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Will Florida State Have A "really good, dominant" defense?

Nigel Bradham and the rest of the 'Nole defense look to make another leap in quality in 2011 .  (Photo by Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

Jimbo Fisher recently stated that he expects FSU to have a "really good, dominant" defense this year. That's quite a leap from what 'Nole fans experienced during Bobby Bowden's final season. And though much improved, last year's defense was far from dominant. Let's take a look back at what we said about the defense going into last season:

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It's the new defense that FSU fans are most anxious to see. Last year's defense was simply awful.  The 107th best in the country.  Of the 66 major conference teams, FSU was only better than NC State, Louisville, Indiana, Duke, Stanford, Kansas State, Iowa State, and of course, Washington State. The last ACC defenses to be this bad in league play were some of the mid-decade Duke teams. If you want more comparisons and perspective, check out Closing The Book On The 2009 FSU Defense.  This season the group should be a lot better.  We've done a lot of research (some of which we haven't had the time to write about) to figure out just how much a defense can improve in a single season.  The answer is that it can improve a lot.  It won't go from awful to elite, but it can improve significantly.  We'll get into why in a second, but we feel confident in this chart:

BCS Conference Teams FSU's Defense Was Better Than
2009 Projected 2010 

Cincinatti

Colorado

UConn

Wake Forest

Minnesota

Kansas

Kentucky

Rutgers

Maryland

Vanderbilt

Texas A&M

Baylor

Illinois

Washington

Syracuse
NC State NC State
Louisville Louisville
Duke Duke
Stanford Stanford
Kansas State Kansas State
Indiana Indiana
Iowa State Iowa State
Washington State Washington State

There were only 8 BCS conference teams that were worse than Florida State on defense last season.  This year, we would be shocked if FSU isn't at least better than 24 major conference teams (we listed the ones who should be the worst 24).  But can FSU be better than that?  Yes.  Though it would be a huge increase to go from 58th of 66th to 42nd of 66, it can be done.  Let's work backwards here.  FSU is not going to have a better defense than the elite BCS conference defenses like (ACC teams in bold) Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Iowa, Miami, Nebraska, North Carolina (if they don't lose all their players for the season), Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, and Texas.  We also don't feel FSU will be in the next tier of BCS conference defenses consisting of LSU, Auburn, Boston College, Georgia, Mississippi, Oregon, Pittsburgh, South Carolina, Texas Tech, USC, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.  So better than 43nd of 66, but worse than 25th of 66.  That group of 25-43 consists of Arizona, Arizona State, Arkansas, Cal, Georgia Tech, Michigan, Michigan State, Mississippi State, Missouri, Notre Dame, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Purdue, South Florida, Tennessee, UCLA, and Virginia.

If FSU is in that 26th-42nd range among BCS conference teams what does that mean?  

  • The Range:  It means that FSU will definitely have one of the best 50 defenses in the country.  We'd be shocked if FSU doesn't have one of the 50 best.  Note that we said best, meaning quality.  That doesn't mean top 50 in total yards.  We use advanced statistical efficiency measures to gauge performance because this blow is smart enough to understand their value and wise enough to not be misled by the flaws in raw counting stats.   FSU's defense could be as good as 25th in the country.  We do not expect that, but it is conceivable that if everything breaks right for the 'Noles defense, including perfect health, it could happen.
  • In conference, It means FSU will have the 6th, 7th, or 8th best defense in the ACC.  We see it ranking behind Boston College, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, and Virginia Tech, but ahead of NC State, Wake Forest, Maryland and Duke.  FSU will battle Virginia and Georgia Tech for those 6-8 spots.
  • Our official Tomahawk Nation prediction for the defense is that it will be in the 26th-42nd range, and specifically the 37th best defense in the country, as measured by FootballOutsiders' F/+ Defensive Efficiency Measure.  That would be a tremendous jump, from 107th to 37th, but we think that jump can be made.  

There are several reasons why we think FSU can be one of the best 40 defenses in the country.

First, is the tremendous strength and size gains made by the defensive line.  With only one upperclassman on the two-deep, this group won't be excellent, very good, or even good.  But these young pups can be above average, an improvement on last season.  Better coaching for the defensive ends (they had none last year) and actual communication between the tackles and ends should help.  Just playing fundamental football and having a plan on each snap will make a big difference.  Expecting great or even very good things from this group this season is silly. These guys are in their first year of competent coaching at end and are not physically mature like they will be in 2011 and 2012. But it's not silly to think the defensive line will play much better than last year's abomination. And it's not silly to see this group lay the foundation for a dominant unit in 2011. It's not silly to think they will be more disciplined and play with better technique. With the lack of quality depth here, health will be key. Losing Moses McCray for the year already hurt. Another injury like that could mean the difference between another 6-6 record and potentially going 9-3. FSU must avoid injury if it is to have above average play here.  

We expect improvement from the linebackers this year. The difference in coaching will be night and day. Having a better defensive line in front of them will make a big difference. This isn't one of the best groups in the ACC (BC and Carolina have the two best by far), but the starters aren't awful. Actually having assignments will make a big difference. Staying healthy here is key as the dropoff from the starters to the 6th, 7th, or 8th guy is quite large.

And the secondary.   The ACC is absolutely loaded at defensive back, but FSU's corners stack up well against the league. We would only take the corners from Miami, North Carolina (provided they aren't kicked off the team), Virginia, and perhaps Clemson over this group. FSU could have the top corner group in the league next season, however, as these young talents have a second year in the scheme and continue to progress. Safety is a different story. We are really hoping that FSU's safeties can be average this season. It is our guess that FSU will trade some play-making chances for safety, keeping the deep guy deeper in order to avoid the big play. We are not particularly confident in this group and would trade them for every other ACC safety tandem with the exception of NC State, Wake, Duke, Virginia, and Georgia Tech. This group is very much wait and see.  Patience will be required as FSU changes over to its new scheme.

 

How Did We Do With Our Prediction?

Florida State finished as the 37th best BCS conference defense. That was within our (admittedly wide) projected range of 24/66 to 42/66. We were accurate with almost all of the teams whom we projected FSU to finish above or behind in the rankings.

Overall, FSU finished with the 41st-best defense in the country, which was a huge improvement from 107th, and within our predicted range. I'd give Tomahawk Nation an A+ grade for this effort.

Yet for all of its improvement, FSU's defense was only 8th best in the ACC! There is a ton of defensive talent in this league.

Where Will FSU's Defense Finish This Season?

thanks to a huge upgrade in depth on the defensive line and another year in the very new scheme for the back seven, expectations run rampant for this defense in Tallahassee.

In some ways, this is prediction is easier to make this season. In other, however, it's more difficult. I'll stick with the same general format we used last year.

First, let's look at the BCS teams ahead of which FSU's defense ranked:

20092010
  Michigan State
  Syracuse
  Georgia
  Connecticut
  Louisville
  USC
  Oregon State
  UCLA
  Vanderbilt
  Tennessee
  Ole Miss
  Rutgers
  Texas Tech
  Washington
  Colorado
  Georgia Tech
  Kentucky
  Iowa State
  Duke
  Cincinnati
  Wake Forest
  Kansas
NC State Northwestern
Louisville Kansas State
Duke Virginia
Stanford Minnesota
Kansas State Baylor
Indiana Indiana
Iowa State Washington State
Washington State Michigan

That's quite an improvement! 

Now, here are the defenses of which I am confident FSU will pass and a brief comment on each:

Purdue loses Ryan Kerrigan and some other key players. Arizona and Arizona State did as well. Wisconsin lost J.J. Watt. He was their best defensive player in a long time. Pitt lost its head coach, defensive staff, and a few NFL draft choices on defense. Auburn lost almost everyone, including Nick Fairley. Illinois lost its dominant guy in the middle, and though their defense is well coached, it would be a shock to see them finish ahead of FSU here. Cal loses Mike Mohamed and Cameron Jordan. USF lost McClain in the middle and they aren't exactly ready to replace him (watch out for them in 2012, however). Oklahoma State's defense was barely better than FSU last year and they lost quite a bit. Iowa too, belongs here after losing six or seven starters (depending on the source). Maryland has major questions at end, linebacker, and corner, a downgrade at defensive coordinator, and a 15% practice time penalty.

To recap, I think you can absolutely expect FSU to be better defensively than these 91 teams:

Illinois
Maryland
Iowa
South Florida
Auburn
Oklahoma State
Central Florida
Arizona State
California
Pittsburgh
Wisconsin
Purdue
Arizona
Michigan State
Syracuse
Connecticut
Louisville
USC
Oregon State
Kent State
SMU
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Air Force
Marshall
Tennessee
Buffalo
Southern Miss
Ole Miss
Rutgers
Texas Tech
Florida International
Fresno State
Northern Illinois
San Diego State
UL-Monroe
Hawaii
Washington
Nevada
Western Michigan
Miami (Ohio)
Temple
Middle Tennessee
Navy
Toledo
Colorado
Tulsa
Georgia Tech
Kentucky
Iowa State
Central Michigan
Florida Atlantic
Arkansas State
Army
Troy
Duke
UAB
Louisiana Tech
Cincinnati
UL-Lafayette
North Texas
Idaho
Utah State
Wake Forest
Bowling Green
Tulane
Kansas
Kansas State
Northwestern
Virginia
Western Kentucky
Minnesota
Ohio
Akron
Baylor
Houston
San Jose State
Indiana
Wyoming
Memphis
New Mexico
Ball State
Washington State
Colorado State
Rice
Michigan
UNLV
New Mexico State
East Carolina
UTEP
Eastern Michigan

Meaning that we are projecting FSU's defense to be no worse than 28th in the country. That's in the top 25% of all college defenses, and certainly a very good showing.

With another expected quality offense, FSU should  find itself in the top 25 in both offense and defense for the first time in a long, long while (2003ish). Only a few teams accomplished that last season, and they are: Boise State, Stanford, Oklahoma, Oregon, Ohio State, TCU, LSU, Virginia Tech, South Carolina and Alabama. That's seven conference championships, a bunch of BCS bowls, and an average season of 12-2.

Here's where the really tough part comes in.

Last year I identified 25 defenses that I thought would definitely be better than FSU. I was right on 20 of the 25. This year? I can only find one: Bama (returns 10 of 11 starters from top-10 unit last season). And that's a really, really good thing for 'Nole fans.

Aside from Alabama, I cannot name with certainty any other defenses which will definitely be better than Florida State's. Now, I am not saying that FSU will have the second best defense in the country. But it does say a lot about the improvement made when you can only name one defense that will for sure be better than the 'Noles unit.

Last year we said 37th. This year, the range will be 28th to 2nd, somewhere in the mix with these teams: Arkansas, Boise State, Boston College, BYU, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Mississippi State, Missouri, N.C. State, Nebraska, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn State, South Carolina, Stanford, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M, Utah, Virginia Tech and West Virginia.

Official TN Predictionfor the FSU defense: 9th 

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Ugh....

Hard to look at those old 09 stats.

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Watching the games was worse.

I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to go to therapy to forget....

My high school team could have ran on them.

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could have run on them

Need the past participle of run there, which is run.

Grammar police.

by csfuu on Aug 30, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to send him my resume!

Sheriff Branford: The fact that you are a sheriff is not germane to the situation.
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by GonzoNole on Aug 30, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

2009 Stats.

It was two pitchforks planted at the 20 with hay on them. It didn’t work. God I’m glad for those days to be behind us. I mean who scores 45 points in a LOSS anymore?

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud, you use 88th for our defensive rank in 2009

But I see 107th per FO’s F/+. Are you using FEI or S&P?

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

combined

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had 88th in the F/+ for their annual last year. I wonder if Bill will clarify…


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, I remember that too,

changed to 107 now. Strange.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, kinda what I was thinking.

Bill, “On second thought, outside of 100 sounds better.”

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Korey Mangum

Got a hold of the Quantum Leap machine and ended up in 2009 Patrick Robinson.

"The other day I... uh, no, that wasn't me." - Steven Wright

by O-Town Nole on Aug 30, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Simple explanation:

We made some adjustments to make sure the standard deviations were matching up correctly. Few were impacted as much as FSU, many weren’t impacted at all. I guess FSU had the perfect FEI/S&P+ combination…

by Bill C. on Aug 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the heads up though

Do you expect similar modifications to the 2010 data?

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it should be the 107 and not the 88?


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what that means Rico?

You will have to redo your piece on how much Stoops improved FSU football. Probably puts FSU near the top team in improvement for first year DC. 107 to 41. How bout them apples?

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

A corollary question to this

What was the average (and SD) of movement of places for any given team? 66 spots is incredible

by paperjames on Aug 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read the Seminole Preview

They’re updated there.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did read it, thinking back now, and thought uh oh,

wonder if that is a mistake. Instead I should have you know, gone back and look to see if the numbers have been changed. Glad it was done so that the mag has the most up to date numbers.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh my bad, excellent

my good man.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good to have you back, Bud

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Clemson?

How can clemson be in mix to be better defensively than us with all of the depth questions on their spine?

Champ here! I'm all about havin' fun. You know, get a couple cocktails in me, start a fire in someone's kitchen. Maybe go to SeaWorld, take my pants off.

by SemiErectNoles on Aug 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

*dline

Champ here! I'm all about havin' fun. You know, get a couple cocktails in me, start a fire in someone's kitchen. Maybe go to SeaWorld, take my pants off.

by SemiErectNoles on Aug 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No, no...

spine works better, especially given your user name.

by devnole on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can have questions on your spine

 ask long as you have elite ankles.

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by Chief03 on Aug 30, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still have a ton of talent and very good coaching. Depth matters, but moreso if you have injuries. Would not shock me in the slightest if Clemson had the better defense. I wouldn’t expect it, but I certainly cannot say “no way will Clemson have the better defense.” People really tend to discoutn FSU’s opponents.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

I just recall that dline depth was one of the major reasons/excuses for our defensive struggles late in the season.

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by SemiErectNoles on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It really showed when McDaniel McCloud Dawkins and McAllister all suffered injuries.

I look at depth not as a reason why someone will be good, but as something to reinforce my notion that they will be. Helps with certainty.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

People really tend to discount FSU’s opponents.

That’s because we are used to seeing these defenses play against our offense.

by NoleLaw on Aug 30, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're still well coached

Plus, I prefer to think of it in a range.
If we’re in the top 15 we’ll be fine. The difference between defenses is often very minimal expect at the extremes.

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as Steele is there

I will never take Clemson’s D lightly.

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by CornNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

hahahah

That was pretty good.

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by Nattylite on Aug 30, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sticking with top-15

If better than average “luck”, top-10.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed for this year,

next year however i think will be dominant (top 5 – 7 depending on injuries and such)

by Noles 2012 on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want a top 3 defense in 2012

Seems like that is where the real difference is. Teams 1-3 generally about the same. Teams 4-8 about the same. Teams 9-15 about the same

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonna have to see what other teams have

before narrowing it down that much. I’d say top-10 without even looking, though.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give you that

which is why I generally don’t prefer using rankings as the only way to measure performance. Have to look at the actual numbers sometime. (Which thankfully F/+ allows us to do)

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. Confusing for many, though.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

I wonder if Bill would clarify if there is much reliability to comparing between years.
For example, in 2009 7 defenses had D-F/+ greater than 19%. Not one team broke that mark in 2010.

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

TOP 10

Reason, we only face one truly top QB.

by rspknole1 on Aug 30, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

These rankings adjust for opponent, so that does not matter


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still some unknowns on D this season.

-Will Joyner be as good as advertised as a 1st year starter in a position he hasn’t played since high school? Safety play was far and away the weakest point for me last year.
-Has Reid improved his technique and tackling?
-With Jenkins double teamed all year will Werner be able to apply ample pressure in his 1st year as the starter? Meaning has he improved as much as advertised?
-Linebacker play, will all that talent be realized?
If these all show up this is gonna be really fun to watch.

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 30, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Joyner is a stud at safety


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Priceless

I know it hurts that he is out but I definitely LOL’d

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by BS37FSU on Aug 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And for me, JMO,

he’s the final piece of this year’s puzzle that makes the difference between top-25 and top-15.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is the most important player on defense. Not the best, but the most important. By far.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

word to yer moms.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crazy to think a TRUE SOHPOMORE

Is the most important guy on our defense. But I agree, he is the one player we can’t afford to lose.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

So then is it the best idea

to have our most important player on D returning kickoffs?

by BhamSeminole on Aug 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn you guys picking my upcoming articles


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've created a location

for a collection of educated and questioning smart fans to ponder things. Sorry Bud.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Welllll....

At least we’re reading them while taking the first sips…

by David Rohe on Sep 1, 2011 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with the sentiment that Joyner is extremely important to our D

with Parks and Moody both at FS now, and Joyner returning kickoffs, do you think that means Stoops trusts Brooks as Joyner’s backup?

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greene needs to be a primary Kickoff Return man.

-Speed. He has it.
-Experience. He won’t get many snaps at WR, need to get him involved for future development.
-Importance. LJ doesn’t need to be risking his knees/shoulders/ankles for the field position that he himself can help create at SS (deep safety).

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see what you did

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by jskipnole on Aug 30, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saw reports of Karlos working some at KR

Anyone have any idea of where he falls on the depth chart at KR.
I personally would rather see Karlos than LJ or Greene.

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

this^=money

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by hardcorenole on Aug 30, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont see it

Greene and Reid for sure… Can’t risk LJ in that role albeit he would be really good at it

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't view Greg Reid as very valuable on KO return team, either returning OR blocking.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

His vision is incredible

he won’t take one back (no speed), but he can get us 30-40 yard returns at least once a game, and has shown up in big games (even OU last year). Plus he is a staple of FSU’s special teams and a huge boost to the crowd.

I wouldn’t trade anyone for G5 on special teams.

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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

freshrec.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm trying to agree

But I think he’ll be back there plenty for punts this year, given that we’ll be getting more stops and allowing fewer scores. I still say the negatives he brings on KOs make replacing him with someone more consistent more appealing. Not to mention the injury concerns (ala Joyner, although I admit it’s not nearly as big of a deal)

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Punt return, yes. Absolutely. Kickoff return, no....unless it's a broken-field return a la a PR.

He also offers next to nothing as a blocker when he doesn’t get the ball. He offers a 30-40 yard return a couple times/year….not per game. FSU needs consistent returns, and saving him the wear & tear isn’t a bad thing. Getting younger guys involved on returns isn’t a bad thing either.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree on this.

Think fresh’s assessment is dead on. Might eventually get run down, but typically not before he’s chewed up a lot of field.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Bud's KOR article will address this. His skillset is made for open/broken-field running.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you ever have seen Reid footage as a HS RB… He’s scary good in the open field once he gets the ball in his hands — especially in big games

by FSU on Aug 30, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. I’m agreeing with you.

by FSU on Aug 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is one skill set I have no problem forming my own opinion.

I’ll cede to others like yourself on lineman play… and have yet to do a film or statistical review on G5 (noting where he is getting the ball vs. gross average returns)…. but from my casual observations his skillset still works quite well on kickoffs.

The fact that he can accelerate as well as anyone, coupled with being a non-carbon-based life form (my guess is he’s composed of uranium, as he simply cannot be brought down down with anything but a full wrap + tackle — it defies truly physics) makes him pretty dangerous back there.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that he is a dangerous returner, regardless of how the ball got in his hands...

…I just don’t see him as nearly as dangerous on KO Returns as some do on here. I want to see the film/statistical analysis.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree. I would like to see the net result before definitively weighing in on whether we need to save him for CB + PR.

But it seems like he’s put us at midfield on multiple important occasions on KOs (as well as the indisputable contributions as PR extraordinaire).

I might be confusing instances, though, so hopefully someone comes through for us with the facts.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too! My evidence is anecdotal right now, but his KOR stuck out to me, UNC aside.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Idk

Reid is kind of hit and miss on kickoffs, its been more than a few times, where I saw him had a big return that should have been a td, ill see if I can find them on youtube

by az5950 on Aug 30, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who would you choose on our roster...

Seemed like every time we “needed” a big return…we got it.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no doubt

I would def take Reid, on Punt Returns though, just because of his vision in traffic

by az5950 on Aug 30, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

well PR is a broken play to begin with

so thats where his acceleration and change of direction make him elite.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greg Reid

I feel has the vision to maneuver through traffic, but doesn’t have the top end speed to break it
http://youtu.be/slJbso- <— 40 sec mark if he cuts outside its a td

by az5950 on Aug 30, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said score a TD

cause he does lack top end speed. But if we need 30-40 yards and electric return.. He still gets it done on KR

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ima be honest

Yes he should have cut that one outside.. But #12 for CU was gonna catch him and he isn’t really looking behind him when he makes those cuts so I can’t really blame him for that.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

  • assumes staffer correctly wrote down what Jimbo or Odell told him


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

I thought and he confirmed via twitter he was going to 3-tech

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

So it is "safe"

to assume it was a staff error and that the depth chart is currently erroneous

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not entirely. Could have moved in last week. I have not asked.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which...If i can recall

was his natural position out of high school no?

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

He has a good bit of speed for a dude that big and would be nasty as a 3-tech…DRusso has an diatribe somewhere explaining why.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have several. Perhaps I should just write a fanpost about it for easy reference...

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I concur.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

More importantly

how much more effective by NOT playing 70% of the snaps and NOT having to play hurt…even a little hurt.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

EVERYBODY is "a little hurt".

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real question is

if he is a the 3-tech, Dawkins still starts right? I think as far as our DTs, Dawkins is the only one with real stud potential with any experience. Timmy Man-Child Jernigan will be that guy in the future.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

moreso what is the pairing? Dawkins and McCloud, Jaccobi and Cam Irving? How do that work out? Is it running pairs and passing pairs?

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

but for passing down….do you slide in some different parts… on 3rd and 1 at the goal line…who ya got?

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll go with the Dooley special

McCloud, Dawkins, Erving, Jernigan, Werner, Jenkins, Bradham, Vince, Telvin, Jones, Joyner, Rhodes, Reid, and Moody

Works every time.

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

3500+ lbs

I like it

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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 30, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the McCloud/McDaniel “heavy” combo for short yardage last year. (Maybe McCloud/Erving this year)
McDaniel/Dawkins seemed to be the best passing down combo. (Maybe Erving/Dawkins this year)

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hope that kind of situational cross training is in play.

Would be nice to add extra beef on short yardage plays.

The saddest aspect of adding all this new girth is that we’ll never get to see it tested out on Tebow. Alas…

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dawkins is the best pass-rushing DT returning (by far), but Jernigan might be close to that level already.

Jaccobbi is 2nd. Amp McCloud is not a pass-rusher at all, but he is a ROCK vs the run and will only be better in that respect.

I don’t yet trust Erving in competitive games….he needs another year+.

McCallister showed pass rush ability in flashes last year (I like his lateral quickness upfield). Cummings is unknown.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Jernigan is as good as advertised

Does he basically own that spot on passing downs? I’d love to have him rotate in on 3rd down and use those fresh legs to cause havoc. Have the other guys pick up the rush downs.

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, Dawkins/McDaniel do. But he will get his opportunities.

Too good not to…

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Erving was unblockable in the spring game!

I kid, I kid. But seriously, he was.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could have gotten 2.5 sacks against some of those walkon OG's

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know.

Seriously though…

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dodgeball and Anchorman references surfacing.

Football is here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

nobody makes me bleed my own blood

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Aug 30, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Jack in the Box product line.
600 pound combo with interchangable parts.

Dogs bark in the night but the caravan moves on.

by fmnole on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Loved the reference, except...

No JitB’s in Tallahassee. Or Florida. Or Georgia. Or Mississippi….just saying.

by David Rohe on Sep 1, 2011 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big issue is that he might be the even the 2nd best 3-tech we have right now

He has experience at the 1 from last year, so he very well have moved back to get some more playing time.

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by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

there is no way they stay just top 40, IMO


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both are VASTLY improved.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werner is an absolute BEAST in his own right. He HAS improved as much as advertised, and he was solid as a true-frosh.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

in a few years

hopefully Elliot will see some credit for our ends. He’s got to be dying with talent like Jenkins/Werner/Carradine/Newberry and then our class coming in….

by StM on Aug 30, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The incoming talent borders on the insane....add Robert Nk _ _ _ _ _che and my head might explode.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't put ANYTHING past this staff except DGB.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome!

Maybe Steward will be a non-qual and we can get another bite at that apple, too.

by GoNoles2011 on Aug 30, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to keep the clown on lockdown?

I see how it is…

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by Dogrel on Aug 31, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ahh depth...

What a wonderful thing…Now about that O line….

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Is Stoops that good of a coach....

to have this defense improve this much, to where the “dominating” tag can be applied?

by Class of '71 on Aug 30, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Off the top of my head

I’d put him in the top-10 DCs. And he has more talent than just about all the other top-10 guys.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Stoops

ever had this much talent to work with at any other school he’s coached at?

by ed64nole on Aug 30, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO

And its not even close.

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not even close.

Arizona got USC/UCLA/Oregon scraps and he consitently had top-30 units.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The DB talent he put together at UM was siiiiiiiick....

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't specify DC... #LoopHole

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did and he replied to me.

loophole closed, Nazi IRS style.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where?

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starting at the "loophole closed" post

hit the “up” button 5 times.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see no reason why not


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He impressed Jimbo enough that Fisher did not hire his good friend Greg Hudson to be the DC, as I think he had planned to do.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably an absurd question

because the fact that Jimbo brought him along should be evidence enough….but are we happy about the possibility of Hudson because our future DC?

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by SteadfastNole on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would say so.

His Ds at ECU were pretty solid, if I remember correctly.

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by Drew J Jones on Aug 30, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its another example of the dominance of FSU's program

We have a HC so good hes expected to be head coaching somewhere else in another year or so and the guy that will take over is already on the team and is someone you would love to land on the free market if we needed to look for a new one.

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by caine115 on Aug 30, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

a DC that is

A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
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by caine115 on Aug 30, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

ABSO-F*CKIN-LUTELY

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He has impressed so much so

that hes on the 2012 head coach to be Herbie award list. Cripes.

by buckeyeNOLE on Aug 30, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

How different are Stoops/Hudson defenses?

Knowing Stoops may not be here much longer, I’m curious to hear what kind of transition we’re looking at.

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by Drew J Jones on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm enjoying the ginger ride while it lasts

(TWSS)

I’m sure when the time comes there’ll be plenty of room for 1,000+ comment posts on the new guy.

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very similar, but Hudson defenses at ECU created turnovers at an astounding rate & multiplied their talent to a level that would make VaTech jealous.

Not that Stoops Defenses don’t…..but remember that he is in year 2 of a total reclamation project. Imagine he is in day 2/3 of an “Overhaulin” week.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If guys like Smart & Steele are 1a coaches......Stoops falls into the 1b category.

He is a GREAT coach. Wait until 2012 to see the FULL fruits of his labors….

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Los?

I haven’t heard much about Karlos Williams coming out of camp. I know safety is a hard position to learn on the college level as a true freshman. Will he see meaningful playing time this year?

by dwhitman32 on Aug 30, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

2nd string

FS.. Behind the Moody OR Parks group. Bet you see a lot of Los as a gunner on Punts.

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meaningful, as in decent amount? Yes.
Meaningful, as in important games/situations? Probably not.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

JMO

he’ll get very little PT on defense early in the year. Personally, I’d like to see Parks and Moody turn up the position battle the first two weeks.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimbo does have a history

of letting young guys play just enough in meaningless games to get thouroughly embarrassed and recognize the importance of completely buying into the system.

2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent

by SoCalNole on Aug 31, 2011 8:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He is very raw and did not play the pass at all in HS because his team was awful and opponents only needed to run against them. I commented on this awhile back, if someone has the link. It inspired quite the argument.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you still like him better at WR?

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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

NOOOOO!

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, because I don’t love his reacting. I think he is betetr if he already knows where is he going.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't agree.

And I don’t care that you know better and may even be proven right. HA! The kid’s a (insert word similar to freakish) athlete that has plenty of time to learn. He’ll be more valuable on defense in two years than he would be at receiver.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I wasn’t talking about his value to us. FSU clearly has more young receiver talent than safety talent.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha. Thought for sure I had a

Bud ::bitchslap:: coming my way.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's got the nastiest slap?

Bud? MattD? DKfromVA?

I’d say MattD, in isolation… but then you have to consider that Bud gets a follow-up onslaught from his barbarian hoard of followers (I hear they’re approaching 6k+) and then you’re in a world of hurt.

As it relates to diamond talk, though, DK is singular.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tomahawk Nation got me craaaaazy!

I just pre-ordered my SI 2012 FSU Championship Package.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 30, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look up.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well done Fresh

gonna be temporary, but I just made this my Facebook profile pic

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by Rudy Stivers on Aug 30, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avis Commack

Will AC see much playing time this year? Think we could see him against OU’s physical wideouts?

by Geoff33rpm on Aug 30, 2011 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

2nd-team CB's will see snaps. Just depends how much.

Don’t expect much out of AC vs OU this year though.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

EJ mentioned in an interview recently that the offense had been running some no-huddle in practice

Is this purely 2 minute drill stuff, or does anyone expect Jimbo to try and up the tempo this year, especially with our depth on defense now?

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by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The bevvy of 10 180 DBs from UF will have a harder time swallowing

our mammoth QB’s knees between their teeth if they’re winded. I say HUNH ’em into the ground.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stupid carets.

was supposed to say “the bevvy of < 5’10 180 lb DBs” but got HTML’d.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting to analyze the effect of our front 7 this year vs. '09 & '10 on

1. Frequency of 3rd Down and Long situations
2. Frequency of Nickel Coverage because of this
3. Change in Time of Possession Ratio

If the front 7 is as good as advertised (and it looks good in photos and paper), then we should expect opponent rushing ypp to drop, and offer more 2nd and 3rd and long situations. I’d expect to see Harris, Reid and Rhodes on the field alot. And, having Joyner playing CF gives us 4 guys who can cover.

Looks impressive on paper.

by coonhound on Aug 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

2012


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to think that our O will be solid practicing against the #1 defense year round. And I think they’ll have to be if its inferred that UF, USF and WVU will have solid defenses. Any insight as to USF moving to 2014? Please say yes….

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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 30, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too many unknowns to project that far.

I’m hesitant to be that exact even out to 2012. Top-10 is safe bet for 2012.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you're wrong, it's not like anyone's going to dig up your prediction and hang you on it.

On the other hand, if you’re right, you will be able to claim unrivaled prognosticational skillz, readily citing evidence in this very thread.

Go ahead… Do it… C’mon…

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re wrong, it’s not like anyone’s going to dig up your prediction and hang you on it.

Perhaps you’ve not met Dogrel and tricknole?

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It may indeed end up in tricknole's sig...

But he only posts after 2am. The masses won’t read it and will disregard his wild late night conspiracy theories in favor of their hero and visionary, DKN.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

but but but sacks…


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

that had to be the worst (unintentional) attempt to lie with stats ever.

D doesn’t look as bad as I thought

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd downs were a problem in certain games

especially the ACC championship

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by fsu44 on Aug 30, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I have tried to show previously

in a nutshell….is last year’s defense was pretty good when only focusing on one dimension. They were one of the better ACC 3rd and long teams and the WORST BY FAR on 3rd and medium/short. To connect the dots a little further, they were middle of the pack on 1st and 2nd. i.e. they couldn’t consistently force teams into passing downs.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmmhmm a product of “bend don’t break” philosophy & lack o’ depth… 3rd & shorts become iffy downs

by FSU on Aug 30, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually I think the biggest problem was giving up 3rd & longs

b/c our 2010 D was very good on 1st and 2nd downs, and forcing Ds into 3rd and long.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm looking at conference play only.

I was mistaken about 1st down. FSU was near the top. Middle of the pack on 2nd. 11th in 3rd SD conversion rate and 4th in 3rd and long.

ACC Defenses 2010.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't let Tyrod Taylor's best performance ever

fool you into thinking FSU was never good at stopping 3rd and long.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

and TJ Yates best performance of his career

and (probably) Landry Jones’ best 1st half of his career.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and RW


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many QB's have to have "the night of their life"

before it becomes indicative of the D’s failings? I ask as a Texans fan. Houston should have gotten a commission on at least 5 QB’s contracts.

I chalk it up to a new system: when things went wrong they started thinking too much and got burned by good offenses.

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn't do their damage

on 3rd and long, though.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

We "held" OU to 60% on 3rd and long.

100% on 3rd and standard.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not talking about UNC are you?

I recall about 83 3rd and 20s being converted on bombs.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

UNC was 4/13 on 3rd down

3/4 on standard.
1/9 on NSD.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY!

8.4 ypp, 51% SR on 1st downs
7.6 ypp, 50% SR on 2nd downs

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shows how time can color the memory..

I just seemed to remember them coming up with huge play after huge play when it seemed we actually had them in a favorable situation. But I trust your stats.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

they had a better 2nd half

we only scored 1 TD in the 2nd half; they got 16 points. 1st game in November and our D was starting to get gassed, esp. in the 2nd half.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see that more being VT

I remember them killing us on 3rd down all night.

F’n Tyrod.

by jimmygnole on Aug 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I trust your stats.

I think you’re the only one. haha.

Not fit to be a king.....or a butterfly.

by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 30, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats '09 D numbers thur

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long downs against this defense will be bad


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He means 3rd and 10+ vs. FSU =

50% chance of season ending QB injury.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or G5 removing the RB

Or Moody taking out a TE

by NoleLaw on Aug 30, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we'll see a fair amount of draws against us on 3rd and long this year

If I’m an offensive coordinator with 3rd and 10+ against FSU this year, I’m running a draw. Keeps quarterback healthy, prevents interceptions, and prevents fumbles on sacks. I think I’d be happier punting it away and trying again on the next series to stay in standard downs.

Formerly known as 'stilts'

by BenDNole on Aug 30, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frodo? Is that Youuuuuuuuuu??

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Limiting the 15-20 Yard Pass.

…specifically against OU. Will FSU go with a 3-4-4 against Landry? Seems with Murray gone the real threat will be in the middle of the field, with Reid, Rhodes/Harris, and Joyner all spying the deep pass.

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way does FSU remove dlinemen from the field. if anything take bradham and williams off


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take Bradham and Williams off...

and and go 5-1-5..
Tank-Werner-McDaniel-Dawkins-Jenkins
                          Jones
XR27-Parks-Joynes-Harris-Reid

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not. We discussed this in another thread.

We don’t have tons of LBs and particularly are shallow with LB experience. We do have a lot of depth on the line. The only way it looks like a 3-4-4 at all is we are dropping DEs into coverage to cut down on the short passing game.

by NoleLaw on Aug 30, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

Bud, your link only shows D 3rd conversion rate against ACC opponents. I was trying to show the same data against all opponents.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2010/leader/821/team/defense/split01/category25/sort01.html

We were 9th in the conference (against all opponents). That needs to improve.

Possible FanShot: data showing how 2nd year Ds did on 3rd down compared to 1st year Ds.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Why would you use all opponents when that is an inconsistent slate? Why not use the most similar set of opponents?


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see why you'd want to drop Samford

but I see no reason for dropping anyone else: OU & UF are fellow AQ conference opponents, and BYU was no worse than a Wake

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the comparisons aren’t fair when comparing us against other ACC team’s efforts because those teams did not play our non-con schedule.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair point

our OOC schedule was more difficult… I feel a little better

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Similar Opponents.

Bud – I think as the season progresses, you and I are going to get along marvelously. I’m the computer poll guy, and I too – don’t understand when requests are made for apples vs. oranges. :)

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the "FBS Winning" filter, myself

That also shows we were near the bottom at getting off the field on 3rd downs, so your signal holds.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our 2009 D-Roster.

2009 (2011)
LDE: Kevin McNeil (Brandon Jenkins)
DT: Justin Mincey (Everett Dawkins, Cam Erving)
NT: Kendrick Stewart (Anthony McCloud, Jaccobi McDaniel, Timmy Jernigan)
RDE: Markus White (Bjoern Werner, Tank Carradine)

SLB: Nigel Carr (Vince Williams, Telvin Smith)
MLB: Kendall Smith (Christian Jones, Nigel Terrell)
WLB: Nigel Bradham (Nigel Bradham, Jeff Luc)

FCB: Ochuko Jenije (Greg Reid, Avis Commack)
FS: Jamie Robinson (Lamarcus Joyner, Terrence Brooks)
ROV: Korey Mangum (Terrance Parks, Nick Moody)
BCB: Patrick Robinson (Mike Harris, Xavier Rhodes)

So with the exception perhaps of Nigel Carr/Vince Williams – it would seem to my naked eye that FSU upgraded themselves at nearly every position. I admit P-Rob was a naturally gifted athlete, but even he got burned occasionally, and I chalk it up to Andrews using an old man-coverage scheme, and no conditioning or training on technique for these fundamental flaws. I just look all over the field and see depth and playmakers everywhere. These guys will be flying around in year two under Stoops.

My only concern is – which NCAA team will be asking for his services as a Head Coach come January?

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

P-Rob.

I’ll never forget how he caught up to Devine on that toss run in the Gator Bowl.

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll never forget Bill Stewart inexplicably abandoning Devine and the run and letting us beat them. It was like he had to prove he was an even worse coach than latter day Bowden.

by 38Noles on Aug 30, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll never forget Ga Tech's triple option gashing us

Thinking “come-on Mickey, you could scheme a D to stop Tommy Frazier and Lawrence Phillips in the triple-option but our D cannot even lay a hand on these clowns?” And then my mind would relapse into a surly, drunken comatose state.

by GoNoles2011 on Aug 30, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was at that game,

on the second row, right behind the defensive staff. Mickey was just standing off to the side watching Fancy Shoes try to tell the kids what they were doing wrong. Nightmare.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freaking

Nesbitt winning that game with that strip and fumble recovery

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

stop it.

NIGHTMARE

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

I was there the whole 2009 season….Nightmares galore.. USF, Ga Tech, UM, Jax St…. I mean UMD came down to the last minute when EJ just said fine I’ma run it and were gonna win

by fsugrizz on Aug 30, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. EJ went into Vince Young mode on that last drive to preserve the bowl streak.

by 38Noles on Aug 30, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carr didnt start for FSU much iirc


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dekoda


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

D-Watt.

This…is no lie. I should have known this. The man lives in my condo complex on the first floor. lol. I….feel….stupid. If anyone wants to swing by and grab an autograph, he’s the coolest guy to meet. Really laid back.

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's he up to these days?

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great to hear that

I am so out of the loop on the NFL.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 FSU OLB's in 4 seasons for the Bucs.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watching the Fins/Buc's game the other night,

I had to chuckle a little to myself how Geno Hayes is starting and Teblow is taking splinters out of his ass.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 30, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You see what they are doing when the broncos are coming into town

I quit man, I cant follow such a crappily run team anymore.

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Aug 30, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

What an embarrassing front office, one of the worst in the NFL.

However, I find it ironic than another person named Dee is sticking it to the Canes. We’ve talked about trying to organize a boycott between now and then and getting to the game late. But then someone brought up the idea that by doing that, the Turds will be able to have their day. Now we are rethinking it and thinking about being there to boo and try to be disruptive. We also talked about trying to start a chant for Brady Quinn during the festivities (like BRADY QUINN, BRADY QUINN, BRADY QUINN). As a Nole I think it’s funny how it has the scUMer’s up in arms, but as a Nole I don’t want anything Turd related happening while I’m in attendance at a Phin’s game which is also honoring the QB (albeit 3rd string) for the opposing team.

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 31, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its sad, but I really dont care anymore

as long as Ross and the Hollywood whores are running the team, Im done.

"However, I say, let UM burn." -onebarrelrum

by Miaminole on Sep 1, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

2nd-string OLB for the Bucs pushing Quincy Black to start.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mixing it up.

He’s done well this pre-season. Morris will use him a lot.

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

YRC

Bud, I think you’re right on that one. I’m not very good at keeping tabs on linebackers. Did they play Mister Alexander at the Sam?

by fsutampaguy on Aug 30, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow has the tone on this site changed.

 I have been reading this site for a while, way before I officially joined in Feb 2010. I can tell you things have changed. I used to tell my friends about it and they would always say how much of a downer this site was. I used to tell them that TN just tells it like it is, and then back it up with a rIdiculous amount of stats.

Now if someone joined they would think TN is made up of a bunch of FSU homers. Talk of #1 defenses, owning the state, ACC and eventually NC’s. What a change.

I just hope the optimism we feel for this team really shows up on the field. But what makes me truly believe that it will, is this site. Because I trust that the hope is based on facts, unbiased knowledge and stats, not just enthusiasm.

by jimmygnole on Aug 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I can be quite the pessimist

But even I can sense this year’s team is going to be very good.

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 30, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

A small part of me worries that we are giving too much credit to our depth and omewhat ignoring that there is nobody dominant on the inside.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll definitely miss Thacker in there

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Aug 30, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know what your saying. But waves of fresh bodies as long as they average or above…I’ll take in the long haul

by FSU on Aug 30, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This season honestly petrifies me

Because its the first year that I do honestly believe we are back. As in BCS game back. And should have a great season. But it also scares the living hell out of me that their is in fact a real chance of starting this season 2-2 and suddenly we have pressure just to keep up with last year. A loss at UF is not out of the question and UM if they have all their players when they play us wont be a 4 TD game again.

Just like you need every bounce to go your way for an undefeated season if the opposite happens we can have a 3+ loss season and pray we win the ACCCG. A disappointing season scares me tons. I really wish it was the 2012 season already. that is the year I truly believe without a doubt we will be back and a 3 loss regular season isnt even a possibility to me.

All that said I see us at 10-2 regular season. I have more fear because of legit expectations this year

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by caine115 on Aug 30, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need to be scared

Enjoy the ride. Remember how horrible it was to watch this team just 2 years ago?

Instead of waiting for the next loss, spitefully watching our rivals succeed at our expense, hoping for a 2 second mention on Sportscenter, and praying Maryland loses so we have a shot to lose the ACCCG, we now get to enjoy the ups and downs of top-25 college football. Chop and be merry my friend.

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 31, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can we think of any recent, dominant defenses that did not have dominant DTs?

UF might fit the profile…

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?abbr=F&collegeName=Florida&abbrFlag=0&type=school

Seems like most of their elite talent was at DE, supplemented by quality, but not 1st round NFL talent inside…? Dunlap, Moss, Harvey all outside… the DTs look to consist of a bunch of 4th rounders… though some of that driven by character issues.

by arrdub on Aug 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thomas was very very talented but rarely on the field.


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by Bud Elliott on Aug 30, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Define "dominant".

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by DRusso97 on Aug 30, 2011 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

the DL rotation in ’13 with Jernigan, NLS, Hamilton, Stuckey, (possibly Goldman), Newberry, MEJ, Fowler, Casher >>>> ’11. Individually, only Jenkins compares with any of these guys.

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 30, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud kept it so real back then

His name was FSUncensored.

No holds barred.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Aug 30, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

"We will be undefeated heading into the Swamp."

-by the Eternal Optimist

>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 30, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is awesome!

If you are going to be at the OU/FSU game, I’d love to hand you a beer fsutampaguy.

Stuff like this is what it’s all about.

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Aug 30, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Handing me a beer. lol.

Natty, I’ll be at the OU game with my wife. Sadly, we do not have anyone to tailgate with or enjoy the games with, as it has been about 5 years since I have been to a game. Instead of buying me a beer – it’d be great just to have a beer with some Nole friends. Mike (NoleForever), I dropped your tickets in the mail this morning bud. Enjoy the game with your son. I hope it is a great memory for you both!

by fsutampaguy on Aug 31, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

DKN and fsutampa

We will be tailgating out on the intramural fields.

I’ll email you both about it. :)

p.s. Please note that I may be a bit intoxicated at the time of our meeting. Don’t hold that against me.

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by Nattylite on Aug 31, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tailgating.

Well I hope to see you there in the early going then Natty. I’m more than happy to bring some booze to help you retain your buzz. I just don’t want my wife’s first experience in a CFB game to be bad. I’d do anything for her to party like a rock star while we’re there. Sorry to everyone on here for taking this thread off-topic. Go NOLES!

by fsutampaguy on Aug 31, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will be half-way coherent

My wife will be there as well and she keeps me in line :)

'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman

by Nattylite on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

...and she's the D/D

since she’s pregnant :) lol

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by Nattylite on Aug 31, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Always have a designated decoy

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by caine115 on Aug 31, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for your generosity!

I haven’t told my son yet. I’m afraid he wouldn’t sleep.

by NoleForever on Aug 31, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

winner. you get them...

as long as you aren’t making it up…haha.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 30, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great. Thanks.

I do it when i get home. Leaving work.

by NoleForever on Aug 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biggest scheming problem last year

was the inability to stop the scrambling qbs. I still have nightmares from the NC State and VT games.

I wonder if the push to have Telvin play the Mike at his weight means they want to use him as a spy against run-dangerous qbs.

In nickel sets we may see a conservative rush with Bradham spying.

by gambelero3 on Aug 30, 2011 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

We will be improved vs. scrambling QBs this year

A. Our D-Line will come at offenses in waves and have fresh legs needed to maintain rush-lane discipline;

2. Like you mentioned, Telvin will be in there, but also adding Christian Jones’ athleticsm to the mix will allow fewer open spaces inside for QBs to exploit; and

D. Our D will make QBs pay the price physically when they scramble. Gone are the days when opposing QBs fall-forward for an extra two yards and then bounce up and sprint back to the huddle.

by GoNoles2011 on Aug 30, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Gone are the days when opposing QBs fall-forward for an extra two yards and then bounce up and sprint back to the huddle.”

If opposing QB’s bounce back up this year it will likely be from the impact of hitting the ground. There will be very little sprinting back to the huddle…it will likely be limping back to the huddle.

by PaceNole on Aug 31, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm concerned about how well the LBs will do, but few seem to mention it

Hoping HUD has coached them up. Concerned due to inexperience and also concerned about injuries because we aren’t very deep particularly if we have 1 or 2 guys injured.

by NoleLaw on Aug 31, 2011 1:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I think my lack of concern is a result of KS and MA not having been long-time vets in this system. I am comfortable with the depth right now, particularly given the ability to go Nickel or use Moody more if there is a need.


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