Florida State Football Camp Questions: Offense
by Bud Elliott on Aug 8, 2011 11:30 AM EDT
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PrintFlorida State Football fall camp starts today! The Seminoles here are covered quite extensively, and 'Nole fans are right to be excited about this season. So today, let's reign it in a little bit. Let's discuss the issues which are still unresolved for each position. I have included the depth chart from Seminoles.com, and have added the freshmen I mention in the article.
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QB
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3 EJ Manuel |
6-5
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245
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Jr.
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| 9 Clint Trickett |
6-2
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180
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r-Fr.
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| or 16 Will Secord |
6-1
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214
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So.
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| 14 Jacob Coker |
6-5
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235
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Fr.
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TB
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23 Chris Thompson |
5-8
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190
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Jr.
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| 33 Ty Jones |
5-10
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210
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Sr.
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| 38 Jermaine Thomas |
5-11
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192
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Sr.
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| 4 Devonta Freeman |
5-8
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200
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Fr.
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| 32 James Wilder, Jr. |
6-2
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220
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Fr.
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FB
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24 Lonnie Pryor |
6-0
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230
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Jr.
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| 21 Debrale Smiley |
5-11
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230
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Jr.
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| 41 Chad Abram |
6-0
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227
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So.
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WR
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83 Bert Reed |
5-10
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183
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Sr.
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| 84 Rodney Smith |
6-6
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216
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Jr.
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| 15 Greg Dent |
5-11
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191
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So.
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| 80 Rashad Greene |
6-0
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175
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Fr.
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LT
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67 Andrew Datko |
6-6
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321
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Sr.
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| 77 Zebrie Sanders |
6-6
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307
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Sr.
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| or 72 Daniel Foose |
6-6
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290
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r-Fr.
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| 70 Josue Matias |
6-6
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320
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Fr.
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LG
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79 David Spurlock |
6-4
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308
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Sr.
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| 66 Jacob Stanley |
6-2
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280
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Sr.
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| 72 Daniel Foose |
6-6
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290
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r-Fr.
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C
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60 Jacob Fahrenkrug |
6-4
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315
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Jr.
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| 52 Bryan Stork |
6-4
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299
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So.
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| 53 Sterling Lovelady |
6-2
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285
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Fr.
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RG
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52 Bryan Stork |
6-4
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299
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So.
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| 59 Henry Orelus |
6-3
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295
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So.
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| 61 Blake Snider |
6-3
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295
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So.
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RT
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77 Zebrie Sanders |
6-6
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307
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Sr.
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| 76 Garrett Faircloth |
6-7
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295
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So.
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| 63 Tre Jackson |
6-4
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310
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Fr.
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TE
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88 Beau Reliford |
6-6
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260
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Sr.
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| 85 Ja'Baris Little |
6-3
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245
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Sr.
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| 44 Will Tye |
6-3
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245
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r-Fr.
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| 35 Nick O'Leary |
6-4
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240
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Fr.
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WR
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82 Willie Haulstead |
6-3
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213
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Jr.
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| 12 Jarred Haggins |
6-1
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191
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So.
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| 81 Kenny Shaw |
5-11
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170
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So.
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| 89 Christian Green |
6-2
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205
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r-Fr.
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| 1 Kelvin Benjamin |
6-6
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242
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Fr.
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Quarterback
Can E.J. Manuel read the middle of the field? We saw that he has the arm strength to make a living outside the hashes thanks to a surgically-repaired shoulder, but I question his ability to read and disect the middle of the field.
Can EJ roll left and throw? There haven't been many instances of him rolling left and then throwing. If I am picking up on this tendency, so will opposing defensive coordinators. Teams will blitz him from the front side this year, because blitzing the back side has not been all that effective, as he effortlessly rolls right and finds an open man.
Will Clint continue to hold off Will Secord for the backup job? And if so, will Secord transfer? I don't see FSU holding a 4th-year 3rd string QB in 2012.
Will freshman Jacob Coker (6'5" 235) battle for the backup job or will he take a redshirt? He has a lot of physical tools, but a ton to learn as well.
Backfield
How will the carries be divvied up?
Jimbo says Chris Thompson's back is healthy. Can he hold up? And can he fix his fumbling issue? Thompson can be a really good back if he stays healthy.
Perhaps the more interesting storyline is the battle between seniors Jermaine Thomas, and Ty Jones, and freshmen Devonta Freeman, and James Wilder, Jr. The two seniors have struggled with some of the mental aspects of the game, and freshmen often struggle with those aspects as well.
Freeman has the better chance of play in regular downs than Wilder by virtue of getting in for spring ball, but does he have a real shot of stealing playing time from three upperclassmen? It will probably depend on pass protection. Fisher will not throw someone out there who will get EJ hurt due to a missed blitz pickup. Will Wilder see anything more than goal-line duty during an uncontested game?
Receivers
Can the trio (Reed, Smith, Haulstead) take their game to the next level? All three have good physical skillsets which complement each other. They all need to be more consistent in the fundamentals of catching and running routes. This is a big year for Lawrence Dawsey's future at Florida State. Reed, Haulstead and Smith bring a combined eight years in the program. If Dawsey can't get them to play consistently by now...
Who is number four? In spring, everyone raved about Jarred Haggins in the slot. He doesn't need to be a star. He just needs to be consistent and accountable. His physical skills will take care of the rest. But the spot won't come uncontested. The other young receivers could make some noise.
Will freshmen Kelvin Benjamin or Rashad Greene show well enough to be trusted with meaningful playing time? Don't count on it. Not many freshmen earn real PT in Jimbo's system.
TIGHT END
Is the battle for #1 or #2? Beau Reliford has made it through the academic issues that saw him miss spring. I don't see Ja'Baris Little mounting a legitimate challenge to Reliford's top spot. Will Tye is definitely an unknown. Is it realistic to expect Nick O'leary to come in as a true freshman without the benefit of spring practice and challenge for the top spot? If not the top spot, O'leary should mount a serious challenge for the second spot after tearing up the summer skeleton sessions.
OFFENSIVE LINE
How do the two senior tackles look after off-season surgery? Andrew Datko and Zebrie Sanders have combined to start about 70 games in their three years. Reports are that Datko and Sanders do look really good, but those reports came from the strength and conditioning portion of summer. Strapping on the pads is a different story. No, I don't expect anything but glowing reviews, but it is an unanswered question.
Who are the top nine? I figure FSU really needs to have nine linemen it can count on, but with Spurlock's concussion issues, that number jumps to nine. Datko (1), Sanders (2), Fahrenkrug (3), Stork (4), Spurlock (5), Orelus (6), Faircloth (7), and? Dan Foose has put on some good weight and is in the mix. Will any freshmen be counted on to be an eight or a nine? If so, it will likely be Josue Matias or Tre Jackson. Most offensive linemen should redshirt, but FSU had some seriously bad luck with non-football attrition of three talented players who would be counted on to be backups this year, and thus took a massive class of offensive linemen (best in the country). A few of those kids will probably need to contribute as backups this year.
What are your questions that could be answered in the coming three weeks?
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…but I question [Manuel’s] ability to read and dissect the middle of the field.
What are you glorifying with your life?
does this mean middle
in contrast to left & right side or middle in contrast to short and deep?
Championship!
Think anything involving
the seams of zones, MOFO / MOFC safety positions, MLB drop back (~Tampa 2). That pic he through against Samford was a Tampa-2 where the MLB dropped back to cover the inside seam on a post route.
Not being able to read the middle of the field is an NFL career-limiting condition. He simply must develop; that is, at least show some signs of improvement here.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Agree. Its an area of concern – But something he’s supposedly worked on with film study. I’ll be curious though how potentially having a HB/TE may help with some of the reads as we maybe able to manipulate some of his windows he’s has available to throw into as a whole.
An outstanding running game
has the nice feature of sucking safeties down underneath. Here’s hoping.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Yep. Especially if you have back who can catch as well. Jimbo does a great general explanation of this & FSU’s number game on video.
Hmm...ok
Go here… Click sample video and then play…
I think it shows a good couple of minutes from his overall presentation.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
As much as people talk about how complicated his offense is – He actually makes offense easy for college. The concepts are relatively simple
Where he’s tricky is formation variation and he’s very personnel grouping heavy when he’s has the horses. Then add in a QB who can run and he can present problems.
You may know better than I
But it seems from a layman’s perspective that he has a lot of formations, a lot of plays, and a lot of reads within those plays. If it weren’t complicated, there’s no real reason to hold freshmen back and redshirt every QB. Many of our freshmen could start on a lot of teams, but I don’t think most of them will see significant playing time in Jimbo’s offense.
True. I think the concepts are pretty straight forward. But I’ve always said that there’s a fundamental difference between knowing & understanding.
Analogy:
I “know” you turn the key, you work the pedals and steering wheel and the car drives. I but I don’t “understand” the mechanics of how all that works. I just get that the car gets me to the mall when I want to go shoe shopping.
Freshmen- Sophomores (Know)
Junior-Seniors (Understand) & can do so at a pace and manipulate.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
There is also a difference between knowing the path and walking the path
Morphous – Know
Neo – Walk & can do so at a pace and manipulate
LOL. Good movie, though I didn’t care for 2 & 3.
The more you understand what you’re doing, the more you can nuance, manipulate safeties with eye discipline & body language, etc.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It's easier than you but it's also harder...
Fisher uses many air-raid concepts in the passing plays. Watch a Mike Leach or Hal Mumme led team and you’ll see the same 6 pass plays or so run over and over again from different formations. It’s not hard to learn because you are just focusing on areas. For example in the above video the QB would know the area his guy is in it doesn’t really matter who is there when going through progressions. Also keep in mind QBs (and this is the same with NFL QBs not named Drew Brees or Peyton Manning) usually look at just one side of the field when running a play. That side is determined pre-snap.
Where Fisher’s offense gets complicated is running through the checks at the line. Ponder did a fantastic job of reading the defense pre-snap and audibling to to the play that made the most sense be it run or pass. Many times in his Sr year Ponder came to the line with 3 plays and would choose the best play based on defensive alignment.
Furthering the mental aspect of the game is the physical aspect. Take EJ for example, it’s taken him 2-3 years to get his throwing motion to a point where he can be confident in making almost every throw. I really feel the physical aspect of a QB is downplayed at most high schools which forces college coaches to work harder because they have to retrain habits.
Conceptually football is easy. However when 300+ lb grown men are trying to take off your head things get a lot harder. If you play the NCAA games is a bit easier to understand some of these plays. Run a smash route on either side a bunch of times and you’ll begin to see what you should be looking for pre-snap and during your drop. FSU runs a lot of smash routes to the outside. Run 5 of these in NCAA and you’ll quickly realize that you are only really reading 2 players after the snap of the ball (the safety and the DB). You’ll also realize how much pre-snap reads matter once a safety drops down into the box. Run a smash route with a MOFC and you immediately know who is open.
And actually...
The smash route is really a one player read. It’s generally a game played with the corner. If he drops, hit the stop, if he jumps the stop, hit the smash. trajectory of that smash throw will change based on safety play, but it is a simple concept…to talk about :)
I like this breakdown, formation, trade, shift, motion games make things difficult for a defense because the offense really could only run a handful of plays, but out of multiple looks. I have to assume the checks at the line are given to the QB, and really are quite simple as well. inside zone is checked to the low shade, if press man check 9…etc. I would be shocked if these guys are going to the line with any more freedom than choosing one of a couple/three plays.
I love what Jimbo is doing, this is the making of a program, and it is really fun to see again.
by Matthew Juaire on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and no matter how simplistic he makes it, it is still
10x’s more than any true freshman got in high school.
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What is the benefit of not redshirting a Frosh QB?
Unless you need him to start next year (which would be bad because it means you have no depth at QB)? Even if you are starting him next year, better to keep his year of eligibility while Jimbo and the crew teach him.
Like you said, if he's so good that he's your QB of the future, you don't redshirt him.
If not, he gets the shirt.
That’s probably another reason why Jimbo keeps 4-5 QBs in the system at all times-even if 2 players go down, there’s still SOMEONE who can step in without you burning your frosh QB’s shirt and hampering his long-term development.
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Just watched the video
good stuff. Is the hardest part of learning the QB position being able to read the middle of the field?
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by Matt Champion on Aug 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine that, post-snap, the hardest part
is reading coverages, checking down, and maintaining a feel for the pocket.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Yeah & and a window of 3-4 secs with people flying around you!
It’s why QB is the hardest thing to in sports and why they get paid alot in the NFL.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports.
Round bat, round ball…hit it square.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL. Only you’re not getting landed on by 300lb guys almost every play.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Would a baseball player trade having a big square bat and a voleyball size ball for a 340lb freak of nature crushing him at full speed? Dozens of times per game?
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 8, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sportscience
on ESPN did an experiment proving stopping a penalty kick in soccer is harder than hitting a baseball. Less reaction time for the goalie than a hitter in baseball.
all that means is
penalty kicks are stupid. (Which is corollary to.. soccer is stupid.)
on ESPN did an experiment proving stopping a penalty kick in soccer is harder than hitting a baseball. Less reaction time for the goalie than a hitter in baseball.
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by fmnole on Aug 8, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hole in one is the most difficult thing to do in sports
and golf is the toughest sport.
p.s. soccer isn’t stupid, i’ts “the beautiful game” :D
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IMHO
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There's no orange in it?
:-) There was some red on the collar last year, but just a bit, and it was dark. Oh, and away kits had orange last year, but black and orange, not blue and orange.
Besides, as far as I know, there are no soccer teams with Garnet and Gold for their colors!
Arsenal incorporates garnet into the away shirt from to time, and least year’s away uniforms were gold shirts/garnet shorts. Those were instantly the best uniforms in soccer!
the white aways from
umm…08-09? the white with the script writing that made it look like stripes. that had some nice “garnet” and gold on it
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Oh yeah loved those. The small script Herbert Chapman speech looking like stripes from a distance was one of the coolest things ever.
ya Herbert Chapman kit
I got an RVP jersey, the gold number/lettering is sweeet. my all time fav is the garnet/navy striped 3rd kit
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I disagree
as someone who played baseball professional(minors)…it’s a LOT more than the amount of time you have to react….prime example..
Take your normal average joe….have him be the goalkeeper…let any soccer star kick a PK right at him…
Then take your normal average joe…give him a bat…put any MLB pitcher with 90+mph heat…throw it right down the middle….and tell me which one would have success first…and success would be stopping a goal….and hitting a ball into an area that would be considered a ‘hit’ on the field.
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I see what you are saying
But it would just be whoever got lucky first. Not skill just blind luck in both cases.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not realistic
The point of a PK is not to kick the ball right at the goalie. If you take a professional soccer player who picks a spot away from the goalie and is on target it is practically impossible for the keeper to stop it unless they jump eary and guess the right spot.
Oh I missed where he said kick it right at him.
Yeah that is not realistic at all. Even in professional soccer it basically all luck to save a PK, unless the PK taker tips off which way he is going. But the good ones don’t.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I just wanted it to be as fair as possible…obviously a pitcher isn’t going to throw a fastball right down the middle…lol..so you guys just supported that hitting a baseball is more difficult…in soccer..you are just ‘lucky’ if you stop the PK…whereas in baseball…to be consistently good involves much more than luck…lol
I mean..there are different types of pitches, different speeds, different arm angles in which a pitcher throws the ball..
Anyways…hitting a baseball with a bat solidly is the toughest thing to do in all of sports…I am right…the end :)
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I would disagree
Stopping a PK mostly involves luck. Hitting a baseball mostly involves skill. Now you can work and train and develop the skill of hitting a baseball(how good you are at it is a different story). But you can’t train and develop luck.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
several are replying this way, but
stopping a penalty kick in soccer is harder than hitting a baseball
the point wasn’t really the skill in the player, but the difficulty to achieve success
Ok
well looking at it that way I would say it’s a wash. Take Roy Halladay and Cristiano Ronaldo and I don’t know if a pk would be saved first or if someone would get a hit first. It would really just be luck imo, as both are extremely difficult.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So a pitcher with a 3-0 count
with a 9 run lead isn’t gonna throw me a ball down the middle of the plate? You could be up 9-0 and you’ll never get a pro soccer player to lob one right at you. As fair as possible would be to take the most difficult one…Rivera’s cutter or Lidge’s slider (when they are on mind you) vs Messi or CR7. There will never be a chance when I can see Messi take the pk then dive that direction and get there before the ball does. I could get a random luck happenstance swung the bat and got lucky 1 time in 500, but I’ll never stop a upper 90 without having to guess and jump before the kick is taken in soccer. Either way this contributes nothing to EJ so I’m done here.
Not sure
if that response was completely serious. If so…ok. Not trying to hijack the thread. But while it does take mostly luck to stop a PK, that doesnt mean a goalie isnt able to study tendencies of the kicker. They also can move slightly before the kick once they guess which way they think the ball is going to go. The fact that it is mostly luck is also what makes it so hard to do on a consistant basis considering the area they have to cover. For the most part a person swinging a bat can cover every part of the strike zone but no one can cover the whole goal at the same time.
PS
I also agree hitting a hole in one is much harder than hitting a baseball.
Stopping a PK is easy
If a member of the U.S. Women’s National Team is doing the kicking.
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by Curtain Jerker on Aug 8, 2011 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Except against Brazil when they made 'em.
The loss in the final doesn’t sting as bad with the memory of that great comeback header in the final minutes.
obviously
you’ve never played whiffle ball. Round skinny bat, slotted ball…oi.
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Catching and throwing a Jai-Alai pelota in one motion, when it's coming at you at 170 MPH, is harder than hitting a baseball or stopping a PK.
/End of discussion
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
*While you are running to the right spot on the court.
/Now is the end of discussion
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I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
I always wanted to learn how to play Jai-Alai
How do you get into that stuff? Jai-Alai and Cricket always wanted to play those.
The Funk Phenomenon.
It's very hard to learn since there are no more places to learn.
The frontons only allow people who know how to play on the court and you have to sign waivers.
There is an amatuer jai-alai court in North Miami, the only one in the country, but it’s only for rubber ball and plastic cestas (baskets).
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
They used to have lessons
And even leagues at Dania Jai-Alai. But havent seen that in many years
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It's been at least 10 years if not more.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Jai Alai farms in Ocala.
Groves of them. Way off the road. Top secret.
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
Basque mountains between Spain and France.
Also, Spain proper and Mexico.
Lottery killed the sport in the USA and most remaining frontons that still play jai-alai now have poker, blackjack, ponies and doggies simulcasts w/OTB, and many even have slots.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
Finding a Jai-Alai fronton
is tougher than that.
/Doh
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Soccer, Jai Alai? Freaking FOOTBALL is less than a month away. Let’s keep our eye on the ball.
I have new respect for the QB and what has to take place inside the 45sec play clock. I know EJ has the physicial skills but what about the noggin? Will Jimbo give him the full playbook this year? Will we run the same 6 plays out of multiple sets?
I know CP7 was a dual threat but not to the same level as EJ. He is going to really throw a wrinkle in opposing defenses w/ his running ability.
Bottom line, there are some big questions for the Fall but I believe we will love the answers.
I agree
Still, maybe I’m too optimistic but Im sure those are things both E.J. and Jimbo can fix, especially with a guy like Mark Stoops as our defensive coordinator.
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by Matt Champion on Aug 8, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone can learn to land a plane with enough practice
But at the college level, you just don’t have enough hours in the week. The workload potential for an NFL QB is probably 4-5 times than that of a college QB in terms of practice.
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Adding to that..
anybody can learn, rather easily, and land it when the weather’s good and everything on the plane works perfectly. Lose some instruments or throw in some bad weather….takes some experience to handle that.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There's no substitute for experience.
EJ playing as much as he has and showing his weaknesses in actual games is very helpful. JF can teach from game film and not just on a white board. I expect to see drastic improvement from EJ and the passing game as a whole.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
I have full confidence in EJ.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I know. I'm agreeing with you.
FWIW, My biggest concern is OL. I’m not worried another unit on either side of the ball.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
It's not a good one IMO.
Junior and Senior dominated teams win far more championships than Freshman and Sophmore dominated teams. Unless you have Boise’s sched, you aren’t going to “out-talent” many of your opponents.
I don’t know anyone that would take the 5 most talented freshmen at OL over a good, experienced OL.
Exception: Talent subbing for bad experience.
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
Anyone can land a plane
It’s a matter of whether anyone survives.
by SDnole on Aug 8, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Very true
Even if you do nothing at all, it will eventually land itself.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
With an additional 7 points on the board.
#BringBackTheOptimism
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry if my questions
sound dumb. I been on TN withdrawal.
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by Matt Champion on Aug 9, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the opposite
If you can get good pre-snap reads then it almost doesn’t matter what the post-snap read is. Either the defense is trying to do something that is almost physically unrealistic (switching a LB with FS to cover the deep part of the field) or they get lucky. If you study enough film you’ll figure out tendencies and applying that to the pre-snap read gives a very clear picture of the play.
(I’m convinced of this because of the air-raid.)
I’ll agree and disagree. Because I’m not sure I’d weight one more necessary than the other – because it may depend on what you’re trying to do matchup-wise.
Ultimately like you said, the key is knowing where to go with the football and WHY you want to go there.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Might be an overstatement there
It is important (see: Jimbo Fisher), but seeing, reading, and throwing are still requirements. Plus, a few advanced defenses in college stem their coverages. This would put a QB directly in the position I described in post-snap above.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Right but if you have an accurate pre-snap read you can adjust
Either by calling an audible or quickly reading the other side of the field. I suppose it’d be smarter to discover where your QB is strongest and creating reads based around that.
not to mention
An outstanding running game has the nice feature of sucking safeties down underneath. Here’s hoping.
a QB who is a threat to run should add to that effect…no?
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I don't question his ability - I think the answer is in and it is not good
but Ii also think he will get better as the year goes on – I think he will look a lot better come October – weaker oponents plus more experience – and put it together for November
It's funny you bring up Manuel's ability to read the middle.
Since I saw him play for the very first time I have questioned that. I hope the film study and hard work he has put in this off season pays off.
by fsunole23 on Aug 8, 2011 4:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Will there be any roster casualties come end of August practices?
Side-question: Have there been any in the past after end of August practices?
What are you glorifying with your life?
Speaking of rolling left
IIRC, he had a damn fine 50+ throw on the first drive against CU….rolling to his left.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions
Roll-out, but threw it as if in a pocket
Not technically the roll-out throw, but he does at least know which direction left means.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Wasn't that pick he threw to Reid in the spring game a rollout to his left?
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Aug 8, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think so.
IIRC, it was a throw to the right sideline (from the offense view).
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
Gimme some sugar, baby.
by Tubby Sweetbundle on Aug 8, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing
Some of the stuff you guys remember is amazing.
I’m lucky if I remember to brush my teeth before work.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Be true to your teeth
and they will be false to your.
man i hate how hard ej gets popped on the option pitches
by garnetandgold on Aug 8, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
yea even tho i knew he was okay... it scared me again
by garnetandgold on Aug 8, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It sucks but I'm not really worried about it
EJ does a good job of making sure most of the hits he takes aren’t kill shots and players like Warrick Dunn and Emmit Smith have made a living off that sort of thing. I’m still a bit scared because we don’t have great depth behind him (anybody think Trickett is going to run a lot of options?) but EJ does a fantastic job on his pitches so you have to throw that play out there. I would love to see EJ in a triple option or zone read offense because of his size and arm strength.
I was going to post that same throw
I think the bigger question would be accuracy on the move rolling to off (left side). That is a tough throw generally. If teams prefer to blitz where EJ can see it, I can live with that tradeoff.
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This was an awesome read.
Getting more excited for the season with every article and comment I read on TN.
It may be time for us to take it down a notch.
The optimism is getting a little scary.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wait until after the Charleston-Southern game
The “can’t-be-stopped” kool-aid will be in heavy distribution.
(not pointing you out, Blake Davis; just making a general point)
What are you glorifying with your life?
Might be a good idea to revisit win-share predictions, soon.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Suggestions on when?
Maybe 1 this week, and 1 right before season starts?
What are you glorifying with your life?
Sounds good.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You are very good at giving me things to do.
I think that’s a good thing.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Indeed. There could be two entirely opposite shifts in expectations following outcome of OU
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
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'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
Mr. Davis just expressed excitement
not optimism. Regardless, optimism is justified when your team will be the favorite in 11 of 12 games, isn’t it?
Championship!
Oh yeah, wasn't meaning to single him out
and a lot of it is justified. I’ve found myself getting a little carried away recently. Just making me a little nervous.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
God forbid we get excited
It feels kinda good after the past few years. I mean, we were 7-6 for a few years there… Be excited!
by NoleySmokes on Aug 8, 2011 3:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm excited, but
That Battered Booster Syndrome keeps my excitement in check. I assume the worst Monday-Friday, then, without fail, hope and believe we will win walking up to that stadium on Saturday.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 8, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Also psyched for the season
I love what you guys do on this site, but you shouldn’t feel obligated to control expectations. The casual fan and his irrational emotions will not be affected by win-share predictions.
And, even though I understand expectations vs. goals (I prefer “hope/dreams” over goals) as much as the next guy, that won’t stop me from becoming irrationally optimistic, bitterly disappointed, and wildly enthusiastic at least a dozen times this season.
In short, let’s not confuse passion with irrational expectations. Keep up the great work!
Interested to see how the MIKE shapes up
I think it’ll ultimately be even reps btw Telvin and Vince based on situations. Just curious to see if one really jumps out in front.
Also interested to see how much 4-2-5 is run. If Nigel and Christian are at LB, the only semi-liability is the non-LJ safety.
Think TP is other safety
and I think he’ll have a great year this year. Probably just me, though.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Agreed
Either Moody or Parks should be better with LJ complimenting.
Who do you think will most likely spell LJ when needed?
by Nugget02 on Aug 8, 2011 12:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Spell LJ?
I think even some of the Gator commits could do that…
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by Nattylite on Aug 8, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
going green
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Maybe,
but not simultaneously with their pregame poop.
its a doo doo
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by caine115 on Aug 8, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Moody/Parks
but I don’t expect LJ to get spelled much at all. He should be in top conditioning.
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Moody was freaking brutal in the Clemson game last year
upon further film review.
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Haha
You watch the Sunshine replay too? Full on PI in the end zone on one play, got beat after taking an awful angle
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Beginning of 4th Qtr it was like 61 plays to 31
And FOUR trips in the red zone produced a total of 3 points!? They should have totally dominated us.
Thanks for the division, Dabo.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
How will DE Brandon Jenkins be double-teamed?
OT and OG? OT and chipping back?
What are you glorifying with your life?
As long as he's double teamed we're winning
I really think we have a good chance of one of our other 3 DLinemen causing trouble in any given 1-on-1 situation. Also I really like our secondary to cover for the times the DLine can’t get through (anybody mind if Moody or Parks blitz on 25% of the plays with Rhodes, Harris, and Reid out there?). Either way you look at it it should create nice pass rushing lanes for LBs and I’m not overly concerned about the running game considering a) we run a zone scheme and 2) this is 2011 and most every team makes it’s living in the passing game.
EJ
Well, I see a lot of criticism of whether he can, go to his left, etc. Remember, his arm was still hurt, he has not been through a spring until this one. All of those, things that you think maybe a problem may not be at all.
These seemingly problems, tendencies, may just throw off anybody preparing to play against EJ, which could work to his and our benefit.
You're still defining unknowns.
Maybe he can do it. Maybe he can do it but then he gets hit and then struggles with it. We’ll have to wait and see.
Im waiting to see which reciever will step up
And become the clear cut #1
+1, but I'm waiting to see IF a WR steps up
If nobody does this unit will hold the offense back. Bud spoke to it before, but they’re not lacking in talent so if they don’t come through this season then you have to wonder if we can do better. Still a Dawsey fan personally, and the odds are these guys will produce, but it’s a bigger question mark than the OL to me, and it shouldn’t be.
by Nolesos Locos on Aug 8, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I won't be worried as long as Smith beats our Reed for the outside position
If Reed can work inside as a slot WR a lot of problems go away. Reed more naturally fits the slot position and should be able to work the middle of the field pretty well. Having that experience there should make it easier for Manual to read the middle of the field. I really believe if Easterling had stayed we wouldn’t have to worry about EJ reading the middle of the field or the WR stepping up their game. Here’s rooting for Smith.
I've said it before, and I'll say it here again:
To me, Dawsey’s on the hot seat. Our receiver production has slid ever since Jeff Bowden was coaching WRs and it collapsed last year, right after the last of the JB-coached WRs graduated.
If our WRs are gonna produce, now’s the time for Dawsey to get on it.
This is completely his squad now, and they’re still underachieveing-there are no more second chances.
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"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Also
I think having a coach that can actually develop talent is more important than being a recruiter….what good is recruiting good talent…yet have none of it to produce results….
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This.
The ONE unit that JB could develop was WRs, and I (grudgingly) have to admit that he did produce some great WRs. Since he left, that unit has lagged.
I would still rather have Jimbo than Jeffy, don’t get me wrong, but in that one aspect-the WRs ONLY-he did know his stuff.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Could we say that we've asked different things of our recievers than in Jeffro's time?
Blocking in both WR screen and running game creates different demands, and requires more focus for WR.
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Granted, but you would think catching and route running would still be primary functions for WRs
There is no excuse for the stone hands and poor routes displayed by our receivers early last year.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
LOL
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Early in the Jeff as OC "experiment"
I was okay with him being demoted back to WR coach. He seemed to get results from the WRs (unless the talent was just THAT good). Once things had gone on too long, though, that wasn’t an option any longer. Unfortunately, since everything got ugly.
I don’t think that Jeff developed WR’s…I think he was blessed with some amazing talent. I was speaking with a friend that was a WR during the glory years and he said Jeff did not do much coaching with guys like PW, Coles, etc.
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yep, but
you’d think Jimbo, who’s been meticulous about every other detail and fired many other coaches to put his winning strategy in place, would have already fired Dawsey if he were subpar.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice wite up and reality check
Our offense is anything but a steel wrecking ball. There are questions all over the place. Freeman is too good to keep off the field. I agree, Nick-O should see his fair share of PT.
Would like to see Dawsey produce. He has all the talent in the world to work with.
and that's the part Jimbo has been in control of for 4 years.
not trying to be negative, just pointing out a fact which raises some fair questions, I think.
It's OUR time! - Jeff Spicoli
by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't men he was getting the payers he wanted
For his team. Their was a write up on just how little control he had. he can do only so much with the product given. And he improved it pretty much every year. So going back over the years he was in charge of it. But the guy in charge of driving a Corvette will still drive faster then the guy in charge of driving the Pinto, even if hes a better driver
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Our offense is very good, what have you been watching?
Shot a Gator in Jean Shorts just to watch him die.
I watched
our receivers last year…
a second leading receiver opt for baseball…
a 1st round QB leave…
our OL suffer injuries and graduations…
I have not watched this year’s offense do anything yet, which is why there are questions due to replacing key players. The only place where there are no questions is at RB.
Our running game needs blocking.. It is not a matter of “if” but when the injuries come, how will the line do?
EJ has done alright and I’m not saying he he won’t do well. He may very well turn this O into a wrecking ball. He does have to read the defenses well and reduce the TOs. Blame it on a TE or WR running a wrong route or whatever you wish. Those same guys are still on the field. Except Taiwan. Who replaces him? Hell, people are talking about replacing Dawsey if the receivers can’t get it together.
I don’t think you can lose as much star power as we have, have some of the returning star power also returning from injury, have all of the new blood when injuries occur be fresh. & sophs., and say whether the whole thing is very good or bad. It’s something we haven’t seen yet and won’t really see until Sept. 17. Our O could look as bad against the Oakies this year as it did last year. I certainly hope not and in Jimbo we trust, but we’ll have to wait and see. I am not prepared to say THIS offense is “very good” (or bad) until we see what happens on 9/17 and 9/23.
That’s the reality of what we have and everything I’ve mentioned is in the questions Bud has raised at the top.
by NoleLaw on Aug 8, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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I understand we are all FSU fans but at some point we have to take a step back if we want to honestly evaluate our offense. At this point it’s fair to assume EJ is good but not great. His TD vs INT is poor and as mentioned previously his middle of the field play is not geat. He has the potential to be great but I would think its fair to assume he needs to improve, and requires proficient OL/Receivers in order to be elite. I hate to be a bummer but i feel we have a long way to go in regards to winning a national championship. Just to put it out there my guess is our offense finishes the year ranked 25-30.
EJ has made some exciting plays
but he’s had to. He hasn’t been consistently good to pick a D apart and take advantage the way Fisher’s offense is designed. 26 points on USCe in a slugfest was fun to watch but does not make me giddy about our offense. Unless EJ has grown considerably in the offseason, I think this will be frustrating to watch against the better opponents.
And i have to say that’s disappointing after 4 years under fisher’s tutelage.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 9, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy was still a backup
Working with the second team and the games he started were all against good teams. Including games he came into like the South Car. Give him full work with the first team and the starter and I think you can judge him more. But 4-2 as a starter and a couple Bowl wins seem just fine for your backup
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Think that's fair.
We’d have to be appreciably better on offense than we were against USCe to have a prayer against OU. Have we developed that much in the offseason? is that likely or even possible?
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 9, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
We lose 65 lbs
From EJ to Clint. That just doesn’t give me the warm fuzzies.
Does that mean we have 2 offenses planned out?
A) Run-heavy offense
2) Run-like-hell offense should pass protection break down.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I'm not worried about pass protection
Datko and Sanders are sound. I trust our 3 interior to block the 2 interior. EJ can read blitzes and adjust play accordingly.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Meant more of a philosophy shift
For instance, the cupcake games. When/if Clint sees the field, do we change styles dramatically, IE: more I-formation pound the rock, or do we still take chances on roll-outs with him?
I can’t see Clint taking too many successful hits and not leaving on a cart. EJ is a big boy, he can handle it.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
I was impressed with Clint's play in the spring game.
He had zero time, as he was playing against elite defensive talent with walk-ons on his line. Still, he kept his poise, moved well, and threw accurately. I wouldn’t worry to much about those big hits when the games out of hand. He’ll be smart and elusive enough to not take unnecessary chances.
I wouldn’t want to see him starting, though. :)
I would suspect you'd see less option but more running when Clint's in
I think FSU would resemble more of a pro offense with more max protect with Clint in rather than EJ. I would still expect Clint to run but it’ll remind people of the offensive philosophy Ponder ran rather than the offensive philosophy EJ will run. I expect to see a lot of options/zone reads with EJ in there.
y'all just remember
the acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree. Do any of you think you want to take on Clint’s daddy? He’s just a little fella.
Have there been some rumblings about Dawsey within the program,
or is it speculation from the outsiders? TIA
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!!!!!!!
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Thinks its just more outside observation
Think about it, if you could point out just one weakness on the coaching staff, where would it be?
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Not when it comes to recruiting.
If he continues to contribute in the recruiting ranks the way he has, barring a total melt down at the WR position, he’s safe.
but Jimbo should
Recruiting plays almost as much of a role in college football as development does. If you are trying to decide whether or not FSU should be looking elsewhere for a WR coach then recruiting should be considered.
But there are plenty of WR coaches who can recruit well AND coach up WRs
No reason why can’t have both as well.
"My mistress is pooped, the reds have Oklahoma, and I'm going to bed."
-Hodge Podge, Bloom County
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. "
"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
No argument there
Just would like to see more progression from the WRs.
'Gentlemen, it is better to have died a small boy than to fumble this football.' John Heisman
In his defense we’ve had a lot of WR who weren’t full time WRs when they got here. A lot of converted QBs, KRs and just athletes. And you have to “teach” them .. a bunch.
I also think that if Fortson would of kept his nose clean a lot of people would feel differently as well.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Just speculation at this point
No way in Hades Jimbo entertains public speculation with his Sabanesque media relations.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
It is all chemically induced
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FSU really needs to have nine linemen it can count on, .....that number jumps to nine.
reminds me of the Holy Handgrenade screen from the Holy Grail…
And the Lord spake, saying, “First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once at the number three, being the third number to be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.”
by munichNole on Aug 8, 2011 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
HAHAHA. Rec'd For MP reference.
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by Blue Horseshoe on Aug 8, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
EJ – I worry that his confidence is too high currently and he forces throws into small windows (i.e. early Brett Favre, CP7 in 2008). I’d rather he make two reads and run or dump it off. Five yards and posession is better than 20 yard gain but risk of INT.
Didn’t think we still had concerns about CT fumbling. Only two last year, correct? He ran a full game against USCe which is a GAM line. I think he’ll hold up fine with EJ taking some of his and ther others’ carries
My question is, if we are running outside pitches are we worried that sideline hits will likely be worse bc of angles than taking direct hits in the middle of the field OR outside is where the small defenders are so the impact should be less fierce than middle of the field. I dunno…
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by The Ryno and I Know on Aug 8, 2011 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
Ask Greg Reid
My question is, if we are running outside pitches are we worried that sideline hits will likely be worse bc of angles than taking direct hits in the middle of the field OR outside is where the small defenders are so the impact should be less fierce than middle of the field. I dunno…
by NoleLaw on Aug 8, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Incoming Freshmen......
Does anyone know if all freshman have made it to practice/campus yet? If not, who hasn’t and what are the issues?
All expected in are in (Terry Bell was a sign and place)
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Post-practice reports will be out somewhere near 6:30ish
per OS_coleyharvey
What are you glorifying with your life?
Interesting question popped in my head while reading this piece..
Which unit overachieving THIS year would be more beneficial to the team?
Offense (I’m hoping for decent to good, as of now)
Defense (I’m hoping for good to flashes of great, as of now)
I'm more concerned about Off. than Def.
OL.
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by Dr.KennethNoisewater on Aug 8, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i see the offense as whole being more beneficial should they play good to great
..worried that this year our defense will keep us in games but do we have the offense to score when WE MUST? Although EJ’s track recored is slowing building to make me think “Yes”.
You underestimate our defense
Our Defense will be great (Top 15) this year. To “overachieve” they would have to be elite (Top 5).
I am more concerned about our passing game. I think it will be good, but good enough to beat Clemson, Miami and VT?
We will see.
i think our defense CAN be great this year
but WILL they is another story. I still see too many questions left to be answered. I am not impressed by our options @MLB (yes Telvin is BA but is he really built for a MLB and how much will that affect his performance)??
If our O is just decent we're in trouble
We’ve been VERY good two years straight. I expect a similar performance. If they overachieve, we’re elite. If we’re elite, look out.
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by AMFKNole on Aug 8, 2011 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Spurlock and Freshman OT
If Spurlock gets banged up again, is Stanley really the next in line or does Orelus or Snider slide over?
Also, thoughts on Matius and/or Jackson not redshirting so they can get some experience during mop up? I can’t remember if the JUCO recruit we’re looking at is an OT, but one of them may need to play next year.
by Nugget02 on Aug 8, 2011 1:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Stanley is one of the strongest guys on the team
But then again, Budd Thacker held this office previously. So take that for what it’s worth.
What are you glorifying with your life?
I asked this in the 08/08 Nole News, but I guess its more appropriate here.
Reference Spurlock at LG… What are the chances we’ll HEAVILY rest Spurlock and give Stanley or Foose some solid 1st team practice time and most of the playing time vs ULM and Charlston Southern? To keep him healthy for OU.
I know he is wearing a new helmet and what not, but if he is our best bet at LG I don’t want to risk losing him until WELL after Clemson, if at all. Hopefully, not at all.
The softer, gentler, "I am at work" version of DutchFSU.
Why don't we have an indoor practice facility yet... :(
Bout to pour here in Tally.
What are you glorifying with your life?
Christian Greene
What can we expect to see from him this year? He’s the WR i’ve been most excited about from the last two recruiting cycles, I know he’s recovered from his shoulder injury and am hoping to see him hit the field this season!
I think what you'll see out of C Green (no "e") this year is
progress. For example, by the end of the season (BC, Miami, UF) he’ll be contributing like Haulstead & Smith last year. But unlike last year when we needed Haulstead & Smith to contribute to compete, with Dent, Haggins & Shaw success doesn’t depend on Green.
Championship!
dont expect much at all until 2012 or probably 13
Very raw and there are many guys in front of him
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I’m with you there. Physical specimen who got injured and he wasn’t a natural receiver to begin with playing football.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks guys I appreciate it
and yes I realized I was thinking of Rashad Greene with the e at the end momentarily after posting, my bad
a lot
I think EJ bulked to 245 for a reason
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Your confusing me Bud
You have 2 replies to the same person one saying he wont play much and another saying a lot and talking about EJ bulking.
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I think that was supposed to be posted in response
to my comment about how much option EJ will be running.
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just focusing only on the OU game
the heaviest DB on the OU starting roster is 203 (and 5-11)… if EJ gets into the secondary, I don’t see him being brought down. This must worry Venables; I would think he’s got to do something to stop EJ…probably assign someone to EJ the whole game (forget what that’s called—anyone?)… and that someone must be a LB I would think.
Championship!
That's what they
pretty much did after we marched down the field and scored easily behind a few Ponder runs. I thought it was going to be a shootout then, except that only OU did the scoring past that =/
by StM on Aug 8, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
My question on offense will be how often we run the option
EJ is good at running it. It probably kept us from losing the Clemson game. However, Clemson adjusted after one series, and they got a couple of strong licks on EJ.
Hopefully, we will be able to make due with designed qb runs, so that EJ doesn’t have take the shot in order to make the pitch.
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That is my hope
But it will be tempting to go to when they are struggling to move the ball.
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Has some game advantages
Potentially keeps LBs at home more.
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I would expect to see it on 15% of the plays
I’m including zone reads here. EJ does such a good job at running these plays and it sets up so much that it’s tough to ignore it. Then again I can see us dropping that percentage 5-6 games into the year when teams are game planning for it.
Garrett Faircloth on the OL
Where did this name come from? Did he Waldo it into the huddle from the stands? I don’t recall him from the past couple of recruiting cycles and now he’s a dependable-9 OL guy?
IIRC
Faircloth is the kid from Ala that made the statement when he was recruited “I ain’t scared of nothing”.
He's a member of the 08 class from Jacksonville
by geoffissiffoeg on Aug 8, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Faircloth is from Jacdsonville.
You are thinking of Snyder
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Reading defenses before and after snaps is important. EJ will do well and improve as the season progresses
But it still comes down to being able to make a play (whether it is the right one or not). Making a strong and accurate throw (even one that has to be forced). While limiting costly mistakes. That is what EJ will do and there is not another college QB I had rather have than him.
Our starting OL averages about 310.
if Spurlock is really up to 321 as reported, the OL averages about 314.
Just sayin…
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Pic from practice today: JWJ has really bulked up, check the comparison
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 8, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
wow he is a beast.
maybe some reps at fullback in his future.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine being a FS and seeing that come through the hole as Lonnie cuts your LB… Prob just trip yourself and fall down to avoid the looming concussion
by DoubleNickel on Aug 8, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Imagining that would only bring me back to my freshman season in high school.
Ahhhhh, no I don’t ever want to go there again.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Veins popping like that
When not even flexed unless he is gripping something we cant see is just freakish
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Here's a link to some pics of the freshman in practice today
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by freshcollegeboy on Aug 8, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
where are yall seeing a picture of NLS?
I must be missing it.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And in the old days he would of been “too big” to play for FSU.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He almost still is too big.
No way that him and Timmy Jernigan eat at the same time. If they did a famine would consume Leon County.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I think when ACC opponents see the size of the HS players we have for the first time on film. Im really not sure they’re going to want to show the tape to their kids.
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the only way to explain that is
elite ankles.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though
the Good Lord has blessed him with some absolutely amazing athletic abilities.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out NLS film
Is he still 299? Looks like he is more.
I'm only 31 years old but feel like an Old Buc.
Go Noles
Go Bucs
I see Hulk
But where are the rest of The Avengers?
My team doesn't have to be the best. They just have to win.
Well I don't think he was one of the Avengers
But the Flash is currently commited to us.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hulk was a Defender
'see da broad ta get tha booty yackum, layem down smackum yackum...ho got ta be.... shiiiiiit!' 'early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise'
He worked with
E. G. Marshall and Robert Reed?
Actually, the Avengers did go looking for the Hulk after Thor left in the 60’s, because they believed that the new line up needed more strength. It didn’t work out. I still have that comic book.
Didn't the Patrots just sign this guy to play next to Wilfork?
NLS = Nobody Left Standing!
by GoNoles2011 on Aug 8, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Someone already mentioned it
but it bears saying again. He was playing linebacker at Nova HS (Broward County) at over 270 lbs and doing just fine. Built like that and with the stated time of a legit 4.9 forty, I can’t wait until he gets coached up and out on the field.
I am seriously worried that the NCAA is going to come ask for Arrington Jenkins birth certificate.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh and I'm afraid of Timmy Jernigan
and I’m on his side.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Greg Oden doesn’t see a problem with Arrington Jenkins…
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
A serious question
I wonder who the oldest looking Seminole was at the start of his freshman season?? I think that Jenkins has to at least be in the conversation.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't think of anyone that would challenge him for the title.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Sebastian maybe? Ernie sims was built like a 30 year old guy.
Nahhh… It’s Arrington
by FSU on Aug 8, 2011 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The birth certificate says "twins"
He ate the other one
Arrington Jenkins = Omar Little
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
by CornNole on Aug 8, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Damn he does look like omar little
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by norcal_nole on Aug 8, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
from where?
(old guy humor)
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe his wrists are to elite
and he is getting special gloves made.
by Noleforever9399 on Aug 8, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that settles that.
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Have we found our all-purpose successor
For Lonnie Pryor?
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RB Carries
Love the depth at RB we have.
I think another big factor that will play into any Frosh getting significant time (other than blitz pickup) is their ability to adapt to our zone running scheme (assuming they didn’t have that in HS).
Didn’t Jimbo’s LSU team that won the title lead the NCAA in rushing and didn’t have a guy over 500 or 600? I could see FSU leading the nation in rushing this year with the talent in the backfield, esp. with a QB who is a threat to run.
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by ricobert1 on Aug 8, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Can I share some "premium information" with you?
I believe O’Leary will win the starting job and Freeman plus JWJ will see carries this year.
I am also very excited about Coker coming in and possibly making some noise.
Ok, that was not Premium Information..I am a shill…I’m going to go give FSU2Times a tongue kiss and a back massage now.
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by DOT COM on Aug 8, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well lookie what we have here. Just like a vampire appearing only when the smell of virgin necks is in the air.
>------::----::------->Spearing 'em and Scalping 'em like it's 1999
I'm not so sure this Jimbo fella is the right man for the job.
JWJ
Bud, I was curious what the plan is for JWJ because he is an amazing athlete but what is his true fit? I mean, yes he could be a power back but from the depth we have at RB is there even a chance of being the every down back like Marcus Lattimore with his size? Or does he get moved to FB or even OLB? I watched him in high school and it looked like a bowling ball was knocking pins over in the middle of the field. But, it seems like Thompson has the obviouse edge. Also, I was curious about who you think could win the starting job in the future Jacob Coker or Jameis Winston? And does Coker have any wheels?
does coker have any wheels???
he played in a wing-T option offense and was a basketball point guard who can run and slam.
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by PeachTreeNole on Aug 8, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
lattimore wasn't the every down back in the chick fil-a bowl...
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every down till he got his brain scarmbled
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A future QB battle between Coker and Winston would be the equivalent of hot porn for all of us.
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Please don't mention two guys and "hot porn" EVER again.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
by devnole on Aug 8, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Duly noted.
Now that even sounds awkward for some reason.
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You leave me breathless!
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Look at the roster posted above
Those are some full grown assed men!!
JWJ
Thanks for the replies but nobody answered my questions about JWJ! :)
by FSU@UNF on Aug 8, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The number changes prompted me to look at the updated roster on seminoles.com
and I noticed that, along with a ton a walk-ons that were added just a week or so ago, Josh Gehres is no longer listed. Any word on if he’s transferring, Med DQ, or what?
Also noticed the absence of:
Tank Sessions
Blake Snider
Rhonne Sanderson
by geoffissiffoeg on Aug 8, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
no word on gehres yet
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Thought you lived in the northeast (New Hampshire, Iceland, somewhere)? Are you in Tallahassee? Don’t know why I thought that.
Well Im ready
Out of all these questions I think that most will be answered with a good note. Im not worried bout the offence other than the TE. I think there is to much talent across the field that Jimbo will find it and abuse it. Hes good at that. I hope that the TE and WR get on the right page fast because if they do OU might have a surprise or 2.
Now bout the D. the front 7. They are getting the size but is that going to be enough. There is so much talent there I hope it dont just go to waist.
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"There is too much talent there
I hope it doesn’t go to waist."
Is that a pun about good weight and % of body fat?
Just watched highlights of the aTm and MO games.
Both gashed OU up the middle with runs, and both DL’s stuffed runs and pressured Jones; as many here know. Jones has lead feet. Sure they’ve improved. But so have we, and our DL, and our OL has gotten bigger and stronger than any OU has faced. They have not faced all around team talent equal to ours, either.
Yes, Gabbard also burned them with passes to the middle. But those were the kind of throws EJ was making in the USCe game. In short, OU is nowhere near as invincible as the media and so many of their fans trolling our boards try to convince themselves.
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They still scored a hella lotta points on everyone but Neb.
I think 23 was their min. score in any game last year. So can our O put up 27-28 on this OU D?
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I like the run stuffing.
Our DL is deeper and bigger than last year, but doesn’t the OU QB take short drops on passing downs? We have to be better ready for that than last year, along with how fast their offense moves from play to play. I trust that will come with a better of Stoops defense.
JWJ again!
Bud, I was curious what the plan is for JWJ because he is an amazing athlete but what is his true fit? I mean, yes he could be a power back but from the depth we have at RB is there even a chance of being the every down back like Marcus Lattimore with his size? Or does he get moved to FB or even OLB? I watched him in high school and it looked like a bowling ball was knocking pins over in the middle of the field. But, it seems like Thompson has the obviouse edge.
by FSU@UNF on Aug 8, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nobody knows yet
This was literally his first day on the field for the Seminoles.
From how we’ve been recruiting, it looks like Jimbo wants to have a legitimate dual-RB attack, with JWJ the power back and Devonta the scat back.
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"In practice, there is."-Yogi Berra
Thank you.
I haven’t been able to watch a ton of film on Freeman but it sounds like we got ourselves our own version of thunder and lightning in the forecast. Plus throw in that Marvin bracy guy or whatever his name is that just committed that is the fastest man in the country. That’s a scary trio. How about thunder (JWJ), lightning (bracy
by FSU@UNF on Aug 8, 2011 9:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bracy is a WR
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And... Touchdown (Freeman)
No Canes allowed, lol.
Freeman
He is 190 pounds of twisted steel. He delights in the fact that after the first quarter, opponents no longer want to tackle.
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Cyclone, Typhoon, F5 Tornado...
The guy is a force of nature, but his star rating is far beyond that of a Cane!
Jacob Coker, body-wise, doesn't look like a freshman
By conversion, he’s approximately 1.93 Clint Trickets.
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Ben Rothlesberger minus the nonsense.
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More athletic than Ben, IMO.
And he’s gonna be a star QB at FSU…he’ll have nonsense hanging off his midsection if he’s not careful
Formerly known as Randall W. Spetman.
be fun to see him battle Winston
For starting duties if we get Winston to stay
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Where is DRusso
on possibly the most TSG day of the year.
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by ricobert1 on Aug 8, 2011 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jai Lai? LOL
Frank I am sorry
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