Freeney spin moves out of a backup isn’t gonna happen.
Well
Even being a RS Freshman gives him a little leeway. If he doesn’t have at least 2 serviceable moves by the end of his sophomore year, then I believe we should be questioning. But until then, I’m okay with him learning from some of the best college DE’s in the country.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 28, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes. Tank slides to the right side for his senior year, MEJ wins the 2nd-team SDE spot, and Hicks/Casher/Newberry/Fowler/ battle it out for the 3-deep.
SDE: Werner, MEJ, Hicks-or-Newberry
WDE: Tank, Casher, Hicks-or-Fowler
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Will our D be referred to as a "bend-but-don't-break" D again this year?
Has the philosophy/attitude changed?
Think our D will be more of a
Bend then Break and then bury the remains of Offenses before the Crime Scene Unit gets there this year
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I was thinking that philosophy is partly why the D didn't exactly excell on 3rd down and getting off the field last year.
Would like to see improvement. In days of old, our D wouldn’t bend or break and I was kinda hoping we would just shut people down.
It will be considerably better, but offenses these days are much better due to all the counters.
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Is that the best any D can do?
I don’t think of Bama of the former UF champion teams as having bend-but-don’t-break defenses. I just don’t think of any great defenses as being bend but don’t break.
It's probably more
Like we’ll let them try to nickle and dime us all day and stop the big play because we know that they can’t do it and consistently score when they have poor field position.
I don’t see a true difference maker at defensive tackle right now. I see FSU’s strength being depth, coming at you in waves, and having the ability to stay fresh later in the year.
But yeah, Saban’s philosophy is to play zone on 1st/2nd and now allow any big plays or to be run on. they’ll allow short passes and make tackles.
We’ll still be bend but don’t break, but the bend and break will be far less.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 28, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Stupid Question:
But where is Karlos WIlliams? How come I have not heard anything out of camp?
If I could wear a bucs shirt with a noles hat for the rest of my life, by golly I would be the happiest man in the world.
Big playbook and he just got here a few weeks ago
He’ll get some good playing time in the first couple weeks
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 27, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I would assume that Haggins would take Haulstead's spot
and then Green/Shaw/Dent would fight for the #4
Jimbo said he should have a depth chart released by Monday.
This time it is believable, being game week.
I think ACC rules stipulate that all teams must have a completed depth chart
by Tuesday
Championship!
I wish we could just demote Miami to the Sunbelt Conference for a few years
until they get their act together
Championship!
He also thinks
he’s going in the first round.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 28, 2011 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Truth?
Or sarcasm?
Please be truth….
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 28, 2011 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
nah, just sarcasm.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 28, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Of the supplemental draft, maybe
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by CornNole on Aug 28, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know you're joking, but supplemental wouldn't apply to Jacory since he's out of eligibility anyway
Maybe if the NFL had a free agent draft for those that didn’t get picked up in the regular rookie draft… (doesn’t the MLB have that?)
No, he is way down on the depth chart. He missed a year and is way behind. Haggins would take it.
Expect Green to make an impact in 2013
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Follow up questions
You said earlier Haggins is firmly the 4th receiver. I believe Haggins is naturally more of a slot receiver but would fill in at wideout for Haulstead (could be wrong). So I’m wondering if the most talented guys play various positions at receiver and are cross trained? Or is it that a guy is defined as X, Y, or Z on the depth chart and say the starting Y receiver goes down then the back up Y fills in even though he may be a less talented than a back up X or Z? Hope that question makes sense.
Haggins is what, 6’0 and fairly thick? Yeah, they do cross-train them some, though I don’t think they play x, y, and z. I think if Haustead was out you’d see almost no 4-wide.
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by Bud Elliott on Aug 28, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Haggins looked much bigger than I thought he would at the spring game...
Our WR corp is quite intriguing to me…Haggins was not the guy I expected to blow up early, so it kinda muddles the picture a bit.
I dunno…I kinda wonder which one of these guys ends up odd man out. 6 guys packed into a 2 yr window. I suppose if we were Texas Tech or Houston it could work, but damn…someones not gonna be the all star we pegged him for on.NSD.
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by CornNole on Aug 28, 2011 10:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Definitely expect 1-2 eventual transfers
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Wow...I really had higher hopes for Green to turn the corner than waiting until 2013.
This guy had tremendous potential out of h.s.
Very, very raw.
Plus, who is he beating out this year or next?
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In other news...
Texas A&M expected to announce it’s leaving Big 12 within week
From CBS wire dated Aug. 27.
Big 12 set up a huge Poison Pill
Wonder if the ACC is wishing they did the say thing?
Good call. Now that Davis is gone, UNC not likely a threat to the existing hierarchy.
At the same time, I doubt the SEC struggles in the Carolina market.
They could also go a little farther north and grab a Maryland (DC/Baltimore) market or for a Pitt or Cinci grab due to fertile recruiting grounds in Ohio and Pa.
If they went to Carolina, I would think they’d go to NCST. b/c Carolina is B-ball first and they have that whole Carolina-Duke rivalry both in B-Ball and academically. Think Carolina is less football oriented at the moment due to the tarnish on the school from recent events.
UNC is an ACC pillar
And another team in probation. they are going to the SEC
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they are not
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me thinks caine is having internal conflicts...
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 28, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
talk to yourself all you want
problems arise when you start answering
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I still don't understand why anyone thinks UF and FSU couldn't both be dominant in the SEC.
Auburn/Bama and Miss/Miss St. are same-state situations. Auburn and Bama pretty much dominate that state in recruiting (this year being the exception thanks to some guy named Jimbo) because it’s not a question of where a top recruit in that state is going, but rather are you going to Bama or Auburn.
If FSU and UF were in the SEC, it would be the same in Florida, all the way down into the fertile Miami recruiting grounds. It’s recently pretty much already started down that path, but I think it’d be even more definite, and more prolonged (see: forever). I really think this would be the final nail in Miami’s coffin, as it would make it official that FSU and UF are both line 1 schools, and Miami/USF/UCF all clearly something below that.
Then again…insecurity from a program like UF doesn’t surprise me.
Because there are only so many wins to go around.
As Bobby said, 1/2 the teams win and 1/2 lose every Saturday.
If you took the best 12 teams in CFB and put them in the same conference, there probably wouldn’t be any dominant team. You’d have parity where everyone is losing a few games. You pretty much have LSU, Bama and UF all getting plenty of talent from their own state and doing quite well in the SEC most years. UGA, USC, UT, and AU have all had their moments and in any given year, one of them will be the 4th team at the top of the SEC. Even if UF and FSU split the best talent in Florida and have good coaching, it would be incredibly difficult to run that gauntlet and dominate year-in, your-out. None of the SEC elite teams want to add another elite team and make their job more difficult. That’s why I don’t think you’ll see them adding teams like OU, FSU, or Tex. They are looking for a middle of the road team who will not water-down the quality, will open a new market, will not challenge the existing hierarchy (no one wants to lose their spot at the top), and who will allow the SEC to lobby for a 2nd auto-BCS bid-to reward those who are already at the top.
Yes, but the voters see that too, and grade the records on a curve.
1-2 loss SEC team > 0-1 loss any-other-conference team
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Actually he is a interesting fact abot TV Bowl ratings
Even with the Seminoles coming off a few 7-6 seasons. they still had the second bet bowl audience next to USC. #2 nationally for Bowls. That says a ton when we were doing nothing and getting that TV revenue. Its major buck for SEC take a look. And this goes back to 1998 so includes the lost decade. Still people watch the Noles. NC State and Clemson were some of worst raws in country. We were even ahead of ND in Bowl draws
Team/# of Bowls Effect on Ratings
1. USC (10) +28.7%
2. FSU (12) +22.6%
3. Notre Dame (7) +20.8%
4. Miami (Fla.) (11) +15.7%
5. Michigan (10) +12%
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WORST DRAWS
Team/# of Bowls Effect on Ratings
1. Virginia (8) -18.3%
2. NC State (7) -17%
3. Georgia Tech (12) -14.7%
4. LSU (10) -8.9
5. Clemson (10) -7.9%
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 28, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
A-C-C! A-C-C!
Oh, wait… that’s not a good top five to have a power grip on.
Perhaps with a little luck
The SEC would take both UNC, NCSU and possible Swofford as well.
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