Will FSU's Jimbo Fisher Be The Next Second Year Coach To Win A National Championship?
With the start of the preseason training camp one day away, and with the #5 ranking in the coaches poll and a similar ranking (top 8) expected in the soon to be released AP poll, increasing the already heightened expectations for the 2011 Florida State football team by some of the more rabid and delusional fans is the last thing I want to accomplish with this post.
As a matter of fact, this might be a good time to revisit the Goals vs Expectations story that we discussed one year ago and see how it applies to this years team. Also if you have the time, you may enjoy reading some of the comments to see what difference a year under the "process" makes.
Before getting too far ahead and full of ourselves, it might be prudent for us to review the goal versus expectation concept so that we can keep it somewhere in the back of our minds as we as get to the actual point of this story. For this reprint I have changed the year, but the message remains the same.
14-0 should be our GOAL not only for 2011, but for every football season.OK 'nuff said, but what are our EXPECTATIONS for the 2011 FSU Seminoles?Everyone of us has a different idea about what will constitute a successful 2011 FSU football season. Many times our expectations are determined by blind homerism, where we perceive where we should be, or where we feel we, as Noles, deserve to be.All too often expectations are confused with goals and this can cause disillusionment with our team at the end of the season when unrealistic expectations are not met.Many people tend to use the words Goals and Expectations somewhat interchangeably. If you confuse the goals and expectations for our Noles for the 2011 season, you are probably setting yourself up for disappointment, heartache, and you risk becoming demoralized with your team and your coach(es).All too often we tend to shy away from setting realistic expectations. Many times this is due to the more negative perception of the word expectations, than that of word goals. Therefore, we may try to soften the blow by substituting goals with expectations.So what is the difference between goals and expectations?A goal is a specific, measurable, outcome-oriented activity or target to which you commit your efforts and you strive and work towards. It is the result of or an achievement toward which an effort is aimed. A goal is something that one would like to achieve sometime in the future, something to aim for, and something you put all your efforts to try to achieve.An expectation is a specific, reasonable, measurable, minimum standard of performance to which you commit your efforts. An expectation could be viewed as trust, anticipation, or having a degree of confidence that a certain attainable result will occur. Something that is hoped for, yet may or may not necessarily see fruition.Both goals and expectations should be achievable, but expectations must be realistically attainable and doable. That does not mean that they have to be easy, but without realistic expectations you are doomed to failure. Goals on the other hand, should stretch people more than expectations. They too should still be achievable even if it takes a Herculean effort to meet them.Based solely on these definitions, a goal and an expectation may seem very similar, however there are some key differences. Goals are either achieved or they’re not achieved. Expectations however, may be met or exceeded with varying levels of performance as you work towards your goal.We here at TN believe and preach in setting realistic and attainable expectations for our 2011 season, and we believe and preach that our return to dominance will be a process, and that the process >>(is greater than) the immediate results. We preach that FSU football is a work in progress, and that our return to relevance will not happen overnight, and it could possibly take a few years to see the results that we all want after a decade of neglect and mediocrity.
Keeping all of this in mind, now let's completely contradict everything previously written and dare to dream a little. After all, as fans this is our right and duty to do so.
During the last decade (the 2000's) plus one, four head coaches at major FBS (Div 1A) colleges have taken over programs mired in mediocrity, and during the second year of their tenure they went on to win the NCAA College Football National Championship.
They are:
They are:
Bob Stoops (2000)- Stoops took over in 1999 for John Blake, who had a combined W/L record of 12-22 during his 3 year stint as Sooner head coach. Despite his shortcomings as a coach, Blake was a very good recruiter and left Stoops with a decent and talented roster. The Sooners finished 7-5 during Stoops' first year as coach. During his second season, Oklahoma steamrolled through the regular season undefeated beating 4 ranked teams including #1 ranked Nebraska, won the Big 12 Championship game against #8 Kansas State, and capped off their spectacular season on that miserable January 3 night in the Orange Bowl Classic against our very own hapless Seminole team.
Jim Tressel (2002)- Tressel replaced John Cooper as the OSU coach in 2001. Cooper was fairly successful and had a combined W/L record of 111-43-4 during his 13 years as the Buckeye coach, but was fired for his dismal record against Michigan, his pitiful bowl record, and due to the lack of control over his players. Like Stoops, Tressel also finished his first season at OSU with a 7-5 record, but managed to beat Michigan as promised during his hiring press conference, and this was enough to appease the Buckeye loyal. During Tressel's second season as head coach, the Buckeyes finished the season undefeated and went on to beat Miami in the exciting double-overtime win for the National Championship in the Fiesta Bowl.
Urban Meyer (2006)- In 2005 Meyer took over for Ron Zook. Zook, despite not having a losing season did not meet expectations and was fired during the season, but was allowed to finish coaching the remainder of the season. Zook however was a very good recruiter and left Meyer a very talented and deep team. In his first season, Meyer guided the team to a 9-3 record. During his second season, despite suffering a mid-season loss to Auburn, the Gators finished with a 13-1 record and beat Ohio State for the National Championship.
Gene Chizik (2010)- Chizik took over for Tommy Tuberville in 2009. Tuberville, a barely over .500 coach, resigned after a 5-7 season and a brutal spanking by arch-rival Alabama. Chizik is the third coach on this list to finish their first year as head coach with 5 losses. Despite the record, Chizik was able to land a top 5 recruiting class, buy a JUCO transfer QB along the way, and then finished his second season with a perfect 14-0 record after kicking their way past Oregon in the BCS National Championship game.
Jimbo Fisher (2011?)- Fisher replaced Bobby Bowden following the 2009 season after the Noles struggled to become bowl eligible. Fisher has a distinct advantage over the other 4 coaches on this list. That is, he was able to observe the program for 3 years before taking over as head coach. In his first season, Fisher also had more wins (10) than any of the other coaches on this list. Whether these two factors will be enough to add Fisher to this list of recent second year coaches to win the National Championship remains to be seen.
However, the common denominators these 5 coaches all share are:
- They assembled a top-notch staff of assistant coaches and tremendous recruiters as soon as they were hired.
- They inherited a talented roster of players.
- They were given the authority to make the necessary changes and implement their processes as they saw fit.
- They all started their tenures with very good recruiting classes and were able to land some elite recruits.
- They all coach at programs with rich and long histories of football success.
Now, is it my expectations that the Noles are "back" and that Jimbo Fisher's 2011 squad is going to win or even compete for the national championship? No, that would be setting unrealistic expectations.
Regardless, should this be the teams goal this year and every year? Absolutely.
Does Fisher's 2011 team have a chance of reaching the BCS championship game and winning it? Again, absolutely.
After finally winning the ACC Atlantic Division for the first time since 2005, after finally winning 10 games for the first time since 2003, after finally getting the defensive front seven to an elite playing weight, and after finally getting some depth along the defensive line, the Noles certainly are capable of exceeding expectations.
However, those expectations should be set at winning the Atlantic Division, winning the ACC Championship, and getting back to a BCS bowl game, rather than expecting Jimbo Fisher to be the next head coach to win the championship title in only his second year as head coach.
Winning it all in his third year? Well that's a whole different story. Stay tuned.
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Great work here
FSU’s defensive situation may have been unique, though, compared to the other teams listed.
What are you glorifying with your life?
How do you mean, that we were worse off defensively than any of the other 4?
If that is what you mean, then hell yeah. Talent, scheme, everything changed.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I don't expect a National Championship this year
I realistically can see 3 losses…Hopefully we have one of those “Magical” type years that every break just goes our way and we do win it all that, would be GREAT!
"Expectations are high and you can't run from expectations"-Jimbo Fisher
by WinstonSalemNole on Aug 7, 2011 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
who is the third one?
I am assuming OU and Clemson, is it VT in ACCCG?
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he feels Wake based on where he is :)
VT is interesting. Very good run game, but is this QB turned TE turned back to QB going to be good? It’s interesting looking at the ACC, so many team’s performance hinges on their 1st year QBs.
Hang on to the roof!
Maybe 3 is a stretch...
But Florida, isn’t a guarantee, The Swamp, Rivalry game, and they do have talent….
"Expectations are high and you can't run from expectations"-Jimbo Fisher
by WinstonSalemNole on Aug 7, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
unless they establish their QB play, i don't see them as a challenge
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Brantley should be a lot more suited for Weis's offense than Meyer's (he just never looked suited for it in the games I saw)...
After last year, it may be tough for him to get his confidence up to where it had been—it will be interesting to see what happens.
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Brantley will fail
But it won’t be his fault. Brantley has a lot to overcome.
1. Did Meyer’s staff help him develop good QB fundamentals? Maybe? All I know is that he wasn’t demonstrating good QB fundamentals last year. I’m thinking that he’s behind in development because he got stuck in a bad situation.
B. New offensive scheme. QBs in college (or even the NFL for that matter) need time to understand the system and study it. He’s going to be easy to trip up with coverages and blitz schemes all year. 1 summer is not enough to get REALLY ready to handle what DC throw at him. You can’t stick a guy in a new passing scheme and expect him to play like an upperclassman. But, hey, miracles happen and maybe the game planning will cover his lack of flexibility.
How is his self-confidence? He’s been trashed in G-ville from the moment he proved to not be a stud QB. How does he rebound from a bad game, even if the game is a fluke? I doubt he even gets half a bad game before the media/blogs/newspaper/radio callin shows start destroying him publicly. Can he shrug it off and play well down the line? I am confident that EJ can handle a bad game, but I’m not confident that Brantley can. Does the coaching staff freak and replace him with a back up?preventable using a2d...
but while i think brantley is a talented qb and made for the new system…
you have to wonder if he can make up for his coaching before weis arrived…
by garnetandgold on Aug 8, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
All good points,
I think he is a good kid and hate to see when the fans get on these guys (it can happen with any fanbase). I have seen Jarrett Lee who was an espn 150 qb get thrown in early in his career on the road at Auburn when he was not ready and for a lot of the rest of the season and have the fans tear him up and he lost his confidence big time. Maybe never has regained it, but I applaud him for sticking with it and he did help out last year in big moments against UF and Bama last year when he number was called and he will be around this year also.
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
*last year when his number was called and he will be around this year also.
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
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GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
I don't mind it in gainesville... let people see how awful those fans can be...
i feel bad for him because he never wanted to go there in the first place and his dad convinced him to go…
he’d have fit in SO much better at Texas…
by garnetandgold on Aug 8, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
As much as I want to crush them and scUM, with these 2 rivalry game you can throw most everything out the window.
They are still a very talented team, as is scUM.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
^This
^That
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Not only that Frank
But last year was the first time since 1999 that we won the state championship. Its just a hard thing to do, and a reason why I put 9-3 as expectation as well - though I do think we’ll beat that GoldenChump @ss next year.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
florida is very very thin on both offensive and defensive lines. they are really going to struggle late in the season.
by Cjones6121 on Aug 7, 2011 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A little more talent than UM but....
Let’s look at the comparisons between UF and FSU. QB-fsu>Uf. RB- talent wise its close but system wise fsu>Uf. Demps and rainey don’t fit pro style. O-line-fsu>Uf. D-line – Fsu>Uf. Linebackers-fsu>Uf. And secondary is not even close Fsu>Uf. And special teams Fsu>Uf. Coaching staff Fsu>Uf that is easy just because Uf has a new staff. So the only reason Uf has a chance is that it’s in the swamp. Other than that I wouldn’t be surprised to see a similar game as last years embarrassing blowout. In the UM game wouldn’t be surprised to see a blowout similar to last years game either.
by FSU@UNF on Aug 8, 2011 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
QB-fsu>Uf. RB- talent wise its close but system wise fsu>Uf. Demps and rainey don’t fit pro style. O-line-fsu>Uf. D-line – Fsu>Uf. Linebackers-fsu>Uf. And secondary is not even close Fsu>Uf. And special teams Fsu>Uf. Coaching staff Fsu>Uf that is easy just because Uf has a new staff.
WR’s?
Other than that I don’t even know what to say. I am without speech. I have no speech.
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The Gates have always recruited well and have plenty of talent on the team.
Like the Noles, much of the talent is young b/c so many of your guys went to the NFL early and departed when Tebow and Meyer left. They’ll have new systems, which is always a challenge. I think our coaches and players will have this more realistic view when they enter the Swamp where we haven’t won for quite a while—even if we beat OU and are undefeated when we arrive, the guys on the field will have a healthy respect for their foe.
This is much better. And very true.
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You could have just said FSU players, coaches, fans, stadium, and program > UF's, and saved some time.
It’s not bragging if it’s the truth, right FlaGators? ;-)
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
True. But…I’m not so sure what you said is truth.
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I don't expect a national championship this year...
However, if luck and injuries and things outside of fsu’s control all went our way, and players played above expectations and got into the title game and won it, I’d be WAY less surprised than I was to see auburn do it last year.
If the noles can win the ACC championship and lose only 1 or 2 acc games, I’ll be quite happy… anything more would be incredible.
After week 3, I may have a VERY different expectations for the rest of the season…
Why week 3? You don't think you will know any Sooner?
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
garnetandgold may not know any Sooner
but after week 3, every Sooner will know us!
He's not sure we'll have that wagon rolling.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
by SoCalNole on Aug 8, 2011 8:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol...
actually, it’s not so much about us or oklahoma…
waiting for week 3 is more about clemson, nc state, miami and uf…
as it stands I have NO idea what to expect from them…
by garnetandgold on Aug 8, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Week 3 is huge. It doesn't kill us if we lose, but the significance of a win against the #1 team in the nation on national t.v would be hard to overstate.
How many times have we even played the #1 team in the country, let alone beet them. It’s not exactly something that happens every day, year, or decade for that matter. It is also not a small thing to host the #1 team in th country. A win like that is as big as it gets, excluding a championship game. And after the stomping they gave us last year, it would be that much better. As long a E.J.Manuel is healthy we got a real shot, and Landry Jones is as important to them as E.J is to us. We will not be favored, and we shouldn’t be, that’s part of what would make it so big
I look at this game a lot like the bowl game against U.S.C.e last year, only bigger. A lot of our own fans didn’t gave us a shot in that game, and many said it didn’t matter if we won or not. I disagreed with both of those statements. The tenor of the conversations surrounding this off-season would be a lot different had we lost that game, and the outlook going forward after a win against the #1 team in the nation would be something that we have not had in Tally in quite sometime. This game is a huge opportunity that doesn’t come along often.
To answer one of my own questions above, I believe Florida was #1 when we played them two years ago.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I see FSU finishing at 11-3
However, if FSU beats Oklahoma, I would like to change my prediction to 14-0.
by maxdeezal on Aug 7, 2011 8:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That doesn't make the Clemson or BC games any easier.
2011 BCS Bowl
2012 MNC
Eeeeeeexcellent
by SoCalNole on Aug 8, 2011 8:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On paper one could make the argument that Jimbo
is positioned even better than the 4 HCs you mention that won a BCS title in year 2. The 5 bulleted items do apply to Jimbo’s Noles, but there are 2 other things that would seem to give us an even better opportunity to win it all:
1. Jimbo was a HCIW, which made his transition to HC more efficient than any of the other guys, e.g., Jimbo knew the players (strengths, weaknesses, etc.) better than any other the other 4 HCs b/c Jimbo was familiar with his players longer.
2. In his first year as HC, Jimbo had more wins (10) than any of the other 4 HCs:
- Stoops had 7 wins in 1999 losing to Mississippi in a bowl game;
- Tressel had 7 wins in 2001 losing to S. Carolina in a bowl game;
- Meyer won 9 games and beat Iowa in a bowl game;
- Chizick won 8 games and beat Northwestern in a bowl game.
So the point here is that (in terms of W/L only) Jimbo has his team performing at a higher level than any of these HCs did in their 1st year. And if the process is real, this means that in year 2 the team should start the season performing at the level that they finished in year 1 and continue to improve over the course of year 2.
Now, this is on paper only. There were unique circumstances in each national championship (which included luck, Cam Newton, etc.). Also I doubt any of these 4 HCs had to play the pre-season #1 team during the regular season.
Last, it wouldn’t surprise me if Jimbo followed in the footsteps of his teacher (Savan) and won a title in year 3.
Championship!
p.s.
IMO goes 11-1 during the regular season, losing only to OU. Then they win the ACCCG.
Championship!
Read what is written beside JF's name.
Frank mentioned the HCIW and the 10 wins.
Actually Auburn had to play the preseason #1 team in the regular season. Alabama.
And Id be willing to bet one of the others had to as well, but don’t know for sure w/o researching
by jenolesone on Aug 7, 2011 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So does anyone else think that Jimbo is in better position to win a BCS title
than the other 4 HCs who did it? If not, why not? Oklahoma, etc.?
Championship!
No.
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don't take it personally
I’m sure everyone—including reasonable people—said “no” to Stoops, Tressel, Meyer & Chizik.
Championship!
Exactly.
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haha
I don’t know how you can watch auburn do what they did last year and not think this is possible…
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ isn’t Cam.
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or cheated on anything
"We have to start over. We have to develop our own identity, our own chemistry, our own unity, our own vision of where we want to go...This is just the beginning. Because remember one thing – I tell you all the time: Boys do what they want to do. Champions do what they’ve got to do. " CJF
Haha. True.
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But he hasn’t done much to this point, even in garbage time.
/butthenagainneitherdidscam
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I disagree as well,
you’re looking at QB that has played in some very meaningful games, taken a descent number of snaps, i would say the only reason he wasn’t as polished as Ponder when he went in is because CJF dialed back the play book a bit and didn’t really give him any creative license with the offense, not to mention having to come in on a moments notice most of the time which is always hard because of rhythm.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
CJF?
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Ahhh. Fisher. Nevermind.
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and he missed his first two springs...
but he was the mvp of the gator bowl so that’s something…
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He has thrown more INT’s than TD’s. So I guess you’re right. ;-)
/again,saythingthatwhilefullyacknowledgingthatbrantleysucksworse
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i would say that is the only stat you could hang your hat on, and that I think goes to rhythm with the receivers and coming in cold.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This is true. And that plays a big part in it I know.
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Interceptions be damned
his QB rating is outstanding.
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 8, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If EJ had the easy wins and reps he would look outstanding on paper.
I mean when your losses are UF at the swamp with Teblow as qb in their Nat Championship year….you’re not terrible. The other losses are VT in the acc Championship etc. I would say 2 bowl wins says it all. With time and reps in practice…EJ is a 5 star.
I agree with that, but
Teblow didn’t play defense.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 8, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
No he didn't, but Florida's defense was outstanding.
Having Tebow on the opposing offense put a lot of pressure on E.J to get T.Ds and not F.Gs, and that was a factor. I made the point further up that a win against the #1 team in the nation is no small accomplishment, and to have pulled that one off would have really been something.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
But look at the progression.
in his first year relieving ponder he wasn’t quite ready and threw 2 TD’s to 6 INT’s. he was a red shirt freshman. Last year in garbage time, 2 tough starts, and relief of ponder in the Chick-fil-a bowl he threw 4 TD’s and 4 INT’s. one of which was a fluke pick 6 in the VT game that seems more and more impossible the more I watch it. TD’s went up, INT’s went down. He made great progress from freshman to sophomore year. and with all the starts this year his stats will increase further. You should be worried about Manuel.
by stop drop & nole on Aug 8, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe, I’ll buy that. Maybe. But no, at this point, I’m not worried about Manuel at all.
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That's understandable.
If yall had a qb that had only started a few games I wouldn’t really be worried about him either. I think that it is fair to say though, that by the time we come to the swamp you may be worried about.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And that could very well happen.
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He's led us to a last second win over Clemson in Death Valley
Won coach Bowden his last bowl game vs. WV, took over for Ponder vs. S Cal, among other wins. He’s done quite a lot for us.
Hang on to the roof!
I think Ponder threw more INTs than TDs before becoming our full time
starter as well. When it became his team, he took over, like I believe EJ will do.
Hang on to the roof!
But the numbers aren’t really all that correct?
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Depends on the picks too
I recall a few picks due to Reliford not running the correct routes. He’s not been perfect, but he’s shown enough for most of us to be comfortable with him.
Hang on to the roof!
See, y’all know it better than I do. I haven’t really watched him all that closely. I think I’ve seen him play only a couple of times. So I haven’t seen him as much as y’all have obviously. Just throwing out my opinion as an outside observer at this point.
It is people like me, that he surprises, and then gets a lot of love. Which in turn helps the team in the polls, awards…etc.
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There's also something to be said for knowing you're the guy
I think he gets better with the whole team behind him. Not sure if that would’ve helped Brantley out last year, but it couldn’t have helped not knowing that the team was not “his”
Hang on to the roof!
That’s fair as well. Pressure is off, you get to take the OL out to dinner before the season knowing those are your guys…all that good stuff.
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brantly just wasn't made for that offense...
wies will suit him far better
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Brantley might get robbed.
I know a lot of UF fans are pulling for the underclassman and they have a point in looking to the future but Brantley is a pro style qb. There is a reason he beat all of teblows records and was recruited by everyone in the world.
Watch last season again and when they aren’t gimmick qb every play Brantley is a stud. LSU says it all. That kid had that game won! Miracle trick play and they blew it.
Might end up being another Leak/Tebow situation
Leak was the better QB but got hosed because Tebow was the big time prospect. Not saying this Driskel kid is worse than Brantley, but Brantley is probably better suited for this team to be his this year.
Hang on to the roof!
his number's definitely aren't that great
But I think that they will improve with him getting more comfortable with the first team offense. He has shown that in pressure situations he will come through, and I think that is the most important thing to take out of playing time so far.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically, he is the anti-Xavier Lee?
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Aw man Xavier Lee
if that guy had half the coaching Ponder and Manuel have had…. brings tears to my eyes.
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Outer space would have been the limit for him.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I had the undue distinction of playing against him in a highschool playoff game,
dude was amazing, it helped he had Eric Weems to throw to, and the year prior that i had to go to daytona in the playoffs and play against Buster Davis.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That feeling right there…is our Ron Zook years. So much talent wasted on piss-poor coaching.
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You only had to deal with three years.
We had a decade.
Yeah, but in that decade y’all won 10 games once and 9 games a few times.
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In the decade we went:
8–4
9–5
10–3
9–3
8–5
7-6
7-6
9–4
7–6
We watched our two biggest rivals win THREE national championships, while we only won THREE ACC championships.
You’re administration acted quickly; ours (for obvious reasons that would’ve made it hard for the Gators to do the same if you were in a similar situation) did not.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree. I’ve said it on here before that the reason why it happened at FSU was because it was Bobby. Same thing could happen at Penn State. That is the only other school that has that scenario.
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Not at Penn State
b/c they acted by retooling the assistants after a few bad years in the early 2000s (IIRC one of the axed assistants was a Paterno).
Galen Hall!
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I don’t know if anything was going to cure Lee.
If you remember he actually got some Jimbo coaching in 2007 and ascended to the starting job after that miraculous 2nd half against Alabama…and promptly decided to quit going to class.
Being blunt, I think he was a f&@# up that probably wouldn’t even be recruited by the current staff.
Possibly, but think of it like this
The discaplie under coach Bowden left a lot to be desired. Not so under coach Fisher. Perhaps he would have been “corrected” and been more mature by the time we would have counted on him. Not sure, don’t know him personally.
Hang on to the roof!
5-star Florida QB ...
not even recruited by the current staff?
That’s a big reach to make a point …
They would have recruited him – crazy not to. He didn’t pan out. That doesn’t mean you avoid buying the 5 star lottery ticket.
If he'd would've had half the coaching they had,
he probably wouldn’t have listened anyway. Just a bad seed.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 8, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
haha yes great analogy.
He is a great kid who has a very good head on his shoulders. Trying not to sound completely like a homer, but I really just can’t see it where he doesn’t succeed. He just has everything Jimbo wants in a qb.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I have noticed that he has said all the right things thus far.
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But does he have Cam's smile?
I swear, his smile, got him alot of extra heisman votes.
If E.J. can say all the right things and smile like Cam, he’ll win the Heisman in a landslide.
by Nole Resurrected on Aug 8, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
his numbers ARE great
when the pressure’s on: 7 of 7 and a TD to beat the SEC East champ.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 7, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ hasn't done much?
In his limited time in 2010, he racked up the 2nd highest uAYA among ACC QBs, behind only Tyrod Taylor (explanation of uAYA found here: http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/3/31/2065970/predicting-2011s-best-college-quarterback
uAYA accounts for both TOs and TDs and EJ does quite well. Expect only better in 2011
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Tyrod Taylor doesn’t scare me either.
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Doesn't scare me either..
The only reason FSU lost to VTech last year is due to a lack of depth. Our defense was exhausted. With a proper roster filled out, that’s a different game, even taking the new system the D had to learn into account.
Tyrod’s physically gifted, but he can’t throw the touch passes, and he’s not there mentally. Not sure EJ will get there mentally, of course, but he flashed a lot more in two seasons subbing for Ponder than I’ve ever seen from Tyrod.
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- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
He's a Biomedical Engineering major
I think he’ll get there mentally
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Could go either way still.
I agree that having a major that requires you to be fairly sharp intellectually probably boosts your odds, but it’s not necessarily the case. Some guys never fully become “football-smart”. Likewise, there are plenty of guys who were dumber than bricks academically but incredible QBs.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
I agree with you that book smarts doesn't guaranty football smarts.
I have to add to your comment that a major in Biomedical Engineering is “a major that requires you to be fairly sharp intellectually”. You need to be fairly sharp intellectually just to understand what a Biomedical Engineer even does.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, let me rephrase my previous comment:
I don’t think having a difficult subject to study boosts your odds, rather that being able to tolerate a difficult major is perhaps an indicator of an intellectual capacity that would make you more likely to succeed at QB.
In short: I think it should lend some confidence.
But, again, plenty of the all-time greats had the academic abilities of a rock.
And I could probably venture a decent guess as to what a biomed engineer does. :)
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
by Drew J Jones on Aug 12, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
...adding:
And I agree with you.
"Words ought to be a little wild for they are the assault of thought on the unthinking."
- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
by Drew J Jones on Aug 12, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Obvious counterpoint: Marino.
Great QB, but I think he got a -7 on the Wonderlic and majored in basket weaving or something.
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- John Maynard Keynes
"We'll be here 'til midnight. We ain't not gonna practice."
- Jimbo Fisher
I would say that it is definitely possible.
Probable? No. Auburn got the benefit of a freak of an athlete who was a huge surprise to the SEC. Nobody saw him coming on the way he did, there wasn’t really film on him and by the time there was he had his offense rolling and people just couldn’t stop it. And they also had plenty of lucky breaks, it really was just a perfect storm for Auburn.
Now could a perfect storm happen for FSU? Sure. But to expect one this season is wrong imo. I will say that FSU winning a nc this year would be less of a surprise than Auburn winning it last year. Our defense is going to be much better imo.
But I would love for them to surprise me and prove me wrong :)
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus they got Oregon who were inferior in in the trenches.
If we were to get say an Alabama, it would be a much tougher time for us than an Oregon. Not saying Oregon sucks or anything, but I’d feel comfortable with our lineman doing work against them.
Hang on to the roof!
I agree with you
I think that it speaks volume as to how good Oregon really was that they were almost able to pull that game out, even though they were so inferior in the trenches.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Can’t blame you on that one. Oregon can’t beat any team that is built like that.
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the "trench" inferiority is true but what I most noticed was the undisciplined play of Oregon's secondary, particularly one of their safeties (sorry can't remember which one)
I remember watching the game and thinking that their secondary looked atrocious.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to submit a variant of the "goals and expectations"..."expectations and reality"
I expect them to go 14-0 this year and win the MNC, but I would also say that reality would say that we will go .500 between OU and CLEM, and probably lose a game we should have won (ala UNC, NCSTATE) last year. I would predict the reality that we go 11-3 and take the ACCCG and go the a BSC game and win it.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
Good analysis but I have to disagree...
We will be a lot more disciplined team coupled with a lot more depth. Most of our issues last year were that we just started running out of gas, specifically at the D-line. By the time we played UNC, and NC State (games we still should’ve won) our D-line was playing half-injured and without energy. Our depth at D-line this year will resolve all of those issues and we will not have to worry about players running out of gas. We will not be giving up the deep ball like we did at the UNC game with our corners being more “seasoned” and our safeties getting a “HUGE” upgrade with Joyner in charge of the deep field. As long as our team takes it one game at a time and EJ brings that confidence like Cam forced fed Auburn, we will be unbeatable… It’s all mental
agreed. you think the mental strength to handle OU and CLEM and come out victors is there?
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that we lose one we shouldn’t.
Look around today’s CFB, almost all teams drop a game they shouldn’t lose.
and then again, maybe that one is Clemson, because on paper we have them, but that might be the one.
as long as it isn’t scUM or the Gators, I don’t think i would be that upset.
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, we've also had a hell of a time with mobile QBs.
Boyd is a mobile QB, though nowhere near as disciplined as Wilson or Taylor.
Hang on to the roof!
i think this had to do with our defensive weaknesses,
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i think this year they will be vastly improved against mobile quarterbacks
due to better, bigger defensive line
better under standing of stoops zone responsibilities
joyner effectively covering way more space allowing moody/parks to focus on the los
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say BC
Play on Sat, three days off and a days travel to Boston to play on a thus night…..dreaded thursday nights that favor the underdog by about 1 million percent!
That's about...
where I have us in terms of expectations: 11-3 or 12-2 finishing in top 10. We’re capable of winning the whole things, but there’s a lot of unpredictable stuff along the way (injures to Manuel, Hopkins or LB core).
by FSU on Aug 7, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the O-Line.
All are scary.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep. You know, Hopkins actually really frightens me because he’s such a weapon. No one ever thinks about kickers unless they’re bad or they’re injured.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I have been an FSU fan for a good while now, believe me, I think about kickers far too much.
Yes, I would like to see Hopkins stop running down the field trying to make the tackle.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right...
Let rephrase – Any other fan base besides FSU & the Buffalo Bills doesn’t think about kickers.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
YES!
That would be correct.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of what you say makes sense, but I can't agree with your terminology.
Of course you are free to call it what you wish, but I can’t expect them to go 14-0 and win the NC. That goes against the whole goal vs expectations concept. But again, to each his own.
11-3 would be a one game improvement over last year, and as long as it includes winning the ACCCG, I’m OK with.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
11-3 sounds pretty good, esp w/ an ACC title
It’s getting close to the point where 10 wins is the “expectation” at FSU. It would be difficult to expect much over that on average (though if most our best juniors stay, 2012 is a good year to expect a lot more).
Between uf, Clem, even UM, random other ACC foe having a good year, ACC CG and bowl opponent, there will always be opportunities to lose multiple games (esp w/ unfortunately timed, inconvenient injuries). If we go .500 in those matches, which I think we should most years (often better than .500), then we’d have our 10 wins. And that’s pretty darn solid, year in and year out. Toss in occasional BCS CG appearances (and wins), and I’d be a happy Nole.
11-3 with the ACC title and a Jan visit (and win) to JRS makes Frankie a happy boy.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Yeah or some other corporatation to be named later name.
But it will always be JRS to me. Named after the man who put up $$ and told the city and county to shove it, and because of my friendship with fellow Archbishop Curley alumni, sons Tim and Danny.
F*ck Wayne Huizenga for allowing the names to be changed.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
good approach, Frank.
Couple of other factors to consider:
- How experienced was the QB in year 2
- How tough was the SOS in year 2
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That would be interesting to find out? Any takers?
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I'll bite
OU in 2000: Josh Heupel (Senior; 2nd year starter)
OSU in 2002: Craig Krenzel (Junior, played against Michigan yr 1, but really a 1st year starter)
UF in 2006: Chris Leak (Senior, multi-year starter)
Bama in 2009: Greg McElroy (Junior, 1st year starter)
So...
EJ has 1/2 year more experience than two and 1/2 year less than another. Against a lot of tough defenses. To paraphrase Meatloaf, having almost the same experience of three out of four ain’t bad.
(Although he did miss a couple springs, right?)
I think EJ will be seeing paradise by the dashboard lights.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
and cam had 12 career division 1 pass attempts entering his championship season
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And they both were well paid
Krenzel, likely in Trident Layers…Cam in dolla bills.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 7, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the other half of the equation here is
WR options. EJ has a lot this season—6 legit targets, although 4 are Sophomores. I wonder what the returning WRs were for these QBs.
Championship!
If I was a betting man,,,
and I am, I would bet my money on FSU to win the National Championship. Las Vegas and all of these ESPN analysts wants everyone to believe that Oklahoma or Alabama is going to win it all with VaTech, Boise St., Oregon, and LSU having the strongest chances of playing for the Championship, if Oklahoma or Alabama falls off. Even with FSU being ranked at #5, many analysts have overlooked FSU believing that we’ll have a strong season but not really saying that we can get to the National Championship Game. If Auburn can fly under the radar, and have Cam Newton coupled with a very disruptive D-line, go the distance, then why can’t EJ Manuel coupled with the best D-Line in the nation and a very stingy secondary, plus more overall offensive talent, do the same??? I’m picking FSU…
If I were a bookie, I would take your bet. ;)
I admire your optimism, unfortunately I can’t share it this year. Next year, possibly probably maybe definitely for sure.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
While I would take that bet, too
I’m NOT offering the same deal that I apparently offered Oldnole last year, haha.
defensive lines when championships.
i have been thinking about this all week. just think about the last couple of nc winners. they all had great defensive lines, and in auburns case that line made up for a horrible secondary. this year florida state will have 2 potential first round starters on the defensive line. (jenkins, mcdaniels) imo. our dline will be the best in the country.imo
by Cjones6121 on Aug 7, 2011 11:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Differences AU & FSU
Do you think EJ will have a good enough season to win the Heisman? Not me. IMO, Cam did a better job than Teblow because Timmy had much more around him.
Our offense is so balanced that I don’t know anyone that will put up the numbers to be a Heisman finalist.
Auburn was down in several games last year and could have easily stumbled. Even teams that recruit well and who are coached well year-in, year-out have a difficult time. It takes a little luck along the way.
AU also graduated damn near the whole team, whereas we only have 5 seniors starting.
Although we generally have more depth (bodies) this year, we still have plenty of guys who will see their first action in the 2-deep.
We have concerns at LB, OL, & WR. What happens when one of our starting LBs or OLs gets injured? Most people probably aren’t concerned about our WRs because we have plenty of them. I remember Jimbo saying during fall camp last year that Smith and Haulstead were looking really good and then we had problems there for much of the season. I’m good with Burt and Wille, still not sold on Rodney, but then what? Shaw, Haggins, Dent, Greene (either of them), Benjamin? The bodies and talent are there but they were there last year too and we still had problems. Getting back to reality, Jimbo’s offense was not running like a well-oiled machine last year even with CP7 running it.
I don’t think EJ is fully ripened or hit his ceiling as far as reading defenses and checking into the right plays, or making the best decisions, but he should improve as the season goes on provided the line stays healthy and provides reasonable blocking and protection.
On the upside…
I think it is good that we have OU and Clemson at the beginning of the season when our OL and LBs are healthy. It is also helpful to keep the hype from getting in kids’ heads. Many will remember the sobering smackdown they received at OU last year as well as that 4 game stretch between BC and Clemson where each game was a game of inches, i.e., any ACC team might squeak out a win and you muct prepare your best every single week. The Thursday night away game at BC with no time to prepare might be this year’s trap game.
It is good that we don’t have VT, UNC, or GT during the regular season.
It is good that EJ had a spring camp.
It is good that our strength is on D because a good D will keep you in the game while the O is trying to find its chemistry.
It is not so good that we have an away game at UF right before the ACCCG. We’re most likely to be banged up at that time, UF should be much better on their last game of the season than they are at the beginning, and it’s always a physical game. I still think we win, but I think Muschamp does better than Meyer did last year.
11-3 is what I expect, with a BCS game is the expectation.
14-0 is the goal as it always is.
In reality, I think this team will exceed my expectation and fall short of the goal. The goal is achievable. It’s just really hard to do even for great and talented teams who are well-coached.
EJ doesn't need to be Cam in order for us to win.
People are comfortable making that comparison, but it’s really kinda random to be honest. Our team has an entirely different make up and our defense won’t nearly as awful against the pass as theirs was.
i agree
auburn NEEDED cam to be cam like no other team has relied on a single player…
how good did alabama need mcelroy to be?
by garnetandgold on Aug 8, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure I've ever seen Fisher's offense run like a well oiled machine.
Period. Even with Ponder. So I would expect less with EJ at this point. I don’t know if it’s the nature of the system, or the surrounding players. It’s not been a come-back offense either, so if we get down to OU early, i don’t like our chances.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
(i.e., not an explosive, quick strike offense)
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well-oiled machine is what I would call how Ponder ran it 2 years ago; not last year.
I’ll also add that Fisher’s offense has had to take a ball control approach for the last couple of years due to poor D before last year and new coach/lack of depth last year.
I don’t think you could ask for much better than CP7 did with it 2 years ago. If we keep the line healthy, get the receiver spots working again, and maybe work in O’Leary a little at TE, If all else fails, just hand the ball to Freeman. In the playoffs last year, the opposing teams knew he was getting the ball damn near every time and they still couldn’t do anything to slow him down. Thus, multiple games with him having over 300 yds rushing per game. Better than Cam Newton. Can’t wait to see him in the games.
I'm sick of being reasonable!
I’ve had more than a decade of it. Last year was about cautious optimism. This year I’m all in, baby!
I want to at least be in the national championship conversation for most of the season.
I want to at least be in the national championship conversation for most of the season
And that is all a team should ask for year in and year out.
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by FlaGators on Aug 7, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fortunately, even with an early loss, we might still be in the conversation later on. With 2 wins in weeks 3 and 4, we will be.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I don't think a 1 loss ACC team will be in any serious discussions for the NC
With teams like Boise, TCU, Nevada, and Oregon who play bs schedules. I would bet one or two of them will be undefeated. If it comes down to a 1 loss OU, 1 loss SEC team, undefeated cupcake schedule team, and a 1 loss ACC team (especially if we loose to OU), then I don’t see us having a chance at it.
Don’t forget to add Notre Dame in the calculation too
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we have to? I don't wana!
No no no no no. I think I would rather not add them into MY calculation.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's go get our damn Trophy
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I want to see EJ and Jimbo kissing CRYSTAL!
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL...
Well Put… We (fans and players) need to start having the mentality of “we know this is our Championship to win and we’re going to do it”, instead of thinking “we know we can win but logic says we may drop a game or two”… Confidence =Wins= Championship
I think if we get an ACC trophy this year, the plasyers will start to believe it more
My expectations are at least a return to the ACC game.
Hang on to the roof!
at minimum!
"What kind of addicting substance has Jimbo spiked the Tally water with?
It’s this new thing going around campus lately-I think it’s known by the term…"winning". I hear it’s really addictive and the real hardcore victory junkies can smell it from all the way across the nation."
by SmoothCrimiNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Pro-cisely.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
As long as we “Pro-tect” the Quarterback we’ll be OK.
Honestly. I expect growing pains. There are games we could of lost last year. And to be honest, I’m not sure we beat USCe with Lattimore playing the whole game. either.
Florida State
Home of future “Pro-fessional” football players.
Or a wasted Garcia-allegedly.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Nah, cause he supposedly played in games they won in a less than completely sober state. So I throw that out.
Would of been interested to seen if we could of handled a Lat for 4 quarters. But I’ll take the win for momentum and recruiting-sake.
Oh I agree with your earlier observation on whether we could have contained Lattimore for an entire game.
I’m pretty sure he goes over 100 yds, but even so, I’m not sure whether or not we would have won or lost the game with him, and I am glad we didn’t have to find out.
I hadn’t heard about Garcia being wasted in other games, but if that is true, too freakin’ funny.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Y’all should get there every year by default. I mean really…
BC – Please
Clemson – Talent yes. Coaching…maybe?
Maryland – Riiiight.
NC State – Hilarious.
Wake – Vandy.
Clemson always chokes. Always has. Always will. FSU should sleepwalk their way to the ACC Championship game ever year.
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The tricky thing with Clemson is that while they ultimately fall hard, they often build up to a high perch before that fall.
The key is finding a way to face them at the right point in a season. We’ve had the misfortune of being the team that feeds their hype way too many times.
Do y’all play them at a specific point every season? By that I mean are they like the first ACC game every year, the last…etc
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It varies.
For awhile it settled into a rhythm where in the years it was in Tally it was early, and the years it was in Clemson it was late. This year the schedule makers got crazy and it’s in Clemson early.
Hmmmm. So yeah, finding them at that moment as you said, is that much more difficult then.
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Having the games come at the same time (like in the SEC) would just make too much sense.
I think the ACC office spends all year working on bball scheduling and then one day at 4:30PM they panic and realize the football schedule is due.
by 38Noles on Aug 7, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think they just simulate a season of NCAA and whatever comes up they set as the schedule
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Awesome.
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by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Priceless.
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REC.
I think the ACC office spends all year working on bball scheduling and then one day at 4:30PM they panic and realize the football schedule is due.
And then they don’t consider how to schedule to help out the teams who have a legitimate chance to upgrade the ACC name.
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
ACC basketball is already a well regarded name
therefore, there is nothing else for the ACC office to worry about upgrading.
If all sports fandom is a form of emotional gambling, football is poker and hockey is Russian roulette.
If Clemson ever got there act together
they could consistently field a very good team. But I just don’t see them having there act together at least in the near future.
I think that Jimbo is building FSU back up to the point where they will be in the ACCCG every single year and will be the favorites to win it.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think their coaches are all that good either.
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Kevin Steele is a solid coach
And Clemson came very close to beating Auburn.
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Ha, well sometimes talent can overcome crappy coaching
remember our 9-3 season amongst the 7-6 layers of hell?
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Yeah, but he’ll leave soon and then the whole program will fall apart.
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Well as long as he doesn't leave the program on probation
The cupboard won’t be bear when Leach takes over :)
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Haha.
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The rest of their coaches are decent enough
luckily for us, they still have the dabo
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have to wonder why he has not been offered a half-way decent HC gig.
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How about Kevin Steele to UNC?
Weaken Clemson, give Miami/VT some competition that we don’t have to worry about every season.
I'd LOVE this....
especially over dabo gettin fired and them deciding to make steele the guy…
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, Tony Steward would be pissed I bet.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Steele is a very good DC though imo
But as long as Dabo is there I think that they will fail.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Dabo. Well said.
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He is one heck of a recruiter though.
I will give him that.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
give me a large checkbook and i'll be a heck of a recruiter too
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. I feel the same way.
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I disagree that that is the only thing.
I really do think that he is a good recruiter. Now is paying some recruits helping? Absolutely. But I think he is still a good one.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 7, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He's in the class of a Zook or Rich Rod
Not a good coach and a premier program, but damn good at recruiting.
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Apparently, we just offer kids weed.
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by FlaGators on Aug 7, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
and plea bargains
"Kill a fly with an axe"
by SteadfastNole on Aug 7, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huntley Johnson is the man.
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Jist like any college outside of Provo
but they counter by offering young fertile brides.
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I think it was Jay Leno who one night said something to the effect of….
“That kid at BYU nearly got kicked out of school for have sex, the thing about it is, is that his girlfriend goes to Arizona State and got course credit.”
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I couldn’t.
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I think that was on the Espy's
regardless, it was hilarious.
15 and 16 year olds are overrated. Trust me.
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I am going to turn you green for the weed reference.
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dont forget
you also allow kids to buy stolen goods with no consequences…. the discipline has not landed until now….
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by pitbornagain on Aug 7, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but there’s always scheduling: Stupid Thursday night games on the road, when the WVU games is going to be played, etc.
Btw, I think you’re going to see Vandy improve by leaps & bounds. I fully expect a talent infusion in that program under Franklin.
by FSU on Aug 7, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Thursday night games are a joke. I’ve always said they should leave those to the Boise State, Fresno State, Central Michigan…etc.
Vandy is recruiting like an above average BCS team.
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I don't mind Thursday games.
I like playing on thursday for the sheer viewership of it. Only show in town. I wish FSU would host one. I don’t buy the “we can’t” crap.
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It’s not bad…If a proper off week is factored in.
by FSU on Aug 7, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, must have the week before the Thursday game bye.
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I’m with you. If the Thursday night experiment has to be continued (and I wouldn’t mind that, it’s in our blood) we have to bite the bullet and get back to hosting them.
Playing them and never hosting is just a curse. Let’s force some of these ACC chumps to deal with Doak on a Thursday.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Playing them and never hosting is just a curse. Let’s force some of these ACC chumps to deal with Doak on a Thursday.
And being forced to play them without reciprocity makes it that much worse.
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Yeah, it just isn’t for me and my opinion of the Gators needs. They wouldn’t benefit much (if at all) from a Thursday night game.
South Carolina, Miss State do them every now and then. But those are 2nd tier programs.
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Teams like Rutgers and Bosie made themselve on Thursdays
I think an FSU Miami game would work well on Thursdays
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And look at Rutgers now. Boise, yeah…
That type of a game would always draw good because of the teams. But how it is scheduled for y’all now…it is pathetic.
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When they beat the Vols in 2005 (I think that is when it was), I partied almost as much as I did in 2006 and 2008 when the Gators won the ’Chip.
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After '98 any bad thing that happens to the Vols makes me smile
I guess seeing them suck along with the Canes are one of the few things we can begrudgingly share with you Gators.
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Yep.
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I don't hate Tennessee for the 98 game
Our starting QB was out. We lost by 7 with a back-up QB’s pick 6, AND we committed a roughing the punter and roughing the kicker on the same drive, resulting not in 0 or 3 points, but in 7.
Between bad luck and our own stupidity, we lost. And they had a pretty good team.
They still look silly in them uniforms.
Now I have said it twice, so it must be true.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh.
Yes, orange is a silly color. It is well known.
Whether they win or lose, they still look silly in them creamsicle uniforms.
And that is a fact. I looked it up.
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by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I just never liked the Vols
98 gave me more of a reason to hate ’em. Yes their unis are brutal as well. Creamsicle? No wonder they are getting licked by the rest of the SEC.
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This guy sums up Tennessee for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt2BAfhUHX0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Lol, love that! I'm with him on most of that.
Except I am a dog person. Still, uga is cooler than whatever the hell Tennessee has. Not sure I’ve ever seen puke orange though. Maybe that’s why he really hates pumpkins.
Hang on to the roof!
Smokey (UT’s dog) has been around a lot longer than UGA.
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and the Big East
who has a game almost every thursday of the season
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
We have not beaten Clemson at home in 10 years, a longer period since we’ve beaten UF at home. They may always choke – but they always bring all they got for the Noles.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
And a win once we get there.
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As long as Crystal isn't a stripper giving Jimbo and EJ free lap dances because that would be a NCAA infraction.
Everybody must pay.
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by FrankDNole on Aug 7, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
A blonde I believe?
She’s so transparent, yet attractive enough for a horde of testoterone-laden young men to battle for years and years vying for her promiscuous reward. Rumor has it she isn’t into long term relationships. Rarely does a suitor last more than a year…
by FullTimeNole on Aug 8, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I heard the Gators shattered her.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions
An old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
by Jamil Dawson on Aug 8, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
12+ wins
Maybe I’ve had too much kool aid but I would be disappointed to see us lose more than 2 games (ACCCG and bowl inc.)
by KHow on Aug 7, 2011 9:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Oklahoma is the only sure loss I see
but the bad luck we had against NCST and UNC makes me a bit nervous with my predictions
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I don't see Oklahoma as a sure loss.
Bob Stoops doesn’t get those kids to play on the road like they do in Norman.
Not a sure loss you're right, just concerned about their offense.
If we can play better than we did last year, we’d have a better chance.
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John Madden?
Is that you?;)
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
by Scalpemall on Aug 8, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Haha, well done.
However, you forgot the obligatory Brett Favre reference and use of the word “football” at least 3× in 3 sentences or less. :)
2011........ The ACC will begin to once again witness the power that is FSU football!
And Athlete's Feet
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by JaviLouis on Aug 8, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
…However, those expectations should be set at winning the Atlantic Division, winning the ACC Championship, and getting back to a BCS bowl game….
I do think that this is the what a lot of the national media’s expectation is for Florida State especially with the recruiting classes coming in. For Florida State to have a shot at the NC Game, the defense which did improve a lot last year and returns a lot of talented players has to be dominant and EJ does not have to be Cam, but he has to be accurate like the QB’s of those other teams mentioned in the post—Krenzel, Heupel, Leak, and it would help a lot of FSU could knock off OU which will be tough.
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I've been wondering
How does a team improve against that type of hurry-up offense? It’s nuts what they were able to do. Hopefully Stoops gets us up to par on that, cause I think Miami and Clemson are looking to do that. If they ever get decent QBs, it could be trouble.
Hang on to the roof!
And OU. It's tough to prepare for, but being able to sub players between series helps.
But subbing players within the same series is usually not feasible.
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I'm sure we'll have some analysis on this
Thoughts without analysis:
1. If we go 3-n-out, rotate guys in between series. We are now deep enough on the line to do that.
2. Prepare to sub if they throw long and miss.
3. Crowd the line and take away the bubbles, slants, and short passing game as UNC did against us 2 years ago. I would probably give a heavy dose of a nickel package with Mike Harris in and using Bradham and Smith as the LBs. Our D line is now large enough to occupy their O-line (regardless of which 4 guys from a 3-deep rotation we choose to have in) and just about everything else is speed to the running gaps and tight coverage. If they throw it deep, let Joyner play center field.
4. Have the line primarily play run b/c Landry rarely holds the ball longer than 3 seconds.
Thanks for the response.
It’ll be interesting to hear the pregame conference from Jimbo about this.
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A2DFailEtc
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Good post.
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Thats the 3rd or 4th time I've heard Cam's name mentioned.
Cam Newton 6’ 5" 248lbs. 4.59 forty E J Manuel 6’ 5" 245lbs. 4.51 forty. And E J def. got it in the brain department.
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
and EJ may have done just as well in that simplistic AU offense.
But Fisher’s offense is far more complex and requires a lot more decision-making, and takes a lot longer to master.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
So how does proportional win-shares tie into this?
If my win-share count comes out to 9-3, then shouldn’t I be expecting a 9 win season +/- whatever happens in the ACCCG and Bowl games? Or should I say my “expectations” are a little bit higher than my win-shares?
Exactly, I think whatever your WSP comes out to should be your expectation for the season.
Your goal can be a little higher than your WSP if you’d like, but I think the goal should always be the highest attainable level you could possibly reach if everything works out perfectly.
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Can we talk 1-loss scenarios for a minute?
It’s extremely unlikely that we go 12-0, so what if we go 11-1? I used to think we should lose to Oklahoma, since they’re one of the best 2 teams in the country, and win out all of our other games. Then, if the Oklahoma game was close, we might have a chance at a BCS title game. However, if Oklahoma wins out, I doubt anyone will want to see a rematch and some other team will be chosen to play them. Also, people will assume we beat up on a weak ACC and that since we lost to OU, we can’t hang with the big boys.
Recently I’ve started thinking that I want to beat Oklahoma more and more. If they’re ranked #1, we’ll prove that we have the potential to beat anyone. Then, if we lose 1 game along the way (Clemson, NC State, whatever), I think most people will forgive that as a fluke as long as we still win the ACC.
So if we have to lose 1 game, who should it be to? I’m going with Clemson, which would be early enough in the season to bounce back from and could be easily explained away as a letdown game after a huge win.
unfortunately with one loss
we will never get into the championship game unless everyone in the sec has 2 losses…
but if we did win every game except ou, i think we would need ou to lose 2 games or have a bad loss, or a late loss and even then it may take 2 losses for us to get back in it…
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not true i think
If FSU beats a top 10 undefeated VT in the ACCCG and OU has two losses I could see us going in. A one loss FSU team is tough to keep out of the title game. FSU is any regular ACC team.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
If I had to pick, I would rather lose to the #1 team in the country early in the season and hope they either run the table or fall apart.
If they run the table, a rematch for the NC would only be possible if we also run the table convincingly and everyone else has 2 losses, as unlikely as that may be. Otherwise be content to win the ACCCG and play in a BCS bowl.
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Good grief Frank
I’m publishing my Fall preview piece in the morning and this is part of what I discussed. Check this out,
Wrap your brain around this fact: Bob Stoops (OU), Urban Meyer (UF), Chip Kelly (UO), Jim Tressel (OSU), Nick Saban (UA), Pete Carroll (USC) and Gene Chizik (AU) all combined for a record of 37-24 with zero BCS bowl appearances in the first season at their respective schools. In Year two, they combined to go 77-5, winning four national championships in five total appearances and earning two non-national championship BCS bowl appearances.
again:
*how experienced was their QB in year 2?
*how tough was their SOS in year 2?
I think that may be what separates us from those who pulled it off.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 7, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
QB play isn't the concern in FSU's case IMO
Both Oregon and Auburn had first year starters at QB also.
Our biggest road bump is potential injury (as it is every team) and playing Oklahoma.
Listed above
but Stoops, Saban starters were also 1st year starters.
EJ also has 8 games of playing experience, two of which being bowl games and two more being against the two best defenses we faced in 2009 (UF)/2010 (Clemson).
and he's been on the team as long or longer than all of them...
none of them took a redshirt
by garnetandgold on Aug 8, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You have some interesting numbers there, nice research and I am looking forward to reading this in the AM.
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Frank, you are an elite freak of a stud.
I’ve been studying all of the data, stats, information and plugging them into various algorithms run by NASA supercomputers. The conclusion…..FSU rocks and Jimbo is the right fella.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 7, 2011 10:34 PM EDT reply actions
I'll leave all the data, stats, algorithms to you and the rest of the geeks and nerds with those fancy computers and I will just continue to write the fluff pieces on my IBM Model XT shutting it down every 15 mins for it to cool down.
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And as far as Jimbo being the right fella, I am willing to give him one more year to prove himself.
Then after that I am buying www.ImNowSureThisJimboFellaIsNotTheRightManForTheJob.com
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by FrankDNole on Aug 8, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
have you seen his ankles?!
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Expectations:
Are that we improve over last year with a 12-2 maybe even 11-3 season.Our schedule doesn’t allow for much rest between a couple of key match-ups. We all know the teams that give us trouble. After the lost decade, I guess a certain level of heartbreak became familiar. However, a good run is possible too, just depends on execution of the process. And Thank that Leon guy for not making it a “dry county”. A night game in Tally against an elite program after a day of extreme fan preparation; it’s going to be loud. All the frustration from the 00’s needs to come out on OU that night, that will be a difference maker! Anticipating the atmosphere…
possibilities
if we beat Oklahoma, i dont think we will lose all year. If not, we’re prob 80-90% back and may drop a game or 2 more, but not more that that… JMO
hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
OU could certainly be the swing game
Although as previously mentioned we are accustomed to the let-down games. Clemson won’t be easy; but momentum, depth, and coaching may be in our favor this time…
by FullTimeNole on Aug 7, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
True
As past-tense as can be… Talent + depth + motivational coaching = justified optimism
by FullTimeNole on Aug 7, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think 11-3 and possibly 12-2 is attainable if our key players stay healthy. That would make me happy and set us up nicely for next years NC run.
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Agreed
Baby steps blah, blah… But reality is such… After the years when you could get a prescription of Xanax just by telling you’re doctor that you were a Seminole season ticket holder. Jimbo’s Rehab is just what the doctor ordered…
by FullTimeNole on Aug 7, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Crap, I didn't know I could do that.
Do you think it would work if I said I was a Miami fan. Not that I would ever commit such blasphemy.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 8, 2011 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions
To avoid the blasphemy:
Haha…Tell the Doc you’re wife’s a Miami fan. I’m sure that
would qualify. My friend a big UM fan, had to work for him, he’s seemed alot calmer lately, even on the verge of football season…
by FullTimeNole on Aug 8, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good, that might work.
Using football to get footballs, it is a novel idea.
When ahead never let up.When behind never give up.
by Chief Pit Bull on Aug 9, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Random factoid
3 of FSU’s starting back-4 are over 200 pounds.
What are you glorifying with your life?
And are former 5* recruits/future NFL 1st rounders.
Better known as Dr. Kenneth Noisewater.
by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 7, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Can some one explain
How are Alabama, Oregon and LSU prohibitive favorites over FSU in any shape or form?
Is Jordan Jefferson a better quarterback than Manuel? Does LSU have more talent and depth? Is Lester a better coach than Fisher? The answer is no on all counts. FSU would beat LSU and North Carolina almost did last year. Anything can happen when Jordan Jefferson opens under center.
Oregon has a fantastic coach with a tier one offensive system, but they lost a lot. No way would I give them the edge over FSU.
Alabama is almost like an FSU clone. Saban is good and so is Fisher. Their quarterback does not match up with Manuel. He is a game manager. Alabama managed to lose to USC jr last year, a team FSU ran out of the stadium. In fact this Alabama team had Auburn on the ropes and should have won the game without some serious mistakes. (up 21-7) This is the same Auburn team that Clemson took to the wire and should have defeated.
No the FSU team of 2010 matches up well with Alabama, in having defeated a team that beat them, defeated a team that should have won the game against the Auburn team who was the eventual national champion.
FSU lost a game to OU under circumstances early which were very favorable to OU. The game this year vs OU will tell us a lot. I think FSU has a very good chance of coming out on top here. This particular game will be huge and just may shock the fence sitters.
I understand that FSU fans are accustomed to waiting for something to go wrong. It might this year. Football is a strange game. However I don’t go by statistics and probability, I go by intuition and common sense. FSU has as good a chance as any of the top five to bring home the hardware this year.
With more than 3 defensive tackles on hand last year, FSU could have possibly won eleven or twelve games. That is not a problem this year. It all depends on the luck of the draw.
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by DocHoliday2 on Aug 7, 2011 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How are Alabama, Oregon and LSU prohibitive favorites over FSU in any shape or form?
Pre-season poles are good in the sense that the teams that are ranked high have that advantage and it goes by perception (what happened last year, returning starters, recruiting over the last few years perhaps): that being said, in the USA Today poll, FSU is ranked #5 and right below those teams you mention here; LSU plays both Oregon and Bama and FSU plays OU, so in the first big media poll, FSU is right there with the teams you mention.
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Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
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Pretty Simple
Bama – Recent Nat Champ, several 10+ win seasons, lots of talent
Oregon – Recent Nat Champ (as soon as Aub gives it back), several 10 win seasons, lots of talent, in Pac 12
LSU – Recent Nat Champ, several 10+ win seasons, lots of talent.
Same reason FSU was top 5 in the early parts of 2000s. Recent success + laziness of pollsters = easy odds
I still remember us being #4 headed up to UVA before Marques Hagans obliterated us and Chris Zorich on ABC picked us that week to win Nat Champ.
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Also...
When was the last time the ACC played for the the NC? SEC is a shoe in, and Oregon, BSU, TCU, and OU all are the popular girls. They’ll get asked first unless FSU can flash some skin by beating OU, Florida, and winning the ACC. I think a 1 loss FSU can get in, but not over a 1 loss SEC, OU, or Oregon. An undefeated BSU or TCU might skip us too at this point, definately over a 2 loss FSU.
This won't begin to answer most of your questions, but most of the media are tired of getting burned by jumping on the FSU is back bandwagon.
It will take Jimbo winning OOC games and winning the ACC championship to get the national media to finally see that the perpetually underachieving Noles of this century are no more.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
yea, you're not wrong...
but preseason polls are done without ever seeing a team play so they have to go on recent history/ guesses… Bama has been a force of late, lsu is always over-rated under miles, oregon guarantees them to look smart because they will run the pac 10…
we honestly have NO IDEA how good we are going to be until after week 3… and we have no idea what the rest of the ACC is going to look like until then either…
preseason polls are truly silly…
by garnetandgold on Aug 7, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that pre season polls a lot of the time are not accurate (most of the ending polls look nothing like the early ones) at all...
and for the most part no one knows who will be good or bad and the people have not seen these teams, ect, but my point was FSU in this first big media poll is right there with the teams DH2 mentioned and plays #1. So the perception is (at least in this poll) that FSU is a NC contender right now and is positioned to have that advantage of being ranked high (this is a big deal in the sense that you don’t have to climb and if you do get knocked off early, you have the chance to get back up by the end of the year a lot easier). A lot of coaches say they never look at these pre-season polls and don’t care (probably more of the ones who are on top), but I think most want to be ranked high even if they won’t admit it. For example, Brain Kelly came out this week and said he wants to be in Stoops shoes and have the media saying ND is #1 which I hope never happens :)
They are silly, but they are not going anywhere and it is better to be ranked high in them.
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Bleep, my bad, I though you had responded to me garnetandgold
"Fast Eddie: No bar?
Cashier: No bar, no pinball machines, no bowling alleys, just pool... nothing else. This is Ames, mister."
From the movie--The Hustler
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
Good read!
But now you have to add Al Golden next year. naaaahh just kdding just kidding.
I'm only 31 years old but feel like an Old Buc.
Go Noles
Go Bucs
I also think you need to mention USC real as well
While Carroll took three years, he had more to repair, he was already in the BCS by year two. And our conference resembles the Pac 12 more then SEC. Just look at the recruiting. There is no ACC team that can/is recruiting like us, similar to USC. I truly believe that is what the next few years to be like that for FSU. The OU game could be like our Auburn game for USC in 03.
Roll Bass and War Ryno for me
Carroll had to actual flip talent from his crosstown rival
We’re lucky enough not to have to do that. Though I suppose in a way we have had to (getting south Florida talent away from the Thugs). UCLA was beast before Carroll pissed out their fire.
Hang on to the roof!

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