Will Florida State Have A "really good, dominant" defense?
Jimbo Fisher recently stated that he expects FSU to have a "really good, dominant" defense this year. That's quite a leap from what 'Nole fans experienced during Bobby Bowden's final season. And though much improved, last year's defense was far from dominant. Let's take a look back at what we said about the defense going into last season:
It's the new defense that FSU fans are most anxious to see. Last year's defense was simply awful. The 107th best in the country. Of the 66 major conference teams, FSU was only better than NC State, Louisville, Indiana, Duke, Stanford, Kansas State, Iowa State, and of course, Washington State. The last ACC defenses to be this bad in league play were some of the mid-decade Duke teams. If you want more comparisons and perspective, check out Closing The Book On The 2009 FSU Defense. This season the group should be a lot better. We've done a lot of research (some of which we haven't had the time to write about) to figure out just how much a defense can improve in a single season. The answer is that it can improve a lot. It won't go from awful to elite, but it can improve significantly. We'll get into why in a second, but we feel confident in this chart:
BCS Conference Teams FSU's Defense Was Better Than 2009 Projected 2010 Cincinatti Colorado UConn Wake Forest Minnesota Kansas Kentucky Rutgers Maryland Vanderbilt Texas A&M Baylor Illinois Washington Syracuse NC State NC State Louisville Louisville Duke Duke Stanford Stanford Kansas State Kansas State Indiana Indiana Iowa State Iowa State Washington State Washington State There were only 8 BCS conference teams that were worse than Florida State on defense last season. This year, we would be shocked if FSU isn't at least better than 24 major conference teams (we listed the ones who should be the worst 24). But can FSU be better than that? Yes. Though it would be a huge increase to go from 58th of 66th to 42nd of 66, it can be done. Let's work backwards here. FSU is not going to have a better defense than the elite BCS conference defenses like (ACC teams in bold) Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Iowa, Miami, Nebraska, North Carolina (if they don't lose all their players for the season), Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, and Texas. We also don't feel FSU will be in the next tier of BCS conference defenses consisting of LSU, Auburn, Boston College, Georgia, Mississippi, Oregon, Pittsburgh, South Carolina, Texas Tech, USC, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Wisconsin. So better than 43nd of 66, but worse than 25th of 66. That group of 25-43 consists of Arizona, Arizona State, Arkansas, Cal, Georgia Tech, Michigan, Michigan State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Purdue, South Florida, Tennessee, UCLA, and Virginia.
If FSU is in that 26th-42nd range among BCS conference teams what does that mean?
- The Range: It means that FSU will definitely have one of the best 50 defenses in the country. We'd be shocked if FSU doesn't have one of the 50 best. Note that we said best, meaning quality. That doesn't mean top 50 in total yards. We use advanced statistical efficiency measures to gauge performance because this blow is smart enough to understand their value and wise enough to not be misled by the flaws in raw counting stats. FSU's defense could be as good as 25th in the country. We do not expect that, but it is conceivable that if everything breaks right for the 'Noles defense, including perfect health, it could happen.
- In conference, It means FSU will have the 6th, 7th, or 8th best defense in the ACC. We see it ranking behind Boston College, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech, but ahead of NC State, Wake Forest, Maryland and Duke. FSU will battle Virginia and Georgia Tech for those 6-8 spots.
- Our official Tomahawk Nation prediction for the defense is that it will be in the 26th-42nd range, and specifically the 37th best defense in the country, as measured by FootballOutsiders' F/+ Defensive Efficiency Measure. That would be a tremendous jump, from 107th to 37th, but we think that jump can be made.
There are several reasons why we think FSU can be one of the best 40 defenses in the country.
First, is the tremendous strength and size gains made by the defensive line. With only one upperclassman on the two-deep, this group won't be excellent, very good, or even good. But these young pups can be above average, an improvement on last season. Better coaching for the defensive ends (they had none last year) and actual communication between the tackles and ends should help. Just playing fundamental football and having a plan on each snap will make a big difference. Expecting great or even very good things from this group this season is silly. These guys are in their first year of competent coaching at end and are not physically mature like they will be in 2011 and 2012. But it's not silly to think the defensive line will play much better than last year's abomination. And it's not silly to see this group lay the foundation for a dominant unit in 2011. It's not silly to think they will be more disciplined and play with better technique. With the lack of quality depth here, health will be key. Losing Moses McCray for the year already hurt. Another injury like that could mean the difference between another 6-6 record and potentially going 9-3. FSU must avoid injury if it is to have above average play here.
We expect improvement from the linebackers this year. The difference in coaching will be night and day. Having a better defensive line in front of them will make a big difference. This isn't one of the best groups in the ACC (BC and Carolina have the two best by far), but the starters aren't awful. Actually having assignments will make a big difference. Staying healthy here is key as the dropoff from the starters to the 6th, 7th, or 8th guy is quite large.
And the secondary. The ACC is absolutely loaded at defensive back, but FSU's corners stack up well against the league. We would only take the corners from Miami, North Carolina (provided they aren't kicked off the team), Virginia, and perhaps Clemson over this group. FSU could have the top corner group in the league next season, however, as these young talents have a second year in the scheme and continue to progress. Safety is a different story. We are really hoping that FSU's safeties can be average this season. It is our guess that FSU will trade some play-making chances for safety, keeping the deep guy deeper in order to avoid the big play. We are not particularly confident in this group and would trade them for every other ACC safety tandem with the exception of NC State, Wake, Duke, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. This group is very much wait and see. Patience will be required as FSU changes over to its new scheme.
How Did We Do With Our Prediction?
Florida State finished as the 37th best BCS conference defense. That was within our (admittedly wide) projected range of 24/66 to 42/66. We were accurate with almost all of the teams whom we projected FSU to finish above or behind in the rankings.
Overall, FSU finished with the 41st-best defense in the country, which was a huge improvement from 107th, and within our predicted range. I'd give Tomahawk Nation an A+ grade for this effort.
Yet for all of its improvement, FSU's defense was only 8th best in the ACC! There is a ton of defensive talent in this league.
Where Will FSU's Defense Finish This Season?
thanks to a huge upgrade in depth on the defensive line and another year in the very new scheme for the back seven, expectations run rampant for this defense in Tallahassee.
In some ways, this is prediction is easier to make this season. In other, however, it's more difficult. I'll stick with the same general format we used last year.
First, let's look at the BCS teams ahead of which FSU's defense ranked:
| 2009 | 2010 |
|---|---|
| Michigan State | |
| Syracuse | |
| Georgia | |
| Connecticut | |
| Louisville | |
| USC | |
| Oregon State | |
| UCLA | |
| Vanderbilt | |
| Tennessee | |
| Ole Miss | |
| Rutgers | |
| Texas Tech | |
| Washington | |
| Colorado | |
| Georgia Tech | |
| Kentucky | |
| Iowa State | |
| Duke | |
| Cincinnati | |
| Wake Forest | |
| Kansas | |
| NC State | Northwestern |
| Louisville | Kansas State |
| Duke | Virginia |
| Stanford | Minnesota |
| Kansas State | Baylor |
| Indiana | Indiana |
| Iowa State | Washington State |
| Washington State | Michigan |
That's quite an improvement!
Now, here are the defenses of which I am confident FSU will pass and a brief comment on each:
Purdue loses Ryan Kerrigan and some other key players. Arizona and Arizona State did as well. Wisconsin lost J.J. Watt. He was their best defensive player in a long time. Pitt lost its head coach, defensive staff, and a few NFL draft choices on defense. Auburn lost almost everyone, including Nick Fairley. Illinois lost its dominant guy in the middle, and though their defense is well coached, it would be a shock to see them finish ahead of FSU here. Cal loses Mike Mohamed and Cameron Jordan. USF lost McClain in the middle and they aren't exactly ready to replace him (watch out for them in 2012, however). Oklahoma State's defense was barely better than FSU last year and they lost quite a bit. Iowa too, belongs here after losing six or seven starters (depending on the source). Maryland has major questions at end, linebacker, and corner, a downgrade at defensive coordinator, and a 15% practice time penalty.
To recap, I think you can absolutely expect FSU to be better defensively than these 91 teams:
Illinois
Maryland
Iowa
South Florida
Auburn
Oklahoma State
Central Florida
Arizona State
California
Pittsburgh
Wisconsin
Purdue
Arizona
Michigan State
Syracuse
Connecticut
Louisville
USC
Oregon State
Kent State
SMU
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Air Force
Marshall
Tennessee
Buffalo
Southern Miss
Ole Miss
Rutgers
Texas Tech
Florida International
Fresno State
Northern Illinois
San Diego State
UL-Monroe
Hawaii
Washington
Nevada
Western Michigan
Miami (Ohio)
Temple
Middle Tennessee
Navy
Toledo
Colorado
Tulsa
Georgia Tech
Kentucky
Iowa State
Central Michigan
Florida Atlantic
Arkansas State
Army
Troy
Duke
UAB
Louisiana Tech
Cincinnati
UL-Lafayette
North Texas
Idaho
Utah State
Wake Forest
Bowling Green
Tulane
Kansas
Kansas State
Northwestern
Virginia
Western Kentucky
Minnesota
Ohio
Akron
Baylor
Houston
San Jose State
Indiana
Wyoming
Memphis
New Mexico
Ball State
Washington State
Colorado State
Rice
Michigan
UNLV
New Mexico State
East Carolina
UTEP
Eastern Michigan
Meaning that we are projecting FSU's defense to be no worse than 28th in the country. That's in the top 25% of all college defenses, and certainly a very good showing.
With another expected quality offense, FSU should find itself in the top 25 in both offense and defense for the first time in a long, long while (2003ish). Only a few teams accomplished that last season, and they are: Boise State, Stanford, Oklahoma, Oregon, Ohio State, TCU, LSU, Virginia Tech, South Carolina and Alabama. That's seven conference championships, a bunch of BCS bowls, and an average season of 12-2.
Here's where the really tough part comes in.
Last year I identified 25 defenses that I thought would definitely be better than FSU. I was right on 20 of the 25. This year? I can only find one: Bama (returns 10 of 11 starters from top-10 unit last season). And that's a really, really good thing for 'Nole fans.
Aside from Alabama, I cannot name with certainty any other defenses which will definitely be better than Florida State's. Now, I am not saying that FSU will have the second best defense in the country. But it does say a lot about the improvement made when you can only name one defense that will for sure be better than the 'Noles unit.
Last year we said 37th. This year, the range will be 28th to 2nd, somewhere in the mix with these teams: Arkansas, Boise State, Boston College, BYU, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Mississippi State, Missouri, N.C. State, Nebraska, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn State, South Carolina, Stanford, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M, Utah, Virginia Tech and West Virginia.
Official TN Predictionfor the FSU defense: 9th
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Watching the games was worse.
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Could have run on them
Need the past participle of run there, which is run.
Grammar police.
I'm going to send him my resume!
Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
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2009 Stats.
It was two pitchforks planted at the 20 with hay on them. It didn’t work. God I’m glad for those days to be behind us. I mean who scores 45 points in a LOSS anymore?
Bud, you use 88th for our defensive rank in 2009
But I see 107th per FO’s F/+. Are you using FEI or S&P?
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They had 88th in the F/+ for their annual last year. I wonder if Bill will clarify…
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yeah, I remember that too,
changed to 107 now. Strange.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Our 2009 defense just keeps getting worse.
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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
haha, kinda what I was thinking.
Bill, “On second thought, outside of 100 sounds better.”
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's cause some teams are
STILL scoring on them.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Korey Mangum
Got a hold of the Quantum Leap machine and ended up in 2009 Patrick Robinson.
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Simple explanation:
We made some adjustments to make sure the standard deviations were matching up correctly. Few were impacted as much as FSU, many weren’t impacted at all. I guess FSU had the perfect FEI/S&P+ combination…
thanks for the heads up though
Do you expect similar modifications to the 2010 data?
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So it should be the 107 and not the 88?
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You know what that means Rico?
You will have to redo your piece on how much Stoops improved FSU football. Probably puts FSU near the top team in improvement for first year DC. 107 to 41. How bout them apples?
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
A corollary question to this
What was the average (and SD) of movement of places for any given team? 66 spots is incredible
Probably semi-explainable with regression to the mean
The drop from top-30 to 107th was at least equally incredible.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I did read it, thinking back now, and thought uh oh,
wonder if that is a mistake. Instead I should have you know, gone back and look to see if the numbers have been changed. Glad it was done so that the mag has the most up to date numbers.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
oh my bad, excellent
my good man.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to have you back, Bud
What are you glorifying with your life?
by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Clemson?
How can clemson be in mix to be better defensively than us with all of the depth questions on their spine?
Champ here! I'm all about havin' fun. You know, get a couple cocktails in me, start a fire in someone's kitchen. Maybe go to SeaWorld, take my pants off.
by SemiErectNoles on Aug 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
*dline
Champ here! I'm all about havin' fun. You know, get a couple cocktails in me, start a fire in someone's kitchen. Maybe go to SeaWorld, take my pants off.
by SemiErectNoles on Aug 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You can have questions on your spine
ask long as you have elite ankles.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
Still have a ton of talent and very good coaching. Depth matters, but moreso if you have injuries. Would not shock me in the slightest if Clemson had the better defense. I wouldn’t expect it, but I certainly cannot say “no way will Clemson have the better defense.” People really tend to discoutn FSU’s opponents.
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fair enough
I just recall that dline depth was one of the major reasons/excuses for our defensive struggles late in the season.
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by SemiErectNoles on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It really showed when McDaniel McCloud Dawkins and McAllister all suffered injuries.
I look at depth not as a reason why someone will be good, but as something to reinforce my notion that they will be. Helps with certainty.
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They're still well coached
Plus, I prefer to think of it in a range.
If we’re in the top 15 we’ll be fine. The difference between defenses is often very minimal expect at the extremes.
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As long as Steele is there
I will never take Clemson’s D lightly.
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by CornNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sticking with top-15
If better than average “luck”, top-10.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
agreed for this year,
next year however i think will be dominant (top 5 – 7 depending on injuries and such)
I want a top 3 defense in 2012
Seems like that is where the real difference is. Teams 1-3 generally about the same. Teams 4-8 about the same. Teams 9-15 about the same
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Gonna have to see what other teams have
before narrowing it down that much. I’d say top-10 without even looking, though.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you that
which is why I generally don’t prefer using rankings as the only way to measure performance. Have to look at the actual numbers sometime. (Which thankfully F/+ allows us to do)
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Absolutely. Confusing for many, though.
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TOP 10
Reason, we only face one truly top QB.
These rankings adjust for opponent, so that does not matter
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Still some unknowns on D this season.
-Will Joyner be as good as advertised as a 1st year starter in a position he hasn’t played since high school? Safety play was far and away the weakest point for me last year.
-Has Reid improved his technique and tackling?
-With Jenkins double teamed all year will Werner be able to apply ample pressure in his 1st year as the starter? Meaning has he improved as much as advertised?
-Linebacker play, will all that talent be realized?
If these all show up this is gonna be really fun to watch.
Joyner is a stud at safety
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Hide yo receivers.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Jimbo should have hid Willie Haulstead better.....
#TooSoon?
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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
And for me, JMO,
he’s the final piece of this year’s puzzle that makes the difference between top-25 and top-15.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He is the most important player on defense. Not the best, but the most important. By far.
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word to yer moms.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Crazy to think a TRUE SOHPOMORE
Is the most important guy on our defense. But I agree, he is the one player we can’t afford to lose.
So then is it the best idea
to have our most important player on D returning kickoffs?
by BhamSeminole on Aug 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
damn you guys picking my upcoming articles
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by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I agree with the sentiment that Joyner is extremely important to our D
with Parks and Moody both at FS now, and Joyner returning kickoffs, do you think that means Stoops trusts Brooks as Joyner’s backup?
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Greene needs to be a primary Kickoff Return man.
-Speed. He has it.
-Experience. He won’t get many snaps at WR, need to get him involved for future development.
-Importance. LJ doesn’t need to be risking his knees/shoulders/ankles for the field position that he himself can help create at SS (deep safety).
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I am never a fan of having true Freshman play a returner postion in a big game - they seem prone to fumbling not being use to being hit by the college caliber of athlete
Think Leon Washington at home against ND as a Freshman
Luckily, he will have 2 Kickoff Return opportunities before Oklahoma.
Maybe 3.
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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I see what you did
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Saw reports of Karlos working some at KR
Anyone have any idea of where he falls on the depth chart at KR.
I personally would rather see Karlos than LJ or Greene.
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Note: I'd rather see Karlos because I think it would be fun to see his size and speed on kickoff
not because I think he’d necessarily be better than Greene
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by hardcorenole on Aug 30, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont see it
Greene and Reid for sure… Can’t risk LJ in that role albeit he would be really good at it
I don't view Greg Reid as very valuable on KO return team, either returning OR blocking.
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His vision is incredible
he won’t take one back (no speed), but he can get us 30-40 yard returns at least once a game, and has shown up in big games (even OU last year). Plus he is a staple of FSU’s special teams and a huge boost to the crowd.
I wouldn’t trade anyone for G5 on special teams.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
freshrec.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm trying to agree
But I think he’ll be back there plenty for punts this year, given that we’ll be getting more stops and allowing fewer scores. I still say the negatives he brings on KOs make replacing him with someone more consistent more appealing. Not to mention the injury concerns (ala Joyner, although I admit it’s not nearly as big of a deal)
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Punt return, yes. Absolutely. Kickoff return, no....unless it's a broken-field return a la a PR.
He also offers next to nothing as a blocker when he doesn’t get the ball. He offers a 30-40 yard return a couple times/year….not per game. FSU needs consistent returns, and saving him the wear & tear isn’t a bad thing. Getting younger guys involved on returns isn’t a bad thing either.
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Disagree on this.
Think fresh’s assessment is dead on. Might eventually get run down, but typically not before he’s chewed up a lot of field.
I'm sure Bud's KOR article will address this. His skillset is made for open/broken-field running.
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If you ever have seen Reid footage as a HS RB… He’s scary good in the open field once he gets the ball in his hands — especially in big games
Punt Return = open field running. Kickoff Return is much more structured and assignment-based.
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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is one skill set I have no problem forming my own opinion.
I’ll cede to others like yourself on lineman play… and have yet to do a film or statistical review on G5 (noting where he is getting the ball vs. gross average returns)…. but from my casual observations his skillset still works quite well on kickoffs.
The fact that he can accelerate as well as anyone, coupled with being a non-carbon-based life form (my guess is he’s composed of uranium, as he simply cannot be brought down down with anything but a full wrap + tackle — it defies truly physics) makes him pretty dangerous back there.
I agree that he is a dangerous returner, regardless of how the ball got in his hands...
…I just don’t see him as nearly as dangerous on KO Returns as some do on here. I want to see the film/statistical analysis.
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Agree. I would like to see the net result before definitively weighing in on whether we need to save him for CB + PR.
But it seems like he’s put us at midfield on multiple important occasions on KOs (as well as the indisputable contributions as PR extraordinaire).
I might be confusing instances, though, so hopefully someone comes through for us with the facts.
Me too! My evidence is anecdotal right now, but his KOR stuck out to me, UNC aside.
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I'm not disagreeing with you that he skill set isn't best suited as KR
But my question, is that if we are in the situation last year against UNC. 55 secs left in the game and we get the kickoff. Tell me who you trust most to get a big return. Everytime I say Reid is the guy. Putting him back there is gonna get a big return or a squib/kick out of bounds
by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Idk
Reid is kind of hit and miss on kickoffs, its been more than a few times, where I saw him had a big return that should have been a td, ill see if I can find them on youtube
Oh no doubt
I would def take Reid, on Punt Returns though, just because of his vision in traffic
well PR is a broken play to begin with
so thats where his acceleration and change of direction make him elite.
Greg Reid
I feel has the vision to maneuver through traffic, but doesn’t have the top end speed to break it
http://youtu.be/slJbso- <— 40 sec mark if he cuts outside its a td
I never said score a TD
cause he does lack top end speed. But if we need 30-40 yards and electric return.. He still gets it done on KR
Ima be honest
Yes he should have cut that one outside.. But #12 for CU was gonna catch him and he isn’t really looking behind him when he makes those cuts so I can’t really blame him for that.
I like this one better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75TeKIyQYlI&feature=related
He is really fun to watch.
I'm so tired it took me a couple minutes to figure out how to reply.
Anyway, really great point. I couldn’t agree with you more.
I'm interested in seeing how effective Jacobbi McDaniel can be moving from noseguard to 3-technique.
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- assumes staffer correctly wrote down what Jimbo or Odell told him
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Not entirely. Could have moved in last week. I have not asked.
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Yes...
He has a good bit of speed for a dude that big and would be nasty as a 3-tech…DRusso has an diatribe somewhere explaining why.
I have several. Perhaps I should just write a fanpost about it for easy reference...
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I concur.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
More importantly
how much more effective by NOT playing 70% of the snaps and NOT having to play hurt…even a little hurt.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
EVERYBODY is "a little hurt".
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The real question is
if he is a the 3-tech, Dawkins still starts right? I think as far as our DTs, Dawkins is the only one with real stud potential with any experience. Timmy Man-Child Jernigan will be that guy in the future.
I think we can throw out the terms "starter" and "backup".
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
moreso what is the pairing? Dawkins and McCloud, Jaccobi and Cam Irving? How do that work out? Is it running pairs and passing pairs?
It's a constant 600 pound combo with interchangable parts.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
but for passing down….do you slide in some different parts… on 3rd and 1 at the goal line…who ya got?
We'll go with the Dooley special
McCloud, Dawkins, Erving, Jernigan, Werner, Jenkins, Bradham, Vince, Telvin, Jones, Joyner, Rhodes, Reid, and Moody
Works every time.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 30, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the McCloud/McDaniel “heavy” combo for short yardage last year. (Maybe McCloud/Erving this year)
McDaniel/Dawkins seemed to be the best passing down combo. (Maybe Erving/Dawkins this year)
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope that kind of situational cross training is in play.
Would be nice to add extra beef on short yardage plays.
The saddest aspect of adding all this new girth is that we’ll never get to see it tested out on Tebow. Alas…
They'll see his goofy ass in the NFL
of course, he’ll be on the bench while they’re on the field.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Already anticipated that question and came to the same (unspoken) conclusion, pre-post.
They will NEVER get to square off against Tebow.
Dawkins is the best pass-rushing DT returning (by far), but Jernigan might be close to that level already.
Jaccobbi is 2nd. Amp McCloud is not a pass-rusher at all, but he is a ROCK vs the run and will only be better in that respect.
I don’t yet trust Erving in competitive games….he needs another year+.
McCallister showed pass rush ability in flashes last year (I like his lateral quickness upfield). Cummings is unknown.
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If Jernigan is as good as advertised
Does he basically own that spot on passing downs? I’d love to have him rotate in on 3rd down and use those fresh legs to cause havoc. Have the other guys pick up the rush downs.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No, Dawkins/McDaniel do. But he will get his opportunities.
Too good not to…
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But Erving was unblockable in the spring game!
I kid, I kid. But seriously, he was.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could have gotten 2.5 sacks against some of those walkon OG's
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Just kidding. Unless you're into that kinda thing. But seriously.....I've got them.


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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Dodgeball and Anchorman references surfacing.
Football is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
nobody makes me bleed my own blood
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
New Jack in the Box product line.
600 pound combo with interchangable parts.
Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.
by fmnole on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Loved the reference, except...
No JitB’s in Tallahassee. Or Florida. Or Georgia. Or Mississippi….just saying.
Big issue is that he might be the even the 2nd best 3-tech we have right now
He has experience at the 1 from last year, so he very well have moved back to get some more playing time.
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Both are VASTLY improved.
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Werner is an absolute BEAST in his own right. He HAS improved as much as advertised, and he was solid as a true-frosh.
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in a few years
hopefully Elliot will see some credit for our ends. He’s got to be dying with talent like Jenkins/Werner/Carradine/Newberry and then our class coming in….
The incoming talent borders on the insane....add Robert Nk _ _ _ _ _che and my head might explode.
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I don't put ANYTHING past this staff except DGB.
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Heard Clowney was going to transfer, too...
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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Aug 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Awesome!
Maybe Steward will be a non-qual and we can get another bite at that apple, too.
Trying to keep the clown on lockdown?

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by Dogrel on Aug 31, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is Stoops that good of a coach....
to have this defense improve this much, to where the “dominating” tag can be applied?
Off the top of my head
I’d put him in the top-10 DCs. And he has more talent than just about all the other top-10 guys.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Has Stoops
ever had this much talent to work with at any other school he’s coached at?
Not even close.
Arizona got USC/UCLA/Oregon scraps and he consitently had top-30 units.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The DB talent he put together at UM was siiiiiiiick....
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Ah, thought we were just talking about DC experience.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't specify DC... #LoopHole
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I did and he replied to me.
loophole closed, Nazi IRS style.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Where?
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Starting at the "loophole closed" post
hit the “up” button 5 times.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I see no reason why not
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He impressed Jimbo enough that Fisher did not hire his good friend Greg Hudson to be the DC, as I think he had planned to do.
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This is probably an absurd question
because the fact that Jimbo brought him along should be evidence enough….but are we happy about the possibility of Hudson because our future DC?
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Would say so.
His Ds at ECU were pretty solid, if I remember correctly.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Its another example of the dominance of FSU's program
We have a HC so good hes expected to be head coaching somewhere else in another year or so and the guy that will take over is already on the team and is someone you would love to land on the free market if we needed to look for a new one.
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a DC that is
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How different are Stoops/Hudson defenses?
Knowing Stoops may not be here much longer, I’m curious to hear what kind of transition we’re looking at.
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by Drew J Jones on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm enjoying the ginger ride while it lasts
(TWSS)
I’m sure when the time comes there’ll be plenty of room for 1,000+ comment posts on the new guy.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Very similar, but Hudson defenses at ECU created turnovers at an astounding rate & multiplied their talent to a level that would make VaTech jealous.
Not that Stoops Defenses don’t…..but remember that he is in year 2 of a total reclamation project. Imagine he is in day 2/3 of an “Overhaulin” week.
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If guys like Smart & Steele are 1a coaches......Stoops falls into the 1b category.
He is a GREAT coach. Wait until 2012 to see the FULL fruits of his labors….
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Los?
I haven’t heard much about Karlos Williams coming out of camp. I know safety is a hard position to learn on the college level as a true freshman. Will he see meaningful playing time this year?
Meaningful, as in decent amount? Yes.
Meaningful, as in important games/situations? Probably not.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
JMO
he’ll get very little PT on defense early in the year. Personally, I’d like to see Parks and Moody turn up the position battle the first two weeks.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Jimbo does have a history
of letting young guys play just enough in meaningless games to get thouroughly embarrassed and recognize the importance of completely buying into the system.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
by SoCalNole on Aug 31, 2011 8:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is very raw and did not play the pass at all in HS because his team was awful and opponents only needed to run against them. I commented on this awhile back, if someone has the link. It inspired quite the argument.
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Do you still like him better at WR?
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOO!
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, because I don’t love his reacting. I think he is betetr if he already knows where is he going.
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Don't agree.
And I don’t care that you know better and may even be proven right. HA! The kid’s a (insert word similar to freakish) athlete that has plenty of time to learn. He’ll be more valuable on defense in two years than he would be at receiver.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I wasn’t talking about his value to us. FSU clearly has more young receiver talent than safety talent.
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Ha. Thought for sure I had a
Bud ::bitchslap:: coming my way.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's got the nastiest slap?
Bud? MattD? DKfromVA?
I’d say MattD, in isolation… but then you have to consider that Bud gets a follow-up onslaught from his barbarian hoard of followers (I hear they’re approaching 6k+) and then you’re in a world of hurt.
As it relates to diamond talk, though, DK is singular.
Rick James. Bitch.
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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm here for the free crack!
I feel like Tyrone Biggums. I’m just waiting for my boss to come over and have a TN intervention with me…..
by Ramblin' Man on Aug 30, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Tomahawk Nation got me craaaaazy!
I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 30, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU CRACK!!!

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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well done Fresh
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by Rudy Stivers on Aug 30, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Avis Commack
Will AC see much playing time this year? Think we could see him against OU’s physical wideouts?
2nd-team CB's will see snaps. Just depends how much.
Don’t expect much out of AC vs OU this year though.
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EJ mentioned in an interview recently that the offense had been running some no-huddle in practice
Is this purely 2 minute drill stuff, or does anyone expect Jimbo to try and up the tempo this year, especially with our depth on defense now?
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The bevvy of 10 180 DBs from UF will have a harder time swallowing
our mammoth QB’s knees between their teeth if they’re winded. I say HUNH ’em into the ground.
It would be interesting to analyze the effect of our front 7 this year vs. '09 & '10 on
1. Frequency of 3rd Down and Long situations
2. Frequency of Nickel Coverage because of this
3. Change in Time of Possession Ratio
If the front 7 is as good as advertised (and it looks good in photos and paper), then we should expect opponent rushing ypp to drop, and offer more 2nd and 3rd and long situations. I’d expect to see Harris, Reid and Rhodes on the field alot. And, having Joyner playing CF gives us 4 guys who can cover.
Looks impressive on paper.
You have to think that our O will be solid practicing against the #1 defense year round. And I think they’ll have to be if its inferred that UF, USF and WVU will have solid defenses. Any insight as to USF moving to 2014? Please say yes….
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Too many unknowns to project that far.
I’m hesitant to be that exact even out to 2012. Top-10 is safe bet for 2012.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're wrong, it's not like anyone's going to dig up your prediction and hang you on it.
On the other hand, if you’re right, you will be able to claim unrivaled prognosticational skillz, readily citing evidence in this very thread.
Go ahead… Do it… C’mon…
If you’re wrong, it’s not like anyone’s going to dig up your prediction and hang you on it.
Perhaps you’ve not met Dogrel and tricknole?
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It may indeed end up in tricknole's sig...
But he only posts after 2am. The masses won’t read it and will disregard his wild late night conspiracy theories in favor of their hero and visionary, DKN.
Hasn't been said yet (I think) but the biggest problem last year's D was
getting off the field on 3rd down. FSU was dead f’ing last in the Conference!
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/821/team/offense/split01/category25/sort01.html
Championship!
uh… thats offense…
here is defense
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/821/team/defense/split07/category25/sort01.html
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sorry
that had to be the worst (unintentional) attempt to lie with stats ever.
D doesn’t look as bad as I thought
Championship!
3rd downs were a problem in certain games
especially the ACC championship
The Navin R. Johnson of Tomahawk Nation.
What I have tried to show previously
in a nutshell….is last year’s defense was pretty good when only focusing on one dimension. They were one of the better ACC 3rd and long teams and the WORST BY FAR on 3rd and medium/short. To connect the dots a little further, they were middle of the pack on 1st and 2nd. i.e. they couldn’t consistently force teams into passing downs.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
actually I think the biggest problem was giving up 3rd & longs
b/c our 2010 D was very good on 1st and 2nd downs, and forcing Ds into 3rd and long.
Championship!
I'm looking at conference play only.
I was mistaken about 1st down. FSU was near the top. Middle of the pack on 2nd. 11th in 3rd SD conversion rate and 4th in 3rd and long.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't let Tyrod Taylor's best performance ever
fool you into thinking FSU was never good at stopping 3rd and long.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and TJ Yates best performance of his career
and (probably) Landry Jones’ best 1st half of his career.
Championship!
How many QB's have to have "the night of their life"
before it becomes indicative of the D’s failings? I ask as a Texans fan. Houston should have gotten a commission on at least 5 QB’s contracts.
I chalk it up to a new system: when things went wrong they started thinking too much and got burned by good offenses.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They didn't do their damage
on 3rd and long, though.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We "held" OU to 60% on 3rd and long.
100% on 3rd and standard.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
UNC was 4/13 on 3rd down
3/4 on standard.
1/9 on NSD.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY!
8.4 ypp, 51% SR on 1st downs
7.6 ypp, 50% SR on 2nd downs
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Shows how time can color the memory..
I just seemed to remember them coming up with huge play after huge play when it seemed we actually had them in a favorable situation. But I trust your stats.
they had a better 2nd half
we only scored 1 TD in the 2nd half; they got 16 points. 1st game in November and our D was starting to get gassed, esp. in the 2nd half.
Championship!
They did. Didn't matter the distance to go, either.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But I trust your stats.
I think you’re the only one. haha.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Long downs against this defense will be bad
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Fixed it for you....
Or LJ giving a WR ON THE OTHER TEAM a concussion
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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think we'll see a fair amount of draws against us on 3rd and long this year
If I’m an offensive coordinator with 3rd and 10+ against FSU this year, I’m running a draw. Keeps quarterback healthy, prevents interceptions, and prevents fumbles on sacks. I think I’d be happier punting it away and trying again on the next series to stay in standard downs.
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Limiting the 15-20 Yard Pass.
…specifically against OU. Will FSU go with a 3-4-4 against Landry? Seems with Murray gone the real threat will be in the middle of the field, with Reid, Rhodes/Harris, and Joyner all spying the deep pass.
no way does FSU remove dlinemen from the field. if anything take bradham and williams off
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Take Bradham and Williams off...
and and go 5-1-5..
Tank-Werner-McDaniel-Dawkins-Jenkins
Jones
XR27-Parks-Joynes-Harris-Reid
Absolutely not. We discussed this in another thread.
We don’t have tons of LBs and particularly are shallow with LB experience. We do have a lot of depth on the line. The only way it looks like a 3-4-4 at all is we are dropping DEs into coverage to cut down on the short passing game.
Wait
Bud, your link only shows D 3rd conversion rate against ACC opponents. I was trying to show the same data against all opponents.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/821/team/defense/split01/category25/sort01.html
We were 9th in the conference (against all opponents). That needs to improve.
Possible FanShot: data showing how 2nd year Ds did on 3rd down compared to 1st year Ds.
Championship!
Why would you use all opponents when that is an inconsistent slate? Why not use the most similar set of opponents?
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I can see why you'd want to drop Samford
but I see no reason for dropping anyone else: OU & UF are fellow AQ conference opponents, and BYU was no worse than a Wake
Championship!
But the comparisons aren’t fair when comparing us against other ACC team’s efforts because those teams did not play our non-con schedule.
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Similar Opponents.
Bud – I think as the season progresses, you and I are going to get along marvelously. I’m the computer poll guy, and I too – don’t understand when requests are made for apples vs. oranges. :)
I like the "FBS Winning" filter, myself
That also shows we were near the bottom at getting off the field on 3rd downs, so your signal holds.
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Our 2009 D-Roster.
2009 (2011)
LDE: Kevin McNeil (Brandon Jenkins)
DT: Justin Mincey (Everett Dawkins, Cam Erving)
NT: Kendrick Stewart (Anthony McCloud, Jaccobi McDaniel, Timmy Jernigan)
RDE: Markus White (Bjoern Werner, Tank Carradine)
SLB: Nigel Carr (Vince Williams, Telvin Smith)
MLB: Kendall Smith (Christian Jones, Nigel Terrell)
WLB: Nigel Bradham (Nigel Bradham, Jeff Luc)
FCB: Ochuko Jenije (Greg Reid, Avis Commack)
FS: Jamie Robinson (Lamarcus Joyner, Terrence Brooks)
ROV: Korey Mangum (Terrance Parks, Nick Moody)
BCB: Patrick Robinson (Mike Harris, Xavier Rhodes)
So with the exception perhaps of Nigel Carr/Vince Williams – it would seem to my naked eye that FSU upgraded themselves at nearly every position. I admit P-Rob was a naturally gifted athlete, but even he got burned occasionally, and I chalk it up to Andrews using an old man-coverage scheme, and no conditioning or training on technique for these fundamental flaws. I just look all over the field and see depth and playmakers everywhere. These guys will be flying around in year two under Stoops.
My only concern is – which NCAA team will be asking for his services as a Head Coach come January?
Yes, all upgrades. I think the combo of Harris/Rhodes > than P-Rob.
But P-Rob was burned b/c he played on a really bad D.
I'll never forget how many opportunities
we had to chase guys down from behind.
Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’ll never forget Bill Stewart inexplicably abandoning Devine and the run and letting us beat them. It was like he had to prove he was an even worse coach than latter day Bowden.
I'll never forget Ga Tech's triple option gashing us
Thinking “come-on Mickey, you could scheme a D to stop Tommy Frazier and Lawrence Phillips in the triple-option but our D cannot even lay a hand on these clowns?” And then my mind would relapse into a surly, drunken comatose state.
Was at that game,
on the second row, right behind the defensive staff. Mickey was just standing off to the side watching Fancy Shoes try to tell the kids what they were doing wrong. Nightmare.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
stop it.
NIGHTMARE
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol
I was there the whole 2009 season….Nightmares galore.. USF, Ga Tech, UM, Jax St…. I mean UMD came down to the last minute when EJ just said fine I’ma run it and were gonna win
Lol that GT game was a nightmare.
by fsunole23 on Aug 30, 2011 11:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carr didnt start for FSU much iirc
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D-Watt.
This…is no lie. I should have known this. The man lives in my condo complex on the first floor. lol. I….feel….stupid. If anyone wants to swing by and grab an autograph, he’s the coolest guy to meet. Really laid back.
He's with the Bucs now.
He’s been a “backup” over the last season, but the fans and locals all know he’s the guy.
3 FSU OLB's in 4 seasons for the Bucs.
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Watching the Fins/Buc's game the other night,
I had to chuckle a little to myself how Geno Hayes is starting and Teblow is taking splinters out of his ass.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
by FrankDNole on Aug 30, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You see what they are doing when the broncos are coming into town
I quit man, I cant follow such a crappily run team anymore.
"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum
What an embarrassing front office, one of the worst in the NFL.
However, I find it ironic than another person named Dee is sticking it to the Canes. We’ve talked about trying to organize a boycott between now and then and getting to the game late. But then someone brought up the idea that by doing that, the Turds will be able to have their day. Now we are rethinking it and thinking about being there to boo and try to be disruptive. We also talked about trying to start a chant for Brady Quinn during the festivities (like BRADY QUINN, BRADY QUINN, BRADY QUINN). As a Nole I think it’s funny how it has the scUMer’s up in arms, but as a Nole I don’t want anything Turd related happening while I’m in attendance at a Phin’s game which is also honoring the QB (albeit 3rd string) for the opposing team.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Its sad, but I really dont care anymore
as long as Ross and the Hollywood whores are running the team, Im done.
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2nd-string OLB for the Bucs pushing Quincy Black to start.
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Bud, I think you’re right on that one. I’m not very good at keeping tabs on linebackers. Did they play Mister Alexander at the Sam?
Wow has the tone on this site changed.
I have been reading this site for a while, way before I officially joined in Feb 2010. I can tell you things have changed. I used to tell my friends about it and they would always say how much of a downer this site was. I used to tell them that TN just tells it like it is, and then back it up with a rIdiculous amount of stats.
Now if someone joined they would think TN is made up of a bunch of FSU homers. Talk of #1 defenses, owning the state, ACC and eventually NC’s. What a change.
I just hope the optimism we feel for this team really shows up on the field. But what makes me truly believe that it will, is this site. Because I trust that the hope is based on facts, unbiased knowledge and stats, not just enthusiasm.
by jimmygnole on Aug 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can be quite the pessimist
But even I can sense this year’s team is going to be very good.
What are you glorifying with your life?
A small part of me worries that we are giving too much credit to our depth and omewhat ignoring that there is nobody dominant on the inside.
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We'll definitely miss Thacker in there
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I know what your saying. But waves of fresh bodies as long as they average or above…I’ll take in the long haul
This season honestly petrifies me
Because its the first year that I do honestly believe we are back. As in BCS game back. And should have a great season. But it also scares the living hell out of me that their is in fact a real chance of starting this season 2-2 and suddenly we have pressure just to keep up with last year. A loss at UF is not out of the question and UM if they have all their players when they play us wont be a 4 TD game again.
Just like you need every bounce to go your way for an undefeated season if the opposite happens we can have a 3+ loss season and pray we win the ACCCG. A disappointing season scares me tons. I really wish it was the 2012 season already. that is the year I truly believe without a doubt we will be back and a 3 loss regular season isnt even a possibility to me.
All that said I see us at 10-2 regular season. I have more fear because of legit expectations this year
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No need to be scared
Enjoy the ride. Remember how horrible it was to watch this team just 2 years ago?
Instead of waiting for the next loss, spitefully watching our rivals succeed at our expense, hoping for a 2 second mention on Sportscenter, and praying Maryland loses so we have a shot to lose the ACCCG, we now get to enjoy the ups and downs of top-25 college football. Chop and be merry my friend.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we think of any recent, dominant defenses that did not have dominant DTs?
UF might fit the profile…
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=F&collegeName=Florida&abbrFlag=0&type=school
Seems like most of their elite talent was at DE, supplemented by quality, but not 1st round NFL talent inside…? Dunlap, Moss, Harvey all outside… the DTs look to consist of a bunch of 4th rounders… though some of that driven by character issues.
Thomas was very very talented but rarely on the field.
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Bud kept it so real back then
His name was FSUncensored.
No holds barred.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
BTW - if anyone wants to go to the ULM game this weekend.
…I have 2 Family Zone Seats for the game. I can’t make it due to my wife’s company party, which I am obligated to attend. I’m just gonna give them away if anyone wants them.
by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'd love to have'em
Take my son to his first game.
by NoleForever on Aug 30, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is awesome!
If you are going to be at the OU/FSU game, I’d love to hand you a beer fsutampaguy.
Stuff like this is what it’s all about.
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I'll be there. Can a brother get a Natty Lite?
Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Handing me a beer. lol.
Natty, I’ll be at the OU game with my wife. Sadly, we do not have anyone to tailgate with or enjoy the games with, as it has been about 5 years since I have been to a game. Instead of buying me a beer – it’d be great just to have a beer with some Nole friends. Mike (NoleForever), I dropped your tickets in the mail this morning bud. Enjoy the game with your son. I hope it is a great memory for you both!
DKN and fsutampa
We will be tailgating out on the intramural fields.
I’ll email you both about it. :)
p.s. Please note that I may be a bit intoxicated at the time of our meeting. Don’t hold that against me.
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Tailgating.
Well I hope to see you there in the early going then Natty. I’m more than happy to bring some booze to help you retain your buzz. I just don’t want my wife’s first experience in a CFB game to be bad. I’d do anything for her to party like a rock star while we’re there. Sorry to everyone on here for taking this thread off-topic. Go NOLES!
by fsutampaguy on Aug 31, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I will be half-way coherent
My wife will be there as well and she keeps me in line :)
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
...and she's the D/D
since she’s pregnant :) lol
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Always have a designated decoy
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Thanks for your generosity!
I haven’t told my son yet. I’m afraid he wouldn’t sleep.
by NoleForever on Aug 31, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
winner. you get them...
as long as you aren’t making it up…haha.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
They're all yours.
Shoot me an e-mail to fsutampaguy@gmail.com and I’ll mail them out to you. Hope you and the son enjoy the game sir. :)
by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Great. Thanks.
I do it when i get home. Leaving work.
Biggest scheming problem last year
was the inability to stop the scrambling qbs. I still have nightmares from the NC State and VT games.
I wonder if the push to have Telvin play the Mike at his weight means they want to use him as a spy against run-dangerous qbs.
In nickel sets we may see a conservative rush with Bradham spying.
We will be improved vs. scrambling QBs this year
A. Our D-Line will come at offenses in waves and have fresh legs needed to maintain rush-lane discipline;
2. Like you mentioned, Telvin will be in there, but also adding Christian Jones’ athleticsm to the mix will allow fewer open spaces inside for QBs to exploit; and
D. Our D will make QBs pay the price physically when they scramble. Gone are the days when opposing QBs fall-forward for an extra two yards and then bounce up and sprint back to the huddle.
“Gone are the days when opposing QBs fall-forward for an extra two yards and then bounce up and sprint back to the huddle.”
If opposing QB’s bounce back up this year it will likely be from the impact of hitting the ground. There will be very little sprinting back to the huddle…it will likely be limping back to the huddle.
I'm concerned about how well the LBs will do, but few seem to mention it
Hoping HUD has coached them up. Concerned due to inexperience and also concerned about injuries because we aren’t very deep particularly if we have 1 or 2 guys injured.
I think my lack of concern is a result of KS and MA not having been long-time vets in this system. I am comfortable with the depth right now, particularly given the ability to go Nickel or use Moody more if there is a need.
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