Noles News 08.04.11
In case you live under a rock, yes, Florida State did indeed receive a commitment from the nation's top prep QB, Jameis Winston, out of Alabama, as we predicted. If you encounter Bama fans who tell you that FSU always wastes its 5* players, simply say "Mike Shula," "strip clubs on a company credit card," or "Mike Dubose." Coaching matters. What happened during the lost decade =/= what is happening now. 10 of FSU's 14 non-kicker recruits are in the ESPNU150. FSU is the only team to have more than 50% of its non-kickers (kickers not eligible for ESPNU150 IIRC) be from the 150.
You're doing it wrong. Miami signed a 3* corner out of South Fort Myers in Nate Dortch. Decent player who had committed to UNC before Butch Davis was fired. Seriously though, wouldn't you want to wait to announce the commitment and not do it on the day in which your chief rival lands one of the best players in the country? Oh, and they also just took a commitment for the last class (2011) from a kid to whom Illinois put on delayed enrollment (not good enough to enter Illinois immediately).
On the other hand, UF did sign a 4* linebacker in Antonio Morrison. Good player. I've said it before, but will say it again in case you are new: UF is hanging with FSU in recruiting (close) and Miami is recruiting like a small private ACC school should.
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Below is a small handful of projection and change factors most pertinent to the Football Outsiders' preseason projections you will find in the Football Outsiders Almanac 2011.
Four-Year F/+ Rk 15 Five-Year Recruiting Rk 15 TO Margin/Adj. TO Margin**** -3 / -1.0 Approx. Ret. Starters (Off. / Def.) 15 (8, 7) Yds/Pt Margin***** -3.1 It almost goes without saying at this point, but this should be a pretty good football team. They have an emerging star at running back (Andre Ellington) with a blue-chipper backing him up. They have one of the most experienced offensive lines in college football. They have a pair of potentially big-time defensive tackles lining up in front of one of the more underrated sets of linebackers in college football. They have a star at cornerback, a good defensive coordinator and an up-and-coming offensive coordinator. They are once again projected in Football Outsiders' Top 25.
But that doesn't really mean a lot, does it? It will be hard to truly believe in Clemson until they come up big in a big game. And in 15 days starting in mid-September, they play three huge ones. They host Auburn on September 17 and Florida State on September 24 (they lost to these two teams by a combined six points last year, both on the road) before heading to Blacksburg to take on Virginia Tech on October 1. The Tigers could somewhat legitimately be anywhere between 5-0 and 1-4 (with a loss to Troy) on October 2; none of those options would surprise anybody too much (okay, 5-0 and 1-4 probably would). The above stats show that Clemson has (on paper) achieved about the level of quality their recruiting rankings would suggest, and they were not particularly lucky or unlucky last year (aside from the injury to Kyle Parker, anyway). They will likely play quite a few more close games this fall, and they will either live down to the stereotype in those games, or they will regress back toward the mean in a crazy way.
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* For more on the 'Adj. Score' and 'Adj. Record' measures below, feel free to read this Football Outsiders column. Adj. Score is a look at how a team would have performed in a given week if playing a perfectly average team, with a somewhat average number of breaks and turnovers. The idea for the measure is simple: what if everybody in the country played exactly the same opponent every single week? Who would have done the best? It is an attempt to look at offensive and defensive consistency without getting sidetracked by easy or difficult schedules. And yes, with adjusted score you can allow a negative number of points, which is strangely satisfying.
** F/+ rankings are the official rankings for the college portion of Football Outsiders. They combine my own S&P+ rankings (based on play-by-play data) with Brian Fremeau's drives-based FEI rankings.
*** What is S&P+? Think of it as an OPS (the "On-Base Plus Slugging" baseball measure) for football. The 'S' stands for success rates, a common Football Outsiders efficiency measure that basically serves as on-base percentage. The 'P' stands for PPP+, an explosiveness measure that stands for EqPts Per Play. The "+" means it has been adjusted for the level of opponent, obviously a key to any good measure in college football. S&P+ is measured for all non-garbage time plays in a given college football game. Plays are counted within the following criteria: when the score is within 28 points in the first quarter, within 24 points in the second quarter, within 21 points in the third quarter, and within 16 points (i.e. two possession) in the fourth quarter. For more about this measure, visit the main S&P+ page at Football Outsiders.
**** Adj. TO Margin is what a team's turnover margin would have been if they had recovered exactly 50 percent of all the fumbles that occurred in their games. If there is a huge difference between TO Margin and Adj. TO Margin (in other words, if fumbles and unlucky bounces were the main source of a good/bad TO margin), that suggests that a team's luck was particularly good or bad and might even out the next season.
*****Phil Steele has long tracked Yards Per Point as a means of looking at teams that were a little too efficient or inefficient the previous season. A positive Yds/Pt Margin means a team's offense was less efficient than opponents' offenses, and to the extent that luck was involved, their luck might even out the next year.
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Fact: Clemson was guilty. The football program as a whole had violated NCAA rules in regards to improper recruiting inducements, extra benefits to student-athletes already on campus, unethical conduct, etc, most of which occurred over two seasons when Charlie Pell was head coach in 1977 and 1978, a portion of which continued after Ford took over. This all came to a head in November 1982 when the NCAA imposed two years of recruiting sanctions on Clemson, as well as a two-year bowl ban and two-year television ban. That’s where it was supposed to end.Then Swofford stepped in.
In a behind-closed-door meeting called by Swofford and including every athletic director in the conference . . . except Clemson’s . . . the now-ACC Commissioner stated, essentially, that the ACC was a hallowed collection of academic institutions that shouldn’t be sullied by the rule-breaking of one member institution interested only in winning. Therefore, Swofford continued, all should agree that what the NCAA handed down simply was not severe enough. Even though Clemson, one of their own in the league, was at its lowest point ever, the ACC should add another year of sanctions. (No, I’m not kidding.) Swofford and his counterpart from Duke led this initiative and were ultimately able to garner enough support from the rest of the conference to make it so. Only Wake Forest and Maryland were opposed to further punishing one of their fellow ACC members and the representatives from both schools walked out of the meeting when Swofford suggested the vote be taken anonymously.
Which brings us to 2011. The NCAA hammer is about to fall in Chapel Hill. Will John Swofford be consistent now that it’s his school on the business end of sanctions and probation? Is the integrity of the entire league threatened by UNC, as it allegedly was by Clemson in 1982? Given what’s transpired over the past year at North Carolina – academic fraud, agents, trips, jewelry, cash, etc. -- , it far surpasses anything Clemson was guilty of. The bottom line is the commissioner’s response will be very telling in regards to what type of leadership the conference has right now and what type of man is at the head of it.
Yeah, not a Swofford fan here.
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* American Heritage lefty Dylan Silva committed to Florida State. Silva is a 6-1, 210-pound power pitcher who struck out 41 batters last season.
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It's the Schedule, Stupid | ACC Basketball
So who are the contributors to the ACC's poor RPI? I looked at all 73 BCS conference teams and four of the worst ten were from our conference. Checking in at 10th in the country was Virginia Tech who missed the tourney despite a 9-7 record in conference (prior to this year 3 ACC teams had ever missed the NCAA field with a winning conference record since expanding to 64 teams - and two of those three were Virginia Tech. Please tell me their Director of Basketball Operations is now flipping burgers.). Tech's actual SOS was 50, while their RPI SOS was 77. At #9 was Wake Forest, who pretty much failed in every way in 2010-11. Next, all the way at #3, was Virginia. They didn't play a particularly tough OOC schedule (weighing in at 57) but the teams they chose to play (RPI SOS of 107) may have well have been picked out of a hat. UVA is supposed to be filled with smart people. They're not. Then there's the worst offender in the conference, and the 2nd worst in the entire country: Florida State. According to the RPI their SOS was a terrible 87th. Because of this an 11-5 conference record only landed them a 10-seed (the previous low for an 11-win ACC team was a 6 seed). Their actual SOS was 41. Had they scheduled with a purpose they likely would have been a 4-5 seed (and considering they lost in overtime in the Sweet 16, that's probably where they belonged).Unsurprisingly, it was Coach K and the Duke Blue Devils who had the ACC's smartest schedule. Maybe the media should start listening to what he's actually saying. And maybe the people in charge of scheduling can figure out how simple math is costing the conference millions of dollars.
Great, great piece by our own Michael Rogner.
Florida State Seminoles will challenge Duke Blue Devils, North Carolina Tar Heels - ESPN
Florida State is not without its warts. Turnovers should be an issue again as Loucks tries to make the home run pass too often, and Miller is just not a point. Arkansas transfer Jeff Peterson (eligible right away) is an average athlete who has a lot of experience at two schools and whose coaches were both fired after he started at the point (a remarkable record when you think of it). Still the Seminoles are worthy of consideration for the No. 2 spot, despite losing their top two scorers and leading rebounder, because of the job they have done in recruiting and the focus on the defensive end Leonard Hamilton and staff have stressed.Discount the Noles at your own peril.
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I'm very excited to see what Bell can do to this rotation
He’s already recruiting well. Between Winston and Silva, the FSU pitching rotation has a bright future!
I don't know if Winston pitches at FSU
Jimbo would have a heart attack if he blew out his arm on the diamond. I think he’ll be played on the OF.
by nolesblogger on Aug 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you figure?
Both Easterling and Richardson were highly regarded baseball prospects, too. They didn’t fulfill their potential. I think missing fall ball hurts their progress quite a bit.
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HIghly doubt Winston will pitch.
If he does it would probably be in a reliever role.
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Swofford
I don’t think I can read any article about him that doesn’t make me face palm. If the ACC lets UNC off, perhaps that will finally be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 4, 2011 7:59 AM EDT reply actions
Chances like this come along rarely in business.
Swofford has lived well and faced no repercussions for 3 decades after stabbing Clemson in the back. If the Clemson AD does not listen to the Clemson fans and use this opportunity to expose Swofford’s hypocrisy and drum up support among the other schools for his ouster, then that AD is gutless and foolish, imho.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
That was thirty years ago
It will be easy to drop “the game has changed” excuses and diversions, and it won’t be easy to drum up widespread concern at Clemson given the time that has passed.
Swofford is never going to punish an NC school.
30 years is nothing
In the minds of the Boosters, Students, Players, and anyone associated with Clemson 30 years ago. Who also have power now.
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love @caine115
in all fairness 30 years ago was only yesterday at clemson...
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Still, you think Swofford cares?
I’m not saying it’s right, just that “fairness” and “what’s best for teams other than those in NC” aren’t in Swofford’s vocabulary.
nope...
just saying clemson fans think they should be competing for national titles every year ever since danny ford…
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
"hallowed collection of academic institutions"
Yeah, either that or he wanted to punish them for daring to care more about football than basketball. (Only half kidding)
No doubt they hate us even more than Clemson.
Florida State 45 Miami 17
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by SeminoleMike on Aug 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU does not waste its 5* players
the previous coaching staff did. Why are people so stupid to realize this? I’m glad recruits aren’t.
But then I did read the other day that 36% of the state of Alabama is on food stamps.
by Shooter McFrattin on Aug 4, 2011 8:16 AM EDT reply actions
I always love that argument
“You can’t succeed because you have failed for a decade.” As if the sweeping changes mean nothing. Yep, it’s just something they started putting in the water in Tallahassee in late 2000. Nothing to do with the previous regime. Our uniforms make us incapable of winning.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Aug 4, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
most people who haven’t followed the situation seem to think that a new coach isn’t that big a deal and doesn’t make much difference. They’ll find out soon enough though.
But if ANYONE should realize it, it would be Alabama fans
Who have gone from the lows of probation and 3-9/4-8 seasons, to Mike Shula’s wasted years, and now to Nick Saban. This was an Alabama team program that had losing records, including a 6-7 record in 2006. Saban arrived in 2007 and Alabama went 12-0 and to the SEC Championship game in 2008.
Our wasted 5* players beat Alabama just a few years ago.
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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Selective memory
and they don’t count it as valid because it was Saban’s first year.
They don’t remember anything prior to 2008 and feel that they are the only program in the southeast capable of running at an extremely high level.
Man, that game was just ugly.
It was an epic clash of Mike Shula’s sanctions-ravaged team against Jeff Bowden’s incompetence-ravaged team, only with different coaching.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Its rare I come across a Bama fan trash talking FSU
but when I do, its nice to have that game up my sleeve.
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read their boards after yesterday
and just wait if Black domes here
A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
twitter of random stuff and tons of confessing FSU love @caine115
But then I did read the other day that 36% of the state of Alabama is on food stamps.
Just because people are on food stamps does not mean they are “stupid.” Count your blessings my fellow ’Nole.
"I really can't stand that NFL guy, what's his name? Mel, yeah Mel Kiper Jr. He knows about as much about football as a Japanese space pilot." - Coach Trickett
by Gulfport Nole on Aug 4, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
also that number is incorrect. Not even close to correct.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
by onebarrelrum on Aug 4, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude
With todays economy you are lucky to not need assistance. It’s getting bad out there.
Go Noles!
I don’t consider wise decision making and prudent financial planning to be “luck”, but point taken.
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by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/food-stamp-use-surges-most-years-alabama-foodstamp-recipients-double-may
Its just what I read.
by Shooter McFrattin on Aug 4, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
haven't heard of that site but it fails to give a reason why Bama's food stamp participation doubled in a month.
Alabama is responsible for much of the 1.1 million increase in food stamp recipients after horrific storms tore through the area and led some residents to seek disaster relief, according to the United States Department of Agriculture.
FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.
Yes they are
and while I don’t take to heart much of what they write over there, they sure do look smart today.
by Shooter McFrattin on Aug 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
boom shakalaka
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"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
movin dude
and getting used to being back in FL. been gone 3 years, which is about 3 years too long
"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody
Bama
Awesome! And thanks for the first couple of sentences….I’m surrounded by some Bama fans down here in Central Florida…..
The message board meltdown was pretty entertaining, but
I couldn’t help but think, had he picked Bama, I know TN would be cool but would certain other, $10/month site members be the same?
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I prefer truck stop sexual encounters to WC....
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Jameis Winston interview
This morning on the local radio station here in Birmingham. They said he would be on at 9:15 CST but aren’t sure as Hueytown’s practice has been cancelled. He and his coach will definitely be on sometime in the 9 o’clock hour.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
things sound very promising in the interview for Jameis actually playing at FSU. he said he really wants to play in college. doesn’t want to travel in A and AA. playing college BB will help him get on the 40 man roster in MLB sooner. one of the hosts asked if he’d take 3 mil. or a heisman/national championship. he said the national championship.
Saying all the right things.
Thanks for the breakdown. My computer at work won’t allow streaming audio/video and I’m out of range to get Jox on the radio.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
on clemson
who is the other big-time dt besides Thompson? more underrated lbs in the nation, a star at cb… wat?
just don’t understand what Goldman is doing. Bush and Howard are still available, but he gets his 4th db commit from that kid? i feel like he’s picking quantity over quality at this point. *in before miami guys “he’s taking guys he’s seen perform at camp/i trust our coaches who put X number of Temple guys in the NFL”
Grammar check perhaps?
His name is Al Golden, not Goldman. Bush and Howard are still available but aren’t ready to commit. If he he’s picking quantity over quality let him do it. He’s the coach, you’re not.
He can call him Goldman all he wants here
And to be honest, that guy is even more of a head-scratcher as a coach than that Shanmon feller you guys fired.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
yeah, gasou_nole, let him follow "The Randy Shannon 2009 Recruiting Plan"
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It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s the coach, you’re not.
We’ll see for how long..
by STAquinasNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
naw, your point is well made.
If he follows Shannon’s “quantity over quality” plan, he’s headed down the same path, with the same end result.
Just as TN predicted.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
And a lot of his commitments are embarrassing
2012 is going to be a tough year for the canes w/ the lack of talent and depth they will have. This should ultimately lead to a bad recruiting class for 2013 and a poor season that year as well.
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my bad, Golden
just had Goldman on the brain because he’s gonna be the last addition to our GOAT defensive line class :smug:
and you’re right, he is the coach. and i hope he continues to recruit this way the entire time he’s there. guess we’ll see how it plays out over the next few years.
We'll let him do it but you shouldn't.
Not if you want to win more than 7-8 games every year.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Quantity over quality: BRILLIANT!
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He's not used to the hotbed of talent...
he thinks he’s cherrypicking the top players and wonders why nobody is battling for them ;)
Headline on a cane’s blog:
“Noles and Gators conceding top south florida recruits to the U. Afraid to battle”
The byline – “Top DB from St. Mary’s School For the Blind commits to DA U”
by STAquinasNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I get the whole "don't count the canes out"
line b/c they are situated in probably the best recruiting grounds in the nation, however I feel FSU and UF are leaving them behind. I just don’t see future UM/FSU games as being all that close in years to come, that could change, but I don’t think so. UF OTOH, provided Charlie Cheeseburger doesn’t completely flop, looks to be gearing up for some epic matchups w/ our Noles in the near future.
Ameica, Land of the free and home to the entitled.
I give Weis 2 to 3 seasons tops
He might leave the same time Stoops leaves depending.
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
by AMFKNole on Aug 4, 2011 8:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont understand where people think Weis is such a great offensive mind.
He won a couple super bowls in the NFL (which is a completely different game, btw) when the Pats were video taping defensive signals from opponents practices (also known as CHEATING). Ya, I could probably dial up the correct plays when I know when the defensive is blitzing. It’s like looking at the other guys controller on madden.
If you take that out, what do you have? Was ND’s offense something special during his tenure? I remember one sequence vs USC, 1st and goal from like the 2, he calls 3 Fade/Jump balls to one of their taller receivers, then kicks a field goal. I know a guy who ran that play a lot and no one thought he was a genius.
by DoubleNickel on Aug 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
so charlie weis’ success is only from looking at the other teams controller?
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jeff Bowden?
I know a guy who ran that play a lot and no one thought he was a genius.
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Of coarse it's him....
I still think he somehow coached JaFloatey “Arm Punt” Harris. Can anyone see is Ol Jeffery was a pee wee coach back in the day?
"The worst kind of non-smokers are the ones that come up to you and cough. That's pretty f*^@ing cruel isn't it? Do you go up to cripples and dance too?"
- Bill Hicks (another dead hero)
Still remember the day they fired him.
was in Rovetta, 2nd floor, some kid goes running through the halls screaming. classic.
An excellent analogy and so very true...who knows how long they cheated before getting caught
He won a couple super bowls in the NFL (which is a completely different game, btw) when the Pats were video taping defensive signals from opponents practices (also known as CHEATING). Ya, I could probably dial up the correct plays when I know when the defensive is blitzing. It’s like looking at the other guys controller on madden.
maybe somewhat harsh
Never have or attempted to call plays at any level, but I’m sure it makes it a whole lot easier if you know what the defensive is going to do.
I just can’t give a guy credit for something he did when there was on the field cheating, as opposed to cheating via allowing recruits to get “benefits” from boosters and/or cheerleaders so they come to your school.
I was kind of happy Florida got him for OC. I may have to eat those words, but I just don’t see it, especially with the change to pro-style with spread players.
charlie weis is an excellent offensive coach...
their offense will be very good when they get the right personnel
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you can say that.
and you could be right, but
A) what has he done outside of his time with the Patriots (which is tainted, at least to some degree)?
2) if you would agree that College and NFL are 2 completely different animals, what has he done in college to validate that statement?
D) Are you from Mass.? lol
nope, not from mass...
his offenses were very good at notre dame. his defenses were terrible…
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
overall offense (maybe not the best measure, but w/e)
2005 – 9th
2006 – 22
2007 – 118
2008 – 58
2009 – 24
that is an average of 46th overall offense (again maybe not the best way to quantify)
I think that is just about average, especially when you consider the fact that ND plays the schedule they do, combine with his inability to win big games.
i couldn't find it them either...
i truly hope you’re right, i just don’t think you are…
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone brings up what he did in New England
And certainly winning Super Bowls is a great resume item, but….
Weren’t those Pats more known for great defense and smart (not necessarily great though) offense? Didn’t the ridiculous Tom Brady-Randy Moss season happen AFTER he left? I don’t think he’s a bad coach, but subsequent events have proven that the Pat’s Offense was arguably better without him.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know if I'd say the Pats were necessarily better off,
But they certainly weren’t markedly worse, that’s for sure.
If anything, the post-Weis NE teams have shown that most any OC will look like a genius when the QB they’re feeding the playcalls to is Tom Brady.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
I think Weiss is a victim of his own reputation.
Weiss was an offensive genius until he started to believe it. Now he’s a guy with a waaaay to big playbook for a college kid to absorb.
Weiss is what made me scared of the Gruden to Miami rumors.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude Weis can coach an offense
Here are ND’s offensive S&P+ and FEI rankings each year he was there.
09 – 21 and 3 (12th in F/+)
08 – 63 and 62
07 – 118 and 99
06 – 7 (FEI doesn’t go back any further)
05 – 8
He basically had 2 or 3 pretty elite offenses but struggled to recruit and had a drop off in talent. Over 3 years, he coached up a terrible offense into an average offense then into a pretty good to possibly elite offense. If he does similar things at UF and combined with what Muschamp is capable of on defense, they will unfortunately win a lot of football games.
this..
and i don’t think people realize muschamp is going to bring in quality assistants just like jimbo did… muschamp just has more money to do it with…
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Except their coaching staff's total salary isn't any different than ours, if I recall.
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I think UM/FSU games will still be tough most years
Think about it this way, we all sorta dread games against BC, Clemson, NC State because those teams seem to get up for us every year no matter what.
At the very least, that’s what we’ll be looking at with Miami. A team full of South Florida guys who played with many FSU players, weren’t quite good enough to land at FSU themselves, are looking up at us in the polls/standings, have had their fans and former players preaching to them about how much beating FSU would mean, and want nothing more than to take us down.
We weren't exactly a great program during those years BC and NC State (and Maryland) gave us scares.
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I wonder why Golden
Would burn up all of his scholarships on these average players before the start of the season? Surely he can’t think this is a great idea.
Why not save some scholarships until December, hope to get 10 wins this year and actually bring in some talent in this class? There will still be plenty of 3* DBs in south Florida in December to scoop up if you go 7-5 again, never fear!
Perhaps too much momentum and favorable news for FSU and UF right now.
He has to show the miami fans he’s doing something other than waiting.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Miami is recruiting like a small private ACC school should.
Well, this implies they will be recruiting like Duke or WF (possibly even BC), and I don’t think thats necessarily fair, if only because of location.
But thats exactly it
It just so happens the bottom feeder talent that Duke and Wake can get in NC are 1-2 maybe 3*. The bottom feeder talent you can get in FL just so happen to be 3*s. That is to say they aren’t competing for all of the big name guys. I’m currently on the fence about UM. I just dont know whether the talent of these kids is so much greater then what he got at Temple or what but he is filling a class full of fluff. Don’t need to waste spots but you need depth. He is kinda in a catch-22. No one is going to go to UM without seeing something to look forward to and when you compare what FSU and UF are doing how are you gonna get the big name kids? The facilities are much worse, the other two schools are dropping #1 recruiting classes and are both top 15 talent level teams with coaches who are from a legit coaching tree. Without legacy’s and childhood fan’s it will be really hard for UM to convert big name kids to go to the U.
I'm with you on the fence.
I think it’ll take a few straight year’s worth of ass-kickings to pronounce the BottUMs as officially out of the “Big 3”, but until then who knows really.
Personally I think BEST case for us is they turn into the Georgia to our Florida. Able to field a good team but not able to keep up with us.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Or
the UVa to our FSU
the Navy Notre Dame to our Notre Dame Navy
the Texas A&M to our UT (ugh that was hard to type)
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
So "realtive to the state" they are recruiting like Duke & WF, because they are getting 3* bottom feeders instead of 1-2* bottom feeders?
I still disagree, as miami will still be able to pull some 150 guys. Duke/WF? Not so much.
I probably also disagree that 3* should be labeled a bottom feeder.
They have to pull a few 150 guys just because of their location.
But it’s the overall quality of their roster fillers, and their depth, top to bottom, that will keep them from competing with FSU and UF on any consistent basis.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
another way to look at it....
which of FSU’s, UF’s, or anyone else’s 4* and 5* athletes had miami in his top 2 schools?
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we can all agree UM is not recruiting like FSU or UF - but
you are really stretching it to say they are recruiting like Duke or WF
UM is recruiting like a top 25 team – somewhere between 15-25 maybe – but still a top 25 team.
Exactly
Bud didn’t say they are recruiting like a private school in heavily talented area should. He said they are recruiting like a small ACC school should. Those would be Duke, WF, BC. Getting ANY 150 guys (regardless of location), means they aren’t recruiting like those schools.
I also think we have an tremendous advantage over them, and agree with the fluff they’re taking. I just don’t want to read about any fellow TN members jumping off a cliff when miami plays us tough, or even …GASP…beats us at some point in the future.
But you can understand
How some are being set up for disappointment. At the end of the day, isn’t winning on the field the whole idea? So, the dumpster fire items on here, although wildly entertaining, give some people the wrong idea about Miami, and think they’ll become our whipping boy like we were to the turds during the 2nd half of the Lost Decade
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think most realize UM should be be good this season.
It seems like people expect them to drop to sub .500 this season and stay there.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I expect Miami to win at least 8 or 9 this year and give us all we want in Tally, and could even beat us. I expect them to not look so good for quite a while thereafter.
Next year in Coral Gables (FSU) should look a lot like the year we rammed their QBs head into the goalpost, LOL.
think you're overreacting, and exaggerating what TN'ers think.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think I’m overreacting, because I don’t actually expect anyone to jump…heck, I don’t really expect to lose ;)
off-season fodder then?
Yeah I’m very prone to that myself. :)
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
yep
you can tell the seasons close…
hundreds of comments about nothing
(BTW, I wasn’t really referring to the regulars such as yourself, but occasionally there’s a new user that seems to think miami is going 0-12)
That's Why
They will never truely be out of the big 3. Those three stars plus a handful of 150s is enough to compete at the highest levels with the right staff, player development, and scheme in place. The difference is they rebuild and not reload like UF and FSU are doing. Think Auburn pre-championship. 2 to 3 year averaging 7-10 wins, 1 year at 10 or 10+ (Coastal champion at the minimum).
by MeBeFirst on Aug 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly,
I’ll take that over a team like, say UGA. They’ve been averaging 10 wins and no real hardware to show for it.
Like I’ve always said, “Better to be the Yankees than the Braves.” Of course I mean in the 90’s.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Rather be the Braves than the Marlins.
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I will take 2 World Series wins in 6 years
In unexpected and exciting fashion. Then 1 in 10. Its like VT going to a BCS every year and not winning. Your just the first loser. You dont party for second. marlins parties twice
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Yea, 2 rings in 6 years is great.
But not even making the playoffs your other 16 years of existence kind of means you suck.
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Not when your starting out
For the first few years with castoffs and kids. They won in 5 years of creation.
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I'm a Braves fan. I'd rather be the Braves than the Marlins.
I’d also rather be good 3 years and great every fourth than not quite the best every year.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
But that's only if you have the best coaches and development.
Miami is not broke, don’t get me wrong, but but something like 7th in the ACC in total athletic revenue would seem to indicate that you don’t have a ton of money to hire the best coaches or implement the best development programs.
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Might not be broke
But 16 year old kids prob have the schools finances off of their radar. They go TO FSU. See Nice facilities. New practice fields coming along and a stadium. Go to UM where their isnt much they can do to upgrade. And can have 10x the cash FSU did and the kid would have no idea just because he just spend an hour in a car on his visit to see the stadium he would play in, half empty and with Dolphin signs all over. Finances help. But some aspects of the environment can;t shown in school finances and FSU has complete domination in the aw factor
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So, in other words, Golden is turning Miami into a veritable Temple of football achievement?
You know, I can see that…
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Well, relatively speaking
3* recruits are becoming the bottom (of the depth chart) feeders at FSU. They may typically be quality players for schools like Duke/WF, but the FSU’s/Bama’s/UF’s/OU’s of the world have a bit higher standards.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
but there are worse players, which makes them not “bottom feeders”. That term also knocks the kid. I prefer not to take a shot at the kid, though I have no problem taking a shot at miami.
I don’t think the 3 3* players that we have are bottom feeders, and I don’t think it is realistic for us to always expect we are going to have 80% of our class in the the ESPNU, though it is a fantastic ride.
Right now it seems like we have a staff full of Superheros.
Agreed.
Just thinking of our starting lineup with only a handful of 3* players, almost all of whom have a 4/5* kid pushing them for PT.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom feeder was the wrong term
just meant whats left of the pot…Seems that right now Golden’s sights are set much lower then Jimbos or Coach Boom. So he is getting the guys he “wants” but is that really a good thing?
The other factor is that soime 3* we take
Are simply ranked 3* by a group of recruits from whatever film they see and prob dont spend hours looking at him. FSU can take a 3* kid that they have looked at. Seen something they love. Think whatever it is will fit him perfect for what they need. And he although ranked a 3* may fit in better and play better then a higher ranked kid for the use of him in the system. All schools are generally like that. But its pretty funny when your recruiting level is SO high that a 3* kid gets taken and people wonder why. Forgetting the coaches do their own analysis as well. And of course their are the 3* with great coaching who turn into 12th overall picks in the NFL draft
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I also think Bud's comments were more about the timing.
Do you want to announce on ESPN in front of a national audience for FSU, or do you want to commit to miami, where nobody will even no you committed until reading about it the next day on a competitors blog?
It was announced on our sites, including ITU, within 2 hours of him verballing. Im not sure where yall are getting this from that we didnt know until yesterday??
Relax...
it was an exaggeration. I didn’t know until today, which was my point*. I expected you to know.
- point continued: Every college football fan in the country knew that Winston committed to us yesterday. I don’t believe you’re guy even got an honorable mention on the show?
UCF and South Fla
will be assuming all recruiting territories going forward. These teams should make a nice transition.
Go Noles!
With Holtz at USF and UCF in the Big East (if it happens), I could definitely see both challenging UM for 3rd best in state.
May never actually surpass Miami, but will make it a lot tougher for them.
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I don't think they are recruiting like a small ACC school either.
Much, much better. Wake, Duke, and BC would love Miami’s class this year. But they have some, repeat some, momentum with the promises of a new coach, which is how it works and should work. Though it is obvious that this class will not save them in 2012 with the last two classes being troublesome/bad. It will be the 2013 class that will wind up being the most important to UM’s recovery at this point. If they manage to win decent amount of games, and get the same or better class, and the coaching staff is solid, then there is reason to believe Miami could be seeing FSU twice a year, one being in a rematch of the ACC championship game. If, IF they are able to do with their talent what VT does with their level of talent, no reason to believe they can’t win their division.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 4, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thankyou
onebarrelum…I can understand ho poor our class looks to FSU and UFs, but Miami is still recuiting better than Duke, Wake Forest, UVA, BC, hell even Virginia Tech. No matter what FSU does, WE CAN STILL WIN THE COASTAL DIVISION AND COMPETE FOR BCS BOWLS. The other thing is that I keep hearing all this talk about how amazing the facilities, and the Doak experience is but one thing I think some FSU fans need to remember is that Miami has some major benefits UF and FSU can’t offer: it is located in a major metropolis w/south beach minutes away. This is a BIG DEAL to some recruits (see Seantrel Henderson). I mean, just from a college life standpoint, attending UF and FSU compared to UM are two different experiences altogether. There will always be some kids that want the bright lights of the big city instead of the more homely college-town feel. Or put a different way, would rather spend their saturday night at Mansion than Bullwinkles. Both institutions are excellent and will continue to be but they have VERY different things to offer kids outside football.
(see Seantrel Henderson)’s aspiring rapper father*
>>---l>
by DKfromVA on Aug 5, 2011 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What if we beat you twice in a season?
No matter what FSU does, WE CAN STILL WIN THE COASTAL DIVISION ANDCOMPETE FOR BCS BOWLS
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If that happens,
then we were still one win away from a BCS berth. Hence, competing for a BSC bowl.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe like Texas
when they couldn’t get over the Oklahoma hurdle.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
keep out of this CaneRes
I want to hear what a normal Cane thinks, CAP lock and all
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YO wE GoNNa BRinG BacK DAT SwAGGA Yo.
yALL FSu fans DOn’T havE nUTtin on DA U BaBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IM taLKing BOUT 5 Time 5 TiMe 5 TIMe NaTionAl ChaMps!!!!!!!!!!!!! We doNt cArE Abount AcC TitLes!!!!!!!!! WE arE DA U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nFl BAAAbYYYY!!!!!!!!!!
Damn, that takes alot of patience to do.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha. Rec
seriously, do ‘normal’ cane fans have a function that they can select on their key boards that randomly capitalizes letters?
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Sorry....this just comes across like the Browns chanting "Super Bowl" in the preseason.
WE CAN STILL WIN THE COASTAL DIVISION AND COMPETE FOR BCS BOWLS.
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I am tellin u guys
I respect the Noles I really do. Hell I go to law school with a ton of them. But its funny to me how so many of you guys think the U is done for and will only win 6-7 games for the forseeable future, and USF and UCF will pass us by in the next 5 years. Miami is struggling but we are not dead. I could easily see us winning 9-10 games this year and compting for a coastal division championship. Godd luck to the Noles I hope they do well and represent the ACC but man you guys can’t really think Miami is THAT BAD can you?
You are not outrecruiting UVA
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Bud,
as of right now ESPN and Rivals boths have us with a higher rated class than UVA. Do u see UVA finishing with a hgher rated class than the Hurricanes upon signing day? I certainly don’t.
You're doing it wrong..
Miami signed a3* corner out of South Fort Myers in Nateguy named Dortch.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Ha! What a F'n Dortchbag.
"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."
If Butch liked him,
I can go with it.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
But he's apparently the only decent coach that liked him.
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Wouldn't be an issue if this weren't such a frequent occurrence for your recruiting class, where guys have few impressive offers.
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Lets wait until NSD before final assessment. Like a bass fishing tournament, there is expected to be some culling in this class…….
Cant catch a big one without line in the water now can you?
and culling term is predominantly used in bass fishing so thats why the analogy use.
the word cull is used in anything dealing with weeding out undesirable characteristics of livestock or wildlife
Ever heard of culling the herd?
except if miami’s recruiting class was the herd you’d have a bunch of dead livestock laying around with bullets in their heads because you always shoot the weak first
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Why take those guys at all then?
Am I going to wait for NSD like we waited for it last year? You guys were going nuts over all the guys Golden talked into taking a free trip to South Beach. You landed like 3 of them.
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Butch has proven
He can spot talent. UNC and UM. You don’t need anyone else.
by MeBeFirst on Aug 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Every 2* he ever recruited turned into a stud.
I forgot.
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Hey Bud,
The list of our commits on the side bar needs to be updated… I think it’s just missing our last two.
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yes
and make Fowler a 5-star on scout finally
Reading the Clemson preview just enraged me
Every time I remember that the ACC scheduled FSU to play Clemson the week after Oklahoma, I wonder how the commissioner still has a job.
Yeah I was as mad as anyone when that schedule came out but
I could see us looking back and thanking the comish for that one. Clemson has some rebuilding to do and we get them pretty early in that rebuilding process. New QB, new OC, and a new d-line. We’ll see though, 2-2 would be a disaster start in the eyes of the common fan. And we’ll even to most of us I am sure.
Yeah
I don’t think they’ll really have time to work on things during the AU game, where our system has been in place for years.
by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it works out in our favor,
by accident and no credit whatsoever to the ACC, though. Catching CU early might be the best time.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
As opposed to what, though?
I agree that catching them early is good, but I’d much prefer to be playing them the week before OU or at least with a buffer week after OU.
>>---l>
No, it's not ideal
but it’s also not the worst atrocity I’ve seen. Sure, it’d be better to play a week later, or two weeks before OU. But, catching them in Sept. should be an advantage.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I consider it almost a wash
Advantages of playing them in September are almost negated by having to play them the week after a cage match with the best team in the country in my mind.
>>---l>
If we get physically beaten up (injuries)
I’d agree. But, I find it very hard to believe we’ll be emotionally/mentally/whatever drained in Sept…..even after a game against OU. JMO.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I would probably agree
If it weren’t the ultimate-level hyped, prime-time clash of the titans heralded as the best OOC game of the year. I think that lends itself to a letdown regardless of the timing.
>>---l>
Perhaps.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not about the day of the game
It’s about the week of preparation. I’m not a real believer in one team trying harder than another on game day.
>>---l>
I remember the many discussions about heart.
At the risk of restarting that fire, I agree with you for the most part.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
And I think
people are so pissed off about the overall schedule that they fail to notice any advantage, even if it doesn’t out-weigh the disadvantage. If that makes any sense.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
like 3 of our 1st 4 teams running HUNH?
we should be ready for it by the time we get to death valley and they are new to that O, so… could be an easier game than some are expecting maybe? cautiously optimistic on that one, just a silver lining
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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Aug 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I hadn't considered that they might be a bit rough around the edges that early in the season
I just see this nightmare scenario playing out where we lose a close one to OU, follow it up with a physical match up against a team that has traditionally owned us at home, and come out flat.
You should feel better than Clemson fans b/c
Clemson plays the following teams 3 consecutive weeks: Auburn, FSU, VT. #swoffordsux
Championship!
Seminoles.com OL preview
No mention of Prestwood anywhere… a simple omission or reason for concern?
I didnt know he also went backk to ND either
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this may be his intention
but i don’t think that’s happened…
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
With him as an EE as well
I thought it might happen after the transfer back of Mommas boy. But thought he would gut it out
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I dunno...
I can find articles from june where he left the school and notre dame proclaimed he is transferring there, but I can find no evidence of that actually happening…
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember the he was homesick rumors
But never thought anything came of it
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Jameis is on the radio right now.
They asked him if a baseball team offered him 3 million dollars right now or a chance to win a Heisman/Championship. He went with Heisman/Championship.
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
"Winning when playing poorly is the kiss of death." - Nick Saban
well, that's not the kind of thing that Bama fans want to hear.
They’re consoling themselves on their boards with the following conventional wisdom:
UA backed off Winston because he wants to play baseball.
UA didn’t give Shanks a commitable offer, and he wanted to commit after the A-Day game and got his feelings hurt.
UA didn’t really go after Casher.
etc., ad nauseum.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Either that,
or he’s just plain stoopid.
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I would take the 3 million dollars, use $200,000 to buy a Heisman/Championship.....and not look back.
…And I don’t even like baseball.
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Are we still worried about Ian Miller playing next year?
Gottlieb mentions him in his article, but I know he had some grades issues.
USA today poll is out
FSU starts out a #5
OU is #1, UF is #23
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/usatpoll.htm
by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
granted we don't lose week 1 or 2
we should be up to #4 for the OK game after the loser of the LSU/Oregon game drops down
and 8 SEC teams.
I thought that was ridiculous, but found some comfort in the fact that an SEC blog did also:
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/8/4/2344117/preseason-coaches-poll-2011-sec
I think the norm is to use "~=" rather than "=/="
I mention it only because I’m ALL PSYCHED about the season and as always you did such a thorough job that there is such little room left to comment or add anything noteworthy.
I didn't listen to the podcast, but I'm thinking
the pure, unadulterated excitement of the Randy Edsall era at Maryland.
was possibly written in a sarcastic manner.
One day soon I am going to see about buying one of those podcast listening gizmo machines.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Just found out my seat assignment
Row 81…ouch.
Is that the top row? I can’t complain I guess, there’s not really a bad seat, though I’m not sure I’ve sat that high before. Other than that, they met my requests to be on the end.
FYI, I’m not complaining. Got all the tickets at a good price through the TCC student discount (my wife).
If it isn't the top, it is the next to it or so.
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by onebarrelrum on Aug 4, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it is at the end of a ladder extended over the top of the skyboxes
bring your own oxygen supply
by 93noleman on Aug 4, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, if I'm going to be that high
I’d almost rather it be the very last row. You can sit under the boxes there and get some rain shelter.
I haven't been that high
since yesterday
Go Noles!
by Old Buc on Aug 4, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think 82 is the top row
but I could be wrong.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 4, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i believe it goes up to 84 in some sections
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by SteadfastNole on Aug 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What section
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8
Student season tix, on the end/aisle though, so it’s closer to section 9 which is Priority 1. Not a bad deal.
Still a good section
should be about the 30 yard line
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Antonio Morrison is listed as a 3 star by ESPN.
I notice that is the recruiting service y’all refer to the most.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 4, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
depends on the writer
Some here prefer Rivals. ESPN is used most commonly cause the average fan stopping and reading up prob reads ESPN as an almost pure source of sports news over other places. One reason the best comparison chart we have is the ACC color coded chart with all 4 major ranking services on it and where they are ranked average on their
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I like Scout, myself.
I don’t trust ESPN. My gut says if a prospect gives a verbal commitment to an SEC team, they get a bump. ESPN is all about ESPN.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
To many
5* on scout
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That is something I can't really wrap my head around.
Are 5 star players rated 5 star as compared to the other prospect in his class, or are they just rated by their overall ability? Is a 4 star from a great class as good as a 5 star from a weak class? Is there a certain amount of 5 star ratings that should be given out per year? What if there’s alot more elite players in one class than another? There can’t always be X number of elite players in a class, can there? I guess that’s why recruiting services are all over the place on some kids.
This would make a good discussion topic.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be a good discussion topic
Scout has the most 5*, hell ESPNU150’s only the top 9 are 5*.
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that changes as well
ESPN has their ranking system. Some years the top ranked kid is a 90, some an 89, some a 95. I think their 5 stars are in whatever formula they use above an 87.xx grade. Cause that tends to be where you see 4 and 5 stars split on ESPN
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I'd be ok with 50-some 5* if it meant way less 4*.
Like, if you’re not in the top 250 or so then you shouldn’t be a 4*. I want to see 2* players that are legitimately rated 2*. I don’t want to see guys that the services failed to see/rate given an arbitrary 2* status. And WhereTF are the 1* players?
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Dont forget the couple of under the radar
Diamonds in the rough UM makes sure to offer first and early. Statistically a 2* and lower has about a .3% chance of being an All American. Its just seeing what no one else sees in a kid. UM fans talk all about the 3* that are playing like 5* kids and how all are under the radar and better then all our players combined. Except Aguayo. Anyone that is a 5* at every position and snaps the ball to himself then kicks field goals while blocking at the same time is godish
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UNC/Clemson
To say that what transpired at UNC under Butch Davis is worse than what happened at Clemson in the late 70s/80s is debatable at best. Personally, I think it is flat wrong – Clemson was paying players and their head coach, athletic director, assistants, and boosters were all busted giving cash, paying players’ bills, flagrantly breaking rules. A summary is here.
If Chuck Oliver still wants to debate the relative merits of the two schools’ infractions, that’s fine. But to say that what UNC did “far surpasses” Clemson’s 70s/80s infractions is serious hyperbole and lacks perspective. It doesn’t require hyperbole to suggest that what the conference did in adding penalties to Clemson in the early 80s was an act of hypocrisy. The needless hyperbole, however, undermines Oliver’s case and makes it looks like he is just trying to score some cheap points. After all, Oliver isn’t seriously suggesting that the ACC should tack on extra penalties to UNC, is he? (No, of course he isn’t.)
Its a stretch
But even though its never been allowed. The rules were not nearly as extensive and investigated as hard back then. It usually took a reporter with a real story. With info from a disgruntled source. And it seems that many teams had players with new cars and whatever in those times. It took major violations that were just to hard to over look. And even then was usually a punishment that was bad. But it wasnt till SMU being caught buying their players houses and cars on a level that after they were on major probation and punishment to change college football in a more severe way. Its debatable cause getting a car may not have even got you caught back then. A kid goes to dinner and has it paid for by someone else now and its a violation and can lead to severe ones. So although Clemson may have done worse. It wasn’t over the top worse then anyone else at the time.
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Good point.
I think the main point is SWOFFORD SUCKS.
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I feel like nobody respects us on any sites that aren't pro-FSU
It is complete bull, and you know if we loose to Oklahoma, that will be “proof” that we were “way overrated”. There are 8 SEC teams in the top 25. That is where we should start talking about overrated.
2 teams in the preseason top 5 last season finished unranked...
the only preseason top 5 team that finished there was ohio st, and well… i guess they really didn’t…
by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

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