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Noles News 08.04.11

In case you live under a rock, yes, Florida State did indeed receive a commitment from the nation's top prep QB, Jameis Winston, out of Alabama, as we predicted.  If you encounter Bama fans who tell you that FSU always wastes its 5* players, simply say "Mike Shula," "strip clubs on a company credit card," or "Mike Dubose."  Coaching matters.  What happened during the lost decade =/= what is happening now.  10 of FSU's 14 non-kicker recruits are in the ESPNU150.  FSU is the only team to have more than 50% of its non-kickers (kickers not eligible for ESPNU150 IIRC) be from the 150.

You're doing it wrong.  Miami signed a 3* corner out of South Fort Myers in Nate Dortch.  Decent player who had committed to UNC before Butch Davis was fired.  Seriously though, wouldn't you want to wait to announce the commitment and not do it on the day in which your chief rival lands one of the best players in the country?  Oh, and they also just took a commitment for the last class (2011) from a kid to whom Illinois put on delayed enrollment (not good enough to enter Illinois immediately).  

On the other hand, UF did sign a 4* linebacker in Antonio Morrison.  Good player.  I've said it before, but will say it again in case you are new: UF is hanging with FSU in recruiting (close) and Miami is recruiting like a small private ACC school should. 

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2011 Season Preview: Stereotypes And The Clemson Tigers - SBNation.com

Below is a small handful of projection and change factors most pertinent to the Football Outsiders' preseason projections you will find in the Football Outsiders Almanac 2011.

Four-Year F/+ Rk 15
Five-Year Recruiting Rk 15
TO Margin/Adj. TO Margin**** -3 / -1.0
Approx. Ret. Starters (Off. / Def.) 15 (8, 7)
Yds/Pt Margin***** -3.1

It almost goes without saying at this point, but this should be a pretty good football team. They have an emerging star at running back (Andre Ellington) with a blue-chipper backing him up. They have one of the most experienced offensive lines in college football. They have a pair of potentially big-time defensive tackles lining up in front of one of the more underrated sets of linebackers in college football. They have a star at cornerback, a good defensive coordinator and an up-and-coming offensive coordinator. They are once again projected in Football Outsiders' Top 25.

But that doesn't really mean a lot, does it? It will be hard to truly believe in Clemson until they come up big in a big game. And in 15 days starting in mid-September, they play three huge ones. They host Auburn on September 17 and Florida State on September 24 (they lost to these two teams by a combined six points last year, both on the road) before heading to Blacksburg to take on Virginia Tech on October 1. The Tigers could somewhat legitimately be anywhere between 5-0 and 1-4 (with a loss to Troy) on October 2; none of those options would surprise anybody too much (okay, 5-0 and 1-4 probably would). The above stats show that Clemson has (on paper) achieved about the level of quality their recruiting rankings would suggest, and they were not particularly lucky or unlucky last year (aside from the injury to Kyle Parker, anyway). They will likely play quite a few more close games this fall, and they will either live down to the stereotype in those games, or they will regress back toward the mean in a crazy way.

 

 

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* For more on the 'Adj. Score' and 'Adj. Record' measures below, feel free to read this Football Outsiders column. Adj. Score is a look at how a team would have performed in a given week if playing a perfectly average team, with a somewhat average number of breaks and turnovers. The idea for the measure is simple: what if everybody in the country played exactly the same opponent every single week? Who would have done the best? It is an attempt to look at offensive and defensive consistency without getting sidetracked by easy or difficult schedules. And yes, with adjusted score you can allow a negative number of points, which is strangely satisfying.

** F/+ rankings are the official rankings for the college portion of Football Outsiders. They combine my own S&P+ rankings (based on play-by-play data) with Brian Fremeau's drives-based FEI rankings.

*** What is S&P+? Think of it as an OPS (the "On-Base Plus Slugging" baseball measure) for football. The 'S' stands for success rates, a common Football Outsiders efficiency measure that basically serves as on-base percentage. The 'P' stands for PPP+, an explosiveness measure that stands for EqPts Per Play. The "+" means it has been adjusted for the level of opponent, obviously a key to any good measure in college football. S&P+ is measured for all non-garbage time plays in a given college football game. Plays are counted within the following criteria: when the score is within 28 points in the first quarter, within 24 points in the second quarter, within 21 points in the third quarter, and within 16 points (i.e. two possession) in the fourth quarter. For more about this measure, visit the main S&P+ page at Football Outsiders.

**** Adj. TO Margin is what a team's turnover margin would have been if they had recovered exactly 50 percent of all the fumbles that occurred in their games. If there is a huge difference between TO Margin and Adj. TO Margin (in other words, if fumbles and unlucky bounces were the main source of a good/bad TO margin), that suggests that a team's luck was particularly good or bad and might even out the next season.

*****Phil Steele has long tracked Yards Per Point as a means of looking at teams that were a little too efficient or inefficient the previous season. A positive Yds/Pt Margin means a team's offense was less efficient than opponents' offenses, and to the extent that luck was involved, their luck might even out the next year.

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What Comes Around, Goes Around for Swofford, UNC & Clemson | College Football News, Opinion and Analysis | Chuck Oliver.Net

Fact: Clemson was guilty. The football program as a whole had violated NCAA rules in regards to improper recruiting inducements, extra benefits to student-athletes already on campus, unethical conduct, etc, most of which occurred over two seasons when Charlie Pell was head coach in 1977 and 1978, a portion of which continued after Ford took over. This all came to a head in November 1982 when the NCAA imposed two years of recruiting sanctions on Clemson, as well as a two-year bowl ban and two-year television ban. That’s where it was supposed to end.

Then Swofford stepped in.  

In a behind-closed-door meeting called by Swofford and including every athletic director in the conference . . . except Clemson’s . . . the now-ACC Commissioner stated, essentially, that the ACC was a hallowed collection of academic institutions that shouldn’t be sullied by the rule-breaking of one member institution interested only in winning. Therefore, Swofford continued, all should agree that what the NCAA handed down simply was not severe enough. Even though Clemson, one of their own in the league, was at its lowest point ever, the ACC should add another year of sanctions. (No, I’m not kidding.) Swofford and his counterpart from Duke led this initiative and were ultimately able to garner enough support from the rest of the conference to make it so. Only Wake Forest and Maryland were opposed to further punishing one of their fellow ACC members and the representatives from both schools walked out of the meeting when Swofford suggested the vote be taken anonymously.  

Which brings us to 2011. The NCAA hammer is about to fall in Chapel Hill. Will John Swofford be consistent now that it’s his school on the business end of sanctions and probation? Is the integrity of the entire league threatened by UNC, as it allegedly was by Clemson in 1982? Given what’s transpired over the past year at North Carolina – academic fraud, agents, trips, jewelry, cash, etc. -- , it far surpasses anything Clemson was guilty of. The bottom line is the commissioner’s response will be very telling in regards to what type of leadership the conference has right now and what type of man is at the head of it.

Yeah, not a Swofford fan here.

Baseball notebook: Three pitchers heading to FSU, FAU; Martin County SS staying in school | High School Buzz
* American Heritage lefty Dylan Silva committed to Florida State. Silva is a 6-1, 210-pound power pitcher who struck out 41 batters last season.

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It's the Schedule, Stupid | ACC Basketball

So who are the contributors to the ACC's poor RPI? I looked at all 73 BCS conference teams and four of the worst ten were from our conference. Checking in at 10th in the country was Virginia Tech who missed the tourney despite a 9-7 record in conference (prior to this year 3 ACC teams had ever missed the NCAA field with a winning conference record since expanding to 64 teams - and two of those three were Virginia Tech. Please tell me their Director of Basketball Operations is now flipping burgers.). Tech's actual SOS was 50, while their RPI SOS was 77. At #9 was Wake Forest, who pretty much failed in every way in 2010-11. Next, all the way at #3, was Virginia. They didn't play a particularly tough OOC schedule (weighing in at 57) but the teams they chose to play (RPI SOS of 107) may have well have been picked out of a hat. UVA is supposed to be filled with smart people. They're not. Then there's the worst offender in the conference, and the 2nd worst in the entire country: Florida State. According to the RPI their SOS was a terrible 87th. Because of this an 11-5 conference record only landed them a 10-seed (the previous low for an 11-win ACC team was a 6 seed). Their actual SOS was 41. Had they scheduled with a purpose they likely would have been a 4-5 seed (and considering they lost in overtime in the Sweet 16, that's probably where they belonged).

Unsurprisingly, it was Coach K and the Duke Blue Devils who had the ACC's smartest schedule. Maybe the media should start listening to what he's actually saying. And maybe the people in charge of scheduling can figure out how simple math is costing the conference millions of dollars.

Great, great piece by our own Michael Rogner.

Florida State Seminoles will challenge Duke Blue Devils, North Carolina Tar Heels - ESPN

Florida State is not without its warts. Turnovers should be an issue again as Loucks tries to make the home run pass too often, and Miller is just not a point. Arkansas transfer Jeff Peterson (eligible right away) is an average athlete who has a lot of experience at two schools and whose coaches were both fired after he started at the point (a remarkable record when you think of it). Still the Seminoles are worthy of consideration for the No. 2 spot, despite losing their top two scorers and leading rebounder, because of the job they have done in recruiting and the focus on the defensive end Leonard Hamilton and staff have stressed.

Discount the Noles at your own peril.

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I'm very excited to see what Bell can do to this rotation

He’s already recruiting well. Between Winston and Silva, the FSU pitching rotation has a bright future!

by basaltrock on Aug 4, 2011 7:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know if Winston pitches at FSU

Jimbo would have a heart attack if he blew out his arm on the diamond. I think he’ll be played on the OF.

by nolesblogger on Aug 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice little upgrade from Taiwan?

What are you glorifying with your life?

by ricobert1 on Aug 4, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you figure?

Both Easterling and Richardson were highly regarded baseball prospects, too. They didn’t fulfill their potential. I think missing fall ball hurts their progress quite a bit.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

HIghly doubt Winston will pitch.

If he does it would probably be in a reliever role.

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by RaysnNoles on Aug 5, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another thought on Doratch's commitment....

Why go public now with Tracey Howard still out there.

by MassNole on Aug 4, 2011 7:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Howard won’t be swayed by this verbal nor are we limited in the CB area. Plus we may “lose” one of the lower-rated guys anyways.

by PSLCane on Aug 4, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Swofford

I don’t think I can read any article about him that doesn’t make me face palm. If the ACC lets UNC off, perhaps that will finally be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

by Jonathan Loesche on Aug 4, 2011 7:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Chances like this come along rarely in business.

Swofford has lived well and faced no repercussions for 3 decades after stabbing Clemson in the back. If the Clemson AD does not listen to the Clemson fans and use this opportunity to expose Swofford’s hypocrisy and drum up support among the other schools for his ouster, then that AD is gutless and foolish, imho.

It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli

by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was thirty years ago

It will be easy to drop “the game has changed” excuses and diversions, and it won’t be easy to drum up widespread concern at Clemson given the time that has passed.

Swofford is never going to punish an NC school.

by ScalpEM_TX on Aug 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

30 years is nothing

In the minds of the Boosters, Students, Players, and anyone associated with Clemson 30 years ago. Who also have power now.

A Seminole warrior killed in battle is a legend remembered. A Gator lost in battle becomes a pair of boots and a belt.
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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still, you think Swofford cares?

I’m not saying it’s right, just that “fairness” and “what’s best for teams other than those in NC” aren’t in Swofford’s vocabulary.

by ScalpEM_TX on Aug 4, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope...

just saying clemson fans think they should be competing for national titles every year ever since danny ford…

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

"hallowed collection of academic institutions"

Yeah, either that or he wanted to punish them for daring to care more about football than basketball. (Only half kidding)

No doubt they hate us even more than Clemson.

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by SeminoleMike on Aug 4, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

FSU does not waste its 5* players

the previous coaching staff did. Why are people so stupid to realize this? I’m glad recruits aren’t.

But then I did read the other day that 36% of the state of Alabama is on food stamps.

by Shooter McFrattin on Aug 4, 2011 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I always love that argument

“You can’t succeed because you have failed for a decade.” As if the sweeping changes mean nothing. Yep, it’s just something they started putting in the water in Tallahassee in late 2000. Nothing to do with the previous regime. Our uniforms make us incapable of winning.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 4, 2011 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

most people who haven’t followed the situation seem to think that a new coach isn’t that big a deal and doesn’t make much difference. They’ll find out soon enough though.

by Nole2005 on Aug 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But if ANYONE should realize it, it would be Alabama fans

Who have gone from the lows of probation and 3-9/4-8 seasons, to Mike Shula’s wasted years, and now to Nick Saban. This was an Alabama team program that had losing records, including a 6-7 record in 2006. Saban arrived in 2007 and Alabama went 12-0 and to the SEC Championship game in 2008.

by Lpfsu511 on Aug 4, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec

How do they not remember this??

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Selective memory

and they don’t count it as valid because it was Saban’s first year.

They don’t remember anything prior to 2008 and feel that they are the only program in the southeast capable of running at an extremely high level.

by truenole87 on Aug 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man, that game was just ugly.

It was an epic clash of Mike Shula’s sanctions-ravaged team against Jeff Bowden’s incompetence-ravaged team, only with different coaching.

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by Dogrel on Aug 4, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many online Tide fans were even following the team in 2007?

by 38Noles on Aug 4, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec

How soon we forget Bama

Go Noles!

by Old Buc on Aug 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its rare I come across a Bama fan trash talking FSU

but when I do, its nice to have that game up my sleeve.
Rec

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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 4, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

read their boards after yesterday

and just wait if Black domes here

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

With todays economy you are lucky to not need assistance. It’s getting bad out there.

Go Noles!

by Old Buc on Aug 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t consider wise decision making and prudent financial planning to be “luck”, but point taken.

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by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

haven't heard of that site but it fails to give a reason why Bama's food stamp participation doubled in a month.

A little context.

Alabama is responsible for much of the 1.1 million increase in food stamp recipients after horrific storms tore through the area and led some residents to seek disaster relief, according to the United States Department of Agriculture.

FSU Football, making bad teams look bad since 2010.

by onebarrelrum on Aug 4, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes they are

and while I don’t take to heart much of what they write over there, they sure do look smart today.

by Shooter McFrattin on Aug 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

boom shakalaka

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"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Aug 4, 2011 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

nole07

Where the hell have you been?

by Fsu3211 on Aug 4, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

movin dude

and getting used to being back in FL. been gone 3 years, which is about 3 years too long

"I guess they have a reputation of being more of a tricky team and not being tough. You hit ‘em in the mouth, and they don’t like it. Other teams that have beat them just hit them in the mouth, so that’s what we started out with.’’ - Nick Moody

by nole07 on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bama

Awesome! And thanks for the first couple of sentences….I’m surrounded by some Bama fans down here in Central Florida…..

by SurfNole on Aug 4, 2011 8:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The message board meltdown was pretty entertaining, but

I couldn’t help but think, had he picked Bama, I know TN would be cool but would certain other, $10/month site members be the same?

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved it.

That’s why I prefer TN over WC.

Go Noles!

by Old Buc on Aug 4, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I prefer truck stop sexual encounters to WC....

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by DRusso97 on Aug 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jameis Winston interview

This morning on the local radio station here in Birmingham. They said he would be on at 9:15 CST but aren’t sure as Hueytown’s practice has been cancelled. He and his coach will definitely be on sometime in the 9 o’clock hour.

http://www.joxfm.com/

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by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

fantastic

I listen to jox everyday

by KHow on Aug 4, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

things sound very promising in the interview for Jameis actually playing at FSU. he said he really wants to play in college. doesn’t want to travel in A and AA. playing college BB will help him get on the 40 man roster in MLB sooner. one of the hosts asked if he’d take 3 mil. or a heisman/national championship. he said the national championship.

by KHow on Aug 4, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saying all the right things.

Thanks for the breakdown. My computer at work won’t allow streaming audio/video and I’m out of range to get Jox on the radio.

My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

too bad, their mid day show is pretty good

by KHow on Aug 4, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

on clemson

who is the other big-time dt besides Thompson? more underrated lbs in the nation, a star at cb… wat?

just don’t understand what Goldman is doing. Bush and Howard are still available, but he gets his 4th db commit from that kid? i feel like he’s picking quantity over quality at this point. *in before miami guys “he’s taking guys he’s seen perform at camp/i trust our coaches who put X number of Temple guys in the NFL”

by gasou_nole on Aug 4, 2011 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Grammar check perhaps?

His name is Al Golden, not Goldman. Bush and Howard are still available but aren’t ready to commit. If he he’s picking quantity over quality let him do it. He’s the coach, you’re not.

by JuniorCane on Aug 4, 2011 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

He can call him Goldman all he wants here

And to be honest, that guy is even more of a head-scratcher as a coach than that Shanmon feller you guys fired.

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by Nattylite on Aug 4, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s the coach, you’re not.


We’ll see for how long..

by STAquinasNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

naw, your point is well made.

If he follows Shannon’s “quantity over quality” plan, he’s headed down the same path, with the same end result.

Just as TN predicted.

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

And a lot of his commitments are embarrassing

2012 is going to be a tough year for the canes w/ the lack of talent and depth they will have. This should ultimately lead to a bad recruiting class for 2013 and a poor season that year as well.

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by ItaliaNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

my bad, Golden

just had Goldman on the brain because he’s gonna be the last addition to our GOAT defensive line class :smug:

and you’re right, he is the coach. and i hope he continues to recruit this way the entire time he’s there. guess we’ll see how it plays out over the next few years.

by gasou_nole on Aug 4, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

We'll let him do it but you shouldn't.

Not if you want to win more than 7-8 games every year.

My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quantity over quality: BRILLIANT!

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's not used to the hotbed of talent...

he thinks he’s cherrypicking the top players and wonders why nobody is battling for them ;)

Headline on a cane’s blog:

“Noles and Gators conceding top south florida recruits to the U. Afraid to battle”

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The byline – “Top DB from St. Mary’s School For the Blind commits to DA U”

by STAquinasNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

In all seriousness, while the guy is getting a pretty decent top-heavy class, you have to wonder about the quality of depth there.

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by Nattylite on Aug 4, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I get the whole "don't count the canes out"

line b/c they are situated in probably the best recruiting grounds in the nation, however I feel FSU and UF are leaving them behind. I just don’t see future UM/FSU games as being all that close in years to come, that could change, but I don’t think so. UF OTOH, provided Charlie Cheeseburger doesn’t completely flop, looks to be gearing up for some epic matchups w/ our Noles in the near future.

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by levynole on Aug 4, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I give Weis 2 to 3 seasons tops

He might leave the same time Stoops leaves depending.

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 4, 2011 8:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I dont understand where people think Weis is such a great offensive mind.

He won a couple super bowls in the NFL (which is a completely different game, btw) when the Pats were video taping defensive signals from opponents practices (also known as CHEATING). Ya, I could probably dial up the correct plays when I know when the defensive is blitzing. It’s like looking at the other guys controller on madden.

If you take that out, what do you have? Was ND’s offense something special during his tenure? I remember one sequence vs USC, 1st and goal from like the 2, he calls 3 Fade/Jump balls to one of their taller receivers, then kicks a field goal. I know a guy who ran that play a lot and no one thought he was a genius.

by DoubleNickel on Aug 4, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

so charlie weis’ success is only from looking at the other teams controller?

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jeff Bowden?
I know a guy who ran that play a lot and no one thought he was a genius.

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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 4, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of coarse it's him....

I still think he somehow coached JaFloatey “Arm Punt” Harris. Can anyone see is Ol Jeffery was a pee wee coach back in the day?

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by YouNoleIt on Aug 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still remember the day they fired him.

was in Rovetta, 2nd floor, some kid goes running through the halls screaming. classic.

by DoubleNickel on Aug 4, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

An excellent analogy and so very true...who knows how long they cheated before getting caught
He won a couple super bowls in the NFL (which is a completely different game, btw) when the Pats were video taping defensive signals from opponents practices (also known as CHEATING). Ya, I could probably dial up the correct plays when I know when the defensive is blitzing. It’s like looking at the other guys controller on madden.

by spanky96 on Aug 4, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe somewhat harsh

Never have or attempted to call plays at any level, but I’m sure it makes it a whole lot easier if you know what the defensive is going to do.

I just can’t give a guy credit for something he did when there was on the field cheating, as opposed to cheating via allowing recruits to get “benefits” from boosters and/or cheerleaders so they come to your school.

I was kind of happy Florida got him for OC. I may have to eat those words, but I just don’t see it, especially with the change to pro-style with spread players.

by DoubleNickel on Aug 4, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

charlie weis is an excellent offensive coach...

their offense will be very good when they get the right personnel

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can say that.

and you could be right, but

A) what has he done outside of his time with the Patriots (which is tainted, at least to some degree)?

2) if you would agree that College and NFL are 2 completely different animals, what has he done in college to validate that statement?

D) Are you from Mass.? lol

by DoubleNickel on Aug 4, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

nope, not from mass...

his offenses were very good at notre dame. his defenses were terrible…

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

overall offense (maybe not the best measure, but w/e)

2005 – 9th
2006 – 22
2007 – 118
2008 – 58
2009 – 24

that is an average of 46th overall offense (again maybe not the best way to quantify)
 I think that is just about average, especially when you consider the fact that ND plays the schedule they do, combine with his inability to win big games.

by DoubleNickel on Aug 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone brings up what he did in New England

And certainly winning Super Bowls is a great resume item, but….

Weren’t those Pats more known for great defense and smart (not necessarily great though) offense? Didn’t the ridiculous Tom Brady-Randy Moss season happen AFTER he left? I don’t think he’s a bad coach, but subsequent events have proven that the Pat’s Offense was arguably better without him.

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if I'd say the Pats were necessarily better off,

But they certainly weren’t markedly worse, that’s for sure.
If anything, the post-Weis NE teams have shown that most any OC will look like a genius when the QB they’re feeding the playcalls to is Tom Brady.

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by Dogrel on Aug 4, 2011 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

they broke the NFL scoring record, Passing TD in one year, Receiving TD’s in one year and I think some more, but don’t feel like looking up right now.

by DoubleNickel on Aug 5, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Weiss is a victim of his own reputation.

Weiss was an offensive genius until he started to believe it. Now he’s a guy with a waaaay to big playbook for a college kid to absorb.

Weiss is what made me scared of the Gruden to Miami rumors.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude Weis can coach an offense

Here are ND’s offensive S&P+ and FEI rankings each year he was there.

09 – 21 and 3 (12th in F/+)
08 – 63 and 62
07 – 118 and 99
06 – 7 (FEI doesn’t go back any further)
05 – 8

He basically had 2 or 3 pretty elite offenses but struggled to recruit and had a drop off in talent. Over 3 years, he coached up a terrible offense into an average offense then into a pretty good to possibly elite offense. If he does similar things at UF and combined with what Muschamp is capable of on defense, they will unfortunately win a lot of football games.

by nolesblogger on Aug 4, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

this..

and i don’t think people realize muschamp is going to bring in quality assistants just like jimbo did… muschamp just has more money to do it with…

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except their coaching staff's total salary isn't any different than ours, if I recall.

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by tricknole on Aug 5, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think UM/FSU games will still be tough most years

Think about it this way, we all sorta dread games against BC, Clemson, NC State because those teams seem to get up for us every year no matter what.

At the very least, that’s what we’ll be looking at with Miami. A team full of South Florida guys who played with many FSU players, weren’t quite good enough to land at FSU themselves, are looking up at us in the polls/standings, have had their fans and former players preaching to them about how much beating FSU would mean, and want nothing more than to take us down.

by 38Noles on Aug 4, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We weren't exactly a great program during those years BC and NC State (and Maryland) gave us scares.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll be up for those games too though

Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.

by AMFKNole on Aug 5, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder why Golden

Would burn up all of his scholarships on these average players before the start of the season? Surely he can’t think this is a great idea.

Why not save some scholarships until December, hope to get 10 wins this year and actually bring in some talent in this class? There will still be plenty of 3* DBs in south Florida in December to scoop up if you go 7-5 again, never fear!

by NoleOrNever on Aug 4, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Perhaps too much momentum and favorable news for FSU and UF right now.

He has to show the miami fans he’s doing something other than waiting.

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Butch has a pretty good eye for defensive talent, does he not?

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

 Miami is recruiting like a small private ACC school should.

Well, this implies they will be recruiting like Duke or WF (possibly even BC), and I don’t think thats necessarily fair, if only because of location.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

But thats exactly it

It just so happens the bottom feeder talent that Duke and Wake can get in NC are 1-2 maybe 3*. The bottom feeder talent you can get in FL just so happen to be 3*s. That is to say they aren’t competing for all of the big name guys. I’m currently on the fence about UM. I just dont know whether the talent of these kids is so much greater then what he got at Temple or what but he is filling a class full of fluff. Don’t need to waste spots but you need depth. He is kinda in a catch-22. No one is going to go to UM without seeing something to look forward to and when you compare what FSU and UF are doing how are you gonna get the big name kids? The facilities are much worse, the other two schools are dropping #1 recruiting classes and are both top 15 talent level teams with coaches who are from a legit coaching tree. Without legacy’s and childhood fan’s it will be really hard for UM to convert big name kids to go to the U.

by fsugrizz on Aug 4, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on the fence.

I think it’ll take a few straight year’s worth of ass-kickings to pronounce the BottUMs as officially out of the “Big 3”, but until then who knows really.

Personally I think BEST case for us is they turn into the Georgia to our Florida. Able to field a good team but not able to keep up with us.

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or

the UVa to our FSU

the Navy Notre Dame to our Notre Dame Navy

the Texas A&M to our UT (ugh that was hard to type)

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

So "realtive to the state" they are recruiting like Duke & WF, because they are getting 3* bottom feeders instead of 1-2* bottom feeders?

I still disagree, as miami will still be able to pull some 150 guys. Duke/WF? Not so much.

I probably also disagree that 3* should be labeled a bottom feeder.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

They have to pull a few 150 guys just because of their location.

But it’s the overall quality of their roster fillers, and their depth, top to bottom, that will keep them from competing with FSU and UF on any consistent basis.

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

another way to look at it....

which of FSU’s, UF’s, or anyone else’s 4* and 5* athletes had miami in his top 2 schools?

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can all agree UM is not recruiting like FSU or UF - but

you are really stretching it to say they are recruiting like Duke or WF

UM is recruiting like a top 25 team – somewhere between 15-25 maybe – but still a top 25 team.

by 93noleman on Aug 4, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Bud didn’t say they are recruiting like a private school in heavily talented area should. He said they are recruiting like a small ACC school should. Those would be Duke, WF, BC. Getting ANY 150 guys (regardless of location), means they aren’t recruiting like those schools.

I also think we have an tremendous advantage over them, and agree with the fluff they’re taking. I just don’t want to read about any fellow TN members jumping off a cliff when miami plays us tough, or even …GASP…beats us at some point in the future.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

But you can understand

How some are being set up for disappointment. At the end of the day, isn’t winning on the field the whole idea? So, the dumpster fire items on here, although wildly entertaining, give some people the wrong idea about Miami, and think they’ll become our whipping boy like we were to the turds during the 2nd half of the Lost Decade

by Nolesos Locos on Aug 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think most realize UM should be be good this season.

It seems like people expect them to drop to sub .500 this season and stay there.

My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

this

it’s become a theme.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

I definately think they are being setup for disappointment.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I’m overreacting, because I don’t actually expect anyone to jump…heck, I don’t really expect to lose ;)

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

off-season fodder then?

Yeah I’m very prone to that myself. :)

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

you can tell the seasons close…

hundreds of comments about nothing

(BTW, I wasn’t really referring to the regulars such as yourself, but occasionally there’s a new user that seems to think miami is going 0-12)

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's Why

They will never truely be out of the big 3. Those three stars plus a handful of 150s is enough to compete at the highest levels with the right staff, player development, and scheme in place. The difference is they rebuild and not reload like UF and FSU are doing. Think Auburn pre-championship. 2 to 3 year averaging 7-10 wins, 1 year at 10 or 10+ (Coastal champion at the minimum).

by MeBeFirst on Aug 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Honestly,

I’ll take that over a team like, say UGA. They’ve been averaging 10 wins and no real hardware to show for it.

Like I’ve always said, “Better to be the Yankees than the Braves.” Of course I mean in the 90’s.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 4, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rather be the Braves than the Marlins.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will take 2 World Series wins in 6 years

In unexpected and exciting fashion. Then 1 in 10. Its like VT going to a BCS every year and not winning. Your just the first loser. You dont party for second. marlins parties twice

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, 2 rings in 6 years is great.

But not even making the playoffs your other 16 years of existence kind of means you suck.

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by tricknole on Aug 5, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not when your starting out

For the first few years with castoffs and kids. They won in 5 years of creation.

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by caine115 on Aug 6, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Braves fan. I'd rather be the Braves than the Marlins.

I’d also rather be good 3 years and great every fourth than not quite the best every year.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

But that's only if you have the best coaches and development.

Miami is not broke, don’t get me wrong, but but something like 7th in the ACC in total athletic revenue would seem to indicate that you don’t have a ton of money to hire the best coaches or implement the best development programs.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Might not be broke

But 16 year old kids prob have the schools finances off of their radar. They go TO FSU. See Nice facilities. New practice fields coming along and a stadium. Go to UM where their isnt much they can do to upgrade. And can have 10x the cash FSU did and the kid would have no idea just because he just spend an hour in a car on his visit to see the stadium he would play in, half empty and with Dolphin signs all over. Finances help. But some aspects of the environment can;t shown in school finances and FSU has complete domination in the aw factor

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, in other words, Golden is turning Miami into a veritable Temple of football achievement?

You know, I can see that…

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by Dogrel on Aug 4, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, relatively speaking

3* recruits are becoming the bottom (of the depth chart) feeders at FSU. They may typically be quality players for schools like Duke/WF, but the FSU’s/Bama’s/UF’s/OU’s of the world have a bit higher standards.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

No doubt

but there are worse players, which makes them not “bottom feeders”. That term also knocks the kid. I prefer not to take a shot at the kid, though I have no problem taking a shot at miami.

I don’t think the 3 3* players that we have are bottom feeders, and I don’t think it is realistic for us to always expect we are going to have 80% of our class in the the ESPNU, though it is a fantastic ride.

Right now it seems like we have a staff full of Superheros.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Just thinking of our starting lineup with only a handful of 3* players, almost all of whom have a 4/5* kid pushing them for PT.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bottom feeder was the wrong term

just meant whats left of the pot…Seems that right now Golden’s sights are set much lower then Jimbos or Coach Boom. So he is getting the guys he “wants” but is that really a good thing?

by fsugrizz on Aug 4, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The other factor is that soime 3* we take

Are simply ranked 3* by a group of recruits from whatever film they see and prob dont spend hours looking at him. FSU can take a 3* kid that they have looked at. Seen something they love. Think whatever it is will fit him perfect for what they need. And he although ranked a 3* may fit in better and play better then a higher ranked kid for the use of him in the system. All schools are generally like that. But its pretty funny when your recruiting level is SO high that a 3* kid gets taken and people wonder why. Forgetting the coaches do their own analysis as well. And of course their are the 3* with great coaching who turn into 12th overall picks in the NFL draft

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also think Bud's comments were more about the timing.

Do you want to announce on ESPN in front of a national audience for FSU, or do you want to commit to miami, where nobody will even no you committed until reading about it the next day on a competitors blog?

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was announced on our sites, including ITU, within 2 hours of him verballing. Im not sure where yall are getting this from that we didnt know until yesterday??

by PSLCane on Aug 4, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Relax...

it was an exaggeration. I didn’t know until today, which was my point*. I expected you to know.

  • point continued: Every college football fan in the country knew that Winston committed to us yesterday. I don’t believe you’re guy even got an honorable mention on the show?

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes but once again our section was wrong.
Not only did we know right away but the Wells kid isn’t coming and never had a commitable offer, he made it up. I’d wait for a retraction but we all know how that goes…..

by PSLCane on Aug 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

UCF and South Fla

will be assuming all recruiting territories going forward. These teams should make a nice transition.

Go Noles!

by Old Buc on Aug 4, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

With Holtz at USF and UCF in the Big East (if it happens), I could definitely see both challenging UM for 3rd best in state.

May never actually surpass Miami, but will make it a lot tougher for them.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they are recruiting like a small ACC school either.

Much, much better. Wake, Duke, and BC would love Miami’s class this year. But they have some, repeat some, momentum with the promises of a new coach, which is how it works and should work. Though it is obvious that this class will not save them in 2012 with the last two classes being troublesome/bad. It will be the 2013 class that will wind up being the most important to UM’s recovery at this point. If they manage to win decent amount of games, and get the same or better class, and the coaching staff is solid, then there is reason to believe Miami could be seeing FSU twice a year, one being in a rematch of the ACC championship game. If, IF they are able to do with their talent what VT does with their level of talent, no reason to believe they can’t win their division.

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 4, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thankyou

onebarrelum…I can understand ho poor our class looks to FSU and UFs, but Miami is still recuiting better than Duke, Wake Forest, UVA, BC, hell even Virginia Tech. No matter what FSU does, WE CAN STILL WIN THE COASTAL DIVISION AND COMPETE FOR BCS BOWLS. The other thing is that I keep hearing all this talk about how amazing the facilities, and the Doak experience is but one thing I think some FSU fans need to remember is that Miami has some major benefits UF and FSU can’t offer: it is located in a major metropolis w/south beach minutes away. This is a BIG DEAL to some recruits (see Seantrel Henderson). I mean, just from a college life standpoint, attending UF and FSU compared to UM are two different experiences altogether. There will always be some kids that want the bright lights of the big city instead of the more homely college-town feel. Or put a different way, would rather spend their saturday night at Mansion than Bullwinkles. Both institutions are excellent and will continue to be but they have VERY different things to offer kids outside football.

by Uknowit2309 on Aug 4, 2011 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if we beat you twice in a season?
No matter what FSU does, WE CAN STILL WIN THE COASTAL DIVISION AND COMPETE FOR BCS BOWLS

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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 5, 2011 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

If that happens,

then we were still one win away from a BCS berth. Hence, competing for a BSC bowl.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe like Texas

when they couldn’t get over the Oklahoma hurdle.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

keep out of this CaneRes

I want to hear what a normal Cane thinks, CAP lock and all

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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 5, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha. Rec

seriously, do ‘normal’ cane fans have a function that they can select on their key boards that randomly capitalizes letters?

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by onebarrelrum on Aug 5, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

NorFla_Nole

To you, what is a “normal Cane fan?”

by Uknowit2309 on Aug 7, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

CaneRes

Gave a good example

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by NorFla_Nole on Aug 7, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry....this just comes across like the Browns chanting "Super Bowl" in the preseason.
WE CAN STILL WIN THE COASTAL DIVISION AND COMPETE FOR BCS BOWLS.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 5, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am tellin u guys

I respect the Noles I really do. Hell I go to law school with a ton of them. But its funny to me how so many of you guys think the U is done for and will only win 6-7 games for the forseeable future, and USF and UCF will pass us by in the next 5 years. Miami is struggling but we are not dead. I could easily see us winning 9-10 games this year and compting for a coastal division championship. Godd luck to the Noles I hope they do well and represent the ACC but man you guys can’t really think Miami is THAT BAD can you?

by Uknowit2309 on Aug 7, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are not outrecruiting UVA

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by Bud Elliott on Aug 6, 2011 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bud,

as of right now ESPN and Rivals boths have us with a higher rated class than UVA. Do u see UVA finishing with a hgher rated class than the Hurricanes upon signing day? I certainly don’t.

by Uknowit2309 on Aug 7, 2011 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha! What a F'n Dortchbag.

"Coach Fisher just told me to not put any pressure on myself, just be E.J. He said if I'm myself, that's more than enough for us to be successful this year."

by Chief03 on Aug 4, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he's apparently the only decent coach that liked him.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't be an issue if this weren't such a frequent occurrence for your recruiting class, where guys have few impressive offers.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lets wait until NSD before final assessment. Like a bass fishing tournament, there is expected to be some culling in this class…….

by PSLCane on Aug 4, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bass fishing?

So what you’re saying is you have your line in the water hoping you catch a big one?

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cant catch a big one without line in the water now can you?

and culling term is predominantly used in bass fishing so thats why the analogy use.

by PSLCane on Aug 4, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

the word cull is used in anything dealing with weeding out undesirable characteristics of livestock or wildlife

Ever heard of culling the herd?

except if miami’s recruiting class was the herd you’d have a bunch of dead livestock laying around with bullets in their heads because you always shoot the weak first

"Kill a fly with an axe"

by SteadfastNole on Aug 4, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why take those guys at all then?

Am I going to wait for NSD like we waited for it last year? You guys were going nuts over all the guys Golden talked into taking a free trip to South Beach. You landed like 3 of them.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Butch has proven

He can spot talent. UNC and UM. You don’t need anyone else.

by MeBeFirst on Aug 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Every 2* he ever recruited turned into a stud.

I forgot.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Bud,

The list of our commits on the side bar needs to be updated… I think it’s just missing our last two.

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by GoNoles56 on Aug 4, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Reading the Clemson preview just enraged me

Every time I remember that the ACC scheduled FSU to play Clemson the week after Oklahoma, I wonder how the commissioner still has a job.

by Distance on Aug 4, 2011 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I was as mad as anyone when that schedule came out but

I could see us looking back and thanking the comish for that one. Clemson has some rebuilding to do and we get them pretty early in that rebuilding process. New QB, new OC, and a new d-line. We’ll see though, 2-2 would be a disaster start in the eyes of the common fan. And we’ll even to most of us I am sure.

by Blake Davis on Aug 4, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t think they’ll really have time to work on things during the AU game, where our system has been in place for years.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it works out in our favor,

by accident and no credit whatsoever to the ACC, though. Catching CU early might be the best time.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

As opposed to what, though?

I agree that catching them early is good, but I’d much prefer to be playing them the week before OU or at least with a buffer week after OU.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, it's not ideal

but it’s also not the worst atrocity I’ve seen. Sure, it’d be better to play a week later, or two weeks before OU. But, catching them in Sept. should be an advantage.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I consider it almost a wash

Advantages of playing them in September are almost negated by having to play them the week after a cage match with the best team in the country in my mind.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 4, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we get physically beaten up (injuries)

I’d agree. But, I find it very hard to believe we’ll be emotionally/mentally/whatever drained in Sept…..even after a game against OU. JMO.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would probably agree

If it weren’t the ultimate-level hyped, prime-time clash of the titans heralded as the best OOC game of the year. I think that lends itself to a letdown regardless of the timing.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about the day of the game

It’s about the week of preparation. I’m not a real believer in one team trying harder than another on game day.

>>---l>

by DKfromVA on Aug 4, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the many discussions about heart.

At the risk of restarting that fire, I agree with you for the most part.

My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.

by Jamil Dawson on Aug 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I think

people are so pissed off about the overall schedule that they fail to notice any advantage, even if it doesn’t out-weigh the disadvantage. If that makes any sense.

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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 4, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

like 3 of our 1st 4 teams running HUNH?

we should be ready for it by the time we get to death valley and they are new to that O, so… could be an easier game than some are expecting maybe? cautiously optimistic on that one, just a silver lining

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by DownByTheRiverWalkinOnWater on Aug 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hadn't considered that they might be a bit rough around the edges that early in the season

I just see this nightmare scenario playing out where we lose a close one to OU, follow it up with a physical match up against a team that has traditionally owned us at home, and come out flat.

by Distance on Aug 4, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should feel better than Clemson fans b/c

Clemson plays the following teams 3 consecutive weeks: Auburn, FSU, VT. #swoffordsux

Championship!

by TLHWG on Aug 4, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's the price we paid

for not wanting to play UM on labor day.

by FSU5410 on Aug 4, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

#wewouldhavesteamrolledthemonlaborday

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seminoles.com OL preview

No mention of Prestwood anywhere… a simple omission or reason for concern?

by reznik1979 on Aug 4, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

Can’t believe I missed that

by reznik1979 on Aug 4, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt know he also went backk to ND either

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

this may be his intention

but i don’t think that’s happened…

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

With him as an EE as well

I thought it might happen after the transfer back of Mommas boy. But thought he would gut it out

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno...

I can find articles from june where he left the school and notre dame proclaimed he is transferring there, but I can find no evidence of that actually happening…

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember the he was homesick rumors

But never thought anything came of it

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jameis is on the radio right now.

They asked him if a baseball team offered him 3 million dollars right now or a chance to win a Heisman/Championship. He went with Heisman/Championship.

FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
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by goatnole76 on Aug 4, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

well, that's not the kind of thing that Bama fans want to hear.

They’re consoling themselves on their boards with the following conventional wisdom:

UA backed off Winston because he wants to play baseball.

UA didn’t give Shanks a commitable offer, and he wanted to commit after the A-Day game and got his feelings hurt.

UA didn’t really go after Casher.

etc., ad nauseum.

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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 4, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is lying

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by RaysnNoles on Aug 5, 2011 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would take the 3 million dollars, use $200,000 to buy a Heisman/Championship.....and not look back.

…And I don’t even like baseball.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 5, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the norm is to use "~=" rather than "=/="

I mention it only because I’m ALL PSYCHED about the season and as always you did such a thorough job that there is such little room left to comment or add anything noteworthy.

by Cheaptalk on Aug 4, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't listen to the podcast, but I'm thinking
the pure, unadulterated excitement of the Randy Edsall era at Maryland.

was possibly written in a sarcastic manner.

One day soon I am going to see about buying one of those podcast listening gizmo machines.

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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.

by FrankDNole on Aug 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Just found out my seat assignment

Row 81…ouch.

Is that the top row? I can’t complain I guess, there’s not really a bad seat, though I’m not sure I’ve sat that high before. Other than that, they met my requests to be on the end.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

FYI, I’m not complaining. Got all the tickets at a good price through the TCC student discount (my wife).

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ya

mine aren’t that great either. But I’m happy.

Go Noles!

by Old Buc on Aug 4, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, if I'm going to be that high

I’d almost rather it be the very last row. You can sit under the boxes there and get some rain shelter.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

#Glaucoma

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by DRusso97 on Aug 5, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What section

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Aug 4, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

8

Student season tix, on the end/aisle though, so it’s closer to section 9 which is Priority 1. Not a bad deal.

by jasonole59 on Aug 4, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still a good section

should be about the 30 yard line

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Aug 5, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Antonio Morrison is listed as a 3 star by ESPN.

I notice that is the recruiting service y’all refer to the most.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 4, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

depends on the writer

Some here prefer Rivals. ESPN is used most commonly cause the average fan stopping and reading up prob reads ESPN as an almost pure source of sports news over other places. One reason the best comparison chart we have is the ACC color coded chart with all 4 major ranking services on it and where they are ranked average on their

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Scout, myself.

I don’t trust ESPN. My gut says if a prospect gives a verbal commitment to an SEC team, they get a bump. ESPN is all about ESPN.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

To many

5* on scout

'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'

by jskipnole on Aug 5, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is something I can't really wrap my head around.

Are 5 star players rated 5 star as compared to the other prospect in his class, or are they just rated by their overall ability? Is a 4 star from a great class as good as a 5 star from a weak class? Is there a certain amount of 5 star ratings that should be given out per year? What if there’s alot more elite players in one class than another? There can’t always be X number of elite players in a class, can there? I guess that’s why recruiting services are all over the place on some kids.

This would make a good discussion topic.

by Nole Resurrected on Aug 5, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would be a good discussion topic

Scout has the most 5*, hell ESPNU150’s only the top 9 are 5*.

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by jskipnole on Aug 5, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

that changes as well

ESPN has their ranking system. Some years the top ranked kid is a 90, some an 89, some a 95. I think their 5 stars are in whatever formula they use above an 87.xx grade. Cause that tends to be where you see 4 and 5 stars split on ESPN

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by caine115 on Aug 6, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be ok with 50-some 5* if it meant way less 4*.

Like, if you’re not in the top 250 or so then you shouldn’t be a 4*. I want to see 2* players that are legitimately rated 2*. I don’t want to see guys that the services failed to see/rate given an arbitrary 2* status. And WhereTF are the 1* players?

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by tricknole on Aug 5, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

At Bethune-Cookman.....where they belong.

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by DRusso97 on Aug 6, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dont forget the couple of under the radar

Diamonds in the rough UM makes sure to offer first and early. Statistically a 2* and lower has about a .3% chance of being an All American. Its just seeing what no one else sees in a kid. UM fans talk all about the 3* that are playing like 5* kids and how all are under the radar and better then all our players combined. Except Aguayo. Anyone that is a 5* at every position and snaps the ball to himself then kicks field goals while blocking at the same time is godish

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by caine115 on Aug 6, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

UNC/Clemson

To say that what transpired at UNC under Butch Davis is worse than what happened at Clemson in the late 70s/80s is debatable at best. Personally, I think it is flat wrong – Clemson was paying players and their head coach, athletic director, assistants, and boosters were all busted giving cash, paying players’ bills, flagrantly breaking rules. A summary is here.

If Chuck Oliver still wants to debate the relative merits of the two schools’ infractions, that’s fine. But to say that what UNC did “far surpasses” Clemson’s 70s/80s infractions is serious hyperbole and lacks perspective. It doesn’t require hyperbole to suggest that what the conference did in adding penalties to Clemson in the early 80s was an act of hypocrisy. The needless hyperbole, however, undermines Oliver’s case and makes it looks like he is just trying to score some cheap points. After all, Oliver isn’t seriously suggesting that the ACC should tack on extra penalties to UNC, is he? (No, of course he isn’t.)

by whodoes on Aug 4, 2011 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

I think his overall point is sound, especially because academic fraud was specifically involved in the UNC case.

But that particular statement is definitley a stretch.

by LouC on Aug 4, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its a stretch

But even though its never been allowed. The rules were not nearly as extensive and investigated as hard back then. It usually took a reporter with a real story. With info from a disgruntled source. And it seems that many teams had players with new cars and whatever in those times. It took major violations that were just to hard to over look. And even then was usually a punishment that was bad. But it wasnt till SMU being caught buying their players houses and cars on a level that after they were on major probation and punishment to change college football in a more severe way. Its debatable cause getting a car may not have even got you caught back then. A kid goes to dinner and has it paid for by someone else now and its a violation and can lead to severe ones. So although Clemson may have done worse. It wasn’t over the top worse then anyone else at the time.

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by caine115 on Aug 4, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I think the main point is SWOFFORD SUCKS.

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by tricknole on Aug 4, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like nobody respects us on any sites that aren't pro-FSU

It is complete bull, and you know if we loose to Oklahoma, that will be “proof” that we were “way overrated”. There are 8 SEC teams in the top 25. That is where we should start talking about overrated.

by Nole Patrol on Aug 4, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

2 teams in the preseason top 5 last season finished unranked...

the only preseason top 5 team that finished there was ohio st, and well… i guess they really didn’t…

by garnetandgold on Aug 4, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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